>> Speaker A: What's, uh, up? This is Charles Kelly from Lady A, and you're

listening to Chasing Birdies.

>> Jonathan: Man, if I had some pipes like our

guest today, Charles Kelly on Chasing Birdies, I would

sing the intro to you, Pep. I would just sing it

loud and clear, but unfortunately I don't have pipes, so.

>> RB: Why don't you sing it?

>> Jonathan: I can't do it. I can't do it. But I am happy to be here today and

I'm happy you guys are tuning into this week's episode

of Chase and Birdies. What's up, Pepsi?

>> RB: What's up, bud?

>> Jonathan: Yeah, I just asked you if you had a little rough night last night,

but apparently you didn't.

>> RB: No, I'm all good. I went to bed around 9:00.

Didn't sleep like me, but yeah, I didn't sleep

great. But, uh, you know, we did have a great time

in Nashville on Wednesday. Um,

and we'll get into that a little

bit.

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>> Jonathan: Well, uh, yeah, I'm not talking about them anymore.

I've talked about them three different times, but you know how I feel.

They're great. We got some stocking stuffers going to be

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Some awesome tumblers, actually.

They're, in fact, the reason why I wanted to do it

is because I had one before and I'm like, these little things

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they look great. They're modern tumblers. Nomad tumblers are what

they're called, so we'll be dropping those here

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>> RB: I haven't seen.

>> Jonathan: So for coffee drinkers or for guys that like to maybe put

something cold in their cups in the morning, it'll keep

it cold, keep it warm.

It's pretty good. But one thing that's not really changing around here too

much recently is the weather. I mean, we've been blessed with some warm

weather. And when we traveled down to Nashville

last week, you know, that that was the

Achilles heel of that trip, unfortunately, was the weather did not

cooperate for us at Old

Hickory Golf Club. And I

gotta say I did, I did refer to Old

Hickory as Country Club in the

interview.

>> RB: Mhm.

>> Jonathan: And I believe it's just Old Hickory Golf Club.

>> RB: Yes, Golf club.

>> Jonathan: So I apologize if I offend anybody, which I know I

won't. But I did refer to it

as Old Hickory Country Club. But it is Old Hickory

Golf Club. That was fun, bud. That was fun.

>> RB: It was a lot of fun. And thank you to um,

Amelia from playing through for helping out with all

this. Um, she did some behind the

scenes work for us on set, which is great.

Um, some video work and photos and things

like that that we weren't able to do otherwise.

Production crew that she.

>> Jonathan: Yep.

>> RB: I mean, production crew. But they brought a whole truck. Like

I guess that's how it's supposed to be done. Right. And then you

know what we had, we had the video

three days after. Two days after.

>> Jonathan: Yeah.

>> RB: And you know, I post other people that I'm waiting for

video from July.

>> Jonathan: So, um, I feel you. It was

unbelievable. But it was funny. What? Standing around

there, we were debating where we going to go play golf or not. After

we did the interview with Charles and you know, the

weather was kind of dicey, but Tyler Reeve was ready to go.

My man had both gloves on, standing in a clubhouse, the wet

gloves, he was ready to go. We were knocking around some,

some, some chip shots. And then, uh, and

then Santa Claus showed up. Well, Santa Claus as

in John Daly.

>> RB: Yeah. John Daley showed up. One armed, one handed

chip shots. I tried

it first one hosel rocketed,

missed a lamp by,

I'd say an inch.

>> Jonathan: You did. That was fun.

>> RB: And then the next one though appeared. So you know what,

um, but yeah, JD Was on set,

Tyler Reeve, Charles Kelly,

we're all chipping. Balls are flying everywhere.

Uh, you chipped one in when the camera wasn't on. Of course.

>> Jonathan: I know, I know. How about that? That's just my luck.

Um, but then we moseyed onto coarse, played a little bit.

And the funny thing is, I don't know if we're going to see this,

but we did do a long drive contest.

>> RB: Mhm.

>> Jonathan: On number five.

>> RB: Yeah.

>> Jonathan: Um, @ Old Hickory. And needless, uh, to

say, none of us hit the fairway. You had Cole Taylor's house.

>> RB: I hit one off Cole Taylor's house. Yeah.

>> Jonathan: Tyler snap, hooked it, almost went ob.

And uh, I put it in a bunker. But

that was fun. That was a good day. See, that kind of shit is like

entertaining. And you know, I don't

know if it's as entertaining as watching Mike

Tyson and Jake Paul fight.

>> RB: Well, you forgot that that night,

though, dude, we. We were sitting around the table passing

guitars around. Well, they were passing guitars.

>> Jonathan: Yeah.

>> RB: And we had little Skinny there. We had

JD There, John Daly, Tyler

Reeve. And then Grayson

Russell came on set, which,

for those of you that don't know, Grayson

Russell was the little redhead

kid in Talladega Knights Ricky

Bobby that said.

She asked me what the capital North Carolina was, and I told her

Washington, D.C. and I'm sitting here in my pee pan still

that kid. Now, as an adult,

I'd say 24, 25 years old. Makes me feel so

old. But he was also jamming on the

guitar with us as well.

>> Jonathan: He was.

>> RB: It was a blast that night. I got

intoxicated, naturally. And

you had to drive us home.

>> Jonathan: Did you say untoxicated or intoxicated?

>> RB: Intoxicated.

>> Jonathan: You did? Yeah. Yeah, I took the will, bud.

I had your back. I had no idea. Well, you're

asking me about this movie, and it's like, I. I've not watched that

movie straight through. I mean, I've seen.

>> RB: I mean, which again, is, like, mind blowing.

But, uh, whatever. I mean, it was on TNT

on Saturday. It's like. It's literally your

fingertips.

>> Jonathan: Okay, but listen, it's like I. You know, I

don't. I have a hard time sitting there. All right? So I

felt bad. I didn't, you know, but it was. It was

nice meeting the kid. He can sing and play the

guitar.

>> RB: Um, that song he was singing, I love that.

It was real upbeat.

>> Jonathan: It was upbeat, Valentine.

>> RB: Some of us maybe need to listen to it.

>> Jonathan: All right. Yep. That's right. But it's not out

yet. But we heard it. What would you. How much would it take you to get in

a ring and fight Tyson or Jake

Paul?

>> RB: I don't know, but I.

Mike Tyson's legs, man. I know. My legs can move faster

than his. I feel like. I feel like

if his legs were moving a little bit would have been a better fight,

obviously. Um, but I also feel like

Logan Paul laid off the. Laid off the.

>> Jonathan: Beat off the gas a little bit.

>> Speaker A: Yeah.

>> RB: I mean, he could have. There was a couple times where he could

have just.

>> Jonathan: Yeah.

>> RB: Plowed him.

>> Jonathan: Yeah. Right. Yeah.

So that happened. And,

uh. Yeah, that happened. And I didn't watch

it, but peace.

>> RB: I love the 19th Society post with

where Tyson gave the guy a kiss on the cheek and he turned

around, he had a thong on.

>> Jonathan: Yeah, it. Jockstrap.

>> RB: Yeah. I was laughing so hard.

>> Jonathan: Yeah, that's so funny, dude.

>> RB: Um, but Hilarious.

Today's episode, Charles Kelly from Lady

A. I mean, we get into a

lot. I, I would say this is the deepest conversation

we've had.

>> Jonathan: It's a good one.

>> RB: We get into sobriety. Lady, a

golfing Augusta national,

um, kind of all kinds of stuff.

So he. Again, thank you to

Charles Kelly for taking time out of his busy

day, scooting across Nashville to see.

To be with us, sat on set. He was,

he was awesome with his time. He chipped with us for a little bit. He

was really wanting to go out and play and get some B roll, but, huh.

It just wasn't. It was raining pretty good,

so.

>> Jonathan: So we'll make up for that. But you guys tuning in today,

we're going to take this thing on over to Charles

Kelly here on Chasing

Birdies.

All right, y'all out there tuning in today to this week's

episode of Chasing Birdies. And we're doing a little

things differently this week. Uh, we are shooting this

episode from Old Hickory Country

Club in Nashville, Tennessee. And

we are joined by, I mean, a

guy that has Grammys, a guy that can swing

the stick. Charles Kelly from Lady A joining us

here. My man, thanks for coming on the show, man.

>> Speaker A: I love it. I like to show up and have a cigar waiting

ready for me. This is, this is a treat.

>> RB: And we got.

>> Speaker A: Got the train blowing in the back.

>> RB: It's as we drew it up for you.

>> Jonathan: Uh, we're out, we're outside. And this is what.

>> Speaker A: This is God's country.

>> Jonathan: This is it, man.

>> RB: I do have to say, Charles, um, showed up to the,

to the, um, podcast with a nice little

cup here.

>> Speaker A: Well, yeah, Pine Valley Valley for all.

>> RB: You that will never see it. That's what the logo looks like. This is.

>> Speaker A: I used to, when I would go to, you know, kind of some of these

bucket list golf courses, I would get like a golf shirt.

And I, uh, just. Who needs another golf shirt, right?

Like, I need to get like, coffee mugs.

So I've got, I've got like, mugs from all my favorite places,

like the national or, you know, Oakmont or something like

that.

>> RB: And that's the thing.

>> Jonathan: They're useful, though.

>> RB: They are useful. And. But the thing is, he's right about the golf

shirts because you go, you get a golf shirt, you wear it for

a year. We've gotten to the point where my wife literally will

say, you bring one home, um, your ones. One's leaving.

>> Speaker A: It's brilliant. You got to.

>> RB: And she's right, because there's ones that just get Keep getting

pushed to the back. Pushed to the back.

>> Speaker A: And so there it

is. Daily's coming in strong. This is Daily spot right

here. Yeah, Daily owns this.

>> Jonathan: We're. We're at Uncle John's spot.

And that son of a. Is rolling in.

That's an hour.

>> RB: Perfect.

>> Speaker A: It's a long black train rolling

down the tracks.

>> Jonathan: Yeah, there is.

>> RB: So, um, you get to go to a lot of these places and,

and play golf and hang with some cool

people. And you know, one of our friends, mutual friends

reached to us. John Bryan from Oakland Country Club.

