Speaker A: It is Wednesday, June 8, 2022. The year is flying by seed. Just the other day we were talking about the new Year, but uh here we are already. Spring is gone. Summer is here. Kids are are on the streets. School is out. Uh the uh hooligans are out. Uh raising hell on their bicycles without their helmets. Life is in chaos.

Speaker B: Bullying at the pool. It's a whole nine yards, right? Exactly.

Speaker A: Who can do the biggest Cannonball, can.

Speaker C: Opener or belly flop to get the lifeguard wet?

Speaker A: See, those are the things that I worried about when I was a kid. Now these days, who knows? But now these teenagers think they're going to solve the world problems.

Speaker C: It was critical to get the hot lifeguard wet. That was the objective.

Speaker A: What was his name? Normal.

Speaker C: We had some hotties. I'll tell you, when I was in grade school, the coolest couple were a couple that both drove Gold Corvettes, and one managed the pool, and he uh was a swim instructor, and the other was a uh lifeguard. And both of their names were Gene and Jean. Jean and Jean matching gold Corvettes. And we wanted her to be wet at all times.

Speaker A: You probably came up in the Speedo era, just the end of it.

Speaker C: Oh, absolutely. So the swim team. Yeah. Everybody wore Speedos? Yes, absolutely.

Speaker A: I never had a Speedo my entire life.

Speaker C: Well, the idea in swimming competition is the least amount of resistance.

Speaker A: I get it.

Speaker C: But I'm talking for, like, the guy shave.

Speaker A: Well, sure. I'm talking about average Joe at the pool on the weekend.

Speaker C: Uh yeah, not so much. I mean, people on the swim team would wear them all the time, but if you weren't competing, it was almost like those bicyclists that wear the Tour de France outfits, but clearly they're not Tour de Frances. Yeah. You see them all over Columbus, and they have all the spaghetti on their suits, their Lycra suits or whatever. And you're like, dude.

Speaker A: Is a reason for it.

Speaker C: It's like, stickering up your minivan. Like Darryl Waltrips NASCAR. It's like, what are you doing? Okay.

Speaker A: All right.

Speaker C: I do love everybody, right? I need to get that on the record.

Speaker A: Norm loves everybody. So here we are at the roundtable. It is June 8022, as we said, the beginning of summer. And we got lots of stuff to talk about. Last week we had a good interview, but uh this week, it's just uh the boys on the table. That is Brett from Circle 270. Me Norma is here. Jared couldn't make this morning, but I'm here, which is really all that counts, and uh we're ready to rock and roll.

Speaker C: Truth.

Speaker B: I got a question for you before you start off, and you may cover this. I don't know, but I've got. So I need clarification on Jim Jordan's situation being subpoenaed. Is the subpoena a suggestion you're talking about January 6?

Speaker A: Yeah.

Speaker B: Is that a suggestion?

Speaker C: No.

Speaker B: So if he doesn't show up.

Speaker A: That's correct.

Speaker B: He is going to be put in jail.

Speaker C: Steve's a lawyer, but that has yet to be addressed by a court. Okay, so there are people who have.

Speaker B: And he's not the only one, of course, but he's the one making the highest.

Speaker C: So Peter Navarro was at the airport. The FBI or the US Marshalls, one of the two took him into custody. I believe it was the FBI took him into custody, put him in leg irons, put him in front of a federal judge because he made a response to the January 6 committee that he had executive privilege as an adviser to President Trump, and that President Trump and he were entitled, therefore, to confidential communication. So as a matter of principle, now, other people have made that same claim, uh like the chief of staff. And the January 6 committee um has not recommended his uh arrest and indictment.

Speaker B: Um jim is not going to have.

Speaker C: That type of Welch he may he was part of. But this committee is a little weird, this committee for the first time, even though it's supposed to be a joint committee, they did not allow Kevin McCarthy, who is a Republican leader in the House, to appoint the members. Nancy Pelosi appointed all the members. So it may be when it gets to judicial review, it may be a poisoned committee.

Speaker B: It's not balanced.

Speaker A: It's like CNN News. It's two Republicans.

Speaker C: It has two Republicans. Kevin McCarthy was not even allowed. One of the committee members he wanted on that committee was Jim Jordan.

Speaker B: Okay.

Speaker C: Okay.

Speaker B: I'm just curious because I saw that now he's requesting the paperwork. Then I'll think about it. I just didn't know what the end result was. That.

Speaker A: Yeah, this is somewhat unprecedented, as Norm said, and there's not a whole lot my understanding is I haven't done the deep dive into this, but my understanding is there's not a whole lot of uh legal authority on what happens if somebody doesn't comply with something like this. And I'm uh not sure how many times the committee has subpoenaed another member of the House to come testifying. And what Jim Jordan's response was not necessarily I'm not going to comply.

Speaker C: Right.

Speaker A: Is what do you got? What's your material that makes me such.

Speaker B: An important person, I got to be there.

Speaker A: Yeah. And my target. So if I'm representing Jim Jordan or anybody who gets a subpoena, my first request is, is this individual a target, and what do you have? I get it. This is somewhat of dead. They're going to say, well, it's an inquiry. We just want you. But uh you're not going to just take that lightly, particularly because, let's face it, I don't care what side you're on. If you don't recognize this as a partisan effort, you're crazy. I mean, this is one side of a political divide going after the other. Well, we all deserve to know the truth on January 6. Yeah, fine.

Speaker C: Well, let me give an example of how this is completely partisan. So when the Republicans ran the House, they had an investigation into Fast and Furious, which was the gun trafficking engaged in by the Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms Agency over the Mexican border, where they gave unmarked guns to Mexican cartel people for God knows what reason. But anyway, they did it. They subpoenaed Eric Holder. Eric, who was attorney general for Obama at the time. Eric Holder was supposed to come in and appear before the committee. He refused to do that. They then recommended, believe it or not, to the Justice Department, of which Eric Holder was the head, that he be indicted for refusing a subpoena. Of course they didn't do that. So they impeached him. But, I mean, there's a perfect example of a House committee. It was a standing committee, not a special committee, a House committee that recommended he be indicted and charged. And they didn't do it. But they're doing it in this case. Okay, so the Republicans play the game, according to Hoyle. They play like a student Council in high school where they follow all the little rules and then they defer. The Democrats are out for blood.

Speaker A: Look, this was Trump's special power is that he didn't play like a typical Republican played in the past. So if you call Trump a racist, he came over the top and uh he said, fine. So are you right? And that's an over exaggeration. But he would not just sit down and take these insults like Mitt Romney did.

Speaker C: Yeah. When you saw that in the debates with Hillary in particular.

Speaker A: Sure.

