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Today is 10 Minutes of Tennis,

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and it is about, not really about Justin,

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it's just with Justin, our world renowned tennis pro Australian

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in Puerto Rico, Justin, today's topic,

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the importance of slice and volleys.

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Now, I will ask, why do we put them together?

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Should we do them separately,

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or are they together for a reason?

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- Let's hear a good question.

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- Guess there's an Aussie, we had to do both.

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- You know, I was just thinking the Aussies,

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you guys are good at it.

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- They needed it to get to net.

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- What it is, a critical thing in junior development,

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in junior development to learn how to feel the faith

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in words helps.

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We were talking last week about the one-handed backhand volleys.

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Well, great way to learn the one-handed backhand volleys,

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the one-handed slice.

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So I would say pretty critical element to learn as a junior,

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to change the place out, to learn how to get back in court,

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to advance, there's a lot of advantages to my name, the slice.

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And if we watch the men lately,

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we're seeing a lot of slice falling,

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that's something we didn't see too often back in the days,

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but we're seeing a lot more men learning to feel

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at the control of all, play a lot of trick shots,

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and that comes from learning how to slice.

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Otherwise, you'd be eating flat and topspin all day long.

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- Oh, day long, but it seems to be successful

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because I think Yannick sinners

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got a pretty good success rate.

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And just banging from both sides and hitting what,

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98% topspin, right?

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- Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Well, he's also extremely fit.

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Has a good Aussie coach, but Darren K.

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- Oh, you bring the Aussie into it again.

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- Yeah, yeah.

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Well, I mean, if you really looked at Sino lately,

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it's a life almost looking at Curet years ago,

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where Darren plays Doc Curet to look the level of fitness

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that anyone could just keep up with here with.

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And Sino, I'm sorry to say,

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he's looking very similar.

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He's so solid on the baseline that

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you've got to be able to match him, tight and tight.

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- Well, I'd say his slice and volleys are improving.

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So that's the thing.

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We talk a lot about, we use the professional players

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as examples, but we talk about the improvement

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even once they get on tour.

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Look at Novak's slice when he came on tour.

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He looked ridiculous.

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It was a bad shot.

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And now it's actually really, really good.

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Not everybody has that magic slice

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that Federer had from the beginning

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or that Vavranka defensive shot.

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But you brought up the forehand slice.

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That's pretty much only a defensive thing.

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I got made fun of by my friends and peers playing tennis

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'cause I'd use the forehand slice more offensively

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and more often than most.

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But I think I was also the one

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who wasn't just gonna hang back and bang balls

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from the baseline.

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But you're talking about learning this young.

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You're talking about instilling this in the juniors.

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So as early as they can, what's the advantage

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of being able to feel the difference

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between the topspin and the backspin?

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- Well, one of the hot, most hot shots in tennis right now

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is the drop shot.

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- So if you got slides, you've got a drop shot.

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And every time we see the drop shot on the forehand,

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I mean, I don't know how many times I've seen Rapa

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wind up and hit a slice forehand and shoulder height.

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And hit a drop shot like that

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because the guys, you know,

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way back into the court getting ready for big defense.

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So,

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Alfred does the same thing on the forehand.

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So it's critical just to learn the face

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and the whole purpose of the slide.

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It's not someone you're gonna hit majority of the time.

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If we're talking amateur players,

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if they've got a good slice,

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I think they maybe rely on it too much

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and they need to learn to step in

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and maybe hit more back ends

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because maybe they get some new trouble

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but you know, just being lazy and just,

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I would like to do the safe.

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- Yeah, safe, yep.

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So, you know, the slice can hurt you sometimes.

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I think if you're good at it,

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you should be able to use the whole court

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to go work on using angle, short, D line,

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inside, outside, the ball.

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I mean, I think they're just about hit every part

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of the ball on the slice back end.

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That's really critical too

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when you're hitting a good slice that'll move it around.

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And then, you know, touch your subject

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but if we bring up about three miles on the female tour,

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nothing about females do the slice

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and you look at Ash body.

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- I was gonna say, look at the success of Bardy, yeah.

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- Yeah, she's the dominant.

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- Or Stozer.

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- You just had a really good slice from young age.

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I remember working with her, she was only like 10 or 12

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her slice, which is just ridiculous.

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You know, she could put it anywhere she wants.

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And then it is an advantage.

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Like I said, it can be disadvantage

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but we get lazy on it.

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But for females, it can be a really advantage

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to make sure they've got a slice even then.

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- When I use it more,

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and I've got two questions

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from two different anecdotes we'll say.

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When I play mixed, I use the slice a lot more

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because most of my female opponents,

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the only time I ever play against the females,

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my female opponents don't like it.