>> Speaker A: Jb.

>> RB: Jb, the legend.

>> Jonathan: He is a legend.

>> RB: He said you guys were dominating that member Guest.

>> Speaker A: We did really good.

>> RB: And then what happened?

>> Speaker A: Uh, I probably got too drunk, to be honest with you.

>> RB: He said there was a big rain delay.

>> Speaker A: There was.

>> RB: And then he was telling us all about how you went to the

Clark's concert at, uh, someone's house and you got up

there.

>> Speaker A: I got up there, yeah. That was, uh, that was back in my

drinking days. I remember any member guest was

like my excuse to

literally just turn into a frat guy again.

And so, uh, those days, probably one of the biggest reasons I had to stop

drinking was golf trips.

Come, um, home from that. My wife was like, yeah, you got an issue.

Yeah, uh, but no, I remember that that was one of the most fun places

because, like, a lot of these really nice courses, as you know, can get

a little stuffy. Oakmont's not like that. That member guest. I mean,

we pulled out guitars at the end of the night on the

porch at Oakmont. Yeah, you're like putting off the,

you know, putting off the, uh, porch down

there. Like, it's, it's one of the best

memberships. So like a top 10 chorus out

there.

>> Jonathan: So it sounds like you stayed at the Gate House.

>> Speaker A: I did, yeah.

>> Jonathan: Yeah, the Gate House, which we have. Just like you were

describing it, man. Porch next to the green. Get the guitars

out.

>> Speaker A: Yeah, it was unbelievable.

>> RB: M. We had George Burge there with us and

jb.

>> Jonathan: Yeah.

>> RB: And Burgie pulled out the guitar back there and it

was, it's just you're.

You're top five golf course in the country

listening to a guitar and people are putting like, what else do you need in

this?

>> Speaker A: Uh, it's a beast of a golf course too. I remember that member guest too,

because, like we were playing with some guys in the first hole. As

you know, it's one of the craziest greens. Straight downhill,

fast. And I had this like

40, um, maybe 50 foot

birdie putt long. And I was like, I'm just

trying to cozy it down there. Of course, it goes in for birdie

in the first hole, and, like, the guys were playing with, like, this guy's not a

5 handicap. Then I proceed to go like, bogey,

bogey. You know, you got it back. You know,

it's.

It's like this was. That was just a fluke. But

it's, uh. It's. It's such a difficult golf course, though.

Like, if you can keep it in, play is very

playable. But, like, you're out of. You're out of the fairway. Uh,

you're hacking that little thing. It's a beast.

>> RB: And that's the thing, too. Your 10 handicappers that

go there. And it is a very difficult golf course. But if you

can just take your medicine and punch out of the bunker and

take a bogey, double max. These people

are trying to hit them out, trying to get on the green. Like, on one,

that left bunker. You can't get there.

>> Speaker A: Yeah, you can't.

>> Jonathan: So we, um. It doesn't help that

JB's part owner in a brewing company.

>> Speaker A: Oh, yeah.

>> Jonathan: As well.

>> Speaker A: Yep.

>> Jonathan: So that night at Oakmont, you know, he had the beers

going. And Pep and I are on that putting green.

Putting. And here comes some regular Joe

walking around with these Skittles. But they weren't

Skittles.

>> RB: Oh, my God.

>> Jonathan: So we're like, sure, why not?

And that night was just one for the memory book, man.

>> RB: I mean, I think the guy said, if you take two, you'll feel all right.

If you take three, you'll feel better. If you take four, you'll feel really

good. Well, uh, give me three.

>> Speaker A: Why not six then?

>> Jonathan: Let's try it out. Let's see what happens.

>> Speaker A: That's funny.

>> Jonathan: But the whole course now, I mean, with. With the US Open

being held there in June, um, a lot of

the remodeling has. Has taken

shape now. And, uh, they say

it's. It's going to be a challenge for

the players.

>> Speaker A: Oh, I'm sure. I mean, well, I know they were one of those first

courses to kind of go back to removing all those trees.

You know, it's funny. That's kind of the new trend.

Speaking of that, you know, I'm from Augusta, and, uh, my

buddy was sending me some of these drone shots that they had taken over

there, apparently on, like, 13. I mean,

it is. It is Augusta national, so I wouldn't be surprised

if by the time the tournament over, half of them already

replanted. But he said from 13T, you

can see 13 green, you know, that big dog

and that, you know, there's all those trees over there. So I, I'm

actually, I can't wait to just see it. I mean, they're gonna make it

pristine, but. But it. I wouldn't be surprised

though, if it does look a little bit different if you there

before, because, I mean, you can replace. I mean, there's got to

be 2,000 trees that got knocked down.

>> Jonathan: Yeah. And those trees weren't young.

>> RB: Yeah, I, I just played. I just went down the Sage Valley

with, um, Cole Taylor, Tyler

Reeve and Ray Fulcher, and we had a

caddy from. That was a caddy in Augusta too. And I said, how's the

course? And. And he said that 12

got destroyed.

>> Speaker A: Yeah.

>> RB: In the storm. And 16 green is

not good at all.

>> Speaker A: Yeah.

>> RB: But he said they look perfect now.

>> Speaker A: Oh, don't worry. Those guys, it's unbelievable. I mean, remember that

one, uh, the one year, probably two, three years ago, where that

tree fell down, missed a guy and missed a guy

and literally, uh, an hour later it's

gone. And like, you know, you can't even turn.

>> RB: Lundquist is behind there with Tiger. Remember when he.

>> Speaker A: It's pretty wild.

>> Jonathan: I also heard on that, on that point of Augusta,

like when Bubble won. Was that in

2012 or he won twice, maybe whenever

he hit that dog leg, remember he blew away. Right. But then hit that hook.

>> RB: Ten. He had ten. The wedge shot.

>> Jonathan: Did they plant a tree there? So that.

>> Speaker A: That's what they said Again, I don't know. I, um.

>> Jonathan: That's what I heard.

>> Speaker A: Yeah. I don't know. It's a. It's wild. It's visualized to

actually see what he pulled off one. You had to be a

lefty to pull that off.

>> Jonathan: Yeah.

>> Speaker A: But even then, but with a pitching wedge. Pitch, wedge. I mean,

it's astonishing in the fact that the ball actually

ended up on the other side. It wasn't even like it was

15ft left. It was 15. It ended up like spinning in 150.

Right. That guy's one of the most creative golfers.

>> Jonathan: Yeah.

>> Speaker A: Unbelievable.

>> Jonathan: Yeah. No, that's the dad. That place. They'll have

it. They'll have it ready to go.

>> Speaker A: Oh, they'll have it dialed in. I mean, it's going to be, it's going to be great.

I do know that buddy of mine, uh, again, being from down there, I

get the whole, you know, scoop. The scoop. I

mean, they keep it pretty hush hush, um, but like I get a

little Bit of the scoop, but apparently like 16, like

even for the member play, when they've just opened it up or they're.

Yeah, like that one's not ready yet. Uh, so they're making people skip that.

>> Jonathan: So did you ever want to just sneak in there? Like

growing up?

>> Speaker A: Growing up, I never got invited to play

until after I started playing music.

>> RB: Which is, you know, seven Grammys will do that.

>> Speaker A: No, but it helps because. Well, and we do a lot of, we do a lot

of, um, I do a lot of, you know, charity shows and everything's

in town and there's a lot of great members, local members that I've gotten to

know and you know, they might be a part of the charity event and

they'll say, hey, here, you coming to town? You want to go play? I'm like,

yep, I'll be there. That was, that's

been a really, you know, cool opportunity. I mean, I think,

I mean there's all these bucket list courses I've gotten to play are because of

music. And um, it's just been so amazing. And some of my,

I've made some of my closest friendships like jb, just

people that normally I would not, you know, end

up meeting. I get to get these great friendships with.

They, every time we come in town, their family comes, I check in. You

know, like, you just can't, you can't replace that.

But um, but yes, growing up

we always talked about wanting to do that, like hopping over the fence.

But I worked it. I, when I, uh, I think I was

15, I did the, I worked the range.

Um, we would steal golf balls. And I remember one

like after, like the third day, like one of the

guys, uh, you know, that was kind of running the whole,

you know, range. The department was like, guys, I know

it's tempting and listen, I don't blame you all for

grabbing a couple balls, you know, these pro V ones

and um, the Belladas back then. But

um, they were like, you know, just a couple.

Like, I mean, we were stuffing these things

all over because, you know, they had the Masters logo and it's

like, it's unbelievable. I mean, you know, you're a 15 year old kid

and get free golf balls. But, uh, it was wild.

I mean, get to like drop off a bag of balls,

you know, right down to Tiger woods and watch all these

people. VJ seeing, you know, just these

world class golfers up close and

personal is one of the coolest experiences of my life.

>> RB: So we have a guy from Pittsburgh, Nathan

Smith. Are you familiar with that? Name? He

won, uh, I know for sure two US mid

AMs, maybe three. But he's played in three

masters, and his. His parents

have a house somewhere in South Carolina to where

when he won, he got to play leading up to the

event. Well, Nathan was a financial

advisor, I think,

went and lived with his family

leading up to the Masters. So every day he was driving over, uh,

to play, it got to a point where they

said, hey, uh, you've seen the course and you've seen it. Yeah,

you're done here.

>> Speaker A: So, yeah, you have to be. You know,

again, I've been really fortunate just being from that town

and getting to play with some of the different members, but I even am kind

of. I'm pretty conscious of making sure

I don't, you know, and it's also how you ask if

you can't ask. I usually don't ever ask, but, um.

But, you know, I'll get to play it probably every other year, which has been great.

I've played it probably eight times, which has just been unbelievable.

Again, being from there helps.

