Welcome to the Mindful Dog Parent, the podcast for overwhelmed and anxious dog owners who are doing their best but still feel like they're getting it all wrong.
Speaker AI'm Sian, a trauma informed coach and ethical dog trainer.
Speaker AI created this podcast because dog parenting isn't always cute reels and perfect walks.
Speaker ASometimes it's tears after training, guilt in the quiet moments, or just feeling like you're the only one struggling.
Speaker AIf you've ever said, I love my dog, but this is really hard, you're in the right place.
Speaker AEach week I'll bring you calm, compassionate guidance to help you build confidence, regulate your emotions and reconnect with your dog, even when things feel messy because you're not failing, you're just overwhelmed.
Speaker AAnd you don't have to figure this out on your own.
Speaker AThere's a particular type of heaviness that sets in after a hard walk.
Speaker ASo you've got home, that lead has been put back on the hook, that door's closed behind you and your brain is telling you a story about what might have just happened.
Speaker ASo your dog could have reacted on the walk.
Speaker ASo you felt your shoulders tense up, your chests got tight.
Speaker AYou have, your hands have got tight when you were on, like, holding that lead and you've got home and that's where you start to feel safe again.
Speaker ASo you, you kind of start to check back in, but your brain's already telling you a story.
Speaker AWhy is this still happening?
Speaker AI thought we were past this.
Speaker AHave I messed something up?
Speaker AAll those thoughts that I've talked about in previous episodes, the, the dog, mum, guilt, the attaching your identity, as in who you are as a person and how, how good enough you are as a person to, to the progress that your dog's making in the, in your training.
Speaker AAnd those moments can be just so destabilizing.
Speaker AI have been there myself.
Speaker AI'll talk a little bit about it in today's episode because when you've been working so hard, especially when you've been feeling like you've been working so hard, that's why it's destabilising.
Speaker AAnd I want to talk about those moments in today's episode because I want you to hear that those moments do not mean that you're going backwards, even when they feel like you do, because I have felt that too.
Speaker AI have been the dog mom who have.
Speaker AHas felt all those things.
Speaker AAnd I want to talk about that today.
Speaker AI want to talk about how we can start to reframe it.
Speaker AWhen I think about an episode, when I think about What I want to talk about and stories that I want to mention that are relevant.
Speaker ABonnie's reactivity is something that always.
Speaker AThat I always come back to.
Speaker AAnd when I think about it in a bit more detail, I think about it from my own perspective, but then I think about it from my.
Speaker AMy client's perspective as well.
Speaker AAnd reactivity is one of the hardest things that you can work through.
Speaker ASo I'm talking about this episode today from a reactivity point of view, but you can put anything to it.
Speaker ASo you can put, you know, off lead, recall your dog not listening to you and seemingly ignoring you on a walk when you're trying to recall them, that can be just as destabilizing.
Speaker AYou think, you know, oh, we were starting to make progress, and then it just goes out of the window.
Speaker ALead walking you, your arm being pulled off on the lead, that's just as destabilizing because you come back exhausted and you feel like your arm's gonna fall off.
Speaker ALike, all.
Speaker ALike any situation on a walk with your dog that we.
Speaker AWe can kind of put to this.
Speaker ABut I think when I think about my own experience and the feelings around it all, for my clients who have reactive dogs and all that kind of stuff, it's a big emotional thing.
Speaker ASo the story that stood out for me, for my own experience with this is Bonnie.
Speaker ASo anybody new to the podcast, welcome.
Speaker AI'm so glad that you're here, but you might not know about my own experiences.
Speaker ASo in previous episodes, if you haven't listened to them before, I've talked about my own dogs and my own situations, and I try to make everything feel as real as possible because I think that's a really important thing to kind of see, say, like, I felt these things.
Speaker AYou're not on your own when you feel this way.
Speaker AI, you know, I've got to the place that I have now through time, like times past, between now and then, and I can reflect on it and I can look back and think of all the things that I could have done differently.
Speaker ABut actually, I think about it now from a place of reflecting and saying, well, there wasn't very much structure, though.
