1 00:00:09,876 --> 00:00:12,178 Welcome to user Friendly 2.0 2 00:00:12,178 --> 00:00:15,949 with host Bill Sikkens, technology architect. 3 00:00:22,122 --> 00:00:23,390 And this is User Friendly. 4 00:00:23,390 --> 00:00:24,958 I am your host Bill Sikkens. 5 00:00:24,958 --> 00:00:28,094 Joining me Bill and Gretchen, welcome to this week's show. 6 00:00:28,795 --> 00:00:29,896 I'm there. 7 00:00:29,896 --> 00:00:32,499 So we've had some interesting things happen. 8 00:00:32,499 --> 00:00:34,234 We got to go see the new Mando movie. 9 00:00:34,234 --> 00:00:36,469 We're going to be talking about that in a little bit here. 10 00:00:36,469 --> 00:00:38,371 Gretchen hated it, of course, but she hates everything. 11 00:00:38,371 --> 00:00:40,306 Star Wars. 12 00:00:40,306 --> 00:00:41,307 Yeah, right. 13 00:00:41,307 --> 00:00:44,411 Anyway, I the look on 14 00:00:44,411 --> 00:00:47,414 your face does not transmit over the radio, so. 15 00:00:47,981 --> 00:00:48,915 I'm sorry. 16 00:00:48,915 --> 00:00:51,851 Which was like, you're about to kill me for that statement anyway. 17 00:00:51,851 --> 00:00:53,019 So we're going to be talking about that. 18 00:00:53,019 --> 00:00:55,155 We're also going to be talking about an event 19 00:00:55,155 --> 00:00:59,225 we got to go to called afterburner at the Air and Space Museum 20 00:00:59,225 --> 00:01:01,895 in McMinnville, Oregon. So those are two things coming up. 21 00:01:01,895 --> 00:01:03,563 Second segment, we're going to be talking about 22 00:01:03,563 --> 00:01:06,699 the state of the industry for publishing and programmers. 23 00:01:06,699 --> 00:01:10,537 These are questions you've been sending in dealing with layoffs and so on. 24 00:01:10,537 --> 00:01:11,871 And what is happening? 25 00:01:11,871 --> 00:01:16,743 And should you still learn to be a programmer, that kind of thing. 26 00:01:16,743 --> 00:01:19,112 So we're going to be deep diving into that. 27 00:01:19,112 --> 00:01:22,015 But before we get to all of that, let's just jump into the news. 28 00:01:22,015 --> 00:01:25,051 What do we have this week okay. 29 00:01:25,351 --> 00:01:29,556 Why is Ferrari loose so controversial? 30 00:01:30,657 --> 00:01:33,493 Because it's hard to say the name unless you're Italian. 31 00:01:33,493 --> 00:01:35,829 Yeah, well, 32 00:01:35,829 --> 00:01:38,064 but it is fun to say Ferrari. 33 00:01:38,064 --> 00:01:38,331 Yeah. 34 00:01:38,331 --> 00:01:42,001 There's always going to say Ferrari, you know, no question about that. 35 00:01:42,035 --> 00:01:43,136 Why is it controversial? 36 00:01:43,136 --> 00:01:47,006 Okay, well, first of all, Luke is an electric Ferrari. 37 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,976 So just to kind of give you an idea of where it's going, 38 00:01:49,976 --> 00:01:51,311 that is where it's coming from. 39 00:01:51,311 --> 00:01:55,615 And the picture of the car is different from a lot of other Ferraris. 40 00:01:55,615 --> 00:01:57,417 And this has been creating a lot of controversy. 41 00:01:57,417 --> 00:01:59,185 Now first, look at it here. 42 00:01:59,185 --> 00:02:01,321 I think I kind of like it. 43 00:02:01,321 --> 00:02:04,290 I don't think it's ugly, but I think it looks like 44 00:02:04,290 --> 00:02:07,293 an advanced car, you know, like it's modern. 45 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:08,561 You know, I think we need to check it out. 46 00:02:08,561 --> 00:02:11,331 Now, our next topic, spoiler alert, we're going to be getting some demo units. 47 00:02:11,331 --> 00:02:14,801 I wonder if I can get a couple of demo units of this so we can see if we like it. 48 00:02:14,834 --> 00:02:16,469 Oh, the Ferraris, the electric. 49 00:02:16,469 --> 00:02:21,141 Oh, I would take one to I would take a hit for him and absolutely. 50 00:02:21,174 --> 00:02:25,278 So and testing us a couple of units I'll give you my address. 51 00:02:27,113 --> 00:02:28,681 So why is it controversial. 52 00:02:28,681 --> 00:02:31,651 Well okay. There's a lot of 53 00:02:32,185 --> 00:02:35,855 I guess subjective reasoning on this would be the best way to put it. 54 00:02:35,922 --> 00:02:39,225 But what they're saying, the professionals, whoever that may be, 55 00:02:39,259 --> 00:02:42,695 is that most people that by a Ferrari defy logic 56 00:02:42,695 --> 00:02:46,065 when they do so price and what it is and all that kind of stuff. 57 00:02:46,232 --> 00:02:49,302 And I kind of could see some logic to that. 58 00:02:49,302 --> 00:02:51,704 They are expensive cars and they're cool. 59 00:02:51,704 --> 00:02:54,707 But the thing of it is, is a lot of what goes for a Ferrari, 60 00:02:54,707 --> 00:02:58,778 like the speed and stuff you're not legally allowed to use in most places. 61 00:02:58,978 --> 00:02:59,279 Yeah. 62 00:02:59,279 --> 00:03:05,118 So while it has that going on, you know, this one's being sold in the opposite way. 63 00:03:05,118 --> 00:03:09,556 You understand it first and then decide if you want to buy it. 64 00:03:09,556 --> 00:03:12,559 And that seems to be what's causing the controversy here. 65 00:03:12,692 --> 00:03:15,962 So people that have driven it from the most part 66 00:03:15,995 --> 00:03:17,597 don't seem to have a problem with it. 67 00:03:17,597 --> 00:03:22,001 There's a lot of dispute on other electric cars which are good and which are not. 68 00:03:22,001 --> 00:03:24,304 There doesn't seem to be a lot of people going, oh, I hate this. 69 00:03:24,304 --> 00:03:26,039 It's, you know, that type of a thing. 70 00:03:26,039 --> 00:03:27,907 It's actually quite impressive. 71 00:03:27,907 --> 00:03:29,242 So it's well made. 72 00:03:29,242 --> 00:03:33,413 It's well made, you know, and it is premium and all of that. 73 00:03:33,413 --> 00:03:37,817 But it is very different from Ferrari's other vehicles. 74 00:03:37,817 --> 00:03:42,021 And for legacy was built on emotional overload 75 00:03:42,021 --> 00:03:45,158 and irrational design, says the person reviewing this. 76 00:03:45,158 --> 00:03:47,594 And this one is very different. 77 00:03:47,594 --> 00:03:49,696 So it's kind of interesting 78 00:03:49,696 --> 00:03:52,732 because this kind of comes down a little bit to marketing, sort of. 79 00:03:53,433 --> 00:03:56,603 And just the idea that you have a brand 80 00:03:56,636 --> 00:04:00,073 that you're selling based on, it's cool and almost an impulse buy. 81 00:04:00,073 --> 00:04:03,443 I'd love to be in the, you know, income bracket, impulse buy a Ferrari. 82 00:04:03,443 --> 00:04:06,079 But there is the people that can do that. 83 00:04:06,079 --> 00:04:08,881 Hello, Richard. Anyway, so, you know, it's 84 00:04:10,817 --> 00:04:13,219 but at the end of the day, 85 00:04:13,219 --> 00:04:16,189 I think probably looking at it as far as Evie goes 86 00:04:16,189 --> 00:04:18,057 and the reviews on people that have driven it 87 00:04:18,057 --> 00:04:20,059 and that kind of a thing, they're very positive. 88 00:04:20,059 --> 00:04:22,895 It's just it's very different for Ferrari's doing. 89 00:04:22,895 --> 00:04:25,898 And the idea here is if it was under a different badge, 90 00:04:26,232 --> 00:04:29,902 it would probably would be considered one of the best EVs on the market. 91 00:04:30,436 --> 00:04:34,707 Well, that doesn't seem fair to just pick on it 92 00:04:34,707 --> 00:04:38,711 because of its, you know, if it's a good vehicle, it's a good vehicle. 93 00:04:38,745 --> 00:04:39,979 Well, people pick on things. 94 00:04:39,979 --> 00:04:43,783 Recently I've been told they pick on whether there really are 365 days 95 00:04:43,783 --> 00:04:46,953 in the year, you know, if we actually have 50 states. 96 00:04:46,953 --> 00:04:47,920 Hi, Steve. 97 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:52,225 Anyway, there's another what have we got next? 98 00:04:53,626 --> 00:04:55,828 Well, the box go 10.3 99 00:04:55,828 --> 00:05:00,033 Lumi Gen two review sleek, slim and suddenly indispensable. 100 00:05:00,533 --> 00:05:02,235 So this is an E tablet. 101 00:05:02,235 --> 00:05:04,871 Bill, can you tell us what NE tablet is? 102 00:05:04,871 --> 00:05:07,907 Well, it's a Paperwhite as some people would go. 103 00:05:07,940 --> 00:05:10,176 Or it's an ink, as they call it. 104 00:05:10,176 --> 00:05:13,780 It's a kind of like an iPad, except it's only in black and white. 105 00:05:13,813 --> 00:05:15,882 Is my understanding. Right. 106 00:05:15,882 --> 00:05:17,583 So it's mostly for reading. 107 00:05:17,583 --> 00:05:21,821 And I was foolish enough to see this article and think it was a drawing tablet, 108 00:05:22,021 --> 00:05:25,191 so there was something misleading about it a little. 109 00:05:25,358 --> 00:05:26,993 You got the impression 110 00:05:26,993 --> 00:05:30,730 by the fact that it's shown in the article with someone, you know, drawing on it. 111 00:05:30,797 --> 00:05:35,335 This comes out a creative block and they've done a deep dive into it. 112 00:05:35,335 --> 00:05:37,537 Georgina Kogan is the author. 113 00:05:37,537 --> 00:05:41,040 She wrote this, and basically what it is, is kind of what you're talking about. 114 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:42,842 You can draw on it, but it is a tablet. 115 00:05:42,842 --> 00:05:44,210 It's meant to be used for that purpose. 116 00:05:44,210 --> 00:05:47,213 It's not like the bamboo or something of that nature. 117 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,717 I can draw on my Samsung Galaxy tablet too, 118 00:05:50,717 --> 00:05:52,185 but that's not really what it's meant for. 119 00:05:52,185 --> 00:05:55,355 But it will work for taking notes and that kind of a thing. 120 00:05:55,355 --> 00:06:00,093 And the one thing about ink that I think is kind of cool, I like this in my Kindle, 121 00:06:00,293 --> 00:06:04,030 is that it doesn't use battery power when it's displaying the screen, 122 00:06:04,030 --> 00:06:07,500 unless there's a backlight, which would still have to power that, 123 00:06:07,500 --> 00:06:11,571 but it only uses power when it's changing what's physically displayed. 