What's going on, everybody?

Hey, hey.

That is.

That is gonna stick, isn't it?

I'm just.

I said it one time and then when I didn't say it, they got upset when I was like, hey, hey.

I was like, where's your intro?

So, yeah, so I'm Derek.

I'm Dave.

And this handsome young gentleman to my left here is my father.

I'm the real Dave Racer.

The real Dave Racer.

Actually, I'm not the real Dave Racer.

His grandpa was the real Dave Racer.

There you go.

We're just poor imitations of him.

Glad to be here with you.

Sounds like an Eminem song.

Yep.

Third by first name, but only first by middle name.

My mom did not like his middle name.

She said, you're not carrying that on.

Gotcha, gotcha.

Cool.

Well, I mean, we're bringing you on here today to talk about politics to a degree.

Originally.

Yeah, originally I had reached out and I said, how do you feel about talking about separation of church and state?

What the political side of things is, how Christianity feeds into it.

Because you have an extensive background in both.

I do.

Christianity and politics.

I went to my first, we call them, precinct caucuses in Minnesota in 1978.

That was a time ago when my wife gave me permission to go, which she has sort of rued that day.

Ever since I've been an endorsed candidate for the legislature four times.

I've been a campaign manager for a governor candidate.

I've been a candidate for state treasurer.

I'm doing the Abe Lincoln thing.

I just keep losing.

But all the way along I've been able to consult with campaigns at all levels.

And in 1996, I was the national campaign manager for Allen Keys for president.

Was that when we got to go through and stuff a bunch of envelopes until the hours of the night?

Oh, that's right.

Yes.

We did an all nighter envelope stuffer.

That's part of politics, grassroots politics.

It's not really very exciting at the grassroots.

And 27 years ago, I started teaching a class called American Government for Real.

And in my first class I had my three youngest children, David, Daniel and Dawn.

And I will always say, well, David wasn't really that interested.

Dan sort of did.

And then there's Don.

So.

But later on, and this is kind of fun being a dad.

David's got children now and he's seeing what's going on around the country and around the world and here in our communities.

And he's a very concerned citizen for sure.

And that is, you know, if that's All I accomplish with my students, that's great.

But I've been doing that 27 years.

I lead a class called student senate, which is a very unique legislative experience.

Semester long legislative experience for high school students.

There's nothing like it in the country.

I've only had one student, Senator quit on me.

I won't say his name because he'll get embarrassed, but it wasn't his thing and that's okay.

I take responsibility for being your only dropout.

That's okay, that's okay.

But just to the end of that, Student senate picks four topics that they want to study every year and it's a new group every year and it's student led.

And this year they picked up some real light ones.

They picked immigration reform, Muslim brotherhood, also easy taxes and spending.

That one's difficult.

And abortion.

And abortion also an easy topic for

us to talk about on here.

They're in the midst of their semester now and it's just marvelous watching them grow up and learn how to work together and discuss tough issues, you know, and take testimony from people who are very strongly opinionated and come to a conclusion.

Yeah, it's been really interesting.

I've got a nine year old daughter who is going to a Christian school and there was some, some interesting things that, that perked up a little bit of a reaction in me.

That has happened recently.

They, they, they celebrated Black History Month.

Right.

And I've always looked at that as a negative political thing.

Not that we shouldn't celebrate black people in history, whatever, but just the way that it ends up being gone about a lot of times I don't appreciate that and I don't like it, especially because it becomes divisive.

And I was at the school for their celebration day of it where they brought in different foods and different things.

They had some presentations and the way they did it was just like I ended up, it brought tears to my eyes during the sermon that was given.

And it was just like he went back to like the real, like during, during slavery.

There was a, I cannot think of who the, who the person was, but there was a slave that wrote, he was an author of some sort that wrote about like, we should be basically echoing Paul's letter.

Yeah, right.

That, that hey, we should, we should be loving each other and there should be no, there should be no ill will towards each other.

I should hope to see my master in heaven, you know, all of that.

Yes.

It was just, it was so well done.

Like it brought tears to my eyes.

And so like it was one of those things that like, oh, that was a healthy reset, you know, so I'm, I'm seeing that with that.

I'm more, I'm getting more involved in some of that since, since having a nine year old now that's actually coming home and being like, yeah, my, you know, my friend is going who parents are going through a divorce or this and that.

And so like everything's very clued in now.

So, so yeah, read Uncle Tom's Cabin sometime in the original language that it was written.

And it is, it is a book about the gospel.

They had the slave.

Oh golly.

See, I don't remember the characters names, but this man was steadfast believer.

He was the pastor to the slaves and he got sold and he went through separation and so on and so forth, but always kept his faith.

He ministered to his master, ministered to everybody.

And then the little girl, Topsy Boy, when she dies and shares the gospel with the woman who owned her.

Oh my gosh, it's really moving.

And that book is one of the reasons we had a civil war in the United States.

So I do a little bit with books.

Sitting in front of you is book 64 that I've written.

Oh man, I've been telling people 52.

No, that's 64.

This is 61.

Dang man, that's wild.

These are my curriculum for teaching American government.

The course that David had 27 years ago has matured into two parts now.

It's called how we the people Designed our Government to work and how our government really Works.

And, and one of my legislative friends says it really should be how government doesn't work.

So one of the things that we're talking a lot about today, and this gets us into how.

Well, even discussing the whole woke thing, the words that you can say and you can't say, go back to Black History Month.

These things have a tendency to be well intentioned, but they also divide people.

Yes, sir, we elected the first black president who wasn't really that black.

But I'm sorry.

That's right.

We don't care here.

Mr. Obama, who there isn't probably a single thing about his policy that I agree with, but I cheered when he was elected.

You know, I managed the campaign of a black man, the first black Republican to run for president of the United States.

An incredibly intelligent, articulate man, you know, and, and my best teacher ever in ninth grade back in the dark ages about what is that, 1892 when I was in junior high school was a black man teaching in the inner City in St. Paul, teaching at ninth grade core class.

And he taught me two things.

He taught me to love education and to love the Constitution.

And I would say, how did that work out?

Right?

Yeah.

Anytime somebody talks about that, teaching the inner city, I think of the key and peel skit.

AA Ron Balake.

Don't test me.

It's been coming up a lot lately, actually.

Well, I'll tell you what.

Like, I am excited to see where this is going to go.

Obviously, you know, disclaimer of Come into this with a heart that's open to seeing what the Lord has to say, not with preconceived notions of what we're going to say or what side we're going to be on or anything like that.

Put that stuff aside for a moment and let's just try to see things through, through the lens of Jesus for a moment.

Yes, sir.

For this next hour or so.

And you know, you never know where things may go, but you also don't know where your heart may tug at you in the midst of a conversation.

That's a little difficult sometimes if you have differing opinions, for sure.

So stay tuned for that and welcome to the Truth response.

Sam,

Would you be willing to pray for us today?

I would love to.

All right.

