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And now let's get into our recent conversation with Dr. Rommie Maxey.

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Dr. Maxey has recently joined the National Board of the American Racket Sports Association.

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He's trained almost 1500 players around the world.

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He's owned some clubs, a professional pickleball team, and has taken the time to talk to us about

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the pickleball industry and where it's going.

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Have a listen and let us know what you think.

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Who are you and why do we care?

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I wanted to know what I was to.

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Just being a former collegiate and professional athlete moving forward to being an athletic

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director for 20 years, and then at some point pickleball found me.

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And from that point on, it's been entrepreneurship with pickleball, a co-owner of the Houston

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Hammers, which is a professional team here in Houston associated with the senior pro circuit.

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I've done a number of things.

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Obviously, I am an influencer in the sport of pickleball.

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I found that out from my grandson.

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I had to ask him what an influencer was.

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But a lot of following him and enjoy the game.

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I'm speaking at five conventions this year, national conventions.

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Talking about a variety of things, some sponsorships to branding, to the VAIR rating system, to

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a variety of things.

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It was the future of pickleball, all those kinds of things that people want to know.

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It's just a fantastic and growing sport.

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I became very involved as a player.

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It's lucky enough to be a six-time national and silver champion, which allowed me to start

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training people.

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They wanted to know what are you doing.

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So that turned into 14,000 players now that I've trained and five national champions.

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So the training aspect gives me the opportunity now to Costa Rica, to Punta Cana.

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I've been going to Vietnam at the end of the next month.

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Then to Turks and Caicos.

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I've been to Jamaica doing various clinics and giving people the opportunity to share their

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love for pickleball on excursions and things of that nature as well.

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So that's kind of me and an entrepreneurial ship of pickleball, also own three indoor clubs.

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I get to sleep occasionally.

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I like the reminder.

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I'm doing a lot, especially at this point in my career.

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Now, a quick question.

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You own some clubs.

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You said the hammers, the Houston hammers, that speaks to me.

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We had a name for our Alta team, which Bobby, if that says anything to you, our double

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A2 Alta team had a name, we called ourselves the hammers.

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So we will let that speak for itself, whatever that says.

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So we can connect there and absolutely want to learn more about it.

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It's almost impossible in the time frame that we have to go through everything that you've

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done and everything that you've created.

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I would love to remind everybody or introduce you as the most recent addition to our national

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board for the American Racket Sports Association, because Dr. Maxey has agreed to help promote

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what we're doing in the sport of pickleball as an expert in that world, because Bobby and

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I come out of kind of purest tennis world.

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We understand that perspective.

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And pickleball has an entirely different view of the world.

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Would you put it that way?

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I mean, I think this works hand in hand.

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There's a lot of tennis players that get to a point in their tennis lives that maybe they

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want to convert over to pickleball, whether it be age restrictions and things that makes

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it maybe a little easier and a little less court to cover.

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I'm a former tennis player as well.

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So pickleball comes and becomes a pretty good transition.

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Of course, at this point now, pickleball is youth.

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I mean, the average age is 34 years of age.

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So the age just keeps coming down increasingly every year because of some of the young people

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playing the game now.

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You notice that in Cincinnati, I went on a trip with my family to meet our newly born

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granddaughter and we ended up at a three different pickleball facilities in the area and the public

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park.

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It was fascinating to see.

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It was all 20-somethings.

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That's all it was.

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It was packed with 20-somethings.

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And Bobby, you got a similar perspective at your club as to who you see on your pickleball

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courts?

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It was the big surprise.

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It wasn't the seniors or the older folks where it really resonated with the high school kids.

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I always equated.

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We played all the short kids who couldn't play basketball in a higher level, but still

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love basketball.

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We go wrong.

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And these kids are out there.

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This is their competitive outlet.

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And really, that's who really graphed on that.

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I don't think anybody really knew the dimensions of what it was going to happen there.

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It's chaos, but it's fun.

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Well, and the expansion now, of course, globally, just going to Vietnam, I think I mentioned,

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but Vietnam and Malaysia and the Philippines are just, it's just massive.

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I mean, literally tournaments, not every weekend, every day, they're having tournaments in those

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countries and just to see the growth is just beyond everybody's imagination of what could

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happen, I think.

