1 00:00:16,506 --> 00:00:19,446 DJ Sir Daniel: Greetings and welcome to another episode of Queue Points podcast. 2 00:00:19,466 --> 00:00:20,756 I'm DJ Sir Daniel. 3 00:00:20,996 --> 00:00:25,066 Jay Ray: And my name is Jay Ray, sometimes known by my government 4 00:00:25,096 --> 00:00:26,416 as Johnnie Ray Kornegay the third. 5 00:00:26,416 --> 00:00:30,846 And real quick, Sir Daniel, I want to send love and a shout out to Phi 6 00:00:30,876 --> 00:00:32,756 Beta Sigma Fraternity Incorporated. 7 00:00:33,056 --> 00:00:36,666 Today is our founder's day, 111 years. 8 00:00:36,926 --> 00:00:39,876 So shout out to all the brothers of Sigma. 9 00:00:40,381 --> 00:00:43,161 Love y'all and we hear sir. 10 00:00:43,161 --> 00:00:43,511 Daniel. 11 00:00:43,521 --> 00:00:50,701 This is our first public live of 2025 We did a live but it was a private one last. 12 00:00:50,931 --> 00:00:51,471 DJ Sir Daniel: Oh, yes. 13 00:00:51,471 --> 00:00:51,661 Yes. 14 00:00:51,691 --> 00:00:52,561 You like wait a 15 00:00:52,561 --> 00:00:52,611 Jay Ray: minute. 16 00:00:52,801 --> 00:00:53,051 DJ Sir Daniel: We was 17 00:00:53,061 --> 00:00:53,281 Jay Ray: live 18 00:00:53,331 --> 00:00:56,611 DJ Sir Daniel: last week No, but you're absolutely correct. 19 00:00:56,651 --> 00:01:02,141 Um, yes, this is our first live and because we are the the podcast dropping 20 00:01:02,141 --> 00:01:07,046 the needle on black music history, you know, we You know Gotta keep shout. 21 00:01:07,046 --> 00:01:08,786 We gotta a shout out to, to the Divine. 22 00:01:08,786 --> 00:01:10,196 So shout out to you and your brothers. 23 00:01:10,196 --> 00:01:10,286 Yes. 24 00:01:10,346 --> 00:01:13,706 Um, it was nothing but blue and white all on my timeline today. 25 00:01:13,706 --> 00:01:13,796 Yes. 26 00:01:13,796 --> 00:01:17,606 So I was like, it gotta be, it gotta be Founder's Day for the brothers . And 27 00:01:17,606 --> 00:01:23,696 um, also before we get started, um, we want to give, to send Massive love. 28 00:01:23,696 --> 00:01:23,846 Yes. 29 00:01:24,386 --> 00:01:28,526 And um, and just prayers to the people in Los Angeles. 30 00:01:29,146 --> 00:01:33,956 Right now, who are, you know, fighting for their lives, basically making sure 31 00:01:33,956 --> 00:01:39,196 that they evacuate, um, if they have to evacuate because of those ongoing 32 00:01:39,196 --> 00:01:45,086 fires, I heard something very important today that needed to be said, um, a lot 33 00:01:45,086 --> 00:01:50,686 of us who are outside of Los Angeles looking in might believe that it. 34 00:01:50,946 --> 00:01:54,366 These fires are only affecting rich people. 35 00:01:55,026 --> 00:01:56,086 Jay Ray: That is not 36 00:01:56,316 --> 00:01:56,746 DJ Sir Daniel: true. 37 00:01:56,846 --> 00:01:57,616 That's not the case. 38 00:01:58,246 --> 00:02:01,346 There are a lot of people who are low income, middle income, 39 00:02:01,596 --> 00:02:05,896 middle class, um, who are just being disenfranchised as we speak. 40 00:02:06,346 --> 00:02:09,866 So I think we need to, you know, turn up the empathy. 41 00:02:11,116 --> 00:02:11,856 Jay Ray: Absolutely. 42 00:02:11,896 --> 00:02:18,581 I think it's really every time there is A natural disaster. 43 00:02:18,601 --> 00:02:24,741 Literally my reflex is if a person is poor, what do they do? 44 00:02:24,751 --> 00:02:27,691 Like when they need to evacuate, like, how do they evacuate? 45 00:02:27,921 --> 00:02:31,751 If you are an individual that does not have a mode of transportation and 46 00:02:31,751 --> 00:02:34,391 they're like, you need to leave your area and you need to go somewhere. 47 00:02:34,391 --> 00:02:36,121 Like, where do you go? 48 00:02:36,191 --> 00:02:41,676 And this is where, when we talk about, um, Public resources and all of that 49 00:02:41,686 --> 00:02:45,616 that this is why voting is really important like we have to be able to 50 00:02:45,616 --> 00:02:48,246 do it Because this is devastating. 51 00:02:48,276 --> 00:02:53,376 I have seen so many images Um, we've seen video i've actually talked to 52 00:02:53,376 --> 00:02:57,016 people so i've reached out to some of our people Um to make sure that they 53 00:02:57,016 --> 00:02:58,476 were good now that was yesterday. 54 00:02:58,536 --> 00:03:02,266 I got to check in with people today Yeah, because it's a day by day thing. 