Speaker AYou know, I was doing what I could, and I was doing it on my own.
Speaker AI didn't have anybody helping me with it, so it is always going to feel a lot harder.
Speaker AAnd reactivity specifically is so nuanced as well.
Speaker ASo I remember a walk with Bonnie.
Speaker ABonnie is a rescue lurcher.
Speaker AShe.
Speaker AWe've had her since she was around seven months old, and she's now, we want to say around 10, so we're not sure of her age because she's a rescue, but we think we got her when she was about 7 months old.
Speaker AShe's now 10.
Speaker ASo there's been a long period of time between now and then.
Speaker AAnd seven months old is right on the cusp of teenage times.
Speaker AAnd it's usually the time when reactivity can escalate or start to happen.
Speaker AWhen I say escalate, it may be that your puppy's lying down.
Speaker AWhen dogs go past or people or whatever their triggers are, that they lie down or they sit and they won't move until they've gone, or just really subtle things and it starts to escalate, or it can just be something that feels like it's kind of started and you weren't expecting it.
Speaker ASo nothing was really happening that you could notice before, and now it started.
Speaker ASo teenage times tends to be when it happens most.
Speaker ABut I didn't know that then.
Speaker AI had no idea about any of that.
Speaker ASo when I started to make progress with her, I remember a walk that stuck with me.
Speaker AWe'd been in a steady place for a while, so I'd seen calmer walks.
Speaker AShe wasn't pulling on the lead as much or looking around her as often.
Speaker ASo hyper vigilance, looking for dogs.
Speaker AHer reactions were towards dogs.
Speaker AWe felt more connected.
Speaker ASo I'd worked on our relationship, I'd worked on engagement with me and all that kind of stuff that leads to the point of being able to check in with you on walks and feel like they don't need to pull to everything or like not be thinking about you in any way.
Speaker ASo I got that feeling that, okay, things are starting to shift, things are starting to improve.
Speaker AThen one day, out of nowhere, it.
Speaker AIt seemed she reacted.
Speaker ASo it wasn't a big explosion.
Speaker ASo her reactions were explosive.
Speaker AThey were pulled to the end of that lead as far as she could go.
Speaker APull my arm off, and she would flip herself up in the air.
Speaker ASo that's the best description that I could use.
Speaker AShe'd flip herself up into the air, and she would land any way she would like.
Speaker AShe wouldn't be landing on her feet.
Speaker AShe wasn't a cat.
Speaker AShe gives me cat vibes sometimes, but she wasn't a cat in those moments at all.
Speaker ABut it looked like I'd flipped her up in the air and she would bark, she would lunge, she would.
Speaker AShe would jump onto her back legs.
Speaker AShe would yap sometimes as well.
Speaker AVery, very big, dramatic reactions.
Speaker ASo this reaction on this particular day, after we'd started to make some progress, it wasn't explosive, it wasn't dramatic, but it was enough to make my stomach drop.
Speaker ASo immediately my brain went to what did I miss?
Speaker ADid I let things slide?
Speaker AYou know, was I getting complacent?
Speaker ADid I think we'd made more progress than we actually have?
Speaker ABecause that's what my brain was wired to do.
Speaker AAnd it's what most of our brains are wired to do as well.
Speaker ASo I remember standing there after I was holding that lead, I felt that feeling of a mixture of disappointment and self doubt.
Speaker AThose are the two feelings that stood out in my situation for that disappointment in the fact that it had happened, disappointment in myself because I felt like I'd let that happen.
Speaker AAnd self doubt around not feeling good enough.
Speaker ABecause I've talked about it in previous episode, I'll link any relevant episodes in the show notes.
Speaker ABut I've talked about feeling good enough being attached to your dog's progress in a particular area before because it, it resonated with me.
Speaker AI didn't feel good enough as a dog mom and dog mom guilt creeped in as well.
Speaker AAnd that's one of the early episodes too I've gone into in a bit more detail.
Speaker ABut all those feelings, not feeling good enough guilt, that self doubt of, you know, my dog's progress equals this is how good enough I am.
Speaker AThat was what was happening.