>> Jonathan: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

>> Speaker A: Um, one of the coolest experiences, though, I got to play with,

uh, we did. So I've got two older brothers that are great

golfers. Um, my oldest brother John actually played at

Wake and did some, what, years. Uh, he's ten

years older than me, so back when, like, you know, 90 to

94. And he was. He was like their number two, three

golfer while he was there. And he did some,

um, some of the mini tours and stuff. And, you know, now he's in,

um, real estate, but he,

uh. Um, anyways, we got to go down there

and got, um, to know, like, Eli Manning a little bit and Peyton, and

we did a Kelly Brothers versus the Manning

brothers out there at the chorus and gotta have dinner

all together, and it was really cool.

>> RB: Well, Eli just got in.

>> Speaker A: I know, I know. Eli just got in, which is great.

See, that's the kind of guy I feel like I could actually text.

>> Jonathan: Yeah.

>> Speaker A: Hey, man, I'd love to. You know, some of the other guys, I'm like,

it's just one of those unspoken roles. It's like, listen, you

let me know.

>> Jonathan: Yeah.

>> Speaker A: And. But, um. But with Eli, I think. I think we're close

to where I could text and be like, hey, man, yeah, I got some time

in November.

>> Jonathan: I'm going back home for a weekend.

>> RB: I'm going home for two weeks.

>> Speaker A: I'll. I'll. I'll get us a plane if, uh, you want

to come pick you up. Yeah, I was Thinking Sage

Valley. But if you'd rather go play Augusta.

>> Jonathan: Nashville, if it's easy for you, if you need to show

your face, I'm down. Yeah.

>> Speaker A: I actually said growing up there, it's funny is,

um, I grew up on this course called Westlake,

and I have not played Westlake since

high school, which is crazy. I don't know why I haven't. But

I told my buddy I was like, I said, maybe

even more because I've now gotten to play the National. I

almost think I would honestly have more fun going through memory

lane, going to play this little home court course that I grew up on. So next time

I get back in Augusta, we're going to do that with my brothers. I mean,

we had this little house on seven and

um, I mean, almost every day towards, you

know, after school, like, once most of the groups went

through, we would start on like the mid,

um, you know, in the middle of the fairway on seven and then it would

curl around to eight and we would just take

like one club and do the one club challenge and like play

those little holes. And somebody, some,

some neighbor would always call and say, there's kids out here playing, you know,

but.

>> RB: Gotta ruin it, huh?

>> Speaker A: But I gotta go back and do that. That's one of those little

nostalgic, it is things I gotta go do.

>> RB: So coming from Augusta, Georgia now, uh,

living in Nashville, Tennessee, obviously you're

here because of music. How'd that

all transpire? I know everybody has a story that we've talked

to from Nashville, who we've become close with a lot of people

in Nashville. But what's your story and how did

you get to Nashville?

>> Speaker A: It's wild, man. I mean, I, you know, I was a pretty

button up, you know, growing up in Georgia. I mean, it

was khaki pants, polo shirt,

you know, and. But I always loved music. I grew up loving, uh,

golf. I grew up. I was a pretty good little junior golfer. When

I say junior, I mean really junior, like from like 8 years

old to like 12. And then, I mean, I

was lucky enough. Like when I was 10, I won the future Masters in

Dothan. And then when I was 11, I won the, the north south at

Pinehurst. Yeah. And, um, and then I really

was a better golfer at 11, 12 than I am now, which is

embarrassing. But, but, but my

older brother John came back from college, so he was, you know,

10 years older than Josh and I, and

he would always bring back all this music and stuff. And he brought back a

guitar one time and I think you

know, Josh and I were like, 11 or 12, and Josh started picking

up guitar, and. And I was like, man,

I'm. I want to start playing, too. And so I end up kind of

banging on this old snare drum my mom had. Next

thing you know, we, uh. This is a cool

story. Talk about how music and golf,

the connection of it, really led me to where I

am. I created this, like,

makeshift drum set out of my mom's

snare drum. And then I took one of those old, like, popcorn tins,

you know, with the three different popcorns.

>> Jonathan: Yeah, yeah.

>> Speaker A: And I put a trapper keeper little, like,

clear cover over it, duct taped

it, and had, like, a little, you know,

floor tom. And so. And then I took these, like,

plastic little plates and made, like, this high hat with it.

And so I had this little makeshift drum set. And we used to rent our house

out for masters every year. My mom was a single mom, so that, like,

we relied on this, like, four or five

grand every year that you get that weekend

to, like, you know, help sustain my, you know,

us through. Through that year. Well, anyways,

before we're getting ready for the house,

my mom, like, it's like, you got to put up the drum set. Well,

she, like, of course I didn't do it. And she

proceeds to, like, go up there and just destroy it, tear everything up,

put it into the, you know, attic. Well, I come

back afterwards and, you know, I'm like 11 years old, and I just

cry. I'm like. I'm just, like, pitching a fit.

She goes, get in the car. We drive down

the music store. She buys me a set of drums, buys

my brother a guitar and an amp. She takes all the masters money

that we made, buys us this stuff. Next

year, we're in cover bands, blah, blah, blah, blah,

blah. Fast forward to college. My brother

ends up getting a record deal out of college. Josh Kelly

playing, you know, gets signed to Hollywood Records, and

he's the reason I moved to Nashville. I saw

him have success, and I was

like, wow, it can be done, you know, because it always seemed

like kind of a. It just was something fun I did. You know, it was like,

I'm going to go. Went to Georgia. And I was like, I'm going to

be, you know, some sort of business guy. I don't know what. But

I studied finance, and I was like, it's music's going to

be my fun party trick at a wedding. I'm going to hop up and sing,

you know, Solana Richie.

>> Jonathan: Cool.

>> Speaker A: And so seeing him have success Was like,

wow, I can do this. And so when I graduated, um,

college, I worked a little bit for my oldest brother John,

in Winston Salem, and was just miserable. And Josh

said, man, I've been spending a lot of time in Nashville.

You should move to Nashville, give it a shot. And so I told myself,

I'm going to give myself two years. If it doesn't happen, I'll

move to Atlanta. I'll get a regular job. But I was like, I'm going to give myself two

years. And lucky. I mean, just all the

stars aligned. The first few months were tough, but I started meeting

people. Met Hillary, um, Scott out at a

bar. We started writing. Dave Haywood moved up

from Atlanta to Nashville and lived in this house,

um, that Josh had for us.

And within, I think, three or four

months of starting the span, we had a record deal. It was crazy now.

>> Jonathan: And, yeah, that's.

>> Speaker A: It was. It was. I mean, being in this town now, I realize

how rare and random that was. I

mean, I was here probably a year and a half. Dave was

here less than a year before having a rain.

>> Jonathan: And did you know Dave prior to.

>> Speaker A: Yeah, we grew up together. He was. He, uh. He always

played in, like, young life in, like, the youth groups. He was the good

kid. And I was, like, part of the. We would go to, like, young life to,

like, see the girls. We'd show up hammered, you know, at

16, 17 years old, you know, playing Christian songs, and

we're, like, buzzing. Um, but he was

always so talented. I always just knew I was like, this guy's

so talented. And so we were close, but I wouldn't say we were,

like, best friends, but I remember kind of

writing a few songs just for fun with him a little bit

in, uh, college. Um,

and so anyways, I moved to Nashville. I called him up and I said,

man, I don't know anybody in this town. I said, I just remember

you, like, being so talented

and just, you know, can play every instrument. I said,

would you ever want to just, like, come down on the weekends in

Nashville?

And so he would come down some, or I'd drive up to Atlanta

on the weekends and we'd start writing. And we started,

you know, it just started clicking, but it really didn't start

clicking till we met Hillary. That's when we had a sound.

Yeah, you know, I was probably going to chase, like, a solo thing,

and Dave and I, uh, ride them all together and produce it. But,

like, Hillary was that missing link of,

like, now we have a sound, you know, and it was

very, like, you know, we were chasing that country, Fleetwood Mac

things.

>> RB: Yeah. Because it's getting everything.

>> Speaker A: Getting the sirens. We're getting it all.

>> Jonathan: We got.

>> Speaker A: Thing about these mics, though, they're so they. They don't pick up much.

>> Jonathan: Yeah, they'll. Yeah, we got American Airlines. We got.

>> Speaker A: Yeah, you got American trains.

>> Jonathan: We got trains.

Um, but I'm interested in you, in your

music of choice. Genre, generally speaking, you

know, was the country in everything. Everything.

>> Speaker A: I love everything.

>> Jonathan: Everything.

>> Speaker A: I mean, I'm literally in the middle of making

another solo record that's very, like, 80s

pop rock. I just am just. I love everything.

I mean, when, uh, we grow up playing music,

my dad was a big country music fan. My mom was big R and

B. And then my oldest siblings. I had older sister, too,

that was also, you know, 10 or 11 years older. You

know, they'd bring home Dave Matthews, Led

Zeppelin, you know, R.E.M.

whatever was happening at the time.

>> Jonathan: He's alternative was.

>> Speaker A: So. I mean, I played in cover bands from

pretty much when I was 13 years old till up through

high school, and we would play, you know, a Garth Brooks

song, then turn around and play Lana Richie, then turn around, play

Nirvana, then turn around and play, you know, any.

It just. It was. It was all of it. And so I think

naturally, that did kind of, you know,

kind of get into my sound. But I do think my voice

has always felt, you know, I feel like there's a little

tinge of that. That Bob Seegerish thing that I've always been

chasing, you know, kind of getting that grittier

feel. Um, but. But again, Hillary

kind of her voice and her texture, I think, really

brought my voice into the genre a little bit

too, you know, and then Dave just rounds it out beautifully with his

harmony.

>> Jonathan: Yeah, it's. It's a really

good trio.

>> RB: Yeah. I mean, uh, my first experience with you live was

at Nem Colon for the Playing through. Oh,

yeah. And I walked away. I'm like,

you can sing. You know, not that I didn't think you

could before, but, like, seeing it live is completely different. It's like watching a

PGA Tour player hit a ball in person. You're like, wow.

Yeah, sounds a little different.

>> Speaker A: No, I appreciate it, man. I love. I just love doing it. I

really do. I mean, we've been a band now for, you know,

17, 18 years. It just doesn't get old. It's the greatest

job. I mean, it has its ups and downs, right? It has its.

