Everybody welcome back to another edition of the Daily Bible Podcast. It's Friday, and for most of our families, I think in the church. This was the last day of school for the kiddos before Christmas break, so happy Christmas break to all of the kids out there. They're, no longer in class, at least those that are in, public school, things like that. I know some of the homeschool families have different schedules, different routines. But I know my kids were super excited that, today's the last day they even tried to get out of going today. But we did not permit that. We said, no, you, you gotta go to the last day of school. They're only there for half the day and all they're doing is watching movies. Well, so Prosper. ISD got rid of half days this year. Oh, so they're doing whole days. They're doing all whole days across the board. Well, you know, no one's doing work. Oh, for sure. So why do they have to go? I, when I'm with your kids? Should let 'em stay home. Yeah, so they were sick recently and they missed some school for being sick, and so we're kind of, well, this is a great day for them to catch up at home. It in their pajamas. It could be, they're not gonna do anything today. See? This is not helping my parenting. I'm trying to help you out. You're gonna score big points when you say, all right guys, you're gonna stay home for the first four hours. You're gonna do so much schoolwork, it's gonna fall out your nose. Okay? And then we're gonna watch Buddy the elf and eat pancakes. Yeah. The second half of the day, we'll see. And they're gonna say, dad, you are the best dad. Best dad we've ever had. Best and only. Yeah. Anyways, man, it's a fun time of year. I love this time of year. It is busy though. I always think, oh man, the fall's gonna slow down. We've got Christmas coming up end of the year, but it doesn't, man. This is busy season. It's busy for church, it's busy for life. It's busy running errands. It's a crazy time of year. So, it's, uh, it's the most wonderful time of year. It is, as some people say it is, but you're busy. It is. It's true probably that I think it's true that things really don't slow down as you get older. Things just change the energy shifts where you normally put it to where you now put it. So I don't know if I expect things to slow down ever, really, and I kind of don't want it to. I do need periods of reprieve and rest, but I do enjoy the hustle and bustle. As long as, and this is the big caveat, as long as I can enjoy it, I'm in presence and I can be part of the thing and feel like I'm, I'm not just going through the motions, but actually doing the thing. Fair. Yeah. I'm with you. Yeah. Okay. A couple things before we jump into it. Okay. Number one Ahmad Al Ahmad was not a Christian. Okay. Lots of places said that he was, and I guess this is what happens when you look at the new cycle. Early things get fuddled, and it wasn't true apparently. So it seems like the official narrative, the fact checkers have deduced that this guy was in fact a Muslim. And praise God for his work, whether he was Muslim or Jewish or Christian or something in between. I really don't care. He still played the man, and what he did was so good. Yeah, and honorable. We don't care what his background is. We do care about facts, which is why I wanted to let you know. I've since found that out. And who knows, maybe in a week they'll be like, oh, actually. Actually he was a Christian actually, and we, who knows? I don't know. That's the latest I've heard. It seems like that's been the prevailing narrative. So I'm just gonna go with that and just say mea culpa. Okay. Secondly, we have a question from somebody. Yep. I think sparked. Probably from maybe a couple episodes ago now where I encouraged everybody to do the Bible reading program that their church is doing. I didn't qualify it, I didn't nuance it, and that's probably good because it got some people thinking, okay, here's the question. What level of authority do you all that is pastors have over your congregants? For example, if you tell us we should read our Bible daily, does that create a qualitatively different demand on our lives than if a non-paper friend tells us the same thing? If so, in what ways is it different? Okay. I thought this was an insightful question. I would love for you to take a stab at it and maybe, maybe nuance or qualify what I said a couple days ago. 'cause I know we have several people Sure. Who track with us who are not doing what their church is doing. Or at least I know they're doing this with us. Yeah. And maybe, I don't know whether or not they're doing whatever they're. Home church is doing. So talk about those things. Yeah. So the writer of Hebrews says that we should submit to our pastors and submit to them in such a way that it makes their job a joy. I think what's implied there in that charge from the writer of Hebrews is that we should be in a church where we really trust our pastors leadership. So it is a voluntary submission, right? I mean, you have the freedom. To choose to be a part of our church or to choose to be a part of a Methodist church or to choose to be a part of a Presbyterian church. There's a freedom that you possess to say, I am freely choosing to attend this church and submit myself to the pastoral care and the shepherding authority of these men. If that is the case, then I would answer his initial question. Do pastors have a different level of authority than your friend who also says, read the Bible? I would say yes. And evidenced