Speaker ABut the bit that changed everything to me, once I started to realize and like really started to go into it in more detail, nothing had actually regressed.
Speaker ABonnie wasn't worse.
Speaker AThe work that we'd done hadn't completely unravelled.
Speaker AWhat had happened was like way more human and biological than all of those things that my brain was telling me.
Speaker ASo when your dog's reactions happen, or if you've just had a hard moment so they are really, really pulling on that lead, or your dog struggled through an overwhelming situation or whatever it is, both of your nervous systems are reacting at once.
Speaker ASo that's your nervous system and your dog's nervous system are reacting to one situation.
Speaker ASo from a nervous system perspective in this situation, and this can be labeled for anything.
Speaker AThat's why I'm thinking, say think about your own situation with your dog with this, because it can be for anything.
Speaker ABut in my situation and this kind of topic today, reactivity is not a linear skill that just keeps improving in a straight line.
Speaker AOr like, think of it like steps.
Speaker AWe aren't going to go up every single step, every single day from the start to the finish, it very much depends on state.
Speaker ASo our nervous system state.
Speaker ASo that means, like, in any given moment, your dog's response is going to be dependent on quite a few things.
Speaker ASo I'll kind of list a few so that you can have a think about potentially, if you've had a hard moment recently, what could it.
Speaker ALike, how could it all link together?
Speaker ASo it's going to be how safe they feel.
Speaker ASo from a nervous system perspective, if they don't feel safe just in, just in the same way as if we don't feel safe, we're not going to see a response in the same way as in situations when they do how much stress they're already carrying.
Speaker ASo our stress bucket and their stress bucket is going to play a part in that.
Speaker ASo how full is that bucket?
Speaker AIf you're not sure what the stress bucket analogy is, I'll link to it in the show notes so that you can kind of understand really, really simple terms what it is.
Speaker AIt can be linked to what's happened earlier on in the day.
Speaker ASo, you know, that can be how much sleep they've had that day, how many visitors there's been, how many triggers.
Speaker AAnd triggers doesn't mean things that have made them react.
Speaker AIt just means things that have happened to them in the day, what their body's capacity is right then.
Speaker ASo the capacity for you and for your dog is going to be different in every situation and for every day.
Speaker ASo it's what, in that moment, what capacity did they have?
Speaker AAnd when we talk about the situation, those kind of things with your dog, we're thinking about it, about you as well.
Speaker ASo how safe do you feel?
Speaker AHow much stress are you carrying?
Speaker AWhat's happened to you earlier in the day?
Speaker AWhat your body's capacities, what capacity does your body have right then?
Speaker AAnd then when something unexpected happens on a walk, your nervous system can flip into that protection mode in milliseconds.
Speaker AIt's doing what it's meant to do.
Speaker ADon't feel safe.
Speaker AI need to go into protection mode.
Speaker ASo your heart rate increases, your breath starts to shallow, your muscle starts to tense because it's, it's responding to thinking about, do I fight?
Speaker ADo I, do I flee?
Speaker ADo I freeze?
Speaker AI don't feel safe, what do I do?
Speaker AI need to prepare my body for that response.
Speaker AYour brain's not asking, like in that moment, your.
Speaker AWhen your body doesn't feel safe and your nervous systems put you into this safety, protection mode, it's not thinking, is this a data, data point when you feel safe and when you have all these kind of feet, you know, all that stuff that I mentioned, your stress is lower, you feel like you, you can be calmer.
Speaker AYou haven't had very many triggers and you've had good sleep and all that stuff.
Speaker AYour brain probably does say, is this a data point?
Speaker AWhat can I learn from it?
Speaker AThat in that moment your body's saying, are we safe?
Speaker AWhat do I need to do?
Speaker AHow do I need to prepare to fight, flee or freeze?
Speaker AThat's when the meaning making starts.
Speaker AYour mind is trying to explain that discomfort.
Speaker AAnd the easier and the easiest explanation is usually the self doubt.
Speaker AThe I failed, the we've gone backwards, the this shouldn't still be happening.
Speaker ABut none of those things are facts.