>> RB: It's everything, though.

>> Speaker A: It has its huge disappointments, but it has its Huge

highlights. And you know, for me, I think the whole

journey of all of it, um,

now looking back, I could just appreciate it all. I

mean, I think when we were at our height, you know,

around need you now was probably the most chaotic

and unnerving feeling I've ever had

because it's just like, what is this train we're on?

And it's almost looking back at it now, I can appreciate it more than

even in the moment. So I think that's been probably my biggest

realization is just really just living in

the present, enjoying the, just the fact that you get to wake up

and do what you love to do. And now I feel like I've got such a good balance

where I, you know, we don't kill ourselves on the road. I get to play a

little golf.

>> Jonathan: Yeah.

>> Speaker A: I get to, you know, hang out and watch my 8 year old boy

grow up. So it's, it's, it's a fun little spot to be.

>> Jonathan: Yeah, your other life's kind of progressing. You know, you're

established in your main career and it kind of

opens doors for you to really just kind of dig in deep

and be happy for you.

Um, was there ever a point where

you thought the name change was going to negatively

adversely affect the band at all?

>> Speaker A: It's a tough, it's a tough spot. You know,

we had obviously no, there was no ill

intention with this name. It was absolutely not. You know, it's one of those things

you drive around in August, you drive around in Nashville, you see these

antebellum homes. I thought it sounded kind of beautiful and

graceful. I don't think I'd ever or any of us had

ever thought about it being some, some sort of

association with, um, you know,

anything of that kind of, uh,

slavery type of feel. But I can see it now,

you know, looking back, and I think it was one of those things where you just, you

live and you learn. And I think for us, we didn't want it. We

didn't. I never wanted to be. I was almost more

afraid of us keeping the name and someone thinking we

were representing or trying to hold on to some idea.

And to us it's always just been about the music. And we love everybody.

I mean we truly like that. It just could not,

we could not be any further from,

from those types of people in uh, our

hearts and who we are. And so for us, you know, everyone was calling us

lady anyways. Um, you know, we got, we got a lot of shit for

it from, from both sides and I, I think you

would. Just, way I look at it is you have to be in our

shoes. And for us, we wanted it to always be about the music. And I never

want anyone ever to feel

uncomfortable or think that we're representing something

that we're not. And I think that's really what it is. But. But it is. It's

such a. It's such a divisive concept.

And that whole woke thing and people, you know, it just gets into this

whole conversation where I'm like, we're just all trying

to do our best. I'm, um. You know, for us, we just wanted people

to know where our hearts were and,

um, you know, and just keep it about the music.

>> RB: That's all you want to do is play good music and enjoy. Exactly.

>> Jonathan: Have a cigar.

>> Speaker A: And I've never been a very big political guy. We talk about. With this election

all coming through, I'm.

>> RB: Just like, man, thank God it's over.

>> Speaker A: I can't. I just can't live in those worlds. I can't,

man. And I feel like we all have different

opinions, but we all want the same thing. We

all. We all want, you know,

we want to get out there, work hard, be rewarded, and we want to

take care of our families. We want to do stuff. But the end of the day,

I mean, you're never going to make everybody happy.

And again, maybe it's just growing up a little bit and

learning sobriety has helped me a lot with. This is

like, there is always

going to be something that any of us do that someone's not going to

like. You just have to just trust your heart in it. And that's what we

did with that. And that's what I continue to just do and go,

I'm making the best decision that I feel I

can in this moment. And, uh, that's all you can

do.

>> RB: So out of all the many hits that

you have, I mean, was there ever one

that you guys wrote, and you're kind of like, this isn't going

to be it. And it was it.

>> Speaker A: I didn't know hey Bartender was going to be so big. Uh, that one,

when we first wrote that, I was like, this is fun. It's a cool live song,

you know, because we were known for songs like Run to youo and need

you Now a little bit more of that kind of deeper,

you know, type of material. And.

But as we started touring, you know, we were

like, okay, we need some bangers. And so we're like, all right. We were like,

really, like, we trying our hardest to Write some bangers.

And we wrote, uh, hey bartender while we're on the bus driving to

a show, uh, Rodney Clause. And I remember going, that's a

cool song. Of course, play, you know, the first six

songs for the label and they're like, holy crap, that's the one that's the hit. And

I said, I don't know, guys. Really? And sure enough, it's like

probably our second or third biggest song, you know?

>> Jonathan: Um, that's crazy.

>> Speaker A: You never know. I mean, the craziest thing about need you now is we almost

didn't cut it. It was a little. We

had this crappy little work tape that we had that we

had, you know, on our computer at the time.

And we didn't quite have the harmonies worked out. You know, we knew it was kind of a

back and forth duet, but we had all these like

fully fledged, beautiful sounding demos.

And so compared to it, it just didn't sound like much.

And I remember we're in this song meeting with our label and I was like, there's one

more song just to cover my basis. I want to play

for y'all. And, um, these two girls in the A

and R department, Autumn house, and, uh, Melissa

Spillman were like, that's badass. And we're like,

really? That's badass. All right, we'll try it. And then when

we recorded it, we knew it was something special. We didn't think

it was what it was, but we knew it was like.

Honestly, if I'm being honest, I thought it was going to be like my.

Like there's always that favorite track on a record that's never a single. That's what I

thought it would be. And, uh, it just was one of those things

that, you know, just kind of took off.

>> Jonathan: I mean, that just shows you, like, you could plan for things your

whole life.

>> RB: Never know.

>> Jonathan: But what's going to happen is going to happen.

>> Speaker A: What's going to happen is going to happen in certain things. It's timing,

it's. It's where everything is. I just.

I don't know when the stars align.

Um, you know, I think about that all the time.

Like, I wonder if we put out that song now. You know,

you just don't know if it would connect as much. But

I mean, it took on a life of its own and opened up so many

doors, but it also

ratcheted things up so fast that I don't know

if we were prepared for it. It's almost like I would have rather eased into

it a little bit more we'd had a little success with our first record, and then

that just kind of went so fast, so quick.

Um, but, man, I mean,

because now everything you do, you compare. For a longest time

after that, I compared it. It was like, oh, just a kiss. It

went number one. It's really big. But I didn't go,

like, top 20 on pop radio, like, need you now did.

It's like, yeah, that. Charles, that

was not going to happen again. You know, you're a

country artist. That was just. That's what

happened. That song.

>> Jonathan: Yeah.

>> RB: You know, it's almost like a golfer, right? You win one event

or a major, you won another one.

>> Speaker A: Yeah.

>> RB: And it's like, you never. Once you get a little taste,

you don't want that to end.

>> Speaker A: Right. And you don't. And, you know, to me,

I'm just fortunate. Uh, being able to look back and be like

that opened up so many doors. It. You know,

it was. Opened up this ability for us to go tour over in

Europe, and, you know, we go do London, and we probably have more people show up

for us in London than we do on the stage, which is just crazy to

me. And it's literally because of that one song. I mean, you

know, they went and discovered the other stuff, but that one song

opened that door.

>> RB: Have you had, um, any. Anybody reach

out to you to sing at their wedding or anything?

>> Speaker A: I've. I've sang at a wedding just for friends before,

but, um, no. What is. I saw an

interview with Darius one time where they said, would you play at a wedding? He

goes, yeah, I got a number. He goes, what's the number? And he goes, $1

million. I was like, yeah, that's a. I.

>> RB: Can'T imagine what that number is.

>> Speaker A: Yeah, I don't know what that number. I mean, if it's

just me hopping up there, singing the song, it's less than $1 million. That's

for sure. Bringing the whole band and doing the whole thing. People don't realize how

expensive it is to travel with

band production, the whole works.

Um, when I throw out numbers, sometimes people are like, yeah, but then your

manager takes this percentage. Your booking agent takes

this. You're this and that. And then it's the cost. It's all this.

And then for us, you split it three ways. So I'm like, trust

me, it's more money than we. Than we need, but what we

love. But I don't think people do when they see some of these numbers that

people are doing. Realize how much of that in the music

business is actually going to the artist.

It's, it's a big, uh, you know, it's a, it's a

big net game you play when you're, when you're on the road.

>> RB: Yeah, it's a numbers game.

>> Speaker A: It's a big numbers game that you play on the road. Because two

Garth Brooks, I feel like when he started doing these

big shows, production, and then of course Taylor Swift,

all these artists, it was like now like, you can't just go

out there and do the old school setup.

>> Jonathan: No.

>> Speaker A: And, uh, you gotta have it all. You got the screens, you gotta do

the lights, you gotta do this, and you got to take that with you. It

is absolutely a

monstrous expense, but it makes the show great.

>> RB: This Taylor Swift's effect, man. I'll tell you this much. My daughter is

4 years old and.

>> Jonathan: She didn't have an effect on the election. But anyway.

>> RB: All right, um, but my 4 year old

daughter's singing her songs and it's just like,

it's crazy to me.

>> Speaker A: Yeah, well, you know what, man? I mean, she's, it's. You're watching

a real life princess. Yes. Do this. And here's

the thing, man. She is one of the best songwriters,

like no one. And I think, you know, I got to see

her early on in her career. My wife actually,

um, worked on her publicity team when she was literally

just like what, 16, 17, you know, on her first single

or two. And um, you know, I

remember just seeing her there and I mean, none of us knew.

I mean, you know, I was like, gosh, this girl's, she's got a lot of

talent. But you know, it seems like too, like she

really developed her voice, she developed her sound. She

keeps reinvent herself, she just keeps making the next

right move. Which is just one of the

few times, uh, I've ever seen an artist literally

never have like a lull.

>> Jonathan: Yeah.

>> Speaker A: And so when, if ever she does have a lull,

that's going to be the true test for her is how she can handle

that. Um, because it just seems like she

never does. And um, you know, I don't know,

it's, it's wild to watch but, but I can see

that effect. I know Dave, uh, in our group, he's

taken his little girl and she literally, he

said, I've never seen someone so happy. When I told her we're going to see

Taylor Swift. And I was like, that's, that's a beautiful

thing. You know, we all, it's, it's awesome. Dudes, we always be like

oh, you know, it's like, dude, what she's doing, she's.