by the fact that you are willingly choosing to put yourself and perhaps if you have a family, your family under the care of these shepherds. So you're entrusting yourself to their authority in their spiritual oversight. And so as such you are saying, you know what? I'm gonna trust their direction, their leadership, their guidance. Now does that give the pastor. What the Catholic church would say of the Pope, which is the power of ex cathedra, that what the pastor says has the same authority and binding authority as that of scripture. I think I would stop there because churches are led by sinful men and there are going to be times that pastors with even good intentions can make something that's maybe a tier three issue a higher priority or an issue that is more of an issue of conscience, but. Generally speaking, I would say yes. If your pastor says do this, then I would expect that you're in a church where you can trust your pastor's authority and integrity enough to say, yeah, I'm gonna do that. And is that different than your friend Steve who says, Hey, you should read the Bible every day. And I would say yes in part because of what we're even gonna read in Titus in a little bit later on today in our Bible reading, where God has given your pastors as your spiritual authorities, your spiritual leaders, and they are the shepherds that are caring for you. So I would say, yes, there's a different level of authority. Where does that level of authority start and end? In other words, you can. Tell me in a sermon, uh, I want you to, here's a good one. This is a recent one. You should date your wives. And when you give the moral imperative, point number two, point number three, whatever love your wife like Christ loves the church, and one of your subpoints is treat her in this way. Take her out, date her by her flowers. Things like that. Do I have to do that? Am I now bound by conscience and by scripture to say I should do this thing that Pastor PJ told me to do? I would say by and large, yes. And if you are in a position where you would find yourself at odds or feeling tension or friction on a regular basis with what your pastors are telling you to do, or the points they're making in their sermons, that's probably a good indication that maybe you're not in the right place, you're not in the right church. I think that the litmus test is what they're asking me to do or what they're charging me to do is a biblical, is it a biblical application of the text being taught, being preached? And if it is, then I would say, man, I'm gonna trust that my pastors care about me, love me enough that they're prayerfully preparing these sermons. They're thinking about helpful ways for us to take the truth of God's word and apply it. And they think that this is really gonna be for the good of me, my family, my wife, my marriage, my kids and the good of the church for the glory of God. So. In that sense, I would say, yeah, there's reasons why we labor to think through application points. It's not just so that people would be like, oh yeah that's fine, but I'm gonna continue to just ignore that and do what I'm doing so. That being the case. Then Jonathan Lehman wrote a book called The Rule of Love, in which he distinguishes two kinds of authority, and the one side he says, there is authority of command. Authority of command, and there's authority of counsel On the command side, he talks about parents and the government, the government. Doesn't bear the sword in vain so they can command you to do things. And if you don't obey those commands, there can be consequences. And the same with parents. They can authoritatively tell their kids, I want you to do this, and if you don't, there's consequences. He argues that in the church, that pastors and elders have authority of counsel where they can tell you, here's what I think you should do, given what scripture says. And it's still a command, but it's. It's less in a less binding. It's less binding, I guess, is a good way to put it. And that the actual authority resides in the church corporately and not the pastors. What would you say to that? I see the distinction. I can understand that. If somebody, comes back and is like, Hey, pastor Pia, you preach that message and you said we should date our wives and I just wanna let you know I appreciate that and I'm not doing that. I don't think that's grounds for church discipline. I don't think that was what I was getting at. Right. I don't think You're not gonna pursue di So is it not binding then? It's. It's the, the spirit, maybe it's the spirit letter of the law. It's, it's the principle behind it. It's if you're not sitting under pastoral care, where you're walking away with things that you're saying, you know, he exposited the text and told me this is what. I should be doing with this text, and I see that, and so I'm gonna go do that. If that's not your goal, then what is your goal in being in that church to begin with? What is your picture of what a pastor's job is? It's not just simply to make you a smarter Christian and give you more biblical knowledge. I think the pastor's job is that he's gonna help you understand the Bible and understand how to live it out. And so if that's your approach coming to it, then there should be a surrendered authority to that man who's in the pulpit to say, I'm gonna follow your lead. I'm gonna do what you're calling me to do on this because I trust that. You have my best interest at heart, which is my christlikeness, and this is really what church