Speaker ANone of those things are coming from a place of you feeling safe and feeling able to process things in a more logical way.
Speaker AThey're a stress response.
Speaker ASo your body's responding in the right way in terms of I feel unsafe, I need to go into protection mode, what do we do right now I need to tense up, ready for, for some kind of response and reaction.
Speaker AYour brain flips then into, can't process this.
Speaker AI feel really stressed.
Speaker AI need to explain what's happening and it has to be me.
Speaker AProgress is about, if we think about it in a nervous system aware training, it's not the absence of reactions.
Speaker AWe aren't going to say we can never see a reaction here.
Speaker ASo when I think about my own story with Bonnie in that scenario, when I list some of the things about what progress actually is, you'll see what was happening.
Speaker ASo my brain went to, I'm not good enough.
Speaker AWhy did this happen?
Speaker AWe've regressed, we're going backwards.
Speaker AYou know, I thought we were past this, all that stuff, but what was actually happening was shorter recovery times is what real progress looks like.
Speaker ASo your dog takes less time to recover when they have had a reaction.
Speaker ASo when you start to see that happen, that is progress.
Speaker AIt's quicker regulation.
Speaker ASo are they able to regulate themselves, come back to baseline faster than they could before?
Speaker AIt's less intensity over time.
Speaker ASo their reactions to a situation are lesser than they were before.
Speaker AAnd that better ability to come back to baseline that I've mentioned already.
Speaker ASo sometimes progress in a reactivity sense looks like reacting and then settling faster.
Speaker ASometimes it looks like having one hard moment after having quite a few good ones.
Speaker ASometimes it's looking at your own response as well.
Speaker ASo if I just kind of backtrack a little bit and I look at that list of stuff that I Know what?
Speaker AProgress.
Speaker AThat's what progress means.
Speaker ABonnie had still made progress.
Speaker ASo if you think about what I said, I said, we went out for a walk, and her reaction, she reacted, but her reaction was not as dramatic as it was before.
Speaker AShe didn't flip herself up at the end of that lead bar, land in any which way, like, on her back, on her side.
Speaker ALike, she rarely landed on her feet because she was so overwhelmed.
Speaker AShe didn't jump and, like, become big and dramatic.
Speaker AShe.
Speaker AShe went to the end of her lead, she had a little, like, she got interested, and she raised herself a little bit.
Speaker AHer chest went up, her head went up, her ears were forward, her head was forward, all that stuff.
Speaker AShe had a little bark, and then she checked back in with me and carried on away and recovered much quicker.
Speaker ASo when we think about that, her recovery time was fast because it used to take her ages to recover from a reaction.
Speaker AShe regulated herself faster because she shook off.
Speaker AShe.
Speaker AShe shook off after she barked and went back to sniffing.
Speaker ASo that regulation point is being able to do things like sniff for your dog.
Speaker AIt was way less intense than it had been, and she came back to baseline much faster.
Speaker ASo for me, when I look back at that situation in the moment, I was thinking all this bad stuff, but actually, when I compare it to where we'd come from, that was massive progress.
Speaker AShe did react, but it was way less than it was.
Speaker AShe checked in with me.
Speaker AShe would never have done that before.
Speaker ALike, all these things had happened.
Speaker ABut that's not what your brain is telling you in that moment.
Speaker ASo we're looking at that reaction from your dog and thinking, well, actually, this is progress, because it, you know, I'm not trying to eliminate every single reaction in all these situations because the dog over the road, from memory was looking at us, and I think, think there was two dogs, and one of them was starting to bark as well.
Speaker ASo when.
Speaker AWhen a dog who feels threatened is getting eye contact, that's intimidating.
Speaker AAnd especially when there's a dog, another dog reacting.
Speaker AIt was.
Speaker AIt was a big dog and a little, little dog.
Speaker AAnd the little dog was barking.
Speaker AThe big dog looked at her, and the.
Speaker AAnd the little dog was obviously looking and barking as well.
Speaker ASo those two things are going to increase stress.
Speaker AAnd she dealt with it in the best way that she could in that moment.
Speaker AAnd I was really proud.