Father God, in the name of our holy Savior Jesus and power of the Holy Spirit, by the authority of your word, we come together here around this table today to talk about life, human life interactions, how we get along, how we don't get along.

And we pray that your spirit would just fill all of us here so that we can have a discussion that would be useful for us and for any who might tune in and listen, maybe raise some questions that people need to think about.

Thank you for all this.

Thanks for bringing me here safely and for my son David and for Derek here.

In Jesus name, Amen.

Amen.

It was always fun at family dinners growing up, especially when my grandfather lived with us because my grandfather used to pray in the King James.

In the King James.

I was like, all right, everybody, bow your heads.

It's like, our Father thou hast cometh to us.

I'm like, oh, all of us are like dying.

And it was.

They had, they had Grandpa Racer at the kitchen table with them for about five years.

Yeah.

Can you imagine that?

That's pretty cool.

Yeah, he is a good guy.

Good old boy.

Yeah.

I scared him to death one day because I snuck down to it.

We had a basement that was converted into an apartment and he was living that way.

It was built that Way.

Okay, a duplex, right.

And so he was, he was living in the bottom at one point.

And I was.

I decided to sneak downstairs at like 2 o' clock in the morning to talk on the phone.

And I was sitting on his couch, and I sit, I see him get up in the dark.

I'm like, oh, no, what do I do?

I can't announce myself.

I'll scare him.

And he went and sat down.

His chair flipped on, light went, oh, my.

I'm just on your couch.

Sorry.

Well, one of the lessons of being an elder, by the way, I am not old.

I am an elder.

I'm in elderhood now.

That's what we call it.

Is that me too.

You wake up in the middle of the night and can't figure out why you're awake.

Right.

So here's a question for you.

So what is.

So starting back in.

So when I was in high school, the fact that, like, I didn't get my first cell phone until I was, I think, 17, and it was the big black Nokia with the green screen, we got to play Snake on it and stuff.

Now we've got text messages, video calls, Instagram, TikTok, all that kind of stuff.

So what's been the big difference, one of the biggest difference you've seen, with how the influence of American culture on that age bracket versus now?

Well, let me tell you what happens, David.

I walk into the classroom every week and I'll say, hey, what happened this week?

And Jude will look at me and he'll say, well, we played basketball and we had a couple good games.

And Peter will stare at me, oh, I shouldn't put names to this one.

And then this one, I'll say, and I'd say, you know, something happened in Iran.

Does anybody remember that?

And they'll give me a blank stare and see, I'm kind of weird.

I was interested in this stuff as early as nine years old.

But the point is, my students don't pay attention to real life.

The screen has become real life to them.

And I teach at an academy for homeschool students.

Probably 35, 40% come from Catholic homes and the rest from various forms of Protestantism, you know, the whole nine yards.

And they come from very conservative homes.

People love Jesus.

And yet our school, we passed a policy.

Now you can't have a cell phone with you.

Oh, good.

A smartphone during the day, which, actually, I don't like that.

And my students, I want them to challenge me, especially in student senate, so we allow them to do that there.

But I'M off track.

I teach a class called Contemporary Issues in the fall, and we go through transgenderism and sexism, racism and climatism.

All the isms.

But we have a lesson in media.

In fact, this book has three chapters on the media and its effect.

And I could write that with authority because of all the different things I've done as a talk host, radio host, and lots of TV interviews and this sort of thing.

And I had my own newspaper at one time, but it's so different now.

Because of what?

Because of everything.

Start with Donald Trump, the first campaign,

by the way.

That was before that.

I hadn't even thought, like.

Like, okay, so growing up, racist, hometown, whatever.

Didn't grow up around very many black people.

Couple.

But.

But in Hispanics, there were, like, two.

Like, it was it.

And they were both Mexican sisters, so it was one family.

And.

And so, like, I wasn't really exposed to any of that until college.

Yep.

And then after college, that was okay.

Like, nothing was different.

I just treated people like people because that's, you know, how I was raised.

And then when 2016 happened, Trump, the first round, it was like, it was the first time I ever thought, oh, I wonder if the person in the car next to me sees me different because of the color of my skin.

And that was the weirdest thing.

Or worse yet, you have a Trump sticker on your car.

I didn't do that.

Right.

Well, that and Covid and Trump 2 and Trump 3 have all been divisive in our churches.

They've been divisive in our culture.

Coming from Minnesota, or as I like to say, mini Soviet, where we have protesters out, you know, inhibiting the ICE officers from doing their job, throwing things at them and spitting on them and totally disrespecting law.

And we have a governor who says, go and fight, you know, and do more of that.

And we have a mayor who just.

I mean, he tells ICE to get out of our town.

It's lawlessness.

Sure.

And how did that.

We know.

Do you remember George Floyd?

George Floyd.

Death.

Yep.

Not murder.

I actually saw his autopsy two days after he died.

He died from a cardiac arrest, not from anything a police officer did to him.

But I'm sorry to say that.

Although at the same time, like, I think that there was excessive force used in the midst of that.

Well, there actually wasn't.

There wasn't.

No, no, I thought it was.

Yeah, of course you did, because here's what happened.

And it's in the book.

It's in this book.

Okay.

I start with the young girl who's standing on the sidewalk when all this stuff starts going down.

She didn't record him coming out of, him getting out of the car where he was hopping drugs.

She didn't record him standing by the store.

She was getting all this stuff that was going on down here and they were trying to get him in the car.

And I'm off on a tangent, but that video went viral and millions and millions and millions of people saw it within two days around the world.

And Derek Chauvin's life was destroyed.

Sure.

And people saw things that were there, but they weren't there.

Okay.

And when you start, when you look at the police video, for instance, that the officers were wearing and it took seven months for that to be released, you see a little.

Which was kind of ridiculous, you see

a little different picture, but that had to do with extreme racism.

And here, if you really want to talk about where we are now, it was almost as if, and I lived in the middle of this in Minnesota.

It was almost as if they were waiting for a chance to make a martyr out of somebody.

Sure.

And when you see the mayor of Minneapolis kneeling at the casket, the gold casket, mind you, of George Floyd weeping, it's like something ain't right here.

Sure.

And I've never disputed the fact that like I've always thought, you know, of course, drug, drug related death, I mean, it was obvious there and he should have never been like celebrated.

He wasn't, he wasn't a good person.

Like that wasn't.

But I, I don't know, man.

Like I, I see death is unfortunate videos too.

And I don't know, like, I think there was a little, there was maybe a little too much.

So the, the classic is of course Derek Chauvin's knee on his neck.

Except it wasn't on his neck, it was on his upper back.

And it was exactly how he was trained to do it.

Right.

So that's it too.

My, my late father in law was a corporal up in Port Charlotte.

And so he has talked extensively about the procedures and how some people from the outside look at that and go, oh my gosh, you're being, it's like, no, this is what we have to do to get them to stop.

Like there are certain measures that have to be taken to a degree.

They're trained to never go past those degrees.

