Are your adult children still living at home?
Speaker:Are you struggling to support them financially while also
Speaker:planning for your own future?
Speaker:Well, today we're gonna dive into a listener's question about the
Speaker:challenges of supporting grown kids who haven't left a nest.
Speaker:We're gonna explore some practical advice.
Speaker:I'm gonna give you some biblical wisdom, and we're gonna talk about
Speaker:some real life case studies to help you navigate this complex situation.
Speaker:We're gonna discover the hidden cause of supporting adult children,
Speaker:why they might not be leaving the nest at home, how to set healthy
Speaker:financial boundaries, how to deal with manipulated behavior and sibling rivalry.
Speaker:And I'm gonna give you biblical principles to guide you through this
Speaker:journey, as well as some strategies to encourage financial independence.
Speaker:And we're gonna end it all with the power of prayer in seeking God's guidance.
Speaker:So don't miss this crucial discussion as we provide actionable steps
Speaker:and spiritual insights to help you balance love and responsibility.
Speaker:Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of the Ask Ralph Show.
Speaker:This is your weekly live show where we tackle tough questions
Speaker:about faith and finance, and hey, just about everything in between.
Speaker:And today we've got a particularly compelling question from one
Speaker:of our listeners that I think many of you can relate to.
Speaker:It's about the challenge of supporting adult children
Speaker:who are still living at home.
Speaker:Hey, this is a situation that's becoming increasingly common and
Speaker:it's causing a lot of stress and it's causing financial strains for parents.
Speaker:But first, let's hear from our listener who sent in this question and they're
Speaker:struggling with this very situation.
Speaker:Here's what they had to say.
Speaker:Says, dear Ralph, I'm really struggling right now.
Speaker:My daughter, who is 28, has been living at home for the past three years.
Speaker:She had a rough time finding a job after college and has been
Speaker:dealing with student loan debt.
Speaker:At first, I was happy to support her, but it's been taking a toll on
Speaker:my finances and my peace of mind.
Speaker:I'm paying for the groceries, I'm paying for the phone bill, and even
Speaker:her car insurance feels like she's taken advantage of my kindness
Speaker:and I'm not sure how to handle it.
Speaker:I've tried talking to her about getting a job, but she always has an excuse.
Speaker:Either the job market is tough or she's not feeling well.
Speaker:I'm tired, torn between.
Speaker:I'm torn because I wanna help her, but I also need to think about my own future.
Speaker:I'm 55 and I haven't been able to save much for retirement
Speaker:because of these expenses.
Speaker:I feel guilty saying no, but I'm getting overwhelmed.
Speaker:Can you gimme some advice on how to navigate this situation?
Speaker:I wanna do what's best for both of us, but I'm not sure where to start.
Speaker:Thank you.
Speaker:And that was signed.
Speaker:A conflicted parent.
Speaker:And lemme just tell you that is a powerful question.
Speaker:So today we're gonna get into a topic that many of you have been asking me about.
Speaker:I've gotten several emails and several notices about this.
Speaker:You know what to do when your grown kids won't fly the coop.
Speaker:Are your adults kids still at home?
Speaker:If they are, you're not alone.
Speaker:And so I'm gonna start by asking this very interesting question, and that's this.
Speaker:Have you ever stopped to consider just how much it's costing you to support
Speaker:your adult children financially?
Speaker:And let me just tell you, these numbers might just shock you.
Speaker:You ready for this?
Speaker:On average, parents spend around and listen to this.
Speaker:You're not gonna believe this, about $1,400 a month
Speaker:supporting their adult children.
Speaker:Now you might be saying, Ralph, what makes that up?
Speaker:Well, this includes groceries.
Speaker:It includes rent, phone bills, sometimes even credit card bills,
Speaker:vacations, tuition, and car expenses for Gen Z and baby boomer parents,
Speaker:this financial burden is often higher.
Speaker:Listen to this study.
Speaker:According to a study, parents who support their adult children could
Speaker:lose up to and ready for this one, $227,000 in retirement savings.
Speaker:They could lose up to that because they're still supporting their adult children.
Speaker:And listen, think about that for a minute.
Speaker:This can significantly impact your future financial security.
Speaker:Lemme just tell you about some of the common expenses that parents are covering.
Speaker:This is what I found in my research in general, grocery 76%, 76% of parents
Speaker:are covering some level of groceries.
Speaker:44% are covering rent, 39% are covering phone bills.
Speaker:23% are covering credit card bills.
Speaker:15% are covering vacations, 10% are covering tuition, and car expenses are 8%.
Speaker:Hey, this is a significant strain on household budgets, especially for
Speaker:those who are near in retirement.
Speaker:So I'm gonna give you a bunch of pro tips today, and I'm gonna
Speaker:start with this one right away because I wanna give you actionable
Speaker:things that you can work on today.
Speaker:So here's my first pro trip.
Speaker:Track your expenses to understand the full impact of supporting your adult
Speaker:children, because if you don't really know how much you're spending, you
Speaker:might have just heard me say those things and you're probably thinking,
Speaker:Ralph, I don't spend anywhere near that.
Speaker:Well, guess what?
Speaker:That is the average.
Speaker:So if you're tracking these things, that's why I said this is my first
Speaker:pro trip is to look at that, see what you're spending because it's
Speaker:gonna help you make an informed decision about your financial future.
Speaker:So let me ask you this question.
Speaker:Have you ever wondered why your adult children are still living at home?
Speaker:Because I think that's where we need to start this discussion.
Speaker:We talked already about what it's costing you, but let's talk
Speaker:about why your adult children are stiffening, still living at home.
Speaker:Because I think these reasons might surprise you.
Speaker:And when I did my research for the show today, here's what I found.
Speaker:The biggest one is financial pressures.
Speaker:It's that high cost of living, an expensive house of market.
Speaker:It it's expensive to live on your own.
Speaker:And here's another thing that a lot of people don't talk about.
Speaker:It's that student loan debt.
Speaker:All those things are very common.
Speaker:So that's the first thing.
Speaker:These financial pressures, the high cost of living.
Speaker:Yeah, it's expensive.
Speaker:My, my, my youngest son is going through this.
Speaker:He lives on his own.
Speaker:It's not cheap.
Speaker:The housing market, especially where we live in our area, is expensive
Speaker:and a lot of people are burdened with this student loan debt.
Speaker:Another thing, another reason is job market challenges.
Speaker:You know, there are precarious work environments.
Speaker:It's difficult finding stable, well paying jobs if you've been in the market for
Speaker:a job, you know, a lot of people say, well, you know, if you don't wanna work
Speaker:right now, you, you, you can find a job.
Speaker:Well, that's not necessarily true.
Speaker:Again, it depends on your skillset and it depends on your adaptability, whether
Speaker:you're willing to take on that job.
Speaker:Another big reason is what I'll call societal shifts.
Speaker:You know, later age for milestones like marriage and home ownership.
Speaker:A lot of people are deciding now, and I'm not saying that I'm disagreeing
Speaker:with this, but a lot of people are deciding to get married later.
Speaker:They're deciding to buy that hou first house later.
Speaker:They're deciding to have children later.
Speaker:And that just is a overall societal shift and, and that's okay.
Speaker:I'm just wanting to point that out to you as we discuss why people are still,
Speaker:our adult children are still in the nest.
Speaker:Another one is family dynamics.
Speaker:A lot of times we've got really close relationships.
Speaker:We that get it comfort of home and that potential for mutual benefit because,
Speaker:hey, here's the truth, a lot of children are helping out with their parents.
Speaker:They're helping 'em pay bills and maybe they're helping 'em
Speaker:with their financial situation.
Speaker:Maybe they're helping 'em with doing things around the
Speaker:house or those type of things.
Speaker:You know, we got this.
Speaker:Term that's thrown around called failure to launch, and it's often used to
Speaker:describe this situation and see societal comfort levels have shifted on this.
Speaker:You know, now it's much more acceptable for adult children to live at home longer.
Speaker:So here's my next pro tip.
Speaker:You got to understand the reasons behind your child's extended stay so that you
Speaker:can help address the root causes and find solutions that work for both of
Speaker:you, because that's really the key.
Speaker:Hey, it could be a situation like, I was talking to somebody in my
Speaker:office here yesterday and she said, you know, Ralph, sometimes
Speaker:the kids are asked to stay there.
Speaker:The adult children, I call 'em kids, but adult children, they're asked to
Speaker:stay there because they're helping out.
Speaker:Maybe they're helping with some medical issues, maybe they're
Speaker:helping, you know, fund the household.
Speaker:I mean, that's just a legitimate thing.
Speaker:Now, the, the, the goal of my show today was talk about when those
Speaker:adult children won't find the coop, and it's this financial burden.
Speaker:So I'm going to make an assumption.