She's a good example. I mean, I. You know,

I think she's got maybe a

little bit too much power over certain things, but, like,

um, just that Taylor Swift effect. I mean, if

she. She puts her stamp on something or she

puts her stamp not on something, that's a scary

thought. Um, but I think what

she's doing is, uh, you know, it's. It's

pretty remarkable.

>> Jonathan: It is, yeah. You got to give her props.

>> RB: Yeah. It's like I said, it's

crazy.

>> Jonathan: And honestly, I'm not going to lie. Some of

her shit's catchy.

>> Speaker A: Oh, dude.

>> Jonathan: I mean, that shit's catchy.

>> Speaker A: She is listening to it in the shower bus. You cannot,

maybe. You cannot deny the songwriting and

just the ability to, uh, just kind

of keep kind of reinventing and chasing down different.

Different styles and it work, you know, because.

>> RB: So you've mentioned a couple times, sobriety,

um, in this conversation, which was a big move

for you, and, um,

tell us a little bit about that, because, you

know, with what you do for a living

that goes hand in hand, you're going to all these different

cities, you're staying up late, all this. And for

you to, um, get

sober and stay sober is.

That's a huge, um, congratulations to you.

>> Speaker A: No, thank you, man. I mean, it definitely seemed.

I mean, I would say it all the time to people. I was like, I'll

never stop drinking. Like, I'll. I would give

up all these things because it just was such a big part of my life. I mean, two

things. Ah. Outside of my family, I love the most playing

golf and performing most socially

acceptable places to get

hammered in the.

>> RB: World or both of your loves.

>> Speaker A: I mean, literally, if this was three years ago, I'm doing an interview

with you, I would have already had two

cocktails. While we're in the middle of this, smoking a cigar and

having some drinks is. You know, I thought it maybe played better

golf, which for the first five holes, it probably does.

Until it doesn't. Um, but no,

man, I did it. First and foremost, I did

to save my marriage. And then I did it because it

was creating a lot of tension in the band.

Um, but then after about six months into it, I

was like, I'm doing this for myself, man. This. This

feels good.

>> Jonathan: Yeah.

>> Speaker A: You know, like, it feels good to me.

There's a lot of things I miss about drinking. The social

aspect of it. Dinners or, you know,

that's tough. But when I look at it as a weighted

scale, I mean, it is. What I'm

getting is so

astronomically more important to me.

And I've also done it all, man. I mean, I gave

it hell for 25, 30 years.

Like, I went after it. It, uh, wasn't always

a problem, but like, I've done it all. And after

a while, it just got boring, to be honest with you. It was like I,

I was not wanted to drink, I had to drink. And

I think that's when, you know it's an issue. But there's absolutely nothing wrong with

drinking. There's nothing wrong with getting out there. I mean, some of my best

memories are being out on the golf course like this with

buddies and just having no worry in the world,

drinking, having a great time. One problem

was, well, I don't want to leave my car

here, so I guess I'm going to have to drive back. Yeah, wife

will know I was drinking if I don't have my car. And it's like just

those decisions I could have. I could have

changed my life so dramatically

or somebody else's so many times.

Um, you know, those are the kind of moments where it was like, looking back,

I was like, I was reckless, I got reckless. And

so. But it's, but it's been a great journey, man. You

know, if you want to lose 20 pounds, quick stop drinking. I like

the weight started, you know, maybe kind of want to

get, you know, get a little. And a little

more in shape. I look back at some pictures just from few years back,

and I'm like, I didn't look good, I didn't

feel good, I wasn't happy. And, um, it just

puts a lot of things, I think, into perspective. Um,

just enjoying this journey.

>> RB: Um, so, well, and you mentioned all these nice golf courses you're

going to. It's. How good does it feel to wake up?

>> Speaker A: Oh, I know.

>> RB: Next morning as bright and fresh as a daisy. I know you're

ready to go.

>> Speaker A: That used to be the hardest. I mean, literally, like,

the first day is great. Go out there. And then after that first

night of raging, you're like, oh, my gosh, I

gotta wake up and do this again. The, the.

I think back of some of probably the hardest I ever went after it

was I played in that ATT pebble beach

program several years. I've done that probably seven or eight

years. Kevin Kism was always my guy. Another Augusta

boy. Um, and he's a blast.

>> Jonathan: Well, he likes to drink.

>> Speaker A: I gotta get, I gotta get buzzed on before I'm gonna Play

in front of people. And so I would start the morning

at six in the morning with Bloody Mary

or a big old, you know,

um, you know, vodka OJ and just

get going and never stop. And then that night, have to

perform, wake up, you know, and take an 8,

8am tea time. Had to do the same

routine that. I mean, just a week of

that. I remember having, like, having to recover for, like, two

weeks after that, after the double beach broke.

>> RB: Yeah, you guys had to do pretty good there because you're. You're a good

stick and good. He's obviously sick.

>> Speaker A: My last trip there, it got rained

out the last day, but we were, um, in seventh

place, and this big old storm came through. It was wild. I

was. The first day, I thought we were out of it, and then all of

a sudden, he kind of gets us back into it. And then we played

pebble that third day, and

I think I was getting, like, five shots, and

I think for like, six or seven holes in a row,

like, one of the holes, which is the hardest hole, I think, on the

golf course. Number eight.

>> RB: Yep.

>> Speaker A: I had hero shot

to, like, eight feet. I make a birdie for eagle. It's one of my

stroke holes. I mean, we just, like. It was one of those cool little

moments where, like, he birdie, and then I'd get, like, a par for birdie or

birdie, and it would just start, you know. You know,

it's fun to kind of see how quickly it can change in those

things because, like, you go through so many emotions where you're

like, we're out of it. Wait, we're back in of it?

>> Jonathan: Yeah.

>> Speaker A: No, now we're out of it again. And then, of course, it's.

Rain came, and, like, they were like, okay,

we're. Y'all aren't going to play the last day because they were like, we got to

get all the. You know, they have a real tournament to do, so

they kind of cut it short. Um, but the best I've ever

done, you know, was a top 10 there, but. But just making the cuts huge

because only 25 teams out of 150,

60 teams.

>> Jonathan: Yeah, that's.

>> Speaker A: And, you know, you got to think, too. A lot of those guys are getting 15

pops. You know, I'm getting four or five.

I got to really show up, and your pros got to show up. But,

um, it's a lot of fun. It's stressful. I

have so much respect for those tour pros. It is

the most exhausting thing to go out there and

walk an Entire week of

golf and grind. The mental grind

of it, um, that these guys go

through. Um, you know, the funniest thing with

Kisner, he's the most

honest dude I've ever seen. I'd be like. A couple times,

I. When we first started doing these together, I got like, man, I'm so sorry.

I'm playing like shit. And he goes, charles,

I don't give a shit how you do. I'm out here trying to

make money. I'm. I'm focusing on my M game. He goes, I don't

care a lick. And I said, thank you for the

honesty. That's how close he is. He's so. He's so

fun.

>> RB: He's so good, though.

>> Speaker A: Uh, your key is just to make sure you stay out of their way.

But he's also really loose and fun. I mean, I think. I think I was

able to kind of keep him enjoying it, too, uh, you

know, and having fun. Um, he's just a great dude,

you know? And so some of my greatest memories are

going out and playing in that thing.

>> RB: Pebbles. Pebbles. A special, special spot.

>> Speaker A: Yeah.

>> RB: So you played Pebble?

>> Speaker A: Um, Monterey and Spy.

>> RB: So I think spyglass is harder, uh, from the backs.

>> Speaker A: Oh, I agree. I don't know why I always play pebble the best.

And I don't know if it's just. It's always the third day and I'm a little warmed

up or maybe I just, you know, But Monterey,

to me, is the hardest. It's the. There's those fairways.

They're, like, tight, but they're wet.

>> RB: Is that mpcc?

>> Speaker A: What's that?

>> RB: Monterey Peninsula. Yeah.

>> Speaker A: And if you don't pick it just perfect, you're either going to lay

sod over it or you're going to skull it. Like, to me, that's the course

that gets in my head more than the others. But spyglass is really difficult,

too.

>> Jonathan: Yeah, Spyglass. I just think, aesthetically, you got a

lot of shots coming out of the trees and, you know,

tee shots with good vistas.

>> Speaker A: You were thinking about, like, beautiful. Those courses. I mean, pebble,

you. You couldn't build a course like that.

>> Jonathan: No.

>> Speaker A: You'd have the EPA all up in your ass. Like, I mean, they got baby

seals out there.

>> Jonathan: Yeah.

>> Speaker A: You know, like. Like. Like. Like at

Cyprus. Boy. I mean, you sitting there, and there's, like, this thing where it's, like, seals, and

you're, like, hitting these golf balls on number 16.

You know, that par three at

Cyprus down there? You're like, you can't do

that, like, thank God it was already built. You

know, the.

>> Jonathan: The pebble thing, though, it's funny because, um,

you get to see a lot of people that are coming there to play golf that

frankly don't golf.

>> Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.

>> Jonathan: They just want to play golf to say they play pebbles. So they're paying

$600 for the round, they're getting a rental set, and they're

clogging the whole course up like an old school toilet

at the gym house. But it's still.

It's still one of the courses you got to go play.

>> Speaker A: It's one of the best courses. I mean, I think sometimes it doesn't

get quite the amount of respect because it is

public and it gets so much play. But,

I mean, you know, I've been fortunate enough to play, you

know, the majority of the top ones, and I still

think Pebbles, my top five.

>> Jonathan: Yeah.

>> Speaker A: I mean, it's just aesthetically, once

you get past those first three holes, you know, you kind of get there. You're like, this

is pebble.

>> RB: Yeah, exactly. It is so underwhelming.

>> Speaker A: Then all of a sudden, four comes.

>> RB: And you're like, oh, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine.

Um, yeah.

>> Jonathan: Yeah.

>> Speaker A: It's unbelievable.

>> RB: Yeah.

>> Jonathan: Um, yeah, seven. I mean, seven.