124 00:06:11,571 --> 00:06:14,741 So it's a little different technology than your normal tablet, where once 125 00:06:14,741 --> 00:06:17,977 it's on its drawing power and these are kind of cool. 126 00:06:17,977 --> 00:06:19,145 I've got a couple of 127 00:06:19,145 --> 00:06:22,915 picture frames that are in color, and they just sit on the wall forever. 128 00:06:22,915 --> 00:06:24,217 And if you want to change the picture, 129 00:06:24,217 --> 00:06:26,386 then yeah, it uses some of the battery to do it. 130 00:06:26,386 --> 00:06:30,423 Otherwise it just sits there and it looks like a picture, you know. 131 00:06:30,456 --> 00:06:33,960 So kind of cool from that standpoint it's going to be interesting. 132 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,562 It looks like we're in the line to get a couple of test units 133 00:06:36,562 --> 00:06:39,065 to actually try this thing out and see what we think of it. 134 00:06:39,065 --> 00:06:41,701 So when they come, we'll go ahead and do a full review on it. 135 00:06:42,668 --> 00:06:43,736 Sounds like fun. 136 00:06:43,736 --> 00:06:44,704 Okay. 137 00:06:44,704 --> 00:06:47,540 Oscar winning Star Wars editor 138 00:06:47,540 --> 00:06:50,543 Marcia Lucas has died. 139 00:06:50,643 --> 00:06:52,945 Yeah, we're seeing a lot of the greats go. 140 00:06:52,945 --> 00:06:55,615 I know I keep saying that, but it keeps happening. 141 00:06:55,615 --> 00:06:57,083 She died at the age of 80. 142 00:06:57,083 --> 00:06:59,852 George Lucas's first wife. Yeah. 143 00:06:59,852 --> 00:07:04,791 And as the headline says, did a lot of editing and that type of a thing. 144 00:07:04,824 --> 00:07:08,261 In fact, she won an Oscar for editing on the very first Star Wars film. 145 00:07:08,661 --> 00:07:14,467 She has done a lot of things and contributed a lot to the craft 146 00:07:14,467 --> 00:07:18,171 as it is, and has really been very good at what she does. 147 00:07:18,771 --> 00:07:22,942 I, she certainly assisted George with the production of Star Wars 148 00:07:22,942 --> 00:07:23,843 and that type of a thing, 149 00:07:23,843 --> 00:07:27,747 and being able to do this, and is someone that's just considered to have been 150 00:07:27,747 --> 00:07:31,050 a good person, good at her job and just a nice person in general. 151 00:07:31,050 --> 00:07:33,519 So we have to say goodbye to her. 152 00:07:33,519 --> 00:07:36,422 She passed away from cancer. 153 00:07:36,422 --> 00:07:38,157 Oh, geez. More cancer. 154 00:07:39,892 --> 00:07:41,627 Unexplained flashes detected 155 00:07:41,627 --> 00:07:45,331 by American satellites built to catch Soviet cheating on test ban. 156 00:07:46,098 --> 00:07:49,068 All right, so an article on Space Daily is where we get this 157 00:07:49,068 --> 00:07:52,238 kind of a little bit of an interesting situation here. 158 00:07:52,505 --> 00:07:56,375 So they saw the flashes when these satellites went up, 159 00:07:56,375 --> 00:07:58,811 which was in the late 60s. 160 00:07:58,811 --> 00:08:01,781 The original purpose of these satellites was to look at Russia 161 00:08:01,781 --> 00:08:05,618 and see if they were cheating on the test ban, that being the nuclear test 162 00:08:05,618 --> 00:08:07,386 ban from space. 163 00:08:07,386 --> 00:08:10,590 So all of that's fine and well, but they immediately started seeing 164 00:08:10,590 --> 00:08:13,593 white flashes and didn't know what it was. 165 00:08:13,593 --> 00:08:16,028 But the type of energy that they were seeing, 166 00:08:16,028 --> 00:08:20,466 which they could measure, wasn't anything that was known at least to be used 167 00:08:20,466 --> 00:08:22,502 in the nuclear program and what it turned out to be, 168 00:08:22,502 --> 00:08:23,436 if Russia had had 169 00:08:23,436 --> 00:08:26,439 this technology, would have been very bad for the rest of the world, 170 00:08:26,439 --> 00:08:30,042 because what they were picking up was gamma ray bursts. 171 00:08:31,143 --> 00:08:34,580 And this is something that comes from deep space. 172 00:08:34,747 --> 00:08:38,251 One burst can actually output more energy than the entire energy 173 00:08:38,251 --> 00:08:40,786 that is put out by our sun during its full lifetime. 174 00:08:40,786 --> 00:08:43,456 So this is like a lot of energy, right? 175 00:08:43,456 --> 00:08:46,158 When you look at it from that kind of a standpoint. 176 00:08:46,158 --> 00:08:50,830 And yeah, it definitely was something that was perplexing. 177 00:08:50,830 --> 00:08:54,734 They figured out what was during the 70s, published some information on a bit. 178 00:08:54,734 --> 00:08:59,105 Modern technology has allowed them to deep dive into this a lot deeper 179 00:08:59,105 --> 00:09:02,241 to figure out where it actually originated and that kind of thing. 180 00:09:02,241 --> 00:09:07,747 It was first published in June of 1973 under a title called Observations 181 00:09:07,747 --> 00:09:12,552 of Gamma Ray Bursts of Cosmic Origin in the Astrophysical Journal Letters. 182 00:09:12,585 --> 00:09:14,654 Something interesting to look up. 183 00:09:14,654 --> 00:09:15,621 Actually, it's a good article, 184 00:09:15,621 --> 00:09:17,590 even if you're not really into the technical side of it. 185 00:09:17,590 --> 00:09:20,993 It goes through in some detail on this, and it is available online. 186 00:09:21,027 --> 00:09:25,097 So, you know, at the end of the day, you have something that ended up 187 00:09:25,097 --> 00:09:29,201 finding something completely different than what it was designed to do, 188 00:09:29,602 --> 00:09:34,073 and something that science didn't really know much about prior 189 00:09:34,073 --> 00:09:35,441 to it, if anything at all. 190 00:09:39,345 --> 00:09:41,914 Drones crash into water after 191 00:09:41,914 --> 00:09:44,917 Sydney light show malfunction 192 00:09:46,118 --> 00:09:48,654 coming from the BBC Lana Lamb wrote this. 193 00:09:48,654 --> 00:09:51,991 And what happened is, is 90 drones 194 00:09:51,991 --> 00:09:55,795 fell from the sky over Sydney's Darling Harbor during a winter light show. 195 00:09:55,828 --> 00:09:59,699 Now, before we get into the details on that, I had an opportunity 196 00:09:59,699 --> 00:10:03,235 to see the light show for Star Wars on May 4th last month. 197 00:10:03,235 --> 00:10:05,838 And you did too. What did you think of it? 198 00:10:05,838 --> 00:10:08,307 That was cool. It was really cool. 199 00:10:08,307 --> 00:10:14,280 But it's amazing how they can keep all these little devices all coordinated 200 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:19,352 and figure out the space that it needs in order to create the images. 201 00:10:19,352 --> 00:10:24,357 So this must have been really shocking when they had this malfunction. 202 00:10:24,357 --> 00:10:25,791 What was the reaction? 203 00:10:25,791 --> 00:10:27,994 Well, the reaction, like you say, it was shocked. 204 00:10:27,994 --> 00:10:29,095 So it's kind of interesting. 205 00:10:29,095 --> 00:10:31,797 I was putting out the company that puts this on is called Sky magic. 206 00:10:31,797 --> 00:10:33,099 They're based in the UK. 207 00:10:33,099 --> 00:10:36,869 And the first thing was it was due to a technical malfunction. 208 00:10:36,936 --> 00:10:39,538 I'm not sure we needed a press release on that. 209 00:10:41,941 --> 00:10:45,177 Well, you know, I just thought it looked like an interesting story. 210 00:10:45,211 --> 00:10:47,079 Yeah, well, it it is, it is. 211 00:10:47,079 --> 00:10:49,015 But you know, that explanation after the fact, 212 00:10:49,015 --> 00:10:50,182 they went into a little more detail 213 00:10:50,182 --> 00:10:54,787 saying that it was due to a problem with radio frequencies and it caused a glitch. 214 00:10:55,254 --> 00:10:58,024 And again, the reporting on it's very interesting. 215 00:10:58,024 --> 00:11:02,461 The spectators are quoted as saying the sound of them crashing on the wharf 216 00:11:02,461 --> 00:11:06,098 was considerable, even from probably 10 to 15 or 20m away, 217 00:11:06,232 --> 00:11:10,403 you could hear them physically crash and smash onto the cement Marina. 218 00:11:11,170 --> 00:11:15,641 Oh, the statement from Sky magic was they landed. 219 00:11:16,642 --> 00:11:18,811 Oh, I 220 00:11:18,811 --> 00:11:22,715 so then the question is, is were these expensive to replace? 221 00:11:22,748 --> 00:11:25,251 I'm sure they weren't cheap. I'm sure they weren't cheap. 222 00:11:25,251 --> 00:11:27,153 So official statement from Sky magic. 223 00:11:27,153 --> 00:11:31,157 During the performance on the evening of the 25th of May, Sky magic experienced 224 00:11:31,157 --> 00:11:31,857 a technical issue 225 00:11:31,857 --> 00:11:35,695 that resulted in 89 drones landing in the water around cockle Bay. 226 00:11:35,761 --> 00:11:38,397 Hopefully I'm saying that right. And that's the wharf. 227 00:11:39,398 --> 00:11:40,900 And you know, 228 00:11:40,900 --> 00:11:45,938 like you say with drones, it is amazing how much actually goes into that. 229 00:11:46,472 --> 00:11:49,642 Like watching the Star Wars show and other light shows of this nature. 230 00:11:49,675 --> 00:11:53,312 Each drone kind of represents a pixel on a screen, 231 00:11:53,546 --> 00:11:56,148 and that's the way they put it together and their color changing and all of that. 232 00:11:56,148 --> 00:11:59,151 So they can actually make full on images in the sky. 233 00:11:59,318 --> 00:12:00,386 And it's quite amazing. 234 00:12:00,386 --> 00:12:02,421 And the fact that you would have a technical problem 235 00:12:02,421 --> 00:12:04,457 with this once in a while is to be expected. 236 00:12:04,457 --> 00:12:05,991 In fact, I'm surprised 237 00:12:05,991 --> 00:12:06,859 and actually impressed 238 00:12:06,859 --> 00:12:09,862 that they're able to do as much as they can without problems. 239 00:12:10,162 --> 00:12:10,763 Yeah. 240 00:12:10,763 --> 00:12:13,733 Have you ever seen the Skinwalker Ranch program? 241 00:12:14,033 --> 00:12:16,702 A while ago from Utah, right. 242 00:12:16,702 --> 00:12:20,639 Yeah, they they had like, one of these drone companies 243 00:12:20,639 --> 00:12:23,943 show up with their drones, like a whole block of them. 244 00:12:24,243 --> 00:12:26,812 Kind of like what you would do in a light show. 245 00:12:26,812 --> 00:12:31,717 And they were trying to run tests, and they had some interesting results 246 00:12:31,984 --> 00:12:35,121 from their placement of the drones. 