Welcome to Hip Hop Movie Club, the show
that harmonizes the rhythm of hip hop with
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the magic of movies.
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Today, we're discussing Kings from Queens,
the newly released three -part documentary
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series about the legendary hip hop trio
Run-DMC.
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We're three old heads who put their old
heads together to vibe on these films for
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you.
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I'm Dyno Wright, podcaster, filmmaker,
longtime hip hop fan, and I saw Run-DMC
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with Aerosmith in September of 2002, the
month before Jam Master Jay was killed.
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I'm JB, 80s and 90s nostalgia junkie, long
time hip hop fan, and two years ago, a
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friend of mine who goes by the name of
Dyno Wright asked me and BooGie to join
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his crew.
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HHMC was born just for you.
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So we say the things we're about to say,
the words are def and they go this way.
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Yes!
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we go.
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I'm BooGie, a DJ, long time hip hop fan
and the song that got me hooked on hip hop
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is Sucker MC's by Run-DMC.
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Yes.
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When did I fall in love with hip hop?
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When I heard this song.
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In this episode, we'll answer the
question, how far reaching was Run-DMC's
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impact on hip hop and pop culture?
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And we'll give you five key takeaways to
make you a smarter hip hop movie fan.
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Kings from Queens is a 2024 three -part
documentary series chronicling the rise
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and dominance of the hip hop powerhouse
that we know and love as Run-DMC.
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We see the origin story, the apex, the
struggles, and the undeniable legacy left
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by this dynamic trio.
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This documentary shows why Run-DMC is the
most responsible for introducing hip hop
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to the entire world.
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The late Jam Master Jay is responsible for
the image and the fashion of the group.
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DMC battled and overcame personal demons
along the journey of being a star.
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Run-DMC revived the Adidas brand of
footwear and apparel, as well as the
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career of the rock group Aerosmith.
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And Run-DMC inspired the likes of Ice
Cube, Eminem, LL Cool J, Chuck D, the
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Beastie Boys, and many more.
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All right, let's get right into it.
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Mentioned the takeaways and let's start
with the first takeaway about the
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documentary showing how Run-DMC was most
responsible for introducing hip hop to the
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entire world.
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These were the first rock stars of rap,
the first rap group on MTV, and they
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changed the entire sound of music and hip
hop.
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BooGie, what do you have about, you know,
the powerhouse?
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that Run-DMC was and their international
influence.
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Yeah, so Run-DMC, they grew to prominence
pretty quickly because they look just like
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the guys in the neighborhood.
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I mean, they dress like them, they walk
and spoke just like them.
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Before them, hip hop groups, they wore
costumes.
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You think of Afrika Bambataa and the Zulu
Nation, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious
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Five, those artists, they wore costumes.
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When Run-DMC came to perform, you see them
playing a tracksuit, hat.
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you know, sneakers with the shoelaces out,
looking like everyone around the way.
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So when they started gaining local speed,
you know, their songs were, it became such
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a, so in demand that everybody wanted to
hear them, see who these guys were.
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Like you mentioned, JB, you know, they
went on MTV, they started doing tours.
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One of the big doors that are open for
them was performing at Live Aid.
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And, you know, just that alone put them in
front of the world.
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And then from there, you know, they just
became such an in -demand artists.
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You know, people wanted them on film.
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So we have Krush Groove coming around.
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And then after that, they became
recognizable to the point where they
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couldn't go anywhere without people
knowing who they were.
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They just, you know, they had the
charisma, the style, the flash, the flair,
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but they were just like everyday guys from
around the way, you know?
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So that was probably the biggest thing
that hooked everyone was that, you know,
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anybody can be Run-DMC.
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Like you could look at them and you
would...
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see some of the characteristics or the
movements or the mannerisms within them
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that remind you of somebody that lives on
your block.
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True, relatable.
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DynoWright, what do you have?
Yeah, I'd forgotten that Run-DMC was the
only rap group at Live Aid.
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40 years later, all we hear about really
is Phil Collins doing both shows in London
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and Philly and Freddie Mercury.
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But yeah, Run-DMC was there too.
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Yeah, I had forgotten as well.
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It wasn't really highlighted back then.
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the one reason that I'll always remember
them performing at Live Aid is because
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they mentioned it in My Adidas.
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Yeah, yeah, you know, stepped on the stage
at Live Aid, all the people who gave and
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the poor got paid.
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I'm like, that always sat in the back of
my head.
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So I'll always remember them performing
here.
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But yeah, like you said, it's not really
talked about a lot.
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you see in this interview, the interviews
really struck me because, and I think it
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was a lot of these British interviews for
some reason, they showed where these guys
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were saying, so what are you guys doing
after this?
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Like this hip hop is a fad.
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Like, what will you guys be doing in two
years?
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Was literally what they said.
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So these guys were like, well, we'll be
doing this, you know, they fought for the
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legitimacy of hip hop.
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They paved the way for so many and they
were loud and bold and courageous.
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I think one of the quotes was like, loud,
courageous pioneers.
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And that's exactly what they were.
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They just stood in the face of any type of
criticism.
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You had folks in R &B and you know,
because they don't really use instruments,
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you know, traditional instruments.
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And so people just pooh -poohed them.
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They're like, you guys aren't real
artists.
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like would you ask the singer if he's
gonna be singing in two years?
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So why would you ask us that same, ask us
that question?
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were calling it a fad.
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It's crazy.
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Yeah, like most marketing companies at
some point, they got to consider like
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tapping into hip hop in some way, shape or
form to get their point across.
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It's everywhere.
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You know, it's so embedded in our global
existence that they don't even think about
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it.
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They think, oh yeah, you know, we're just
going to do this and that.
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But we know that's hip hop.
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They're just thinking that it's something
everyday life.
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It's everyday life because hip hop is so
ingrained in everyday life now.
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life.
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I think that theme comes up so many in so
many of our episodes is the ubiquity of
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hip hop.
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It's everywhere.
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I think I must have said this on other
episodes, but like you can't put on TV and
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network TV for more than like a few
minutes without seeing some form of hip
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hop, whether it's on a sitcom, on a
commercial, on a sporting event, inside a
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sporting event as they go to commercial,
you know, it's just everywhere.
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It's so beloved.
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These guys were there in the early days,
fighting for legitmacy.
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they toured, so they introduced it to the
entire world.
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Other folks have toured but
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didn't have the type of impact.
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as much as Run-DMC did.
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Right.
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So BooGie, you hit a little bit on the
image and the fashion of the group because
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they look like the everyday person in
urban centers where these guys are from
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Hollis Queens.
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So in what we learned in the documentary,
this is the second takeaway is that the
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late Jam Master Jay was the one
responsible for that image and the fashion
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of the group.
