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Are your adult children still living at home?

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Are you struggling to support them financially while also

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planning for your own future?

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Well, today we're gonna dive into a listener's question about the

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challenges of supporting grown kids who haven't left a nest.

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We're gonna explore some practical advice.

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I'm gonna give you some biblical wisdom, and we're gonna talk about

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some real life case studies to help you navigate this complex situation.

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We're gonna discover the hidden cause of supporting adult children,

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why they might not be leaving the nest at home, how to set healthy

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financial boundaries, how to deal with manipulated behavior and sibling rivalry.

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And I'm gonna give you biblical principles to guide you through this

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journey, as well as some strategies to encourage financial independence.

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And we're gonna end it all with the power of prayer in seeking God's guidance.

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So don't miss this crucial discussion as we provide actionable steps

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and spiritual insights to help you balance love and responsibility.

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Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of the Ask Ralph Show.

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This is your weekly live show where we tackle tough questions

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about faith and finance, and hey, just about everything in between.

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And today we've got a particularly compelling question from one

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of our listeners that I think many of you can relate to.

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It's about the challenge of supporting adult children

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who are still living at home.

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Hey, this is a situation that's becoming increasingly common and

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it's causing a lot of stress and it's causing financial strains for parents.

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But first, let's hear from our listener who sent in this question and they're

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struggling with this very situation.

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Here's what they had to say.

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Says, dear Ralph, I'm really struggling right now.

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My daughter, who is 28, has been living at home for the past three years.

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She had a rough time finding a job after college and has been

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dealing with student loan debt.

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At first, I was happy to support her, but it's been taking a toll on

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my finances and my peace of mind.

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I'm paying for the groceries, I'm paying for the phone bill, and even

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her car insurance feels like she's taken advantage of my kindness

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and I'm not sure how to handle it.

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I've tried talking to her about getting a job, but she always has an excuse.

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Either the job market is tough or she's not feeling well.

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I'm tired, torn between.

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I'm torn because I wanna help her, but I also need to think about my own future.

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I'm 55 and I haven't been able to save much for retirement

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because of these expenses.

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I feel guilty saying no, but I'm getting overwhelmed.

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Can you gimme some advice on how to navigate this situation?

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I wanna do what's best for both of us, but I'm not sure where to start.

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Thank you.

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And that was signed.

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A conflicted parent.

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And lemme just tell you that is a powerful question.

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So today we're gonna get into a topic that many of you have been asking me about.

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I've gotten several emails and several notices about this.

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You know what to do when your grown kids won't fly the coop.

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Are your adults kids still at home?

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If they are, you're not alone.

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And so I'm gonna start by asking this very interesting question, and that's this.

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Have you ever stopped to consider just how much it's costing you to support

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your adult children financially?

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And let me just tell you, these numbers might just shock you.

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You ready for this?

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On average, parents spend around and listen to this.

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You're not gonna believe this, about $1,400 a month

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supporting their adult children.

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Now you might be saying, Ralph, what makes that up?

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Well, this includes groceries.

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It includes rent, phone bills, sometimes even credit card bills,

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vacations, tuition, and car expenses for Gen Z and baby boomer parents,

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this financial burden is often higher.

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Listen to this study.

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According to a study, parents who support their adult children could

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lose up to and ready for this one, $227,000 in retirement savings.

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They could lose up to that because they're still supporting their adult children.

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And listen, think about that for a minute.

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This can significantly impact your future financial security.

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Lemme just tell you about some of the common expenses that parents are covering.

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This is what I found in my research in general, grocery 76%, 76% of parents

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are covering some level of groceries.

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44% are covering rent, 39% are covering phone bills.

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23% are covering credit card bills.

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15% are covering vacations, 10% are covering tuition, and car expenses are 8%.

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Hey, this is a significant strain on household budgets, especially for

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those who are near in retirement.

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So I'm gonna give you a bunch of pro tips today, and I'm gonna

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start with this one right away because I wanna give you actionable

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things that you can work on today.

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So here's my first pro trip.

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Track your expenses to understand the full impact of supporting your adult

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children, because if you don't really know how much you're spending, you

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might have just heard me say those things and you're probably thinking,

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Ralph, I don't spend anywhere near that.

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Well, guess what?

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That is the average.

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So if you're tracking these things, that's why I said this is my first

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pro trip is to look at that, see what you're spending because it's

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gonna help you make an informed decision about your financial future.

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So let me ask you this question.

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Have you ever wondered why your adult children are still living at home?

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Because I think that's where we need to start this discussion.

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We talked already about what it's costing you, but let's talk

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about why your adult children are stiffening, still living at home.

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Because I think these reasons might surprise you.

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And when I did my research for the show today, here's what I found.

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The biggest one is financial pressures.

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It's that high cost of living, an expensive house of market.

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It it's expensive to live on your own.

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And here's another thing that a lot of people don't talk about.

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It's that student loan debt.

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All those things are very common.

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So that's the first thing.

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These financial pressures, the high cost of living.

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Yeah, it's expensive.

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My, my, my youngest son is going through this.

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He lives on his own.

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It's not cheap.

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The housing market, especially where we live in our area, is expensive

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and a lot of people are burdened with this student loan debt.

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Another thing, another reason is job market challenges.

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You know, there are precarious work environments.

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It's difficult finding stable, well paying jobs if you've been in the market for

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a job, you know, a lot of people say, well, you know, if you don't wanna work

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right now, you, you, you can find a job.

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Well, that's not necessarily true.

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Again, it depends on your skillset and it depends on your adaptability, whether

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you're willing to take on that job.

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Another big reason is what I'll call societal shifts.

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You know, later age for milestones like marriage and home ownership.

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A lot of people are deciding now, and I'm not saying that I'm disagreeing

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with this, but a lot of people are deciding to get married later.

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They're deciding to buy that hou first house later.

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They're deciding to have children later.

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And that just is a overall societal shift and, and that's okay.

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I'm just wanting to point that out to you as we discuss why people are still,

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our adult children are still in the nest.

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Another one is family dynamics.

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A lot of times we've got really close relationships.

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We that get it comfort of home and that potential for mutual benefit because,

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hey, here's the truth, a lot of children are helping out with their parents.

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They're helping 'em pay bills and maybe they're helping 'em

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with their financial situation.

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Maybe they're helping 'em with doing things around the

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house or those type of things.

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You know, we got this.

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Term that's thrown around called failure to launch, and it's often used to

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describe this situation and see societal comfort levels have shifted on this.

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You know, now it's much more acceptable for adult children to live at home longer.

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So here's my next pro tip.

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You got to understand the reasons behind your child's extended stay so that you

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can help address the root causes and find solutions that work for both of

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you, because that's really the key.

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Hey, it could be a situation like, I was talking to somebody in my

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office here yesterday and she said, you know, Ralph, sometimes

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the kids are asked to stay there.

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The adult children, I call 'em kids, but adult children, they're asked to

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stay there because they're helping out.

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Maybe they're helping with some medical issues, maybe they're

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helping, you know, fund the household.

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I mean, that's just a legitimate thing.

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Now, the, the, the goal of my show today was talk about when those

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adult children won't find the coop, and it's this financial burden.