247 00:12:35,121 --> 00:12:37,890 And, you know, the weird stuff is going on there. 248 00:12:37,890 --> 00:12:38,891 So if you and I are finally going 249 00:12:38,891 --> 00:12:40,893 to go fly a drone here in the next couple of weeks 250 00:12:40,893 --> 00:12:45,498 to let you know how that goes, I still have to take the test, remember? 251 00:12:45,531 --> 00:12:46,632 Yeah, we'll do that. 252 00:12:46,632 --> 00:12:51,937 But anyway, the the thing of it is, is drones can be very expensive. 253 00:12:51,937 --> 00:12:56,675 And according to the organizers and Sky magic, 254 00:12:56,709 --> 00:13:01,013 they feature up to 1000 drones specifically built for this purpose. 255 00:13:01,013 --> 00:13:03,983 And the shows can last up to 12 minutes long. 256 00:13:03,983 --> 00:13:06,585 And now I think I can safely say, Gretchen, 257 00:13:06,585 --> 00:13:09,555 that a skinwalker was not responsible for this technical malfunction. 258 00:13:09,555 --> 00:13:10,723 I mean, anything's possible. 259 00:13:10,723 --> 00:13:14,994 So if one was, let us know in the comments and we'll look into that. 260 00:13:14,994 --> 00:13:18,063 But the thing of it is, is nobody got hurt. 261 00:13:18,063 --> 00:13:22,034 And they did come down whether they landed, as said, by the 262 00:13:22,401 --> 00:13:24,303 production company or crashed as they said, 263 00:13:24,303 --> 00:13:26,505 by the spectators, they fell in the safety area. 264 00:13:26,505 --> 00:13:27,173 Nobody got hurt. 265 00:13:27,173 --> 00:13:30,643 Nothing bad happened other than, I think, surprising people. 266 00:13:31,043 --> 00:13:33,078 But, you know, it's cool. 267 00:13:33,078 --> 00:13:36,315 I would love to see this in person, this type of thing. 268 00:13:36,982 --> 00:13:39,018 Not necessarily. Not going to get to Sydney anytime soon. 269 00:13:39,018 --> 00:13:39,985 Well who knows, right? 270 00:13:39,985 --> 00:13:41,987 But they do drone shows like this. 271 00:13:41,987 --> 00:13:45,558 And for American Independence Day, July 4th, 272 00:13:45,591 --> 00:13:48,561 we're starting to see a lot more drone shows than fireworks displays. 273 00:13:48,561 --> 00:13:49,461 Just because they're safer. 274 00:13:49,461 --> 00:13:51,931 You don't have the I think it would be better. 275 00:13:51,931 --> 00:13:52,932 Yeah. You know. 276 00:13:52,932 --> 00:13:53,465 Yeah. 277 00:13:53,465 --> 00:13:57,436 Well, maybe we can try and see one of those this year and see what it was. 278 00:13:57,469 --> 00:13:59,471 It's kind of cool. 279 00:13:59,471 --> 00:14:02,875 But yeah, that's what happened. And 280 00:14:04,710 --> 00:14:06,946 I guess it would have been a little bit of a shock. 281 00:14:06,946 --> 00:14:12,384 Speaking of which, we got to go see Star Wars movie Mandalorian, Grogu 282 00:14:12,418 --> 00:14:13,118 this last week. 283 00:14:13,118 --> 00:14:14,820 And, Gretchen, why don't you tell us a little bit about that? 284 00:14:14,820 --> 00:14:17,423 We got a private showing, which was really kind of cool. 285 00:14:17,423 --> 00:14:19,058 It was like a private showing. 286 00:14:19,058 --> 00:14:23,662 Well, we we really we went early in the morning 287 00:14:23,662 --> 00:14:28,267 and we had the entire theater to ourselves, which was pretty awesome, 288 00:14:28,634 --> 00:14:30,903 to just footnote that it was not a private showing 289 00:14:30,903 --> 00:14:33,973 because they said you could see it privately in the Imax theater, 290 00:14:33,973 --> 00:14:36,976 which would be extremely expensive to do. 291 00:14:37,076 --> 00:14:37,910 But like Gretchen said, 292 00:14:37,910 --> 00:14:41,380 we decided to see it in the morning and we went at what, 9 a.m. 293 00:14:41,380 --> 00:14:44,350 or something? Yep, 9 a.m.. 294 00:14:44,350 --> 00:14:45,517 You know, a little footnote on it. 295 00:14:45,517 --> 00:14:49,421 I got to tell you, the concession stand of movie theater does not serve breakfast 296 00:14:50,389 --> 00:14:51,657 when you're coming to a 9 a.m. 297 00:14:51,657 --> 00:14:54,026 showing of a movie, though. 298 00:14:54,026 --> 00:14:57,463 Hey, you know, but it was really nice because there wasn't anybody 299 00:14:57,563 --> 00:14:58,898 doing anything weird. 300 00:14:58,898 --> 00:15:01,400 It was like it was all just for us. 301 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,103 It was really kind of fun. What do you think? The movie. 302 00:15:04,103 --> 00:15:07,373 The movie was amazing because, you know, 303 00:15:07,439 --> 00:15:11,076 you hear all kinds of weird people making comments and stuff. 304 00:15:11,076 --> 00:15:15,414 And I think that was a really fun film. 305 00:15:15,414 --> 00:15:17,416 The story was done well. 306 00:15:17,416 --> 00:15:20,419 The they stayed true to the characters. 307 00:15:20,686 --> 00:15:23,956 The acting was good, the artwork, you know, 308 00:15:23,956 --> 00:15:27,426 all of the editing and all of the special effects were good. 309 00:15:27,426 --> 00:15:29,228 The costuming was good. 310 00:15:29,228 --> 00:15:32,298 I can't really think of anything that was bad. 311 00:15:32,498 --> 00:15:36,502 Yeah, if you read online, it's getting good reviews, although there are 312 00:15:36,502 --> 00:15:38,504 those that are picking things apart. 313 00:15:38,504 --> 00:15:40,639 And I have to say from my own standpoint 314 00:15:40,639 --> 00:15:43,642 now, I'm not as knowledgeable in Star Wars, Gretchen, as you are. 315 00:15:43,742 --> 00:15:46,412 You know, I think you're 316 00:15:46,412 --> 00:15:49,982 probably second only to George Lucas and that maybe even debatable. 317 00:15:50,015 --> 00:15:51,483 I don't think so. 318 00:15:52,751 --> 00:15:56,055 No, but in any event, it was. 319 00:15:56,055 --> 00:16:00,492 I agree, it was a very much a throwback to the original Star Wars 320 00:16:00,559 --> 00:16:04,096 movies, where it had parts that were intense, it had parts that were comical, 321 00:16:04,296 --> 00:16:08,067 parts that kind of were very, I don't know, peaceful and thoughtful. 322 00:16:08,100 --> 00:16:12,471 Yeah, yeah, I love the it was it was charming. 323 00:16:12,638 --> 00:16:15,441 It had action and it was charming. 324 00:16:15,441 --> 00:16:19,144 I'll tell you what, there's been some talk among certain circles 325 00:16:19,144 --> 00:16:21,013 that some of the recent things in the Star Wars 326 00:16:21,013 --> 00:16:23,015 franchise could end up, like ruining it. 327 00:16:23,015 --> 00:16:24,917 I think this did the exact opposite. 328 00:16:24,917 --> 00:16:28,020 I think that you have to go out to everybody was involved in it 329 00:16:28,020 --> 00:16:32,424 because it was something that is what Star Wars was supposed to be. 330 00:16:32,424 --> 00:16:35,294 No politics or anything from that end either. 331 00:16:35,294 --> 00:16:38,063 It was just a good movie and like you say, true. 332 00:16:38,063 --> 00:16:43,535 The character is done well and we really enjoyed being able to watch it. 333 00:16:43,535 --> 00:16:47,840 And the private showing was kind of cool in Imax, but I don't know 334 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:51,110 if I would say that it's necessary to actually see this one in Imax. 335 00:16:51,143 --> 00:16:52,911 I mean, it's cool to do that. 336 00:16:52,911 --> 00:16:54,913 I think a regular theater is just fine, 337 00:16:54,913 --> 00:16:58,951 and it will save you a lot of money on your passes or your tickets. 338 00:16:58,984 --> 00:17:01,153 I'm looking forward to seeing it again. 339 00:17:01,153 --> 00:17:04,223 Yeah, at the end of the day, and I think maybe we will see it again. 340 00:17:04,223 --> 00:17:07,059 I've been told that this one is actually a big deal. 341 00:17:07,059 --> 00:17:08,460 We might try to see it in 3-D. 342 00:17:08,460 --> 00:17:12,865 Now, I don't normally get too much out of 3D, but neither do I. 343 00:17:12,931 --> 00:17:15,667 It's from what I'm hearing, the way the special effects are done. 344 00:17:15,667 --> 00:17:17,403 It's not just like people who are throwing things at you 345 00:17:17,403 --> 00:17:19,438 from the screen, it's actually been thought out, 346 00:17:19,438 --> 00:17:20,906 so it might be worth checking out. 347 00:17:20,906 --> 00:17:22,441 We'll have to see how that goes. 348 00:17:22,441 --> 00:17:24,076 Are you going to see it? 349 00:17:25,310 --> 00:17:26,078 I might. 350 00:17:26,078 --> 00:17:29,014 I have a schedule, so I don't know 351 00:17:29,014 --> 00:17:32,351 if I'll be able to or not, but let's see if I can. 352 00:17:32,384 --> 00:17:34,219 Yeah, it's a long movie. 353 00:17:34,219 --> 00:17:34,553 Yeah. 354 00:17:34,553 --> 00:17:36,055 Be prepared for that. Yeah. 355 00:17:36,055 --> 00:17:38,257 So don't tell everybody. 356 00:17:38,257 --> 00:17:42,594 Don't drink big drinks before the movie starts, okay? 357 00:17:42,628 --> 00:17:45,631 Because then you'd have to get up. 358 00:17:47,833 --> 00:17:50,302 And on the list of things that we're cool to do. 359 00:17:50,302 --> 00:17:54,473 We got to check out an event called afterburner at the Evergreen 360 00:17:54,506 --> 00:17:55,474 Air and Space Museum. 361 00:17:55,474 --> 00:17:59,578 Now, for anybody that doesn't know about that, Evergreen Air and Space Museum 362 00:17:59,578 --> 00:18:01,380 is where the Spruce Goose is. 363 00:18:01,380 --> 00:18:05,250 There a large museum of that type that's located in McMinnville, Oregon, 364 00:18:05,551 --> 00:18:08,620 right across the street from McMinnville International Airport? 365 00:18:08,954 --> 00:18:10,355 I say that sarcastically. 366 00:18:10,355 --> 00:18:13,025 It's an airfield, but kind of a cool one. 367 00:18:13,025 --> 00:18:16,161 You can fly jet suits there, so you know, that makes it better than most. 368 00:18:16,195 --> 00:18:19,898 But the event was something 369 00:18:19,898 --> 00:18:23,035 that was done and I thought came off very well. 370 00:18:23,035 --> 00:18:23,469 And Gretchen, 371 00:18:23,469 --> 00:18:27,106 I'll give you a moment, in a moment here to give what your thoughts on it. 372 00:18:27,372 --> 00:18:31,376 But the Air and Space Museum has gone through some rocky times, 373 00:18:31,510 --> 00:18:35,414 especially during Covid and that type of stuff where there were some talk 374 00:18:35,481 --> 00:18:36,682 that it might close. 