Speaker C: Hillary, who's out there saying, uh I'm uh a woman, I want to be treated equally. Trump was just as hard on her as he was on Ted Cruz or he was on Marco Rubio.

Speaker A: Yeah, he was a mud monster, man.

Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, he was just like Hillary. If it was up to me, you'd go to prison. He's saying stuff like that in the debate, like hardcore. He's dealing with her completely equally, as if she was just like a man.

Speaker A: Yeah. He didn't care who it was.

Speaker C: He didn't care. Right.

Speaker A: You attack him, he's coming over the top. Oh, dude, no question. But this Jim Beckett Jim Jordan thing, it's like, if I'm representing him, I would want to know what the evidence is and what's the topics of discussion. Uh what am I testifying about? And if you can't provide that, I wouldn't yet make the decision whether I was going to comply with the subpoena, but I would want to amass as much reasoning as I could if I didn't want to comply with the subpoena. So one of those reasons might be you're not even telling me why I'm testifying. You're not giving me any information. I'm walking into an ambush. So I'm not complying with the subpoena. That's a better record than just ignoring it.

Speaker C: Well, and it's also a way to smear him um because he has a principled reason not to appear before the committee. But you know what? Like where their smoke? They're trying to make the people, the public jump to a conclusion that he has something to hide.

Speaker A: Like he did with the mobsters.

Speaker C: Right.

Speaker A: Where did you bury Jim Bob's body to take the fifth? How did you kill him? I take the fifth. The questions imply that you did those things and all you can do is take the fifth.

Speaker C: Right.

Speaker A: Um so Jordan may actually, I don't know if he's got a privilege to assert, but he may go assert some privilege. And I uh would want to know if I'm representing Jim Jordan, I would want to know what the hell the deal is. What are you questioning me about? What's the product or the sum of my testimony? They brought Barr in early to have a meeting with him to discuss his testimony. And why wouldn't they do the same with Jordan if it's not an ambush they uh brought?

Speaker C: Was uh it Eric or Don Jr. In for an entire day? Because uh he appeared before the committee in private uh enclosed session for 8 hours, I think. And then his uh sister via video from wherever she was for like half a day.

Speaker B: Well, and I think it's important because it can work both ways. I think it's interesting how this fleshes out present, take away the politics of it. It's like, okay, what does this really mean? What is Democrat or Republican? What does it mean? What's going to happen?

Speaker C: What's whack about it is the Trump obsession um just continues.

Speaker A: They have to. That's all they have.

Speaker C: They impeached him. They impeached Trump after he left office and not even Chief Justice Roberts presided over the impeachment because he knew it was a bogus impeachment.

Speaker A: It was all political. And this is all political.

Speaker C: How do you impeach a guy who's already left office?

Speaker A: And I think at the end of the day, this kind of stuff, I would like to think it all backfires because it is so transparently political missile to try to do something about the tanking numbers for the midterms.

Speaker C: So they're trying to discover what Trump said privately amongst his advisors, like Jim Jordan or Sean Hannity.

Speaker A: They should convene a grand jury and do an investigation.

Speaker C: But none of that matters because the point of what Trump did or didn't do is what he said to the crowd, to instigate them or not instigate them. Hang, hang on on. Just let me get this on the record. So what Trump said to the crowd that morning, and I know people who were in that crowd, he gave a speech. It was fully taped. We have all the quotes, we have the transcript. What he told them is, I know some of you intend to go down to the Capitol and protest. I ask you to do that peacefully, but let your voices be heard without any violence. He said all of those things and he never said go down there and start an insurrection, kill a cop, break into the well, they didn't kill any cops. In fact, the cops killed one of the protesters, but none of the four policemen that had medical issues died as a result of someone smashing their head in with a fire extinguisher. Even the New York Times had to take that back. That guy, in fact, texted his family after he got to the hospital and said, I'm fine. He had some kind of allergic reaction, I guess. But the guy that they had in the hall that Nancy Pelosi made into a national martyr, he was not killed by the protesters.

Speaker A: Yeah. So I guess a couple of things about that, it all matters what was said, if you want to investigate it, you want to get all the information out there. But this is being done, I think, almost without question, as a partisan political.

Speaker C: Uh move so that Trump can't run for President.

Speaker A: Well, not only so that Trump can run for President, but everybody who ever hitched their wagon to the Trump administration is going to be politically scarred. I mean, that's what they're trying to do. They can't win the midterms. And I don't think it's a coincidence that this is getting dropped right now. Call me just a little bit too skeptical.

Speaker C: Oh, um no question.

Speaker A: That said, I'll get this on even though we're off the record. But on here, I'll get it on here. I um would say this. I don't have a problem with an investigation about everything that happened on January 6. It is a significant event. It ought to be investigated, but it ought to be investigated fairly. Convene a damn grand jury issue, grand jury subpoenas, take testimony, do whatever you have to do.

Speaker C: Well, dude, there's a raft of questions about January 6 that have not been answered.

Speaker A: You bet.

Speaker C: Who are the ringleaders that were telling people to go in and why did they go in?

Speaker A: Why did Pelosi not have security? I'd like to know these things well.

Speaker B: And that's a good point, too. I think there has been an investigation. What I would want to know is whether you do this or not, how this happened, that security wasn't why don't we have security going on? And you find out, too, that there are insanity. There are three levels of security going on between the city of Washington and.

Speaker A: They called off the security.

Speaker B: They don't know what the hell they were doing that day.

Speaker A: They declined the security.

Speaker C: Right. They declined exactly as we found out. Totally ridiculous, as we found out in Uvaldi. Sometimes the cops are incompetent.

Speaker B: They are.

Speaker C: I mean, I lost too many layers. I love police. I love law enforcement. I support them. Sometimes certain individuals don't do a very good job.

Speaker A: Right. So there's the old saying. I like to use it. Never attribute to some bad intent what can be explained by incompetence.

Speaker C: How do you shoot a lady who broke a window or whatever she was trying to go through a door unarmed, a veteran. I mean, this guy just shot him. Shot her.

Speaker A: No, I got that. But worse than that, to me, Norm, is when the police were letting people in. And this has happened. There was a guy acquitted.

Speaker C: No. He was waved into the building.

Speaker A: There are videos of this. And you can't just say I'm going to look at January 6 and not look at that. You can't just say I'm going to look at that and not look at what was said with Trump people behind the scenes. You need to know all the information. Do an honest and fair investigation published the results, and they're not. And then where the chips fall, it's not fair. It doesn't feel fair.