You could play nothing. You think you're

gonna, like, naturally hit it on the green and, like, have a nice little

birdie putt.

>> Speaker A: Yeah.

>> Jonathan: And it's. You're not. I mean, plays 110 yards down and

you got wind going everywhere.

>> Speaker A: It's difficult playing it

and was so bad. I mean, we had to

hit like a six iron into it.

>> Jonathan: Yeah.

>> Speaker A: Because they're, you know, they're like, this is a four club win. Now, that's

mentally hard to do as an amateur,

knowing, you know, you got it, like,

knowing it's only 110 shot. You're like, but you want me to hit

this as If I'm hitting 180 sharp.

>> RB: But you number one at Oakmont.

>> Speaker A: Yeah.

>> RB: First time I played there, the caddy said, you got like

195. I want you to play this 155.

>> Speaker A: Yeah.

>> RB: You're like, what?

>> Jonathan: Yeah.

>> RB: How do you. How do I do that? And he said, just trust

me. Sure enough, you got to land it down the, you know,

down that hill. Oh, yeah. Let it go.

>> Speaker A: Oh, no doubt.

>> RB: I think the first time, uh, George played there, he

drove it over. Over the green on one.

>> Jonathan: Yeah.

>> Speaker A: George is.

>> Jonathan: He pounds.

>> Speaker A: Great golfer dude. I played at, uh, Pinehurst with him one time, and I was

like, this guy can freaking golf.

>> Jonathan: Yeah. I Mean, played Texas, you know, and

all that jazz. But, um, I hate when the

caddies want to come over and start reading your putt.

I don't like them reading the greens for me, you know, but so they

start telling me stuff, and I know they probably know the greens better than I do,

but I'd rather. I'd rather

be wrong on my own than you tell me, and I miss

it.

And then I'm mad at you.

>> Speaker A: I'm big on wanting a general idea

or if I've got big

questions. But, um, when you start

getting into ball here

versus edge, I

think for a lot of people, my right

edge might be your ball. Right. You know, it's all how

you little things.

>> RB: That's all your speed, how you.

>> Speaker A: Not to mention I may push the damn thing.

>> Jonathan: Sure.

>> Speaker A: Pull it. As long as I get a general idea.

>> Jonathan: Yeah.

>> Speaker A: As long as I got a general idea, I'm not hitting this

thing perfect every time. So it's like, as long as I got a

general idea, I'm with you. Then just. I just need speed.

>> Jonathan: Just need. Yeah. And you. You're five. You play at a five.

Yeah, I fluctuate between single digit.

>> Speaker A: I fluctuate between a three and a six.

>> Jonathan: Three and a six.

>> Speaker A: Yeah. And I think I'm like a 4.1. So, like, at pebble, you

know, that's a good thing they give you. Yeah, they just end up getting a

couple more.

>> Jonathan: Yeah.

>> Speaker A: Um, which is always nice. I always try to make sure I paddock before I go

into Pebble.

>> RB: Well, that's the big Larry Fitzgerald thing. You know, he.

He's the big question, his handicap. He's always coming in a little

higher and.

>> Speaker A: Yeah. Uh, yeah.

>> RB: So I know you got.

>> Speaker A: It's hard not to want to get one more, though, because, like, I

can't tell you how many times I played in it and missed the cut by one shot or

two shots. And I'm like, if I could just have one

extra stroke a day, you know, that's potentially three

shots and it's a make or break. So,

you know, you try to be. You try to be right

and true, but I'm not going to lie, every now and then if I'll have a little

72 and it's a month or two before the term, and I'm

like, I didn't have that 72, did I?

Um. Was not going to put that one in there.

>> RB: Plus that score. Then

you got. How about the friends that are like, I play with you. You didn't put it in, bud.

>> Speaker A: Yeah. Exactly. We, um.

>> Jonathan: We were just in California, and me, Pep, and

our other best, best buddy, B. Cats, and we were at dinner talking about

rounds of golf, and the girls are all bitching because we play too much

golf, yada yada. And I'm like, I don't really think I do.

They're like, how many rounds of golf do you log in this year? So I'm like,

I don't even know. So I pulled up my gin app, and I looked

for 24, and it was 26,

which I played probably like three times that amount.

And everyone's all like, what the fuck, Bash?

26 rounds, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, I might have

forgot.

>> Speaker A: Yeah, I don't know.

>> Jonathan: I just might have forgot.

>> Speaker A: Well, I do. I do naturally forget. I mean, it's not. The first

thing I think of is like, I just got done playing Let me throw it in my Jenna. And

it's like. So, like, there are times I just forget. Yeah. Uh,

but, yeah, it's easy to forget the ones that, you know are going to screw your

handicap. Uh, the days, like, you know, you grow. When I grew up

playing, it was like, oh, I want everybody, you know, I want to get as low as I can.

Now I'm like, hell, no.

>> RB: Right?

>> Speaker A: I go out there and golf like, I

want as many. I'm a dangerous five.

>> Jonathan: Oh, yeah.

>> Speaker A: I'm a dangerous fan with the money in my pocket, but I'm a

dangerous file because I can shoot a 72, but I can also

shoot an 83. But, like, you know, you give

me five shots and I'm playing a scratch golfer,

you know, if I'm playing good, he's gonna have to shoot 69.

70, you know, so, like, I don't know,

because I can shoot 78 all day, which brings me

down to a nice little 62.

>> Jonathan: Yeah.

>> Speaker A: I mean. Sorry. 78, which brings me down to a nice

72. I wish. It's 62.

>> Jonathan: 72. Yeah. Yeah. 6. Yeah. No, you're

right, man. So I don't know. It's in. Golf's

one of the best games for handicapping, because you could play with

anybody at that point. You know what I mean?

It levels it out.

>> Speaker A: It levels it out. I mean, to a point. Yeah, I think. I

think being a scratch golfer, playing in

money games, you know, at your course

is way harder.

>> RB: It's, you know, so hard.

>> Speaker A: It's so hard. Like, to me, like, those guys get beat more than anything because

you're not gonna.

>> RB: You're not gonna vary high or low. Very

Much. Yeah, you're probably gonna be right there if you're

scratching to go to 70. From 72 to 70 or

74, 75. On your really bad days,

78, 79, you get a 6

to a 10 handicap. They just start getting hot and make some

pars where they get.

>> Speaker A: Yeah, you get a six handicap shooting 73.

You have lost some big

money that day. So it's fun. I love it. I'm always trying to keep

my handicap as high as I can.

>> RB: Is there a certain money game you play with all your boys?

>> Speaker A: Man, I tell you what, we started playing years ago

that we. It's finally kind of fizzling out because it got really

dangerous. We started playing Vegas.

>> Jonathan: Oh, yeah.

>> Speaker A: Vegas. Which for the listeners, if you don't know how Vegas

works. So let's say me and my partner,

par four. I, uh, par. He pars

44. Let's say you

par. You double. Y'all got 46. That's

46 minus 44. That's two points. Let's say you're playing

$5 points, only $10, no big deal.

All right? Now let's say I make a

birdie mix par. You

make a par, and you make that same double

because of my birdie, we flip your score. So now

it's not 46 minus 34,

it's 64 minus

34. All of a sudden that's 30 points.

>> RB: 150 bucks.

>> Speaker A: 150 bucks. And that's where the game can get dangerous. So

we started doing this game, you know, and it start out

friendly, you know, $5 a point.

And it would get to this crazy number where people are, you know,

you're down thousand dollars with friends.

>> Jonathan: Yeah.

>> Speaker A: You know where we used to play for 20, 20 bucks, you

know, a side. All of a sudden now we're like. Because you're like a

$5 point, no big deal. And then you're like, holy

crap. All of a sudden I'm down, you know,

1500 bucks at the turn. Like, how did this happen? Well,

I gotta press. And these points will get so outrageous.

Yeah, one of the craziest ones. I won't say the number that it was at,

but the craziest things that happened in one of these. We're playing

it out at Richland, and we're on 15 as par

5. And these guys press

us. My partner's up

there, you know, with a good looking birdie

putt. I chip in

this crazy chip in for eagle. My partner makes a

birdie. One of the. One of the guys we're playing against

it. Hit it out of bounds. He's got a double.

So not only did he have a 7 and a 5,

it was 75,

34. We flipped it. We doubled it

and doubled it again.

>> RB: Oh, my God.

>> Speaker A: Eagle. The birdie flips it.

Another birdie would double it, but an eagle doubles it and

doubles it. So it was so outrageous. So we literally,

collectively, almost like a whole club just was like, guys, we got to

stop playing this game. Because, like, you know, you got some guys out there, 32,

they're just starting to make money, and they, you know, they just want to have.

>> Jonathan: They're losing their month, and all of.

>> Speaker A: A sudden they're down. You know, they just lost 2,500 bucks on a golf course in a

day. That's. It was. It was silly. So we stopped doing that. But,

um.

>> RB: Well, that's funny that you say, because we just played, um,

lcr. We had a five ball, so two left, one

center to right. And then we did Vegas with

that. And so the. What we said was while we

were playing, we were like, oh, if somebody makes double birdie,

we should double the points. So I think

that's going forward. That's going to be something. But we played

dollar.

>> Speaker A: Yeah. And that's the way it should have been.

>> RB: Even at that, it was getting out of hand.

>> Speaker A: That's what I mean.

It gets out of hand. I mean, uh, we literally went from like, going

so outrageously crazy to now literally every time I go out there, we're

like $20 aside automatic presses. You know, we keep

easier that way. And I'm not sitting there, like,

literally calculating, calculating the whole time.

I'm like, oh, my God. I just hit out of bounds. If

this dude makes a birdie, I gotta, like, go to the

bank. Like, that's not fun.

>> RB: I'm a big high low. I like high low. Yeah,

because.

>> Speaker A: Keeps everybody in it.

>> RB: Keeps everybody in it. Everybody

focuses.

>> Jonathan: Um, I love the action. I need the.

>> Speaker A: Gotta have some.

>> Jonathan: I need the action.