55 00:03:02,316 --> 00:03:08,751 And so Listen empathy turn up the empathy because I can't imagine So 56 00:03:08,751 --> 00:03:12,811 Daniel, I literally was like, I've never seen anything like this before. 57 00:03:13,041 --> 00:03:16,601 I can't imagine what I would do in this situation. 58 00:03:17,831 --> 00:03:18,221 DJ Sir Daniel: Yeah. 59 00:03:18,301 --> 00:03:20,161 Same, same over here. 60 00:03:20,621 --> 00:03:25,941 Um, also thinking about us here in Georgia, you know, we're keeping 61 00:03:25,941 --> 00:03:27,321 our fingers crossed here in Georgia. 62 00:03:27,341 --> 00:03:30,301 Cause mother nature is about is doing her big one right now. 63 00:03:30,381 --> 00:03:30,781 Yes. 64 00:03:30,951 --> 00:03:32,211 All across the nation. 65 00:03:32,601 --> 00:03:36,481 And, um, yeah, just everybody just be safe. 66 00:03:37,041 --> 00:03:41,301 And, um, And keep in contact with your loved ones, whether they're on 67 00:03:41,301 --> 00:03:42,921 the East Coast or the West Coast. 68 00:03:43,711 --> 00:03:47,591 And just, you know, key points we wanted to show our love to you guys and 69 00:03:47,591 --> 00:03:49,141 just make sure that you're doing good. 70 00:03:49,221 --> 00:03:53,821 And just, of course, letting us know if we need to amplify a 71 00:03:53,821 --> 00:03:55,741 signal for you, if you need help. 72 00:03:56,151 --> 00:04:01,151 Let us know and we'll do what we can to, on our end, as far as our 73 00:04:01,151 --> 00:04:03,291 resources to help amplify the word. 74 00:04:03,511 --> 00:04:03,941 Jay Ray: Yeah. 75 00:04:03,941 --> 00:04:07,741 So definitely want to send, um, we just put that up from Mark McPherson. 76 00:04:07,741 --> 00:04:08,581 Shout out to Mark. 77 00:04:08,841 --> 00:04:11,831 Thank you so much for, for joining us, Mark, um, as always. 78 00:04:11,831 --> 00:04:15,711 And Mark was just saying, um, the fire has impacted his family. 79 00:04:15,751 --> 00:04:20,181 Uh, a cousin lost her home and a husband and a, and another doesn't 80 00:04:20,181 --> 00:04:22,141 know if his home is still there. 81 00:04:22,391 --> 00:04:22,851 DJ Sir Daniel: Yeah. 82 00:04:23,291 --> 00:04:23,741 Jay Ray: My goodness. 83 00:04:24,891 --> 00:04:28,716 DJ Sir Daniel: That see, those are the types of things that, We just don't 84 00:04:28,726 --> 00:04:33,236 think about, we don't think about those things and until they happen to you. 85 00:04:33,406 --> 00:04:33,636 Yep. 86 00:04:34,206 --> 00:04:39,216 So what we like to do here, you know, at Queue Points, um, you know, maybe 87 00:04:39,216 --> 00:04:42,646 this, you're not listening to this while we're broadcasting live, but 88 00:04:42,646 --> 00:04:47,596 you're listening to this at another time and it's giving you some, some joy. 89 00:04:47,626 --> 00:04:49,096 That's cause that's what we want to do. 90 00:04:49,426 --> 00:04:50,426 So we, J. 91 00:04:50,426 --> 00:04:54,396 Ray and I, you know, we get, sometimes we don't eat these topics 92 00:04:54,396 --> 00:04:56,106 literally just fall into our laps. 93 00:04:56,126 --> 00:04:56,366 Jay Ray: Yes. 94 00:04:56,746 --> 00:04:59,036 DJ Sir Daniel: Because a lot of people, you know, you got 95 00:04:59,036 --> 00:05:00,336 to love social media for this. 96 00:05:00,336 --> 00:05:02,636 A lot of people have a lot of hot takes. 97 00:05:03,306 --> 00:05:07,486 I mean really hot takes and let's see. 98 00:05:07,546 --> 00:05:08,016 Let's start. 99 00:05:08,036 --> 00:05:09,616 Do we want to start off with the tweet? 100 00:05:10,156 --> 00:05:10,406 Let's 101 00:05:10,426 --> 00:05:11,066 Jay Ray: let's start with it. 102 00:05:11,066 --> 00:05:12,246 Let's start with the tweet. 103 00:05:12,266 --> 00:05:15,836 This is so you saw this. 104 00:05:16,006 --> 00:05:18,056 Sir, Daniel, I have a question. 105 00:05:18,066 --> 00:05:21,666 Well, first of all, we're going to read the tweet And so Daniel, 106 00:05:21,666 --> 00:05:23,356 please what is this tweet? 