Speaker C: There is a lot of film, a lot of video uh that the FBI will not release. I mean, if FOIA requests have been made for some of this video, and there are some people who have been identified as FBI operatives, people that are informants people. Yeah. And they were some um uh evidently, this is what needs to be investigated. There are allegations that some of those people were amping up, the people who did go into the building.

Speaker A: And you could say it would never be the case like Entrapments, like entrapment until you look at Michigan and where they did such a thing. Right.

Speaker C: Uh well, John DeLorean, hey, the US government does entrap people.

Speaker A: It scares me to death.

Speaker C: Uh randy Weaver.

Speaker A: Doj has become a partisan tool.

Speaker C: Randy Weaver, he refused the ATF agents request for a sold off shotgun. They hounded that guy for a year to do it. He finally did it to get rid of them. They shot his wife and his baby.

Speaker A: Yeah.

Speaker C: You told me they don't entrap people. The government does entrap them.

Speaker A: It is getting very scary to me how partisan DOJ is becoming. It really is. And I'm not just blaming, I guess, Obama. We had a lot of that going on under Obama. I don't know about what was going on under Trump. I didn't hear the big news of that. But it's happening now where people are getting targeted and it's because of their political bent.

Speaker C: Uh.

Speaker A: Uh How do you feel about law enforcement when the FBI starts going after people who are political rivals of the person in the White House right.

Speaker C: After it has been proven now that the FBI actually had an office in Perkins Cooe. Right. They have had a permanent office for years in the same law firm uh of um the guy who was just found not guilty by a DC jury.

Speaker A: Yeah.

Speaker C: Give me a break.

Speaker A: They're very partisan, suspicious to me. And if I'm defending this case, if I'm defending anybody on January 6, I want it all.

Speaker C: How about Comey at the law school bragging about that Trump had an inexperienced White House staff and basically by telling him, hey, there's uh this report uh out there that then allowed him to investigate it because he informed Trump in an informal way.

Speaker A: Yeah. They baited him.

Speaker C: They baited him anyway.

Speaker A: So it's a good question because the Jordan subpoena. Now, Jim, Jordan is no dummy. He's very shrewd. Uh he is a smart man.

Speaker C: Yeah.

Speaker A: He is not going to get pushed around.

Speaker C: No.

Speaker A: Uh and he's going to have good advisers on his side. So if um anybody on either side of the political aisle and I always try to look at stuff both ways, if the Republicans were subpoenaining a Democrat representative, what's right? What's wrong? I don't believe in subpoena another member without telling them and providing them information about their testimony. You're not going to ambush a member of Congress. And if I'm representing that member of Congress, I'm going to say, look, I'll show up on your subpoena, but I'm not testifying and I uh want to know I want to know what I'm testifying about. You can't just ambush me and put it on public TV and expect me to participate in this. This is nonsense and it's not fair. It's not due process. I wouldn't let my client accused of a traffic offense go through that.

Speaker C: Right. Right.

Speaker A: Okay. And it's a little bit different because it's the justice system versus some congressional hearing. But Congress, it's like they got certain power, but it's not plenary power. They've don't get to ambush people, put them under oath and make them talk.

Speaker C: Right. The Nancy Pelosi Show is uh debuting tomorrow.

Speaker A: And now they've hired like a production company for this. Like our tax dollars have hired a production company so they can put it on primetime TV. They're buying primetime TV for this.

Speaker C: A former TV producer from ABC News has been brought in to make this, I guess, in HBO quality kind of.

Speaker A: Video, whatever the CSPAN, man.

Speaker C: Nobody's going to watch this thing except.

Speaker A: Everybody that hates Trump will watch it. And everybody that doesn't hate Trump won't.

Speaker C: Yeah, it's summertime. People are doing other stuff.

Speaker A: I'm not going to watch it.

Speaker C: I'm not going to watch it. I got better things to do. They already impeached the guy after he left for the second time.

Speaker A: And it wasn't even January 6, 2022.

Speaker C: That's right.

Speaker A: It was January 6, 2021. Trying to pin guilt by association on the Republican Party to something that happened in 2021 that may or may not even be a huge problem.

Speaker C: Just look at the plain language of what the President told the crowd. And it was not to amp them up to do anything.

Speaker A: It was bad form. If not, and I don't believe it was inciting to riot. Otherwise it would have charged them. I don't um think it was inciting to riot. It was certainly bad form and it was chaotic and uh it was a crazy situation. And there's a lot that needs to be answered about it on both sides or maybe not both sides. On all sides, I should say. Um starting with what's the security? Who knew what, when? Why didn't they have security? Why were people invited in. Was that pure and confidence, or was it some sort of baiting going on? The public needs to know these things because like you, Norm, I think we can mostly attribute a lot of this to incompetence. On the other hand, if you don't get it explained on the record, then the conspiracy theories start to grow. Well, people are going to start saying Pelosi wanted it to happen.

Speaker C: And if we're going to have an investigation into uh vandalism, uh into breaking into federal buildings, let's do that. Across the board on all federal buildings, I want to know about Antifa and BLMS breaking into vandalizing, firebombing, and not.

Speaker A: Just the people on the street, the people who are shot callers, because there's more to that. Everybody felt there was more to that. There's these pictures of stacks of bricks that suddenly appear overnight. I don't know if that's true or not, but it's never been investigated to debunk it.

Speaker C: Well, in the videos being suppressed and.

Speaker A: The videos being suppressed and people calling it peaceful when there's a freaking police Department burning behind them, there's nothing peaceful about arson. I've defended plenty of them.

Speaker C: Right.

Speaker A: Um all right, enough of that. What else we got?

Speaker C: Well, uh um the latest White House spokesperson came out yesterday, and it's an Academy Award winning actor, Matthew McConaughey. And I guess the current White House staff is so dreary, so incompetent that they've now had to tap into Hollywood. Now, Matthew McConaughey did. His hometown is Uvaldi, Texas.

Speaker A: Uh that makes him an expert on gun control.

Speaker C: Yeah. There is a Nexus that explains and he did go there the day after the shooting, and he did spend the better part of a week there with his family, his wife and his kids, and connecting with his uh old friends and his community. And that's wonderful. And that's appropriate. And I salute him for that. And I also think that some of his ideas are fine to discuss and put out there on the table. What's really weird is that the White House would put him at their official Rostrum and have him be the official White House spokesperson on this issue, which is a little odd.

Speaker A: Okay. I don't know. Look, I like a lot of the stuff that Matthew McConaughey has said over the last few years about he sort of attacked the Hollywood elites in a way that made some sense to me. Um he's come out sort of libertarianish.

Speaker C: If uh not, he's not a divisive figure. He's not he is doing for the White House what they should have been doing the last year and a half.