Speaker:For today's discussion that we're talking about a situation where they won't leave
Speaker:and it's causing a financial struggle.
Speaker:So let me move on to the next topic, and let me ask you another question.
Speaker:Have you ever considered how supporting your adult children might be
Speaker:jeopardizing your own retirement plans?
Speaker:And that's what I wanna talk about.
Speaker:I wanna park here for just a couple minutes and talk about the financial
Speaker:side of this, because here is the truth.
Speaker:Many parents prioritize their children's expenses over
Speaker:their own retirement savings.
Speaker:And listen, I see this time and time again in my practice, people will come in and
Speaker:meet with me and I'll sit down with them and they'll say, Ralph, you know, I really
Speaker:wanna put more aside for retirement, but I've still got my son living with me, or
Speaker:I've still got my daughter living with me.
Speaker:And I said, wait a minute.
Speaker:These kids are like 30 years old.
Speaker:When are they going to fly the cou?
Speaker:Or at least contribute to what's going on at the house?
Speaker:Because if you don't recognize that we talked about that number, that
Speaker:$227,000 number at the beginning of the show today, and that is going to
Speaker:impact your retirement, basically you are not able to put away as much money
Speaker:because you're paying those expenses.
Speaker:And listen, the end of the day, this can lead to delayed retirement or
Speaker:even financial secure insecurity later in life and quit and listen to this
Speaker:study like I talked about before.
Speaker:I. Adult parents who support their adult, excuse me, parents
Speaker:who support their adult children.
Speaker:Like I said, this is a big number, $227,000 in retirement savings.
Speaker:Hey, listen, I don't know about you, but that could have a significant impact
Speaker:on your future financial security.
Speaker:Now, this is a Christian faith show, so we gotta talk about
Speaker:the biblical side of this.
Speaker:Now we are called to be good stewards of our resources and plan for the future.
Speaker:Proverbs chapter six, verses 68, reminds us to be wise and prepare
Speaker:for the future, but it's critical and it's crucial to prioritize your own
Speaker:retirement and your emergency funds.
Speaker:Now this doesn't mean you can't support your children.
Speaker:I am never gonna, you're never gonna hear me say, I don't think
Speaker:you should support your children.
Speaker:That's not what I'm saying at all.
Speaker:But you have to find that balance.
Speaker:It's so important to find that balance with your needs and theirs.
Speaker:And listen, if you've got a kid that's riding a sofa in the basement, hey,
Speaker:it's time to get them, put them to work, maybe charge them some rent.
Speaker:So here's another pro tip.
Speaker:Set aside a specific portion of your income for retirement savings and
Speaker:treat that as a non-negotiable expense.
Speaker:And I, I dare say this.
Speaker:Make that the first payment.
Speaker:Now, if you wanna support your kids, you want to help them
Speaker:out, that's fine, but make sure you're covering your basis first.
Speaker:Make sure you're putting that money away for retirement later.
Speaker:So let's move on to our next big thing to discuss, and let me ask you this.
Speaker:Have you struggled with setting those financial boundaries
Speaker:with your adult children?
Speaker:If you are, you're not alone.
Speaker:I hear this time and time again, but listen, it's crucial for
Speaker:not only their growth, but also for your financial health.
Speaker:Here are some very practical strategies.
Speaker:One of the things I wanted to cover on today's show is I wanted
Speaker:to make sure I was gonna give you some practical strategies
Speaker:of how to handle this situation.
Speaker:Because listen, I see this a lot.
Speaker:I see this routinely, and it causes struggle.
Speaker:So one of the first things I'm gonna tell you to do, I think this one is the
Speaker:most crucial thing, is you've got to establish clear rules and expectations.
Speaker:You know, you gotta emphasize that need for open communication.
Speaker:You need to have a discussion with your kids.
Speaker:It's okay to say your kids, listen, I can't continue to
Speaker:pay for all these things.
Speaker:I can't continue to support you.
Speaker:You're able to work, you're able to bring in money now, which leads me to the second
Speaker:thing, and this is gonna be controversial.
Speaker:A lot of people might send me hate mail about this one, but maybe
Speaker:you've gotta consider charging rent.
Speaker:Now, again, it depends on the situation.
Speaker:If your, if your adult child has the ability to work and they aren't
Speaker:helping out around the house, and it doesn't necessarily have to be rent.
Speaker:It could be, Hey, you're eating the food here, you're eating the groceries.
Speaker:It's costing us more for utilities.
Speaker:Our electric bill is more, our water bill is more, Hey,
Speaker:I'm paying for your insurance.
Speaker:I'm paying for your car payments.
Speaker:It is.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Ralph said it.
Speaker:It's okay to suggest a reasonable amount or a percentage of
Speaker:their income be paid in rent.
Speaker:That's just a truth.
Speaker:If, if there are, here's a great example.
Speaker:Let's say husband and wife, and you've got a kid living there with you.
Speaker:Well, basically the truth is maybe that kid needs to kick up a third of that.
Speaker:That's what's going on.
Speaker:I mean, if you think about if that person's not paying for their groceries,
Speaker:if they're not paying for their share of the utilities, which leads me to
Speaker:the next practical piece of advice, and that is define who is responsible for
Speaker:specific bills and share those expenses.
Speaker:It's okay.
Speaker:For example, I was dealing with, uh, a friend of mine not too long ago,
Speaker:and he was making a list of all the different subscriptions they have to
Speaker:their TVs and their internet, and he says, I'm the one paying all these bills.
Speaker:He says, Ralph, I don't even watch these things.
Speaker:I don't even connect to these things.
Speaker:I gave him some really bold advice I said.
Speaker:Turn 'em off.
Speaker:And I said, and if your kids, you're, and these are adult kids
Speaker:we're talking about, these are kids who are, have the capacity to work.
Speaker:They have their own jobs.
Speaker:I said, turn 'em off.
Speaker:And if they want 'em, let them sign up for them in their name.
Speaker:Now, the downside to that is he says, yeah, but Ralph, they don't
Speaker:even have their own credit cards.
Speaker:Well, ding, ding, ding.
Speaker:There's another problem.
Speaker:Get them to start managing their own money.
Speaker:Now, another thing I wanna talk about here in, in the practical
Speaker:discussion here is let's have a discussion about loans versus gifts.
Speaker:Because you've got to really be clear and you've got to discuss this.
Speaker:You've gotta structure financial assistance with either, Hey,
Speaker:this is a gift or this is a loan.
Speaker:But you've got to be clear about that because what happens from an emotional
Speaker:standpoint, if you don't lay that, lay those things out in clear details.
Speaker:You may just be building animosity.
Speaker:On both of you.
Speaker:And listen, I think it's okay if you say to your child, Hey,
Speaker:excuse me, you wanna come back for three to six months, that's fine.
Speaker:But you are going to need to help out.
Speaker:You are going to need to, to, to, to, to contribute.
Speaker:And if you are not, then guess what?
Speaker:I'm starting a loan.
Speaker:I said this to my youngest son one time.
Speaker:I said, Hey, I'm not the bank of dad, it's just not the way it works.
Speaker:I said, if you wanna, if you want us to pay for stuff, that's fine.
Speaker:We'll give you a line of credit.
Speaker:But listen, number one, and again, I might get hate messages about this.
Speaker:Number one, you're gonna pay us interest.
Speaker:Number two, you're going to make us monthly payments.
Speaker:Listen, for example, my youngest is on my cell phone bill.
Speaker:He has his own job, he has his own place to live, and every month I
Speaker:put him on our cell phone bill.
Speaker:But I say to him, Hey dude, where's your money for your cell phone bill?
Speaker:It's okay to do that.
Speaker:It's okay to say, Hey, this is not something we're just
Speaker:going to cover in perpetuity.
Speaker:You know, you are past the age of when we supported you.
Speaker:Another, another practical strategy is limit discretionary spending.
Speaker:This is where you've got to focus on their essential needs.
Speaker:For example, like I talked about with the person with their subscription
Speaker:services, Hey, if you've got a child that's struggling, and again, I
Speaker:say adult child, it's not the time to pay for those little extras.
Speaker:I had a client in the other day.
Speaker:It was kind of funny the way he said it to me, and I dunno
Speaker:if I'll recall it directly.
Speaker:I think he said, he said he turned 18 and he wasn't going to college
Speaker:and all this kind of stuff.
Speaker:And his parents said, okay, that's great.
Speaker:Well you wanna stay here, that's fine.
Speaker:Here's your rent.
Speaker:This is what's gonna cost you a month.
Speaker:And he said, I remember Ralph.
Speaker:He says, well, a week or so ago, or a week or so after that, he said, my
Speaker:mom had had had started making dinner.
Speaker:And I said, what are we having for dinner?
Speaker:She says, this is dinners for your father and I, if you want to eat dinner
Speaker:with us, I can certainly make you a plate, but it's gonna be 10 bucks.