107 00:05:23,446 --> 00:05:25,956 And what was your first thought when you read it because you 108 00:05:25,956 --> 00:05:27,346 shared it with me and I was like, 109 00:05:27,996 --> 00:05:28,616 DJ Sir Daniel: huh? 110 00:05:29,196 --> 00:05:38,816 so apparently, um Sade x goddess on december 29th Had an epiphany That r 111 00:05:38,816 --> 00:05:44,216 kelly wrote michael jackson's you were not alone and she went to x and tweeted it. 112 00:05:44,516 --> 00:05:46,196 Yes You So Mr. 113 00:05:47,606 --> 00:05:56,526 WizArab10 responded, quote tweeted, um, Sade, quote tweeted her and said, 114 00:05:57,216 --> 00:06:05,816 There is no better writer in the history of American music than R. 115 00:06:06,106 --> 00:06:06,716 Kelly. 116 00:06:07,326 --> 00:06:14,576 And of course, that set off quite the sandstorm of, you know, 117 00:06:14,876 --> 00:06:21,936 Tweets, replies, clapbacks, um, videos, it just, it went viral. 118 00:06:21,936 --> 00:06:27,276 Of course, as you can see down there, that, that tweet alone has gotten what? 119 00:06:27,576 --> 00:06:28,616 Jay Ray: What is this right here? 120 00:06:28,776 --> 00:06:30,106 3. 121 00:06:30,106 --> 00:06:32,446 1 million views. 122 00:06:33,506 --> 00:06:38,126 DJ Sir Daniel: That just to let you, that just lets you know how polarizing R. 123 00:06:38,126 --> 00:06:38,746 Kelly. 124 00:06:39,076 --> 00:06:43,726 Is even when we're not talking about the, you know, the behaviors that landed 125 00:06:43,726 --> 00:06:48,576 him in prison, you know, people are making these hot takes about him being 126 00:06:48,976 --> 00:06:53,506 the best American songwriter ever. 127 00:06:54,056 --> 00:06:55,966 And then to top it all. 128 00:06:57,081 --> 00:07:00,971 On top of all of that, you know, Teedra Moses has been in the news. 129 00:07:00,981 --> 00:07:05,221 She's, you know, her tiny, since her tiny desk, she's been popping up on 130 00:07:05,241 --> 00:07:10,411 interviews and whatnot, and she made a stop at the R&B Money podcast. 131 00:07:10,481 --> 00:07:15,631 She did podcast, uh, with tank and, um, I forget the other hosts, but 132 00:07:15,641 --> 00:07:21,291 she made a comment regarding R Kelly that set Twitter on fire as well. 133 00:07:21,321 --> 00:07:22,921 And I believe we have a clip of that. 134 00:07:22,951 --> 00:07:24,231 Jay Ray: We do have a clip 135 00:07:24,231 --> 00:07:24,751 of that. 136 00:07:28,411 --> 00:07:29,761 Adore you by Prince. 137 00:07:33,356 --> 00:07:34,736 Greatest Sex, R. 138 00:07:34,736 --> 00:07:35,116 Kelly. 139 00:07:37,666 --> 00:07:39,106 What a song! 140 00:07:39,526 --> 00:07:41,946 You can close your eyes and see everything he's saying. 141 00:07:42,746 --> 00:07:46,296 I was so angry when I heard that song. 142 00:07:46,666 --> 00:07:47,766 How did you get to anger? 143 00:07:48,756 --> 00:07:52,656 Because in my mind, I was always competing against him, even 144 00:07:52,656 --> 00:07:53,926 though I wasn't at that time. 145 00:07:54,371 --> 00:07:55,031 Space yet. 146 00:07:55,871 --> 00:07:58,881 And I was like, he's still so much better. 147 00:08:04,381 --> 00:08:04,841 The honest 148 00:08:06,881 --> 00:08:10,041 here inside my what do you say here on inside this bed of mine? 149 00:08:10,041 --> 00:08:12,841 I see ceiling fans and you on top of me. 150 00:08:12,851 --> 00:08:15,421 If you close your eyes, you can see it. 151 00:08:15,811 --> 00:08:18,081 Everything's in inside these walls. 152 00:08:18,341 --> 00:08:22,801 There was well a Capricorn top 5 RB songs. 153 00:08:25,111 --> 00:08:25,611 DJ Sir Daniel: Huh? 154 00:08:25,611 --> 00:08:28,831 So I believe okay. 155 00:08:28,841 --> 00:08:31,571 So Jay Ray, what is your reaction to that? 156 00:08:31,571 --> 00:08:36,041 And I'll let you know how come back to you. 157 00:08:36,641 --> 00:08:38,801 Jay Ray: Um, so 158 00:08:40,861 --> 00:08:43,721 I think two things can be true at the same time. 159 00:08:44,031 --> 00:08:44,341 DJ Sir Daniel: Mm hmm. 160 00:08:45,501 --> 00:08:53,671 Jay Ray: Um, As someone who has liked a lot of R. 161 00:08:53,671 --> 00:08:56,441 Kelly songs over the years, right? 162 00:08:57,866 --> 00:09:03,756 Um, I, I rebuke myself for, for liking R Kelly for longer than I should have. 163 00:09:03,786 --> 00:09:06,496 And I think I've talked about that on this show, right? 164 00:09:07,636 --> 00:09:09,636 I think two things can be true at the same time. 165 00:09:09,686 --> 00:09:16,346 I, um, I, I, I do not think that R Kelly is the greatest American songwriter. 166 00:09:16,576 --> 00:09:20,316 The reason why, by the way, I hovered over Sir Dixon's name is because I 167 00:09:20,316 --> 00:09:22,096 was like, is this person like a troll? 