Cam Hall (00:07)

Sean, welcome to the Dad's Making a Difference podcast, man. Good to have you today.

Sean McManus (00:12)

Great to be here brother. I appreciate the opportunity and I'm looking forward to chatting with you

Cam Hall (00:16)

Yeah, I'm always looking forward to a conversation about fatherhood, of course, but with a guy who a bit younger, younger dad, who's on a mission to help other men, I'm like, oh, I'm always eager to jump into conversations like this. So, Sean, why don't you start off, tell us a little bit about like being a dad right now and what that's like for you.

Sean McManus (00:35)

man, so it's awesome. I love every part of it. ⁓ But I have two boys right now. So my oldest is almost five and then my youngest is almost two. So we're like very close to birthdays right now. ⁓

But man, my house is like a cross between their two boys. So my house is like a cross between Monday Night Raw and the hangover. If you've ever seen that movie. it's just absolute craziness all the time. ⁓ But man, it's so much fun. Lots of, lots of wrestling, lots of tickling, lots of, ⁓ lots of questions. But yeah, it's, it's a blessing.

Cam Hall (00:57)

Yep.

Yeah, a lot of why I'm sure you get that a lot. Why? Why? Why? Why? Yeah.

Sean McManus (01:13)

Oh my goodness, yes. Sometimes

my wife, she'll come in and she's just like, I can't answer any more questions. Can you take a shift for a little while? I'm like, sure, no problem. Yes.

Cam Hall (01:19)

Yeah, I'm done. Man,

two boys, I love that you said it's a little bit of like Monday Night Raw because I just remember when my son was that age and that wasn't too long ago. He just turned 11, but you know, five years old, all he wanted to do and all he still wants to do is wrestle. Like there's every so often that he would come up to me and just like, he was like,

Sean McManus (01:41)

Yes.

Cam Hall (01:46)

smash his body into me or grab my leg or do something. And I'm like, he's just spurring me on. so whatever he could do to cause dad to wrestle with them. And then I found one of the things for him and his ⁓ moods and his behavior, like if he was having like meltdown mode or was like in a really grumpy mood, I could always bring them back by like getting physical with them, like in a playful, like get up and close.

Sean McManus (01:54)

Yes.

Cam Hall (02:13)

And it always brought him back. And it's amazing how different it was with him than it was for my daughter who she's two years old and now she's 13. She said, don't touch me. You know, she was always that. Yeah.

Sean McManus (02:21)

Yes, yes, absolutely. Yeah, man,

it's funny that you say that because we have had conversations with my wife the very same thing when my oldest when he's moody or grumpy or something like that. It's usually because he hasn't gotten enough one on one one time. He hasn't gotten enough attention. And yeah, just having that one on one intentional time can can bring them back quite often.

Cam Hall (02:37)

Yeah.

Yeah, you know, one of the things I always think about when I'm talking to guys who are dads is like, how is it going? And where did you, we don't ever like get taught how to be a dad other than the men that we interact with in our life, our own father mentors in our lives, maybe a coach or something for you. What was it like for you growing up?

Sean McManus (03:06)

Yeah, man. So I was ⁓ blessed. I had a wonderful father growing up. So I learned a lot from him, still learning a lot from him to this day. So that was just, that was like a cheat code, basically, because I know not everybody has that. ⁓ So that was definitely a blessing. The other piece was, you know, getting into, I've had several mentorships at this point. ⁓

Yeah, I worked with a, with a coach that was strictly for, ⁓ Christian husbands and that really helped, even in fatherhood. was, it was, you know, primarily about being a good Christian husband, husband and a good leader of your home. but it bled into a lot, into a lot of fatherhood as well. So those, those two things together have been, ⁓ crucial, just, just mentorship. And then, like I said, I had a, I had an awesome dad growing up.