Speaker:Now, a lot of people might be saying, Ralph, how could they do that?
Speaker:Well, again, you're trying to teach your kids to be independent.
Speaker:I'm not saying to be nasty with them.
Speaker:I'm not saying to be difficult with them, but listen, if you don't start
Speaker:to give them the ability to make better decisions, if you don't help build in
Speaker:that financial independence, you are going to have a child that is going to
Speaker:live with you the rest of your life.
Speaker:And guess what?
Speaker:You're not gonna be able to afford it.
Speaker:Retirement isn't designed to focus on you and your child.
Speaker:It's designed to focus on you.
Speaker:So focus on those essential needs.
Speaker:Now here's another great practical thing.
Speaker:Set a timeline.
Speaker:You know, discuss the expected duration of a living arrangement
Speaker:and the milestones for independence.
Speaker:It's okay to say to your child, listen, I know you're struggling right now.
Speaker:Maybe they lost their job.
Speaker:Maybe they're just outta college, and they just, they're just working
Speaker:to get that, that first job.
Speaker:It's okay to say to them, Hey, you've got three months, you've got
Speaker:six months, you've got nine months.
Speaker:But frame that boundary.
Speaker:It's a act of love that ultimately benefits them because you're going
Speaker:to foster responsibility in them.
Speaker:You don't wanna enable them.
Speaker:I have seen this so many times.
Speaker:I remember two or three years ago, I had a client come in and she was
Speaker:almost in tears sitting in my office.
Speaker:She goes, Ralph, I'm running outta money because I'm still supporting
Speaker:my 50-year-old adult child.
Speaker:Well, if you don't have an expectation with them, if you don't set, you
Speaker:know, strong limits and all those type of things, you are going to have an
Speaker:adult child that's never gonna leave.
Speaker:Now, again, I'm not talking about people or adult children who have disabilities.
Speaker:I'm not talking about that.
Speaker:I'm not talking about adult children who can't do things on their own.
Speaker:I'm talking about children who decide not to do things on
Speaker:their own because guess what?
Speaker:There's a lot of that goes on.
Speaker:And remember, look at the book of Ephesians four 15.
Speaker:I don't have time to cover it right now, but it reminds us
Speaker:about speaking truth and love.
Speaker:I'm gonna encourage you to go read it because that's what you need to do here.
Speaker:You need to speak truth and love to your, to your adult children
Speaker:and say, listen, I really love you.
Speaker:I really want to help you, but the best way I can help you is
Speaker:not to continue to enable you.
Speaker:So here's another pro tip.
Speaker:I told you I'd give you a lot of pro tips in here.
Speaker:There's a lot of these.
Speaker:I've also put 'em in the show notes, but write down the
Speaker:boundaries and the expectations you've agreed on with your child.
Speaker:I said, you've agreed on, but you've agreed on with your child.
Speaker:You know, it, it's like a contract.
Speaker:Have a clear written agreement.
Speaker:That way you avoid any misunderstandings and conflicts because you don't want that.
Speaker:You don't want those, those, those misunderstandings.
Speaker:You don't want those conflicts because what happens is, and I actually had
Speaker:this in my own family, I'm a, I'll tell a little personal story here.
Speaker:About 10 years ago, I guess my, my sister and my mom were living together
Speaker:and my mother, uh, God rest her soul.
Speaker:She'd just been dead two years now, the other day, and, and I was thinking
Speaker:about this the other day, and, and this isn't throwing any negative
Speaker:towards my sister, but my mom would constantly put me in the middle of this
Speaker:conversation between her and my sister.
Speaker:She'd call me and say, Ralph, you know, I don't understand your, your
Speaker:sister's not helping out your sisters.
Speaker:And again, I'm not choosing sides.
Speaker:First of all, and I'll talk about this a little bit later, that sibling rivalry
Speaker:thing, but my mom put me on the spot.
Speaker:She said, Ralph, you know, can you talk to your sister?
Speaker:And I remember I had had enough, one day, my wife and I, we were out to eat one
Speaker:night and I said, you know what, I'm done.
Speaker:I drove right to my mother's house.
Speaker:I will never forget this.
Speaker:I, my wife says I'm gonna sit in the car 'cause I don't wanna get involved in this.
Speaker:I went in, sat in my mother's rec room and I said to the two of 'em, I said, listen,
Speaker:I am tired of being in the middle of this.
Speaker:You guys need to figure out your stuff on your own.
Speaker:And it was all because there was no clear understanding, there
Speaker:was no clear expectation of what was expected of each of them.
Speaker:And I said, I don't need to be in the middle of this.
Speaker:You need to put those things in writing so that there are no conflicts.
Speaker:So let me ask you this, and this is where we're gonna get into some, it's
Speaker:gonna be a difficult conversation.
Speaker:That's this question.
Speaker:Have you ever felt manipulated or guilted by your adult children
Speaker:when it comes to financial support?
Speaker:Because listen, I've had situations, not in my own life.
Speaker:My kids are pretty responsible, especially my oldest son and my youngest son.
Speaker:I only have two sons.
Speaker:But you know, they're very responsible.
Speaker:They know that they're not gonna come to me.
Speaker:I'm not the bank of dad anymore.
Speaker:But there are situations that I hear about from clients where their adult children
Speaker:are, frankly, they're being manipulative.
Speaker:They're being, they're being, they're just, just, just nasty to their parents,
Speaker:and they're putting a guilt trip on them.
Speaker:And listen, if you're a parent listening to this, you've got to recognize those
Speaker:things and you've got to address that manipulative behavior because you
Speaker:got to set those healthy boundaries.
Speaker:I remember one time I was in counseling.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Ralph went to counseling, believe it or not.
Speaker:Well, anyway, this counts.
Speaker:He was a Christian counselor, he was an associate pastor at our church.
Speaker:And he said, Ralph, and I remember what we were talking about.
Speaker:We were talking about boundaries in some regard.
Speaker:And he says, Ralph, he says, think about this.
Speaker:I live out in the country now.
Speaker:He lived out, out, you know, near where I live now.
Speaker:And, and he had this house, and right next door to him was an Amish farm.
Speaker:Now, Amish farm, if you're not familiar with the Amish, it's
Speaker:a very, uh, religious sect.
Speaker:They, they don't really use cars, they don't use electricity,
Speaker:all that kind of things.
Speaker:They're, they're sort of, I don't wanna say negative, in
Speaker:a good way, in a good way.
Speaker:They're sort of, they're set in their ways.
Speaker:They just kind of separate themselves.
Speaker:Well, anyway.
Speaker:Whole point of the story was he said, you know, I can't really blame my
Speaker:neighbor when his cow wanders into my backyard if I haven't built a fence.
Speaker:And he says, so what I'm trying to explain to you is I needed to set that boundary.
Speaker:Now, once I set the boundary, if his cow was like coming and I got cows,
Speaker:I raised black Angus cows, I get it.
Speaker:But if you don't set those boundaries, if you don't set those boundaries with your
Speaker:kids, you're going to have these problems.
Speaker:So it is so important to recognize that manipulative behavior, such as
Speaker:guilt trips or emotional blackmail, or, or them playing the victim.
Speaker:These tactics can make it difficult to set those boundaries, but you've
Speaker:got to recognize those things.
Speaker:And as the the listener said here in her message today, she says,
Speaker:Ralph, I feel guilty, but I feel like she's taken advantage of me.
Speaker:So I promised you some effective strategies.
Speaker:So here are some effective strategies for handling that manipulation.
Speaker:And the first one is what we just talked about.
Speaker:You've got to set clear boundaries, communicate your limits firmly and calmly.
Speaker:You don't have to go crazy about it, you don't have to scream about it and
Speaker:pound on the walls and throw stuff.
Speaker:But communicate your limits firmly and calmly and dare
Speaker:I say, put them in writing.
Speaker:And then once you do that, once you've had that, what we'll call the meaning
Speaker:of the minds, and it might come down to saying, listen, I remember when I was a
Speaker:kid, my mom and dad, and mostly my mom.
Speaker:'cause I live with my mom.
Speaker:My mom and dad split up, but, but my mom said, look, if you
Speaker:wanna live under this roof.
Speaker:You're gonna follow the rules.
Speaker:Well, guess what?
Speaker:When I'm an adult child, if I wanna live under their roof,
Speaker:I gotta follow the rules.
Speaker:That's just the truth.
Speaker:And then once you set those boundaries, and look, it might
Speaker:be a very difficult conversation.
Speaker:It might be one of those conversations that you just do not want to have.
Speaker:But listen, as the guy said about the Amish farmer next door, if I don't
Speaker:set the boundaries, Ralph, how can I even argue that they're, they're
Speaker:going against those boundaries.
Speaker:So once you set those boundaries, the next step is to stick to your principles.