168 00:09:22,256 --> 00:09:25,956 And then I'm like, Oh, he has like 500 and he has like half a million followers. 169 00:09:25,966 --> 00:09:27,606 So he's not a troll. 170 00:09:27,661 --> 00:09:28,071 Right. 171 00:09:28,491 --> 00:09:37,291 So I Tiedra and tank are not off with the greatest sex, especially when you 172 00:09:37,291 --> 00:09:39,391 like jump into like lyrics like that. 173 00:09:39,411 --> 00:09:43,371 And you're like, yeah, like that is. 174 00:09:44,091 --> 00:09:49,751 Well crafted and interesting and I can see all the things and I 175 00:09:49,761 --> 00:09:51,791 get where they're coming from. 176 00:09:52,571 --> 00:09:57,391 I don't think it was worth. 177 00:09:57,441 --> 00:10:02,301 I don't think all of the vitriol that Tidra got. 178 00:10:02,691 --> 00:10:04,461 After that was worth it. 179 00:10:04,951 --> 00:10:10,261 I also don't think Teidra's responses were worth it either stuff. 180 00:10:10,441 --> 00:10:12,521 Many things can be true at the same time. 181 00:10:12,561 --> 00:10:17,231 Like, I feel like there's a lot of mess to go around. 182 00:10:17,681 --> 00:10:19,911 There's some mess with how she responded. 183 00:10:19,921 --> 00:10:23,631 There's some mess with the fact that we're talking about R Kelly and 184 00:10:23,641 --> 00:10:27,421 having to, at this point, and I feel like we have to do this reckon with 185 00:10:27,421 --> 00:10:30,691 his legacy, which is huge and vast. 186 00:10:31,141 --> 00:10:37,456 Um, And the fact that I think people be crazy on Twitter when they say stuff 187 00:10:37,456 --> 00:10:40,986 like he's the greatest songwriter I don't think that that's true, but I 188 00:10:40,986 --> 00:10:45,186 don't necessarily I don't think t dra and tank are wrong But I do think some 189 00:10:45,186 --> 00:10:47,086 of the tweets that t dra made were wrong. 190 00:10:47,236 --> 00:10:48,546 It's a lot going on with it. 191 00:10:48,626 --> 00:10:49,246 It's a lot 192 00:10:50,246 --> 00:10:57,026 DJ Sir Daniel: Yeah, I think so Basically, I think that Tidra became the 193 00:10:57,026 --> 00:11:03,896 target of a lot of women specifically became the target because a lot of 194 00:11:03,896 --> 00:11:06,806 women feel like what happened in the R. 195 00:11:06,806 --> 00:11:16,746 Kelly situation as a woman, you should be as bothered and troubled by, um, The 196 00:11:16,746 --> 00:11:21,856 things that happen to these other young women and that you as a woman should 197 00:11:21,856 --> 00:11:25,656 have want nothing to do with this and then speaking out and still calling 198 00:11:25,656 --> 00:11:32,256 his name and giving him, you know, accolades about his talents is somehow 199 00:11:33,256 --> 00:11:39,256 cheapening and lessening the, um, what happened to these people, the victims, 200 00:11:39,326 --> 00:11:41,286 the people that had these experiences. 201 00:11:41,836 --> 00:11:42,546 And so. 202 00:11:43,656 --> 00:11:48,116 Yes, I think all of that people, sometimes it does, it just takes 203 00:11:48,116 --> 00:11:52,886 one person to become a target and to become a focal point for all of 204 00:11:52,886 --> 00:11:54,336 those thoughts that people have. 205 00:11:54,706 --> 00:11:57,836 And so that day just happened to be Teedra Moses. 206 00:11:57,906 --> 00:12:01,346 And now they've been whacking tank about, cause tank, this ain't the 207 00:12:01,346 --> 00:12:04,966 first time tank is, has been called R Kelly's name on their podcast. 208 00:12:05,326 --> 00:12:07,036 And they've been whacking the people who've been whacking 209 00:12:07,036 --> 00:12:09,206 tank about that for a while too. 210 00:12:09,636 --> 00:12:13,206 So it's like, there's just, so then it makes me think. 211 00:12:14,016 --> 00:12:16,126 Like, okay, is it worth it? 212 00:12:16,936 --> 00:12:17,516 Is R. 213 00:12:17,526 --> 00:12:24,466 Kelly's music that good to be calling out his name constantly 214 00:12:25,056 --> 00:12:31,406 and to risk, you know, the vitriol of the public coming down on you? 215 00:12:31,626 --> 00:12:33,886 So that's a question that popped up in my mind. 216 00:12:34,226 --> 00:12:37,966 And then when I got to thinking about it, I started thinking, Oh, I think. 