00:00:06 Archita : What if time was never actually your problem? What if the overwhelm, the rushing, the feeling of being behind wasn't about hours slipping away, but about how disconnected we feel from our own rhythm? Today's conversation is an invitation to return to harmony with your time, your energy, and your intentions.

00:00:28 Archita : Welcome to sacred Harmony, a space where we explore alignment between ambition and peace, discipline and compassion, effort and ease. I'm your host and today I am joined by Drew Wilson, entrepreneur, author, and founder of Call the Dam Leads, whose work centers on one powerful idea. When we take responsibility for our time, we reclaim our life. In this episode, we will explore why anyone can take control of their time and how doing so can become a grounding, even healing practice rather than a stressful one. So welcome to sacred Harmony. It's. It's great to have you here.

00:01:10 Drewbie Wilson: Hey, thank you so much for for allowing me to be a guest on your show. I'm really grateful for the opportunity. And, you know, time is a conversation I love to to have and a topic I love to go deep on. So I'm grateful for your time and for the listeners that stays and and hangs out with us while we talk about it today.

00:01:29 Archita : Yeah, I, I even I can't wait to dive into this conversation with you and learn more about time management. So do we. Before we talk about systems or habits, I'm curious, what was your own relationship with time like before you learned to take control of it?

00:01:49 Drewbie Wilson: Oh, what a great way to start. So, you know, I think for me, I've always had an appreciation for time and the ability to go back and look at the little moments in life. You know, those memories, those achievements, those things that we can even some of the hard stuff that we went through, being able to look back on those and relive those memories or have them is is really important. However, I at a certain point noticed that time really seemed to just be cruising by and I was not progressing at the rate that I wanted to be. And that's in a many areas it's in. It was in my, you know, my personal fitness. It was in my financial space from my business. It was the relationships I was in. Like everything just kind of seemed to almost be at a standstill, even though I was working and showing up every day and doing all the things that I was, you know, supposed to be doing in the moment. It really just felt like things were not happening at the pace that I wanted. And I, I started very early on. It was right around the time I want to say, my wife was either just about to give birth to our son or right around, you know, giving birth to our son. And I was starting to, like, just toss and turn really early in the morning, like three and four a m I just start tossing and turning every day. And I didn't have to be to work until seven or eight. And so I would just kind of sit in bed and toss and turn and toss and turn and toss and turn. And I remember looking at my wife and saying, you know, I think God's just trying to tell me to get up and do something. And so I'm going to go for a walk. And that was what I started doing. I would just whenever my body told me to get up, I would wake up and I'd go walk at the park behind our house. And that led me to listening to podcasts like this and books on tape and different motivational speakers on YouTube. And it kind of sent me down this path of really understanding that for me to grow in any of those areas personally, spiritually, financially, you know, in my relationships, it required me to be more intentional with the time, energy and effort that I was putting into them. And I think that was kind of the big shift is realizing that if you want anything to grow, if you want anything to get better, you have to spend intentional time working on it. And that applies in every area of your life.

00:04:37 Archita : Definitely. I think you couldn't have put it in a better way, because it sounds like time wasn't just something you managed, it was something you had to reconcile with, almost like a rebuilding trust with yourself. And this really sets the tone for this conversation. So that brings me to the question, Ruby, that there's there's a belief that some people are just naturally disciplined while others aren't. I'm curious, what do you see as the biggest misunderstanding people have about time control?