Speaker A: But I'll say this. No, I'm not going to give up my AR 15s because Matthew McConaughey thinks that I should. And here's the problem with this stuff. If you're on that one side, you accept almost blindly the premise that if you ban AR Fifteen s or what they're calling assault weapons, that it will solve the problem. And on the other side, everybody knows that's a farce that what they really want to do is take all your guns. Now, Matthew McConaughey, I think, actually legitimately thinks that we should ban 15 and it will stop there.

Speaker B: He said that the age when it goes up or something, you got to.

Speaker A: Put it down for the cause.

Speaker C: Let me break it down for Brett because he asked a great question there. In previous statements, like two years ago, following another one of these shootings, he has called for a ban on assault rifles, AR 15 in particular. So he has said that in the past. Yesterday, what he called for was he explained to Brett Baer on Fox News, they did about a uh 20 minutes interview where he came into the studio and he said to Brett Barrett, Listen, my side can't get the whole loaf, but maybe we can get a slice. Okay.

Speaker A: Which implies he wants more slices.

Speaker C: Exactly right. So what he is proposing right now is in Texas, uh like in some other States, you have to be 21 years old. He wants that nationalized where you can't buy a rifle when you're 18. You got to wait till you're 21 or certain rifles.

Speaker A: I know, because nobody under 21 drinks.

Speaker C: Alcohol and suddenly you get a lot of brains once you turn 21 that you didn't have when you were 18. Here's the problem. Hang on. He wants a waiting period. He wants a cool down period, um a red flag. And what he acknowledged was really what we have all been saying for a long time. He did acknowledge that the problem is not. So in spite of all that, he acknowledged the problem is not the guns. The problem is mental illness. The problem is crazy people. So he said that he's played uh.

Speaker B: Enough of those to know that, seriously, come on, the dude has gone from £80 to £200. He is. He gets the mental issues.

Speaker A: Stephen, he's a really good thinker and I like a lot of his thoughts and stuff, but here he's just here, he's admitting his premises wrong.

Speaker C: He's admitting his premises wrong. He said he has a lot of friends in Texas that are responsible AR uh 15 gun owners and that he doesn't think they're the problem. Well, dude, if they're not the problem and if you said mental illness. So he has also said, we need a way to identify people who have problems and do something that feeds into what Brett brought up about the red flag. I'm not saying Brett's an advocate.

Speaker B: No, he's just making a comment. Yeah.

Speaker A: It's all rot with problems. And here, I think without digging into each one, I think maybe the big picture is this is that it's almost like nobody's willing to have a comprehensive discussion about everything because it's not fair to say we're just going to take all the guns and solve the problem. That's not the problem. It's not going to solve all the problems. It's not going to fix it. There's multiple causes to this. And the tool that these lunatics are using to kill kids isn't going to just find a different tool or they'll find the tool that they're not allowed to have. Um nobody wants to discuss the secure it seems like people don't want to discuss on the far left gun control side the security issues in the schools and what's really going on here. Nobody wants to discuss.

Speaker C: So he never touched on any of that. Hardening. Exactly. Why not talk about how you say that?

Speaker A: How can you say that I don't love kids because I'm a gun advocate, and at the same time you're saying I don't want to protect kids as a uh gun control advocate, at least let's agree to do this until we figure out that problem, until there's actually the solution to that. Let's put the schools in a secure setting that makes sense, that you're not going to catch them all. You're not going to fix everything. You don't want to lock it down and turn into a prison. But there's certainly reasonable measures that could be taken there. That's to use their language. There's certainly reasonable gun control measures. Well, fine, right. Let's at least talk about all the issues, not just yours.

Speaker C: Let's be very clear to the Second Amendment's. Plain reading of the Second Amendment talks about militia. So uh we are talking in the Second Amendment about the people's right to bear military style firearms. That's right. In the damn Bill of Rights.

Speaker A: You bet. The battle rifle of the day.

Speaker C: Exactly. Right. So we're not talking about you can have a Daringer. We're talking about a military style in particular rifle.

Speaker A: There's almost a better argument on handguns than there is on. Exactly rifles.

Speaker C: But anyway, that's right.

Speaker A: And people misunderstand the militia language as well. I mean, the idea is if we needed a militia, we have people who already have guns, right?

Speaker C: Yes, correct.

Speaker A: And they're going to say, well, we don't need a militia anymore. It's like, well done. That beg the question.

Speaker C: Right. I also want to just bring up fits into the Uvaldi thing. So as we know from last week, we had a guest on Jim Irvine from the Buckeye Firearms Foundation, and they had this law uh to correct an Ohio Supreme Court decision um that throughout the ability uh of school districts to allow teachers and other employees to carry firearms. They threw that out and said, basically, you had to have over 700 hours, same as the Ohio Peace Academy teaches, to uh law enforcement uh officer, police. So they got that passed. That um law has now passed the House and the Senate in Ohio. Governor DeWine has announced that he will sign that bill. And that bill started moving back in the summer of last year when the Supreme Court decision came out. So this was not in response to Ivaldi. It just happens to be Ohio was ahead of the game. Clearly, people knew that there was a vulnerability within the schools in Ohio. And I got to give the Buckeye Firearms Foundation and the other advocacy groups in Ohio real credit for uh pursuing this way before we had this mass shooting. So they were on the ball. I'm glad Governor DeWine is agreeing to sign it.

Speaker A: Yeah, I think. And that's what we're talking about. Right. So I always ask everybody says, well, we just need to do something. We need to do something. What they're really saying is the government needs to do something. And what I always ask is what can the government do to fix this? Well, at least with school settings where it is a government, and I use the term government, state, local and national, where there are government interests, where the government owns it, so to speak, they can evaluate their security and beef it up and take measures to protect the kids. And I'm not giving up that I like that lunatics are going into schools and shooting people. I hate that. I think you should start. You don't have to stop with securing the schools, but it's certainly like the low hanging fruit. So if the back door were locked and you've all done it and the guy couldn't get in, then people aren't dead, or at least not as many. And um if there's an armed response that is trained and effectively knows how to neutralize uh or kill some son of a bit, you wants to go kill your kids, well, then that's better than not having that person.

Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, I've read enough about um self defense scenarios. So there used to be a great author in the NRA's uh monthly magazine, um uh Gosh. What was his last name? I think Abud was his last name. Some just fantastic author. Uh he trained police officers and he gave seminars on home defense. One of his principles was that really what a gun 90% of the time, what a gun does is it makes a loud noise and nobody gets hurt. In these selfdefense situations, a homeowner uh here's window gets shattered or here's the door being Jimmy open. And I'm sure this will happen at schools to a certain extent as well. Somebody, a criminal will start an illegal act. Somebody will intervene. The person who intervenes when they shoot will miss. 90% of the time, they don't hit the target. They just miss. But what's the gun do, the. 357 Magnum or whatever they're packing makes a big loud noise and the perp runs the hell out of the building. That's what happens in the situations. Nobody gets hurt. And the criminal, the intruder is repelled. Just because there is a threat of force, just because there is a presence of somebody with a gun, that's usually 90% of the time, that's usually what's going to run somebody out of a house or a building.