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So I'm going to make an assumption.

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For today's discussion that we're talking about a situation where they won't leave

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and it's causing a financial struggle.

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So let me move on to the next topic, and let me ask you another question.

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Have you ever considered how supporting your adult children might be

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jeopardizing your own retirement plans?

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And that's what I wanna talk about.

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I wanna park here for just a couple minutes and talk about the financial

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side of this, because here is the truth.

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Many parents prioritize their children's expenses over

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their own retirement savings.

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And listen, I see this time and time again in my practice, people will come in and

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meet with me and I'll sit down with them and they'll say, Ralph, you know, I really

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wanna put more aside for retirement, but I've still got my son living with me, or

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I've still got my daughter living with me.

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And I said, wait a minute.

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These kids are like 30 years old.

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When are they going to fly the cou?

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Or at least contribute to what's going on at the house?

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Because if you don't recognize that we talked about that number, that

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$227,000 number at the beginning of the show today, and that is going to

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impact your retirement, basically you are not able to put away as much money

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because you're paying those expenses.

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And listen, the end of the day, this can lead to delayed retirement or

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even financial secure insecurity later in life and quit and listen to this

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study like I talked about before.

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I. Adult parents who support their adult, excuse me, parents

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who support their adult children.

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Like I said, this is a big number, $227,000 in retirement savings.

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Hey, listen, I don't know about you, but that could have a significant impact

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on your future financial security.

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Now, this is a Christian faith show, so we gotta talk about

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the biblical side of this.

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Now we are called to be good stewards of our resources and plan for the future.

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Proverbs chapter six, verses 68, reminds us to be wise and prepare

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for the future, but it's critical and it's crucial to prioritize your own

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retirement and your emergency funds.

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Now this doesn't mean you can't support your children.

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I am never gonna, you're never gonna hear me say, I don't think

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you should support your children.

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That's not what I'm saying at all.

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But you have to find that balance.

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It's so important to find that balance with your needs and theirs.

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And listen, if you've got a kid that's riding a sofa in the basement, hey,

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it's time to get them, put them to work, maybe charge them some rent.

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So here's another pro tip.

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Set aside a specific portion of your income for retirement savings and

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treat that as a non-negotiable expense.

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And I, I dare say this.

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Make that the first payment.

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Now, if you wanna support your kids, you want to help them

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out, that's fine, but make sure you're covering your basis first.

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Make sure you're putting that money away for retirement later.

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So let's move on to our next big thing to discuss, and let me ask you this.

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Have you struggled with setting those financial boundaries

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with your adult children?

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If you are, you're not alone.

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I hear this time and time again, but listen, it's crucial for

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not only their growth, but also for your financial health.

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Here are some very practical strategies.

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One of the things I wanted to cover on today's show is I wanted

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to make sure I was gonna give you some practical strategies

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of how to handle this situation.

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Because listen, I see this a lot.

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I see this routinely, and it causes struggle.

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So one of the first things I'm gonna tell you to do, I think this one is the

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most crucial thing, is you've got to establish clear rules and expectations.

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You know, you gotta emphasize that need for open communication.

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You need to have a discussion with your kids.

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It's okay to say your kids, listen, I can't continue to

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pay for all these things.

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I can't continue to support you.

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You're able to work, you're able to bring in money now, which leads me to the second

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thing, and this is gonna be controversial.

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A lot of people might send me hate mail about this one, but maybe

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you've gotta consider charging rent.

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Now, again, it depends on the situation.

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If your, if your adult child has the ability to work and they aren't

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helping out around the house, and it doesn't necessarily have to be rent.

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It could be, Hey, you're eating the food here, you're eating the groceries.

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It's costing us more for utilities.

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Our electric bill is more, our water bill is more, Hey,

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I'm paying for your insurance.

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I'm paying for your car payments.

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It is.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Ralph said it.

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It's okay to suggest a reasonable amount or a percentage of

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their income be paid in rent.

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That's just a truth.

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If, if there are, here's a great example.

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Let's say husband and wife, and you've got a kid living there with you.

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Well, basically the truth is maybe that kid needs to kick up a third of that.

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That's what's going on.

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I mean, if you think about if that person's not paying for their groceries,

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if they're not paying for their share of the utilities, which leads me to

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the next practical piece of advice, and that is define who is responsible for

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specific bills and share those expenses.

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It's okay.

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For example, I was dealing with, uh, a friend of mine not too long ago,

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and he was making a list of all the different subscriptions they have to

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their TVs and their internet, and he says, I'm the one paying all these bills.

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He says, Ralph, I don't even watch these things.

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I don't even connect to these things.

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I gave him some really bold advice I said.

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Turn 'em off.

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And I said, and if your kids, you're, and these are adult kids

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we're talking about, these are kids who are, have the capacity to work.

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They have their own jobs.

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I said, turn 'em off.

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And if they want 'em, let them sign up for them in their name.

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Now, the downside to that is he says, yeah, but Ralph, they don't

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even have their own credit cards.

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Well, ding, ding, ding.

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There's another problem.

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Get them to start managing their own money.

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Now, another thing I wanna talk about here in, in the practical

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discussion here is let's have a discussion about loans versus gifts.

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Because you've got to really be clear and you've got to discuss this.

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You've gotta structure financial assistance with either, Hey,

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this is a gift or this is a loan.

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But you've got to be clear about that because what happens from an emotional

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standpoint, if you don't lay that, lay those things out in clear details.

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You may just be building animosity.

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On both of you.

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And listen, I think it's okay if you say to your child, Hey,

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excuse me, you wanna come back for three to six months, that's fine.

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But you are going to need to help out.

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You are going to need to, to, to, to, to contribute.

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And if you are not, then guess what?

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I'm starting a loan.

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I said this to my youngest son one time.

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I said, Hey, I'm not the bank of dad, it's just not the way it works.

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I said, if you wanna, if you want us to pay for stuff, that's fine.

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We'll give you a line of credit.

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But listen, number one, and again, I might get hate messages about this.

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Number one, you're gonna pay us interest.

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Number two, you're going to make us monthly payments.

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Listen, for example, my youngest is on my cell phone bill.

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He has his own job, he has his own place to live, and every month I

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put him on our cell phone bill.

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But I say to him, Hey dude, where's your money for your cell phone bill?

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It's okay to do that.

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It's okay to say, Hey, this is not something we're just

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going to cover in perpetuity.

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You know, you are past the age of when we supported you.

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Another, another practical strategy is limit discretionary spending.

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This is where you've got to focus on their essential needs.

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For example, like I talked about with the person with their subscription

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services, Hey, if you've got a child that's struggling, and again, I

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say adult child, it's not the time to pay for those little extras.

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I had a client in the other day.

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It was kind of funny the way he said it to me, and I dunno

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if I'll recall it directly.

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I think he said, he said he turned 18 and he wasn't going to college

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and all this kind of stuff.

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And his parents said, okay, that's great.

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Well you wanna stay here, that's fine.

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Here's your rent.

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This is what's gonna cost you a month.

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And he said, I remember Ralph.

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He says, well, a week or so ago, or a week or so after that, he said, my

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mom had had had started making dinner.

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And I said, what are we having for dinner?