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He brought that style.
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Do you want to speak a little bit more
about that?
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So yeah, as the group's songs got bigger,
there became a desire for them to be
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performing these songs live.
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So now they need a DJ.
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So they're looking in the neighborhood for
DJs.
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And there was another guy, Darnell Smith,
who's a local DJ.
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He was actually a friend of Jay's, but
there's a story about he got a job at a
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post office.
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He said that he never got a job at a post
office.
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He just got a job in another state, but he
wasn't available.
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So, you know, they bring in Jam Master Jay
and Max.
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Jay who was actually had street
credibility in the neighborhood to be the
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DJ.
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And I know they said they get to their
first show and you know, Jam Master Jay
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pulls up.
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He's got the black Adidas tracksuit on
with the, you know, with the white stripes
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down the side, his Godfather hat, you
know, Adidas with no shoestrings in them.
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And everybody just kind of looked at him
like, yeah, I think, yeah, yeah, that's
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what we're going to do.
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And then from that point on, they think...
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that's what they dressed like.
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They all imitated, you know, whatever Jay
was, you know, his image or whatever he
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thought was cool.
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That's what they wore.
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And it was funny how in the documentary it
shows how they used to dress before and
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had the plaid blazers on.
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They had the plaid blazers.
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I'm like, whoa.
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Thank God for Jam Master Jay, man.
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working at McDowell's.
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They created the b-boy look.
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If you look up b-boy, that's b -boy style.
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This is what it is.
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It's tracksuits.
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It's Adidas with no laces.
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It's funny because I remember as a
youngster, like I had cousins that were
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much older than I was and they wore Adidas
tracksuits.
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So the good thing about being the youngest
one is when they outgrew it.
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So I had the black one with the red
stripes down the side.
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I had another one that was like color
blocked with stripes down the side.
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I was like, yes.
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Couldn't tell me nothing.
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And this was before sneaker culture hit
its peak.
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These were affordable shoes, which was
good.
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People could afford them and they could
dress like Run-DMC.
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else to add about
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the image, the fashion brought in by Jam
Master Jay.
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Only to talk about, just so people know
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A lot of stuff about his murder and the
resolution of the legal process came out
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A lot of stuff about his murder and the
resolution of the legal process came out
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after this was released.
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So if you're looking for a deep dive into
motives and what happened with the murder
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of Jam Master Jay, this isn't the place to
go.
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But this still is good for seeing how
their style evolved and was really...
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you know, taking on a rocket ship when Jay
joined the band or joined the group.
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Yeah, there's mention of his passing and
the mourning and that's really the
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dissolution of the group.
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Like that was pretty much it.
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They stopped touring, Run, went full time
into being a reverend.
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He was already, you know, he had already
become a Reverend and a Rev Run, but it's
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kind of like they didn't really produce
more music.
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They have since kind of reunited for the 50 year hip hop
tours, which we'll talk about a little bit.
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It was like, we're the three of us.
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This is, you know, this is not the same.
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Jam Master Jay was irreplaceable.
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Literally.
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They couldn’t bring in another DJ to replace
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him.
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So the next topic, you know, takeaway is
DMC, Darryl McDaniels.
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It really showcased or highlighted how he
battled and overcame personal demons along
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the journey of becoming a megastar.
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BooGie, you want to talk a little about
that?
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so DMC was known for having that powerful,
booming voice that commanded the stage
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when he rhymed.
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But originally, DMC didn't want to
perform.
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He wanted to just write.
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At first, he just had a book of rhymes
that he would just write because that was
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his outlet.
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He didn't have a therapist or a counselor
or anybody like that that he spoke.
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So anytime he wanted to express himself,
he wrote it in his book.
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Of course, you know, Run in his
charismatic ways, find out that D had this
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gift of gab when it comes to rhyming and
convinced him to tag along down to the
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studio.
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And you know, subsequently convinced him
to start rhyming And once everybody heard
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him, they were like, yo, this guy's
serious.
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We need him.
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Yes, this is what's gonna work.
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a persona.
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every time he goes out on stage to
perform, you know, he'd rather, you know,
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write rhymes and read comic books and
things like that, you know, typical quote
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unquote nerd stuff, rather than be out on
stage performing.
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And then when it got down to recording, he
said, you know what, I don't mind
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recording, but I don't want to perform.
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But as he goes through these motions, he
has to figure out ways to cope with what
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he's feeling.
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And it all starts to come to a head as
he's getting older and realizing that, you
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know,
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This is something that's not gonna last
forever, but I wanna figure out what to do
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with my life.
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And then unfortunately, Jam Master Jay is
murdered and it really takes him, he takes
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it really hard.
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He becomes alcoholic and suicidal, things
like that.
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And not really sure how to cope with
himself.
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But he starts to realize that, I know I
skipped the part too, is when he was going
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on tour, he would take on a persona of
different comic book characters to get
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through his performances.
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So now at this point in his life, he's
trying to figure out how to deal with
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himself.
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And he's thinking about, there's several
instances where he thinks about taking his
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own life.
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And he comes out of an airport at one
point and he...
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in a cab ride from the airport and the guy
driving the cab recognizes him and says,
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hey, you know, you got me through this,
you got me through that, your rhymes were
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brought me through when I was having a
really hard time in life.
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And he said, can I just have an autograph?
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And he said, yeah, sure.
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He gives him an autograph.
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He said, I could take a picture with you
too.
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And the guy said, hey, do you mind if I
put on the radio?
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And he puts on a radio
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yeah, so he puts on a radio and the song
comes on that changes his life and makes
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him reconsider, you know, those thoughts
that he's having and, you know, he decides
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that he wants to fight.
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And then he puts on the fight and he just
starts revitalizing himself and moving
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forward.
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nothing else, watch this documentary to
find out what song saved his life.
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What unlikely song and artist saved his
life.
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Now a great breakdown there BooGie.
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DMC definitely was the most introspective
of the crew and he battled the bouts of
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depression on and off.
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You said Run had his family life early on,
he was always going back home to be with
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his family and Jam Master Jay was always
out and about socializing, he was kind of
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life of the party.
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Whereas DMC, Darryl McDaniels was kind of
like a bit of a loner.
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He was a rocker but he was very
introspective like I said.
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So he kind of was like left to his own.
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And it took a toll on him putting on that
face.
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And again, I thought it was cool that he
was inspired by the Marvel superheroes.
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And that was back before this whole MCU
and the mega films, Disney and everything
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like that.
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He was down with Marvel.
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It was kind of cool.
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saw a DMC at the airport once.
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This was a few years ago and he was by
himself.
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So like you said about being a loner, like
he was by himself in the airport.