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And I think that's just an testament to people wanting to get activity and movement and doing

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things that like you said, Bobby, maybe they can't play basketball, maybe they can't hit

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a curveball, you know, in baseball, maybe they can't do other things, but if they have some

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hand-eye coordination, it can still move, you know, and do some things that can have fun

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on the pickleball court.

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So I got to put in this, you know, I don't want to come off wrong here, but how did they

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play in Vietnam and is the game different just because I would think their orientation

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is coming more out of badminton and ping pong.

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So I would find it think it'd be a much more risky sport, which could make the ball go a lot

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faster.

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Well, you know, that's really a good question because when I'm teaching, you know, the number

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of people that I mentioned earlier that I've taught, one of the things that I tell folks

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is tennis is a good lead-in sport because you have the baseline skills, but the game of

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the pickleball becomes a more condensed portion when they get up to the kitchen line that people

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understand what I'm talking about and the dinking portion of it and then the complexities

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of the angles and all of those kinds of things in a closer proximity.

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And I always say, if you've got a ping pong background, once you get to the kitchen, you

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better start using your ping pong skills.

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And because I think that's a really good lead-in to pickleball rather than, you're not going

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to get away with playing baseline skills and pickleball.

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Sooner or later, you know, it's going to catch up to you and you won't be the player if

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you want to be.

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You have to learn all the new answers of the game.

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As a follow-up to Bobby's question, I want to ask, and this wasn't one of the things I

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was expecting to ask, but can you describe what is the industry like?

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I don't know how much experience you said.

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You said you're going to that area, but I don't know how much you know about it already

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or if you've been multiple times before.

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I know we have another board member, Chris Harradine, that has Benny just got back.

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He's in trains, coaches there.

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But is the industry different?

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Is it just the same thing there, just with their people, is it here, the country clubs and

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the facilities and the public areas?

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And what does pickleball look like there?

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Is it that different or is it the same?

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Not as much as the public side of it, but the clubs are growing and the private sources

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and things of that nature.

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It's just the massiveness of the people.

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And I call the European country, China and all the Asian countries have always been paddle

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sports, badminton.

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I mean, there's 250 million badminton players in China.

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Can you fathom that?

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I can't even, that doesn't compute, but 250 million badminton players in China.

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My point is, that's always been that type of sport.

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That's what they play.

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They're good at it.

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And so the growth of pickleball, the explosion has just led those people that played badminton

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or private played, maybe even played a little padel or have now transformed and gone

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in the pickleball and it's just massive growth.

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And it's fun to see in general because tennis is established.

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It's like the giant business that's been there forever.

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You see that slow moving machine.

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And I've said recently that it's difficult to make change.

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It's very tough to move that big of a ship and to take the traditions that are there.

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You have country club traditions, which are hard to change.

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And then you have the sport itself of tennis that's hard to change.

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So are we really surprised that tennis is a little bit stuck and fighting back and we

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say tennis as though it's a thing that has its own mindset.

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But pickleball, if we picture it as its own thing, doesn't even know what it is yet.

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It's basically a nine year old.

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Facts.

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That, you know, but all the country clubs are now realizing that rather than, you know,

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at first it was like this, right?

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Everybody was tennis player.

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No, but now all the country clubs are going, well, we're not really smart if we don't join

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hands at least.

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And so if they've got 20 tennis courts and there's four to six of them that are not being

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used on a regular basis, they're turning them into pickleball courts and creating that

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environment where we're working together.

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And it's, you know, I mean, it's all about monetization as far as air concern.

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Any country clubs wants to have the.

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And so when you have the tennis people starting to come to him and go, hey, we'd like to

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play pickleball as well.

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Okay.

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We'll turn courts 16 through 20 and the pickleball courts is just a smart one.

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Agreed.

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And Bobby, I know you want to ask your question because Bobby did his club, I say recently,

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it still feels recently you converted some tennis courts into pickleball and now is the

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monetization question, right, Bobby?

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Yeah.

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And that's, it seems like from the industry standpoint, absolutely what you're saying,

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do the clubs need it?

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Yes.

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You know, is it leading to new members not sure helping member retention?

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Absolutely not translating on the coaching side yet.

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And do you think that's just because we haven't, like you said, the average or median age is

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34.

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So everybody came in with a little bit of knowledge.

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We're not growing yet, even though the more it gets established and the more it becomes

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a mainstream sport, I think you'll start to see that.

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Obviously the kids will see it and start going into it and that will bring in the lesson

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revenue.