Speaker:Don't give into emotional pressure.
Speaker:Don't give into that.
Speaker:The woe is me or the, oh, the sad.
Speaker:Oh, I can't find a job.
Speaker:Oh, I can't do this.
Speaker:I can't do that.
Speaker:Now again, there may be reasons why they can't do it, but don't
Speaker:buy into that emotional pressure because all you're doing is teaching
Speaker:them to be more manipulative.
Speaker:Another thing I'm gonna do is tell you to encourage accountability.
Speaker:Help your adult children see the consequences of their actions.
Speaker:Say to them, Hey, when you don't go to work, is it a big shock
Speaker:that you're not getting paid?
Speaker:Is it a big shock that you lose your job?
Speaker:Is it a big shock?
Speaker:You don't take care of yourself.
Speaker:These are their consequences.
Speaker:And as a parent, and I've learned this, my kids are 23.
Speaker:My son will soon be 24.
Speaker:My oldest is 27.
Speaker:I guess it was about, I don't know, five or 10 years ago.
Speaker:I can't remember exactly when, but somebody said this and I
Speaker:said, you know, this is brilliant.
Speaker:They said, you have to be the parent that allows your children to fail.
Speaker:And see, that's not a popular thing to say.
Speaker:People get upset when when you say, oh, you know, I can't dare sit there
Speaker:and watch my, my children fail.
Speaker:But I see adults entering retirement who are failing because of the fact
Speaker:that they won't let their children fail.
Speaker:I'm gonna tell a very rough story, but there was a time when my youngest son
Speaker:decided he wasn't going to school anymore.
Speaker:And I told him, I said, dude, when you're 18, there's the door.
Speaker:He ended up living in his truck for two weeks and a lot of people say,
Speaker:Ralph, how could you do that to him?
Speaker:Well, guess what?
Speaker:Living in his trucks two weeks, it taught him a very, very important thing.
Speaker:And that is, I better work.
Speaker:I better make money.
Speaker:Yes, it was hard for me.
Speaker:It was hard for me to do that for him.
Speaker:And you notice I said, do that for him.
Speaker:I didn't say do that to him.
Speaker:I said to do that for him because it doesn't help anybody if you are not
Speaker:showing them how to be independent.
Speaker:Which leads me to my next thing that I think you really need to consider doing,
Speaker:and that is if you're in that situation where there's manipulation, hey, it
Speaker:could even be threats of violence and all those sort of things, that's when
Speaker:you need to bring in professional help.
Speaker:Maybe consider family therapy or, or counseling if you need it, because
Speaker:there is a point where you, maybe you can't get past the manipulation.
Speaker:You know, there's maybe there was other things going on.
Speaker:I don't know exactly what's going on in your world, but maybe there
Speaker:was other things and you really need somebody to sit down and help with you.
Speaker:The Bible has principles on honesty and integrity as well, and they can help
Speaker:guide us with this manipulative behavior.
Speaker:Look at Proverbs 1222.
Speaker:When you get a chance, it reminds us that the Lord detest lying lips, but the
Speaker:delights in people who are trustworthy.
Speaker:So my big takeaway here is try to find that balance between love and
Speaker:firmness, because that's really the key.
Speaker:So here's another pro tip.
Speaker:Listen to me on this one.
Speaker:And again, these will all be in the show notes.
Speaker:Practice assertive communication techniques to express your needs and
Speaker:those boundaries clearly and confidently.
Speaker:Let me say that again.
Speaker:Be assertive.
Speaker:Be assertive in communicating what you want for your needs and your boundaries.
Speaker:Make them clear and say them with confidence.
Speaker:This is your home.
Speaker:These are your resources.
Speaker:As I said to a client the other day, you have no obligation to provide
Speaker:for an adult child that has the capacity to provide for themselves.
Speaker:And again, I caution you to say.
Speaker:I'm saying very clearly if they have the ability to take care of themselves.
Speaker:So here's another important question to ask.
Speaker:Have you ever experienced that sibling rivalry?
Speaker:We talked about this a few minutes ago, or the tension among your children due
Speaker:to the financial support you provide?
Speaker:Listen, I see this all the time.
Speaker:It kind of happened a little bit in my world.
Speaker:I shared that with my, my mom and sister because if you don't address
Speaker:these dynamics, you are going to struggle with financial harmony.
Speaker:Listen, I remember growing up, my sister's about three and a half years
Speaker:younger than me, they're sibling already.
Speaker:If one child perceives that another is receiving more financial support
Speaker:or more favor, man, you are in for it.
Speaker:You are going to have tension and you are going to have
Speaker:resentment within the family.
Speaker:So let's take a few minutes and just talk about some practical
Speaker:strategies to avoid that or to correct it if you are in that position.
Speaker:Because let me just tell you, those type of things will cause problems that will
Speaker:reverberate for the rest of your days.
Speaker:You will always have that child that says, well, my, and I hear this all the time.
Speaker:Well mom always bailed him out or, or Dad always bailed, hurt out.
Speaker:You need to stop that.
Speaker:I'm not saying that every child gets treated the same, because you may,
Speaker:like I said, you may have a child that doesn't have the capacity, or maybe
Speaker:they, they didn't have the skills, but you need to coach them on this.
Speaker:But here are some practical strategies to get past that.
Speaker:The first thing I go back to communication again, you've got to
Speaker:be transparent in your communication.
Speaker:Explain your decisions openly and honestly to all your children.
Speaker:If there is something that you're doing for one and you're not
Speaker:doing to the other, then sit down and have a discussion about it.
Speaker:Another I'm gonna encourage you is what I call equal opportunity.
Speaker:I met with a client yesterday.
Speaker:Here's an example of this.
Speaker:His grandmother just passed away.
Speaker:Now he's, he's got two other brothers now.
Speaker:I don't know the circumstances of the whole thing, but the grandmother left
Speaker:him her house and he sat down with me and he says, Ralph, he says, you
Speaker:know what I, I don't wanna get into all that, but he says, what I'm doing
Speaker:is as soon as this house sells, I'm gonna share it with everybody because
Speaker:I think, and he didn't say this, but I think what he was saying is like, I
Speaker:don't know why my grandmother did this.
Speaker:She kind of put me in this bad spot.
Speaker:So again, if you're a parent listening to this, give your children equal
Speaker:opportunity, ensure that each child has the opportunity to receive support
Speaker:based on their needs and circumstances.
Speaker:Again, if you have a child that has special needs, and I'm
Speaker:talking about adult children here.
Speaker:If you have an adult child that needs your help, then there may be
Speaker:seasons where you have to help them.
Speaker:There may be seasons where they live with you.
Speaker:Maybe they've went through a divorce, maybe they've gone through a job change,
Speaker:maybe they've lost their job, maybe they were injured, maybe they had a disability.
Speaker:All of those things can happen and that's when you have that
Speaker:conversation as a family.
Speaker:You sit down and you talk about, which I'm gonna get to here in a second, but
Speaker:you sit down and have a conversation and say, listen, hey, Joe broke his leg.
Speaker:Joe can't afford to work right now.
Speaker:He, maybe he works in construction, you say, and he can't afford
Speaker:to make his car payment, or he can't afford to live on his own.
Speaker:He can't afford his rent.
Speaker:Well, guess what?
Speaker:Mom and dad are.
Speaker:Dad and I are going to support Joe, but here's the plan.
Speaker:We're gonna do it for six months.
Speaker:Here's his expectation is when we get past it, he's gonna pay us back.
Speaker:It all comes down to what I'm going to say next, and that is when you're
Speaker:dealing with multiple children.
Speaker:You've got to set clear expectations, establish those clear rules and
Speaker:those clear expectations for any financial assistance and communicate
Speaker:these to all of your children.
Speaker:It is so important that you don't talk to one and not talk to the other.
Speaker:That's one of the things, and I don't mean to hold it against my mom,
Speaker:but she did this her entire life.
Speaker:She would always play one against another, and all it did was cause problems.
Speaker:Not for her and I, but for my sister and I, and when she would constantly
Speaker:call me, Ralph, your sister's not doing this, your sister's doing this.
Speaker:And I said, mom, I said, it's not my responsibility.
Speaker:This is your responsibility.
Speaker:And that's why I finally, I had enough, I pulled 'em all into the room together.
Speaker:I said, we're gonna figure this out because this is
Speaker:not, this is not my circus.
Speaker:This is not my issue.
Speaker:Another thing I'm gonna tell you is, as we talk about sibling rivalry,
Speaker:is to encourage independence.
Speaker:This goes with whether you're dealing with siblings or you're just dealing
Speaker:in general, you've got to encourage independence from your children.
Speaker:They are not intended to be under your arm, under your care
Speaker:for the rest of their lives.
Speaker:Yes, you can love them, you should love them, you should pray for them.
Speaker:You should want to be a part of their lives.