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No one was bothering him, which was kind
of cool.
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Like if he had come to my terminal or my
gate, I would have had to talk to him.
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But like, yeah, he's walking around like a
normal guy, dressed like a normal guy.
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Yeah, it really is him.
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They do show in the documentary that he does get married and I think he has a child.
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So he kind of has that family bond to help
steer him a little bit more.
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But, you know, in the throes of it, he
didn't, you know, he had difficulties, you
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know, like you said, up to the level of
being suicidal, unfortunately.
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at one point he says he wants to, you
know, he creates the comic book and that's
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when his son realized that, oh, dad's a
nerd.
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He's doing the Comic Cons and stuff.
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Wait a minute, I didn't know that.
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Yeah.
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to the beginning documentary of the
childhood, like they grew up in Hollis,
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Queens, and there was crime, you know,
throughout the neighborhood, and he would
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just take refuge in his room and just read
those comic books.
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And that was his outlet.
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And then he said writing became his
outlet.
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And then, you know, he was forced to front
the crew a lot and get out there.
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I just think it's kind of cool though,
because I think when I was growing up, I
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read a lot of comic books too.
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And I used to draw characters and make up
my own characters and things like that.
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So I kind of embraced a lot of what he was
talking about, you know, between, you
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know, drawing the characters and then
subsequently, like I used to do a lot of
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my graffiti and stuff like that.
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But then I found my way to the turntables,
being at my friend's dad down the street.
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And that became my other outlet.
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So it's a clean line.
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That's pretty much the outlet that I use
now.
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Most of the time I rarely draw now.
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But I don't get away from music.
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I don't get too far away from the music.
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But it was cool how he was talking about
the complex.
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And now when you mention this whole MCU
thing, it's like...
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Mind -blowing like, man.
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I couldn't imagine having that as a kid
These kids are lucky You know, I gotta
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jump up and down and like a big kid
jumping up and down.
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They can jump up and down to be a kid
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Yeah, we can relate to the, you know, if
you guys haven't noticed, if you're
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listening, we're kind of nerds, you know,
it was like, we're doing deep dives on
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these things.
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We talked about MCU a little bit in the
past, you know, we did a Spider -Verse
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episode, Transformers, and stuff like
that.
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So yeah, DMC's our guy.
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So another takeaway was
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Run-DMC as a crew, they revived
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the Adidas brand of footwear and apparel.
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Which was really a kind of a low point
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and like for them
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putting them on the map by wearing
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their stuff
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And even doing the song
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called “My Adidas”
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They also revived the career of
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the rock group Aerosmith.
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I mean, Aerosmith was a classic rock
group, you know, popular like in the
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seventies and had a couple of hits here and
there, but they were dormant for quite a
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while.
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And then with that collaboration, with “Walk This Way” - Boom!
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You guys want to talk a little bit more about
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how they did both things.
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Yeah so, I mean, the Adidas, you know, takeaway
was kind of cool because like they weren't
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even setting out to get any kind of
endorsement or deals or anything like
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that.
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that's just what they wore.
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It's like, you know, hey, everybody in the
neighborhood wears their affordable
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sneakers.
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They look cool.
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Everybody wears them.
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So, you know, when they wanted to, you
know, when they embraced the style of
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wearing the track jackets and the track
suits and things like that to go with
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them, that's just what they did.
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And, you know, it was funny because Lyor
Cohen, who now, like most people in hip
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hop know that name, Lyor Cohen.
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I didn't even realize that he started off
as their road manager.
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I was like, wow, that's Lyor Cohen, the
Lyor Cohen.
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It's like, wow.
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But he was honest.
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He said, you know, the Adidas deal would
have happened with or without him being
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involved, which was actually, you know,
big of him to say that because you think
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about it, yeah, somebody would have been
like, would have caught wind of it.
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But it just happened.
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He was in the right place at the right
time.
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And he contacted some execs over at Adidas
and said, hey, you know,
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come to this concert down in Madison
Square Garden, I want to show you guys
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something.
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I don't even think he hinted at what they
were going to see, but you know, Run is on
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stage and he just holds up a pair, holds
up one sneaker and he's like, yo, you
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know, everybody in the crowd, you know, do
the same thing.
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And then all you see is a bunch of hands
go with a Adidas sneaker in their hand.
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And before they got off the stage, you
know, it kind of solidified that they were
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making an impact on the sales for Adidas.
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And
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Lyor negotiated the million dollar
contract deal with Adidas.
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And I remember when that happened too,
because they had commercials, billboards,
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posters everywhere.
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I remember they had like the limited
edition Adidas with Run-DMC on one of the
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sneakers.
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The Adidas Forums was, you couldn't buy
those sneakers anywhere.
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You couldn't find them anywhere.
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They were selling out everywhere.
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The Superstars were selling out.
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The Classic Shell Toes were selling out.
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Like...
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they would come in and gone quick.
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I mean, if you had a small foot, you could
probably find them with a guy like me with
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a big foot, couldn't find them.
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I don't even think, I think I had a couple
pairs of Forums but when I was younger, I
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never had a pair of like, I had a pair of
some Stan Smiths, but I never had the
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shell toes.
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I couldn't find them.
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You never get them.
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I could get them now, but couldn't get
them back then.
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Yeah.
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DynoWright, anything to add about the
Adidas connection.
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BooGie covered it quite excellently.
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the challenge, I think.
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Yeah.
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I mean, there was one scene that we talked
about before, before we were recording.
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There was that former executive from
Adidas who was tearful and like so, so
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thankful and, and, uh, grateful for what
Run-DMC did for their brand.
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I think he mentioned that they were kind
of struggling.
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And then when, when they had the song and
everything, like their sales just rocketed
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up and what a boon for the brand.
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I believe what the deal was
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that they gave them
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a million dollars
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and
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anything that they wanted.
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It's like, all right, $1 million and like
whatever shoes you want because they were
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just raking in the dough with all the, it
was free endorsement up until that point.
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And then they had the deal.
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So that was incredible.
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Just an incredible marriage of the brand.
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And then, you know, maybe that's.
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That's kind of responsible for maybe the
sneaker culture and hip hop being tied
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together for.
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Yeah.
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to this day.
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Jordans and Nike and whatever brands that
people want and then you got you know
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hip hop stars having their own lines and
etc of shoes, sneakers.
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Yeah.
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Jay-Z had his S. Carters with Reebok.
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Kanye recently up to fairly recently, you
know, just had his own line with Adidas,
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you know?
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Yeah.
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all paved the way by Run-DMC.
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Travis Scott has some Nike variants that
comes out every so often.
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Those things sell out like hotcakes.