Cam Hall (03:54)

Yeah. So for you, not your dad, your own admission to help other men, but it wasn't always the case. You had a job, right? You had your work in corporate, you were doing these things. What was the shift for you to go from ⁓ working full-time on someone else's dream to ⁓ pursuing your own and your own passion?

Sean McManus (04:14)

Yeah, so that was a long journey ⁓ still still riding the journey to some extent. I don't think I ever stops but

I always wanted to be an entrepreneur. Uh, there's never a time in my life where I was excited to have a boss. Um, so that definitely played a piece in my story. I was always kind of thinking it. I just didn't know, I didn't know what to do. I didn't know, you know, like skillset. I'm like, okay, which skillset do I, do I use what, you know, how do I pursue it and everything like that? So I kind of tried some side hustle type things while I was still working my corporate job and

Cam Hall (04:35)

Hmm.

Sean McManus (04:51)

Enjoyed them a little bit, but it wasn't anything that I just you know woke up excited to do it was like I need to make some more money to better support my family So I'm gonna I know how to do this thing. So I'm gonna go do it and at the time it was kind of construction style work and

Cam Hall (05:01)

Hmm.

and the kind of impression that came was, well, I'm not pregnant with our second son, and we're single-income households, so at the time, we

Sean McManus (05:08)

Kind of the threshold that came was my wife got pregnant with our second son and we're a single income household. So at the time, the, you know, the, the

economy was not doing well. Uh, this was kind of not long after COVID and, um, we were already tight, struggling, not, not struggling. Like we didn't have anything to eat. Just, we didn't have any money at end of the month. Uh, that was it. So when we got pregnant with our second son,

At that point I was like, okay, I am on a time clock because we're already struggling now. So it's only going to get worse. ⁓ there's, there's another mouth to feed, ⁓ another blessing there. So I started really diving in and really looking and praying. That's, that's a faith is a big part of my journey. ⁓ and just asking God, what do you want it? You know, what it's like, what do you have for me? God's like, I know there's something else. ⁓ so I started going down some different avenues. I, you know, picked up the, home repair construction style stuff.

Cam Hall (05:59)

So I started going down to Sputnik and I picked up the Housel pair of construction jobs.

Sean McManus (06:05)

⁓

Started looking for jobs like any kind of sales jobs because I don't look super good on paper So staying in the corporate world wasn't a great ⁓ option So I started looking into sales jobs found a sales position with a solar company door-to-door

Cam Hall (06:07)

I started looking for jobs. I sales jobs. I don't work in the market. So staying in the corporate world wasn't a great option. So I started looking at sales jobs. Found a sales position in a solar company.

Sean McManus (06:20)

sales didn't know anything about it But I was like hey they promised a lot of money if I worked hard and learned fast and I can work hard learn fast so Actually left my corporate job right before we had our second son Levi and went and knocked on doors full-time ⁓

Cam Hall (06:23)

Okay. ⁓

Sean McManus (06:36)

which

is did not like that at all. ⁓ I was fairly good at it. I was pretty good at making people feel comfortable, pretty good at talking to folks, but I didn't like the way the company did business and I didn't like showing up to people's houses unannounced at five o'clock in the evening right after they got off work and wanted to hang out with their families. So left that, ⁓

Picked up on the home repair again. I was doing more of that. I was also doing some fitness coaching on the side because I had kind of started dabbling in that a little bit and, was trying to build two businesses at once with the home repair and the fitness style. And just wasn't getting anywhere with both of them and decided that I no longer wanted to do the home repair work. So I was just going to spend all my time on the fitness. And that's, that's kind of how we got to where we are now.

Cam Hall (07:23)

Yeah, excellent. so, know, I being in that world for so long, and I told you on our, our pre colleague with fight the dab, I, which I started as a young dad, ⁓ 2015 and like still have a go on, like before our call here, I was on a call with a couple of guys in our community and I just,

I've seen a lot of people come and go in that world and a lot of people who maybe get into it for the wrong reasons, right? And I'm sure you've seen the same, like people who are just like, I want to make a quick buck. I know this is a billion dollar industry. I'm going to use AI to generate everything that I'm doing. And here we go. And, and right. It's just, it's getting, it's getting pretty overdone. It's like everybody who's ever lost 10 pounds in the gym is now on Instagram selling a program. It's kind of funny.