Speaker AOnce I'd realized, I. I thought, actually, I'm really proud because she, she.
Speaker AIt was a minimal reaction really, in comparison to where we'd come from.
Speaker AAnd she was able to Recover way quicker after a situation where another dog was barking really quite loudly at her.
Speaker ASo that's really good progress.
Speaker AAnd then we're thinking about going back to the point I was making about what your own response looks like.
Speaker ASo we're thinking your own.
Speaker AYour response before was I need to panic and self blame.
Speaker ABut what's actually happening now is you soften yourself instead.
Speaker AYou, you think, what do I need to do next?
Speaker ASo you are coming from a place of still feeling like you can do something next rather than it being panic or self blame.
Speaker AAnd if you do panic or self blame in the moment, that's okay.
Speaker AWe're thinking about what strategies do we need to give you and how do we help you to feel more confident in knowing to do in that situation.
Speaker ASo it's just, it is a learning point still.
Speaker ABut when you start to see your response soften, that is the work, that is the progress that both of you are making.
Speaker AYour dog's response reactions were smaller, their intensity was less, they could recover faster.
Speaker AAnd your reaction in that moment wasn't to catastrophize.
Speaker AThat's the best description that I could give it.
Speaker ACatastrophizing is a normal human response to situations that feel threatening or stressful, but you've chosen to soften instead.
Speaker ASo with Bonnie, once I'd stopped treating those moments as evidence of failure, everything started to change.
Speaker ASo I stopped tightening the lead physically and emotionally.
Speaker AI stopped spiraling internally.
Speaker AShe stopped feeling like she had to carry the tension with me.
Speaker ASo like feeling that tension through the lead.
Speaker ABecause dogs are responding to that environment as much as they're responding to things that they're picking up from us.
Speaker ASo there would be, there will be things like I was doing back then that you may do when your dog is having that moment, that difficult moment.
Speaker ASo with reactivity, it could be you tense, that lead, that lead becomes tense.
Speaker AOr.
Speaker AAnd it's only when they, when you see a dog.
Speaker ASo you see a dog, the lead tense is your dog picks up on that tension and then says, what do I need to be aware of in this environment?
Speaker AAnd it's a dog.
Speaker AAnd then it's becoming.
Speaker AThat becomes a trigger for them.
Speaker AOr it could be only when we see dogs do we cross the road we normally walk.
Speaker AReally like in straight up, one way, straight down, back down on the same path.
Speaker AOr we do a loop or whatever it is, and it's always on the same side.
Speaker ABut if there's a dog, and only if there's a dog or whatever it is, a Human.
Speaker AIf they're reactive to people, do we cross the road?
Speaker AThat trigger of we're crossing the road will be the thing that tells your dog that there's something there.
Speaker AIt could be that your hand goes in your pocket and that becomes a trigger for them.
Speaker ASo there'll be things that you were doing that they'll pick up on and they'll feel like they need to be aware of something and it becomes the trigger for the reaction potentially.
Speaker ASo they are responding to us and what our body language and all the signals that we're giving off to them as well as the environment.
Speaker ASo there's things that we can do to.
Speaker AThat's why I say like having strategies and knowing what to do really helps.
Speaker AAnd I give my clients in this situation emergency protocols because I've been there myself.
Speaker AWhat do I do?
Speaker AOh my gosh, what do I do in this situation?
Speaker AActually this is happening.
Speaker ALet's do this is what I teach my clients to do.
Speaker AAnd it takes time to kind of get to that place because you need to start to feel confident in understanding what your dog's doing, understanding what we do in the, in the different situations.
Speaker AIt takes time to practice and learn it, but it does get to that point of knowing them, what to do.
Speaker ASo the reframe that I still use to this day is instead of asking, what did I do wrong?
Speaker AAnd this is for like all aspects of life, that's why I still use it today.
Speaker AInstead of what did I do wrong?
Speaker AWe ask what might have made this harder today?
Speaker ASo it's not forever, it's not for always, it's not any kind of.
Speaker AIt's not big or over a long period of time.
Speaker AIt's just today.