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If you don't put your order in within like
they'll release them at 10 o 'clock by
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like 10:01, if you haven't put your sale
through, you're not getting them.
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You're in line, you're in a digital line
and you won't get them unless you buy, get
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them on resale.
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Right.
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So I want to talk a little bit more about
Run-DMC's connection with Aerosmith, their
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impact on Aerosmith's career.
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So when they collaborated with Walk This
Way in the mid 80s, like that really put
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Aerosmith back on the map.
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A lot of, nobody in our generation had
known who Steven Tyler was probably.
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Unless you're a rock guy, but, but like
Aerosmith could have easily gone the way
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of like
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Super Tramp or Grand Funk Railroad is
like, all right, there's a group there, or
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Kansas or something like that.
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They're a group, they had a couple hits
and then I'll go back and listen to them.
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But after that, Aerosmith's like a hot
commodity.
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And then they were soaring through the
charts through the 90s, mega hits.
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I was just joking that without Run-DMC,
there's probably no rock and roller
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coaster in Disney World.
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
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You don’t see Steven Tyler and their crew on the
Polar Express and stuff like that.
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Like these guys are like up there in the
upper echelon of rock groups.
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And I really think that, and Ad Rock from
Beastie Boys in an interview mentioned
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that, like they saved Aerosmith's career.
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They put them back on the map.
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And like they, yeah.
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Put it in perspective, Walk This Way, the original came out in
1975.
460
00:26:02,875 --> 00:26:09,208
And so 11 years later, Run-DMC uses it for
their version and just brings them back
461
00:26:09,208 --> 00:26:10,041
and then Aerosmith's next
462
00:26:11,708 --> 00:26:13,958
album goes like multi -platinum.
463
00:26:13,958 --> 00:26:17,500
And so yeah, thanks to hip hop.
464
00:26:17,541 --> 00:26:19,125
Rock gets a new life.
465
00:26:20,750 --> 00:26:21,291
Yeah.
466
00:26:21,291 --> 00:26:24,750
When they were talking about how they
wanted to do Walk This Way, Rick, the genius
467
00:26:24,750 --> 00:26:29,791
Rick Rubin had, um, you know, I think they
were going to do a totally different
468
00:26:29,791 --> 00:26:33,208
version, version of it and, and, and whole
different lyrics.
469
00:26:33,208 --> 00:26:38,166
And then Rick Rubin is like, if you listen
to the way that Aerosmith did it back in
470
00:26:38,166 --> 00:26:41,708
‘75, it has a hip hop adjacent flow.
471
00:26:41,708 --> 00:26:44,291
Like it's fast, it rhymes and it can work.
472
00:26:44,291 --> 00:26:50,541
Just put the beats in and, and dub it that
way and make it your own in a hip hop.
473
00:26:50,541 --> 00:26:52,458
format and it was brilliant.
474
00:26:52,458 --> 00:26:52,791
Yeah.
475
00:26:52,791 --> 00:26:59,708
A direct cover of the song, not even a
remake or not even an interpretation.
476
00:26:59,708 --> 00:27:01,416
It's like a direct cover.
477
00:27:01,416 --> 00:27:03,166
That was genius.
478
00:27:03,500 --> 00:27:10,375
I remember when I first heard the song, it
took me years before I realized that that
479
00:27:10,375 --> 00:27:12,000
wasn't even their lyrics.
480
00:27:12,041 --> 00:27:14,166
As a kid, I always thought that that was
their lyrics.
481
00:27:14,166 --> 00:27:15,791
And then I got older, I was like, wait a
minute.
482
00:27:15,791 --> 00:27:18,625
And I heard the original, I'm like, wait a
minute.
483
00:27:19,166 --> 00:27:23,125
Run-DMC was just saying the same stuff
that they said the whole time.
484
00:27:23,125 --> 00:27:25,166
It was like my mind just went.
485
00:27:25,875 --> 00:27:28,333
And he filled the room and I was like
done.
486
00:27:28,333 --> 00:27:30,083
I couldn't believe it.
487
00:27:31,166 --> 00:27:34,375
I mean, think about it, Aerosmith was
ahead of their time because yeah, it's
488
00:27:34,375 --> 00:27:38,916
kind of rap adjacent Like, hey, diddle
diddle, kitty in the middle, and like, it
489
00:27:38,916 --> 00:27:39,416
just don't care.
490
00:27:39,416 --> 00:27:41,000
You know, so it's like, all right.
491
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,500
That totally lends itself to hip hop.
492
00:27:45,083 --> 00:27:46,250
Yeah, definitely.
493
00:27:49,458 --> 00:27:51,000
Mega hit, mega hit.
494
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:56,958
And I liked the video too, where they're,
cause it's a meshing of the two genre.
495
00:27:56,958 --> 00:28:02,458
It's kind of like, Run-DMC is working in
their little studio and then Steven Tyler
496
00:28:02,458 --> 00:28:03,708
and crew are working theirs.
497
00:28:03,708 --> 00:28:07,041
And it's like, they're pounding on the
wall, like, hey, and all of a sudden it
498
00:28:07,041 --> 00:28:10,333
just breaks through and it's like, all
right, let's do this.
499
00:28:11,416 --> 00:28:12,625
All right.
500
00:28:12,625 --> 00:28:13,666
All right.
501
00:28:13,666 --> 00:28:15,625
That Rock and Roller Coaster is a fun ride too.
502
00:28:15,833 --> 00:28:17,500
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
503
00:28:17,791 --> 00:28:22,375
That’s the one that goes like 0 to 60, whatever, in like no
time and you're upside down.
504
00:28:22,375 --> 00:28:22,500
Yeah.
505
00:28:22,500 --> 00:28:23,166
Oh, yeah.
506
00:28:23,166 --> 00:28:24,000
That's...
507
00:28:24,041 --> 00:28:28,041
I've rode that in the very front and in
very back.
508
00:28:28,041 --> 00:28:29,791
my family loves that one too.
509
00:28:29,916 --> 00:28:31,958
Um, awesome.
510
00:28:31,958 --> 00:28:35,416
One other takeaway that we wanted to talk
about, you know, the way that Run-DMC
511
00:28:35,416 --> 00:28:36,416
One other takeaway that we wanted to talk
about, you know, the way that Run-DMC
512
00:28:36,416 --> 00:28:38,791
inspired so many other hip hop artists.
513
00:28:38,791 --> 00:28:44,458
You see Ice Cube, Eminem, LL Cool J, Chuck
D, obviously the Beastie Boys.
514
00:28:44,458 --> 00:28:46,166
You can see the admiration.
515
00:28:46,166 --> 00:28:47,625
Um, you want to talk a little bit about
that BooGie?