Sean McManus (08:00)

Absolutely.

Yep, you got

it. Yep.

Cam Hall (08:12)

But for you, and this is why I want to talk about this with you, because I've had lots of people reach out for the dance, many different podcasts who coach men in health. And I'm like, well, that's kind of, you know, I do the same thing, right? But for you, it's different because I dive into your stuff and I'm like, this guy is doing this for the right reason. And he's helping men for the right reason. And it's not for the get shredded for your holiday. It's not for the before and after photos. It's for a bigger purpose.

Sean McManus (08:24)

Mm-hmm.

Cam Hall (08:42)

What drove you to shape your messaging and what you're doing, helping guys get healthy, around this idea of being able to show up better as a husband?

Sean McManus (08:51)

Yeah. So the biggest piece to that is, you know, I was talking about earlier in my journey, I was, was really praying through what, God wanted from me. And I very distinctly, there's a point in time, I very distinctly heard him say, Hey, I, I need you to help make my men strong again. Um, and that was really impactful for me because I don't, don't really claim to hear the Lord speak audibly to me all the time. And

It's a, you know, I think it's different for everyone, but, ⁓ that was just, that was a really sticky. mean, it just, it just hit me like a ton of bricks. And I was like, okay, like I got very convicted about it in a hurry. And so I started diving into it and you know, I've kind of seen this, this decline of masculinity in the church. ⁓ I think over the years and it, I see a lot of.

Cam Hall (09:41)

Mm-hmm.

see a lot of, I wouldn't say a good thing in the end, but I see a lot of good things in the church. Growing up in the church and growing up Christian, you see a lot of that just in general. And so, I'm always kind of glad that that wasn't the right way to do things, knowing that God made us his family, so we could have that.

Sean McManus (09:47)

I don't want say effeminate men, but I see a lot of effeminate men in the church and growing up in the church and growing up Christian, you see a lot of that, ⁓ just in general. And so I've always kind of thought that that wasn't the right way to do things, knowing that God made us as men and we should be proud of that. ⁓

in the, in the fact that we're made to be leaders, we're made to be strong, we're made to be bold. ⁓ you know, we're also made to be compassionate. We're made to be gentle, ⁓ all of those things together, but there was so much emphasis on this.

Cam Hall (10:10)

and you me to be compassionate and maybe be careful. I don't know if that's together, there was some of that emphasis

on this.

Sean McManus (10:17)

quote-unquote nice

and gentle guy that guys were losing their identity in that and they didn't feel like they had a voice they didn't feel like their opinion mattered so they continued to shrink back further and further and further and so my mission now is to help those men find their confidence again and their confidence to step up and lead boldly in their families in their churches in their communities because as a man goes so goes the household so that's

Cam Hall (10:20)

Mm. Mm.

Sean McManus (10:45)

That's kind of my mission and how that ties more into, um, you know, the fitness aspect of it. So my goal is to help them increase their self confidence and help them kill their passivity and kill this kind of nice guy persona. Um, but the, you know, the benefit and the byproduct of that is, Hey, we're getting in shape. We're stewarding our bodies. Well, we have more energy. We get to play with our kids. We're showing up as more physically attractive to our wives. Uh, so that's kind of the, that's, that's the mission behind what I've got going on.

Cam Hall (10:49)

the other biggest aspect of it. So my goal is to help them increase their self-confidence and hope for fuller passivity until this kind of nice back persona, right? Well, you know, the benefit of that back-back, that that is making a change for our families as well.