is about. This is why I'm here. What if Christians, by and large, what they see in the pulpit is. Kind of a spiritual coach. I look up to your life. I look up to your leadership and I generally agree with the things that you say but maybe the way that you're describing the pastor parishioner relationship is different than the way that maybe most people see it, which is you're kind of a coach and you're giving us instructions, and here's the plays that you could run that are really gonna make a difference in your life. But at the end of the day, I'm gonna choose whether or not I wanna do that, because who, after all. Is listening to all of your sermons and putting everything that you say into practice. And they would even maybe say, do you even put everything you say into practice? And of course the answer is, none of us do. So deal with that mentality. I think that's probably the overriding sentiment of most Christians. Yeah. I started with Hebrews only get back to Hebrews in the latest quote, Hebrews 1317. Obey your leaders and submit to them for, they're keeping watch over your souls as those who will have to give an account. The writer's pretty clear there that there's a distinction there. There is an obligation for the church to obey their pastors and to submit to their leadership. So that would imply that it is a greater level of authority than just simply a coach or a trainer who's like, Hey, I think this would be a good thing for you to pursue, to get better in this area. I think there is a recognition, okay, no, God has put this person over my life. To shepherd me towards a greater christlikeness. And he's called me to obey my leaders. And again, if you're in a church where you would say, I feel like I can't do that, then you're not in the right church. I'm asking questions 'cause I'm willing to bet lots of people who are hearing this are probably saying, this is not the way that I think about it. There's probably lots I do and would say, yeah, this makes perfect sense. Okay, you're saying something that's probably brand new for a lot of us. Hebrews 13 is one passage. But the gist that I get from most churches is, Hey man, this pastor's your friend. Uh, you know, you don't call him pastor so and so, he's Bob or he's John, or whatever, and, you know, he's not wearing a collar. Is, it really that important to treat him in that specific way? I mean, maybe that's even a question that we have to, is, does that mean I have to treat him differently? Do I have to, I don't know. Do I have to bow when I see him? Do I, I mean. Clarify some of the ways that this role functionally works. That is like, let's just say on a Sunday you go to church on Sunday. What does it look like then to engage in this kind of this kind of leadership parishioner dynamic that you're referring to? Yeah. We have to recognize that the New Testament does distinguish pastors and elders from the flock. And not in a way that would say they're better. They're uber Christians. They are super people, and they're better than you are and there's a qualitative superiority to them, but rather they have a role and an authority that is given by God for them to cure for you. That is different than the other parishioners in the church. We see that in Titus one. We see that in one Timothy three. We see that in one Peter chapter five. In the instructions given to elders, elders and pastors are called to exercise oversight. So there is a level of authority and we recognize that level of authority. In other places, like when you go to college or when you go to seminary, you go to grad school. When you're in college, you're in a classroom and the person at the front of the room, if they have a. Degree if they've got a doctorate, or even if they don't, you're gonna refer to them as professor such and such. It's a term of respect that doesn't sit there and say, well, here I am a lowly peon and you're the professor and so I need to grovel before you. That's not the mentality, but it's like, I respect the role that you're in. So I'm gonna call you professor, professor Smith. I've got a question. Can you answer this for me? You go to seminary, same thing. A lot of times you've got different degrees there, so, that's why, you know, when we refer to each other, even you and I talking about each other, or Pastor Mark, we will say, pastor Rod. Pastor Mark, pastor pj. Yeah. And in the office, you ask us to call you Lord. We've been doing that, Dr. Lord. Actually, Dr. Lord pj, it's worked out okay so far. Let's abundantly clear. I do not ask for them. And it's really just because of, and it cuts both ways. It's the, it's us. Showing deference to the role. And it's also good for us as pastors to hear people refer to us that way because it reminds us of the responsibility that we have to fulfill the role of the pastor to carry these things out, to do these things. So, that's some of the distinction I think that exists between the shepherds, the elders, the pastors, the overseers, and the congregation on a regular basis, on a weekly basis, on a Sunday would be similar to when you are a student in a classroom. You've got your professor up there, you're gonna show them that deference there because you're gonna recognize they've got a role to play, they've got a job to do in the church. It's just. They're not concerned with making you just smarter. They're concerned with your christlikeness. And so that's going to factor into their shepherding of you, their pursuit of you, the discipline, the preaching, the