Leon didn't think he had an anger problem.
Speaker AHe wasn't yelling, he wasn't slamming doors.
Speaker AIn fact, he'd never laid a hand on anyone.
Speaker ABut something was wrong.
Speaker AAnd deep down, he knew wasn't the volume of his voice that hurt his family.
Speaker AIt was the edge in his words, the way he spoke with tension, blame or silence that left his wife on alert and his daughter shrinking without knowing why.
Speaker AIn this episode, Leon shares what changed the moment he realized that anger doesn't have to be loud to do damage, and how one decision helped him become a calmer, more present father and partner.
Speaker AIf you've ever told yourself, at least I'm not shouting, this is the conversation you need to hear.
Speaker AWelcome to episode 48 of the Anger Management Podcast.
Speaker AI'm your host, Alistair Dewes, and for over 30 years I've been helping men and women all over the world learn how to control their anger, master their emotions, and build calmer, more respectful relationships.
Speaker AOn this podcast, I share the same tools and insights I've used when with over 15,000 clients, along with the powerful help of AI to support you on your journey to lasting change.
Speaker AToday's episode is a little different.
Speaker AInstead of strategies or step by step techniques, you'll hear a real story.
Speaker AA personal journey of frustration, awareness and transformation.
Speaker ALeon's story is powerful because it challenges one of the biggest myths about anger, that if you're not yelling, breaking things or getting physical, then you don't have an anger problem.
Speaker ALeon never raised his voice, but as you'll hear, it wasn't the volume that hurt his family.
Speaker AIt was the edge in his words, the tension in his tone and the silence that slowly eroded trust.
Speaker AThis is a conversation about honesty, about recognising the quiet forms of anger that can be just as damaging, and about what's possible when you decide to change not just for yourself, but for the people who matter most.
Speaker AOk, here's my conversation with Leon.
Speaker ATo begin with, tell me a bit about yourself.
Speaker BI'm 39.
Speaker BI run my own custom leather carving business and I enjoy hunting and fishing and camping and all the good stuff in life.
Speaker AWhat brought you to my anger management course?
Speaker BMy wife asked me to do a course on anger management because she thought I was getting a little bit angry and I was trying to get some local courses and none of them were available.
Speaker BAnd yeah, I bit the bullet and saw this anger management course online and I took the chance.
Speaker CCool.
Speaker CDid you have an anger issue?
Speaker BOh yeah, I get a little bit annoyed and that sort of thing, but I Didn't think that I had an anger issue.
Speaker COkay.
Speaker CAnd how was starting the course?
Speaker BStarting the course was good.
Speaker BI learned a lot straight away, and I was able to focus on the course because I had a bit of spare time and plod along and go through it and, you know, I learned a lot.
Speaker BThe course was really good.
Speaker BAnd it teaches you more than just how to respond to your anger.
Speaker BIt teaches you about communication and relationships and all the other things that you need to be aware of.
Speaker CYep.
Speaker CWhat do you reckon the first thing you learned from the course was?
Speaker BThe first thing I learned from the course was the tension scale and awareness.
Speaker BI really think those are too early on.
Speaker BThings that I've focused on a lot of.
Speaker CSay a bit more about the awareness.
Speaker BSide when you start feeling all the signs of anger, like your blood getting hot or your tingly skin, and the feelings that you get when you start to get a little bit more annoyed and you can start focusing on those and starting to minimize them.
Speaker CYep.
Speaker CYep.
Speaker CSo obviously reduce your tension and stress.
Speaker CYep.
Speaker CWhat changes do you think you've made since you started the course?
Speaker BI've made a lot of changes.
Speaker BMy life has definitely changed, and I find myself not getting angry anymore because I'm focusing on those awareness levels and the tension scale.
Speaker BI'm definitely not getting out of control angry of any description, because I notice the signs and I'm almost calling them symptoms of anger because you start noticing the different feelings that you're coming across, and then you can start your breathing and you can start cooling yourself down or take yourself away from a situation before you start getting angry so that you can focus on what the actual issue is.