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But is that where we're at right now?

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Would you say that's a fair assessment?

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I do.

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I mean, I think, you know, it's up to the country clubs though to realize that need to start

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their junior programs in pickleball, just like they do their junior programs in tennis.

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In other words, make it available, make those youth programs available and let the kids

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choose if they want to play pickleball or they want to play tennis of that matter because

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the parents are already members of the club, right?

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So then they've got all these children and some of them push them towards the youth tennis

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because that's the only thing that was available at the time.

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But now if they have pickleball as well, there could be, you know, a shared responsibilities

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and then the monetization that they will come from that growth from the youth up.

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Are you really?

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Sorry, the Academy side looking at that, you just spoke of your demographic.

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You didn't say it specifically this time, but we don't mind saying it.

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Your demographic is a shorter than average demographic at your club.

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So they're not going to play basketball, even though they all do.

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Don't get me wrong.

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They're all down there on the basketball court.

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But should this not be the, okay, should my kid, he wants to go to vision one,

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and play tennis and you're like, your kid's going to be five, three, five, four, maybe pickleball

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is the way to go.

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This could easily be the, I don't know, call it the plan B for those that need that college

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resume option.

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I don't know that it really works in the same way, but it could easily build a junior development

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program at a club.

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That's what I'm curious about.

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You're outside of Houston, Dr. Maxey.

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Yes, I'm out of Houston.

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So, would you say your club is that's what's running the programming there is opposed to,

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we're very HOA driven.

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All of our neighborhoods have tennis courts and from that we developed out to, and now, as

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you said, the bigger neighborhoods are throwing in either permanent, you know, turning a couple

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tennis courts into pickleball courts or they have the lines down in temporary nets so

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you can use the tennis courts for pickleball as well.

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And if you, you know, and that's the interesting and difficult dynamic about Atlanta, we're

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spread out thing if somebody in the long lines we're saying, if somebody was to sit there

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and say a dedicated pickleball program, it can't be at every neighborhood.

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And that's the problem.

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We're limited because everybody has capacity issues, everybody has scalability issues, but

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I think, you know, in Atlanta, at least, we all need to get together and say, okay, there's

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five facilities. This is where we should concentrate on developing pickleball players.

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And you know, if it goes into tennis, great.

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The hard part is it's so against the culture here because the parents are so used to having

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tennis at their fingertips.

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They will drive a little further for their kids.

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They won't drive for themselves.

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They'll put up with anything in their own neighborhood.

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They will drive a little bit for their kids, but we always joke, you know, get your circumference

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out and make a circle eight miles.

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That's about as far as anybody's going in Atlanta.

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So it makes it challenging.

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And I think the club background has a better chance, you know, getting the head start.

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Let's put that with them.

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We do here.

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Well, and I don't know what Atlanta has done by the shirts pretty similar.

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Houston in the last four years has gone from one indoor pickleball facility dedicated

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to the strictly pickleball to relieve the nation now with 42 in four years.

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So we have 42 indoor complexes with anything from four to 20 indoor courts in these indoor

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complexes air conditioning because we're obviously eight months out of the year.

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You don't want to play outside if you can help it.

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Now, I've been good up to this point.

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I've said the most god awful climate on earth is Houston, Texas.

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So yeah, we know it.

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Atlanta is not far off at times.

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So we don't have your humidity.

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I lived in Texas.

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It's nothing like Houston.

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But yeah, so we've gone to 42 indoor complexes and they're all most of them are doing fine.

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And again, it's just the growth people want to play indoors.

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I'll be honest with you.

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I've played in Utah myself in a tournament a while back.

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I've played 98% of my play now indoors.

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I mean, why would I go outdoors?

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If it's, you know, it is a pickleball.

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Number one, it's a whiffle ball.

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So wind affects it.

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So it's, you know, 15 mile an hour wind.

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It's not a lot of fun, you know, because the ball is doing different things.

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If it's hot as heck, you know, it's not a lot of fun.

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If it's raining, obviously you can't play.

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You know, so the variety of things that are there is just driving pickleball because of

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the smaller court and you can put more courts into a particular facility.

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It's just driving the game indoors for the most part for most people.

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And it's been good.

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I mean, it's kind of fun to be able to go and get your court and play indoors and play

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for a couple of three hours.

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And then you can leave and call it a day if that's what they want to do.

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But that's the course of pickleball right now, I think.