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And the males don't seem to mind.

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We see it more often.

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And that's just more of a product of how we play against

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each other, males versus males and females versus females.

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But I'm not gonna bother hitting top spin

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'cause a lot of the girls I play,

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you put it in the strike zone,

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they're gonna rip it and you're in trouble.

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But if I can get it out of the strike zone,

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if I can hit that backspin that they see less often,

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they're not as used to it.

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Same with the kick serve.

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I can get that ball jumping up.

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They don't see that shot as often at the amateur level.

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But I watched as a young coach,

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I watched the young players,

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the teenage kids, the 10 to 15 year old kids,

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what they did in their free time.

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And we talk about this a lot.

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If your kid loves tennis,

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what are they doing in their free time?

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If they're playing chess,

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they don't love tennis as much as you hope they would maybe.

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But in this case,

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I would see the boys, the young boys,

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trying to see if they could spin the ball backwards

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and they'd spend hours all summer

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trying to spin the ball and have fun

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while the girls were at the pool.

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And so the next year,

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the boys would come out and be able to spin the ball

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and they'd be able to beat the girls,

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maybe not because they were better players,

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but they had this one extra skill

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that the girls weren't practicing.

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Is that what you mean by practicing it enough

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as a junior where Barney just decided

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she was gonna learn it?

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Do you think that's a coach influence?

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I think it's a bit of both.

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The girls commonly maybe just don't realize

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the benefit of it.

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And if you look at the strength of, again,

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a female anatomy now you're bringing it into the case of why,

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but female anatomy usually is two-third legs

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and they don't have the trunk as a male does.

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So that slice can really affect them.

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It's harder for them to bend down

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and get underneath the whole male.

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But, you know, short and short of females

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definitely should try and miss the slice.

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But what all I'm pointing out is that they,

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they work out if they can use the face,

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if they can learn how to get themselves out of trouble,

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they don't have to rely on it.

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It's just there as a change up as well.

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If they want to learn how to change the game up,

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they swise.

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And, but if you look at,

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if you're joining females with two hands backhand down the line

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or at least just the two handers,

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they're bigger strokes because it,

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where they get the most of the juice behind the ball.

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We're seeing a lot more taller females though.

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We're pretty strong foreheads.

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But, at the same, like, if you think about the anatomy,

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they don't have the trunk size as a male.

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So, this slice isn't favourable.

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There's a stroke that they choose.

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But, I would practice it.

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If you don't practice it, it'll be down and learning.

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It's something you'll never use.

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- Yeah, I think, I think that could be a great,

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little piece of advice, little hint that says, okay,

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if you're a 3035, maybe a 40,

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but you're a 3035 female tennis player, league player,

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go work on that slice, go work on that backspin.

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See if you can throw it in there.

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I'm really sure that's gonna help your game.

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Now, Justin, how does this relate to the volley

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coming into the end of our 10 minutes here?

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How does this relate to the volley?

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I think it's a very similar shot.

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I think the volley is a slice forehand or backhand

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with no swing.

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What's, why do we put these things together?

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Is it because they're used in combination

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or because they're technically similar?

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Or both?

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- Technically, a little bit similar,

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but I think where you find most people on amateur level,

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people are struggling with volleys,

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they don't have the bite on the ball.

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They tend to block the volley, they don't tend to,

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I call it that hammer.

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They don't learn how to feel the hammer,

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which slice can introduce them to that.

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And so when you get to the net,

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I guess it's a little bit shorter,

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but you're still getting that little bit of bite

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on the ball, which slice introduced the volley

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and the slice can prevent the workhand and hand that way.

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Ready stands as well.

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Obviously with the left hand on the throw,

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big part of the slice as well.

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But the slice will definitely help on the volley,

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learning how to, they're a little bit of bite on the ball

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and learning how to use the hands and the wrist versus,

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just blocking the ball with time.

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So yes, they've really helped each other.

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- All right, so last question,

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the importance of slice and volleys.

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Is it unbelievably important?

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Is it just kind of important?

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Is it a nice little addition?

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So if the question is, what is the importance

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of slice and volleys, how would you answer that question?

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- I'll answer that question.

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The number one tennis player from United States America,

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who extended his career,

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because Jimmy Connist wrote and had a sloth back in

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and gets to the net, and that was Andy Rudd.

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Andy Rudd, a huge forehand,

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sold it back in and a massive serve.

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But he's career popped and it's only swayed down

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until Jimmy told him how to slice and get to the net,

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and that extent he's career.

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So that's the best answer I can give you.

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- Pretty darn good answer, Justin Yell.

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This has been 10 minutes of tennis.

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