Speaker CYeah, that's really cool.
Speaker CAnd just tell me again, how much of an issue was anger for you in the past?
Speaker BWhen I was younger, I was a really angry young teenager, and I've done an anger management course in the past, but I didn't really focus on it because I didn't think it was for me.
Speaker BI think I do stress out and get a little bit annoyed, But I think what I've learned from the course, too, is that other people notice what you're not noticing.
Speaker BAnd when they feel hurt or verbally abused or anything like that, then your anger has gone to a level that's hurting other people, even if you don't notice it.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker CSo was that happening in your relationship?
Speaker BI'd say yeah, it would have been.
Speaker BI probably didn't notice it as much as I can see it now after doing the course that my anger level, it Wasn't as bad as it was in my past, but I definitely look back at it now and think because it hurt feelings of other people, that it was at a level that I'm now not happy at the level that it was.
Speaker CSo it sounds like your awareness of that has increased.
Speaker CHas it?
Speaker BOh, absolutely.
Speaker BI'm aware of it all the time.
Speaker BAnd I can better calculate the level now so that I can control it better.
Speaker CCool.
Speaker CAgain, greater awareness.
Speaker CRight.
Speaker CSo you're more aware of those tension levels.
Speaker BAbsolutely.
Speaker BThe more aware that you are of the tension levels, the better, because you're noticing it before it's getting out of control or hurting other people.
Speaker C100%.
Speaker CWhat's something else you've picked up from the course, do you think?
Speaker BThere's actually quite a lot in the course.
Speaker BIt's hard to put it down to one thing because it's a really good course and there's a lot of it.
Speaker BYou've done a great job on the course, to be honest, I think a lot of it.
Speaker BCommunication is something that I was failing on too.
Speaker BAnd there's topics on communication in the course and just how to not make it all about yourself.
Speaker BAnd that there is more than just one person in any conversation or argument or anything like that.
Speaker BAnd that's before you even get into the heated levels of an argument to become angry.
Speaker BAnd I think that's definitely something that, once again, I'm aware of now that I wasn't aware of in the past is just.
Speaker BYeah, it's not always about you.
Speaker BAnd you don't know how the other person is reacting to the words you say or the tone of voice you're using, or just even those can cause a conversation to become a heated discussion.
Speaker CWhat else have you learned about communication?
Speaker CAnything that comes to mind.
Speaker BListening, how to listen to others.
Speaker BAnd I think that was something that I wasn't doing a lot of.
Speaker BAnd I wasn't aware of it because I'd never really been associated with listening as such.
Speaker BAnd I think it's something that a lot of people don't do, especially in a relationship, because you've been with a person for so long or you're just around them all the time and you just start flopping off the information they're giving you.
Speaker BBut it actually doesn't hurt to sit down and listen to what they have to say, because that's how they feel.
Speaker BIt's just like when you have feelings about a situation or you've had a hard day and you want to vent a little bit by voicing your opinion on your day and you've gotta allow that in return.
Speaker CYeah, it's very true, isn't it?
Speaker CIt's very true and powerful leaves for that.
Speaker CWhat would you say to someone who might be listening to this and thinking about doing the course but not sure what would you say to that person?
Speaker BI was skeptical in the beginning, I have to be honest.
Speaker BBut once I actually bit the bullet and started the course, I wouldn't change it for a thing and I would absolutely recommend it to people that have had any anger or relationship troubles in their past because it's not just an anger management course, there's a lot more to it and I definitely think people should join the course because it helped me a lot and really quickly and I'm able to go back over the course whenever I feel I need to and revise it or do the course again just for a refresher.
Speaker BDefinitely recommend it.
Speaker CHow quickly do you think you made changes?