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But the country clubs are all beginning to share courts now.

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I mean, it's their understanding that we need to share.

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I mean, I need to attend us and pick a ball.

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And this needs to be a shared cooperative.

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And I think that's what we're seeing around the country and at least in the United States.

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So Dr. Maxey, your uniqueness is obvious, which is one of our, kind of our next questions,

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is why are you unique?

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And it sounds like where you've come from, how far you've gone and everything that you've

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accomplished sounds amazing.

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And actually finding information on you online is not that easy.

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I know there's a list of accomplishments, but it's not like anyone has explained everything

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that you've done.

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Maybe it's just not possible.

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There's too much.

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But is there anything that you can tell us from an industry perspective?

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We talk a lot of tennis.

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We talk a lot of technology, business owners, but we don't get a lot of just pickleball

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where here's the industry.

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We could probably have a little bit of how to be a better coach.

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How do you take the convert?

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Because we have some that have left tennis completely been one of us for thousands of years.

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And all of a sudden said, pickleball is great.

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I'm in.

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You know, Frank Solana, Jim Carella, the guys that have just really made the switch and do

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that mostly.

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But what are you seeing in the industry?

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I know we talked about having the question that pickleball just received $225 million.

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But where does that money go?

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How does that work?

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What's actually happening in the pickleball world?

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The $225 million was an influx of money to the PPA, which is the professional pickleball

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association or the UPA, which is the umbrella organization for professional pickleball in

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that regard.

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And just to sustain what they're trying to accomplish on the professional tour.

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I mean, you now have several players on the pickleball tour that are making multiples

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of millions of dollars playing pickleball now, which is a few years ago is unheard.

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A lot of people didn't even know what pickleball was.

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And now you have athletes making a good number of athletes that are making good living,

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displaying pickleball on the pro tours.

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And there's two particular pro tours, the PPA and the APP.

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Those are the two association pickleball players that are out there.

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PPA is considered probably the top more top tier players.

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And the APP is maybe a little less, but still fantastic players.

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Many of them have converted from tennis, you know, Jack Sock and of course, Andre Agassi

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is just, he's taken pickleball under his wing all in now.

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He's doing pickleball slams and he played the number one female player in the world.

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And all these waters here, well, back for a million dollars.

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I mean, you know, that's just blowing up the sport.

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So to try to, you know, in a roundabout way, answer your question.

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That money is just an influx of money to continue the progress of the professional ranks of pickle

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ball and support the teams and stuff.

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A team to purchase in MLP, which is Major League pickleball, which is another segment under

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the umbrella of the UPA is, it costs 16 million dollars to buy a team now.

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To buy a team for the Major League pickleball.

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Much like if you were going to buy a WNBA team or something, they're not on the NBA or MLB,

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you know, Major League baseball or basketball, not on that level yet.

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But to buy, you know, a soccer team or by a professional women's basketball team, that's

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beginning to be that level.

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It costs, you know, around 15 to 16 million dollars to purchase a team to be in that league.

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That's significant.

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Bobby, Bobby, we're saving up our money.

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That's 80 each.

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We can pull that off.

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Who are we buying that from?

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Like, who owns the team to sell it?

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What does that look like?

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The PPA.

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That's the professional pickleball organization.

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That's the MLP Major League pickleball or the teams.

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So as the team concept, the PPA is the tournament concept where you go to the tournaments and

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all that, that kind of thing.

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But the MLP is strictly team concept so that you own a team of professional players.

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It's some of the same players obviously that are playing on the tournament circuit and

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the ones that are playing on the MLP as well.

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But I mean, they're building home complexes where they have training facilities and trainers

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and their Major League teams.

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I mean, they're being treated like Major League players that they are.

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We just spoke with the trainer of the bouncers here in Atlanta.

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The guy with the name of Brian Lee, they have a physical trainer that works with the team.

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And Bobby, did you know we had a professional pickleball team in the area?

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We should know this.

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We should know this.

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But I did not know this.

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And they're paid handsomely.

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Well, if they're bringing in that kind of revenue by existing and by doing what they

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do.

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Then yeah, hopefully the money's there and it's not just subsidized by big investors.

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At some point, Bobby's going to run through the business conversation on that one, right?

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Yeah, you just hit it.

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I mean, and that's, you always want to be careful that don't make the mistakes that other

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sports have made.