375 00:18:36,682 --> 00:18:38,450 And from what I understand, 376 00:18:38,450 --> 00:18:41,587 they've got a new CEO involved that recently has taken over. 377 00:18:41,587 --> 00:18:44,523 And kudos to him if that's what has created this. 378 00:18:44,523 --> 00:18:48,260 But they have really stepped up their game recently, and it's so nice to see 379 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:49,895 a lot of new exhibits. 380 00:18:49,895 --> 00:18:53,699 The space Hall, which has been renamed now, which still has all the space 381 00:18:53,699 --> 00:18:54,600 exhibits, 382 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,335 they've also added a lot of things in there 383 00:18:56,335 --> 00:18:59,338 that were previously kind of an empty corner. 384 00:18:59,671 --> 00:19:01,440 So it was a lot of fun to see. 385 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,443 We got to see some great cars or Ferraris. 386 00:19:04,443 --> 00:19:05,944 Yeah, you know, at the end of the day and again, 387 00:19:05,944 --> 00:19:07,412 you know, on our previous story, 388 00:19:07,412 --> 00:19:09,815 if someone wants to give me one of those, I promise I won't complain. 389 00:19:09,815 --> 00:19:13,152 So just just send them to my field box. But 390 00:19:14,153 --> 00:19:16,989 you better have a big Po box. 391 00:19:16,989 --> 00:19:17,856 Make it work, believe me. 392 00:19:17,856 --> 00:19:20,859 Don't worry about I'll make it work anyway. 393 00:19:21,226 --> 00:19:23,762 No, but it just was one of those type of things. 394 00:19:23,762 --> 00:19:25,831 So, Gretchen, what were your thoughts on it? 395 00:19:25,831 --> 00:19:28,800 Oh, well, one of the things that caught my attention is 396 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:32,938 was really exciting to see the SR 71 in person. 397 00:19:33,038 --> 00:19:33,438 Yeah. 398 00:19:33,438 --> 00:19:37,643 And it was like, wow, it was just really cool. 399 00:19:37,676 --> 00:19:40,812 And, you know, those are 400 00:19:40,812 --> 00:19:44,283 those are unique planes from the Cold War era. 401 00:19:44,316 --> 00:19:49,955 And each plane was unique and different from each other. 402 00:19:49,955 --> 00:19:53,792 And they they kept the same pilot 403 00:19:53,792 --> 00:19:57,629 because the plane would develop almost a personality. 404 00:19:57,696 --> 00:20:01,333 And the machines apparently would 405 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,002 they would drip when they were on the ground, 406 00:20:04,002 --> 00:20:07,839 but the minute they took off and were flying, all of the Seals 407 00:20:07,839 --> 00:20:11,743 would seal up because of what the plane was actually doing. 408 00:20:11,877 --> 00:20:15,614 And it was just a really it was a really neat thing to see. 409 00:20:15,614 --> 00:20:19,184 And of course, there were other planes and helicopters 410 00:20:19,184 --> 00:20:24,623 and all kinds of rockets, wasn't there with like a word of a rocket? 411 00:20:24,656 --> 00:20:25,591 Yeah. 412 00:20:25,591 --> 00:20:28,594 No. Was it part of a booster or was it a missile? 413 00:20:29,394 --> 00:20:31,029 You know, that's something left to be debated. 414 00:20:31,029 --> 00:20:32,664 I tried to get the information on it. 415 00:20:32,664 --> 00:20:35,667 I think it's probably a missile. Okay. 416 00:20:35,734 --> 00:20:40,572 Being that it is not NASA and is Air Force, but, 417 00:20:41,139 --> 00:20:44,243 you know, there are similarities and things like that. 418 00:20:44,243 --> 00:20:46,144 The one thing is it was very long. 419 00:20:46,144 --> 00:20:46,745 I mean, 420 00:20:46,745 --> 00:20:47,779 you get the idea 421 00:20:47,779 --> 00:20:51,116 of the size of these things when you're up close to them is quite amazing. 422 00:20:51,617 --> 00:20:52,618 It really is. 423 00:20:52,618 --> 00:20:55,220 And same thing on the planes now, the only bad side to it. 424 00:20:55,220 --> 00:20:56,922 And next year maybe this could be an improvement 425 00:20:56,922 --> 00:20:59,891 is they wouldn't let me take the planes out and try them. 426 00:20:59,958 --> 00:21:01,960 But yeah. What 427 00:21:03,562 --> 00:21:06,231 you know, I mean, I got to say, 428 00:21:06,231 --> 00:21:08,800 well, don't you want to fly a jetpack instead? 429 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:10,702 Well, yeah, I was that's where I was going with that. 430 00:21:10,702 --> 00:21:11,069 Of course. 431 00:21:11,069 --> 00:21:15,040 You know, that's the apex of flight, sort of having your own wings. 432 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:19,211 But one thing I did notice is you cannot be 433 00:21:19,211 --> 00:21:22,214 claustrophobic and fly these planes. 434 00:21:22,581 --> 00:21:24,783 You look at the cockpit on them and you get into that, 435 00:21:24,783 --> 00:21:26,618 and there's not a lot of room to move around. 436 00:21:26,618 --> 00:21:29,821 There's room for you, and everything else is instruments and you're strapped in, 437 00:21:29,821 --> 00:21:33,492 and that's basically the way that you have to be. 438 00:21:33,692 --> 00:21:37,596 Yeah, they allowed people to go up on ladders and look into 439 00:21:37,596 --> 00:21:40,599 the cockpits of the various planes, and that was really cool. 440 00:21:40,932 --> 00:21:43,735 Yeah, that was nice. 441 00:21:43,735 --> 00:21:46,838 I don't I don't remember them allowing that before. 442 00:21:46,872 --> 00:21:47,539 Do you. 443 00:21:47,539 --> 00:21:50,075 I think that was a special thing for the event. 444 00:21:50,075 --> 00:21:50,909 Oh, okay. 445 00:21:50,909 --> 00:21:54,680 The afterburner event is specifically is a fundraiser for the museum 446 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:56,281 and one that's well thought out. 447 00:21:56,281 --> 00:21:59,584 You get in and it's kind of done as a very high end presentation. 448 00:21:59,584 --> 00:22:00,819 They had shrimp. 449 00:22:00,819 --> 00:22:04,122 They had wasters, which I haven't had a chuck in for a long time. 450 00:22:04,122 --> 00:22:06,892 That was a lot of fun. Gretchen wouldn't do it, but. 451 00:22:07,893 --> 00:22:08,226 Yeah. 452 00:22:08,226 --> 00:22:09,361 Yeah. 453 00:22:09,361 --> 00:22:10,662 No, thanks. 454 00:22:10,662 --> 00:22:12,731 Got to meet people and all that kind of stuff. 455 00:22:12,731 --> 00:22:14,833 And it was just something that was really cool. 456 00:22:14,833 --> 00:22:16,401 I don't know, 457 00:22:16,401 --> 00:22:18,470 we'll have to go back and check it out, but I don't think it's normal 458 00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:22,074 that you would be able to get up and look into them at that nature. 459 00:22:22,174 --> 00:22:24,076 And the other reason I think that too, is because each one 460 00:22:24,076 --> 00:22:27,546 that was open had a person from the museum monitoring things, 461 00:22:28,013 --> 00:22:31,917 and it seems like a little bit difficult to staff just during normal museum hours. 462 00:22:31,917 --> 00:22:33,418 But it was cool to be able to see this. 463 00:22:33,418 --> 00:22:37,055 And if you get to McMinnville, this is definitely a stop you should make. 464 00:22:37,122 --> 00:22:39,191 It's Evergreen Air and Space Museum. 465 00:22:39,191 --> 00:22:41,960 They've got a theater which we're going to check out next. 466 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:43,562 Haven't actually gone to that. 467 00:22:43,562 --> 00:22:45,063 And then they've got of course 468 00:22:45,063 --> 00:22:49,334 all the planes, the Spruce Goose, which just in of itself is worth a stop. 469 00:22:49,334 --> 00:22:51,002 That thing is huge. 470 00:22:51,002 --> 00:22:53,972 And if you bring your kids along and they get bored, 471 00:22:54,039 --> 00:22:56,875 you can dump them off at the the swim park. 472 00:22:56,875 --> 00:22:57,976 Yeah, that's the other thing. 473 00:22:57,976 --> 00:23:00,412 Yeah. Wings and something. 474 00:23:00,412 --> 00:23:02,614 Anyway, they have a swim park where you actually 475 00:23:02,614 --> 00:23:06,418 climb up into a Boeing jet and the slides come out of the jet, 476 00:23:06,451 --> 00:23:09,388 which looks like it's really kind of cool to be able to do that. 477 00:23:09,388 --> 00:23:12,324 And yeah, just a lot of good fun. 478 00:23:12,324 --> 00:23:14,393 And it's not really expensive to go to it either. 479 00:23:14,393 --> 00:23:15,293 Just one of those things. 480 00:23:15,293 --> 00:23:17,229 It's certainly worth the stop. 481 00:23:17,229 --> 00:23:19,064 They've got a little snack bar inside. 482 00:23:19,064 --> 00:23:20,332 You certainly have a gift shop. 483 00:23:20,332 --> 00:23:22,067 Of course, there wouldn't be a museum without that. 484 00:23:22,067 --> 00:23:25,170 You have to have a gift shop that's required, I think. And 485 00:23:26,438 --> 00:23:28,440 but yeah, just again, a lot of fun. 486 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,443 So Evergreen Air and Space Museum, check it out 487 00:23:31,476 --> 00:23:33,478 online to see the different exhibits that they have. 488 00:23:33,478 --> 00:23:37,349 And again we recommend checking it out if you get out there. 489 00:23:37,349 --> 00:23:40,018 Definitely worth the worth. 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Do you recommend them? 520 00:25:07,038 --> 00:25:09,441 Yeah. Well, what do you think? 521 00:25:09,441 --> 00:25:12,377 Yeah. 522 00:25:12,377 --> 00:25:15,313 So and on that topic today we're going to be talking a little bit 523 00:25:15,313 --> 00:25:19,217 about the current state of things with programmers. 524 00:25:19,217 --> 00:25:20,785 And if we have time authors. 525 00:25:20,785 --> 00:25:24,990 These are two professions that have seen a lot of change in recent years. 526 00:25:24,990 --> 00:25:27,492 And let's go ahead and start with programmers. 527 00:25:27,492 --> 00:25:30,262 And it's one of the biggest questions in technology right now. 528 00:25:30,262 --> 00:25:34,399 It isn't artificial intelligence, quantum computing, or even the next smartphone. 529 00:25:34,633 --> 00:25:36,201 It's what happens to programmers. 