Speaker:But listen, you've got to start to build that independence.
Speaker:I think that's one of the, okay, Rob's gonna get on his soapbox here
Speaker:for a minute, but I think that's one of the biggest problems that we have
Speaker:is we're raising kids that aren't being taught to be independent.
Speaker:We raised our two boys to be independent.
Speaker:We taught them about money.
Speaker:We taught them about handling their laundry, for example.
Speaker:We taught them about how to cook, how to do all those things.
Speaker:I was talking with a lady that works here with me, and she
Speaker:said this yesterday to me.
Speaker:She says, Ralph, I was one of those latchkey kids.
Speaker:And I said, you know, I was too.
Speaker:My mom and dad split up.
Speaker:Guess what?
Speaker:Mom had to go back to work.
Speaker:So I would get home from school around three o'clock, three 15,
Speaker:whatever, and I had some expectations.
Speaker:My mom expected me to start dinner.
Speaker:My mom expected me to handle my homework.
Speaker:My mom expected me to do things.
Speaker:Well, guess what?
Speaker:Now I could look back at that and say, well, that really stunk.
Speaker:It would've been nice if my mom was home, but guess what?
Speaker:And I said this to my colleague.
Speaker:I said, you know what?
Speaker:I said That built me into the person I am today.
Speaker:It really did.
Speaker:It made me understand the importance of being independent.
Speaker:And listen, if you don't take away anything else from today's show,
Speaker:encourage your children to be independent and start that young you don't need.
Speaker:And see, here's one of the problems.
Speaker:From a psychological perspective, I'm not a counselor.
Speaker:I'm not a psychiatrist.
Speaker:Don't even play one on tv.
Speaker:But I think sometimes parents actually build that dependence because
Speaker:the parent doesn't wanna let go.
Speaker:You're not helping your kids out by doing that.
Speaker:You're doing them a disservice.
Speaker:My wife has a brother.
Speaker:He's the same age as I am.
Speaker:He cannot do anything on his own because his parents never let or
Speaker:never taught him to be independent.
Speaker:Now, he has some issues that I think prevented some of that, but
Speaker:they could have done a better job.
Speaker:So you've got to foster that sense of independence and teach that
Speaker:responsibility and every child, regardless of the support they receive.
Speaker:If you are going to help a child, then make sure you're
Speaker:looking at what is the end here?
Speaker:What is the, what is the deadline, what is that time?
Speaker:We talked about that a little bit earlier in the show.
Speaker:What are you trying to get to to where they can find that
Speaker:independence and be on their own?
Speaker:Now, here's another thing I'm gonna encourage, and
Speaker:that is have family meetings.
Speaker:You know, one of the things that could have prevented this whole issue
Speaker:with my mom and sister and I is if my mom just said, you know what?
Speaker:I'm gonna call your brother and the three of us are gonna get down.
Speaker:Now again, I don't think I should have been involved.
Speaker:It wasn't my house.
Speaker:I wasn't paying any of their bills.
Speaker:But again, that would've been fine.
Speaker:Have a family meeting.
Speaker:So I'm gonna encourage you, if you're going through these situations, hold
Speaker:those regular family meetings to discuss these financial matters and
Speaker:address any concerns or tensions.
Speaker:Have a frank discussion.
Speaker:But again, stand your ground.
Speaker:It's your house, it's your resources.
Speaker:So consider this.
Speaker:Here's another pro tip.
Speaker:Maybe you wanna create a family budget that outlines the financial
Speaker:support each child receives, and then share it with them.
Speaker:This can help ensure the transparency, it can help ensure fairness, and it can
Speaker:reduce the potential for sibling rivalry.
Speaker:As an example, I know about, I guess it was about 30 years ago, my mom had two
Speaker:sisters, and my, my mom's youngest sister, I guess it would be my, my youngest,
Speaker:my, my aunt all tied up here nuts.
Speaker:But anyway, my grandparents on my mother's side helped her out by buying her a home.
Speaker:And at the time I remembered the discussion, and I don't know why
Speaker:I was involved in this, but again, my mom shared everything with me.
Speaker:That's what happens when, when your parents get divorced and you're
Speaker:left to be the man in the house.
Speaker:But that's a discussion for a whole nother day.
Speaker:But anyway.
Speaker:What was conveyed to me, what I heard was that, hey, we're helping out
Speaker:your aunt so that when when we pass away, your aunt is going to get less.
Speaker:And again, this is all part of that transparency.
Speaker:It's all part of that fairness.
Speaker:But you've got to build it in because what you don't wanna create, and I've seen this
Speaker:so I, I say this in my practice all the time, death brings out the ugly in people.
Speaker:Like people who are very nice people, people who get along with their brothers
Speaker:and sisters and aunts and uncles.
Speaker:Man, when somebody dies, it's like game on.
Speaker:Sometimes they do stuff, you're like, where did that come from?
Speaker:But now let's consider this.
Speaker:Have you ever wondered, and this is where we're gonna get biblical, have you
Speaker:ever wondered how biblical principles can help guide you in supporting
Speaker:your adult children financially?
Speaker:And these answers might just surprise you.
Speaker:See, I always wanna bring it back to that because I think that's
Speaker:where we truly find the answers.
Speaker:Biblically speaking, transitions from parental, a authority to a, to an adult,
Speaker:to adult relationships based on, they should be based on respect and honor.
Speaker:This is essential.
Speaker:This is all throughout scripture.
Speaker:You need to understand that that relationship needs to be
Speaker:based on respect and honor.
Speaker:It talks in the Bible about, you know, respect your children, honor your parents.
Speaker:You know, scriptures, and I'm gonna encourage you to read these.
Speaker:I don't have time to cover 'em today, but scriptures like Ephesians, chapter six
Speaker:verse one, Genesis chapter two, verse 24.
Speaker:They guide us in understanding the changing dynamics of those
Speaker:parent-child relationships.
Speaker:That's all biblical.
Speaker:Yes, you can tie it back right to that there is biblical for what I'm
Speaker:talking about today and helping a child in genuine need is different
Speaker:from enabling their dependence.
Speaker:I'm not talking about helping a child that's in need.
Speaker:I'm not saying that.
Speaker:I'm not saying that you shouldn't help your adult child because guess what?
Speaker:We all have issues in our lives.
Speaker:I recorded a show today and I don't wanna spill it, but I talked about how
Speaker:when I was about 20 years old, I wasn't independent, I was still in college.
Speaker:My dad was paying my bills in, man, I had a car issue.
Speaker:So I'm gonna encourage you to check in or check out next Tuesday's episode.
Speaker:When I talk about that, I talk about emergency funds.
Speaker:But see, sometimes you've got to be that parent that steps
Speaker:'em and say, you know what?
Speaker:There's a genuine need here, but that is completely different than enabling.
Speaker:So how do you handle that?
Speaker:Well, you gotta trust God's guidance in your child's life and
Speaker:allow them to learn from their experiences and their consequences.
Speaker:Talked about this a few minutes ago.
Speaker:It's okay to watch your children fail.
Speaker:You know, that's not a popular thing to say.
Speaker:People don't, you know, people are like, oh, Ralph, I can't
Speaker:believe you just said that.
Speaker:Well, guess what?
Speaker:They're never gonna learn if they don't fail.
Speaker:Now, you know, my dad was always going, you know, son, you can
Speaker:learn from other people's failures.
Speaker:Yes, you would hope so.
Speaker:But I think there comes a time.
Speaker:If you don't, if you're not careful about this, you will enable your children.
Speaker:So let them make those decisions.
Speaker:Make them suffer the consequences.
Speaker:Now, I'm not telling you to make 'em do something they
Speaker:can't get back from, not at all.
Speaker:That's a time when you might need to step in.
Speaker:But you've got to start building a, a balance between support and
Speaker:self-reliance because it is so very important to balance support with
Speaker:that biblical call for independence.
Speaker:You know, it's a tough thing to balance.
Speaker:It's tough, especially if you're in one of those manipulative situations
Speaker:or in that, on that guilt trip.
Speaker:And again, this is where you've gotta trust God's guidance in your child's life.
Speaker:You know, hopefully you've brought the child up in understanding
Speaker:who the Lord is and, and understanding what that looks like.
Speaker:And then again, like I said, let them learn from their experiences
Speaker:and have their consequences.
Speaker:It's crucial.
Speaker:Another thing it talks about in the Bible is open communication.
Speaker:That's all throughout the Bible.
Speaker:You've got to reinforce the importance of respectful dialogue.
Speaker:No, don't let your kids sit there and tear you down.
Speaker:Don't let your kids sit there and manipulate you and put
Speaker:you into a position of guilt.
Speaker:Look at the book of Proverbs 15, one.
Speaker:It reminds us that a gentle answer turns away wrath, but then the
Speaker:next thing it says, it says, but a harsh word stirs up anger.