516
00:28:47,625 --> 00:28:50,083
How we see the influence.
517
00:28:50,083 --> 00:28:54,166
I mean, like you look at guys like Ice
Cube and Eminem, just talking about the
518
00:28:54,166 --> 00:28:55,291
I mean, like you look at guys like Ice
Cube and Eminem, just talking about the
519
00:28:55,291 --> 00:29:01,916
very first record, the very first time
they listened to a Run-DMC record, LL Cool
520
00:29:01,916 --> 00:29:02,666
J signing with Def Jam and being taken
under Russell's wing and almost having a
521
00:29:02,666 --> 00:29:08,416
J signing with Def Jam and being taken
under Russell's wing and almost having a
522
00:29:08,416 --> 00:29:10,791
bit of a sibling rivalry with Run-DMC.
523
00:29:10,791 --> 00:29:14,583
Like they pushed one another, like, cause
they looked at LL, it was like, yo, he's
524
00:29:14,583 --> 00:29:15,291
the...
525
00:29:15,333 --> 00:29:17,791
You know, they said they would always
tease Run and say, yo, L's coming for your
526
00:29:17,791 --> 00:29:17,916
crown.
527
00:29:17,916 --> 00:29:18,916
He's coming for your crown.
528
00:29:18,916 --> 00:29:20,083
He's coming for your crown.
529
00:29:20,083 --> 00:29:21,666
And that will push Run harder.
530
00:29:21,666 --> 00:29:26,333
But at the same time, LL Cool J is not
having the same obstacles to deal with as
531
00:29:26,333 --> 00:29:27,291
Run-DMC did.
532
00:29:27,291 --> 00:29:33,416
So he has more of a cleaner lane, but he's
trying to aspire to be like them because
533
00:29:33,416 --> 00:29:38,208
he sees all of the success and the
accolades that they're achieving.
534
00:29:38,208 --> 00:29:40,708
So he wants to be like them, you know?
535
00:29:40,708 --> 00:29:43,166
And then you look at, I mean, same thing
with the Beastie Boys.
536
00:29:43,166 --> 00:29:44,666
And there was a joke that said,
537
00:29:44,666 --> 00:29:48,208
the Beastie Boys or what would happen to
Run-DMC if they were white.
538
00:29:49,833 --> 00:29:53,541
And they had a great camaraderie as well.
539
00:29:53,541 --> 00:29:55,416
They were going on tours together.
540
00:29:55,416 --> 00:30:02,208
And I'm sure there's so many stories that
they can't even talk about of the antics
541
00:30:02,208 --> 00:30:05,791
that went on tours with those guys.
542
00:30:06,333 --> 00:30:11,625
And then Chuck D's retrospective on being
a...
543
00:30:11,625 --> 00:30:15,625
up in Adelphi University working at the
radio station.
544
00:30:15,708 --> 00:30:22,333
And the very first time he received that
white label Sucker MCs record and he
545
00:30:22,333 --> 00:30:23,083
listened to it.
546
00:30:23,083 --> 00:30:25,375
He said, oh man, we got to throw this on.
547
00:30:25,375 --> 00:30:30,375
And at a time where, and he put it on at a
time where a lot of radio stations were
548
00:30:30,375 --> 00:30:35,583
not playing hip hop at all, you know, and
they definitely weren't playing Sucker MCs
549
00:30:35,583 --> 00:30:40,166
because Sucker MCs as Russell Simmons, you
know, relayed.
550
00:30:40,208 --> 00:30:42,250
That song was for the streets.
551
00:30:42,250 --> 00:30:43,125
That was for the locals.
552
00:30:43,125 --> 00:30:44,458
That was for the hood.
553
00:30:44,458 --> 00:30:46,666
That wasn't even supposed to be the hit.
554
00:30:47,041 --> 00:30:50,166
You know, that was just something that was
raw that they wanted to put out for the
555
00:30:50,166 --> 00:30:52,208
people in the neighborhood to listen to.
556
00:30:52,208 --> 00:30:56,541
But when Chuck D heard it, you know, he
put it on his radio show and it just kept
557
00:30:56,541 --> 00:30:56,875
playing.
558
00:30:56,875 --> 00:31:00,500
And then, you know, everybody's playing
the song over and over again.
559
00:31:00,500 --> 00:31:07,083
But you could definitely see in all of
these legends in the game, you know, Ice
560
00:31:07,083 --> 00:31:09,541
Cube, Eminem, LL Cool J, Chuck D.
561
00:31:09,541 --> 00:31:11,083
the Beastie Boys, et cetera.
562
00:31:11,083 --> 00:31:11,916
They're all legends.
563
00:31:11,916 --> 00:31:17,416
And again, even they had Salt from Salt
and Pepa talked a bit, you know, one of
564
00:31:17,416 --> 00:31:21,958
the great, you know, lyrics, female
lyricists, lyricists period, but
565
00:31:21,958 --> 00:31:27,583
definitely one of the biggest hip hop
female artists of all time.
566
00:31:27,583 --> 00:31:32,541
And they all, you can see the deep
admiration that all of them had for
567
00:31:32,541 --> 00:31:35,291
Run-DMC and how Run-DMC kicked down doors,
knocked down walls.
568
00:31:35,291 --> 00:31:37,750
Run-DMC and how Run-DMC kicked down doors,
knocked down walls.
569
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:45,416
and made a way, paved a way for them to
become the artists that they were and how
570
00:31:45,416 --> 00:31:52,375
they all would listen to the songs as they
were writing their own and have that
571
00:31:52,375 --> 00:31:56,166
admiration, hey, listen, they're making it
big, I wanna make it like them.
572
00:31:56,166 --> 00:32:01,458
So we're gonna write harder, we're gonna
work harder, we're gonna aspire harder to
573
00:32:01,458 --> 00:32:02,791
be like them.
574
00:32:03,583 --> 00:32:04,250
Definitely.
575
00:32:04,250 --> 00:32:05,958
DynoWright, anything to add on that?
576
00:32:06,208 --> 00:32:10,333
Yeah, you can tell just how influential
they are when you have all of these stars
577
00:32:10,458 --> 00:32:17,333
appear in the documentary and just talk
about the profound impact they had.
578
00:32:17,416 --> 00:32:23,333
It wasn't just these rappers, it's also
Tom Morello from Rage Against the Machine
579
00:32:23,333 --> 00:32:29,333
and not just other rappers, but other
musicians too.
580
00:32:30,500 --> 00:32:30,708
Right.
581
00:32:30,708 --> 00:32:31,375
They were bold.
582
00:32:31,375 --> 00:32:34,166
I mean, that's one of the biggest
adjectives that I took away.