Speaker B: It's funny because what was it uh about a month ago? I guess it was. My son and two friends were asked to help with the one's local high school volleyball teams prep for States, the run of the state competition. So they went over the high school probably half hour earlier than they really need to. But their coach, the teams coach said, hey, be there. They walk in and they're walking to high school. The teachers thought they were the students truly live. And I think the days of that are gone. The innocent age of we can just let the doors open, right? We got to put metal detectors at the doors. We're going to have to lock it down. You're going to have to be buzzed in. We're done with those days. You just won't lock. They're so freaking innocent. My son and friends were not going to cost they were just there early for volleyball. And he was amazed. He was amazed. One of the teachers said, you need to go to the class.

Speaker C: Right.

Speaker B: And never followed them up to go to class. Those three kids could have raised Holy.

Speaker C: Hell in that high school, right? It's super lax.

Speaker A: Now, that's an interesting couple of comments on that. I have done the same at my kids events over the years in the school district. I've been able to get in not always. If I went to their middle school, I had to buzz in during the day. And I went to the elementary school. For a while there, I had to buzz in during the day. But I could have probably just sort of filtered in with a recess or something. But um on the other hand, it also shows you that 99 point, 99, 99% of the time the schools are safe. It's like you've got people coming and going all the time who aren't there to do bad things.

Speaker C: Right.

Speaker A: And whenever we talk about I'm um thinking this through out loud as I go, so the lawyer talk audience gets to hear my thought process. Whenever we talk about this kind of stuff, you have to think it's like we can have a very secure society. It would be easy. All you'd have to do is I've said this before, put Jack boots on the ground, give them all the guns, take all the citizens guns, and then police it like Hitler did uh and Mussolini did and Stalin did. It will be infinitely safe for everybody until the government gets corrupt with all.

Speaker B: Those guns, which will be in about a year, which won't take long at all.

Speaker A: And then every time we do something to impose safety, we are taking away other people's rights to freedom. And there's a balance. And Schwarzenegger saying, screw your freedom. Screw you, Schwarzenegger. I don't care. It's like we do have freedom in this country, and it is very sacred to people. So I want to be able to walk around on the street.

Speaker C: Screw your freedom from uh a guy from Austria. Sure. Who else do we here to have freedom? Who else do we know from Austria? That kind of said screw your freedom. A guy with the last uh name of Schickelgruber, I think was the original family.

Speaker A: Yeah. And that's just it. Sieghile he would have freedom because he got the money and whatever. His life won't be impacted.

Speaker C: Right.

Speaker A: But we do have in this country freedom. And that's important to people. With freedom comes risk. And with risk comes responsibility. It's like there's all these things that have to be considered. So it's like, on the other hand, I can easily see a reasonable measure at a school. Like you said, Brett go through. I have to go to the metal detector today. When I go to court, I have to walk through a metal detector. I roll my eyes every time because I go in every time. Everybody knows me. But I still have to do it so somewhat.

Speaker C: Well, that could be like that political flag. Well, it could be the crazy day that you're not normal. Um there is a reason to do.

Speaker A: That, and I wouldn't.

Speaker C: We just had a judge assassinated up in Michigan. Wasn't it just this week?

Speaker A: Yeah. I don't know if it's Michigan, but there was a judge assassinated. Some of the security measures are Pyrk they're there for show. But they probably also would make it harder for a lunatic on a whim to come in.

Speaker B: Right. And I know it's a balance. I guess I went off the rail.

Speaker A: No, it's great.

Speaker B: Yeah.

Speaker A: Um look, I'm just thinking both sides of the fence here what is really lost if your son can't go in and walk around that school. I don't think there's much lost.

Speaker C: Not at all.

Speaker B: Not really.

Speaker C: Come on. We protect federal buildings with double door.

Speaker A: That's what I mean. It's like there's this balance between freedom and safety. But this is an area where the government has control over it. They're not forcing me in my building. To put armed guards and metal detectors on a building they own.

Speaker C: The unfortunate part about Ohio. So it's both beautiful and it's unfortunate is that Ohio has these microscopic school districts. So if you count up all the county boards of MRDD. You count up all the special school districts, the unique ones. And then you add in the over 600 regular school districts and total them up. I used to uh be a lobbyist for the school treasures in Ohio. If you total up all of the school districts in Ohio, we have 800.

Speaker B: It's nuts.

Speaker C: We have 800 school boards.

Speaker B: I heard that.

Speaker C: We have 800 districts of various uh kinds. And that means there's 800 school boards. So on this new law, those school boards, 800 of them. Will need to adopt a resolution to allow any of this. What Governor DeWine is going to sign any uh of that to happen has to. And then, of course, the private schools, they can do it without a school board meeting. They can do it of their own volition. A Jewish school, a Catholic school, a Protestant school, uh um a uh charter school. But if you contrast to Florida for example, I forget how many counties are in Florida, but Florida only uh has a few dozen school districts because each county is a school district. So Florida has say like 45 counties. I'm making that up. Um if they have 45 counties, they have 45 school boards. Ohio has 800, for God's sakes. That is great in terms of local input. It's closer to the people. The people get to know their school board members and all that. That's great. That's real Democratic with a small D. I mean, that's wonderful. But it also makes these kinds of decisions very patchwork quilt. We're going to have just a handful of school districts that do this, in my opinion. And then the vast majority, for politically correct reasons will say, oh, no, uh for the same reasons, defund the police. We don't want any more guns in school.

Speaker B: But to your point, it's very localized. And if that community does not want that pass for their schools, that's what.

Speaker A: It should be, federalism.

Speaker C: I'm just pointing it out.

Speaker A: And at the local level, they're going to know best. They are required to protect their schools or they should. Some guy sitting some Jackass sitting in Washington, DC, certainly does not know best.

Speaker C: Right.

Speaker A: To protect a school in Sunbury, Ohio.

Speaker B: No. And they need to stay the hell out of there.

Speaker C: When I talk about I for Mexican a little bit. There's an amazing legal case that's just been brought against the FDA.

Speaker A: I saw that. Ivor Mcton, jump in there, Steve. Go ahead.

Speaker B: Okay.