But, well, and this is the thing with the ice detentions, individuals.

I don't know if David ever met my friend ron.

Ron was 6 foot 6 at about

290 he sounds familiar.

And he would get in trouble.

And a friend of mine, police officer, said, would you get Ron to move out of our city, please?

It takes eight men to take him down.

When you don't want to be arrested, you know, it isn't, please.

It's like on the ground.

We're on top of you.

Okay.

Boy, talk about get off on a tangent.

I wanted to go back to.

Back to the Trump thing, because this really plays into the discussion that I think would be really useful.

Well, I think whatever you want to do is useful.

And that's the whole idea of Christian Americans rallying around this man who has moral defects.

Sure.

As if we were hiring a pastor, not a president.

But anyway, there was definitely a surge of interest by people of faith.

The evangelical community for decades has been really terrible about turning out to vote.

And so this term surfaced Christian nationalism.

And one of the guest speakers in our pulpit one day used it in a very pejorative way.

Got my dander up.

Got my dander up.

I have dander.

So I talked with our pastor and I said, I'm not going to say anything about it here.

This is the point.

And this is what.

When you're talking about your point of view, even about not growing up with blacks or minorities, we have a point of view, and our points of view are manipulated today in a way unlike any time in history.

And part of it is due to that tablet and the story that you're being told.

So the history of that term, I take it all the way back to the start of our country.

And this is what is in the first part of this book, is about the Christian foundations of our nation and the whole concept.

Not that I could argue with someone.

We were founded as a Christian nation.

We were not founded as a Christian nation.

I don't say that.

I say we were founded as a nation with a Christian worldview.

It was common.

And the people of that day all bought into it to the extent that they were expected to be in church on Sunday.

And if they weren't, there's a guy that went around and tapped him on the head and said, come on, get to church.

I mean, people went to church.

They lived in a way that respected the gospel, that respected the Ten Commandments, and that was expected.

Even John Adams, who was not the most religious fellow, he said, our Constitution is fit only for moral and religious people.

That's on the back of this book.

I talk about that a lot.

You know, Thomas Jefferson, who is supposed to be one of the most irreligious of our fathers talks about Jesus and bringing him to the savages, bringing our Savior.

That was his words, to the savages, and so on.

And why would they say that?

You could say, well, they're just politicians.

Well, yeah, they are.

And guess what?

That's what the people expected of their politicians.

So if you want to talk about Christian nationalism, you can look at the founding of the nation.

I get in trouble for saying that, by the way.

But that followed a great awakening.

And each time there's a great awakening, there's been four of them.

And I think we may be in another one right now.

After the execution of Charlie Kirk, the Christian momentum starts to engage again and get involved in culture and politics.

We used to say, Derek, I am an elder fellow, the way we've let this country go in terms of culture, why isn't God punishing us?

I've heard that.

Yeah, maybe he is.

Well, sometimes God allows you to have what you're asking for to your own detriment.

Just like, oh, man, I got it back to Saul.

Right.

And that's all.

Yeah, King Saul.

I'm sorry.

Go ahead.

That's all right.

No, what did Saul do?

Oh, just like how basically all the people said, we want a king.

And God's like, no, you don't.

And they're like, yes, we do.

He's like, fine, have a king.

And they're like, we hate the king.

I told you.

It's like I tried to stop you.

Yeah.

I wrote a book on Romans 13:1 through 8 or 7, whichever it is.

Forget now on authority in America and what makes our country so different.

And I'll get back to the Christian national thing here in a minute.

What makes our country so different is the first three words of our Constitution.

We the people.

The authority in the United States is we the people.

We are sovereign.

The president's not sovereign.

Governor's not sovereign.

Your mayor isn't.

We are.

And I think that God allowed us to establish a nation based on the Christian foundations that are founders trusted in.

By the way, there's an 1892 court decision in which the Supreme Court said we were founded as a Christian nation.

So argue with them.

Don't argue with me.

You know, I don't use that terminology, but there has been this increase of Christian activism in government.

My parents were hands off.

You know, they were at church every night of the week, and so was I.

And that's what we did.

And we didn't get engaged in politics.

Politics was dirty.

And then some of us younger people, I'M a Vietnam era veteran.

I was in the military during Vietnam, but I didn't serve in Vietnam.

And we went through the anti war movement, we went through the radical feminization movement, you know, the destruction of the nuclear family, we went through the war on poverty, the creation of Medicare and Medicaid.

So now we get everybody on government programs and everything has changed so much in my lifetime.

Once in a while something wakes us up.

Roe v. Wade, the decision to legalize abortion that has been overturned now was the bell that rang and Christians started to come together.

And in the early 80s, Christian input in the Republican Party took it over and we were called a religious right and that was a pejorative.

And so.

And then what happens is you get into power and I, I don't know, sometimes it's like a church you get into, you have a position and now you defend your position instead of the gospel.

Yep.

That was probably not fair, but.

No, I mean that happens all the time in the church.

Right.

Like tradition.

Tradition is king in the church.

It happened in Jesus anymore.

So the people that got involved at first for all the right reasons, then they didn't want to give up their position.

So it got about, we've got to win regardless of the candidate.

So now we're going compromise on candidates.

That's the nature of man.

I think we want to win, we don't want to lose.

You know, in politics you're in it to win.

That's what it's about.

Yep.

Although for some of us it isn't.

It's about the message.

So I'll ask this then as a semi follow up.

So we talk about the difference obviously in media's influence to my generation, when I was 15, 14, 15, 16 versus now from what we're seeing, obviously everything is think of a rudder on a ship.

It's a slow move in one direction.

I had a, I shared this yesterday or on the last podcast.

There was a youth pastor I was talking to and he said he was sitting there scrolling through his phone on Instagram and he wound up seeing this ad or not ad or an article stating that the, the government's trying to push for saying that you can abort a baby up to three months after birth.

Right.

And he said he was so offended, like, oh my gosh.

But his immediate thought after that was not even two weeks earlier.

He read an article about nine months.

You can import them up to nine months.

And that didn't bother him as much.

And he goes, oh my gosh, I've been slowly Moved to desensitization.

So have we seen a dramatic increase in desensitization because of how much we're being fed versus, like, my generation that, like, I mean, at 15, 16, I spent all my time playing outside.

It's like, yeah, yes, it was a good thing that you played outside.

Actually.

Our house was a magnet for all the homeschool kids.

I would come home after a day's work and I'd find tennis shoes all over the place and no place for me to sit because it was full of kids.

And I love it.

I miss it so much.

Yeah, David, that's part of what happened in the late 60s, without getting really deep in the weeds.

There was a planned attack, if you will, against the United States to change its morals.

And that had to be done.

I mean, this is what, you know, our Christian foundation and our Republic, not our democracy, is built on this.

And the only way to stop that, especially if you're a Marxist, is to break those foundations.

Yep.

And those things started when Roe v. Wade was passed.

Not passed, that's wrong.

Decided by the Supreme Court.