teaching the counseling application of the text. All of those things are gonna come out in that role that they have. This is such a large topic. We want to comprehensively deal with all the questions that you have. I'm sure there's lots of follow ups, but man, there's so much in the scriptures that speak to this, and we're only talking about one side, your side, namely, there's another side to this entirely, which is what's the quality in the character of the pastor? What should he be like? To warrant that level of respect and leadership. And we have talked about that in some respects in the men's Bible study where we covered the qualifications of elders. But let me just leave you with a couple texts here just to have you percolate on these things for what scripture says. First Thessalonians five 13. We ask you brothers to respect those who labor among you and are over you in the Lord. And they admonish you and to esteem them very highly in love because of their work. To finish what you read in Hebrews 1317, to obey your leaders and submit to them, that's one of my favorite passages because it talks about both the action and the attitude, obey and submit. There's a humble submission a willing submission to their leadership. And to do this, let them do this with joy. Because it's not an advantage to you if they're grumpy and they're upset or cynical. We think there is a qualitative difference in the kind of leadership you're pastor exercises that you elect to. Invite into your life and the leadership that a friend recommends to you. Pastor's word is different. Again, going back to our Bible reading plans, we would recommend that if your pastors are saying, Hey, we want you to do this plan with us, you should do that unless there's a good reason not to. There's always gonna be the exceptions and the buts and what ifs. And those are always there. And I hope that you always understand that as I'm teaching you I'm recognizing there's always. What ifs and buts, but if we always use the exceptions to talk about what we're talking about, we're never gonna say anything concretely. So hopefully you all heard that. We try to do our best to lead you. Our listeners who many of them, many of you guys are congregants. Yep. And some of you are not. We're always willing to have conversations like this. Thank you for asking that question. That was so helpful. Give us an opportunity to talk about some of these things that we really haven't fleshed out very much. Are we planning on talking about ecclesiology and church and how leaders and all that stuff works at any time soon? We are actually turn of the year, so we're gonna finish up. The Christmas series and then I've got a message for the 28th That's kind of more of a one-off message. Then you're gonna be preaching 'cause I'm gonna be outta town. And then I'll be back and we'll have three weeks that we're gonna talk about specifically ecclesiology in the church as we finish up January. And then when we get to February, we'll be back into first Peter. Okay. So yeah. We'll, we'll, so what does that put, is it like four sermons in on ecclesiology? Uh, yeah. Four to six. Yep. 12. Yep. 18,018. Yep. Could have spent a lot of time. Yeah. Yeah. Well, speaking of ecclesiology, and let me echo that. If you've got questions please write 'em in. It's sometimes just on the podcast, it's harder because it's a one-way venue of communication. But if there's things that aren't clear, writing the questions podcast that compass x.org, we'd be happy to clarify answer questions that you've got there. But Warren, in Titus, which does deal with ecclesiology, it's another of the pastoral epistles, and Paul is writing to Titus, who we find out in Galatians was a Gentile. We find out here in Titus. Chapter one verse four, potentially even led to faith by Paul himself, maybe even one of those that Paul saw come to faith during one of his earlier missionary journeys. He's writing this in between his imprisonments, his Roman Imprisonments probably from the area of Macedonia there, and he's writing him to charge him to put what remains in order. This is chapter one, verse five. So this is similar. In intent to, I think what he writes in one Timothy when he charges Timothy to stay behind an Ephesus, that he might combat false teaching, but also so that he might. Instruct people as how they ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church, the pillar of In butchers of the Truth here, he's gonna deal with a lot of the same subjects. In chapter one. He's gonna deal with the qualifications for an elder, which it's probably worth pointing out the one qualification there that does create some. Questions and that is that the elders should have children who are, and the ESV translates it as believers. And we touched on this last year, so we don't need to belabor it necessarily, but I think the better translation is children who are faithful. The Greek word there, which is pestis, can mean either believers or faithful. And I believe the is faithful is a better translation because the qualification of an elder to ensure that his children are Christians. You've got a lot of baggage in questions that come along with that, for example. When is the cutoff of that? You've got children who are young growing up in the home. At what point do they need to be Christians by for that elder to continue to serve? Then you've got children who are gonna be faithful and raised without being rebellious and debauched in the house. But you know what? They're