Speaker C: So the same law firm that represented I think it was George Bush, too, in uh the election thing, the hanging Chad case that went to the Supreme Court, the law firms called BoydIn Gray LLC, big DC, white shoe law firm, been around for a long time. They are suing the FDA, Federal Drug Administration on behalf of doctors because the FDA has put into place, curiously, just on Ivory Mexin that doctors can't prescribe that for off label situations, which they can do for virtually every other drug, puberty blockers. They could do it for all kinds of other drugs. But because I guess the word I vermectin was uttered by President Trump, it became a hot potato.

Speaker A: And more than that, well, at any.

Speaker C: Rate, Ivermectin, as we know, Ivermectin is.

Speaker A: A therapeutic for COVID and other viruses. It is. It's nice for that stuff. It just is.

Speaker C: And it's side effects and it's cheap.

Speaker A: Hydroxychloric the same way.

Speaker C: And I think there's two States. I think it's Tennessee. And I forget the other one where you could basically you could just be Joe Blow, go into a pharmacy and get ivoryctin.

Speaker A: But you can't over the counter.

Speaker C: You can't do that.

Speaker A: Look, I can get methamphetamines over the count.

Speaker C: Exactly.

Speaker A: What'S the allergy uh drug.

Speaker C: Um Xerotech, uh one of those um allergen. Uh yeah. But at any rate, the outcome of that should be very interesting. And there should be some red faces. And I guess Falchie is on his way out by his own comments that he is going to retire uh soon.

Speaker A: How many millions um on that retirement account of his as a result of vaccine interests.

Speaker C: Right. And there's a guy who needs to be called up for more testimony.

Speaker A: Uh let me tell you what. Investigate that son of a bitch. Investigate all those bastards. I'll say this every time. I don't care what side of the aisle you sit on. If you're a millionaire in Congress, sitting in the House of Representatives, working for a public administrative agency, and you weren't a millionaire when you started, I want to know how you became a millionaire.

Speaker C: Right?

Speaker A: Yeah, it's a fair question, right?

Speaker C: Throw uh something else out there. Can we talk a little bit about energy?

Speaker A: Sure.

Speaker C: And I don't mean my personal level of energy.

Speaker B: You're um rocking it with a rock star today.

Speaker C: You're doing good. Um we have an emergency situation involving energy. Right. Inflation and price of gasoline and all that. So what did the Biden administration announce yesterday to address the energy problem? They have been on the record that there's nothing they can do about inflation. There's nothing they can do about high gas prices. That none of it's their fault. So what is their response? Yesterday, the Biden administration invoked the Defense Production Act. Okay. That is for emergencies. By definition. When you tell industry, when you point the finger and command an industry to produce more of something, uh it is going from a market economy to a command economy to a fascist economy to a fascist. So you only do that in the rarest of circumstances.

Speaker A: Jamestown, Sheet and Tube. Wasn't that the case where Sherman wanted.

Speaker C: The uh steel company or coal production?

Speaker B: Usually war situation. That's right.

Speaker C: So we have an emergency on energy. What did he invoke the Defense Production Act yesterday to do? Produce more solar panels.

Speaker A: Oh, my gosh.

Speaker C: Um okay, so are we now going to have solar panels on the roof of our minivans or SUVs? What are they doing?

Speaker A: I hate to say that, but it's like this is insanity.

Speaker C: It's insanity. What are they doing? He goes to Saudi Arabia.

Speaker A: You know what their explanation was in person. At least it's not the European Union where gas costs even more than it does here.

Speaker C: Well, because of taxation. Because they laid on taxes.

Speaker A: Go screw yourself, dude. Tell that to the guy who's got to drive his pickup truck to the job every day.

Speaker C: So Biden goes to Saudi Arabia in person, pleads to the Emir or whatever it is.

Speaker A: Instead, he could just tell our people to start pumping.

Speaker C: That's right. So it's okay to pump out there in Saudi Arabia and have all the environmental impacts. It's the classic NIMBY thing. Like, yeah, let's have the pollution in Venezuela or Saudi Arabia where they don't have a good EPA. That really is regulatory. So let's do it now. Let's do it in other countries. But here in America.

Speaker A: That's right.

Speaker C: Exactly right.

Speaker A: Uh i got to more like, wouldn't you say? All right. We understand that there's a certain inherent risk of pumping. I'm not even suggesting this as fact, uh but on their side of it, they would say there's a huge risk of pumping oil because you could hurt the environment or you could do this. You could do that. Granted, wouldn't you want to be the ones that control that our ingenuity behind it.

Speaker C: Right.

Speaker A: Our regulatory scheme. I hate regulatory schemes. But if you're on their side of it, you would say, I would much rather we do it than give it to somebody else. If your real goal is to save the planet, why don't we take responsibility to do it correctly? And so, given it these assets.

Speaker C: So, Steve, good control of that great example right off our shores, right in the Gulf of Mexico, off the coast of California. It's infinite in international waters. The Chinese, Russians, other investors around the world are sinking offshore oil rigs. There are platforms pumping oil right off the shores of the United States.

Speaker A: What they're doing?

Speaker C: They're getting our oil off our shores in a way that can affect our shores. Right.

Speaker B: If they screw it up, they screw it up.

Speaker C: Right. Where does that oil slick go? It goes onto California, Florida and Texas speeches. But it's a Chinese company doing it.

Speaker A: Yeah, of course.

Speaker C: Because Biden won't let American companies go after our own oil.

Speaker A: This guy is treasonous. Maybe I'm just um angry today, but this stuff is bugging me today. It's like it's insanity. It is utter insanity that we're paying 6-7-8-A gallon for gasoline uh to supply.

Speaker C: The let's do a number. So when he was inaugurated, the cost of gasoline in Ohio was around two point $10. Okay. Yesterday it was 509. In my little town, it is more than doubled. It's going to triple.

Speaker A: It's going to triple if you fix a gallon in two years.

Speaker C: If you heard JPMorgan Chase, they have announced that oil, in their opinion, is going to get $160 per barrel.

Speaker B: And on the reverse side, I just read, too, that there's going to be an economic fight going on. Not a fight, but a price war for electric vehicles. They're talking that they can make an electric vehicle, eight forward electric vehicle for 18, sell it for 25. They're going to flood the market with electric vehicles. And we're not having no discussion on that. It's all an agenda.

Speaker C: Well, the problem with electric vehicles is twofold. Number one, follow the money.

Speaker A: Normally forgetting the stock and the electric vehicles are somewhere in there.

Speaker C: Somebody's making millions in Congress setting aside the idea that it lowers the carbon footprint. It doesn't because you got to make.

Speaker B: The electricity, you got to discharge the batteries.

Speaker C: You got to dig the lithium and the other minerals out of the gross.