217 00:12:38,386 --> 00:12:42,626 I understand why R Kelly's music still has a chokehold on black people. 218 00:12:42,656 --> 00:12:44,226 Jay Ray: But let us have it. 219 00:12:44,246 --> 00:12:44,706 The DJ. 220 00:12:44,726 --> 00:12:46,516 So Daniel, we need a, we need a sound for this. 221 00:12:46,816 --> 00:12:47,156 DJ. 222 00:12:47,156 --> 00:12:48,946 So Daniel theory, 223 00:12:49,176 --> 00:12:51,196 DJ Sir Daniel: you know, guys, I have, I have a theory. 224 00:12:51,196 --> 00:12:51,946 I have thoughts. 225 00:12:51,946 --> 00:12:52,456 Okay. 226 00:12:52,976 --> 00:12:53,656 So 227 00:12:55,756 --> 00:12:56,716 It's threefold. 228 00:12:57,696 --> 00:12:59,956 So I believe R Kelly, I believe. 229 00:12:59,956 --> 00:13:03,036 I believe I can 230 00:13:03,036 --> 00:13:03,766 fly. 231 00:13:04,086 --> 00:13:09,286 DJ Sir Daniel: R Kelly came along at a very specific time. 232 00:13:09,956 --> 00:13:17,216 And he was able to master the R& B bad boy trope with a mix 233 00:13:17,286 --> 00:13:20,136 of sensitivity and sensuality. 234 00:13:20,136 --> 00:13:20,151 I believe. 235 00:13:20,841 --> 00:13:22,331 He came at the right time. 236 00:13:22,331 --> 00:13:28,141 He came on the coat on the coattails of Jodeci and Bobby Brown and I'll be sure 237 00:13:28,411 --> 00:13:34,031 and he took that trope of bad boy and just turn it up like he he turned it up 238 00:13:34,051 --> 00:13:40,431 bit by bit just to see how much we could take and and and the public was loving it. 239 00:13:40,731 --> 00:13:45,501 You know, women specifically, women specifically loved what R Kelly was 240 00:13:45,501 --> 00:13:49,421 giving, what he presented, what he rep, what he was presenting to them 241 00:13:49,431 --> 00:13:53,931 physically, you know, he's at that time. 242 00:13:54,566 --> 00:13:59,786 Um, you know, male R& B singers really had to, not only did you have 243 00:13:59,786 --> 00:14:01,726 to sound good, you had to look good. 244 00:14:02,196 --> 00:14:03,956 So you know, he had the body. 245 00:14:04,126 --> 00:14:08,986 He was, um, he had at every chance he could, you know, give you like somebody 246 00:14:08,986 --> 00:14:14,466 who may or may not have been in prison at one point, you know, and was giving you. 247 00:14:14,581 --> 00:14:18,341 Kind of, I just got out of prison fashions, but I'm, I'm singing to you 248 00:14:18,341 --> 00:14:23,341 at the same time and I want to make you feel safe and I'm, I'm going to sex 249 00:14:23,341 --> 00:14:27,761 you up and down and all around and just make you feel, you feel really good. 250 00:14:28,001 --> 00:14:33,751 So he met, but he was able to do other songs where he was able to, you know, 251 00:14:33,751 --> 00:14:38,211 sprinkle sensitivity in there and, you know, I want to, you know, make you feel 252 00:14:38,211 --> 00:14:43,171 like he's about to cry and, and we ate that, excuse me, we ate that stuff up. 253 00:14:43,696 --> 00:14:44,556 We ate it up. 254 00:14:45,186 --> 00:14:46,536 Women ate it up. 255 00:14:47,046 --> 00:14:53,426 And so he endeared himself to the public using that bad boy trope 256 00:14:53,766 --> 00:14:56,336 and fusing it with sensitivity. 257 00:14:57,256 --> 00:14:58,066 Second part. 258 00:14:58,786 --> 00:15:05,276 The black community, we have continuously had this back and 259 00:15:05,276 --> 00:15:11,736 forth conversation or this back and forth about The idea of masculinity 260 00:15:11,736 --> 00:15:12,916 and 261 00:15:12,916 --> 00:15:15,356 DJ Sir Daniel: how it should look and be performed. 262 00:15:16,396 --> 00:15:17,426 And R. 263 00:15:17,426 --> 00:15:22,056 Kelly just happened to come along and fulfill that and be like, Hey, 264 00:15:22,086 --> 00:15:23,586 that's something I can point to. 265 00:15:24,376 --> 00:15:25,866 That's what a real man does. 266 00:15:26,291 --> 00:15:32,131 I can feel by proxy, I can talk to my woman through R Kelly and exhibit 267 00:15:32,141 --> 00:15:38,191 maleness, masculineness, and, you know, take you down just by singing and take 268 00:15:38,191 --> 00:15:43,166 you down with these lyrics and, you know, You know, that's something that we held 269 00:15:43,166 --> 00:15:45,646 on to, you know, that's a good black man. 270 00:15:45,656 --> 00:15:47,956 That's a, you know, he's a sensual black man. 271 00:15:48,246 --> 00:15:53,576 