The debate on abortion was all.

It was going on everywhere.

And we were having a political discussion about it.

But then people can talk, both sides.

Once the court said, Roe v. Wade, abortion is legal, then you don't have that discussion anymore.

Right.

It is all of a sudden, oh, no, no.

We have Roe.

Roe v. Wade.

And what does that mean?

So we settled.

We as a country settled on abortion.

This was.

Bill Clinton should be legal, but rare and safe.

And today the Republicans who are trying to regain that argument, that's where they are.

Legal, safe, but rare.

Not killing a baby.

Sure.

And that is a huge.

That's a huge move, David.

I mean, to win elections that you have to do that one party.

If you're not, they'll say pro choice, you don't get endorsed in the Republican Party.

Essentially, if you're not pro life, you don't get endorsed.

But now they nuance it.

Yeah.

But back to Christian nationalism.

It all plays in, man.

It all plays in.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think what happens is there was a.

With the Tea party movement in 2010, when everyday people, you know, from all over the political spectrum got fed up with the big, big government, and they started a rally, and it was a patriotic rally, taking back, you know, like the Boston Tea Party thing, that kind of a deal.

And that triggered a political organizational effort by Republicans who tried to take that movement over.

But that morphed into, I think, what is a resurgence of Christian activism.

And then you had a lot of people out there feeding that, and Charlie Kirk certainly was one of them.

Magnificent job he did for such a young man.

I was very jealous of him, actually, because I wanted to do what he was doing.

And I was old, he was young, but praise God for him.

And so this is a long way of getting to what I'm trying to say.

Christian nationalism is a political term.

It's a pejorative term used by the left to put us in a box.

If you're part of that movement, you're your enemy.

Now, you're a white supremacist, you're a white Christian.

I mean, what do you know about governing?

What do you know about compassion?

You know, you're not compassionate on us.

And so I get my dander up whenever I hear that term used as a.

As a fact.

I understand politics and I understand words.

Yeah, I heard a lot right after I started being able to vote.

I heard, oh, no, you can't.

You can't legislate moral morality.

And you can't, you know, you have to separate your religious beliefs from your voting.

And it's like, I don't understand how that's even possible.

Like, how do I.

How do I, like, oh, yeah, I'm just gonna disregard all of my beliefs to go vote.

Like, no, my beliefs are who I am, man.

Like, that's like, I don't know that.

That was weird.

I was always taught, vote your morals.

I was like, basically, who are you gonna pick?

They're gonna line up with what you believe, which are your morals.

Now, this wasn't like, this wasn't like my family.

It was just, you know, because I was in college at that point, you know.

Well, it doesn't surprise me.

What?

College people are crazy.

No, I'm just kidding.

Was he questioning?

I don't know.

So let's deal with that argument for a minute.

You can't impose your morals on anybody else.

In 2023, in the state of Minnesota, we had reelected a Democrat governor, Tim Walsh, and we elected a Democrat House and a Democrat Senate.

Now, when I say that the margin in The Senate was 34 to 33, okay, real close, which usually means a lot of compromises.

The House was a four vote margin or five vote margin.

There was one in Minnesota, we call them DFLers, by the way.

But there was one who is pretty conservative.

One.

Literally one.

And they passed House file one, which is the most extreme abortion law in the country.

And there was nothing that Republicans could do to stop that bill.

Zero.

I watched the debate 15 hours.

I didn't watch all of it, but on the floor, Republicans offered 64amendments.

Like, a baby is born alive, protected.

Don't you know, mothers.

Pregnant women who are under 18 should have permission of their parents.

Nope.

Pregnant woman should have informed consent before she undergoes abortion.

Nope.

Just one after another.

Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam.

Now, you talk about imposing morals when we say that it's okay to take a baby out of a mother's womb in some of the brutal ways it's done right up to the moment of birth.

And that's not a child.

Now, let me.

Let me play a little bit of devil's advocate.

Sure.

Just to get the other side out there, too.

One might also say that all of those things are restrictive versus what so far you've said has been just a removing of restrictions off of things.

So, like, that's not really pushing, I would say.

Not me.

The argument could be had that, like, it's not really putting my morals on you, it's just removing your morals from

me, which is the same thing, actually.

I noticed that there were speed limit signs out here in Florida.

There are in Minnesota, too, by the way.

No kidding.

Somebody decides we don't use those signs.

Somebody decides that 30 is the max.

Even though I individual liberty person, I want to drive 40. Who has the right to tell me how fast I can drive?

Who has the right to tell me that I can't marry a girl younger than 16?

You know, and those are restrictive things.

Those are restrictive things.

We're talking about removing restrictions, though.

I mean, so, like, if you're saying abortion is legal.

Mm.

That removes the restriction from.

You don't have to.

Right.

Like, that's the argument.

Right.

Is that.

Yeah.

You don't.

You don't have to choose to have an abortion.

So if you're.

If your morality says that you shouldn't, then you have the right to not.

But then the other side, you know, where.

If.

If they.

If they believe that they want to have it, they.

They then have the right because the restriction is gone.

So how is that actually pressing their morality onto us if they're just removing the restriction?

I would understand if it was like, you should have an abortion in these circumstances.

Now, that's different.

But removing the restriction, how is that?

I think one of the big differences is you can find in the Ten Commandments, thou shalt not kill, which is a moral decision, a moral imperative, actually, in Psalm 139, where it talks about God creating and knowing you in the womb even before you were Conceived.

And knowing your days at your conception is all very much a moral statement and a society that protects human life, which is the gist of the Declaration of Independence, which, by the way, is also early in my teaching.

We've been created with certain unalienable rights.

And the first one we talk about is life.

If you say life has no value because to you that baby conceived just a bunch of cells, it's not a human.

We can prove scientifically, it's a human.

And so the decision is that will we let a human.

Will we protect human life or will we not?

And if you look at, and I have sympathy for women, it's a high percentage in your church even who have gone through this, this procedure.

And, you know, I'm sorry, it still is a fact that we have created a human being and a human being no longer has a life.

And that is a moral decision by someone, the legislature.

Oh, golly, here we can get into the whole purpose of law.

What is law?

Oh, boy, here we go.

Law is when we have a moral consensus that is up at a high level.

Our laws are made at that highest ethical level.

What we agree on as how we're going to live.

When we have laws that we have today, which are partly because we have thought that we're a democracy acting like it, we adopt the lowest common denominator, you know, what can we get consensus around without affecting too many people that don't like us.

Or since we have a 3435, three, you know, margin in the Senate, we'll just pass it anyway.

And so you end up with enforcing your morals on someone else in the Minnesota human rights statute.

Now it protects lbgtq, lbgtbq, whatever.

And they have like five different versions of it, and non binary and two spirit.

And those terms are legal terms in our state laws in Minnesota under our human rights statutes.

See, to me, you're born with human rights.

Those rights come from God.

That's what our declaration teaches us.

And God created us with the right to liberty, the right to life, the right to pursue happiness, which was actually meant pursuing virtue.