Speaker BFor myself actually probably the first couple of days because I was focused on the awareness and the tension scale and I think I focused on that quite a lot because it meant a lot to me.
Speaker BAnd as soon as I read the part of your course, I can't remember what section it was but it was to do with how the other people react and feel and it's a type of abuse that really got me deep because I never wanted to do any kind of violence or abuse even to my family.
Speaker BAnd even the abuse of words and tone of voice can affect people more than you realize.
Speaker BAnd I think that really struck a chord in me and made me start thinking and change really quickly.
Speaker CSo.
Speaker CSo you're saying your family were probably affected by things like your tone of voice and you weren't even aware of that?
Speaker BAbsolutely.
Speaker CAnything else you'd like to say?
Speaker BI'd like to add the positive self talk and together we created a positive self talk called precious self talk which I really think is important where you focus on something that you hold near and dear to your heart and is the most precious to you and something that you want to change for like your children or your partner or something in your world, in your life that is the most valuable thing to you, that you can't even think of living without and that that will definitely guide you every time you start going up attention scale or having self doubt or any of those sort of things.
Speaker BAbsolutely Positive self talk and precious self talk.
Speaker CAnd what was that for you?
Speaker CWhat did you hold close to your heart?
Speaker BMy 3 year old daughter means a lot to me.
Speaker BShe's an amazing young child.
Speaker BMy other two are amazing as well.
Speaker BBut the teenagers, they do their own thing now.
Speaker BThey're really good kids.
Speaker BBut the preciousness of a toddler.
Speaker BYeah, it's something to hold close.
Speaker CYep.
Speaker CAnd was it something about the effect on her that you're talking about?
Speaker BI just think that I don't want her to be around any of that sort of aggression level or anger or abuse.
Speaker BI never want my daughters to be around any kind of abuse.
Speaker BAnd I think the course has just shown me that I was a little bit verbally abusive.
Speaker BI wasn't physical, but I was definitely a little bit with the tone of my voice and maybe some of the words that I'd say, they weren't quite appropriate for family members.
Speaker BAnd when it affected them, I wasn't noticing it.
Speaker BAnd that's a form of abuse.
Speaker BAnd I didn't realise it, but I do now, and I wish I could take it back.
Speaker AOkay, first, I want to thank Leon for sharing his story.
Speaker AIt takes real courage to face your anger, and it takes even more to speak about it publicly.
Speaker ANot to shame yourself, but to help others.
Speaker AThat's exactly what Leon did today.
Speaker AIf his story resonated with you, if you've seen parts of yourself in his words, I want you to know that change is possible for you, too.
Speaker AYou can learn to control your anger, you can master your emotions, and you can create calmer, healthier, more connected relationships.
Speaker AI've helped thousands of people do exactly that, and I'd love to help you too.
Speaker AJust head over to angersecrets.com and book a free 30 minute anger assessment.
Speaker ACall with me.
Speaker AWe'll talk about what's going on and I'll help you take the first step forward.
Speaker AAs Leon reminded us, sometimes we don't see how our anger is affecting the people around us until it's already done the damage.
Speaker ABut it doesn't have to stay that way.
Speaker AWith the right tools and support, you can break the cycle and build something better.
Speaker AOkay, that's it for today's episode.
Speaker AIt wasn't yelling, but it was abuse.
Speaker ALeon's story.
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Speaker AIt helps others find the podcast and it might be the exact nudge someone else needs right now.
Speaker AAnd remember, if you want a free training or a chance to chat one on one with me, just head over to angersecrets.com and if you're ready to get serious about changing how you show up in your relationship, take a look at the complete anger management system@AngerSecrets.com course.
Speaker AI'd love to help you once and for all.
Speaker AAnd finally, remember, you can't control what other people say or do, but you can control yourself.
Speaker AYour tone, your choices, and how you respond to others.
Speaker AAnd that's where your real power lives.
Speaker ATake care and I'll talk to you soon.
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