We, he's our, he's our generations, Teddy Pendergrass and Marvin Gaye all 272 00:15:53,586 --> 00:15:57,436 rolled into one and, you know, and he looked like a man, man, you know? 273 00:15:57,436 --> 00:15:57,776 So. 274 00:15:58,601 --> 00:16:02,801 And those are things that the black community is constantly grasping for. 275 00:16:03,001 --> 00:16:03,221 Sure. 276 00:16:03,221 --> 00:16:06,641 Whether we want to admit it or not, we are constantly grasping for 277 00:16:06,651 --> 00:16:10,991 it, we are constantly pointing to examples to show what is, and now 278 00:16:11,001 --> 00:16:16,341 more than ever, what is not considered masculine or manly in the community. 279 00:16:16,801 --> 00:16:21,101 And so that, so that, those things keep us in a chokehold, kept, R. 280 00:16:21,101 --> 00:16:22,521 Kelly kept us in a chokehold. 281 00:16:22,801 --> 00:16:23,981 And last but not least. 282 00:16:24,921 --> 00:16:26,081 Jay Ray, R. 283 00:16:26,101 --> 00:16:30,031 Kelly's music is directly associated with good times and nostalgia. 284 00:16:30,341 --> 00:16:30,651 Jay Ray: Yes. 285 00:16:30,661 --> 00:16:31,091 Point 286 00:16:31,221 --> 00:16:32,651 DJ Sir Daniel: blank period. 287 00:16:32,791 --> 00:16:33,181 Jay Ray: Yeah. 288 00:16:33,971 --> 00:16:38,661 DJ Sir Daniel: There's no, like, if you're a certain age, I believe 289 00:16:38,661 --> 00:16:41,791 I Can Fly was sung at your, at your high school graduation. 290 00:16:41,951 --> 00:16:43,801 It was sung at your kindergarten graduation. 291 00:16:43,871 --> 00:16:44,531 Yes, it was. 292 00:16:45,096 --> 00:16:49,951 Okay, yeah, he did what all singers do when they want to make people cry and 293 00:16:49,951 --> 00:16:54,611 feel emotions He brings out a black choir To sing behind him and sing. 294 00:16:54,651 --> 00:16:58,451 I believe I can fly Um same thing with you are not alone. 295 00:16:58,481 --> 00:17:02,276 Yeah You know, those are, those are things that we hold on to that 296 00:17:02,276 --> 00:17:05,946 meant something to us that are, um, that was sung at our baptism. 297 00:17:05,946 --> 00:17:09,516 You are not alone because I'm walking, you know, um, Jesus is walking with me. 298 00:17:09,876 --> 00:17:14,906 R Kelly made me feel that and let's not, we popping, popping bottles in the club 299 00:17:15,086 --> 00:17:20,496 and having fun and, you know, grinding on each other to the, to the remix. 300 00:17:20,496 --> 00:17:22,116 And this is the remix to ignition. 301 00:17:22,526 --> 00:17:24,726 It was a, it was a good time. 302 00:17:24,971 --> 00:17:26,241 Those were like the gold. 303 00:17:26,251 --> 00:17:29,351 They refer to that as the golden era for a reason. 304 00:17:29,551 --> 00:17:31,261 Yeah, it was some good times. 305 00:17:31,631 --> 00:17:38,791 I R Kelly was just coming out of every speaker and we just cannot let that go. 306 00:17:40,661 --> 00:17:43,421 Jay Ray: You are absolutely correct. 307 00:17:43,431 --> 00:17:47,751 I think the other layer to it as well. 308 00:17:47,801 --> 00:17:54,851 In addition to all of those three things is that R Kelly. 309 00:17:55,871 --> 00:17:56,651 And I think because of. 310 00:17:57,261 --> 00:17:59,131 Some of his own limitations, right? 311 00:17:59,131 --> 00:18:04,831 And, and, and in the way that he, um, you know, his education and 312 00:18:04,831 --> 00:18:09,991 all of those things communicated to people was in kind of a way that 313 00:18:09,991 --> 00:18:12,701 there was no ambiguity about what R. 314 00:18:12,701 --> 00:18:14,881 Kelly was talking about, right? 315 00:18:15,371 --> 00:18:21,546 So when we think about Some of the R& B music is so funny, like how it took 316 00:18:22,056 --> 00:18:26,296 us years to figure out that they was talking about like, Oh, they're talking 317 00:18:26,296 --> 00:18:28,866 about like, I know that's what you are. 318 00:18:28,866 --> 00:18:33,056 My Starship was about until you got, you started to understand nuance. 319 00:18:33,076 --> 00:18:36,516 You started to understand like, Oh, this is a euphemism 320 00:18:36,516 --> 00:18:37,776 for this other thing, right? 321 00:18:38,066 --> 00:18:41,276 Because as you grow, you get more education and you realize how 322 00:18:41,276 --> 00:18:43,226 to communicate with some nuance. 