Speaker:So here's another pro tip.
Speaker:I wanna encourage you to do this.
Speaker:Schedule regular financial check-ins with your adult child
Speaker:to discuss their progress, discuss their challenges and their goals.
Speaker:Now listen, one of the rules that my wife and I have is we don't get into
Speaker:our kids' finances unless they come to us and say, mom, dad, I need help.
Speaker:Listen, if they need help, guess what?
Speaker:Game on.
Speaker:I'm an accountant.
Speaker:I wanna see your bank statements.
Speaker:I wanna see your credit card statements.
Speaker:I want to see your bank.
Speaker:I wanna see your, your pay stubs.
Speaker:I want to know where your money's going.
Speaker:You might be saying, wait a minute, that's intrusive on your kid.
Speaker:No, it's not.
Speaker:If that kid comes to me, and I'm talking about adult kids here,
Speaker:I'm talking about younger kids, I'm talking about adult kids.
Speaker:If that adult kid comes to me and says, oh mom, oh dad, I need help.
Speaker:That sounds, Hey, great.
Speaker:Then you know what?
Speaker:We're gonna look at it all because that will help you keep
Speaker:the lines of communication open.
Speaker:Now, if they don't wanna share it, that's fine.
Speaker:Then don't ask us for money.
Speaker:It's really that simple.
Speaker:But make sure you leave those communication lines open and foster
Speaker:that sense of accountability.
Speaker:They need to be accountable.
Speaker:So let me ask you this.
Speaker:Have you ever felt at a loss on just how to encourage your adult children
Speaker:to become financially independent?
Speaker:We've kind of been going around the bend on this, so I'm gonna give you
Speaker:some strategies that will help you.
Speaker:I'm gonna call them actionable advice for parents.
Speaker:How do we get them to be financially dependent?
Speaker:'cause we talked about, you know, why they should be.
Speaker:We talked about how to handle manipulation.
Speaker:We talked about how to communicate.
Speaker:We talked about the prayer side of this.
Speaker:How do you actually foster?
Speaker:What are the actionable things that you can do as parents to help
Speaker:build that financial independence?
Speaker:I think one of the things that you absolutely have to do is
Speaker:be open and communicate your expectations and timelines.
Speaker:Be clear and consistent.
Speaker:If you have a belief that your child should be out of the house at a certain
Speaker:date, at a certain age, then you've got to communicate that it's not fair to a kid
Speaker:or an adult kid to say, Hey, you've been sitting around this house for three years
Speaker:now, and when are you gonna do something?
Speaker:If you've never said to them, Hey, our expectation, my expectation of your
Speaker:single parent is this, if you don't do that, if you don't set that up, you
Speaker:can't blame your kid for, for surfing on the couch the rest of their life.
Speaker:If you've not given them an X ramp, if you've not said to them,
Speaker:Hey, here's the expectation, here's what we expect from you.
Speaker:Which leads me to the next thing, and this is things I think a lot of parents screw
Speaker:up, and that is you've got to gradually phase out that financial assistance.
Speaker:I'm not telling you to turn off the spigot right away, man, that's not
Speaker:the way to do it, because you could cause reverberations with them.
Speaker:That could go on and on and on.
Speaker:But you've got to look at a phased in approach and communicate this.
Speaker:Have that discussion know, Hey listen, for the next six months, dad and I are
Speaker:gonna pay for this, this, and this.
Speaker:Then after that six months we're gonna pay for this, this, and this,
Speaker:and look at it as a way for them to build that self-sufficiency gradually.
Speaker:It's kinda like when you were growing up, you know, no kid was earning enough
Speaker:money for the set, the set, or the Friday night dance and, and paying their
Speaker:car payment, all this kind of stuff.
Speaker:But you know what, you've got to build in that gradual climb to where they're
Speaker:able to take those steps on their own.
Speaker:Which leads me to the next thing.
Speaker:You've got to teach financial literacy.
Speaker:We are doing a terrible job in this country of teaching our
Speaker:kids basic financial literacy.
Speaker:Yes, I said it.
Speaker:And the problem is, for the most part, most adults don't
Speaker:have good financial literacy.
Speaker:That's just a truth bomb.
Speaker:Well, if you're not teaching your kids because you don't know how to
Speaker:do it, guess what they're gonna be?
Speaker:There's gonna be a problem.
Speaker:So teach them about budgeting.
Speaker:Maybe you gotta learn it.
Speaker:At the same time, teach them about emergency funds, about managing
Speaker:money, about saving retirement and understanding credit.
Speaker:Because here's the truth, when I have a client come in and they start telling me
Speaker:about the financial woes they're having, nine times outta 10, I can look at
Speaker:their parents and say, I would bet that your parents had those same struggles.
Speaker:Or if I look at kids like adult kids who maybe in their young twenties and
Speaker:they can't save and they can't, you know, manage their money, I can look
Speaker:at their parents and go, I bet your parents struggle with the same thing.
Speaker:And I'm not picking on, I'm not judging anybody.
Speaker:It is just a truth.
Speaker:I. So you've got to start to foster that education at a young age.
Speaker:I remember with my two boys, Hey, listen, and I'm not telling you, I'm not sitting
Speaker:here preaching you, telling you I made all the right decisions because guess what?
Speaker:I made a ton of mistakes.
Speaker:But one of the things we taught our kids is how to manage money.
Speaker:We taught them how to budget money and my, my oldest son, this kid
Speaker:is a kid, kid, he's 27 years old.
Speaker:I probably should stop calling him a kid if he's listened to this.
Speaker:I apologize.
Speaker:Just a, he, he, he's a good, he's a good egg as they say.
Speaker:But he took the lesson, he learned from us about budgeting.
Speaker:He learned about having that emergency fund.
Speaker:He learned about saving for retirement.
Speaker:And that's because we made that a point.
Speaker:We made.
Speaker:We taught them what that was like.
Speaker:We gave them an allowance that they worked for.
Speaker:It wasn't just that we just hand out the money.
Speaker:There was expectations.
Speaker:In fact, when he decided to go to college, I said to him, listen, your mom and I
Speaker:aren't paying for college, and we had the capacity to do it, but I said to him.
Speaker:You need to have skin in the game.
Speaker:Which leads me to the next thing.
Speaker:Encourage your children, adult children.
Speaker:Encourage employment, encourage career development.
Speaker:One of the things that just drives me crazy is when I hear parents that
Speaker:say, ah, you know, my kids are good.
Speaker:You know, they, they'll figure it out and they, they, they're
Speaker:having their fun summer.
Speaker:That's a bad plan.
Speaker:You've got to encourage employment.
Speaker:You've gotta encourage career development.
Speaker:Listen, maybe they're not made for college.
Speaker:That's okay.
Speaker:Not everybody is designed for college, but start to give them some,
Speaker:uh, some information about trade.
Speaker:Show them different career paths, and then listen.
Speaker:Support their career goals.
Speaker:If they need help to get motivated, find ways to motivate
Speaker:them, take them to career fairs.
Speaker:Start that early.
Speaker:Explain to them what people do.
Speaker:You know, one of the things that we did when our kids were younger, and
Speaker:I have an accounting practice, so I was around a lot of business people,
Speaker:but whenever a business person and I, it just reminded me of a funny story.
Speaker:Let me tell this story.
Speaker:So I'll never forget.
Speaker:One day we were out to eat and I think it was my wife and myself and my younger son.
Speaker:I think my older son was at boarding school at the time.
Speaker:He went to military boarding school.
Speaker:And I will never forget this discussion.
Speaker:We were getting ready to go into a restaurant down in Smyrna, Delaware.
Speaker:Uh, there was a diner there, it's called the Smyrna Diner.
Speaker:And I remember it was really aggravating to me 'cause my, my youngest son
Speaker:would always order a bunch of food and he would never finish it.
Speaker:And I wasn't, I didn't have an issue with paying for his meal.
Speaker:I really got annoyed when he would order food and not, not, not, not, not eat it.
Speaker:So anyway, long story short, waitress comes up.
Speaker:I knew this lady, I think she was actually a client of mine.
Speaker:And, and I said to my son, I said, you don't realize how much money
Speaker:these waitresses and waiters make.
Speaker:He goes, dad, oh, come on.
Speaker:What are you trying to say?
Speaker:And I said, the money that you're throwing away in food, that waitress
Speaker:right there doesn't even earn in an hour.
Speaker:And he, he said, what, what are you talking about, dad?
Speaker:And, and I said to her, I can't remember her name.
Speaker:Let's say her name was Leslie.
Speaker:I don't remember her name.
Speaker:Let's say it was Leslie.
Speaker:And Leslie came up to the table and I said, Leslie, can I ask
Speaker:you a really simple question?
Speaker:And she goes, sure, sure.