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She says, this is dinners for your father and I, if you want to eat dinner

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with us, I can certainly make you a plate, but it's gonna be 10 bucks.

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Now, a lot of people might be saying, Ralph, how could they do that?

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Well, again, you're trying to teach your kids to be independent.

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I'm not saying to be nasty with them.

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I'm not saying to be difficult with them, but listen, if you don't start

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to give them the ability to make better decisions, if you don't help build in

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that financial independence, you are going to have a child that is going to

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live with you the rest of your life.

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And guess what?

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You're not gonna be able to afford it.

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Retirement isn't designed to focus on you and your child.

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It's designed to focus on you.

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So focus on those essential needs.

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Now here's another great practical thing.

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Set a timeline.

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You know, discuss the expected duration of a living arrangement

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and the milestones for independence.

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It's okay to say to your child, listen, I know you're struggling right now.

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Maybe they lost their job.

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Maybe they're just outta college, and they just, they're just working

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to get that, that first job.

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It's okay to say to them, Hey, you've got three months, you've got

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six months, you've got nine months.

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But frame that boundary.

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It's a act of love that ultimately benefits them because you're going

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to foster responsibility in them.

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You don't wanna enable them.

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I have seen this so many times.

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I remember two or three years ago, I had a client come in and she was

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almost in tears sitting in my office.

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She goes, Ralph, I'm running outta money because I'm still supporting

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my 50-year-old adult child.

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Well, if you don't have an expectation with them, if you don't set, you

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know, strong limits and all those type of things, you are going to have an

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adult child that's never gonna leave.

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Now, again, I'm not talking about people or adult children who have disabilities.

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I'm not talking about that.

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I'm not talking about adult children who can't do things on their own.

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I'm talking about children who decide not to do things on

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their own because guess what?

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There's a lot of that goes on.

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And remember, look at the book of Ephesians four 15.

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I don't have time to cover it right now, but it reminds us

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about speaking truth and love.

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I'm gonna encourage you to go read it because that's what you need to do here.

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You need to speak truth and love to your, to your adult children

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and say, listen, I really love you.

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I really want to help you, but the best way I can help you is

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not to continue to enable you.

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So here's another pro tip.

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I told you I'd give you a lot of pro tips in here.

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There's a lot of these.

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I've also put 'em in the show notes, but write down the

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boundaries and the expectations you've agreed on with your child.

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I said, you've agreed on, but you've agreed on with your child.

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You know, it, it's like a contract.

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Have a clear written agreement.

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That way you avoid any misunderstandings and conflicts because you don't want that.

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You don't want those, those, those misunderstandings.

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You don't want those conflicts because what happens is, and I actually had

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this in my own family, I'm a, I'll tell a little personal story here.

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About 10 years ago, I guess my, my sister and my mom were living together

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and my mother, uh, God rest her soul.

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She'd just been dead two years now, the other day, and, and I was thinking

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about this the other day, and, and this isn't throwing any negative

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towards my sister, but my mom would constantly put me in the middle of this

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conversation between her and my sister.

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She'd call me and say, Ralph, you know, I don't understand your, your

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sister's not helping out your sisters.

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And again, I'm not choosing sides.

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First of all, and I'll talk about this a little bit later, that sibling rivalry

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thing, but my mom put me on the spot.

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She said, Ralph, you know, can you talk to your sister?

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And I remember I had had enough, one day, my wife and I, we were out to eat one

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night and I said, you know what, I'm done.

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I drove right to my mother's house.

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I will never forget this.

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I, my wife says I'm gonna sit in the car 'cause I don't wanna get involved in this.

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I went in, sat in my mother's rec room and I said to the two of 'em, I said, listen,

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I am tired of being in the middle of this.

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You guys need to figure out your stuff on your own.

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And it was all because there was no clear understanding, there

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was no clear expectation of what was expected of each of them.

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And I said, I don't need to be in the middle of this.

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You need to put those things in writing so that there are no conflicts.

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So let me ask you this, and this is where we're gonna get into some, it's

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gonna be a difficult conversation.

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That's this question.

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Have you ever felt manipulated or guilted by your adult children

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when it comes to financial support?

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Because listen, I've had situations, not in my own life.

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My kids are pretty responsible, especially my oldest son and my youngest son.

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I only have two sons.

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But you know, they're very responsible.

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They know that they're not gonna come to me.

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I'm not the bank of dad anymore.

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But there are situations that I hear about from clients where their adult children

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are, frankly, they're being manipulative.

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They're being, they're being, they're just, just, just nasty to their parents,

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and they're putting a guilt trip on them.

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And listen, if you're a parent listening to this, you've got to recognize those

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things and you've got to address that manipulative behavior because you

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got to set those healthy boundaries.

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I remember one time I was in counseling.

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Yes.

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Ralph went to counseling, believe it or not.

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Well, anyway, this counts.

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He was a Christian counselor, he was an associate pastor at our church.

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And he said, Ralph, and I remember what we were talking about.

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We were talking about boundaries in some regard.

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And he says, Ralph, he says, think about this.

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I live out in the country now.

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He lived out, out, you know, near where I live now.

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And, and he had this house, and right next door to him was an Amish farm.

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Now, Amish farm, if you're not familiar with the Amish, it's

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a very, uh, religious sect.

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They, they don't really use cars, they don't use electricity,

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all that kind of things.

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They're, they're sort of, I don't wanna say negative, in

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a good way, in a good way.

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They're sort of, they're set in their ways.

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They just kind of separate themselves.

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Well, anyway.

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Whole point of the story was he said, you know, I can't really blame my

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neighbor when his cow wanders into my backyard if I haven't built a fence.

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And he says, so what I'm trying to explain to you is I needed to set that boundary.

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Now, once I set the boundary, if his cow was like coming and I got cows,

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I raised black Angus cows, I get it.

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But if you don't set those boundaries, if you don't set those boundaries with your

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kids, you're going to have these problems.

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So it is so important to recognize that manipulative behavior, such as

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guilt trips or emotional blackmail, or, or them playing the victim.

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These tactics can make it difficult to set those boundaries, but you've

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got to recognize those things.

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And as the the listener said here in her message today, she says,

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Ralph, I feel guilty, but I feel like she's taken advantage of me.

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So I promised you some effective strategies.

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So here are some effective strategies for handling that manipulation.

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And the first one is what we just talked about.

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You've got to set clear boundaries, communicate your limits firmly and calmly.

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You don't have to go crazy about it, you don't have to scream about it and

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pound on the walls and throw stuff.

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But communicate your limits firmly and calmly and dare

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I say, put them in writing.

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And then once you do that, once you've had that, what we'll call the meaning

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of the minds, and it might come down to saying, listen, I remember when I was a

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kid, my mom and dad, and mostly my mom.

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'cause I live with my mom.

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My mom and dad split up, but, but my mom said, look, if you

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wanna live under this roof.

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You're gonna follow the rules.

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Well, guess what?

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When I'm an adult child, if I wanna live under their roof,

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I gotta follow the rules.

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That's just the truth.

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And then once you set those boundaries, and look, it might

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be a very difficult conversation.

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It might be one of those conversations that you just do not want to have.