00:05:13 Drewbie Wilson: Oh, Uh, I would have to say, I think the biggest misunderstanding is that it's it really just comes down to prioritization in terms of if something's really that important to you, you will make the time to go and do that thing. And you would be willing to sacrifice time in other areas to do so. So and the easiest example of this is kind of like, um, let's just say you knew you had a big cut on your arm and it was bleeding really, really bad. You would make the time to find medical help and get attention because it would be a priority to you. But when you're looking at the list of five hundred people that you're supposed to call and have conversations with today to try to sell them your product or service. All of a sudden you got other things that are, you know, more important, even though making money so that you can pay the bills and put food on the table and a roof over your head, really is just as important as finding medical help if you're bleeding out. People aren't seeing it as the same level of priority. They're rationalizing. They're making excuses. But at the end of the day, we make time for things that are a priority to us and what we have to understand as individuals and you, the listener, have to recognize is that what is a priority to you can change based on your current feelings, emotions, situation in life. That stuff shifts on a on a dime, right? You could be freaking out because you're not going to pay rent and you don't have any money in the bank. And so now you're super motivated. So you're making the time to do all the things that you need to do. But then you catch a windfall and you get a big payout and your bills paid. And then all of a sudden you're not as motivated because you've got money in the bank and your rent's paid and you're good to go for the next thirty days. So it's no longer a priority to go and put in that effort or that work. And that's where you really start to recognize people who have created discipline, is that they've learned to continue making those things a priority, even when they are not necessarily the top priority in the moment. Hopefully, I explained that well because I kind of went down a rabbit hole there, but it was the best way to break it down.

00:07:59 Archita : No, you absolutely did. And what I could decipher from whatever you said is that it's all about priority. And people end up, you know, making time for whatever they prioritize and that is their motivation. So what I'm really hearing is that discipline isn't a personality trait. It's a practice. And that reframes time control from something exclusive into something deeply human. So let's stay with that for a moment. Um, Caleb, uh, do we, uh, when people feel constantly behind or scattered, what deeper patterns tend to be running underneath that struggle with time?

00:08:43 Drewbie Wilson: Um. Oh, I think it's a little bit of a combination of things. I think ego is number one. I think sometimes our ego will tell us, hey, I'm not worried about it. I'll get it done. I'll take care of it. Like I'll get to it before we get there. And and that's a prideful thing. And like, hey, I know I get things done. I believe in myself to handle my business. Uh, but it also can lead to procrastination and putting things off longer than necessary. So I think that's a big part of it. I think there's also the aspect of confidence. Sometimes there's something on your list that you need to get done that you're not one hundred percent confident you can do correctly. And so sometimes you kind of just make excuses not to do it and you put it off. So I think that plays a part. I think it's really important to understand that outside influences can also be a part of how you manage your day in terms of your relationships, spouse, kids, family members, people that you live with, you know, dogs, animals that you're responsible for. Sometimes their needs can come up in the middle of your priorities, and you have to be able to figure out like, what is the most important thing right now? Do I need to have a boundary in place or is this going to play a part in me not being able to accomplish the thing that I know is a priority right now. So there's a lot of different variables that can affect someone's ability to stay disciplined in the moment. Uh, but that's why I think it's an ongoing practice. Right? There's no one solution for every person. And even a solution that works right now in this moment might not work later. That's why we have to continue practicing these things and understanding that there's a nuance in how we handle every situation. And it really just comes back to focusing on what's the priority in this moment. And big picture, what serves me and the people that I'm here to help at the highest level.

00:10:57 Archita : That's that's amazing. And that's also powerful because it suggests that time chaos often reflects internal chaos. Not a lack of capability, but a lack of clarity and self-honesty. So, um, that brings me to the question. In everyday life, especially for entrepreneurs or driven individuals, how does this disconnection from time usually show up?

00:11:25 Drewbie Wilson: Um, I think it shows up a lot in procrastination. I think people will have big projects or important things that they need to get done that they'll keep putting off. Um, and, and it's the bane of existence for most people, because a lot of times the thing that you're putting off could be done relatively quickly, but in your own mind, you're building these different roadblocks or reasonings as to why it's going to take so much longer than what you're estimating, which is why you're dreading having to do it, which is just your own internal thought patterns that are creating this barrier. um, and, and oftentimes it's our own own roadblocks that we have to get out of the way of so that we can move forward and take care of these things. But the ego, the pride, the oh, I can get this done when I get to it later, procrastination shows up and unfortunately it's just a snowball effect. You know, you put this thing off and then you put this thing off, you put this thing off, and then you look up and it's the day of delivery, and now you're stressing out and going crazy because you have all these things that you didn't do with the belief of, oh, I work better under pressure. I operate better in a stressful environment, which is just your pride and ego saying that you're better than everybody else, which again, that's kind of a rabbit hole we could go down, but it it really just comes back to the individual deciding what is a priority and what serves at the highest level in this moment.