When you talk about men in the church, I'll give you, I share something with you real quick. I grew up in the church and stayed connected to our church in Boatau 2002. I was 21 years old. And at that point I left home to go to college, play college basketball and got into a completely different world in this world that I had been part of. And I didn't feel like it completely prepared me for quote unquote the real world.

Sean McManus (11:21)

Of course.

Cam Hall (11:44)

And I started to find mentorship in areas outside of the church because I didn't see the strong personalities, the competitive personalities, the masculine, as you said, personalities in the church that I wanted to be like, that I wanted to aspire to be like. My dad's great. Like I love my dad. We got a great relationship, but I also had my own father who was working all the time, worked super hard for our family.

Talked to him this morning. He's still working. Like he's still doing construction work. ⁓ I saw that in him and I knew what it meant. I learned some things from him about working hard and showing up and, but you know, I come from a generation where my dad never told me he loved me, but he showed me in different ways and he showed us as boys. I got two brothers, what it meant to love your family. Cause he worked really, really hard, but I was looking for someone in my life and guys in my life who are like edgy because I was edgy.

and I had a temper and I had these things and I had this ability and this athleticist and I just wanted somebody to help me harness it and I found it in an area that was unhealthy. And I love that you're doing this in a way that brings that back into a community of men who as like Christ minded men have the right intentions but maybe not the right tact or right approach or maybe they're not showing up in a way

that young men especially and their own kids and the community can see as them as leaders. And I think you're really leaning into health as a leadership quality. And I love it. I think it's really, really cool.

Sean McManus (13:26)

Yeah, yeah, I appreciate you sharing that with me. I mean, that's that's definitely the goal behind this is, you know, we are called to lead our families. That's that's a part of our job as men, as husbands, as fathers. And you can't do that until you lead yourself well. It's not it's not to do what I say, it's to do as I do. And your kids and even your wife have to have to see you set that standard in that example.

Cam Hall (13:41)

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Yeah. What is your take on, you know, what we see right now and in our communities and you know, I go to church every week. If you're listening to this podcast, by the way, you know, we talk about God and church and stuff all the time and this isn't a Christian podcast, but I'm a Christian dude and this is what we talk about because we're trying to work things out and really wrap our minds around some stuff. And some of the things I see, I see men who, yeah, they're leading families. I know, I know they're good men, but they're out of shape.

Sean McManus (14:07)

Amen.

Cam Hall (14:18)

and they're not prioritizing their health. And I can't, what's your take? But before I say my opinion, when you see someone who you know could be a great leader, but is not taking care of their physical performance, their physical wellbeing, their ability to show up.

Sean McManus (14:36)

What do I think in terms of like why? Why are they doing that?

Cam Hall (14:38)

Yeah. Like how does it hit you?

Like when you see it, there's, I'll give you an example. Okay. I saw a clip on the old social media. I fed me this clip and it, it's actually from a guy who I'm connected with and he's a pretty good guy, but he said something in the video where it was just like how guys who are overweight were sinning because they were overweight. And I'm like,

Dude, okay, like I know where you're going to here, but I know that there are great men who are just struggling because there's things that you know and there's things you don't know. Right? So when you see somebody, a guy who's a Christian guy who wants to lead his family well, but he's not in the best physical shape, he's not in the best mental shape, he's not showing up, ⁓ how does it hit you and what are your thoughts and how do you approach that?

Sean McManus (15:11)

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

So first off, think we just look at his motive, like his motive and his motivation. So is it an ignorance issue? Like, does he not know? Or is he choosing to not care?

I think there's a very big distinction there because if it's an ignorance thing, like no problem, dude, like we can, we can work around that. We can figure that out. We can educate all those things is good. they, and I think, you know, we, go back to church to a degree. ⁓ church doesn't put most churches don't put emphasis on physical fitness. ⁓ you know, a lot of the time, and it's not this way in every church. So don't, don't hear what I'm not saying, but you know, a lot of the times like you look at the pastor.