Speaker A: If you ever seen one of those mines pictures, I'm Googling. It gross.

Speaker C: Yeah.

Speaker B: Sick.

Speaker A: It looks like something on Star Trek.

Speaker B: It's gross.

Speaker C: Well, yeah. Go Google Mongolia. Look at what uh a lithium strip mine um looks like.

Speaker B: And who owns that, right? China.

Speaker C: Okay.

Speaker A: I gave it to them, essentially. Yeah, that's right.

Speaker C: The minerals are in conflict nations. In many cases, the prices of those minerals are going to be controlled by a cartel, just like OPEC is a cartel. They're going to be controlled by China, Russia, other enemies uh of the US. And the cost of electric vehicles, I think right now, I think the average cost is $65,000 for the average EV right now. That's the average cost, which is not tenable for the average homeowner in the United States. That's more than they make a year. So the other problem is our electric grid. We're going to have rolling brownouts right.

Speaker A: Now for blackouts, right?

Speaker C: That's right. When everybody plugs in at night time so they can go commute to work the next day, it ain't going to happen.

Speaker A: I can't burn off cold for that. All right. Now I'm going to shift gears. No pun intended.

Speaker C: Yes.

Speaker A: I uh was up at Mid Ohio yesterday with my son, and I got him for Christmas, this um performance driving class where these race car drivers teach people how to be race car drivers. But as the guy said in the class, I didn't partake in the driving part, but they um let me sit through as an observer of all the classroom instruction. And I'm throwing this at you, Norm, because this is a hat tip to what real professional drivers know and do. I learn so much in the context of a two hour lecture on how to turn, how to skid, how to drive straight, how to brake. Like all of it, it is fascinating. And then when I watched, I watched everybody go out, all these students go out to the field. Uh first uh it was a big parking lot that had different drills with the cars they uh used. And then later on the big track at Mid Ohio, which is really cool. It was fascinating to me how much anybody could learn about driving safely by just doing that for a day. And uh this guy even said he goes, Look, I'm never going to say it out loud, except for right now. You should forget about everything you learn in your driver's Ed class and how to hold the wheel, what to do, how to turn. And it's really uh phenomenal experience. So this is my shameless. I get nothing for it. Plug for Mid Ohio's performance driving course, there's a one day, two day or three day course my son just did the one day. Next year I'm going back, I'm doing more. And they also have a teen defensive driving class. I spoke to the guy who was sort of doing most of the lecturing because I was just observer. So I had a lot of time just hang out with him. And he loves uh teaching the teens. And this guy, I'm not going to use the name because I don't know if you'd want me to, but this guy loves to teach people, kids, adults, anyone, how to drive more effectively and more safely.

Speaker C: Oh, for sure.

Speaker A: More safely. That's all right.

Speaker C: It's not really a racing course. It's basically driver safety. It's the main topic.

Speaker A: Teaching people just the inherent um physics behind how a car operates.

Speaker C: Competency.

Speaker A: Yeah. Sometimes just putting a vocabulary to the things that you don't quite understand brings it into Crystal clear focus. And he's talking about where the force is on the tires at any given time. When you're driving, whether you're hitting the brakes, whether you're hitting the gas, why you lose it in a skid, not just turn with it or turn it, but they explain why things are happening. And they gave the big picture solution. Look to where you want to go. And that's where you'll go.

Speaker C: Uh if you stare at the wall, you're going to hit the wall.

Speaker A: You're going to hit the wall.

Speaker C: You go where your eyes lead you to fundamental stuff. And you look way down the road. So when you're driving on I 71 on Easter weekend to go see your grandma, you don't look 10ft over the front of your hood. Okay. You occasionally flick your eyes right over your hood, maybe to scan for potholes, but you should be looking several hundred yards down the highway to understand what's going on with the traffic that's going to affect you in the next 1015 seconds. When you arrive at the place that you're looking, you need to look way down. There is that tractor trailer unit just about to squeeze that minivan off the highway. When he changes lanes, that lady is going to lose control in the median. And then I get collected in the accident. You got to be looking at that shit. If you're not looking way down the road, whether it's a race or whether it's commuting to see grandma on Easter weekend, you are putting yourself unnecessarily at risk.

Speaker A: And he said this.

Speaker C: You need to train your brain beyond.

Speaker A: That, as he was not beyond that. But to punctuate a further point he made as you're looking down the road, if you're looking further ahead, not right in front of you, you don't have the tunnel vision. Your peripheral vision picks up all the close stuff anyway. And that's what's remarkable. Like he would do that in the classroom and he would tell people to hold up fingers and do different things. And he could see it all and he was looking further ahead, but he could see what somebody's doing off to the right or right in front of him without looking at it. But the opposite is not true. If you're looking straight ahead, you can't see far out, right. Really incredible, right?

Speaker C: And for God's sake, don't be on your damn phone. Yeah, that's understood. My God. But your son's generation not picking on your son. That whole group of kids that were born with a phone in their hand, right? They came right out of the womb and the first thing they got was an iPhone. That generation, like they can't function on a daily basis if their iPhone is broken that day. It's a huge crap.

Speaker A: It's a big problem.

Speaker C: It's a big problem.

Speaker A: The other thing I picked up on that is where your hands are on the steering wheel. Were taught ten too. But then he went through some pretty basic stuff, frankly, Norm, that I probably should have thought about and knew, but I didn't. He called people hookers, where if you take the underhand grip to turn and people know what I mean, where you hook on and make that turn, you're putting your um forearm directly in front um of the airbag. So if you get hit, it's going to shatter your arm. And uh not only that, you're locking yourself in. You can only turn back as far as your hands start. So if you need to adjust further, you can't do it.

Speaker B: I never um did that because I never felt comfortable in turning that way. I've seen people do it.

Speaker A: I used to be a hooker, as I usually I'm not okay. I'm not.

Speaker C: A lot of people also wrap their thumbs around the rim of the wheel. And in a race car or in an accident on the street, if the wheel suddenly jerks, the spokes of the wheels can break uh or even sever your thumb off with that steering wheel instantaneously, like you hit a curb and the steering wheel instantly goes 90 degrees like that. It's like uh a meat slicer. It will break your thumbs if you've wrapped your thumbs and hook your thumb around the steering wheel. So you need to very lightly grip the steering wheel, not a death grip. And you need to not put your thumbs around the rim because you're just begging for an injury if something happens and there's a lot to think about.