>> Speaker A: Don't know how to play with that anymore. Yeah, it's exactly another thing I probably need

to address. It's like. It's like alcohol

in action. I mean, I literally. I can't tell you how many times too, I've

tried to get out of ball gambling. And I'm like, I'm not

going to do it this year. It brings me no happiness.

>> Jonathan: That brings me.

>> Speaker A: I cannot do it. I've got to have

it.

>> Jonathan: It's incredible. I got to have with you.

I'm spot on.

>> Speaker A: I got to have it.

>> Jonathan: It's great.

>> Speaker A: I can't. I'm sorry. I can't watch, and I can't watch

Hawaii. It. You know, that's always my go to

when you had a really bad. You've had a really bad, bad

day. You're like, we got Hawaii at

midnight. You know? You know?

>> Jonathan: Yeah.

>> Speaker A: You riding it all in Hawaii. What do you know about Hawaii? Not

a damn thing. Yeah, not a damn thing.

>> Jonathan: 12:00Am But Hawaii.

>> Speaker A: But he's gotta come.

>> RB: On the other day, I. I texted him, I said,

hey, I'm taking the Pittsburgh Penguins. Hockey.

Yeah, we were getting into hockey now. I said, I'll take the

Pittsburgh Penguins. They've been on a slump. They're due to win. Yeah.

But it was six nothing Dallas Stars after the first. And

I'm like, this is so stupid.

>> Jonathan: I had hope, so I. He. I knew he bet them.

So I, um, I took a screenshot of the period, uh,

scores, and it was just Dallas, one, nothing, Dallas two,

nothing. And I sent it to Tatum. No,

I should have, though. But I sent it to a buddy of ours who plays for the

Rangers. And I said, uh, well, I said

something like, sucks if you would have bet on the Penguins last night or

something like that, knowing he did.

>> RB: I texted a buddy. I said, the next day, I texted him, I

said, I think Dallas just scored again.

>> Speaker A: I tell you what stinks. My. I went to Georgia. My Bulldogs

for the past four years have been the best.

I mean, probably 75%, 80% covering the

spread. And this year, I don't know if they've covered. I think the only one they

covered was Texas.

>> Jonathan: Yeah.

>> Speaker A: And so, I mean, I just keep. I keep just going.

Keep riding them. I'm like, they're my boys. I got to.

>> RB: Have you played as us. Have you played Saturday?

>> Speaker A: Long time ago.

>> RB: I just. I just played.

>> Speaker A: Or when I went.

>> RB: I just played there a few weeks ago.

>> Jonathan: How about the video of the football player from Georgia?

>> RB: Do you see the celebrating with the Ole Miss? Did you

see this?

>> Jonathan: Yeah, you gotta watch it.

>> Speaker A: It's.

>> RB: I'll show you after this.

There's a Georgia football player after Ole

Miss beat them, and he's jumping up and down with,

like, an Ole Miss player. And they asked Kirby

Smart, did you see that? He said, yeah, I don't have time for that

idiot right now. He said, that is so stupid.

And it's this kid. I think it was this

kid's childhood friend that played at Ole Miss that he was

happy for.

>> Speaker A: Happy for him.

>> RB: But it's like, yeah, not in that mom moment.

>> Jonathan: No, not in that moment. You just got your ass kicked.

>> RB: Hey, dude, congrats. Yeah.

>> Speaker A: Hello, Man. I mean, I'm. I'm a little worried about my bulldogs. I

mean, it's. Listen, I mean, we're. We got. We're.

We're. We're the new Bama.

I would say. I would have said that before the year started.

Um, but, I mean, we're strong. I just think. I just

think we're. We're. We're in our head a little

bit. We gotta maybe pressure college kids with

too much pressure is just not. Expectations are hard

and they have options.

>> Jonathan: Now because they know if it's not going their way, they could bail.

>> Speaker A: You know, I wasn't happy when I heard that our

quarterback was pulling up in a brand new Lambo. I was like, that's a

bad message to send. It's to your. To your O line.

He's got to block your ass. And you're like, yeah, you know,

that's.

>> RB: It's out of hand. I. I personally think. I mean,

I, uh, think that you should be allowed one transfer

free. No, you don't have to sit out after

that. You're this playing four years on

four different teams. There's no. You're

not teaching these kids how to face

adversity through life. Yeah, it's just. Oh, it's not good here. I'll just

go somewhere else.

>> Speaker A: Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, it definitely seems like it's level in the

playing field in some ways, though. You're probably having some people that

normally would be, you know, sitting as a backup, get some.

Get some playing time. So with everything

there's, you know, I mean, listen, these, These.

These universities, you know, are making fortunes off these

players. And I do think there needed to be something. I just wonder

if it could have been like after they got out of college. Yeah,

like, set it up a little bit and maybe teach them how to. How to save

and use it.

>> Jonathan: Yeah.

>> Speaker A: I mean, gosh, being in the music business, I've seen it so many times. You

got. These acts start blowing up and they're flying private everywhere.

And I'm, um. Like, that's the quickest way to lose

all your money right there is spend a million dollars flying private

all these gigs. You might want that in five years,

you know? Yeah, well, that put that into something for five years.

That. That'll be worth 2 or 3 million.

>> RB: Yeah, I think the nil. Like if you have a player that's making

a million bucks in a year, you take 800,000 of that, put it

into a fund for them. They can't touch it till they're 30 years

old and let them have

$200,000. Right now, that way you're setting them up because it's not

guaranteed they're gonna go to the NFL.

>> Speaker A: No, I mean that.

>> RB: I mean, look at this Archie, man. Or, um, demanding

for Texas. He's making, like $5 million,

arch.

>> Speaker A: He's. I got to see him as a

boy. So, um. So Eli and

my. And his wife. His wife

grew up best friends with my wife, so that's how I've kind of gotten to

know Eli. And so we went down for, um. I

can't remember what we were going down there for, but we went down to Ole Miss and.

And got to hang out with them. Um, and I

got to see, uh,

Archie's, um. You know, two young

boys when they were, like, couldn't have been more than seven or eight

years old, and they were out, and it was Arch

Manning, you know, throwing ball, and. And it

was just like, holy shit.

>> Jonathan: Yeah.

>> Speaker A: These are six, seven, eight year old boys. I

mean, just. It was just pure talent. And they

were just full out. I mean, most energy I've ever seen. I mean, they, like,

did a dance party for us. They were the coolest little kids

I've ever seen.

And so, you know, obviously a big Georgia fan,

but I'm like, I love. Just because of

that little, tiny connection I had, being able to see this

little boy and just to see what he's going to

become is so cool. I mean, that. That. That's such a

cool family. They're like. I mean, their dad is one of

the nicest moms. Just. They're just a great family.

>> RB: That's so good to hear.

>> Speaker A: And I think they, you know, all the success they got there,

they're just great people. I mean, they really are. They're some of the

coolest people I've ever been around. Um, but just to

see that little boy and what he became

or what he's becoming is just really fun to watch.

>> Jonathan: Yeah. Yeah. No, it is. And

apple doesn't fall too far from the tree in that it's all what

you grow up.

>> Speaker A: I mean, like, my little boy. I mean, I'm not the biggest

athlete. It's not like I go out and shoot baskets every day. So,

like, you know, we're down there jamming on the drums

most nights, you know, you know, he's.

He's really into, like, space and science and

video games, and I'm like, listen, whatever he's into,

I'm just going to support. We get on the golf course sometimes, but,

like, you know, I think you definitely. You

gravitate towards, you know, what your. What. What

your surroundings are.

>> RB: Well, you need to steer clear of, uh, Wiffle ball with.

>> Speaker A: Yeah.

>> RB: Uh, children. Um,

I had a wiffle ball injury may, uh, may

24th. Snapped, uh, my fibula.

>> Speaker A: Ooh.

>> RB: Playing Wiffle ball.

>> Speaker A: Are you gonna say seven screws? Got a. Got a

bat to the balls?

>> RB: No, I would have taken that.

>> Speaker A: Yeah.

>> Jonathan: Glad you would have loved to have it.

>> RB: Seven screws and a plate later, that's. And,

uh, here we are.

>> Speaker A: That sucks.

>> Jonathan: So, uh, this is why he's on his golf kick now at the end of the year, because he hadn't played all

year.

>> Speaker A: Yeah.

>> Jonathan: So it's like, hey, buddy, you want to go this place? I'm like, well, I just got back from that

place, but, yeah, let's go to this place.

>> Speaker A: Well, you know, it was funny. I was like. He was like, yeah, come to Spock. I was

like, yeah. I was like, but we're gonna play golf, right? And then, of course,

this weather is what it is. But I was like, we gotta. We gotta get out there

and golf, man. You get an opportunity like this. I know. I told my wife, I

said, I'm working today.

>> Jonathan: This is it.

>> Speaker A: I said, they're golfing. And she's like, oh, you gonna golf? And I was like, well,

you know, they want to, like, you know, have something we can talk about and golf

and we'll talk about the podcast. Look like it.

>> Jonathan: Good day to be a duck, though. But I will say before we.

Before we end with our last segment of the show, we do love your boy George

Pickens in Pittsburgh, man. Yeah, my man can catch the ball.

He's a Georgia product.

>> Speaker A: Yeah.

>> Jonathan: So, um, it's fun to watch.

>> Speaker A: Yeah, it is, man. I got. I. Did y'all watch that last

game, World Series this year?

>> RB: Yeah.

>> Speaker A: That was one of the best games I've ever seen. Down five.

Those three errors. Could not believe. I

have never been more engaged in a baseball game than

that one. That was one of the just wildest. Like,

you're never out of it.

>> RB: Garrett Cole running to

that. And then the shortstop, there was just, like, so

many.

>> Speaker A: There was. It was weird. It was weird. I got to

play. Speaking of, uh. Uh,

that game, Mookie Betts, I got to play with him at the

AT&T1 year. Such a cool dude. Great golfer,

but just such a cool dude.

>> RB: That's awesome.

>> Speaker A: Um, So I was rooting for him, but, like, he, you know, his was

one where, you know, he was full sprint going to first base,

where I think most, you know, most of the other player would be like, all right, that's

out. And because of that, I mean, that just set

up the rest of that.