583
00:32:34,166 --> 00:32:41,375
It's like they were just so bold,
courageous and the content too was fun.
584
00:32:41,375 --> 00:32:45,041
And I think that we should touch on this a
little bit too is that they're, they were
585
00:32:45,041 --> 00:32:47,333
not about any negativity whatsoever.
586
00:32:47,333 --> 00:32:50,708
They were about having a good time and
partying and talking about the person–...
587
00:32:50,708 --> 00:32:56,166
They revealed some of their personalities
and what happened though, like where they
588
00:32:56,166 --> 00:32:59,791
kind of lost some steam, so to speak.
589
00:32:59,791 --> 00:33:03,166
was like in the late eighties, whereas the
rise of the West Coast gangster rap and
590
00:33:03,166 --> 00:33:05,583
was like in the late eighties, whereas the
rise of the West Coast gangster rap and
591
00:33:05,583 --> 00:33:07,541
NWA becomes popular.
592
00:33:07,541 --> 00:33:14,833
And these are more or less hip hop with a
message, a political message or social
593
00:33:14,833 --> 00:33:15,958
message.
594
00:33:16,750 --> 00:33:21,625
And the young urban youth were listening
to that and even suburban youth, you know,
595
00:33:21,666 --> 00:33:23,208
listened to this and they fell in love
with it.
596
00:33:23,208 --> 00:33:24,125
listened to this and they fell in love
with it.
597
00:33:24,125 --> 00:33:26,875
And now they wanted something with a more
deeper meaning.
598
00:33:26,875 --> 00:33:30,500
And so Run-DMC wasn't really about that.
599
00:33:30,791 --> 00:33:33,291
So they kind of lost some popularity, lost
some steam.
600
00:33:33,291 --> 00:33:36,000
And there was that one scene where,
remember when they went out to the West
601
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,666
coast and there was a guy, he was from the
Crips, I guess, right?
602
00:33:39,666 --> 00:33:42,583
Riding up on the bike, because he was
wearing the blue.
603
00:33:43,666 --> 00:33:46,500
And he yeah, yeah, it's going down
tonight, it's going down tonight.
604
00:33:46,875 --> 00:33:48,875
And DMC was like, yeah, we're going to
rock the show.
605
00:33:48,875 --> 00:33:54,166
He had no idea that there was going to be
some act of violence or some craziness,
606
00:33:54,166 --> 00:33:54,708
right?
607
00:33:54,708 --> 00:33:55,750
And...
608
00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:59,791
threw them for loop and then there was
violence in the crowd.
609
00:33:59,791 --> 00:34:01,750
Brawls. Yeah.
610
00:34:02,166 --> 00:34:03,708
But it was still a bad smear.
611
00:34:03,958 --> 00:34:07,125
And then Run-DMC had to deal with a lot of
negative press because of that and they
612
00:34:07,125 --> 00:34:08,875
had nothing at all to do with it.
613
00:34:08,875 --> 00:34:12,333
And that was, I think that kind of, you
know, left a sour taste in a lot of
614
00:34:12,333 --> 00:34:14,458
people's mouth about hip hop in general.
615
00:34:14,458 --> 00:34:16,125
And then Run-DMC was kind of...
616
00:34:16,125 --> 00:34:22,833
had a stain on them in terms of like, are
they promoting violence or like, you know,
617
00:34:22,833 --> 00:34:26,541
associated with it, you know, guilty by
association.
618
00:34:26,541 --> 00:34:27,083
Yeah.
619
00:34:27,083 --> 00:34:31,666
was an early clip from, I know there was a
clip in there from with Jam Master Jay
620
00:34:31,666 --> 00:34:37,750
talking and he said, hey, listen, like we
realized that we have an influence on
621
00:34:37,750 --> 00:34:38,958
people.
622
00:34:38,958 --> 00:34:44,250
So while we have this platform and this
voice, we wanna be positive.
623
00:34:44,250 --> 00:34:45,583
We wanna spread positivity.
624
00:34:45,583 --> 00:34:48,166
We wanna be good role models for the kids.
625
00:34:48,166 --> 00:34:50,791
And they always strive for that.
626
00:34:51,666 --> 00:34:52,625
which was cool.
627
00:34:52,625 --> 00:34:57,041
I always thought that was cool to them
that they weren't really talking about,
628
00:34:57,041 --> 00:35:00,208
you know, shooting people and robbing
people and things like that.
629
00:35:00,208 --> 00:35:02,791
They just kind of rhymed, hey, I'm the
best there is.
630
00:35:02,791 --> 00:35:08,291
And if that's what it is, you know, so be
it, you know, their rhymes were always
631
00:35:08,291 --> 00:35:16,291
focused on their rap lyricism and how
great they were as an MC, not, you know,
632
00:35:16,291 --> 00:35:18,333
necessarily taking anyone out.
633
00:35:18,833 --> 00:35:22,083
Yeah, I don't think there's any type of
diss tracks or anything in their history
634
00:35:22,083 --> 00:35:23,833
that I can think of.
635
00:35:23,833 --> 00:35:30,041
Oh yeah, there's the other, when they were
trying to do that whole new jack swing
636
00:35:30,041 --> 00:35:33,250
thing too, but we don't talk about that.
637
00:35:34,208 --> 00:35:35,416
So they experiment with that.
638
00:35:35,416 --> 00:35:38,666
Was that before Pete Rock got engaged with
them, involved with them?
639
00:35:38,666 --> 00:35:44,208
And yeah, so they do really thank Pete
Rock for reviving their career after they
640
00:35:44,208 --> 00:35:49,125
hit that downturn when they came out with
Down with the King, which was...
641
00:35:49,125 --> 00:35:50,833
Down with the King is just a great song.
642
00:35:50,833 --> 00:35:59,875
It uses the Sucker MC refrain a little
bit, you know, and it evokes that and it
643
00:35:59,875 --> 00:36:00,791
works so well.
644
00:36:00,791 --> 00:36:01,416
Yeah.
645
00:36:02,833 --> 00:36:06,500
that became a smash hit, put them back on
the map and everybody, if you loved that,
646
00:36:06,500 --> 00:36:08,791
allowed them to tour the world again.
647
00:36:08,875 --> 00:36:12,375
Like that was like a second life for them.
648
00:36:12,375 --> 00:36:15,833
there was that Down with the King and then
Run's House.
649
00:36:16,708 --> 00:36:18,500
Woof.
650
00:36:18,500 --> 00:36:20,208
They're back.
651
00:36:20,208 --> 00:36:21,916
Yeah.
652
00:36:22,625 --> 00:36:23,791
for sure.
653
00:36:26,125 --> 00:36:30,416
So I think, you know, we were
talking about this as a crew here.