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But listen, as the guy said about the Amish farmer next door, if I don't

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set the boundaries, Ralph, how can I even argue that they're, they're

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going against those boundaries.

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So once you set those boundaries, the next step is to stick to your principles.

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Don't give into emotional pressure.

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Don't give into that.

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The woe is me or the, oh, the sad.

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Oh, I can't find a job.

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Oh, I can't do this.

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I can't do that.

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Now again, there may be reasons why they can't do it, but don't

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buy into that emotional pressure because all you're doing is teaching

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them to be more manipulative.

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Another thing I'm gonna do is tell you to encourage accountability.

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Help your adult children see the consequences of their actions.

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Say to them, Hey, when you don't go to work, is it a big shock

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that you're not getting paid?

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Is it a big shock that you lose your job?

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Is it a big shock?

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You don't take care of yourself.

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These are their consequences.

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And as a parent, and I've learned this, my kids are 23.

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My son will soon be 24.

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My oldest is 27.

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I guess it was about, I don't know, five or 10 years ago.

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I can't remember exactly when, but somebody said this and I

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said, you know, this is brilliant.

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They said, you have to be the parent that allows your children to fail.

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And see, that's not a popular thing to say.

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People get upset when when you say, oh, you know, I can't dare sit there

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and watch my, my children fail.

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But I see adults entering retirement who are failing because of the fact

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that they won't let their children fail.

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I'm gonna tell a very rough story, but there was a time when my youngest son

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decided he wasn't going to school anymore.

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And I told him, I said, dude, when you're 18, there's the door.

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He ended up living in his truck for two weeks and a lot of people say,

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Ralph, how could you do that to him?

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Well, guess what?

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Living in his trucks two weeks, it taught him a very, very important thing.

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And that is, I better work.

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I better make money.

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Yes, it was hard for me.

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It was hard for me to do that for him.

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And you notice I said, do that for him.

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I didn't say do that to him.

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I said to do that for him because it doesn't help anybody if you are not

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showing them how to be independent.

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Which leads me to my next thing that I think you really need to consider doing,

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and that is if you're in that situation where there's manipulation, hey, it

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could even be threats of violence and all those sort of things, that's when

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you need to bring in professional help.

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Maybe consider family therapy or, or counseling if you need it, because

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there is a point where you, maybe you can't get past the manipulation.

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You know, there's maybe there was other things going on.

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I don't know exactly what's going on in your world, but maybe there

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was other things and you really need somebody to sit down and help with you.

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The Bible has principles on honesty and integrity as well, and they can help

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guide us with this manipulative behavior.

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Look at Proverbs 1222.

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When you get a chance, it reminds us that the Lord detest lying lips, but the

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delights in people who are trustworthy.

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So my big takeaway here is try to find that balance between love and

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firmness, because that's really the key.

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So here's another pro tip.

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Listen to me on this one.

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And again, these will all be in the show notes.

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Practice assertive communication techniques to express your needs and

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those boundaries clearly and confidently.

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Let me say that again.

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Be assertive.

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Be assertive in communicating what you want for your needs and your boundaries.

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Make them clear and say them with confidence.

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This is your home.

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These are your resources.

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As I said to a client the other day, you have no obligation to provide

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for an adult child that has the capacity to provide for themselves.

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And again, I caution you to say.

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I'm saying very clearly if they have the ability to take care of themselves.

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So here's another important question to ask.

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Have you ever experienced that sibling rivalry?

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We talked about this a few minutes ago, or the tension among your children due

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to the financial support you provide?

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Listen, I see this all the time.

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It kind of happened a little bit in my world.

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I shared that with my, my mom and sister because if you don't address

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these dynamics, you are going to struggle with financial harmony.

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Listen, I remember growing up, my sister's about three and a half years

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younger than me, they're sibling already.

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If one child perceives that another is receiving more financial support

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or more favor, man, you are in for it.

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You are going to have tension and you are going to have

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resentment within the family.

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So let's take a few minutes and just talk about some practical

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strategies to avoid that or to correct it if you are in that position.

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Because let me just tell you, those type of things will cause problems that will

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reverberate for the rest of your days.

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You will always have that child that says, well, my, and I hear this all the time.

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Well mom always bailed him out or, or Dad always bailed, hurt out.

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You need to stop that.

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I'm not saying that every child gets treated the same, because you may,

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like I said, you may have a child that doesn't have the capacity, or maybe

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they, they didn't have the skills, but you need to coach them on this.

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But here are some practical strategies to get past that.

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The first thing I go back to communication again, you've got to

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be transparent in your communication.

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Explain your decisions openly and honestly to all your children.

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If there is something that you're doing for one and you're not

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doing to the other, then sit down and have a discussion about it.

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Another I'm gonna encourage you is what I call equal opportunity.

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I met with a client yesterday.

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Here's an example of this.

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His grandmother just passed away.

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Now he's, he's got two other brothers now.

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I don't know the circumstances of the whole thing, but the grandmother left

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him her house and he sat down with me and he says, Ralph, he says, you

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know what I, I don't wanna get into all that, but he says, what I'm doing

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is as soon as this house sells, I'm gonna share it with everybody because

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I think, and he didn't say this, but I think what he was saying is like, I

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don't know why my grandmother did this.

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She kind of put me in this bad spot.

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So again, if you're a parent listening to this, give your children equal

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opportunity, ensure that each child has the opportunity to receive support

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based on their needs and circumstances.

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Again, if you have a child that has special needs, and I'm

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talking about adult children here.

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If you have an adult child that needs your help, then there may be

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seasons where you have to help them.

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There may be seasons where they live with you.

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Maybe they've went through a divorce, maybe they've gone through a job change,

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maybe they've lost their job, maybe they were injured, maybe they had a disability.

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All of those things can happen and that's when you have that

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conversation as a family.

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You sit down and you talk about, which I'm gonna get to here in a second, but

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you sit down and have a conversation and say, listen, hey, Joe broke his leg.

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Joe can't afford to work right now.

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He, maybe he works in construction, you say, and he can't afford

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to make his car payment, or he can't afford to live on his own.

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He can't afford his rent.

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Well, guess what?

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Mom and dad are.

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Dad and I are going to support Joe, but here's the plan.

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We're gonna do it for six months.

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Here's his expectation is when we get past it, he's gonna pay us back.

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It all comes down to what I'm going to say next, and that is when you're

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dealing with multiple children.

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You've got to set clear expectations, establish those clear rules and

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those clear expectations for any financial assistance and communicate

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these to all of your children.

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It is so important that you don't talk to one and not talk to the other.

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That's one of the things, and I don't mean to hold it against my mom,

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but she did this her entire life.

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She would always play one against another, and all it did was cause problems.

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Not for her and I, but for my sister and I, and when she would constantly

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call me, Ralph, your sister's not doing this, your sister's doing this.

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And I said, mom, I said, it's not my responsibility.

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This is your responsibility.

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And that's why I finally, I had enough, I pulled 'em all into the room together.

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I said, we're gonna figure this out because this is

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not, this is not my circus.

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This is not my issue.

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Another thing I'm gonna tell you is, as we talk about sibling rivalry,

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is to encourage independence.