Speaker AWhat might have made this harder today?
Speaker AWas your dog overtired?
Speaker AWas the environment busier than it usually is?
Speaker AWere you already holding a lot of stress or were they holding a lot of stress in their bodies?
Speaker AThis question starts to support you in that curiosity rather than criticism.
Speaker ASo instead of saying what did I do wrong?
Speaker AWhen you are reflecting on a particular difficult moment, we're thinking, what might have made this harder today instead.
Speaker ASo that curiosity is what's keeping your nervous system in a state of where learning for both of you is still possible.
Speaker ABecause if we're just self, self critical or trying to find blame, so we're blaming a situation on another person, another dog.
Speaker ALike whatever it is, it's not about blame.
Speaker AIt's about thinking about what, what might have made this harder.
Speaker AAnd if there's no real big pattern to it and there's no real clear signal then that's where we start to ask more questions on a deeper level.
Speaker ABut that question really starts to help keep you curious around it rather than thinking I've got to change all the things.
Speaker ASo after a hard walk, the most supportive thing that you can do instead of more training, because more training is not the answer here, it's regulation.
Speaker ASo for you that could be working on your breath.
Speaker ASo really like doing that body scan, slowing down your breath, unclenching your jaw.
Speaker ASo my historically my jaws been clenched a lot and I've ground my teeth at night since I was a kid.
Speaker ASo I definitely can relate to that one.
Speaker ALetting your shoulders drop.
Speaker ASo you know, having that awareness of if you feel tense, your shoulders are raised up.
Speaker ASo lowering those shoulders and for your dog it's decompression time.
Speaker AIt's quiet, it's familiarity.
Speaker AIt's not kind of trying to break it all apart and really try to, to do anything.
Speaker AIt's not about replaying it on a loop, which again something I've done.
Speaker AThat's why I mention it.
Speaker AIt's what I used to do in the past.
Speaker AI used to loop round and round and round the same situation over and over and over, being self critical, thinking I'd done all these things wrong.
Speaker ABut it's about letting both of your nervous system settle.
Speaker ASo after a hard walk, you've got home, you've hooked that lead back on the hook.
Speaker ALike I mentioned at the beginning of the episode, the doors closed and your brain might have started telling you a story.
Speaker AHave that awareness and say and interrupt it and say to yourself, rather than doing this, let's ask the question and let's both regulate ourselves now so it can be giving your dog a chew.
Speaker ASo they've had a high arousal walk.
Speaker ALet's give them something to bring that arousal level down, give them a chew in a quiet space in their calm zone and let me make myself a cup of tea and focus on my breath and just try and ground myself again.
Speaker ASo when we start to let both of our nervous systems settle, reflection happens from a place of being able to learn and process better rather than doing all of that escalation.
Speaker AAnd it works best after safety does return.
Speaker ASo it's not going to help when you're still activated.
Speaker ASo it's about doing the regulation and then reflecting.
Speaker AThose are the things that I would do.
Speaker ASo I want you to hear what I've mentioned already and what I hope you've learned from the episode that a hard walk does not erase all the hard work that you've done.
Speaker AA reaction does not cancel the progress that you'd been making up to that point.
Speaker AAnd a bad day doesn't mean you're back at the beginning again.
Speaker AIt usually often just means that you're human, your dog's just being a dog and some something has tipped the balance in that moment and moments pass.
Speaker AMoments are temporary.
Speaker ASo if this has landed for you, there's two episodes that are that I've that I think are going to be relevant, but I'll link some more in the show notes like thinking about some of that linking back to your identity and dog mum guilt.
Speaker ABut there's one episode I think will resonate is when you feel like you're failing with your dog and when staying calm feels impossible.
Speaker ASo those are gonna naturally kind of sit really well alongside what we talked about today as well as the other episodes that I've mentioned.
Speaker AAnd as always, I want you to hear that you're not doing things wrong.
Speaker AYou're not failing.
Speaker AEven on the days where it's really hard to believe that.
Speaker AI want you to remember you're not failing.
Speaker ASo I'll see you next time on the Mindful Dog Parent.
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