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You know, is this really because the quickest way to make money in professional sports

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is to franchise.

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So when you come up with a random number and say, okay, this team is worth $16 million,

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well, who benefits from that?

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So obviously we love expansion.

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It's the quickest way to raise your revenue.

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So you've got to be careful.

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Yeah, professional, the tennis store has the issues, monetarily with the smaller tournaments.

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Are these tournaments truly making money?

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Where?

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What is it?

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Because it's still not mainstream television yet.

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I can't imagine, you know, your rights fees are not anywhere near what a right fee is

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going to be for the US Open or Wimbledon.

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So are you feeling the stadiums?

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Last weekend they were on CBS TV, National TV all weekend.

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And that's, I mean, we're getting there, but I'm saying it, but there's still not comparable.

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I mean, you're talking to sustain what you're talking about and tennis struggles.

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So even with what they have, monetarily, they struggle.

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There's still only 100 players in the world, men and female making money in tennis.

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I mean, you know, that's the part that you don't want to see the other sports go down

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that same rabbit hole, rapid expansion.

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One of the things you brought up, I think, it was great because I think you start to see

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it here.

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Initially Atlanta was very dominated without door courts and we could probably go back

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to one of our, you know, we said the same thing.

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Don't make the same mistakes tennis made.

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I wanted this to be an indoor sport, make it special.

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If you're a country club, say we don't do it.

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You'd be better served to go to an indoor facility for all the reasons you talked about.

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And this way you're keeping on a business side of it.

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You're keeping the power.

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You know, tennis is free in Atlanta.

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It's a tough business model because of the way Alta became the phenomenon.

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We don't play tennis in Atlanta.

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We play Alta.

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Alta so dominates that as we explained in the past, culturally speaking, developers come

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in, build two tennis courts that are lighted with access to a bathroom so the facility can

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be deemed out to playable.

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So this, you know, this is something for your neighborhood to do.

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It's a unbelievable phenomenon and that's why we have 60,000, you know, people playing tennis

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in a league and it's been a little slow, you know, getting comparatively speaking.

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Everybody's like, when it's pickleball, when it's pickleball, well, you know, this is 50 years

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into making Alta.

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Give pickleball little time.

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Let's not make the mistakes.

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Let's do this inside.

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Like you said, let's get into the clubs.

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Let's do the, as I said, Alta is a glorified bowling league.

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I'm originally from New York.

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The least of called is bowling.

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They make pickleball even more glorified and say, hey, it's great because you're getting exercise.

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Now we're bowling.

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You really won't get any exercise.

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These pickleball, you are getting exercise.

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You're getting a workout.

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So there's nothing wrong with saying we're playing it inside.

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We're playing it in air conditioning.

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And by the way, there's a bar over there.

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I'm going to be here if I so choose.

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Yeah, that's, that's my fear.

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It's like, where is this money coming from other than, as Shaun said, because I just heard

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something with the WNBA.

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It's outrageous.

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Out nine figure in millions of the franchises worth.

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And that's because it subsidized.

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There's no justification that for that whatsoever if you really want to crunch numbers.

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Right.

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No, I mean, I get where you're coming from, Bobby.

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I think it comes from the fan participation that's taking place now and in some of the,

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a lot of the events that are going on.

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Plus the fact that, you know, and Shaun alluded to it too, you've got numbers of professional

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athletes that are buying teams of other sports.

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You know, you've got Tom Brady's and Drew Brees' and the football aspect.

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And you've got the Torelloans and just on, on words of people like that, LeBron James

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is, you know, all those people are buying into pickleball because they're playing pickleball.

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Plus on the side or having fun, it's easier to put a pickleball court in your backyard for spacewise.

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So you're seeing that phenomenon around the country that everybody's just filling in their

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swimming pools and putting in a pickleball court because they're not using the pool, but they

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will use the pickleball court.

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So, honey, call Mike Emburnone.

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We're putting a pickleball court in the back.

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Yeah, we got a floating pickleball court.

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I know how to get a floating pickleball court.

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We can do it in the pool.

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I mean, that's, yeah.

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We've got to ride in the pool.

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Here you go.

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I'm floating.

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I love it.

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I mean, I have a, I have a close friend who is in the pickleball construction business and

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now she has put in, you know, these 41 facilities.

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I said that have grown in the last four years in Houston.

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She's been a part of many of those.