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This goes with whether you're dealing with siblings or you're just dealing

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in general, you've got to encourage independence from your children.

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They are not intended to be under your arm, under your care

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for the rest of their lives.

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Yes, you can love them, you should love them, you should pray for them.

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You should want to be a part of their lives.

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But listen, you've got to start to build that independence.

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I think that's one of the, okay, Rob's gonna get on his soapbox here

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for a minute, but I think that's one of the biggest problems that we have

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is we're raising kids that aren't being taught to be independent.

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We raised our two boys to be independent.

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We taught them about money.

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We taught them about handling their laundry, for example.

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We taught them about how to cook, how to do all those things.

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I was talking with a lady that works here with me, and she

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said this yesterday to me.

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She says, Ralph, I was one of those latchkey kids.

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And I said, you know, I was too.

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My mom and dad split up.

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Guess what?

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Mom had to go back to work.

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So I would get home from school around three o'clock, three 15,

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whatever, and I had some expectations.

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My mom expected me to start dinner.

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My mom expected me to handle my homework.

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My mom expected me to do things.

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Well, guess what?

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Now I could look back at that and say, well, that really stunk.

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It would've been nice if my mom was home, but guess what?

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And I said this to my colleague.

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I said, you know what?

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I said That built me into the person I am today.

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It really did.

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It made me understand the importance of being independent.

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And listen, if you don't take away anything else from today's show,

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encourage your children to be independent and start that young you don't need.

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And see, here's one of the problems.

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From a psychological perspective, I'm not a counselor.

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I'm not a psychiatrist.

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Don't even play one on tv.

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But I think sometimes parents actually build that dependence because

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the parent doesn't wanna let go.

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You're not helping your kids out by doing that.

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You're doing them a disservice.

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My wife has a brother.

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He's the same age as I am.

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He cannot do anything on his own because his parents never let or

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never taught him to be independent.

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Now, he has some issues that I think prevented some of that, but

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they could have done a better job.

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So you've got to foster that sense of independence and teach that

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responsibility and every child, regardless of the support they receive.

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If you are going to help a child, then make sure you're

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looking at what is the end here?

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What is the, what is the deadline, what is that time?

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We talked about that a little bit earlier in the show.

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What are you trying to get to to where they can find that

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independence and be on their own?

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Now, here's another thing I'm gonna encourage, and

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that is have family meetings.

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You know, one of the things that could have prevented this whole issue

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with my mom and sister and I is if my mom just said, you know what?

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I'm gonna call your brother and the three of us are gonna get down.

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Now again, I don't think I should have been involved.

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It wasn't my house.

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I wasn't paying any of their bills.

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But again, that would've been fine.

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Have a family meeting.

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So I'm gonna encourage you, if you're going through these situations, hold

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those regular family meetings to discuss these financial matters and

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address any concerns or tensions.

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Have a frank discussion.

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But again, stand your ground.

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It's your house, it's your resources.

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So consider this.

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Here's another pro tip.

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Maybe you wanna create a family budget that outlines the financial

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support each child receives, and then share it with them.

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This can help ensure the transparency, it can help ensure fairness, and it can

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reduce the potential for sibling rivalry.

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As an example, I know about, I guess it was about 30 years ago, my mom had two

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sisters, and my, my mom's youngest sister, I guess it would be my, my youngest,

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my, my aunt all tied up here nuts.

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But anyway, my grandparents on my mother's side helped her out by buying her a home.

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And at the time I remembered the discussion, and I don't know why

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I was involved in this, but again, my mom shared everything with me.

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That's what happens when, when your parents get divorced and you're

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left to be the man in the house.

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But that's a discussion for a whole nother day.

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But anyway.

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What was conveyed to me, what I heard was that, hey, we're helping out

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your aunt so that when when we pass away, your aunt is going to get less.

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And again, this is all part of that transparency.

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It's all part of that fairness.

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But you've got to build it in because what you don't wanna create, and I've seen this

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so I, I say this in my practice all the time, death brings out the ugly in people.

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Like people who are very nice people, people who get along with their brothers

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and sisters and aunts and uncles.

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Man, when somebody dies, it's like game on.

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Sometimes they do stuff, you're like, where did that come from?

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But now let's consider this.

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Have you ever wondered, and this is where we're gonna get biblical, have you

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ever wondered how biblical principles can help guide you in supporting

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your adult children financially?

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And these answers might just surprise you.

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See, I always wanna bring it back to that because I think that's

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where we truly find the answers.

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Biblically speaking, transitions from parental, a authority to a, to an adult,

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to adult relationships based on, they should be based on respect and honor.

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This is essential.

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This is all throughout scripture.

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You need to understand that that relationship needs to be

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based on respect and honor.

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It talks in the Bible about, you know, respect your children, honor your parents.

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You know, scriptures, and I'm gonna encourage you to read these.

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I don't have time to cover 'em today, but scriptures like Ephesians, chapter six

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verse one, Genesis chapter two, verse 24.

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They guide us in understanding the changing dynamics of those

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parent-child relationships.

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That's all biblical.

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Yes, you can tie it back right to that there is biblical for what I'm

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talking about today and helping a child in genuine need is different

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from enabling their dependence.

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I'm not talking about helping a child that's in need.

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I'm not saying that.

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I'm not saying that you shouldn't help your adult child because guess what?

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We all have issues in our lives.

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I recorded a show today and I don't wanna spill it, but I talked about how

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when I was about 20 years old, I wasn't independent, I was still in college.

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My dad was paying my bills in, man, I had a car issue.

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So I'm gonna encourage you to check in or check out next Tuesday's episode.

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When I talk about that, I talk about emergency funds.

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But see, sometimes you've got to be that parent that steps

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'em and say, you know what?

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There's a genuine need here, but that is completely different than enabling.

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So how do you handle that?

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Well, you gotta trust God's guidance in your child's life and

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allow them to learn from their experiences and their consequences.

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Talked about this a few minutes ago.

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It's okay to watch your children fail.

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You know, that's not a popular thing to say.

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People don't, you know, people are like, oh, Ralph, I can't

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believe you just said that.

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Well, guess what?

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They're never gonna learn if they don't fail.

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Now, you know, my dad was always going, you know, son, you can

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learn from other people's failures.

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Yes, you would hope so.

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But I think there comes a time.

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If you don't, if you're not careful about this, you will enable your children.

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So let them make those decisions.

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Make them suffer the consequences.

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Now, I'm not telling you to make 'em do something they

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can't get back from, not at all.

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That's a time when you might need to step in.

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But you've got to start building a, a balance between support and

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self-reliance because it is so very important to balance support with

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that biblical call for independence.

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You know, it's a tough thing to balance.

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It's tough, especially if you're in one of those manipulative situations

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or in that, on that guilt trip.

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And again, this is where you've gotta trust God's guidance in your child's life.

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You know, hopefully you've brought the child up in understanding

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who the Lord is and, and understanding what that looks like.

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And then again, like I said, let them learn from their experiences

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and have their consequences.

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It's crucial.

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Another thing it talks about in the Bible is open communication.

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That's all throughout the Bible.

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You've got to reinforce the importance of respectful dialogue.

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No, don't let your kids sit there and tear you down.