530 00:25:36,201 --> 00:25:38,737 We've been hearing about a lot of layoffs and those type of things. 531 00:25:38,737 --> 00:25:41,373 And for decades, software development was viewed 532 00:25:41,373 --> 00:25:44,376 as one of the safest and most lucrative careers available. 533 00:25:44,509 --> 00:25:47,345 Companies couldn't hire programmers fast enough. 534 00:25:47,345 --> 00:25:49,147 Coding Boot camp sprang up everywhere. 535 00:25:49,147 --> 00:25:51,683 Parents encourage their children to learn programing, 536 00:25:51,683 --> 00:25:54,920 and the phrase learn to code became almost a cultural movement. 537 00:25:54,953 --> 00:25:58,757 But fast forward today, and the headlines tell a little bit of a different story 538 00:25:58,757 --> 00:25:59,991 about this. 539 00:25:59,991 --> 00:26:03,495 We've seen hundreds of thousands of tech workers laid off over the past few years. 540 00:26:03,562 --> 00:26:06,197 Artificial intelligence can now generate code. 541 00:26:06,197 --> 00:26:09,334 Hiring has slowed dramatically compared to the pandemic boom. 542 00:26:09,401 --> 00:26:11,636 And as many developers are asking the question 543 00:26:11,636 --> 00:26:15,907 they never thought they'd have to ask is software engineering still a good career? 544 00:26:16,641 --> 00:26:19,945 So this is something I do from time to time. 545 00:26:19,978 --> 00:26:21,413 Like, you know, my normal job. 546 00:26:21,413 --> 00:26:25,817 And I am definitely seeing a lot of changes. 547 00:26:26,318 --> 00:26:27,619 Is it still a good career? 548 00:26:27,619 --> 00:26:30,188 I would say yes, but it's very different. 549 00:26:30,188 --> 00:26:33,592 And this is one of the things that going into certain careers, 550 00:26:33,625 --> 00:26:35,160 you're going to have to be able to do. 551 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,496 I know Jeremy used to be unhappy with that, that he was trained 552 00:26:38,496 --> 00:26:42,400 to be a graphic artist, and when he started out his career with that, 553 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,971 he did, you know, lay out in his own and all that kind of stuff. 554 00:26:45,971 --> 00:26:47,072 And it later morphed into 555 00:26:47,072 --> 00:26:49,240 you had to be able to develop websites and different things 556 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:53,411 like that to be able to interact with what was needed at that time. 557 00:26:53,411 --> 00:26:57,549 And Gretchen, I know that he didn't care for that much. No. 558 00:26:57,549 --> 00:27:01,987 And the thing was, is I, I trained myself how to do websites, 559 00:27:02,187 --> 00:27:04,389 but I didn't do the graphic design. 560 00:27:04,389 --> 00:27:07,626 And then afterwards they started combining. 561 00:27:07,892 --> 00:27:11,796 Yeah, all of the careers and then they started adding in the programing. 562 00:27:11,796 --> 00:27:15,734 So I wasn't a graphic designer, I wasn't a programmer. 563 00:27:15,734 --> 00:27:19,270 So I was basically I was out of luck. 564 00:27:19,304 --> 00:27:19,471 Yeah. 565 00:27:19,471 --> 00:27:22,974 It was skills became Jeremy had the same situation. 566 00:27:22,974 --> 00:27:24,275 And I think that's one thing. 567 00:27:24,275 --> 00:27:28,146 And not just based in information technology and developers, 568 00:27:28,146 --> 00:27:33,151 but most occupations, you have to be open to the idea that it's going to change, 569 00:27:33,718 --> 00:27:37,155 because AI and computers and everything else 570 00:27:37,155 --> 00:27:40,258 are not limited to some specific vertical. 571 00:27:40,492 --> 00:27:41,693 Whatever you do in life, you're 572 00:27:41,693 --> 00:27:44,396 probably going to be interacting with them in some way. 573 00:27:44,396 --> 00:27:48,333 And to that end, that is where they say 574 00:27:48,333 --> 00:27:52,103 this is a very different career now than it was even five years ago. 575 00:27:52,103 --> 00:27:54,072 Now, before I dive into the article, I'm going to talk 576 00:27:54,072 --> 00:27:58,977 about my own experience in this because it's an area that I've had some. 577 00:27:58,977 --> 00:28:01,980 I have worked on both sides of the table where I've been hired 578 00:28:01,980 --> 00:28:03,548 for technical positions. 579 00:28:03,548 --> 00:28:05,116 I have worked on the other side of the table 580 00:28:05,116 --> 00:28:09,821 where I'm hiring people as developers, and I'm a developer myself. 581 00:28:09,821 --> 00:28:13,591 So first question is, has AI changed what I do? 582 00:28:13,625 --> 00:28:14,459 Yes, dramatically. 583 00:28:14,459 --> 00:28:16,061 Is it going to eliminate my job? 584 00:28:16,061 --> 00:28:17,462 No it's not. 585 00:28:17,462 --> 00:28:21,332 But what I'm finding is two things that are happening here. 586 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:22,934 And one of them good. 587 00:28:22,934 --> 00:28:25,003 One of them in my opinion, not so good. 588 00:28:25,003 --> 00:28:27,872 My efficiency is a lot higher than it used to be. 589 00:28:27,872 --> 00:28:32,477 And the hardness of the code I write, because you can run it through 590 00:28:32,711 --> 00:28:36,881 AI that's designed for that, and it will pick out any security bugs, 591 00:28:37,115 --> 00:28:39,918 it will pick out different flaws and it will streamline the code. 592 00:28:39,918 --> 00:28:42,520 And that's great. I still have to know how to write it. 593 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,291 And that's one thing that comes up as a question can AI produce end to end 594 00:28:46,357 --> 00:28:47,759 software project? No. 595 00:28:47,759 --> 00:28:52,030 And if you don't know the code that it creates or how it's created 596 00:28:52,030 --> 00:28:55,500 or what the language is, that type of a thing, you're going to have problems. 597 00:28:55,500 --> 00:28:59,471 In fact, we talked about this not on the air, but previously 598 00:28:59,471 --> 00:29:01,172 just between the three of us 599 00:29:01,172 --> 00:29:04,642 about a real world situation that I saw with this, that we had a developer 600 00:29:04,743 --> 00:29:07,746 with a company that I work with that turned in some code, 601 00:29:07,746 --> 00:29:10,315 and I'm a project manager in this particular situation. 602 00:29:10,315 --> 00:29:13,985 So it's my job to look at the code, assign the different things out, 603 00:29:13,985 --> 00:29:18,156 and then check it into the master code base for approving it. 604 00:29:18,156 --> 00:29:21,059 And I got code back that looked really good. 605 00:29:21,059 --> 00:29:22,560 I mean, it was very strong. 606 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:23,995 And this is an intern that wrote it. 607 00:29:23,995 --> 00:29:25,530 So it's like, okay, this is great. 608 00:29:25,530 --> 00:29:29,334 And I needed him to change a few things in that 609 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:34,572 that were very entry level, I guess would be the best way to put it. 610 00:29:34,639 --> 00:29:36,541 Namely, the name of the page that was coming up 611 00:29:36,541 --> 00:29:40,211 and a few other dialog texts and figured out he had no idea how to do it. 612 00:29:40,211 --> 00:29:43,114 The whole thing he had generated through AI. 613 00:29:43,114 --> 00:29:46,217 Oh yeah, and that's a problem, 614 00:29:46,217 --> 00:29:52,090 because we're not hiring people to be able to work with AI specifically. 615 00:29:52,090 --> 00:29:55,093 It is definitely necessary to be able to do that now, 616 00:29:55,093 --> 00:29:58,296 but just writing a prompt and getting it to spit out 617 00:29:58,296 --> 00:30:01,733 code is not being a developer, and it really isn't. 618 00:30:02,100 --> 00:30:04,803 We had problems with this particular 619 00:30:04,803 --> 00:30:08,173 topic before, in a different variation 620 00:30:08,173 --> 00:30:13,945 where somebody would claim to be a programmer, get somebody in India 621 00:30:13,945 --> 00:30:17,582 to do all of the work, send the code to this person, 622 00:30:17,582 --> 00:30:22,187 and then this person presented it to us as his work. 623 00:30:22,187 --> 00:30:26,558 So this isn't the first time we've seen this kind of behavior. 624 00:30:26,591 --> 00:30:30,361 Know the psychology of it is identical between those two things. 625 00:30:30,361 --> 00:30:33,665 And when we found that out is he would be able to make the corrections 626 00:30:33,832 --> 00:30:37,702 that we had asked for, but it would take like 2 or 3 days to turn around again. 627 00:30:37,702 --> 00:30:38,403 I'm a developer. 628 00:30:38,403 --> 00:30:41,706 I know that if I was to go in and do that myself, it would be a lot less time. 629 00:30:41,739 --> 00:30:45,577 I mean, it depends on what it is you're doing, obviously, but not 2 to 3 days. 630 00:30:45,577 --> 00:30:46,778 Well, what it turned out to be is 631 00:30:46,778 --> 00:30:50,682 that was the time that it got taken to send the request back to, 632 00:30:50,715 --> 00:30:52,016 I believe it was in the 633 00:30:52,016 --> 00:30:54,319 in this case where the programing team that he had hired 634 00:30:54,319 --> 00:30:57,021 without telling us was working on and then sent back. 635 00:30:57,021 --> 00:31:00,091 And then the other problem I had with that one was is a lot of the code 636 00:31:00,091 --> 00:31:03,094 that was sent back, I later found out was plagiarized. 637 00:31:03,194 --> 00:31:03,661 Yeah. 638 00:31:03,661 --> 00:31:08,199 You don't have that so much with AI because it is custom made. 639 00:31:08,199 --> 00:31:13,972 But still, at the end of the day, if you're not able to interact in a 640 00:31:13,972 --> 00:31:15,440 right way with it in a meaningful way, 641 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,443 which means you still need to know the language you're developing in, 642 00:31:18,509 --> 00:31:21,346 you still need to know what it's presenting to you, 643 00:31:21,346 --> 00:31:23,815 and you have to know how to integrate it into the whole. 644 00:31:23,815 --> 00:31:26,751 And that still requires the skills of being a developer. 645 00:31:26,751 --> 00:31:28,987 Now, being a programmer today is very different. 