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However, her red and butter comes from the seven million people in the Houston proper

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area that are putting in pickleball courts.

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And their house is because they can, you can't, so many yards, you can't put a thinnest

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court in.

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I mean, they might like to have one, but it's just not possible, but you can put a pickleball

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court in.

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So they'll put basketball goals on both end, put the pickleball court in the middle.

468
00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:27,280
And now you've got a really nice recreational area in your backyard.

469
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:34,120
So that phenomenon again alone is just creating that environment.

470
00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:37,720
You become the most, you're the most light person in the neighborhood.

471
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:42,440
You got a good or bad, right, Bobby?

472
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,200
But you better have a pool in Houston.

473
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:50,440
Let me tell you, you better have, oh, exactly for after the pickleball.

474
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:55,480
Well, Dr. Maxey, I'm sure we can talk for four hours and probably what we'll have to do

475
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,080
is just make this a recurring, recurring episode.

476
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,840
We'll come back and do this once a quarter or so.

477
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:05,480
If Bobby is good and we've done a good initial conversation, we've covered quite a bit and

478
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,680
who you are and why we care and your uniqueness and the things you've done.

479
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,720
One quick thing I want to do, even though it's going to push us over time, I want to ask

480
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,720
about the rating system you're involved with.

481
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:16,720
Can you tell us about that?

482
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:22,640
Yes, the VAIR rating system is a rating system and I want to make this very clear and that's

483
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:27,200
one of the reasons I'm really excited to be involved with the American Racket Sports

484
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:33,240
Association is because there is also going to be the Racket Sports, Total Racket Sports

485
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:34,240
rating system.

486
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:39,760
They're in the pickleball space right now, but they're going to be with badminton, ping pong,

487
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,960
padel, all of those systems they'll be working with.

488
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:51,520
It's a better rating system and has age built in and has gender mixed, which are all different

489
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,440
levels of play.

490
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:59,720
People don't have a 50 player, we can talk tennis or pick a ball either one, it doesn't matter.

491
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:05,760
50 player at 60 years of age is not the same as a 50 player at 30 years of age, sorry, but

492
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,920
we'd like to think so, but it's not true.

493
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:14,400
We're not going to be, and we might get a point or two here and there, but we're not going

494
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:15,400
to beat them.

495
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:16,640
And so age is important.

496
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:23,360
I think I would like to know my 50 tennis player at 60 and when I'm playing 60-year-olds,

497
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:24,880
I'm okay with that.

498
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,320
I'm not a 50 player when I'm playing a 30-year-old.

499
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:28,640
That's facts.

500
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:35,360
And so that built into our algorithms, it's a great avenue for people to get to a better

501
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,040
rating system than probably what's available out there right now.

502
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:43,480
And that's what we're not trying to replace anybody, just want to give an option.

503
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,680
So we'll follow up with that as well, because we want to make sure people know about that.

504
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:55,280
I had not heard of VAIR, and you can virtually assess international rating.

505
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,720
That's what it looks like.

506
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,240
And it's a rating system.

507
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:01,600
So there are others out there.

508
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,640
We've got some relationships with some of the others as well.

509
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,160
Yeah, Dr. Maxey is intimately involved.

510
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:12,880
He's will send all questions your way because Bobby and I have no idea what you're talking

511
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:13,880
about at this point.

512
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,640
So we're going to have to solve ourselves caught up on how to do it.

513
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:17,640
It all works.

514
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,200
It's a similar rating system to tennis.

515
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:20,800
I mean, it's all related.

516
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:26,280
I mean, you've got your levels of, and the pickleball is very similar.

517
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,120
But Dr. Maxey, you are in Houston.

518
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:32,040
You can go to the tennis simulator.

519
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:33,040
Have you been there yet?

520
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,040
I have not.

521
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,680
I know of it, but I haven't been there.

522
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,480
I'll see those folks.

523
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,840
Go see Craig there, trying to get one here.

524
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:44,080
I think it's, but, you know, they're trying to build, because that was my big thing.

525
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,080
You know, I'm going to talk about golf simulators, opposed to tennis.

526
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:51,280
I always say the good part about golf simulator, you can walk out with a score.

527
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,280
Tennis, you just walk out with a workout or you learn.

528
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,560
But all these algorithms can be built in to the simulators.

529
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:02,760
And this simulator is the role's voice of simulators.

530
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:03,760
It's great.