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Don't let your kids sit there and manipulate you and put

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you into a position of guilt.

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Look at the book of Proverbs 15, one.

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It reminds us that a gentle answer turns away wrath, but then the

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next thing it says, it says, but a harsh word stirs up anger.

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So here's another pro tip.

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I wanna encourage you to do this.

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Schedule regular financial check-ins with your adult child

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to discuss their progress, discuss their challenges and their goals.

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Now listen, one of the rules that my wife and I have is we don't get into

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our kids' finances unless they come to us and say, mom, dad, I need help.

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Listen, if they need help, guess what?

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Game on.

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I'm an accountant.

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I wanna see your bank statements.

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I wanna see your credit card statements.

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I want to see your bank.

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I wanna see your, your pay stubs.

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I want to know where your money's going.

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You might be saying, wait a minute, that's intrusive on your kid.

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No, it's not.

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If that kid comes to me, and I'm talking about adult kids here,

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I'm talking about younger kids, I'm talking about adult kids.

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If that adult kid comes to me and says, oh mom, oh dad, I need help.

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That sounds, Hey, great.

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Then you know what?

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We're gonna look at it all because that will help you keep

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the lines of communication open.

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Now, if they don't wanna share it, that's fine.

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Then don't ask us for money.

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It's really that simple.

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But make sure you leave those communication lines open and foster

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that sense of accountability.

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They need to be accountable.

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So let me ask you this.

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Have you ever felt at a loss on just how to encourage your adult children

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to become financially independent?

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We've kind of been going around the bend on this, so I'm gonna give you

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some strategies that will help you.

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I'm gonna call them actionable advice for parents.

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How do we get them to be financially dependent?

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'cause we talked about, you know, why they should be.

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We talked about how to handle manipulation.

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We talked about how to communicate.

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We talked about the prayer side of this.

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How do you actually foster?

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What are the actionable things that you can do as parents to help

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build that financial independence?

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I think one of the things that you absolutely have to do is

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be open and communicate your expectations and timelines.

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Be clear and consistent.

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If you have a belief that your child should be out of the house at a certain

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date, at a certain age, then you've got to communicate that it's not fair to a kid

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or an adult kid to say, Hey, you've been sitting around this house for three years

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now, and when are you gonna do something?

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If you've never said to them, Hey, our expectation, my expectation of your

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single parent is this, if you don't do that, if you don't set that up, you

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can't blame your kid for, for surfing on the couch the rest of their life.

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If you've not given them an X ramp, if you've not said to them,

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Hey, here's the expectation, here's what we expect from you.

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Which leads me to the next thing, and this is things I think a lot of parents screw

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up, and that is you've got to gradually phase out that financial assistance.

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I'm not telling you to turn off the spigot right away, man, that's not

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the way to do it, because you could cause reverberations with them.

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That could go on and on and on.

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But you've got to look at a phased in approach and communicate this.

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Have that discussion know, Hey listen, for the next six months, dad and I are

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gonna pay for this, this, and this.

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Then after that six months we're gonna pay for this, this, and this,

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and look at it as a way for them to build that self-sufficiency gradually.

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It's kinda like when you were growing up, you know, no kid was earning enough

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money for the set, the set, or the Friday night dance and, and paying their

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car payment, all this kind of stuff.

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But you know what, you've got to build in that gradual climb to where they're

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able to take those steps on their own.

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Which leads me to the next thing.

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You've got to teach financial literacy.

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We are doing a terrible job in this country of teaching our

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kids basic financial literacy.

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Yes, I said it.

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And the problem is, for the most part, most adults don't

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have good financial literacy.

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That's just a truth bomb.

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Well, if you're not teaching your kids because you don't know how to

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do it, guess what they're gonna be?

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There's gonna be a problem.

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So teach them about budgeting.

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Maybe you gotta learn it.

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At the same time, teach them about emergency funds, about managing

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money, about saving retirement and understanding credit.

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Because here's the truth, when I have a client come in and they start telling me

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about the financial woes they're having, nine times outta 10, I can look at

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their parents and say, I would bet that your parents had those same struggles.

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Or if I look at kids like adult kids who maybe in their young twenties and

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they can't save and they can't, you know, manage their money, I can look

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at their parents and go, I bet your parents struggle with the same thing.

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And I'm not picking on, I'm not judging anybody.

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It is just a truth.

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I. So you've got to start to foster that education at a young age.

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I remember with my two boys, Hey, listen, and I'm not telling you, I'm not sitting

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here preaching you, telling you I made all the right decisions because guess what?

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I made a ton of mistakes.

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But one of the things we taught our kids is how to manage money.

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We taught them how to budget money and my, my oldest son, this kid

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is a kid, kid, he's 27 years old.

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I probably should stop calling him a kid if he's listened to this.

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I apologize.

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Just a, he, he, he's a good, he's a good egg as they say.

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But he took the lesson, he learned from us about budgeting.

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He learned about having that emergency fund.

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He learned about saving for retirement.

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And that's because we made that a point.

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We made.

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We taught them what that was like.

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We gave them an allowance that they worked for.

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It wasn't just that we just hand out the money.

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There was expectations.

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In fact, when he decided to go to college, I said to him, listen, your mom and I

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aren't paying for college, and we had the capacity to do it, but I said to him.

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You need to have skin in the game.

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Which leads me to the next thing.

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Encourage your children, adult children.

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Encourage employment, encourage career development.

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One of the things that just drives me crazy is when I hear parents that

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say, ah, you know, my kids are good.

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You know, they, they'll figure it out and they, they, they're

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having their fun summer.

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That's a bad plan.

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You've got to encourage employment.

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You've gotta encourage career development.

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Listen, maybe they're not made for college.

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That's okay.

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Not everybody is designed for college, but start to give them some,

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uh, some information about trade.

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Show them different career paths, and then listen.

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Support their career goals.

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If they need help to get motivated, find ways to motivate

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them, take them to career fairs.

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Start that early.

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Explain to them what people do.

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You know, one of the things that we did when our kids were younger, and

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I have an accounting practice, so I was around a lot of business people,

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but whenever a business person and I, it just reminded me of a funny story.

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Let me tell this story.

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So I'll never forget.

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One day we were out to eat and I think it was my wife and myself and my younger son.

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I think my older son was at boarding school at the time.

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He went to military boarding school.

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And I will never forget this discussion.

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We were getting ready to go into a restaurant down in Smyrna, Delaware.

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Uh, there was a diner there, it's called the Smyrna Diner.

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And I remember it was really aggravating to me 'cause my, my youngest son

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would always order a bunch of food and he would never finish it.

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And I wasn't, I didn't have an issue with paying for his meal.

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I really got annoyed when he would order food and not, not, not, not, not eat it.

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So anyway, long story short, waitress comes up.

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I knew this lady, I think she was actually a client of mine.

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And, and I said to my son, I said, you don't realize how much money

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these waitresses and waiters make.

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He goes, dad, oh, come on.

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What are you trying to say?

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And I said, the money that you're throwing away in food, that waitress

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right there doesn't even earn in an hour.

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And he, he said, what, what are you talking about, dad?

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And, and I said to her, I can't remember her name.

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Let's say her name was Leslie.