not going to come to faith in Christ during the 18 years that they're at home with that elder. Does that mean that he's not qualified even though his children are submissive and not prone to the charge of debauchery or misbehavior or anything else like that? I think there's a lot of baggage, not the least of which is a man doesn't have the power to save his own children. If he did, we would all have children who are all walking with the Lord from the earliest age possible. And so I think the better translation here is children who are faithful, meaning they're kept in submission. They're not reckless, they're not rebelling against the authority of mom and dad. And the reason that's. A qualification is because if a man has children like that, number one, it calls into question his ability to really care for the church. And number two, it's gonna distract him from the job that he needs to do, which is to care for the church. And so if a man has a situation where children are openly rebelling it. That's not a permanent disqualification, but it might be a seasonal disqualification where a man steps down from a period of time from being a pastor, being an elder, to tend to his home before coming back in and resuming his role in that capacity. But yeah, chapter one, dealing with a lot of the qualifications and then the need for that so that they might. Protect the church and he talks about those that are challenging the church and even leading entire families astray, and how the elders were to step in and rebuke them and contradict what they were teaching. Yeah, I think it's important going back to the children of believers. I think the principle that work here is so simple that it's often overlooked because it's like, oh, I don't think that's part of the equation here, and it's, if you can't be faithful and little, what leads you to think that you'll be faithful and much, if you can't be faithful with your two or five or seven kids, what leads you to think that you'll be faithful with 200 or 600 kids? Right? It's really quite simple. I think that's what's happening here, and the pastor's family life is one of the first. Tier qualifiers for whether or not he's able to lead a larger gathering of believers and still even after he's entrusted with the larger gathering of believers, he's still called to be faithful to his family. That never changes. These qualifications are not a one-time thing where you check the box and move on. They're continued qualifiers, which is why someone can disqualify themselves from the office by doing something silly. Hopefully you're reading between the lines there. But just to go back to our prior conversation, this section here, title one is so important for you to know because this is what you should be looking for in your pastors. This is really a baseline for the kind of thing that you should expect. These qualifications have an elementary, a. Application to themselves, but they're also the kind of qualifications that can grow in beauty and complexity and robustness. So you wanna see these in the life of your pastors, and if you don't, it's probably worth asking, is this the right place for me? Yep. Chapter two, he gets into body life in the church. He addresses various. Categories here. Older men, older women, younger men, younger women in how they should all interact with each other. And I love the way that God has created the church to be this tapestry where we are able to learn from one another and where the older in the church can set the example ideally for those who are younger and teach different life skills and different life skills through the lens of the gospel. And then he finishes up chapter two talking about that gospel and the fact that the gospel is not just. They're to save us by grace, but also to train us by grace so that we would be living lives of godliness and holiness in this present age while we await the return of Christ. So this is just a reminder that the church is meant to be life on life. It's community, it's family, and it's. Family that are all bent towards the same thing, which is growing in Christ's likeness, which is a fruit that the gospel is to produce in us here in chapter two. I love what he says in verse 14 that we are to be zealous for good works. That is that we're not passive, we're not complacent, we are zealous for good works. That's what. Jesus himself gave himself to redeem. He wanted to purify for himself a people for his own possession. That is people that belong to him, people that give evidence to their belonging to him, and that they're zealous for good works. This is goes back to our conversation we had, we've been having the last few days about the nature of faith and works and how these two things work together. And it's true for every Christian. Sometimes we need to be instructed. So it could be, there's ignorance there, but for any Christian who is in Christ, they want to be faithful to him. No one needs to tell us that. Like, Hey, love the Lord. Yeah, I love the Lord. I wanna love him better. How do I do that? One of the ways that we do that is by being zealous for good works. It is we're never satisfied with the status quo. We're always seeking to grow in our love for Christ, to fan it into flame and to use it to bring him greater glory. This is what Jesus died for. And this sounds a lot like Ephesians. Speaking of Ephesians two 10. Am I right on that? Two 10? Yep. Yep. We're his workmanship. Yeah, we are. His workmanship created in Christ Jesus for good works. This