00:13:01 Archita : Yeah, that that makes sense. I mean, procrastination is something that all of us have, um, gone through or almost like once a week. It's it's in everything that we do. So it's it's not just missed deadlines or long days. It's the quite erosion of confidence over time. So when we don't keep promises to ourselves, harmony breaks down that that makes sense. Yes. And should we? I'm curious if someone wanted to begin reclaiming their time without overwhelming themselves, where would you invite them to start?

00:13:41 Drewbie Wilson: The best thing someone could do to start recognizing their time and getting control of it is start with a time study. And so a time study is a simple thing that you can do by putting an alarm in your phone and grabbing a notepad and something to write with. Or you could just write inside your phone if you use the notes app or send yourself a text message with these things. But essentially what you want to do is every time that alarm goes off, every hour of the day while you're awake, you want to take a moment, two or three minutes to write down everything that you did during that last hour, how long you spent doing it. And if you felt that it was productive use of your time or not. And what's going to happen typically is when you start doing this, you're going to be a little bit like, oh, well, I did this and I did a couple things here and I did this. And you're going to recognize that there's some stuff that you're doing that's not super beneficial. But when you really get into days like three and four of this process, because I always recommend doing it for a whole week, because every day you have a different schedule and routine. So it's always good to get a kind of a clarity of what you're doing throughout the week, not just on Mondays, but by day three or four, you're going to be cursing my name because you're going to start recognizing how much time you're wasting on things that you know are not productive. And now that you have an awareness of it, it's going to eat away at you. Because every time you go to pick up your phone to scroll or do something that's not getting you closer to the life you keep saying that you want, you now have to admit that you're making the choice to waste the most valuable asset that you have, which is your time.

00:15:49 Archita : That's some great advice. Uh, truly, truly. And I love that. It's it's very simple, repeatable, uh, and grounded. I also feel that writing things down, it really helps. And it's almost like turning time management into a daily ritual rather than a constant battle with yourself. Um, but that also makes me wonder, um, Truby, do you think our relationship with time reflects how much we value ourselves?

00:16:20 Drewbie Wilson: Uh, yeah, I think there's definitely a connection there, especially in the sense that. If you think about on a daily basis, most people are programmed to go to school, get some sort of education. And then with that education, they go get a job in the workforce and based on their education, their skill set, background, personality, like there's a lot of things that go into play there, but essentially they use all of these different variables to decide how much your time is worth. And you know, the the minimum wage in some places in the US might be ten dollars. In some countries across the world, it might be, you know, less than a dollar a day that some people earn American. And what's crazy about that is it's kind of just the norm to fall in and accept that based upon your education and where you are in life, you're only worth a certain amount of money every hour. And I think that can cause a whole cascading effect of mental struggles and barriers that people create for themselves. Because if you grew up in a family or a life where everyone around you was relatively inexperienced and didn't make a lot of money, that's just what you get used to. But the truth is, and what happened to me is at some point someone came to me and saw me putting in the work and doing these things with a specific software program online, and saw that I had a skill set they were interested in utilizing and called and said, hey, how much for an hour of your time? And it was a very humbling moment for me because I had never been really asked that question. I'd always just kind of been told, here's what your time is worth to us. This is what you're going to get. And so when someone asked me what my time was worth, I started doing the math and going, okay, well, if these people are telling me I make X dollars per hour and then I earn additional commissions on top of it because I'm in sales and my average per month is, let's say, four thousand dollars, how much is that per hour? It's like, all right, well, if I'm working forty hours a week. You know, breaking down the math like, maybe I'm worth ten, fifteen, twenty bucks an hour. And so it just started to think about that. I was like, wow, an hour of my life is only worth ten, fifteen dollars. Like, that's it's kind of scary because what if I knew I only had twenty four hours left to live? Would I still be willing to trade one hour for that same dollar amount, knowing that I only have a certain number of them left? And to be honest, no. I would want to spend it with my family. I would want to create memories. I would want to make the most of the life that I've been given with that time, knowing that at the end of the day, while money is important and it can do a lot of great things, there's still certain things that money can't buy. And that to me, I think is the biggest reality check is right now. You're being paid a certain amount of money to do the job that you do every hour, for however many hours a day you do it. And the only way for you to increase the amount of money that you get paid is to work twice as many hours, or to take the time to increase your skill set and your value in the marketplace. By listening to a podcast like this, by studying some additional skill online, taking a course, reading a book if you will make the time to improve yourself. The rest of the world will see your time as more valuable and start respecting it as such. And that was a long winded answer for you Arteta. So I appreciate you letting me get that out, but I really have to kind of go through that whole explanation so people can really understand that there they are worth so much more than they're giving them credit for in this moment. So if you're listening to this and you feel that way, go, and this is my permission to you to go and take the time to better yourself so that you can be really seeing as how valuable you truly are out there.