To the founders, there were so many they could have listed.

Virtue is something that we don't talk about very often.

And I think it's an important thing to distinguish what that is.

When I was in college, the way that it was taught to me was that virtue is doing the right thing in the right way at the right time for the right reason.

And that's a lot.

That is a lot to be virtuous.

It takes Very intentional actions.

That's a moral equation there.

Right.

That is a moral decision.

What is right in this moment, in this time?

Another thing, boy, I'm now segueing to something totally different.

Are we done with this?

Just go wherever you go, man, whatever you feel.

Because we were even talking about in the last message that Pastor Omar gave a victory, he was talking about discernment and how discernment is not figuring out the difference between right and wrong, but the difference between right and close to right.

Something that looks right but isn't right.

And that's where discernment actually comes in.

Yeah, actually it can be true.

Two things can be true at the same time that appear to be untrue.

I'm talking with one of my former student senators who's now a police officer, Suburban in Minnesota.

And he was talking to me about the shooting of Renee Good.

The young woman who was shot looked like she was driving her car into Officer Ross.

And Officer Ross is a friend of his, and he was telling me about what he's going through and all this.

And he says, you know, two things can be true.

You know, ICE has a job to do and they have a right to protest.

And that is all true.

And we can't deny that.

You know, but you cross a line, a moral line, when you start to obstruct or you put each other in jeopardy.

And that's going to happen anyway.

It's definitely going to happen.

But two things can be true at the same time.

David, I don't know if I've talked to you a lot about my atheist friend, my psychiatrist friend.

No, he's just made a big difference in my life.

I've known him, he's 86 now, and we have talked many talks about faith and life.

And he's just decided there is no God that he has to answer to.

He's into Buddhism and other things.

And yet what he's taught me is to look at others points of view, to look at this whole, you know, you can't ignore the young girl who gets pregnant, even, you know, in a mutually agreed upon situation, much less, you know, rape or some of the other things that happen.

You can't just discharge a young woman who, under the influence of our tablets, decides that she's a man and wants to go through this procedure that will destroy her life or a guy who will do this.

You don't just dismiss them.

You look at from their perspective and then deal with it.

Of course, he had to do that in his practice all the time.

He Couldn't be judgmental about their behavior.

I had to try to fix them enough to cope with life, you know?

And so I can look at the dilemma that the young girl faces.

But I also need to be clear.

One of our pastors once said, a little mist in the pulpit is a fog in the pew.

And when it comes to our laws, our laws should be clear, and they're not.

They're very complex and very, very hard to understand.

But they're definitely based on someone's moral and moral belief how to spend our tax money.

You know, in Minnesota, we spend.

Do you want me to get really specific?

Minnesota, we have massive fraud going on in our Medicaid programs.

Wonderful.

And we have.

I mean, massive.

9 billion.

18 billion or more.

True.

Actually, I'm working on a white paper now that will expose about 40 billion in Medicaid fraud in Minnesota.

And this is going on everywhere.

And this is because Minnesota has this heart for people.

It comes from our background as a.

Actually, the state was mostly German Catholic, but a lot of Scandinavians come into the state, and we want to take care of people.

We don't want anybody to suffer.

That's where I get it from.

Nobody's allowed to suffer.

Well, inherently, there's nothing wrong with that.

Nothing wrong with that.

It's a matter of who does it.

Does the church do it or does government do it, and government will step in and fill the void.

Former governor Arne Carlson, who is anything but a conservative, one time he said, if all the churches and synagogues in the state of Minnesota would just take one family on, just one family, we could solve this welfare problem.

And I remind him of that still.

He's about 88.

He doesn't like my politics, but.

And he was the one who actually engineered the passing of the human rights statute in Minnesota that accepted sexual orientation.

Sexual orientation, by the way, even that was a term.

And my first campaign was repealing a sexual orientation ordinance in St. Paul.

And we won in the late 70s.

In the late 70s, yes.

The term was.

I don't know if you remember Mike Manning.

I've talked about him.

He was a state senator involved in that and several Baptist preachers.

And the term they used was sexual preference.

Just let that play a little bit.

When you think about laws, what's the difference between sexual preference and sexual orientation in the law?

What does that say to you?

I'm asking you now.

That's one I'm not prepared to answer.

I guess.

I don't know.

It's a.

What's the difference?

Between a preference and an orientation.

Orientation.

Yeah, orientation.

Isn't that really a preference?

Isn't that a mindset?

Like a.

To a degree, I would almost say that it's obviously preference is preference.

Today I feel like this.

And then orientation is.

I feel like I am this way.

I lean this way versus I want to be this way, maybe.

Could be.

So sexual preference means this is what I want.

I've chosen this.

Orientation is.

This is how I am.

Yep, Makes sense.

And all they did was change one word, and that was acceptable then to the public, and you couldn't argue against it.

My argument then was homosexuals have civil rights in America.

There's nothing in our Constitution that prohibits a homosexual from being a homosexual.

There might be in the state of Minnesota.

Probably not in Minnesota.

Might be in the state of North Dakota or Wyoming or, you know, Florida maybe in those days.

I'm talking about 60 years ago now.

But that's what happens.

Wow, this conversation is going all over the place.

That's what happens with language.

In Minnesota, they don't define abortion as a woman who terminates a pregnancy.

It's a person who terminates a pregnancy that is in our law, a person.

So think about that.

So with all this that's been said, how do we.

What.

What can we do to start shifting this the other direction?

Well, I think the whole idea of revival of the gospel is where we start.

And, you know, again, back to the tragedy of the assassination of Charlie Kirk, it certainly did trigger a renewed interest in younger people in spiritual issues looking for answers.

Can we keep their attention?

You know, David, you bring up social media, how long, you know, the parable of the sower, and some falls on shallow ground, some among weeds and so forth.

And how much of this is really falling on fertile ground where it'll take hold in 20 years from now?

Especially being curated, right?

Like, especially with everything being curated on any social media, anything.

Like they are taking things that you might be interested in and targeting you with them, of course, instead of, like, just you to discover new things across the board, you know, like, so it's.

It's being very curated, even.

So we'll take the immigration argument.

I have, oh, I don't know, maybe 400 students that have gone through student senate, and I love every one of them, even though I can't remember most of their names, but there's a few that I really stay in touch with.

And I am absolutely astonished at how their whole attitude about what's going on in Minnesota is so far different from what I understand or What I know I shouldn't say.

Understand what I know.

And it's, you know, government is horrible and rotten and dirty and they're beating up people and they're, you know, they're doing this and doing that.

And you know what?

They are a little bit of that.

And yet they want the government to then turn around and save them, though.

Of course.

Yeah, I know.

And, you know, they're humans.

We should give them food, clothing, shelter and everything.

Well, yeah, let's see if we can get the church together on that one.

I would like our church to open a health clinic.

Actually, I've been saying that about 20 years now.

But you're not.

That'd be cool, though.

I know.