Speaker A: And then the other thing they did, the skid cars, which was cool. But the thing that blew me away the most was teaching people how to turn at high speeds or at the fact this is probably more racing, but you can use it day in and day out, like teaching people how to break and then how to turn and when to do it. And I got to sit there with the instructor and they got a headset to all the people in the cars, all the students, as they're doing um it. And he was instructing them on what they were doing wrong and what they needed to do. And it blew me away, like hitting the apex of a turn and the start point of a turn and how to break into a turn and release the brakes. And the point was that if you're on your brakes, the weight is on the front of your tires, then you can steer. But if you take off the brakes too, soon the weight is back on the back tires uh and you lose steering control. Really fascinating stuff. I mean, really fascinating stuff. I really found it. I am more and more impressed day in and day out of race car drivers. And then he made this comment. He's like, yeah. Some people say, well, that guy is a stooge. You don't know how to drive. And you look at the top scores and they're all within 2 seconds of each other. And he said, look, that's like a 10th of a second on two turns. They're right back up there. And how you guys hit those turns and the detail of preparation to know the courses to drive, the courses to adjust on the fly when there might be some danger there or some wetness or you don't have grip blows me away, man. So hats off to you.

Speaker C: Well, yeah. And as you consume fuel and as the tire chemistry changes over the course of an hour or a 24 hours race or whatever it is, I'm about to do a 24 hours race in Michigan in two weeks. So, you know, the tire you start out with after 4 hours, and then you come in for a tire change or a full load of fuel. When you think fuel weighs about seven and a half pounds per gallon uh and you fill up a 20 or uh 30 gallon fuel cell, it's a lot different as the fuel is consumed and you get down to the last two or three gallons than when it was full. So the braking uh and the acceleration physics that you're talking about, where the mass is um located more in the back of the car or towards the front, under braking, under acceleration, in a turn, it all changes. And that real. Where experience comes into play is that seat of the pants knowledge that you don't necessarily have to at a certain point in your career, you don't have to think about you feel it. And it's really hard to describe to people until you like, process that and be able to be good enough, like this instructor to explicit that to non racers.

Speaker A: Here's what it is.

Speaker C: There's an art to explaining it. So I was a Honda school instructor for a weekend once, and it was interesting, the process of taking the knowledge that I had intuitively and then trying to disgorge that and explain it to other people.

Speaker A: What I told him, I said, look, I got in the car, started to rain at one point, he goes right back with me, and I jumped in the car with him. And I got to talk. And I said, look, by the way, man, you're an awesome teacher. You're an awesome teacher. And it was because of what you're talking about. Norm, this guy knew how to explain these things to different people in different ways. And maybe to say it this way, he knew how to explain it to each individual in a way that each individual could comprehend it and then employ it. And it starts with having a vocabulary about what you're describing. You have to impart the vocabulary. When a car does this, we're calling it this. We're calling it that. And it reminded me of my classical guitar instruction. There was a time that I could give a guitar to somebody who's very accomplished the same one I was playing, and it sounded like 100 times better. And I didn't know how they did it. I didn't know then I found a teacher who gave me a vocabulary to describe what he was doing to produce that tone. And um once I had the vocabulary, I could work on the individual techniques to produce that tone myself.

Speaker C: Not everybody who's great at something is good at teaching it.

Speaker A: That's right.

Speaker C: So probably the greatest driver in the history of auto racing was um an Argentinian driver named Fangio, and he won Formula One. They called the Grand Prix racing. I forget how many Championships, like five Championships. So he was the Michael Schumacher or the Lewis Hamilton of his day. And some people still, they study his races and they conclude that if he was racing today, he beat everybody because he just knew what to do. So when they asked him for racing advice, he couldn't really explain it. It was like part of his uh anatomy. And what he would say to people that ask for advice, what's the secret to winning a race? He said, more gas, less brakes.

Speaker A: Yeah. It's like Ben Hogan What's your secret hit with the first groove. You can't do it. And then other golf instructors can give you the vocabulary and part their wisdom and get you a swing that will produce a result. But if he has Tiger Woods, I bet he couldn't do it. He can do it himself. He's so in tune with what he's doing at his he may not be.

Speaker C: A uh good teacher.

Speaker B: Well, there's a danger point of having them explain it because then they get in their own head going, how do I talk about that?

Speaker A: That's an excellent uh point.

Speaker B: That's right. You don't want to burst that little intelligence bubble.

Speaker A: You don't want to complicate what you're doing. Right.

Speaker B: And that's it. You're making it complicated and that can actually break it down. Authors say, how did you write that great book? Then they start getting on the head about, I don't have it in me anymore while you're overthinking to write another book.

Speaker A: Yeah, shut up and just do it.

Speaker B: Just do it.

Speaker C: Little shout out for my monthly car show uh that I helped organize. So with this day next week, June 15, we'll be at Woody's WingHouse uh up in Worthington uh um at 11:00 to. Uh 01:00. And there's uh 10% off little coupons that they give us. But basically, you don't have to eat or buy anything. Just bring your car, your motorcycle, your truck, whatever out. And it can be uh your daily driver or it can be something special. It doesn't matter. Everybody's invited. It's not a club. Uh no dues, no fees, no trophies. It's just laidback guys having lunch and screwing around out in the parking lot.

Speaker A: Uh awesome. Well, with that, It's probably going to wrap uh it up. This has been another uh awesome roundtable addition. I'm glad we ended up on some high notes there Because it was getting sort of depressing for me.

Speaker C: Yes, it was.

Speaker A: But maybe that's where we are um right now. I don't know. There's uh always better stuff to come. Just depends on how far out you're willing to look.

Speaker C: Yeah, let's hope so.

Speaker A: All right, uh so there's been another lawyer talk roundtable edition. As always, a couple of wrap up announcements. One, if you want your own podcast, Just look us up. Channel five one.com put you in touch with Brett over at circle 270 media. Mypodcast Guy.com. He is my podcast guy, I can tell you that. So if you like this uh podcast, I don't hardly even try yours could be awesome. We've done the hard work here. All you have to do is bring your own show. We've done the work. We've got the table, we've got the microphones. And by the way, let me talk a little bit about the equipment. It is not easy to get a good sounding podcast. Everybody will sell you whatever. But when push comes to shove, there's a reason we had to build uh a studio down here because we wanted professional results for people who were working with our studio. And why reinvent the wheel? We've already got it here. It's a roundtable done.

Speaker C: Done. Yeah.

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Speaker C: Come up with, like, little blankets for people that send you $19 a month. Like uh the little causes on TV. Like the little 511 fuzzy little blanket.

Speaker A: We'll get them like a coffee Cuppers or like a steel.

Speaker B: Not the Yetis kind of thing.

Speaker A: We get our own Yeti. But then, right? So, yeah, maybe we'll do that. I don't know. All right, well, until this is a lawyer talked roundtable off the record on you at least until now.