Cam Hall (15:38)

Hmm.

Mm-mm.

Sean McManus (16:04)

He's not in good shape. And, and I'm not saying like he's not in good shape. Like he doesn't look like an Instagram model. I'm saying he's not in good shape. Like the dude needs to lose a hundred pounds. ⁓ yeah, that's, that's a big difference. So when you, when your leadership is not modeling that, it goes back to what we said earlier, like he, in my opinion, in my mind, he cannot stand at the pulpit and teach about gluttony and lack of self-control and lack of self-discipline because obviously he's not practicing those things.

Cam Hall (16:04)

Mm-hmm.

Hmm.

Thank ⁓

So I think we have to go back to that because ignorance was a choice because it seems like...

Sean McManus (16:34)

So I think we have to go back to that. it ignorance or is it a choice? Because it seems like

from my experience, what we've been fed is if you're quote unquote spiritual enough, the physical doesn't matter. So I think people hide behind that. Well, my spiritual life is great. So it doesn't matter what I do with my physical body.

And it needs to be a both and, ⁓ you know, I don't want to speak for you, Kim, but I'm sure you're not to the degree of like physical fitness is more important than your relationship with Christ. Like, of course it isn't, ⁓ none of, like none of us that are true believers are saying that in any way, shape or form. What I'm saying is God has given you this body and everything that you have from him is on loan from him. It's for you to steward. Well, you need to steward your finances. Well, you need to steward your family. Well,

You need to steward yourself and your body well also.

Cam Hall (17:31)

interesting you say that because there was a period of time probably right before my kids were born so I was like 28 to 31 maybe in that period time where I was prioritizing my health my appearance maybe even after my kids were born when they were your your kids maybe they're like five and three and to that point like I was it was more important me for me to show up to the gym every day than it was for me to pray every day

And you can only run that way for so long because it catches up to you. You start to look down at your family. You look at your kids and you start to think of, what am I actually teaching them? What am I modeling for them? What am I showing them? And as a guy who left really going to church and kind of walked away from it when I was 21 and I stayed away and didn't walk into another church for about 16 years.

And it was my daughter coming up the stairs in a little dress who looked at me and said, Hey, are we going to church today? And I was like, where did this come from? Like, where did this come from? And I was like, okay. And we walked in and I'm like shaking, walking in this building. I can, you can be, you can have a great relationship with God and you can be a faithful guy and, and not be walking into a physical building every day that I believe that, but

At the same time, there's an importance in community. There's a point in connection and bringing people together. And so, ⁓ but man, I think about how I prioritized maybe my look for a long time, maybe almost 20 years of how I looked and how I felt as that. That's where I got my value. And it wasn't until I shifted and put more emphasis on like showing up and praying and reading my Bible every day that I found my true value.

And when I did that, that's when I was able to show up for my kids and my wife the way that I needed to be. And so that's when I read your stuff. I'm like, guys, if you're listening to this, here are some of the notes just like about Sean that I want you to know as we're having this conversation. It's just like rebuilding self-confidence as a Christian man, the power of having a strong mindset, overcoming fear and self-doubt through faith and action, not just through faith, but through faith and action. And I think taking care of our body is just one of those actions. And so I love what you're doing.

So how do you, I wanna dive into the actual practical side of what you do. So how do you, when a guy comes to you, how do you help? What do you do?

Sean McManus (20:02)

Yeah. So typically the guys that I work with for the most part are either a very beginner in the gym or, know, they've had some time in the gym before and you know, like a lot of us, they kind of slacked off. They got married, they had kids and, and now it's like a wake up call. Like, ⁓ my kids are, you know, young and they run around and I can't give up with them. So we've got to change that. so it's a, I take a very sustainable approach.