I know several people personally who.

I know one person specifically who was upset.

I think it was during the Obama administration when she was laid off.

And they had cut the.

Oh, gosh.

Cut the.

What is it when you get hurt on the job and then you get workers compensation?

They had cut the workers compensation to 99 weeks.

And I remember she was so upset, just being like, oh, my gosh, I'm gonna lose my workers comp.

And I'm like, it's been 99 weeks.

This is where you get a job.

It's like, you know, but that's it.

It's like if a lot of people I've seen who have found this.

This little loophole where they're like, if I stay in this little pocket and I'm not making very much money, the government's just going to keep taking care of me and I don't have to go out and make it on my own.

I'll just sit here in my own filth for a little while and I'll be just fine.

Yeah.

When the latest round.

Oh, okay.

This goes back a year ago now.

It wasn't that long ago.

Actually, it was last year when the Democrats in Congress shut government down for how many days?

43 days or something like that.

Too long.

And there were certain payments that weren't coming through.

Ridiculous.

I remember a person who's close to both of us saying, what am I going to do?

Where am I going to get my food?

And I said, you're an adult.

Right.

There's a lot of places to get food.

Food.

And actually, if you had a job, it would be helpful.

It would.

And.

And I would see these people talking about the government programs that are not getting funded and they're wringing their hands and how are we going to survive?

And listen, I'm not saying we should cut People loose and let them lay in their filth.

And we didn't even do that with slavery.

Right.

Like, we didn't just like, no, okay.

All slaves are now to not be working on the plantation.

I mean, things have to, if we're going to change things, it has to be a gradual thing.

Over time, some things can be cut off.

Right.

But, but most things like that, like we couldn't just stop giving people things.

We have to gradually do it to where it's, it's sustainable for them.

Because it would be more hurtful to just be like, yeah, you know, like.

And that goes to.

There are two major things that you have taught me in my life.

The very first one, only two.

Oh man, that's a major, major that I ref.

That I refer back to often.

One is.

So you owned a branch of Servicemaster for a little while.

Yep.

And you referenced a three story house fire where you walked in and you saw soot.

Floor to ceiling, all of the ceilings, corners and everything.

And you felt an overwhelming feeling of dread.

How am I gonna get this done?

And you had this realization where you said, the only way to get this done is to pick a.

And just start cleaning.

Yep.

And then before you know you're gonna be done.

And that's, that's what it is.

I taught that to my, my, all of my employees.

They'd walk into these houses, they're just full of soot.

What are we gonna do?

Go start over there.

Start over there.

Three days later we'll be going out the door.

And that's, that's a good lesson for anybody that's listening.

That's like, I don't know, I can't be.

I can't come to Jesus until I'm perfect.

You know that idea.

And so like.

But the way I generally describe it is very much that, like, you can't, you don't clean the whole house at the same time either.

Yep.

You clean one thing up at a time.

You have to, you can only pick up one, you know, so much at a time.

And then, and so like whenever we talked about, we talked about homosexuality a couple weeks ago and when we did like that, that's one.

That's a big one.

Right.

So like people will say, well, they're living in sin, they can't be a Christian, they're not going to heaven.

And it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Like it's a process.

You clean up your house little by little as Jesus directs us to.

Yeah, right.

And so that's something for anybody that's out there.

Like, you don't have to be perfect.

You don't have to fix anything.

Just come to Jesus and let him show you what the thing you're gonna pick up first is.

Yeah, I want to know the other thing.

The other thing.

Okay, so here's the.

Here's the thing.

And so Derek's only known me from the networking group, so standing up in front of people.

And the podcast.

And the podcast.

And he still invites you back.

Right.

So if you can believe this, growing up, all the way through being 18 years old, I had one friend in high school, and that was it.

I was the kid who sat in the back of the class.

I was dead quiet.

I wouldn't talk to anybody.

I was terrified of people.

Right.

And I remember one time, very specific, we went to.

There was something.

It was probably one of the government class.

I remember going to the Capitol, and there was a new kid that was with us.

And we walked in and you said, hey, he doesn't talk to any people.

I need you to go talk to him and be his friend.

And I went, okay.

And I remember, like, from then, it was like, I have now developed this ability to just walk up to anybody.

I don't know.

It's like this person.

I'm just gonna say, hi.

And now we're friends.

My dad did that to me too, probably.

I was 12, and I was.

I don't wanna talk to him.

See, I'm gonna hear your son talk.

I'm the complete opposite of y'.

All.

I'm the complete opposite of y'.

All.

In fact, I have gotten.

Have gotten more reclusive as I've gotten older, but.

Which.

I fight it.

I fight it.

But I'm one of those people that I'm just.

I'm aggressively friendly at times.

And I don't mean, like, nice or kind.

I mean, like, when I meet somebody, sometimes I want too badly to then implant myself in their life.

Sure.

And be their friend and do things and talk.

And it's just like, I have that immediate switch that I'm just like, ah.

So.

So you asked the question, what do we do?

You know, I think, boy, I don't have an answer.

For Pete's sake, you pick a corner.

Everybody takes my course.

Read my books, you know, teach your children.

I've been told, and you all have more interaction with teens than I do.

I've been told that the sexual promiscuity is going down in that generation.

Meaning, like, it's getting better or it's getting worse.

It's Less promiscuity.

Less.

But also in other generations,

it'd be kind of hard to.

I don't know there.

But, you know, teaching our children to be chaste.

There's nothing wrong with that.

Sure.

Yeah.

And putting off that encounter until marriage, which is not easy to do, that is obeying law, respecting law.

Re.

Establishing the value of law, passing laws that are more, well, realistic.

Cool.

I've written 24 books on health care.

You want to talk about that?

Does everybody have a civil right to health care?

Want to talk about a moral dilemma?

Oh, dear.

Under our federal law, anybody can go into an emergency room and they must take care of them.

So they can pay or not pay, and a lot of them don't pay.

And that creates a problem for that hospital.

Oh, golly.

Don't go down this road.

We have to do another three segments

on healthcare, believe me.

We just did a book called Entering the Golden Age of US Healthcare, and it's about reassembling, establishing the doctor patient relationship and blowing up the corporations that dominate healthcare today.

And tell doctors out of practice.

Sure.

And we could do that one another time.

Well, I even recently had a nurse who's a friend of mine who was talking about how everyone looks at an ER and said, this is where I go to get completely fixed.

And she's like, no, they're actually there to patch you up and send you back to your primary physician.

And I went, I haven't had a primary physician since I was 12.

I haven't been to the doctor in 20 some odd years.

Well, David, I should probably go.

Do you remember my Christmas Eve present when I was 65?

I had a brain bleed.

I had been healthy most of my life, and all of a sudden you turned 65 and your brain goes.

And now my.

Why am I telling this story now?

I've had cancer.

I have kidney disease.

I've had.

They call it a stroke and hypertension.

So my doctor told me about the cancer that.

Do you have boys?

I said, yes.