654
00:36:30,666 --> 00:36:35,625
It's so hard to narrow down to like our
favorite songs.
655
00:36:35,625 --> 00:36:38,833
And we'll kick it to you, Dyno Wright,
first here.
656
00:36:38,833 --> 00:36:42,666
What would you say are your five favorite
Run-DMC songs of all time?
657
00:36:42,875 --> 00:36:44,000
Boy, this is so tough.
658
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:44,875
This is so tough.
659
00:36:44,875 --> 00:36:46,458
But I've settled on Sucker MC's, My
Adidas, King of Rock, Me Myself on My
660
00:36:46,458 --> 00:36:52,666
But I've settled on Sucker MC's, My
Adidas, King of Rock, Me Myself on My
661
00:36:52,666 --> 00:36:56,375
Microphone, which they did with Living
Colour for the Judgement Night soundtrack,
662
00:36:56,375 --> 00:36:58,041
and Walk This Way.
663
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:00,875
Man, it was hard to make that list.
664
00:37:01,041 --> 00:37:03,958
You leave out such good ones, too.
665
00:37:03,958 --> 00:37:05,625
I couldn't do it.
666
00:37:06,458 --> 00:37:09,208
I tried, I tried.
667
00:37:10,791 --> 00:37:18,541
Like it was funny because my initial list
was Sucker MCs, Rock Box, Beats to Rhymes,
668
00:37:18,750 --> 00:37:20,083
King of Rock, Peter Piper.
669
00:37:20,083 --> 00:37:22,208
They were like, wait a minute, My Adidas
isn't on there.
670
00:37:22,208 --> 00:37:23,375
Mary Mary's not on there.
671
00:37:23,375 --> 00:37:24,375
Here We Go's not on there.
672
00:37:24,375 --> 00:37:25,416
Run's House not on there.
673
00:37:25,416 --> 00:37:27,833
I was like oh my God, I can't do it.
674
00:37:27,958 --> 00:37:28,958
it's tough.
675
00:37:28,958 --> 00:37:30,125
It's like...
676
00:37:30,583 --> 00:37:32,875
I couldn't do it.
677
00:37:32,875 --> 00:37:33,500
favorite children.
678
00:37:33,500 --> 00:37:35,083
We love them all, so.
679
00:37:38,083 --> 00:37:44,666
If I had to go top five, I go with Peter
Piper, King of Rock, Rock Box, Down with
680
00:37:44,666 --> 00:37:46,833
the King, and You Be Illin'.
681
00:37:46,833 --> 00:37:50,958
And just because it's so hilarious, like I
used to sing that all the time.
682
00:37:50,958 --> 00:37:54,583
I had to be like fifth, sixth grade or
something like that.
683
00:37:54,583 --> 00:37:57,958
Me and my friends, we would just sing it
because it was so goofy.
684
00:37:57,958 --> 00:37:59,000
It was so funny.
685
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,500
But again, I'm leaving off Sucker MCs.
686
00:38:00,500 --> 00:38:01,666
Like how can I leave off sucker MCs?
687
00:38:01,666 --> 00:38:05,458
How can I leave off, you know, I left off
Walk This Way and I just think it was
688
00:38:05,458 --> 00:38:12,000
because it was played so much that it's,
you know, I become a little bit
689
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,875
desensitized to the greatness of it.
690
00:38:14,916 --> 00:38:20,291
This documentary really reminded me just
how good Sucker MCs was and you know when
691
00:38:20,291 --> 00:38:32,083
they play it and you hear how DMC's flow
goes with the beat it's like wow it's so
692
00:38:32,083 --> 00:38:36,083
good it's so powerful.
693
00:38:36,625 --> 00:38:39,833
This is the song that got me hooked, man.
694
00:38:39,833 --> 00:38:41,083
I remember it.
695
00:38:41,083 --> 00:38:42,333
Like, man.
696
00:38:42,541 --> 00:38:46,375
Because I got to tell people all the time,
like, the songs before it, like, you know,
697
00:38:46,375 --> 00:38:56,666
Newcleus, Jam On It and, you know,
Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five,
698
00:38:56,875 --> 00:39:03,666
and, you know, and Afrika Bambaataa and the
Zulu Nation.
699
00:39:03,666 --> 00:39:07,833
And even, you know, Sugarhill Gang, you
know, all of those songs had that disco
700
00:39:07,833 --> 00:39:09,416
type flow to it.
701
00:39:09,416 --> 00:39:14,291
It was like a sample of a song or a sample
of a disco song or was disco adjacent.
702
00:39:14,333 --> 00:39:19,416
And here comes this boom, cat, cat, cat,
cat, cat, cat, cat, cat, cat, cat, cat,
703
00:39:19,416 --> 00:39:20,916
cat, cat, cat, cat,
704
00:39:21,041 --> 00:39:23,666
What is that song? What is that?
705
00:39:24,541 --> 00:39:26,041
Everybody went nuts.
706
00:39:26,166 --> 00:39:27,875
The whole ‘hood went nuts around here.
707
00:39:27,875 --> 00:39:29,125
Unbelievable, like we were
708
00:39:29,125 --> 00:39:32,125
on the bus, trying to figure out what they were saying, and
709
00:39:32,333 --> 00:39:36,416
see who could come up with the rest of the
rhyme until we could finally get the first
710
00:39:36,416 --> 00:39:37,083
verse.
711
00:39:37,083 --> 00:39:40,833
And it was like a big success story when
everybody finally was able to say the
712
00:39:40,833 --> 00:39:42,416
first verse in unison.
713
00:39:42,791 --> 00:39:44,708
Like the whole bus was rocking.
714
00:39:46,500 --> 00:39:48,708
Yeah, man.
715
00:39:48,708 --> 00:39:54,083
And Run and DMC, like they still have it.
716
00:39:54,083 --> 00:39:58,708
Like I was fortunate to see them perform
at the Rock the Bells Festival last summer
717
00:39:58,708 --> 00:39:59,875
in August.
718
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,125
Man, oh man, they put on a show and they
are still like in perfect harmony with
719
00:40:04,125 --> 00:40:06,666
each other, picking up where each other
left off.
720
00:40:06,666 --> 00:40:07,666
And they have the energy.
721
00:40:07,666 --> 00:40:10,625
And I'm like, man, they did a great set.
722
00:40:10,916 --> 00:40:13,708
All as many of the classics as they could
fit.
723
00:40:13,916 --> 00:40:14,625
And...
724
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,500
Man, it was great to see them live.
725
00:40:18,208 --> 00:40:22,583
I think Jam Master Jay's son may have been
out there as well, like helping.
726
00:40:22,583 --> 00:40:26,625
I don't know if he was actually DJing, but
he was part of the crew.