646 00:31:28,987 --> 00:31:31,823 Like we were saying in the beginning of this, and it used to be. 647 00:31:31,823 --> 00:31:34,792 So let's look back at this a little bit and talk 648 00:31:34,792 --> 00:31:37,028 about kind of the evolution of this. 649 00:31:37,028 --> 00:31:43,067 Back when microcomputers started, you did not have an ecosystem like we have now. 650 00:31:43,067 --> 00:31:46,104 So you get your Commodore 64, Atari PC 651 00:31:46,104 --> 00:31:49,307 junior, whatever from the early 80s, and you want to learn the program. 652 00:31:49,340 --> 00:31:50,241 Okay. 653 00:31:50,241 --> 00:31:54,512 Probably going to be programing in Basic now was most common language at the time. 654 00:31:54,779 --> 00:31:56,681 And how do you learn to do that? 655 00:31:56,681 --> 00:31:59,050 Well, there's no Stack Exchange. 656 00:31:59,050 --> 00:32:00,618 There's no Reddit. 657 00:32:00,618 --> 00:32:04,355 There's no way to go online and look at other people's codes because read a book. 658 00:32:04,589 --> 00:32:06,758 You had to get a book. Yeah. 659 00:32:06,758 --> 00:32:09,160 So you had to source this book. 660 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,497 If you were in a major area where they had bookstores 661 00:32:12,497 --> 00:32:14,198 and that kind of a thing, you might be able to find it. 662 00:32:14,198 --> 00:32:17,936 But I can remember finding technical books at even like Barnes and Noble 663 00:32:17,936 --> 00:32:19,704 or Borders in those days. 664 00:32:19,704 --> 00:32:23,541 They didn't necessarily stock them, and if they did, it was a very small area 665 00:32:23,841 --> 00:32:29,280 and certainly didn't have stuff on niche skills like a specific language. 666 00:32:29,414 --> 00:32:30,748 They would have had basic, I think. 667 00:32:30,748 --> 00:32:33,818 But say you're programing an assembler, 668 00:32:33,952 --> 00:32:37,355 you know, or machine language assembler for the Commodore 64. 669 00:32:37,388 --> 00:32:40,158 There are books on that, but they wouldn't have been at Barnes and Noble. 670 00:32:40,158 --> 00:32:43,861 So you have to figure out a way to mail order and where there's no website. 671 00:32:43,995 --> 00:32:47,498 So you get something like Computer Shopper or one of the many magazines 672 00:32:47,498 --> 00:32:51,336 that were out during that time period, and find in the back of that an order form 673 00:32:51,336 --> 00:32:55,340 from some company where you send in a check or money order, or call 674 00:32:55,340 --> 00:32:59,210 an 800 number with your credit card to be able to get this material sent over. 675 00:32:59,277 --> 00:33:02,580 That took days. It. Yeah, definitely. What 676 00:33:03,748 --> 00:33:06,918 we used to go to Fry's, remember I remember fries. 677 00:33:06,918 --> 00:33:09,187 Yeah. Yeah I had a selection of these things. 678 00:33:09,187 --> 00:33:11,356 Oh they're gone now but yeah. 679 00:33:11,356 --> 00:33:15,760 And Fry's was actually much, much later than early programing to those resources 680 00:33:16,627 --> 00:33:17,562 in the beginning. 681 00:33:17,562 --> 00:33:21,065 The other thing that was interesting is things like the Commodore Pet 682 00:33:21,065 --> 00:33:23,301 and some of the very first computers that came out like that. 683 00:33:23,301 --> 00:33:26,304 Prior to that, not only did you need to learn the program, 684 00:33:26,437 --> 00:33:28,439 if you bought a computer, they sent you a box of parts 685 00:33:28,439 --> 00:33:30,375 and you were expected to know how to put them together. 686 00:33:30,375 --> 00:33:33,611 And I don't mean plugging boards into an expansion bus, 687 00:33:33,678 --> 00:33:36,748 I mean actually soldering components onto bread boards. 688 00:33:36,881 --> 00:33:38,082 You know, you want a memory card, 689 00:33:38,082 --> 00:33:41,386 you solder those chips down and you figure out how it wires, 690 00:33:41,386 --> 00:33:44,655 and you figure out how the latches work and all that kind of stuff 691 00:33:44,722 --> 00:33:48,026 to figure out how to address the memory properly into whatever the CPU is. 692 00:33:48,026 --> 00:33:50,194 These were all things that you had to know how to do. 693 00:33:50,194 --> 00:33:55,700 And the other thing is, during that era two Commodore 64, why is it called that? 694 00:33:55,700 --> 00:33:58,736 It had 60 4K of memory, not Meg, not gig. 695 00:33:58,736 --> 00:34:00,938 Hey, that's what you had to work with. 696 00:34:00,938 --> 00:34:03,241 And it was less than that because it loaded its operating 697 00:34:03,241 --> 00:34:06,310 system and Basic interpreter into that memory space. 698 00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:08,346 So you were working with about 30 K, 699 00:34:09,547 --> 00:34:11,816 you know, and 700 00:34:11,816 --> 00:34:14,819 it made for a very, very different situation. 701 00:34:15,253 --> 00:34:16,554 Now fast forward a little bit. 702 00:34:16,554 --> 00:34:20,958 You started having bulletin boards and user groups and other things like that. 703 00:34:21,492 --> 00:34:23,161 Internet started coming on the scene. 704 00:34:23,161 --> 00:34:27,432 So keep in mind, the World Wide Web was not a thing until 1991. 705 00:34:27,598 --> 00:34:30,601 So before that the internet existed, but not the web. 706 00:34:30,668 --> 00:34:33,671 There were other things like gopher. 707 00:34:33,971 --> 00:34:36,908 Some of our listeners may remember that, but it wasn't 708 00:34:36,908 --> 00:34:38,676 where you could click on a link and get the information. 709 00:34:38,676 --> 00:34:41,679 And when the web started, it certainly wasn't graphical either. 710 00:34:42,780 --> 00:34:45,083 No. Was text based, text based, you know. 711 00:34:45,083 --> 00:34:45,550 Yeah. 712 00:34:45,550 --> 00:34:49,787 And so you started to be able to get access to some more resources, 713 00:34:49,787 --> 00:34:53,191 but it was still a lot of times dialing a long distance phone number. 714 00:34:53,191 --> 00:34:56,194 Remember, long distance and connecting to a board 715 00:34:56,194 --> 00:34:59,197 somewhere else to be able to get to the information you need it. 716 00:34:59,263 --> 00:35:02,333 More magazines and stuff were available and Megan's would have programs 717 00:35:02,333 --> 00:35:03,534 you could type in. 718 00:35:03,534 --> 00:35:06,170 So you want to play a game, you know, that's where we're all spoiled. 719 00:35:06,170 --> 00:35:10,108 Now we stick in a cartridge or a CD or download it from steam or whatever. 720 00:35:10,241 --> 00:35:12,510 No. In those days you want to play a game, you had to type it in. 721 00:35:12,510 --> 00:35:17,215 It took a couple of hours, and if you made one mistake, they wouldn't run exactly. 722 00:35:17,215 --> 00:35:18,883 And they'd give you line by line. 723 00:35:18,883 --> 00:35:21,185 You know that 0102 724 00:35:21,185 --> 00:35:24,655 you know all those little lines and you type in the stuff and yeah, 725 00:35:24,989 --> 00:35:28,426 well, you know, the other thing you got to figure too is the keyboards. 726 00:35:28,426 --> 00:35:30,461 And those errors weren't very much fun to type on. 727 00:35:30,461 --> 00:35:33,798 There were some good ones, but a lot of them were very squishy. 728 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,270 So, Bill, I know you said your first computer was a Vic 20. 729 00:35:39,537 --> 00:35:42,840 Yeah, but can you imagine compared to today 730 00:35:42,907 --> 00:35:45,943 if you tried to use that, like for not for nostalgia, 731 00:35:45,977 --> 00:35:48,412 but you wanted to write a paper on it or write software? 732 00:35:48,412 --> 00:35:50,381 How frustrating that would be. 733 00:35:50,381 --> 00:35:52,783 Yeah, it would be very frustrating. 734 00:35:52,783 --> 00:35:55,153 Never remember just messing around. 735 00:35:55,153 --> 00:35:58,156 And of course, I coded a couple of games that I put on set 736 00:35:58,156 --> 00:36:01,592 and I just know what it was. 737 00:36:01,592 --> 00:36:04,595 It was a very clunky machine, to be 738 00:36:04,595 --> 00:36:08,232 honest, compared to what we have now compared to what we have now. 739 00:36:08,232 --> 00:36:11,235 The Vic 20 was a very entry level Commodore to it, only, 740 00:36:11,335 --> 00:36:12,904 I don't know, it was a 4K of memory. 741 00:36:12,904 --> 00:36:15,840 It was not a lot. No, it wasn't much. 742 00:36:16,974 --> 00:36:18,643 Well, in computers really 743 00:36:18,643 --> 00:36:22,580 have changed how we write books and stories. 744 00:36:22,780 --> 00:36:23,014 Yeah. 745 00:36:23,014 --> 00:36:24,382 I mean, before 746 00:36:24,382 --> 00:36:28,519 when I was in middle school writing stories, I did it on a typewriter. 747 00:36:29,020 --> 00:36:32,623 And so when something got screwed up, it was there. 748 00:36:32,623 --> 00:36:38,229 And you would have to retype all of the pages because the, the, 749 00:36:38,462 --> 00:36:41,465 the orientation, like if you added dialog, 750 00:36:41,866 --> 00:36:44,735 you'd have to retype the entire thing. 751 00:36:44,735 --> 00:36:47,838 So corrections was not an easy thing. 752 00:36:47,838 --> 00:36:49,941 It was a difficult thing, you know. 753 00:36:49,941 --> 00:36:51,943 And you talked about offering Bill. 754 00:36:51,943 --> 00:36:53,377 Go ahead. 755 00:36:53,377 --> 00:36:56,347 No, I just remembered having to use a typewriter for different things 756 00:36:56,347 --> 00:37:01,185 and just how much white out and all that out I thought was fun. No. 757 00:37:01,185 --> 00:37:03,354 But the 758 00:37:03,354 --> 00:37:05,990 I started in middle school with that on an IBM Selectric two. 759 00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:10,294 I'll always remember the selector two and like you say, typewriter 760 00:37:10,294 --> 00:37:11,162 and that type of a thing. 761 00:37:11,162 --> 00:37:13,931 And they actually use these for TT terminals 762 00:37:13,931 --> 00:37:17,602 to where you would type in code that way, literally on a typewriter. 763 00:37:17,935 --> 00:37:21,239 So it was, you know, definitely one of those type of things 764 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:25,843 that was very different from what we from what we do today. 