They said, well, your boys will have this someday too.

So there you are.

Yay.

Thank you.

I hand down all sorts of wonderful things to you.

Well, that's not.

I mean, that's not a terrible, like, conversation piece, though.

Like.

No, we.

When we.

When we're talking about all of this stuff, whether it's cancer.

Yep.

Whether it's the doctor's promise of cancer for your children.

Right.

Whether it's.

Everyone should have health care.

Nobody should have health care.

Everybody should have free whatever.

And, you know, everybody should work hard like how do we as Christians approach any of these semi divisive things the proper way, without, I guess, without causing conflict?

Let's go back to the beginning.

Like creation.

Yeah, okay.

Oh, I had that.

Come on.

In the beginning, God created.

Oh, no.

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.

That's the split.

But he said, let us create man in our own image.

And we Protestants, Christians will think about Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

God is Spirit, Christ and sending the Holy Spirit and all of this.

But I teach from the perspective of Jewish rabbi who spoke about this, because it's so beautiful, because he wasn't talking about Messiah.

Right?

I mean, he's not a completed Jew.

He hasn't come to Christ yet.

Or maybe he has, I don't know.

But God created us with infinite value, equal and unique, every one of us.

So everybody has value in God's eyes.

Our president made a statement not too long ago, or your president, depending on where you look at Donald Trump, that Somalians are garbage.

That's because our fraud in Minnesota is primarily in the Somalian community.

And it's incredible.

It's billions of dollars, Billions of dollars.

And he made that statement.

And I went on my Facebook post where I shouldn't be, and I said, no, Somalians are not garbage.

God created us all.

And he doesn't create garbage.

We make garbage out of his world.

So I think start off understanding the value of every human being.

Jesus Christ came to die for everyone.

Everyone doesn't get there.

We know this.

I have really been taken the last few years by an argument that started with this, God is love.

If that's all I knew, God is love.

How would that affect my life?

And when I would ask people, I might ask you, it becomes transactional.

Well, yeah, he did this for me and he did this for me and he did this for me.

No, that's transactional.

I'm just saying this is God's character.

God is love.

What does that mean?

And try to get your arms around that.

Well, then the second one was, do you love God?

Boy, oh boy, do I love God.

Yeah, I love God.

Okay, I say I love God.

What does that mean?

In my life, I had to make some major changes.

I really had to confront some things that were really a problem for me.

Well, even if you go into First Corinthians 13, right.

If you just take that simply as the definition of love, the very first one, love is patient.

Are you patient with God?

No.

Or anybody else around you hurry up

and give me what I want.

Just in the one right?

Like, are you patient with God?

We're going to go up 23rd street later.

Let's test that.

Never pray for patience.

I try to practice it.

So here's the third leap for me.

And this is not really a leap because it's what I believed for a long time.

My life verse is Philippians 2:5.

Let this mind be anew, which was also in Christ Jesus.

And when you think that through all that he was and became, do you have that same attitude?

But okay, I just lost it.

Galatians 2:20.

For I've been crucified with Christ.

I've been crucified with Christ.

My sins are nailed to the cross.

They're no more.

Now I live in Christ.

That's the actor.

I've been crucified with Christ.

No longer.

I live he who lives within me, and I live my life for Him.

In Him.

My body is the Spirit, the temple of the Holy Spirit.

I am alive in Christ.

My sins are forgiven.

Wow.

And to go from God is love to that.

I've been on this now for about a year and a half.

I'm 78 and a half years old.

So let me tell you young people something.

Life is about learning.

And the more you learn, the more you learn that you need to be learning.

So you need to be learning.

And then when you get to be an elder, you discover that all the things you know, you don't know enough, and you need to know more.

And the more you know, the more you know you don't know.

Do you think that's an absolute fact?

Yeah.

I know we need to wrap up, but I have a question.

Do you think that our.

Our access to go back to grandpa's generation, where he literally had to go to a library, pull out a book, read through the book to get to the one point he was looking for, and then go to the next one.

We can find all that information in a fraction of a second.

Do you think the access to information has hindered us?

Whoa.

That was God interventing.

Has hindered us.

Like we have so much.

I actually been talking about this in our young adults.

Is going back to the verse about polishing the inside of the cup and talking about how the inside of the cup is your heart posture.

And if your heart posture isn't ready, you're not ready to receive all the information you've just downloaded and you have no idea what to do with it.

Now if you have no discernment for all that you've downloaded, you get overwhelmed.

I get overwhelmed.

David I really do.

I mean, he knows my mind doesn't stop.

One of the things I think that's different from others in my life is I see threads, I see how things connect.

You know, you want to talk about World Economic Forum and how that affects you today and what's going on in Florida, that's different.

You know, it's like.

And to settle my mind down and then go into, you know, copilot or chatgpt, I'm trying to fact check something, and that's the way I use it.

I don't ever write with it.

I'm just telling you that I've written 3 million words, never once from AI.

But I fact check a lot.

And then I get distracted, of course, you know, and I'm looking for this piece, but.

Oh, that's really interesting.

And then you go down a rabbit

hole, and then I'm over there, and then I'm over there, and then I'm over there.

Now I'm way off, and I get nothing done.

So I think there's a real danger.

And it's kind of creepy how it learns who you are and starts to answer the way it thinks you want to answer.

Yeah.

Why'd you bring that up?

I didn't bring up AI.

You brought it up.

Oh, I brought it up.

I thought that's what you were talking about.

No, I was just talking about how our immediate access to all this information is hindering us because now we have so much information, we can't physically process it.

Kind of like how the human body can't process too much milk.

You drink too much milk and your body will automatically throw it back up because it can't handle it.

In the same way you put this much information into your head, like go and listen to a sermon, you retain what, 3% of it?

Unless you're actually taking notes and you can go back and go, oh, right, that's what he said.

Which I do.

And I still don't retain it.

Just real quick, because here's education, what you learn, how we the people, design our government to work.

This is the basics.

And it starts with Christian worldview and the Declaration, and then it gets into enumerated powers and all the things that we should know about our government and then how our government really works.

Because this is how it's supposed to work.

This is how it really works.

So we educate ourselves.

And I don't have a corner on this.

I'm talking now about the political realm, and certainly in the spiritual realm.

I don't have a corner on all the knowledge that's out there.

And there's an awful lot, but you gotta take time.

And I think everybody should read books because I write books.

Right.

I listen to audiobooks.

Does that count?

Oh, I have such a hard time reading books.

Here's the end of the.

Here's the end of the.

Here's the wrap up for today.

I'm reading a book about freedom of speech and it's about pre 1800s and all the sedition laws where you are not allowed to complain about government.

I was telling David some of this dragging over.

And even as late as 1798, 1799, people were getting beaten for criticizing the government in America.

In America with the First Amendment.

That's fighting words for us now we can say anything we want about our government.

We usually do.

And it's not always good.

But boy, I keep learning.

I come back to my class after our little vacation and big smile on my face, I said, what are you so happy about?