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I don't remember her name.

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Let's say it was Leslie.

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And Leslie came up to the table and I said, Leslie, can I ask

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you a really simple question?

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And she goes, sure, sure.

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I said, can you tell my son what your hourly rate here is in the restaurant?

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And she goes, oh, Cheryl, I don't mind telling him.

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She says, I make $2 and 33 cents an hour.

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Now, at the time, that was the quote, minimum wage for,

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for servers or for waitresses.

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And my son looks at me and looks at his mom and she, he gets $2 an hour.

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I said, yeah, and I said, and think about all the food you're wasting.

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Now, she also made money with tips and all that, but again, we taught

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our children at a very young age that responsibility, which is what I'm going

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to say next, and that is you've got to model responsible financial behavior.

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You've gotta lead by example.

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If you're not leading by example, why do you wonder that your kids are struggling?

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Now, you can also support your kids in non-financial ways.

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It doesn't have to always be about money.

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You can offer them career advice.

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Maybe you can help them write a resume.

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Maybe you're good at at writing stuff.

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Maybe you're good at helping them do job searches.

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I know when our youngest was looking for a job, my wife was on the on those job

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search items, and she was just shooting 'em text after text and email after email

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and saying, Hey, apply for this job.

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Hey, apply for this job.

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Hey, do you need me to help you write a resume?

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Do you want me to help you fill out the applications?

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Because that is the key to it.

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You don't, it doesn't always come down to dollars and cents.

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It can also be things that you can do to help them along the path.

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So offer that career advice to them and offer that resume help.

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And another big thing you've got to do is set concrete financial goals together.

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If you're going to be successful in transitioning your children into

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being independent adult children, then sit down and work on some goals, put

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some time in there, set achievable goals, and then celebrate those.

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You know, encourage your children when they save that emergency

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fund or when they don't have that.

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Like a couple weeks ago, my youngest son said to me, he says, dad, I'm so happy.

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He says, I paid off my credit card.

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I said, son, that is fantastic.

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That is a great thing.

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And he said, listen.

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He said, dad, I don't ever want to get in that situation again.

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So I pulled him aside.

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I said, okay, let's talk about how you can get to that.

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So here's another pro tip with your adult children, maybe you need to use

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visual age, maybe a budgeting worksheet or, or maybe some financial goal charts.

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These are all over the internet.

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I'm gonna even encourage you maybe set up an appointment or a Zoom call

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to have me sit down and talk to you.

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You can do that by going to ask ralph.com.

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I have helped many families.

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In fact, you can even get them a copy of my first book.

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If you go to ask ralph.com, you can see my book.

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It's called Mastering Your Finances.

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It's 47 pages, but that can be a good discussion point to have as a family.

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Show them the financial concepts.

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Make them tangible and engage them, you know, as their younger kids.

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I remember when I was a kid, one of the things my mom did with me is she

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would, you know, put the change out.

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And that's how, you know, I learned to count and learn so many things.

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But I also learned, you know, what's a quarter?

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What's a dime, what's a nickel?

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So let's talk about next communicating with your adult children.

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Let me ask you this question.

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Have you ever struggled to have that open and honest conversations?

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Maybe you're saying, Ralph, that sounds great, but I can't

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even have this conversation.

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So let me give you some effective ways to resolve these issues.

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I'm gonna give you some tips for effective communication.

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Now, first thing I'm gonna tell you.

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This is true.

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Listen, if you're a married man or you're married women, you got

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a choice the right time and place.

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You gotta do the same thing with your kids.

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This is, this is not the time to have that discussion.

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When you're angry with your child or you're angry with your adult child,

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or you're upset about something they're done, that is not the time.

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You are too emotionally keyed up.

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Pick and choose your time and pick and choose your place and

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ensure that setting is conductive to a productive conversation.

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This is not the time to be in front of the tv.

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This is not the time for everybody to be on their cell phones.

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Park those things in a basket.

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Maybe get in the car, go somewhere, leave the phones at home, go

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to the park, do something.

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You've got to ensure that you've got the right time and place because it will

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not be productive if you don't have a spot to have a productive conversation.

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The next thing I'm gonna encourage you to do is express your

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intentions clearly and honestly, be transparent about your feelings.

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It's okay for you as a parent to say, listen, this is my expectation of you.

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I've said this to both of my children.

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I said, I don't mind helping you, but my expectation is this.

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If you come to me like I talked about a few minutes ago, if you come to

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me looking for assistance, I will give it to you by, here's the catch.

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I'm going to go over your budget.

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What?

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What?

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Yes.

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I'm gonna look at your bank statements.

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I'm gonna look at your credit card statements and all of those things

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because I am going to be transparent.

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But I'm also gonna tell you, this is what I do for a living, and as a

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parent, you should do the same thing.

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Encourage your children to do this and then listen at times.

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Shut up.

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Just actively listen to your child's perspective, because guess what, parents,

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we don't always have the right answers.

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It's okay.

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And I'm gonna encourage you show empathy, you know, have some understanding.

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And one of the things that the listener said was, she feels

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like she's being manipulated.

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She always can't find a job.

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I'm not saying she's not, that's not true.

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But what I would say is my re return to that would be was sit down with the

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child and say, what are the obstacles?

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You know, if they're just saying, well, I can't find a job.

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Okay, what are you doing to find that job?

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You know, where are you putting in application?

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Listen, we went through this with my youngest and my wife and I would

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constantly say to them, okay, where are you putting in applications?

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Why didn't do that yet?

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Okay, well when are you gonna do it?

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See if you do that and actively listen.

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They're gonna tell you what's going on, and then you can act on those things.

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Again, for clear communications, you've got to define those clear

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boundaries of support and set firm yet fair limits, and then be transparent

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about your own financial situation.

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If you are struggling to put a money aside for retirement, say to your child,

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listen, mom and dad, or maybe you're just a single parent, we can't afford to

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do this, or I can't afford to do this.

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Here's how much I need to be setting aside for retirement.

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And if your children love you and if they understand that, that will be conducive.

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To them getting on their own.

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But again, you've got to create a supportive and empathetic environment

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and foster a positive atmosphere.

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And again, another tip I'm gonna give you is frame actions as helping them to grow.

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This is not the time to sit there and judge 'em and say, I can't

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believe you haven't saved any money.

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I can't believe you don't have a job.

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Because guess what?

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This is what they're gonna hear, blah, blah, blah.

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They're not gonna hear you.

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They're not gonna hear you.

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So you've got to frame these things as helping them grow.

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Emphasize their growth, emphasize their independence.

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And here's another thing I'm gonna encourage you to do, is share

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your own past financial mistakes.

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Share those mistakes.

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Share the lessons that you learned and tell them what you learned from them.

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Because here's the thing, and this is the truth, kids are like sponges.

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Adult kids are the same way.

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When they hear, oh, mom had this struggle.

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Oh, dad had this struggle, they will understand it.

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You will build up a positive relationship with them because

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they're going hear how you struggled.

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Because then they're gonna say, oh, because here's the thing.

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You remember as a kid, used to assume your, your parents never been through

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what you've been through, right?

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They never, oh, their parents never did that.

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But if you show them, Hey, here's the mistakes I made.