765 00:37:25,843 --> 00:37:28,512 And now, you know, Gretchen, you talk about authoring 766 00:37:28,512 --> 00:37:32,550 like research papers, which is an area that I work in sometimes, 767 00:37:32,717 --> 00:37:33,985 you know, back in those days. 768 00:37:33,985 --> 00:37:37,255 Not only did you have the very early computer or typewriter, 769 00:37:37,255 --> 00:37:38,856 hopefully you had a computer because at least you would 770 00:37:38,856 --> 00:37:43,261 have had some kind of word processor, probably to be able to do your paper, 771 00:37:43,261 --> 00:37:46,897 but you would have to go out and do research again, no internet, no AI. 772 00:37:47,198 --> 00:37:49,533 You're going to encyclopedias, you're going to libraries. 773 00:37:49,533 --> 00:37:50,635 If you need a special book, 774 00:37:50,635 --> 00:37:53,838 it might have to be physically shipped to that library from somewhere else. 775 00:37:54,872 --> 00:37:56,974 These were the kind of things you do it now. 776 00:37:56,974 --> 00:38:00,311 Now, to write that research paper, you just ask ChatGPT and take some time, 777 00:38:00,344 --> 00:38:02,113 hopefully to make sure it didn't hallucinate anything. 778 00:38:02,113 --> 00:38:04,715 And there you go. I'm not recommending that, by the way. 779 00:38:04,715 --> 00:38:07,652 You don't learn from it. That is what a lot of people are doing. 780 00:38:07,652 --> 00:38:13,224 I used to like to wander through you go through the card catalog, 781 00:38:13,391 --> 00:38:15,960 you find a book that sounds like it's 782 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,797 what you need, and then you go wandering into the stacks. 783 00:38:19,797 --> 00:38:23,034 And sometimes you would find better things by just 784 00:38:23,034 --> 00:38:26,037 looking at the books sitting on the shelves. 785 00:38:26,370 --> 00:38:27,872 You know, the stacks. 786 00:38:27,872 --> 00:38:28,105 Yeah. 787 00:38:28,105 --> 00:38:28,706 I just 788 00:38:28,706 --> 00:38:32,243 there was a part of that that I do agree with was actually kind of fun to do. 789 00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:33,277 See what you could find. 790 00:38:33,277 --> 00:38:37,315 And you know, now that doing that is so considered, so obsolete. 791 00:38:37,315 --> 00:38:38,582 I mean, there's still libraries, of course, 792 00:38:38,582 --> 00:38:42,386 but I know one of the high schools we work with here in Stem 793 00:38:43,054 --> 00:38:45,823 moved from an old location to their current new building, 794 00:38:45,823 --> 00:38:47,658 which is like a state of the art campus. 795 00:38:47,658 --> 00:38:48,559 It's better 796 00:38:48,559 --> 00:38:51,562 than some state of the art business, as I've worked with over the years, 797 00:38:51,595 --> 00:38:54,999 and the students there are very lucky to have the resources they have. 798 00:38:55,032 --> 00:38:57,868 But they were telling me when they moved the library, 799 00:38:57,868 --> 00:39:01,372 they ended up divesting about two thirds of the 800 00:39:01,639 --> 00:39:05,509 contents of it, of the collection, just because it wasn't used anymore. 801 00:39:06,110 --> 00:39:10,514 And I'm seeing that libraries like your main libraries, you can go in 802 00:39:10,514 --> 00:39:13,718 and you can still check out a book, or you can check out a popcorn maker 803 00:39:13,718 --> 00:39:17,621 in some cases or whatever, to try to maintain relevancy, you know? 804 00:39:17,655 --> 00:39:19,590 And I think that's kind of cool in some ways, 805 00:39:19,590 --> 00:39:22,093 but it's got to be a lot more expensive to maintain equipment 806 00:39:22,093 --> 00:39:25,463 and all the rest of it and just deal with books and periodicals. 807 00:39:25,463 --> 00:39:28,899 You would find some really weird and cool stuff. 808 00:39:28,899 --> 00:39:33,437 You and R, which is the school that I went to, 809 00:39:34,438 --> 00:39:35,339 had an 810 00:39:35,339 --> 00:39:39,243 amazing library at the Getchell Getchell Library. 811 00:39:39,243 --> 00:39:43,614 And it was you just wandered around through the stacks 812 00:39:43,781 --> 00:39:47,852 and you could just find really bizarre and cool things. 813 00:39:47,985 --> 00:39:51,589 Some of the books in there were like from the 1800s. 814 00:39:51,622 --> 00:39:52,323 Yeah. 815 00:39:52,323 --> 00:39:56,460 You know, and now, last I heard, they had some kind of 816 00:39:56,494 --> 00:40:00,464 weird machine grabbing the books for you. 817 00:40:00,598 --> 00:40:01,432 Well, that's no fun. 818 00:40:01,432 --> 00:40:04,068 You're not going to find anything there, correct? 819 00:40:04,068 --> 00:40:07,071 Anybody that knows, but I understand they've kind of 820 00:40:07,104 --> 00:40:09,340 put it back to the old way, but anyway. Go ahead. 821 00:40:09,340 --> 00:40:10,141 Did they? 822 00:40:10,141 --> 00:40:14,578 Well, they had the stacks and then they had the archive, which was the machine. 823 00:40:15,613 --> 00:40:19,350 And then they had special collections, which was anything over 824 00:40:19,350 --> 00:40:21,819 certain age rarity. 825 00:40:21,819 --> 00:40:23,621 Yeah, yeah. 826 00:40:23,621 --> 00:40:26,791 And, you know, so I think one thing, one of the big questions 827 00:40:26,791 --> 00:40:30,060 we get on this is AI taking programmers jobs. And 828 00:40:31,162 --> 00:40:32,897 this is definitely a concern. 829 00:40:32,897 --> 00:40:36,000 Even somebody was trying to explain this as living in the matrix. 830 00:40:36,267 --> 00:40:38,702 And it's changing things. 831 00:40:38,702 --> 00:40:41,071 Is it taking over jobs? Not exactly. 832 00:40:41,071 --> 00:40:43,307 But you have your tools out there that people use. 833 00:40:43,307 --> 00:40:48,579 ChatGPT GitHub Copilot Claude Gemini, others that can generate codes in seconds. 834 00:40:48,579 --> 00:40:49,580 And it does. 835 00:40:49,580 --> 00:40:53,217 They can write functions, they can explain bugs, they can create documentation. 836 00:40:53,217 --> 00:40:56,987 They can even build some small applications, stuff that ten years ago 837 00:40:57,021 --> 00:40:58,322 would have been science fiction. 838 00:40:58,322 --> 00:40:59,490 In my case, they can do 839 00:40:59,490 --> 00:41:03,561 layout and design that I'm not good at and make it look really first rate. 840 00:41:03,594 --> 00:41:05,196 You know, that kind of a thing. 841 00:41:05,196 --> 00:41:06,597 Ten years ago science fiction. 842 00:41:06,597 --> 00:41:08,199 Today it's Tuesday. 843 00:41:08,199 --> 00:41:10,601 You know, we're looking at it from here. 844 00:41:10,601 --> 00:41:14,338 But one of the things to keep in mind with this is devices 845 00:41:14,338 --> 00:41:18,642 like that, services like that don't replace the underlying skill. 846 00:41:18,642 --> 00:41:20,377 Calculators didn't eliminate accounting. 847 00:41:20,377 --> 00:41:22,313 They just eliminated manual arithmetic. 848 00:41:22,313 --> 00:41:24,181 That's one example. 849 00:41:24,181 --> 00:41:27,318 And I remember when computers were coming into the mainstream, 850 00:41:27,318 --> 00:41:28,919 I worked for a bank at the time, 851 00:41:28,919 --> 00:41:32,256 and they were switching over from the ledgers and stuff. 852 00:41:32,256 --> 00:41:36,160 I'm dating myself a little bit here into using windows 95 computers, 853 00:41:36,460 --> 00:41:39,363 and it was the same type of thing at that area. 854 00:41:39,363 --> 00:41:42,066 Oh, these computers are going to eliminate everybody's jobs. They changed it. 855 00:41:42,066 --> 00:41:43,934 You had to know how to work it, for one thing. 856 00:41:43,934 --> 00:41:47,271 And if you were working for a good employer, they trained you on that. 857 00:41:47,271 --> 00:41:52,476 But you know, for some people they just it wasn't a change that was valid to them. 858 00:41:52,476 --> 00:41:56,313 I have a story from those days that I just started working for this bank 859 00:41:56,347 --> 00:42:00,150 as a developer programmer and running 860 00:42:00,150 --> 00:42:03,787 the states IT department, you know, land and all that kind of stuff. 861 00:42:03,787 --> 00:42:06,357 And I it just converted the department over. 862 00:42:06,357 --> 00:42:08,192 It was the compliance department. 863 00:42:08,192 --> 00:42:11,996 And the next day I get this panicked phone call from this dearest 864 00:42:11,996 --> 00:42:13,631 lady, elderly lady that worked. 865 00:42:13,631 --> 00:42:16,233 I remember this story. Can you? 866 00:42:16,233 --> 00:42:17,234 And she's like, freaking out. 867 00:42:17,234 --> 00:42:18,936 Can you get over here before the police come? 868 00:42:18,936 --> 00:42:22,506 Before I just and I'm like, well, it was next building, fortunately. 869 00:42:22,506 --> 00:42:23,741 Over. Well, sure. I'm on my way. 870 00:42:23,741 --> 00:42:25,976 The police, you know, that type of a thing. 871 00:42:25,976 --> 00:42:30,281 And I go over and get her calmed down and look at the screen. 872 00:42:30,281 --> 00:42:31,415 Your computer has performed 873 00:42:31,415 --> 00:42:34,652 an illegal operation in the application will be terminated. 874 00:42:34,785 --> 00:42:35,152 Yeah. 875 00:42:35,152 --> 00:42:38,422 And you have to understand that 876 00:42:38,522 --> 00:42:41,625 banking prior to all of this, like, 877 00:42:41,659 --> 00:42:44,962 you know, 7060s, 40s 50s, you know, 878 00:42:44,995 --> 00:42:50,634 they had some very strict rules about how you interacted 879 00:42:50,634 --> 00:42:54,438 with banking documents, how you interacted with the money, 880 00:42:54,438 --> 00:42:59,810 and if you did the wrong thing, you you could be in serious trouble. 881 00:42:59,877 --> 00:43:01,111 This is where she was coming from. 882 00:43:01,111 --> 00:43:05,549 I mean, she she was scared and I and I actually sat down and talked to her and, 883 00:43:05,583 --> 00:43:09,420 you know, tried to explain the what it was doing and it wasn't her. 884 00:43:09,420 --> 00:43:12,389 And that was just the terminology the computer used. 885 00:43:12,389 --> 00:43:14,658 But it was still definitely something. 886 00:43:14,658 --> 00:43:19,029 And she retired a week later and fortunately was able to do that. 887 00:43:19,029 --> 00:43:21,031 It was a neat person, but she wasn't. 888 00:43:21,031 --> 00:43:21,899 She wasn't an agent. 889 00:43:21,899 --> 00:43:24,835 She wasn't going to learn a whole new methodology for these things. 