00:21:12 Archita : No. You'll be. Thank you truly, for sharing that. I think it's really important for people to know so that they can start valuing their time better. And it's a very interesting perspective, but also very scary. Like you just said, that it's powerful. I mean, it makes time management feel like an act of self respect, not self discipline. So yeah. But true. We yeah, we as we all know that even with the best systems life still happens. So what tends to help people return to alignment when they fall off track with their time?

00:21:50 Drewbie Wilson: Um, again, I kind of think it goes back to the time study and getting clarity about where they're spending their time. And one thing that the individuals who do that typically do is they start using their calendar as their primary source of organization. And when your calendar can be very clear about what's going well and what's not going well for you, it'll tell you exactly why you're successful or not successful. And I think that's something that a lot of individuals will start doing when you get to that point is, hey, this is my calendar. This is where everything goes. This is how I live my life. And if it's important, it'll be on there. If it's not, then I probably won't worry about it.

00:22:44 Archita : Um, yeah. I mean, that compassion, peace feels essential. Um, not punishing ourselves for slipping, but gently reducing structure as an act of self respect. And of course, there will be times when you feel low and you have to take a break, and time management might not be the first thing in your mind, but then it's all about returning to you. Know yourself to your inner alignment and that's all that matters. Really. Uh, so JRuby, for anyone listening, um, who feels overwhelmed or behind right now, I mean, what what um, what do you suggest they ask themselves?

00:23:27 Drewbie Wilson: Where am I spending my time? And is it generating the return on the investment that I feel confident in, and remembering that an investment is not always a monetary return? Sometimes we go out and we serve at church, or we give back to the community. And it's not for monetary reasons, it's for our own internal joy, fulfillment and purpose. And so understand that where you spend your time and what it gives you in return is something you want to get a lot of awareness around going forward. And now that you have some more insight and perspective on it, I'm confident that it's going to help you see that the life you want is not as far away as you might think. It's just a matter of some different decisions and actions on how you spend your time, who you spend it with, where you spend it, what you spend it doing, and how you calculate the return on that investment.

00:24:37 Archita : That's that's a really important question. And it's really important that, uh, our listeners ask themselves that today, because taking control of your time isn't about doing more. It's about living in integrity with what matters the most. So do we. For listeners who want to explore your work or learn more about your approach. Where's the best place for them to find you?

00:25:02 Drewbie Wilson: Uh, the number one thing that they can do, first and foremost would be share this episode on social media. Whatever platform you like to hang out on, share this episode tag at, call the damn leads. And what that's going to do is, uh, tell me that you spent a little bit of your time here today and got something from it that really made an impact on you. Uh, so that would be a great way to start. And then head over to call the damn leads comm. We have all of our books there also available on Amazon. I have several training programs. I have a podcast where I interview other very successful entrepreneurs and business owners about their time and how they spend it to be successful. So anywhere call the damn leads is located. You can find us, send us a message anytime. We'd love to hear from you about what you took away from this conversation today.

00:25:53 Archita : Great, great. So I'll have all the details on my show listings so that our listeners can feel free to reach out to you whenever they want and learn more about time management. So thank you for sharing that and for the clarity that you brought into this space today. So as we close, remember time doesn't need to be conquered. It can be partnered with when intention, discipline and compassion move together, harmony follows. Thank you for spending this time with us on sacred Harmony. Until next time, move gently and choose deliberately.