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You know, I shared this with my own kids.

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Like I got myself in way over my head in college with co, with credit card debt.

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I said, here's what you don't want to do.

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And then the other thing I want you to do, two more things I'm gonna

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encourage you to do, and I know we've gone a long time today, but I just

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wanted to really share this today.

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'cause this is a question I get asked time and time again.

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But the last two things, here's the thing I want you to do.

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Emphasize your belief and their abilities.

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You know, be that champion for them, be the coach for them, and encourage

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them to believe in themselves.

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And this is one of the things that I've not gonna done a good job at.

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This is one of the things that, as I, as I say this today, as I plan for this show,

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I said, you know what, I could have done a better job of, of encouraging my children.

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And I'm gonna encourage you to do that.

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Encourage them, tell them that they have the ability to do it.

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Because listen, you have the capacity to break that child, but you also

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have the capacity to help them.

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And the final thing I'm gonna say is celebrate their achievements, acknowledge

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them, and praise their progress.

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And here is a huge pro tip.

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If you're having a communication, use I statements to express your feelings and

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needs without, uh, sounding accusatory.

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This is just, this is a good thing to talk about in life.

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For example, I feel overwhelmed when instead of, you always make me feel.

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See, here's the deal.

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If you're constantly pointing your finger and you're constantly telling

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'em about you, you, you, they're not, they're gonna phase you out.

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But when you say to them, I feel, I sense I need, then you're

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going to get through to them.

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So let's end the show with this question.

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'cause I think we need to talk about how other people have handled.

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So have you ever wondered how other families have navigated the challenge

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of supporting adult children?

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I'm gonna share with you some examples that I've seen over my lifetime.

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I wanna share some things I've found on some social media, and I think these

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things will just be an encouragement to The first one is called The Job Seeker.

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Now this is Sarah, a 27-year-old.

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She moved back home with her, her parents after graduation because

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she was struggling to find a job in her field and she was relying on

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her parents for financial support.

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Now, her parents decided to set a six month deadline.

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I've talked about this a couple times in this show, and they

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said to her, Sarah, that's great.

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You can move back in with us.

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Here are rules.

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Here's what you're gonna pay for, but there's a six month deadline.

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Well, what happened?

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Sarah found a job.

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And, and during that time, they agreed they would pay her basic expenses, not,

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not her, not her once, but her needs.

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And they also helped her by connecting her to a career counselor.

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And they encouraged her to take on part-time work.

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In the meantime.

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And from what I understand, Sarah actually got a job that was a full-time

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job because of her parents encouraging her to do that part-time work.

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Here's another case study, another, another story I heard,

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and that's called The Entrepreneur.

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This guy named Mike.

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Now, he was a 30-year-old aspiring entrepreneur who lived

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with his parents while he was trying to start his own business.

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A lot of people do that, you know, they're trying to get

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that business off the ground.

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Now, his parents agreed to support him for a year.

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They said, look, we'll support you for a year.

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But here was their understanding.

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They had an understanding with him that he would take on a part-time job to

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cover some of his household expenses.

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They set clear boundaries.

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Uh, about which business expenses they will cover and not cover.

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They weren't going to fund his, you know, his resort living lifestyle

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or whatever that looked like.

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They said, here's what we're willing to do, here's what we're willing to pay for.

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And finally, I call this one the student.

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Now this is Emily.

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She was a 25-year-old graduate student who's living in home to save money.

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And again, her parents agreed to cover her living expenses while she's in school.

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I think that's a reasonable thing to do with the expectation that she's

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gonna contribute to household chores, she's gonna maintain good grades, and

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they also established a plan for her to start paying rent once she graduated

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and finds a job because they want to.

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You wanna build that encouragement.

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So here's my final pro tip.

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Tailor your approach to your child's unique situation.

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'cause listen.

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What works for one family might not work for another family.

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I don't know all the, the details, I don't know all the nuances of

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what's going on in your family.

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I, I can't answer a question that says, well, you must do one, two, and three.

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That's why I have given you a ton of ideas, a ton of pro tips, a

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ton of weight practice ideas to do this, because I don't know exactly

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what the dynamic is in your house.

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I don't know what training you have or haven't given your kids.

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I don't know what needs your kids have, but I will tell you this

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big overall thing, the key is open communication and clear expectations,

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because here in the end, remember, I.

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You're not alone in this journey.

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That's one of the beautiful things about this.

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Why I love doing this show.

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God is with you and his guidance, his guidance for you is just a prayer away.

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And that is so important because prayer is a powerful tool that can bring you peace.

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It can bring you wisdom, and it's okay, and it can bring you clarity even

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in the most challenging situations.

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It's a way to invite God into your struggles and trust them because

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listen, God has a plan for this.

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So as you're praying, ask him about wisdom.

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Ask for wisdom in setting those boundaries and making decisions

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about financial support.

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Seek his guidance in helping you find the path for your independent or for your

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children's independence and give listen.

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Now, a lot of people say, don't pray about patients, but I'm gonna put it here.

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I'm gonna say, pray for patients.

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Pray for understanding as you navigate this journey together.

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Because guess what?

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You're going through it and so are your children.

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And I'm gonna talk to you about provision.

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Trust God to provide for your needs and your child needs according to his will.

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I'm not saying to just sit there and don't do anything about it, but, and

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the final thing I think you should pray for is unity, because let me just

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tell you, I've seen this play out, pray for unity and harmony within your

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family because even in the face of sibling rivalry or financial strain,

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that is what you really need to have.

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So let's get to our key takeaways for today.

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I just wanna summarize, it's important to understand the

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financial reality and the reasons behind your child's extended state.

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You need to understand why.

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That's the first starting point.

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I started with that and I stand by that.

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Then you've gotta sell, set healthy boundaries.

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You gotta deal with those manipulative behaviors, address that sibling

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rivalry and approach the situation from a Christian perspective.

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I wanna encourage you to encourage them with financial

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independence and start that young.

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Do it through open communication.

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Do it through education and setting goals together, and then maintain a

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supportive and empathetic environment during these conversations.

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Remember this, the power of prayer in seeking God's guidance and trusting him

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is in his divine plan for your family.

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Now listen, as I, as I close out today, Navi, navigating

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this situation is a journey.

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It is not a destination, and it's gonna require grace and wisdom.

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You're doing what's best for both of you.

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Hear me on this.

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If you've gotten to this point of the show, you are doing

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what's best for both of you, and you're taking the right approach.

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And if you do that right approach, you can help your child

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achieve financial independence while securing your own future.

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So I want to encourage you, if you want more of what I can on the show every

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encourage you to be a part of our community and let's support each other.

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So as I close, reflect on your own situation, pray for wisdom and

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guidance, and consider having open conversations with your child.

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And if needed, seek help from trusted advisors or pastors.

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And remember this as I close today.

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God is with you in this journey.

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Trust his guidance and know that you are doing what's best for both of you.

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And with love and firmness, you can help your child grow Intel

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responsible and independent adult.

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So thank you for joining me today.

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Be sure to tune in next time.

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I think Craig will be back next week for more insights on faith and finance.

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And until then, stay blessed and stay wise and God bless you and goodbye.