323 00:18:43,616 --> 00:18:44,466 You know what I mean? 324 00:18:44,776 --> 00:18:46,376 R Kelly didn't do nuance. 325 00:18:46,606 --> 00:18:47,066 DJ Sir Daniel: No. 326 00:18:47,491 --> 00:18:48,161 Not at all. 327 00:18:48,171 --> 00:18:48,191 You 328 00:18:48,201 --> 00:18:48,971 Jay Ray: just didn't do. 329 00:18:49,311 --> 00:19:00,571 And I will tell you, I will tell you when I, um, as a former R Kelly fan, I'm 330 00:19:00,571 --> 00:19:04,851 going to keep repeating that because I want to be clear that I made a choice. 331 00:19:05,791 --> 00:19:10,961 Oh, in the early two thousands, really, um, to not be an R Kelly fan. 332 00:19:11,091 --> 00:19:11,491 Right. 333 00:19:11,501 --> 00:19:15,941 So just like I stepped in the name of love, unfortunately, just like with 334 00:19:15,941 --> 00:19:17,791 the best of us, you couldn't avoid it. 335 00:19:17,841 --> 00:19:20,821 It was a feel good song, but whatever, I digress. 336 00:19:22,221 --> 00:19:28,491 The thing that was so dope to me in the nineties, when R Kelly, when in 337 00:19:28,491 --> 00:19:29,901 particular, when 12 play came out. 338 00:19:32,026 --> 00:19:34,806 Was how unfiltered it was. 339 00:19:35,016 --> 00:19:36,716 So I was a kid, right? 340 00:19:37,076 --> 00:19:41,046 I wanted somebody to say they doing the thing that they doing, right? 341 00:19:41,056 --> 00:19:46,736 That was edgy and cool to me at the time, right? 342 00:19:47,196 --> 00:19:52,036 Um, it was like, Prince unfiltered, you know what I'm saying? 343 00:19:52,386 --> 00:19:57,476 Cause Prince, it was like Prince, whereas, you know, Prince was, 344 00:19:57,586 --> 00:19:58,946 Prince was a songwriter, right? 345 00:19:58,946 --> 00:20:00,356 So he could write with nuance. 346 00:20:00,386 --> 00:20:02,726 He could also be unfiltered, right? 347 00:20:02,906 --> 00:20:04,886 But that wasn't the lane. 348 00:20:04,916 --> 00:20:05,736 You know what I mean? 349 00:20:05,866 --> 00:20:06,986 Whereas I felt like R. 350 00:20:06,986 --> 00:20:08,656 Kelly was like saying the thing. 351 00:20:08,676 --> 00:20:10,776 And that was really cool to me at the time. 352 00:20:12,666 --> 00:20:13,886 Why is that important? 353 00:20:14,036 --> 00:20:20,326 I think that is important because We're now at a place 354 00:20:20,356 --> 00:20:23,586 where I wish we had more nuance. 355 00:20:24,326 --> 00:20:27,516 Like, I wish, I wish that folks read more. 356 00:20:27,556 --> 00:20:29,646 I wish that there were more words used. 357 00:20:29,916 --> 00:20:34,226 I wish that folks could learn like new vocabulary words from music. 358 00:20:34,786 --> 00:20:35,876 We not there anymore. 359 00:20:35,966 --> 00:20:37,326 I think that R. 360 00:20:37,326 --> 00:20:40,806 Kelly didn't force us to think about it too hard. 361 00:20:41,396 --> 00:20:46,016 We felt he allowed us to just feel it and experience it. 362 00:20:46,926 --> 00:20:48,136 Those are very valid. 363 00:20:48,486 --> 00:20:48,976 Right. 364 00:20:49,386 --> 00:20:49,646 Sure. 365 00:20:50,516 --> 00:20:56,116 Jay Ray: I also would like to be engaged up here. 366 00:20:56,936 --> 00:20:57,146 R. 367 00:20:57,146 --> 00:20:58,776 Kelly, to the point, it was feel good. 368 00:20:58,776 --> 00:20:59,666 You felt it here. 369 00:20:59,666 --> 00:21:00,866 You felt it in your groin. 370 00:21:00,866 --> 00:21:02,446 You felt it wherever you was going feeling. 371 00:21:02,786 --> 00:21:05,066 It wasn't necessarily that you had to think about it. 372 00:21:05,076 --> 00:21:06,256 You was just feeling it. 373 00:21:07,056 --> 00:21:08,856 And I, and I think. 374 00:21:09,791 --> 00:21:17,281 That is also a thing that made folks love the music that he was making at the time. 375 00:21:18,081 --> 00:21:22,211 Um, and is also a thing. 376 00:21:23,531 --> 00:21:25,701 It's the, it's the, it's the good and the bad of it. 377 00:21:26,021 --> 00:21:28,411 I think people saw that 378 00:21:30,816 --> 00:21:33,636 That he was able to do this right now. 379 00:21:34,046 --> 00:21:38,006 Not keep not even recognizing that he had all these other talents to write. 380 00:21:38,006 --> 00:21:39,816 So it wasn't just, you know, the lyrics. 