Speaker:I said, can you tell my son what your hourly rate here is in the restaurant?
Speaker:And she goes, oh, Cheryl, I don't mind telling him.
Speaker:She says, I make $2 and 33 cents an hour.
Speaker:Now, at the time, that was the quote, minimum wage for,
Speaker:for servers or for waitresses.
Speaker:And my son looks at me and looks at his mom and she, he gets $2 an hour.
Speaker:I said, yeah, and I said, and think about all the food you're wasting.
Speaker:Now, she also made money with tips and all that, but again, we taught
Speaker:our children at a very young age that responsibility, which is what I'm going
Speaker:to say next, and that is you've got to model responsible financial behavior.
Speaker:You've gotta lead by example.
Speaker:If you're not leading by example, why do you wonder that your kids are struggling?
Speaker:Now, you can also support your kids in non-financial ways.
Speaker:It doesn't have to always be about money.
Speaker:You can offer them career advice.
Speaker:Maybe you can help them write a resume.
Speaker:Maybe you're good at at writing stuff.
Speaker:Maybe you're good at helping them do job searches.
Speaker:I know when our youngest was looking for a job, my wife was on the on those job
Speaker:search items, and she was just shooting 'em text after text and email after email
Speaker:and saying, Hey, apply for this job.
Speaker:Hey, apply for this job.
Speaker:Hey, do you need me to help you write a resume?
Speaker:Do you want me to help you fill out the applications?
Speaker:Because that is the key to it.
Speaker:You don't, it doesn't always come down to dollars and cents.
Speaker:It can also be things that you can do to help them along the path.
Speaker:So offer that career advice to them and offer that resume help.
Speaker:And another big thing you've got to do is set concrete financial goals together.
Speaker:If you're going to be successful in transitioning your children into
Speaker:being independent adult children, then sit down and work on some goals, put
Speaker:some time in there, set achievable goals, and then celebrate those.
Speaker:You know, encourage your children when they save that emergency
Speaker:fund or when they don't have that.
Speaker:Like a couple weeks ago, my youngest son said to me, he says, dad, I'm so happy.
Speaker:He says, I paid off my credit card.
Speaker:I said, son, that is fantastic.
Speaker:That is a great thing.
Speaker:And he said, listen.
Speaker:He said, dad, I don't ever want to get in that situation again.
Speaker:So I pulled him aside.
Speaker:I said, okay, let's talk about how you can get to that.
Speaker:So here's another pro tip with your adult children, maybe you need to use
Speaker:visual age, maybe a budgeting worksheet or, or maybe some financial goal charts.
Speaker:These are all over the internet.
Speaker:I'm gonna even encourage you maybe set up an appointment or a Zoom call
Speaker:to have me sit down and talk to you.
Speaker:You can do that by going to ask ralph.com.
Speaker:I have helped many families.
Speaker:In fact, you can even get them a copy of my first book.
Speaker:If you go to ask ralph.com, you can see my book.
Speaker:It's called Mastering Your Finances.
Speaker:It's 47 pages, but that can be a good discussion point to have as a family.
Speaker:Show them the financial concepts.
Speaker:Make them tangible and engage them, you know, as their younger kids.
Speaker:I remember when I was a kid, one of the things my mom did with me is she
Speaker:would, you know, put the change out.
Speaker:And that's how, you know, I learned to count and learn so many things.
Speaker:But I also learned, you know, what's a quarter?
Speaker:What's a dime, what's a nickel?
Speaker:So let's talk about next communicating with your adult children.
Speaker:Let me ask you this question.
Speaker:Have you ever struggled to have that open and honest conversations?
Speaker:Maybe you're saying, Ralph, that sounds great, but I can't
Speaker:even have this conversation.
Speaker:So let me give you some effective ways to resolve these issues.
Speaker:I'm gonna give you some tips for effective communication.
Speaker:Now, first thing I'm gonna tell you.
Speaker:This is true.
Speaker:Listen, if you're a married man or you're married women, you got
Speaker:a choice the right time and place.
Speaker:You gotta do the same thing with your kids.
Speaker:This is, this is not the time to have that discussion.
Speaker:When you're angry with your child or you're angry with your adult child,
Speaker:or you're upset about something they're done, that is not the time.
Speaker:You are too emotionally keyed up.
Speaker:Pick and choose your time and pick and choose your place and
Speaker:ensure that setting is conductive to a productive conversation.
Speaker:This is not the time to be in front of the tv.
Speaker:This is not the time for everybody to be on their cell phones.
Speaker:Park those things in a basket.
Speaker:Maybe get in the car, go somewhere, leave the phones at home, go
Speaker:to the park, do something.
Speaker:You've got to ensure that you've got the right time and place because it will
Speaker:not be productive if you don't have a spot to have a productive conversation.
Speaker:The next thing I'm gonna encourage you to do is express your
Speaker:intentions clearly and honestly, be transparent about your feelings.
Speaker:It's okay for you as a parent to say, listen, this is my expectation of you.
Speaker:I've said this to both of my children.
Speaker:I said, I don't mind helping you, but my expectation is this.
Speaker:If you come to me like I talked about a few minutes ago, if you come to
Speaker:me looking for assistance, I will give it to you by, here's the catch.
Speaker:I'm going to go over your budget.
Speaker:What?
Speaker:What?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:I'm gonna look at your bank statements.
Speaker:I'm gonna look at your credit card statements and all of those things
Speaker:because I am going to be transparent.
Speaker:But I'm also gonna tell you, this is what I do for a living, and as a
Speaker:parent, you should do the same thing.
Speaker:Encourage your children to do this and then listen at times.
Speaker:Shut up.
Speaker:Just actively listen to your child's perspective, because guess what, parents,
Speaker:we don't always have the right answers.
Speaker:It's okay.
Speaker:And I'm gonna encourage you show empathy, you know, have some understanding.
Speaker:And one of the things that the listener said was, she feels
Speaker:like she's being manipulated.
Speaker:She always can't find a job.
Speaker:I'm not saying she's not, that's not true.
Speaker:But what I would say is my re return to that would be was sit down with the
Speaker:child and say, what are the obstacles?
Speaker:You know, if they're just saying, well, I can't find a job.
Speaker:Okay, what are you doing to find that job?
Speaker:You know, where are you putting in application?
Speaker:Listen, we went through this with my youngest and my wife and I would
Speaker:constantly say to them, okay, where are you putting in applications?
Speaker:Why didn't do that yet?
Speaker:Okay, well when are you gonna do it?
Speaker:See if you do that and actively listen.
Speaker:They're gonna tell you what's going on, and then you can act on those things.
Speaker:Again, for clear communications, you've got to define those clear
Speaker:boundaries of support and set firm yet fair limits, and then be transparent
Speaker:about your own financial situation.
Speaker:If you are struggling to put a money aside for retirement, say to your child,
Speaker:listen, mom and dad, or maybe you're just a single parent, we can't afford to
Speaker:do this, or I can't afford to do this.
Speaker:Here's how much I need to be setting aside for retirement.
Speaker:And if your children love you and if they understand that, that will be conducive.
Speaker:To them getting on their own.
Speaker:But again, you've got to create a supportive and empathetic environment
Speaker:and foster a positive atmosphere.
Speaker:And again, another tip I'm gonna give you is frame actions as helping them to grow.
Speaker:This is not the time to sit there and judge 'em and say, I can't
Speaker:believe you haven't saved any money.
Speaker:I can't believe you don't have a job.
Speaker:Because guess what?
Speaker:This is what they're gonna hear, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker:They're not gonna hear you.
Speaker:They're not gonna hear you.
Speaker:So you've got to frame these things as helping them grow.
Speaker:Emphasize their growth, emphasize their independence.
Speaker:And here's another thing I'm gonna encourage you to do, is share
Speaker:your own past financial mistakes.
Speaker:Share those mistakes.
Speaker:Share the lessons that you learned and tell them what you learned from them.
Speaker:Because here's the thing, and this is the truth, kids are like sponges.
Speaker:Adult kids are the same way.
Speaker:When they hear, oh, mom had this struggle.
Speaker:Oh, dad had this struggle, they will understand it.
Speaker:You will build up a positive relationship with them because
Speaker:they're going hear how you struggled.
Speaker:Because then they're gonna say, oh, because here's the thing.
Speaker:You remember as a kid, used to assume your, your parents never been through
Speaker:what you've been through, right?
Speaker:They never, oh, their parents never did that.
Speaker:But if you show them, Hey, here's the mistakes I made.
Speaker:You know, I shared this with my own kids.
Speaker:Like I got myself in way over my head in college with co, with credit card debt.
Speaker:I said, here's what you don't want to do.
Speaker:And then the other thing I want you to do, two more things I'm gonna
Speaker:encourage you to do, and I know we've gone a long time today, but I just
Speaker:wanted to really share this today.