890 00:43:24,835 --> 00:43:27,671 And, you know, that kind of thing has happened. 891 00:43:27,671 --> 00:43:29,139 The other thing that I said in the beginning 892 00:43:29,139 --> 00:43:33,577 of the segment, that it's got a downside, and I'm finding myself doing this. 893 00:43:33,611 --> 00:43:37,314 It makes you a little bit lazy AI when it comes to coding. 894 00:43:37,781 --> 00:43:40,784 And I have to be careful of that because it's 895 00:43:40,818 --> 00:43:43,387 what are we really generating code is easy. 896 00:43:43,387 --> 00:43:44,321 However, generating 897 00:43:44,321 --> 00:43:48,258 correct code that works securely at scale inside a complex business environment 898 00:43:48,292 --> 00:43:49,259 not so easy. 899 00:43:49,259 --> 00:43:52,096 You still need, you know, a human for that. 900 00:43:52,096 --> 00:43:55,265 Determining whether the thousands of lines of code that are created by 901 00:43:55,299 --> 00:43:59,303 AI should be used in the first place, or whether it's the most efficient way 902 00:43:59,303 --> 00:44:02,873 to deal with it, you still need engineers, you still need inspectors, 903 00:44:02,873 --> 00:44:06,076 and you still need people to understand how the pieces fit together. 904 00:44:06,677 --> 00:44:07,945 What have I found from it? 905 00:44:07,945 --> 00:44:11,882 Again, I can do certain tasks like layout and design 906 00:44:11,882 --> 00:44:14,918 that I'm not good at, that I have to do so. 907 00:44:14,918 --> 00:44:17,187 It's not taking someone's job because it just wouldn't be done 908 00:44:17,187 --> 00:44:18,656 right in a lot of these situations. 909 00:44:18,656 --> 00:44:21,659 If it wasn't for this and making it look really good, 910 00:44:21,759 --> 00:44:25,229 could ChatGPT sit there and write the application for me? 911 00:44:25,229 --> 00:44:28,399 No, and I don't know that that's coming. 912 00:44:28,399 --> 00:44:31,669 I think, again, where the downside of this is, 913 00:44:31,702 --> 00:44:35,239 is because some of that is possible, at least at a theoretical standpoint. 914 00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,242 You have businesses that are laying off people, 915 00:44:38,242 --> 00:44:41,311 and we're going to have AI take over for these things and then hiring them back 916 00:44:41,311 --> 00:44:44,314 six months later because they figured out that's not the case. 917 00:44:44,314 --> 00:44:46,383 And when that happens, those people ask for more money 918 00:44:46,383 --> 00:44:49,420 and they should because of what they've been put through with that kind 919 00:44:49,420 --> 00:44:50,454 of a thing. 920 00:44:50,454 --> 00:44:53,824 The other part of it, too, is the whole hallucination thing. 921 00:44:54,024 --> 00:44:56,827 So you have a company that has an AI write their code, 922 00:44:56,827 --> 00:44:58,095 and this is just one example. 923 00:44:58,095 --> 00:45:00,831 The legal profession has this with briefs. 924 00:45:00,831 --> 00:45:04,902 The writers have this with books where when the AI hallucinates 925 00:45:04,902 --> 00:45:07,571 and they just publish whatever it's put out 926 00:45:07,571 --> 00:45:10,674 and the information is made up or it's wrong, 927 00:45:10,774 --> 00:45:12,976 you know, straight out or that kind of a thing. 928 00:45:12,976 --> 00:45:16,080 And at the end of the day, 929 00:45:16,313 --> 00:45:19,450 it just is a situation where 930 00:45:19,783 --> 00:45:23,587 this can cause bad things to happen because it isn't complete anymore. 931 00:45:24,121 --> 00:45:24,955 Yeah. 932 00:45:24,955 --> 00:45:28,692 But I think one of the points is that 933 00:45:29,660 --> 00:45:31,061 we were to 934 00:45:31,061 --> 00:45:38,469 come up with the ideas we as the human, and we should use the AI as a partner 935 00:45:38,469 --> 00:45:43,140 to help us make things better or more accurate. 936 00:45:43,674 --> 00:45:47,911 You it's a companion, not a replacement. 937 00:45:47,978 --> 00:45:50,681 Yeah, and that's exactly sense. That's exactly right. 938 00:45:50,681 --> 00:45:51,882 And what I'm already seeing this, 939 00:45:51,882 --> 00:45:54,985 like we said at the top with new programmers coming in, 940 00:45:55,119 --> 00:45:57,454 your junior developers, this is creating a problem 941 00:45:57,454 --> 00:46:00,290 because they're not hiring junior developers a lot, 942 00:46:00,290 --> 00:46:04,027 because a lot of those jobs can be replaced by AI, you know? 943 00:46:04,328 --> 00:46:07,531 But the other problem is, is the current people learning the program 944 00:46:07,598 --> 00:46:11,702 don't code the same way and don't have a complete understanding 945 00:46:12,102 --> 00:46:17,541 of what actually they're doing, you know, and that's that's a problem that's bad. 946 00:46:17,708 --> 00:46:21,612 So where all of this stuff is created, situations 947 00:46:21,612 --> 00:46:23,147 where it's a lot easier to do things. 948 00:46:23,147 --> 00:46:26,116 And when you do need to learn how to code, there's YouTube, there's Reddit, 949 00:46:26,116 --> 00:46:28,418 there's stock exchange and all kinds of other resources 950 00:46:28,418 --> 00:46:32,523 that you can use for that, but you still have to know how it works. 951 00:46:33,257 --> 00:46:36,093 Yeah. So like like I have a robot vacuum. 952 00:46:36,093 --> 00:46:38,228 I still need to know how to program the thing into the wall, 953 00:46:38,228 --> 00:46:39,997 and I still need to know how to vacuum. 954 00:46:41,231 --> 00:46:43,934 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 955 00:46:43,934 --> 00:46:46,470 It's the same thing with the stories. 956 00:46:46,470 --> 00:46:51,441 The A's don't have life experience. 957 00:46:51,475 --> 00:46:56,280 Yeah, and they're not going to be able to really write real stories. 958 00:46:56,313 --> 00:47:00,350 I mean, that's really up to the human to come up with it. 959 00:47:00,350 --> 00:47:06,023 And I think the AI can help you do research or fix your grammar, 960 00:47:06,056 --> 00:47:10,761 but they're not going to be able to currently write a novel. 961 00:47:10,794 --> 00:47:12,830 Yeah, that will make a lot of sense. 962 00:47:12,830 --> 00:47:15,599 And that's, you know, and fiction. 963 00:47:15,599 --> 00:47:17,501 You know, you're looking at a standpoint where 964 00:47:17,501 --> 00:47:20,838 that's something that the human creates the world for it. 965 00:47:20,838 --> 00:47:25,676 And it's harder to do fact papers like a white paper or something 966 00:47:25,709 --> 00:47:26,910 a little easier to do with AI. 967 00:47:26,910 --> 00:47:30,547 But it's still you have to review it, and you have to be able 968 00:47:30,547 --> 00:47:33,550 to understand what it is you're writing. 969 00:47:34,218 --> 00:47:34,585 Yeah. 970 00:47:34,585 --> 00:47:36,620 You know, to know if it's accurate or not. 971 00:47:37,754 --> 00:47:38,388 Yeah. 972 00:47:38,388 --> 00:47:42,593 I've been going through my Star Wars books and editing them, 973 00:47:42,593 --> 00:47:45,963 and once in a while it's like, oh, I need a quick fact checked. 974 00:47:46,063 --> 00:47:46,396 Yeah. 975 00:47:46,396 --> 00:47:51,468 And asking the AI is fine and I can double check my own work, 976 00:47:51,468 --> 00:47:55,706 but I'm doing the thinking it's being the helper. Yep. 977 00:47:55,973 --> 00:47:56,473 That's the thing. 978 00:47:56,473 --> 00:48:00,177 On the publishing side of it, you know, authors are still very much necessary. 979 00:48:00,344 --> 00:48:03,280 And like you say, the tools help make you do your work better. 980 00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,783 I find what I use, like Grammarly and some of those kind of tools 981 00:48:06,783 --> 00:48:09,586 for writing on my end. I actually learn to write better. 982 00:48:09,586 --> 00:48:11,154 I'm having that effect. 983 00:48:11,154 --> 00:48:12,823 Yeah, I've learned stuff too. 984 00:48:12,823 --> 00:48:14,892 I certainly don't ask them to write it for me. 985 00:48:14,892 --> 00:48:18,428 And the way is are going right now, they would say, no, that's not ethical, 986 00:48:18,495 --> 00:48:19,863 can't do that. 987 00:48:19,863 --> 00:48:24,501 Which is another whole topic, but is definitely something interesting to see. 988 00:48:24,534 --> 00:48:26,970 So are these professions still good to go into? 989 00:48:26,970 --> 00:48:30,107 Yes, but you need to be prepared for a dynamic environment 990 00:48:30,140 --> 00:48:32,276 where things are going to change and what it is 991 00:48:32,276 --> 00:48:33,677 five years from now is going to be different 992 00:48:33,677 --> 00:48:36,580 from what it is today and just be up for that. 993 00:48:36,580 --> 00:48:37,814 And if that's something you can do, 994 00:48:37,814 --> 00:48:39,983 you can still make a good living, you can still make good money 995 00:48:39,983 --> 00:48:43,353 and be kind of at the cutting edge of technology, 996 00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:47,591 which is very appealing to a lot of us that work in the industry. 997 00:48:47,658 --> 00:48:51,028 But on the same token, you just have to know that that is up 998 00:48:51,028 --> 00:48:55,933 and coming and definitely a part of what you're going to be seeing in the future. 999 00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,068 So let us know what you think about it. 1000 00:48:58,068 --> 00:49:00,971 userfriendly.show is the place to put your comments till next week. 1001 00:49:00,971 --> 00:49:02,706 This is User Friendly 2.0. 1002 00:49:02,706 --> 00:49:04,641 Keeping you safe on the cutting edge. 1003 00:49:04,641 --> 00:49:06,143 User friendly 2.0. 1004 00:49:06,143 --> 00:49:09,479 Copyright 2013 to 2026 1005 00:49:09,479 --> 00:49:12,950 by User Friendly Media Group incorporated. 1006 00:49:13,116 --> 00:49:14,785 All rights reserved. 1007 00:49:14,785 --> 00:49:18,989 The content is the opinion of the show's participants and does 1008 00:49:18,989 --> 00:49:22,759 not necessarily reflect the station or platform. 1009 00:49:23,093 --> 00:49:27,064 Requests for material use, interviews, disclosures, 1010 00:49:27,064 --> 00:49:33,503 and other correspondence may be viewed and submitted at userfriendly.show