Cam Hall (20:03)

you

Sean McManus (20:30)

⁓ you know, we do, I do nutrition plans, we do workout plans. So we have both of those together. ⁓ but we start off, we want to get some little wins right off the bat. So we're going to start small. Like we're going to go through the motions. ⁓ you know, one of the things that I do is I have guys because all everything that I do is online now. So I have guys video themselves working out, video their sets, and then they send them to me through our software and then I'll go over them.

Cam Hall (20:50)

Mm.

Sean McManus (20:57)

So we do custom feedback. like, Hey, you know, John, for instance, doing this great, doing this great. This is the cue I need you to think about next time. This is how we need to do this lift so that it's most efficient so that it keeps you safe. ⁓ but the, my, my biggest piece in all of this is I want us to work together for a period of time. And then I want you to go do this by yourself. I want you to be able to go do it by yourself. Now, if you want to continue working with me,

Cam Hall (21:21)

Mm-hmm.

Sean McManus (21:25)

because you're a busy guy and you don't want to think about your workouts

or your nutrition. No problem. I love it. I've got guys that have been with me for years, but if you're like, Sean, I need to learn how to do this and then I need to learn how to lead my family in it. Awesome, bro. That's what we're doing. We're going to educate. We're going to learn. ⁓ we're going to communicate about all this so that you can do it by yourself later.

Cam Hall (21:33)

But you're right, Sharon. I'm just going to and a few words. Yeah. That's what we're going to We're educate you. right.

So beyond the physical barriers that guys face, they come to you, they're like, yeah, I know physically I need to lose 20 pounds, 40 pounds, 50, whatever it is. I never walked into a gym before and I know I need to build lean muscle because that's going to keep me mobile and give me energy and make sure that I can be the dad and hopefully grandfather someday that I want to be. ⁓ beyond those physical barriers, when guys are in your program and you're working with them,

What are some of the other barriers that they encounter that where it opens up a door for you to be able to open a conversation about showing up as the guy that God wants you to show up as?

Sean McManus (22:28)

Yeah, so a lot of it's mental. A lot of it is that self-confidence piece. You know, lot of the guys that I talked to, and I was in a similar situation a few years ago. ⁓

You know, they grow up sacrifice, sacrifice, sacrifice, sacrifice, sacrifice. That's all I'm supposed to do. And they end up just completely draining themselves of, of themselves. Really. It's like, you know, they, get to this place where they don't think they have any value or worth, you know, they're just the, the, the paycheck. so the first step that we have to do is, is, is coach them through.

Cam Hall (22:45)

Mm-hmm.

Sean McManus (23:05)

Like man, matter. Aside from your family, aside from your friends, aside from your job, like you as a man, God made you and he loves you and you matter.

period full stop. ⁓ Yes, he gave you this family. Yes, it's your job to lead them, but we have to get to the place to where like your identity is on Christ and you know that you are loved by him and you know that it is important for you to take care of you. Like, yes, you're called to sacrifice and the way that we sacrifice is through our leadership, but you cannot keep pouring from an empty cup because your family is not getting the best of you. Your job, your work, your business is not getting the best of you. Your friends, your brothers are not getting the best

of you. Your creator isn't even getting the best of you because you're so drained down from all this sacrifice, sacrifice, sacrifice for everyone else that you don't have anything else to give. So the first piece is like, okay, we're going to take care of ourselves. We're going to fill our cup back up a little bit. So that way we're pouring from an overflow instead of constantly scraping the bottom of the barrel, trying to give these people that we love who we say we want to give them our best. And the guys genuinely mean that they're like, I want to give them my best. I'm like, bro, you can't cause you don't have anything to give.

Cam Hall (23:53)

that you are having to look at. So the first piece is like this, like, we're take care of ourselves. We're gonna cut that up a little bit so that we'll refrain from an overflow instead of us scraping the bottom.

Yeah. Yeah. No, I love it. It's true guys. I don't know why I can't do this. I'm always exhausted. I don't cause you're not showing up for you. You got to take care of yourself first before you take care of others for sure. And I think sometimes that gets forgotten. Yeah. Yeah. ⁓

Sean McManus (24:16)

So that's where we start is with the mental piece of it.