Speaker:'cause this is a question I get asked time and time again.
Speaker:But the last two things, here's the thing I want you to do.
Speaker:Emphasize your belief and their abilities.
Speaker:You know, be that champion for them, be the coach for them, and encourage
Speaker:them to believe in themselves.
Speaker:And this is one of the things that I've not gonna done a good job at.
Speaker:This is one of the things that, as I, as I say this today, as I plan for this show,
Speaker:I said, you know what, I could have done a better job of, of encouraging my children.
Speaker:And I'm gonna encourage you to do that.
Speaker:Encourage them, tell them that they have the ability to do it.
Speaker:Because listen, you have the capacity to break that child, but you also
Speaker:have the capacity to help them.
Speaker:And the final thing I'm gonna say is celebrate their achievements, acknowledge
Speaker:them, and praise their progress.
Speaker:And here is a huge pro tip.
Speaker:If you're having a communication, use I statements to express your feelings and
Speaker:needs without, uh, sounding accusatory.
Speaker:This is just, this is a good thing to talk about in life.
Speaker:For example, I feel overwhelmed when instead of, you always make me feel.
Speaker:See, here's the deal.
Speaker:If you're constantly pointing your finger and you're constantly telling
Speaker:'em about you, you, you, they're not, they're gonna phase you out.
Speaker:But when you say to them, I feel, I sense I need, then you're
Speaker:going to get through to them.
Speaker:So let's end the show with this question.
Speaker:'cause I think we need to talk about how other people have handled.
Speaker:So have you ever wondered how other families have navigated the challenge
Speaker:of supporting adult children?
Speaker:I'm gonna share with you some examples that I've seen over my lifetime.
Speaker:I wanna share some things I've found on some social media, and I think these
Speaker:things will just be an encouragement to The first one is called The Job Seeker.
Speaker:Now this is Sarah, a 27-year-old.
Speaker:She moved back home with her, her parents after graduation because
Speaker:she was struggling to find a job in her field and she was relying on
Speaker:her parents for financial support.
Speaker:Now, her parents decided to set a six month deadline.
Speaker:I've talked about this a couple times in this show, and they
Speaker:said to her, Sarah, that's great.
Speaker:You can move back in with us.
Speaker:Here are rules.
Speaker:Here's what you're gonna pay for, but there's a six month deadline.
Speaker:Well, what happened?
Speaker:Sarah found a job.
Speaker:And, and during that time, they agreed they would pay her basic expenses, not,
Speaker:not her, not her once, but her needs.
Speaker:And they also helped her by connecting her to a career counselor.
Speaker:And they encouraged her to take on part-time work.
Speaker:In the meantime.
Speaker:And from what I understand, Sarah actually got a job that was a full-time
Speaker:job because of her parents encouraging her to do that part-time work.
Speaker:Here's another case study, another, another story I heard,
Speaker:and that's called The Entrepreneur.
Speaker:This guy named Mike.
Speaker:Now, he was a 30-year-old aspiring entrepreneur who lived
Speaker:with his parents while he was trying to start his own business.
Speaker:A lot of people do that, you know, they're trying to get
Speaker:that business off the ground.
Speaker:Now, his parents agreed to support him for a year.
Speaker:They said, look, we'll support you for a year.
Speaker:But here was their understanding.
Speaker:They had an understanding with him that he would take on a part-time job to
Speaker:cover some of his household expenses.
Speaker:They set clear boundaries.
Speaker:Uh, about which business expenses they will cover and not cover.
Speaker:They weren't going to fund his, you know, his resort living lifestyle
Speaker:or whatever that looked like.
Speaker:They said, here's what we're willing to do, here's what we're willing to pay for.
Speaker:And finally, I call this one the student.
Speaker:Now this is Emily.
Speaker:She was a 25-year-old graduate student who's living in home to save money.
Speaker:And again, her parents agreed to cover her living expenses while she's in school.
Speaker:I think that's a reasonable thing to do with the expectation that she's
Speaker:gonna contribute to household chores, she's gonna maintain good grades, and
Speaker:they also established a plan for her to start paying rent once she graduated
Speaker:and finds a job because they want to.
Speaker:You wanna build that encouragement.
Speaker:So here's my final pro tip.
Speaker:Tailor your approach to your child's unique situation.
Speaker:'cause listen.
Speaker:What works for one family might not work for another family.
Speaker:I don't know all the, the details, I don't know all the nuances of
Speaker:what's going on in your family.
Speaker:I, I can't answer a question that says, well, you must do one, two, and three.
Speaker:That's why I have given you a ton of ideas, a ton of pro tips, a
Speaker:ton of weight practice ideas to do this, because I don't know exactly
Speaker:what the dynamic is in your house.
Speaker:I don't know what training you have or haven't given your kids.
Speaker:I don't know what needs your kids have, but I will tell you this
Speaker:big overall thing, the key is open communication and clear expectations,
Speaker:because here in the end, remember, I.
Speaker:You're not alone in this journey.
Speaker:That's one of the beautiful things about this.
Speaker:Why I love doing this show.
Speaker:God is with you and his guidance, his guidance for you is just a prayer away.
Speaker:And that is so important because prayer is a powerful tool that can bring you peace.
Speaker:It can bring you wisdom, and it's okay, and it can bring you clarity even
Speaker:in the most challenging situations.
Speaker:It's a way to invite God into your struggles and trust them because
Speaker:listen, God has a plan for this.
Speaker:So as you're praying, ask him about wisdom.
Speaker:Ask for wisdom in setting those boundaries and making decisions
Speaker:about financial support.
Speaker:Seek his guidance in helping you find the path for your independent or for your
Speaker:children's independence and give listen.
Speaker:Now, a lot of people say, don't pray about patients, but I'm gonna put it here.
Speaker:I'm gonna say, pray for patients.
Speaker:Pray for understanding as you navigate this journey together.
Speaker:Because guess what?
Speaker:You're going through it and so are your children.
Speaker:And I'm gonna talk to you about provision.
Speaker:Trust God to provide for your needs and your child needs according to his will.
Speaker:I'm not saying to just sit there and don't do anything about it, but, and
Speaker:the final thing I think you should pray for is unity, because let me just
Speaker:tell you, I've seen this play out, pray for unity and harmony within your
Speaker:family because even in the face of sibling rivalry or financial strain,
Speaker:that is what you really need to have.
Speaker:So let's get to our key takeaways for today.
Speaker:I just wanna summarize, it's important to understand the
Speaker:financial reality and the reasons behind your child's extended state.
Speaker:You need to understand why.
Speaker:That's the first starting point.
Speaker:I started with that and I stand by that.
Speaker:Then you've gotta sell, set healthy boundaries.
Speaker:You gotta deal with those manipulative behaviors, address that sibling
Speaker:rivalry and approach the situation from a Christian perspective.
Speaker:I wanna encourage you to encourage them with financial
Speaker:independence and start that young.
Speaker:Do it through open communication.
Speaker:Do it through education and setting goals together, and then maintain a
Speaker:supportive and empathetic environment during these conversations.
Speaker:Remember this, the power of prayer in seeking God's guidance and trusting him
Speaker:is in his divine plan for your family.
Speaker:Now listen, as I, as I close out today, Navi, navigating
Speaker:this situation is a journey.
Speaker:It is not a destination, and it's gonna require grace and wisdom.
Speaker:You're doing what's best for both of you.
Speaker:Hear me on this.
Speaker:If you've gotten to this point of the show, you are doing
Speaker:what's best for both of you, and you're taking the right approach.
Speaker:And if you do that right approach, you can help your child
Speaker:achieve financial independence while securing your own future.
Speaker:So I want to encourage you, if you want more of what I can on the show every
Speaker:day, you can come to ask ralph.com.
Speaker:But I also wanna encourage you to sign up for our newsletter.
Speaker:The newsletter will give you a daily dose of Ralph.
Speaker:You can find out what's going on in the show.
Speaker:I have tips and resources and all kinds of stuff to help you
Speaker:become part of our community.
Speaker:You get to that by going to ask Ralph podcast.com/newsletter because I wanna
Speaker:encourage you to be a part of our community and let's support each other.
Speaker:So as I close, reflect on your own situation, pray for wisdom and
Speaker:guidance, and consider having open conversations with your child.
Speaker:And if needed, seek help from trusted advisors or pastors.
Speaker:And remember this as I close today.
Speaker:God is with you in this journey.
Speaker:Trust his guidance and know that you are doing what's best for both of you.
Speaker:And with love and firmness, you can help your child grow Intel
Speaker:responsible and independent adult.
Speaker:So thank you for joining me today.
Speaker:Be sure to tune in next time.
Speaker:I think Craig will be back next week for more insights on faith and finance.
Speaker:And until then, stay blessed and stay wise and God bless you and goodbye.