I read another book.

Yep, isn't that how it goes?

And I am excited.

Yep.

And as I said to you in the car ride and the way over, one of my favorite Charlie Kirk clips was when a person was so angry saying, I hate America.

I hate everything about it.

And he said, are you gonna leave?

And this person said, no, I'm not gonna leave.

He goes, isn't it great?

You can live in a country, hate everything about it, but it's so valuable to you.

You're not gonna leave.

He's like, isn't that wonderful?

Thank God for your freedom.

Right.

And it was like, I hope we

shared something of value here.

Right.

So that's up to God, man.

Yeah.

Like that's.

That's the way I see it, is it's always up to God.

Be grounded in Christ.

That's where it starts.

And teach our young people that.

And you know.

Yep.

That was the.

The conference I just went to last week, the Relate conference up in Bradenton.

And the theme was just Jesus.

And we've discovered this is the.

The youth generation, the young adult generation.

They are sick and tired.

They're done with the games, they're done with the propaganda.

They're done with the flashy like, just give me Jesus and be done.

I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that he's able to keep that which I've committed to him until that day.

Amen.

That's one of my dad's favorites.

Yeah.

One of my wife's favorites.

And I think it's applicable to what we're Talking about and how we should Respond is Ephesians 4:29, and let no unwholesome talk come from your mouth.

And yet, this is me paraphrasing.

And yet, whatever you do say to somebody, let it be that they're being uplifted.

So much so that if someone else hears you, they're uplifted by it too.

And that's how I think we should approach all of these conversations.

Anything that it could be, you disagree with me and it could be polarizing or anything like that.

I think that we should approach it with the fact that, like, hey, man, I love you.

Like, and I'm attempting to anyways.

Right.

As hard as that is, like, my goal is to love you through whatever this is.

And so, yep, I told a young

man on Facebook the other day, he had written something about, if you support this incursion into Iran, you're a bunch of fools.

And I wrote, I said, you know, calling me a fool isn't a good way to start a conversation.

Right, right.

And then someone else used the word idiots.

And I said, no, that's not a good one either.

You want to have a conversation, let's have a conversation.

That's it.

Yeah.

Turn it away, Rat.

Mm.

There we go.

Proverbs works.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

Well, what is your final.

What's your final thought that you want to share with people?

Love God, Love Jesus.

You know, that's where it starts.

Reclaim America by sharing the gospel, by trying to see life from others perspectives.

Strike up the conversations.

Do be engaged in the political process.

And I will say this.

Sometimes people like me will get even, you know, will accuse you of being indifferent.

You must do this.

You must do this.

No, you know what?

You've been called to be a pastor.

I haven't.

I've been called to engage in this.

I've been equipped for this.

I've been trained for this.

This is my calling.

And some people are called into the political arena and those who fear God first really need our support.

Really need.

Because it's very, very hard to be in Congress or a legislature.

But what you can do is vote.

Yep.

And I would say, don't just vote.

Party line.

Find out something.

Although they don't want to tell you who they really are.

Yep.

But watch.

Yeah, listen, watch, listen.

Pay attention.

Yep.

We have a 38 and a half trillion dollar national deficit and that is putting my grandchildren's children in debt.

And I don't like that.

And that's immoral.

And one of the reasons we are is we won't take responsibility for others.

We want the government to do it for us.

That's it.

How's that?

Yeah, that's good.

Final thoughts for you, Derek?

I'm.

I just want to piggyback off of that, man.

Like, early church, they sold their possessions to help others.

Like, they put value on human life above things.

And how far have we gotten away from that?

That if there's something your brother needs, like, and you can provide, you have a motivation you should.

Yep, that's it.

Yeah.

That's beautiful.

And as far as any thoughts I have, I would say if you go back through every single good and bad interaction you've had, every good and bad conversation, every positive and negative experience you've ever gone through, I, like Steve Harvey, said that if you are sitting here today, that means your survival rate for impossible circumstances is 100% right.

And every single positive and negative thing you have ever gone through has taught you something, has shaped you in a particular way.

So sit and ruminate on those.

Like, don't.

Don't ruminate over who you disagree with.

Ruminate over the things that you've been taught and the lessons you are learning and how you get to turn around and then share what you've learned with somebody else and have shaped them into a better person.

One day, my dad saw me preach and do a gospel concert.

Now, maybe it was more than that one day, maybe many days.

And my dad said, david is doing this.

Really, it was a surprise to him.

And I've had that experience with this boy.

And it isn't because I thought less of him.

I'm just absolutely excited where he is spiritually and.

And someday his kids, he's gonna say, wow, Kaylin did that.

Yeah, Sylar did that.

Well, to a degree.

It's amazing.

The thing that really surprised me one day is my younger brother.

His name is Dan, Right.

He's got.

He's a father of four and dedicated husband.

And I remember sitting down and listening to what he's doing.

Right now.

He's working with.

What's it called?

It's called the Alpha Program.

Through the Salvation Army.

Salvation Army.

And I had no idea he was doing it.

And he's been doing it for years.

And he started telling me about what he did, and he just starts throwing scripture out.

And it hit me for the first time a year ago.

He's literally a year and a half younger than me.

So I'm 43.

So he's 41.

And a year ago, it hit me for the first time.

Oh, he's somebody I could actually learn from.

But there's this weird little thing being like, he's my little brother, what does he know?

Which is a terrible thought to have.

I've got a picture.

I've got a picture of Dan and I singing.

Singing together at one of these.

At a man.

It just brings tears to my eyes, you know.

See my sons and my.

I have two sons and they're great dads and they're great husbands and they love their children, they love their wives and they love Jesus, you know?

Amen.

There you go.

Amen.

Where can they find your books?

Amazon.com Just look up racer, Dave.

And no joke, if you Google Dave Racer, he's the first thing that pops up.

I don't know how you bested the algorithm, but Google Dave Racer.

Boom.

Both of these are there, plus a lot of the other ones.

Not all of them.

Cool.

Check out those books.

They're for your kids.

There are 64 of them.

A lot of it is educated, right?

A lot of them are educational.

A lot.

There's some interesting, very interesting non fiction ones.

We're not going to get into all of that because it would take a

while, but it takes a while.

Some very interesting stuff for sure.

So check him out.

Buy a book or two.

Teach your kids about something.

Our government and the way that it's supposed to be and how to interact with it.

So there you go.

Thank you for coming on.

Thank you for having me.

It's been a pleasure and being had.

Got to talk about some things that I don't normally get to talk about on here.

And so it was good and I hope you guys enjoyed it.

I do have a website.

Okay.

Yeah, it probably isn't a surprise.

It's called daveracer.com okay, that's an easy one.

That's so easy.

And you won't get him.

You'll get me.

That's right.

And that's an easy.

It's spelled exactly how it sounds.

Cool.

So go check out his website as well.

Davraiser.com Someday it will be yours.

Right?

Just gonna hand it over to me, then I get to change it up.

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