531
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,800
They're looking for creative partners.

532
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,880
And I love the idea that they literally have, you know, a warehouse where they, I think

533
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:14,200
they have three or four of these set up where you go in and, you know, rent court on

534
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:15,280
essentially.

535
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,480
So, and I know I think I'm pretty sure it's pickleball.

536
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:19,480
They can change it over.

537
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,560
So, yeah, that would be a good contact to go see the tennis simulator people.

538
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:28,920
Nice lady, the lady who's founded it is an ophthalmologist by, you know, the person,

539
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:29,920
Bobby?

540
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,920
Yes, I'll send it to you.

541
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,960
I'll send you a, so I can look him up and you miss you out.

542
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:36,960
I'll be glad to hear it.

543
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:37,960
You're in the city.

544
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,880
Yeah, I'd like to send you just a report because I flipped.

545
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,120
Bobby wants to know.

546
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:43,120
I don't tell you.

547
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:44,120
I don't have a key.

548
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,120
Now I want to go check it out.

549
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:47,120
I'm going to go.

550
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,560
I mean, I'm, I'm, you know, I'm in Northern Texas, guys.

551
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,040
So coming to Houston is a hard detour.

552
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,560
But I'm like, okay, can I go for a homecoming and go south afterwards?

553
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:57,560
That would be fun.

554
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:58,560
They ever, they're playing.

555
00:31:58,560 --> 00:31:59,560
Yeah.

556
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,280
I mean, it really looks like a great piece of equipment.

557
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:04,280
I want to see that.

558
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,280
That's, that'd be great.

559
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:10,720
And we'll get all that connected and all those connections like Bobby's, Bobby's going

560
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:15,160
to send a bunch of, a bunch of things your way, Dr. Maxey, make sure you know and we'll obviously

561
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,160
try to know as much as we can about the industry.

562
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:19,880
And I appreciate you sharing with our audience.

563
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:26,040
But at this point, love to ask our final question and kind of get your perspective from this.

564
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,720
We ask our king of pickleball question.

565
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,360
And it can be on any scale.

566
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,680
It can be local to Houston, the United States.

567
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:39,240
It can be the whole world, the universe, professional amateur from any perspective.

568
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:45,720
If you were king of pickleball, is there anything you would do or change?

569
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,040
King of pickleball.

570
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:54,120
Well, the biggest thing is, is the challenge has been most recently of people not wanting

571
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:59,320
to be in an environment where their rating goes up or down.

572
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:04,920
But they play with their friends, they want to protect their rating and then I'm kind of

573
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:11,180
getting back to VAIR a little bit because we've segregated on the course because they're

574
00:33:11,180 --> 00:33:14,680
afraid to use their score to play people.

575
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,640
And that's just, that's not why the game started.

576
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,080
But there, and it doesn't matter what sport we're even talking about.

577
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:27,160
It was about learning how to play and the camaraderie and the social aspects and the fun.

578
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,840
And we've taken that away a little bit by, well, I'm not playing with you because if you put

579
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:35,800
that score in, you know, I could, you know, get my, and that's not what's about.

580
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:40,840
I mean, I go into these clubs that we're talking about in Houston and if a beginner comes

581
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,440
up to me and says, Hey, would you play a game with me?

582
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:44,440
And I said, Sure.

583
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:50,480
I mean, I'm never going to worry about whether they put a rating or something.

584
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:56,280
And I'm not that person is going to, and I tell people all the time, we were all beginners

585
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,760
at some point, we were all beginners.

586
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,480
Someone had to show us.

587
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:06,880
Someone had to be kind enough to lead us into that game and bring us to it and get a passion.

588
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:12,160
So if I was King of Pickleball, I would just try to work really hard into making sure everyone

589
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:16,960
still feels comfortable in playing where people have the environment that they can go in

590
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:23,120
and share that love of the game and the passion and not worry about their rating that there

591
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,760
might be used against them at some point.

592
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:30,560
So I guess that would be the King of Pickleball.

593
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:37,760
Bobby, he encourages the use of a rating system and then says the rating system is part

594
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,560
of the problem.

595
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:44,200
Well, but ready for tech already looking all those former tennis players, that's, that's

596
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,560
who I heard when you were, they don't want to lose.

597
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,440
I'm like, well, that's why they left tennis.

598
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,120
They plateaued and, you know, they went to think of all they were kings in the beginning

599
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:53,840
and now everybody's catching up.