That game for.

>> Jonathan: Yeah, I didn't. I didn't really. Honestly, I didn't. I didn't really watch.

Yeah, I didn't watch it, but I saw the highlights.

>> Speaker A: I watched it because I had some.

>> Jonathan: I had some action you might have.

>> Speaker A: And luckily I, uh, uh, had the Dodgers there.

>> RB: Yeah.

>> Speaker A: Um, just because. I don't know, it just felt like it

was. It just felt like it was their moment, but it didn't look

good. I turned on the tv, I was like, five. All right, all

right, write that one off. And then that happened. It was wild.

>> Jonathan: It was a kind of a classic, you know,

LA and New York. I mean.

>> RB: Yeah, it is $300 million each payroll.

>> Speaker A: There you go.

>> Jonathan: Well, man, we, uh, we so appreciate your time today. This is

fun coming out here and doing a podcast with us. But before we

end, we have our last segment of the show called the

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here that demand your quick response.

>> RB: All right, out of the seven Grammys, you have, which one

means the most.

>> Speaker A: Song of the year?

>> RB: Which was. What?

>> Speaker A: Did you know? Yeah, the overall. We. We won the overall

song of the year and record of the year. I think it's just because

the songs, too, that were in that category, it was like

songs we shouldn't have beat. There was, like a Jay Z,

Alicia Keys, New York, like, crazy

songs.

>> RB: Yeah.

>> Speaker A: So that one was the one. As a songwriter, I think, what

advice.

>> RB: Would you give someone that is facing adversity?

>> Speaker A: Breathe and know you'll get through it. I mean,

what will happen will happen, but you will get through it.

>> RB: All right. Dream foursome, Dead or alive.

>> Speaker A: Dream foursome, dead or alive. Still

haven't played with Tiger Woods. I want to play with him so bad.

Um,

probably the greats, Bobby Jones, Ben Hogan.

Just to see. Yeah, to see that.

To also watch them play and then compare

it to, like, the new, you know, Tiger woods

type of style and, um, swing and just

the beauty of it.

>> Jonathan: Yep.

>> RB: All right. Favorite golf hang. And why.

>> Speaker A: Ooh. Oakmont

because it's loose

but still world class and.

>> RB: All right, and last one. What are you chasing?

>> Speaker A: M.

Peace.

>> Jonathan: I love it.

>> RB: Love it.

>> Jonathan: Well, man, it was fun. You guys

make sure you check Charles out online. Stay tuned

for some new music coming out.

>> Speaker A: No doubt.

>> Jonathan: And, uh, we appreciate, we appreciate your time today, man.

>> Speaker A: Coming out. See us on the road.

>> Jonathan: Let's go.

>> RB: Love the episode. Love doing the. These things in person.

The video, I. Everything about this

episode. I really enjoyed the vibe. We smoked cigars

together. Um, you

know, he. He had a struggle and in life

and he's doing extremely well with it.

And I'm, um, I'm happy for him. I'm proud of him. It's

got to be difficult when you're a golfer going on all these golf

trips and you're passing on all the.

The things on the side.

>> Jonathan: Yeah, yeah. And you. I

mean, you said before the show, you're like, you know what? I'm going to get a

little casamigos and a cup, you know, And I'm like,

but can't you just have a Red Bull with me?

>> RB: No, because, I mean, he's

fine, right?

>> Jonathan: I know.

>> RB: He was fine. Just thinking and just thinking, but

it was great.

How about the change from the lady A or, uh, from Lady

Antebellum to lady A. Yeah, that was,

um, interesting to hear that story,

um, his Augusta national story, Eli

Manning, him, his friend. There's so much.

And, um, you know, his charity event

was. I spoke to him and his charity event went off really well this

past week in Augusta. So, uh, happy for

him.

>> Jonathan: Yeah. No, and we are extremely

grateful. Patrol has given us some of his time

and coming on the show, it was awesome to catch up, meet

and yuck it up here for an hour or so.

And, uh, I think that speaks volumes on

us as humans. I mean, we all have imperfections, man,

and 1000%. And people just don't like to really admit it

or try to cover it up. But, um,

to be able to open up and be kind of vulnerable in that

state is healing to a degree.

So. Good stuff. Seven Grammys.

And keep the good, good things coming, my

man. So again, we.

>> RB: Seven Grammys.

>> Jonathan: Yeah, six.

>> RB: Giving an attended show. He's got seven

Grammys.

>> Jonathan: I, um, I went to

the grocery store this weekend, and I'm just doing my typical

routine of, um, getting

groceries. You know, you kind of know what you get after

a while, so it's pretty quick. But then I got hit with that text message from

Ash for a chili recipe.

Now, I don't know about you. I know you like

to make chili. That's one thing you like to do. And I like to eat

chili. But if you are in a grocery

store and you get hit, like on a whim with

a chili recipe, that takes your

experience from 35 to 40 minutes to at

least an hour and a half because you're looking through. Do you have

this spice? What spice? You need cumin, you need chili

powder, smoked chili powder, smoked paprika. What kind

of meat you gonna get? Do you gotta get jalapenos or Red Bell

puppet? I mean, I'm walking around the grocery store

now with this chili recipe. I thought about FaceTiming you the other day

because again, I know it kind of intertwines with

you and chili making, bud, but it, uh, is

chili season.

>> RB: And I'll tell you, I'll tell you a nice,

um, addition to any chili

is a subtle

cocoa. You add a little cocoa.

>> Jonathan: A little cocoa. What about a little brown sugar?

>> RB: Cocoa.

>> Jonathan: Cocoa.

>> RB: Okay. And I got that off our boy, Starvin

Marvin. We had a conversation

and, uh, just add a little cocoa to that

chili. And I'm telling you, dude, it just sweetened things up a little

bit.

>> Jonathan: Yeah, that's a good idea. I'm gonna make note of that. But

a chili recipe can wreck your whole grocery.

>> RB: Yeah, it can, but you can point. But one, uh,

thousand percent can. But also at the same time,

chili's kind of like a mishmash. Like throw whatever you

want in it. Right? Like it does.

>> Jonathan: Yeah, it doesn't matter.

>> RB: It's good no matter what.

>> Jonathan: Yeah, but then you're looking at the tomatoes and it's like crushed,

smushed. Crushed.

>> RB: Yeah.

>> Jonathan: Paste, diced. Do you want organic or not? Like, it's

like.

>> RB: Well, the paste is a, is a crucial ingredient to that as

well.

>> Jonathan: Crucial.

>> Speaker A: So.

>> Jonathan: But crucial ingredients. Ingredients make things

better. And that's why you people out

there should jolly on over to

Nemakolen Resort in Farmington, Pennsylvania,

where ingredients are always fine. The

food is great, the lodging is wonderful. So it's

a holiday season now. Maybe. If you're not going to make it

up for the holidays, check your schedule for

2025. Book your

stay@nemacolan.com.

you guys will not be disappointed. I promise you

that. And, uh, again, as always, if you're coming

up, give us a holler. We're around.

>> RB: Yeah, I'll smoke a cigar.

>> Jonathan: In fact, you're there right now, bud.

>> RB: Yeah.

Um, what else, man? Anything. What dish are

you really looking forward to for Thanksgiving in one

Week.

>> Jonathan: Just the turkey. Gravy and mashed potatoes, man. Sweet

potatoes.

>> RB: I'm doing a little. I'm doing, um. I'm doing the turkey, as I

always do. Um, got that from Stone House.

And then, um, I do a little

Brussels sprout with, uh,

pancetta.

>> Jonathan: Okay.

>> RB: Um, and then do a little glaze over

it and salt and pepper on that. And

then I'm a big sweet

potato guy, so I'm hoping somebody brings me a sweet potato. Casper.

>> Jonathan: Yeah. Now. Thanks. Thanksgiving is. It's awesome. And

I'll tell you this much. I don't care who the Lions are playing on Thanksgiving.

I'm assuming they're playing on Thanksgiving.

>> RB: I'm taking them.

>> Jonathan: They're taking them. I mean, the team puts up

100 points a weekend. I mean, you

cannot, like, not look at that, guys.

I mean, this is the NFL, and they just put up

52 points last week on

Jacksonville, so it's kind of a

trend. I'm in. I would love to see it. Detroit,

Pittsburgh, Super Bowl. Oh, uh, I know. Roll your eyes.

Okay. Yeah. Roy

McElroy won his sixth World

DP. DP Tour. World.

>> RB: Yeah.

>> Jonathan: Race.

>> RB: Did you see how many memberships he has?

>> Jonathan: No.

>> RB: They asked him how many country club memberships he

has.

>> Jonathan: Oh, my God. I. I would say

20.

>> RB: 15.

>> Jonathan: Wow. I.

Well, uh, that's like 15 more than

you, bud.

>> RB: Mm. Mhm.

>> Jonathan: It's unbelievable. But.

>> RB: That'S great.

But anyways, without further ado, I mean,

I. I'm so sick of getting beat down mentally and

physically. Uh, without further ado.

Happy. Um, thanks. Thanksgiving to everyone out there. We are very

thankful for the listeners, um, for the

followers, for everything, our

friends.

>> Jonathan: I can't, Dude.

>> RB: So.

>> Jonathan: Right.

>> RB: Happy Thanksgiving. Enjoy that turkey.

Um, apparently Ryan thinks something

was really funny.

>> Speaker A: Sorry.

>> RB: I'm done.

>> Jonathan: I'm done.

>> RB: So chasing underscore

Birdies. Enjoy it. Thanks

again for everything.

>> Jonathan: Yep. You guys out there. We hope you

enjoyed today's episode. As always, we appreciate you tuning in

here on Chase and Birdies. Thank you to Allie,

Evo and Emily over at Simpler Media for putting

this thing together. Jacqueline D. Piterio, Rachel London

for all y'all social help, and naturally, Preston

and Amelia for helping get this

audio and video together for Jason and Birdies. We appreciate it very

much. You guys have a blessed weekend. Have a

great Thanksgiving, and we will catch you all in two.