727
00:40:28,250 --> 00:40:31,416
Yeah, it's just legendary stuff.
728
00:40:31,666 --> 00:40:32,583
Mm -hmm.
729
00:40:34,833 --> 00:40:40,875
I can't say enough great things about the
group and the documentary is amazing.
730
00:40:40,875 --> 00:40:46,583
Like I said, you have to see this for all
the reasons we mentioned here.
731
00:40:46,833 --> 00:40:48,041
Absolutely.
732
00:40:50,625 --> 00:40:55,916
Any other parting words on kings from
queens?
733
00:40:55,916 --> 00:40:56,875
Just be careful how you Google it.
734
00:40:56,875 --> 00:41:01,583
You might end up with Kevin James coming
up and Leah Remini.
735
00:41:02,666 --> 00:41:07,708
Kings from Queens, not Kings of Queens.
736
00:41:07,708 --> 00:41:08,208
Yeah.
737
00:41:08,208 --> 00:41:10,083
It's like, what's that documentary again?
738
00:41:10,291 --> 00:41:11,458
Kings of Queens?
739
00:41:11,458 --> 00:41:12,375
No, no, no.
740
00:41:12,375 --> 00:41:13,625
That was taken.
741
00:41:15,458 --> 00:41:16,041
Yep.
742
00:41:16,041 --> 00:41:23,833
was one thing that the very, it was almost
at the very end where Rev.
743
00:41:23,833 --> 00:41:27,416
Run is going, you know, he’s sitting in the car,
he's talking about how he'd go out to the
744
00:41:27,416 --> 00:41:29,083
beach every day.
745
00:41:29,208 --> 00:41:33,416
And he said there was one quote regarding
Jam Master Jay.
746
00:41:33,416 --> 00:41:38,333
He said like, all fairy tales end, you'll
see Jay again, my friend.
747
00:41:39,250 --> 00:41:42,291
And I was like, huh, yeah.
That was deep.
748
00:41:42,291 --> 00:41:43,833
It was, yeah.
749
00:41:45,541 --> 00:41:46,458
Yeah.
750
00:41:47,166 --> 00:41:54,416
You can see how Run, Joseph Simmons was
leaning more towards a pious life when
751
00:41:54,416 --> 00:41:54,791
he...
752
00:41:54,791 --> 00:41:59,208
and in Down with the King when he has a
line of the G-O-D be in me then the king I
753
00:41:59,208 --> 00:42:00,000
be.
754
00:42:00,416 --> 00:42:01,958
And he's kind of ...
755
00:42:01,958 --> 00:42:03,583
that kind of like stuck with him.
756
00:42:03,583 --> 00:42:09,208
He's like, yeah, you know, I want to have
that type of impact on people and that
757
00:42:09,208 --> 00:42:11,833
connection with the higher authority.
758
00:42:12,208 --> 00:42:16,833
Yeah, he's been, he was, he's always been
hinting at it his whole life.
759
00:42:16,833 --> 00:42:20,458
Even if you look at, you know, we were
gonna talk about, you know, Krush Groove
760
00:42:20,458 --> 00:42:24,750
is, and Krush Groove's father was in the
church and the minister in the church.
761
00:42:25,083 --> 00:42:28,583
And, you know, I don't think it was his
father.
762
00:42:28,583 --> 00:42:29,666
I didn't realize the actual minister.
763
00:42:29,666 --> 00:42:32,750
I'm not sure, but that was actually his
dad that played him in the movie.
764
00:42:32,750 --> 00:42:33,958
Funny.
765
00:42:34,083 --> 00:42:38,708
But yeah, he's always kind of walked that
line of like, I, you know, am I gonna do
766
00:42:38,708 --> 00:42:38,833
it?
767
00:42:38,833 --> 00:42:39,625
Am I not gonna?
768
00:42:39,625 --> 00:42:40,833
So when he did it, it wasn't.
769
00:42:40,833 --> 00:42:43,625
Like nobody was really surprised, you
know?
770
00:42:45,291 --> 00:42:47,250
Did you guys watch any of his reality
show?
771
00:42:47,250 --> 00:42:50,833
I didn't really catch much of it.
772
00:42:50,958 --> 00:42:51,666
Mm-hmm.
773
00:42:51,666 --> 00:42:52,666
I didn’t.
774
00:42:52,833 --> 00:42:54,791
Yeah.
775
00:42:54,791 --> 00:42:56,625
Or was it called Run's House?
776
00:42:56,708 --> 00:42:57,166
Or...
777
00:42:57,166 --> 00:42:58,083
Run's House, yeah.
778
00:42:58,083 --> 00:42:59,083
House.
779
00:43:00,583 --> 00:43:06,375
There's a great reference to Run's House
in Dogma with Matt Damon and Ben Affleck.
780
00:43:06,625 --> 00:43:08,416
It sticks with me still.
781
00:43:11,625 --> 00:43:12,250
Definitely a good one.
782
00:43:12,250 --> 00:43:13,791
Definitely a good one.
783
00:43:14,291 --> 00:43:17,875
Yeah, it's one you can rewatch too.
784
00:43:17,875 --> 00:43:22,125
This is on the Peacock network or Peacock
streaming service.
785
00:43:22,875 --> 00:43:26,250
Do we want to bring this funky flick back?
786
00:43:29,166 --> 00:43:32,500
We don't even need to.
787
00:43:32,791 --> 00:43:33,500
Yeah.
788
00:43:33,500 --> 00:43:34,000
-brainer.
789
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:34,291
Yeah.
790
00:43:34,291 --> 00:43:35,875
that's a no-brainer right here.
791
00:43:36,291 --> 00:43:39,291
If you can't figure out that we're
bringing this funky flick back then.
792
00:43:39,291 --> 00:43:40,833
Hahaha!
793
00:43:43,666 --> 00:43:45,125
Yeah, you weren't listening.
794
00:43:45,125 --> 00:43:46,375
yeah, exactly.
795
00:43:46,375 --> 00:43:47,250
Yeah.
796
00:43:47,916 --> 00:43:51,208
Sharpen your comprehension skills a little
bit.
797
00:43:53,708 --> 00:43:58,000
you had any doubt, you'd be illin'.
798
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,083
You'd be illin', man.
799
00:44:15,208 --> 00:44:19,916
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800
00:44:19,916 --> 00:44:22,291
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801
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802
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811
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,958
And remember, don't hate, captivate.
812
00:44:54,958 --> 00:44:56,791
Ooooo
813
00:44:57,708 --> 00:44:59,958
Just like Run DMC did.
814
00:45:00,458 --> 00:45:02,000
Captivate the world.
815
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,208
Absolutely.