600
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:59,000
You know, when Jack Sock entered Pickleball, that Pickleball game changed dramatically because

601
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,680
that man hits the ball very, very hard.

602
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,120
No matter what he's hitting.

603
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:08,120
So it's a completely different game and now, and I completely agree with you because, and

604
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:13,560
I know that's one of the big stall points obviously in tennis is we're so segregated and

605
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:19,760
everything's a level, you know, I do drills at my club and people still, you know, well,

606
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,840
she's, they don't belong.

607
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:27,800
It's a club where neighbors first, you know, it's amazing, and especially, here's a great

608
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,000
part about Pickleball.

609
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,520
You took out the most difficult part of tennis.

610
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,080
You don't serve.

611
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:39,200
So you've really changed the dynamic of the game.

612
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,120
Everybody just played like you said, same with basketball.

613
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,800
It was, you know, who's next?

614
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,160
Okay, jump in the court.

615
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:46,840
And if you're not good, guess what happens?

616
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,280
You'll lose.

617
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,640
And then you've got to sit again until you get to play again.

618
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:55,080
And if you want to get better, you practice, you know, hit the nail on the head, but shine

619
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:59,080
getting back to your comment into the minute ago, that's one of the things that VAIR does

620
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:00,080
differently.

621
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:04,480
They have a recreational rating where you can just have fun and it doesn't count against

622
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,640
your verified rating or your certified rating.

623
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,160
So there's two different ratings.

624
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:15,200
So if you want to go out on the court and play with some lesser level players, it doesn't

625
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:16,200
affect your rating.

626
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,320
So that's kind of the beauty of it.

627
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,560
I'd like to mute my rating right now.

628
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:22,600
I'm just playing for fun.

629
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:23,600
I didn't mean it.

630
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:24,600
Can you do it afterwards?

631
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,760
Like when I leased a Bobby, I'm like, oh, no, I'll just kidding.

632
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,280
That was just for fun.

633
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,280
Absolutely.

634
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:32,280
Shaun, I was impressed.

635
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,160
I thought you were setting up for that great answer.

636
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,680
I was like, see, that's what you can tell Shaun does some homework with the guests.

637
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:41,440
And he knew the answer was he was feeding you a good answer right there.

638
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,880
I was a good lead in.

639
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,960
We've been working on that.

640
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,800
I was thinking he did his homework.

641
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,880
I was impressed with that.

642
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,280
This is not hard hitting Journalism people.

643
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:57,320
This is us making you look good and bringing out your competency.

644
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,640
But Dr. Maxey, that's obviously easy with you because like I said, you know what you're

645
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:02,640
talking about?

646
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:07,400
We appreciate you sharing everything that you know and everything that you've done.

647
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:11,720
We love seeing all that in 14,000 people you've trained.

648
00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:13,040
That's an amazing number.

649
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:19,440
And that says a lot about the industry and what people can become because you didn't go

650
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:20,440
into the world.

651
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:25,000
You didn't come into the world saying, I'm going to be a pickleball trainer.

652
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,160
It's something like you said earlier.

653
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,880
I think you said pickleball found me.

654
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,800
And I think that's really important for people to realize Bobby and I were the same way a

655
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,120
few years ago.

656
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,280
People were asking us about pickleball and we said, we're go tennis.

657
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:38,880
Pickleball will present itself.

658
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,200
It will be here when it needs to be here.

659
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,560
Right now we're not actively seeking it.

660
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,200
But I'm pretty sure Bobby pickleball is here.

661
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:47,760
Oh, I think it's here.

662
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,280
Dr. Maxey, please come see us.

663
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:50,440
You're two roads away.

664
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,280
You get on 20 to your head 85.

665
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,000
You're in Atlanta.

666
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,200
I'm a Southwest flat away.

667
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:57,200
Even better.

668
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:58,200
Even better.

669
00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:59,200
I'm an A-lister.

670
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:00,200
Trust me.

671
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:01,720
He's been on a few flights.

672
00:38:01,720 --> 00:38:02,720
Well gentlemen, thank you so much.

673
00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:04,000
I appreciate your time.

674
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,920
Bobby, as always, I appreciate it.

675
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,920
Dr. Maxey, thank you so much for being here.

676
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:08,920
We will be in touch.

677
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:09,920
Thank you, gentlemen.

678
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,320
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