is what you're designed for. Christian. You're gonna be miserable as a Christian if you're not doing the good works that these qualit to you. It's always better to pursue holiness, to pursue godliness, and to pursue love because this is what you're made for. This is what it's all about. Which he doubles down on in chapter three. He goes through really verses four through seven, just unpacking the gospel. This is what the gospel is, and then notice verse eight. The saying is trustworthy and I want you to insist on these things, the things about the gospel so that those who have believed in God may be careful to and hear it as devote themselves to good works. There's the same concept there. And then he warns against, the foolish pursuits. He warns against divisiveness. He says in verse 10, as for a person who stirs up division, who's gonna disrupt what the church should be all about, Hey, after warning, that person once than twice have nothing more to do with them. So this is a, a fast track church discipline. And the reason is, because what's at stake here is the unity of the church. If you get a divisive person in the body of Christ, they can. They can nuke the whole thing. They can blow a local church up very quickly. They can splinter it. You can get to church splits and I know so many of our people have unfortunately been through that. And that's why Paul is right into Titus saying, treat division seriously. You need to warn 'em once, warn 'em twice and then he is done, put 'em out because of what's at stake with the threats to the church. He ends the letter as he does in others with some personal greetings there as well. Really quickly, lemme just point out something that I found. Interesting. At the very least, but also applicable. Applicable, yes. Here we go. He says in verse two that we are to show perfect courtesy toward all people. I don't know, they just hit me different this time I think. Perfect courtesy. It really just speaks to, okay, what are the cultural morays that define those things? And I think this is something that Christians should embrace you. It does mean that we're gentlemen and we're gentle women, that we possess a kind of thoughtfulness about others and the way that social conventions work that allow us to. Give deference to people. So I imagine things like holding doors open or you see someone carrying a thing and you go and grab the thing, or you know, bring back the stand in the presence of an old person thing. I, I, I like that. I don't always do that, but I do like the idea of it. Anyway. Perfect. Courtesy just tells us that Christians stand out for all the right reasons. We might be looked at as weird and strange because we're doing things that maybe no one else is doing, but I think that's something. Very good that we should aim to preserve. Paul tells us, show perfect courtesy toward all people. One more thing here firsthand. When you just brought it up a second ago, the guy who's stirring up division. Yep. This is not someone who we just don't like what he's doing. Right. It's not someone that we're just annoyed with. It's not somebody that we're saying, I don't like the way he dresses. Pastor PJ said, date your wife. He's not dating his wife. Get him outta here. Yeah. Get outta here. This is a person stirring up division is leans toward it, in my understanding, a technical. Thing that is, he's not just saying someone who's ruffling feathers and we know people like that. He's talking about someone who is espousing false teaching. Stirring up division, I think is an early form, uh, of the word that we use today is heresy. He stirs up divisions because of his false teaching. He's a false teacher who refuses to not stay quiet about his false teaching. And so this is what you have here. I think this is the idea, but this is an element of church discipline. This is to go back to the authority question. This is the job of the pastors to identify this person. And notice here he tells Titus, pastor Titus, on the island of Crete, pastor Titus, if someone is during a division, give him two warnings. And third time, you gotta say. Let him go. Yep. So that's the authority that the pastor has. If the pastor says, Hey, you can't come to this church any longer, I think that's binding and you would do well to respect that. Yeah. So there you go. Some more insight into the Pastor parishioner dynamic in the Book of Titus. Really helpful stuff. Yep. Absolutely. Well, let's pray and then we'll be done with this episode. God thinks for your word and for the church and for the leaders that you've given to the church. I know all of us even as we sit here, as pastors, we had pastors ourselves. And you have used men in our lives to shape us and to mold us and to make us more like Christ through the exposition of your word, through their counsel, through their love for us, their concern for us, the way they serve us. And so, God, we want to make sure that we as pastors are continuing to model that same love and care and concern for the sheep that you've entrusted us here at Compass. And so we're grateful for our church family. And we just pray that you would preserve us, protect us, protect us from divisiveness, Lord, and help us to be a church that is a faithful lambda to you. So we pray this all in Jesus' name, amen. Keep your Bibles tuned again tomorrow for another edition of the Daily Bible Podcast. See you tomorrow. Bye.
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PJ:Yeah. I would agree with everything that you said