That's right.

You gotta put your oxygen, gotta put your oxygen on before

you can put someone else's on.

Cam Hall (24:38)

Exactly. Exactly. I think, you know, I was talking to one of my mentors, one of my coaches, and he used that, he uses that analogy quite a bit about, know, if you're ever in an airplane, what do they say to do? You know, but you really do, you need to take care of yourself and we can't do it alone. You have, we can't, you can go fast alone, but you go far together. That's another thing big A says. And he's my mentor, Aaron Walker. And he just said, you know,

You got to get off this idea that you know better. And there's a lot of guys right now who are struggling. No, I know I need to lose weight. I know I need to get stronger. I know that I need to calories in verse calories out. I need to do all these things. And I know you and I have both, well, it's a bigger picture than that. And I love that you take time to dive in with guys into the mental piece, the strength piece, the awareness and the presence piece. Because if you don't do that, yeah, you might achieve the body that you want.

and still not get the connection you want because you're having to look at the whole picture, right? ⁓ man, it's good work. It's heavy lifting, though. No pun intended. But it is. Yeah, it's heavy. It's heavy lifting. You know, Sean, for you right now, you got boys, you said five and two.

Sean McManus (25:54)

Yeah, almost, yeah. We're super close to birthday, so I'm using the almost right now.

Cam Hall (25:58)

Yeah, yeah,

you got your hands full. So as a dad right now, and husband right now, what is something that you're excited about diving into? Maybe it's an area of learning, growth, self development, what are you focusing on?

Sean McManus (26:13)

Yeah, man. So a lot of the focus has been on the business lately. I'm still very new as far as full time in the business. So that's where a lot of the focus is. But I love.

Cam Hall (26:16)

Mm-hmm.

Sean McManus (26:24)

my boys are growing and learning so fast right now. And, and you know this, you know, my, my one year old or almost two year old, it's like within the last couple of days, man, all the words that he used to say that he just butchered, that was the cutest thing ever. Like he's picking up on the sounds and he's like saying them correctly. And I'm looking at them and like, no, no, no, no, Go back, go back to how we like the too fast, too fast. and then my oldest, you know, he's, he's getting to the age where

Cam Hall (26:27)

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah. ⁓

Sean McManus (26:51)

you know, you can not take the training wheels off, but you can, you can loosen them up a little bit. And so he's.

You know, we were on vacation last week and we went down a big water slide together and,

⁓ you know, we both went under at the end of it and he's taken swim lessons, but he's not quite there yet. So I was a little, a little concerned about how he's going to react. And, he popped back up and he was like, that was awesome. Let's do it again. Yeah. Yeah. So he's at the age where he can, he can do more things. ⁓ so just, I'm excited just about the learning man and the growing and,

Cam Hall (27:03)

the number of the envelope. He's taken some lessons for himself right there. So I was a little concerned about how he would work.

Yeah, do it again.

Sean McManus (27:24)

you know being able to do this thing that I'm doing now because it gives me more time with them and it gives me more time with my wife so that's what I'm excited about.

Cam Hall (27:32)

Love it. I love it. Thanks for sharing. Sean, if there's a guy listening to this right now and he wants to learn more about you and what you do, where can he connect with you?

Sean McManus (27:41)

Yeah, so we're currently working on a website, but it's not there yet. So right now it's, as you said before, the social media, ⁓ Sean McManus on Facebook or ⁓ the Sean McManus on Instagram or Tik Tok.

Cam Hall (27:56)

Amazing. Very cool. Well, Sean, appreciate you. Appreciate you taking time away from your family to spend with us today. And I hope that you and your boys have a lot of adventures ahead.

Sean McManus (28:07)

I appreciate him and I have thoroughly enjoyed this conversation and I hope hopefully we impacted some guys today