381 00:21:39,816 --> 00:21:42,736 It was like the music and the composition and all those other things, 382 00:21:42,886 --> 00:21:50,746 which were natural talents for him, but I think that everybody saw that 383 00:21:50,756 --> 00:21:52,196 and was like, I want to do that. 384 00:21:52,256 --> 00:21:53,216 That's great. 385 00:21:53,306 --> 00:21:54,646 I want to do that. 386 00:21:55,046 --> 00:22:00,316 It kind of left the other stuff alone and I'm like, yeah, that was cool. 387 00:22:00,596 --> 00:22:02,646 But this other thing is cool too. 388 00:22:03,356 --> 00:22:08,366 Like everything don't got to sound like 12 play or the R. 389 00:22:08,366 --> 00:22:09,166 Kelly album. 390 00:22:09,396 --> 00:22:14,076 I remember Sir Daniel and I'm going to stop in a minute, but I remember when. 391 00:22:15,126 --> 00:22:20,156 You remind me of something came out I thought that song was riveting that dude 392 00:22:20,196 --> 00:22:25,476 was literally singing y'all They this is who the brother said was the greatest 393 00:22:25,476 --> 00:22:30,866 American songwriter that dude literally wrote the lyrics you remind me of my Jeep 394 00:22:33,056 --> 00:22:36,576 Something like my bank accounts I want to spend it. 395 00:22:37,336 --> 00:22:39,336 What, what, what's happening? 396 00:22:41,256 --> 00:22:43,936 DJ Sir Daniel: And let's not forget the, the yodeling at the end, 397 00:22:43,946 --> 00:22:44,386 Jay Ray: right? 398 00:22:45,736 --> 00:22:46,416 DJ Sir Daniel: The yodeling 399 00:22:48,946 --> 00:22:56,511 we sometimes when the, when the young people, um, Make fun of us and talk 400 00:22:56,511 --> 00:23:01,251 about y'all are, we are cri uh, uh, talk about our criticism of their music today. 401 00:23:01,311 --> 00:23:03,411 And they point out certain things. 402 00:23:03,416 --> 00:23:04,106 That's what they think. 403 00:23:04,106 --> 00:23:05,421 That's moment that they point out. 404 00:23:05,421 --> 00:23:07,371 And I'm just like, you got us there. 405 00:23:07,376 --> 00:23:07,426 Yeah, 406 00:23:07,426 --> 00:23:08,001 Jay Ray: we, you got us. 407 00:23:08,211 --> 00:23:08,781 We did that. 408 00:23:08,991 --> 00:23:09,651 DJ Sir Daniel: He yodel. 409 00:23:09,651 --> 00:23:10,641 Yeah, you got us there. 410 00:23:10,646 --> 00:23:11,826 You right, you right. 411 00:23:12,141 --> 00:23:13,491 That was, that was crazy. 412 00:23:13,491 --> 00:23:14,871 You sounded crazy back then. 413 00:23:15,321 --> 00:23:19,881 And to it's, I think you are, you're onto something here. 414 00:23:19,881 --> 00:23:22,701 It's like, there is, there's room. 415 00:23:23,011 --> 00:23:28,111 There's room, there's definitely room for the un, the unserious. 416 00:23:28,321 --> 00:23:29,251 There's room for camp. 417 00:23:29,251 --> 00:23:31,141 That's it really is. 418 00:23:31,141 --> 00:23:34,561 I, I think there, I really think we need more campiness. 419 00:23:34,591 --> 00:23:36,296 Mm-hmm . We need more camp in you love camp. 420 00:23:36,301 --> 00:23:36,691 Our culture. 421 00:23:36,991 --> 00:23:37,471 Uh oh. 422 00:23:37,471 --> 00:23:38,221 I love camp. 423 00:23:38,581 --> 00:23:42,301 And, and I think there's, there should be room for that only because. 424 00:23:43,226 --> 00:23:50,566 I think we are leaning more on the more destructive things that, whatever, for 425 00:23:50,566 --> 00:23:56,986 whatever reason, people are finding solace and finding, you know, Amusement in the 426 00:23:56,996 --> 00:24:02,296 things that are destructive, um, to not only to ourselves, but to each other. 427 00:24:02,976 --> 00:24:05,936 Um, but yes, I, you're right. 428 00:24:06,096 --> 00:24:11,546 We don't have to think hard when it comes to listening to a, uh, uh, R Kelly 429 00:24:11,546 --> 00:24:17,416 song and the sons of R Kelly that have come along and the grand, the grandsons 430 00:24:17,446 --> 00:24:19,436 that he have now that don't even sing. 431 00:24:20,186 --> 00:24:24,236 They, they do this melodic stuff, but they're all, they're all part 432 00:24:24,236 --> 00:24:27,006 of his lineage of saying things. 433 00:24:27,046 --> 00:24:31,416 And then, you know, it's funny when we had that conversation 434 00:24:31,426 --> 00:24:36,246 with, um, Leo, for our girl Leo. 435 00:24:36,246 --> 00:24:37,946 And I think she's over, she's over on, 436 00:24:37,946 --> 00:24:38,856 Jay Ray: yeah, she's over there on IG. 437 00:24:38,866 --> 00:24:39,026 What's up 438 00:24:39,266 --> 00:24:39,676 DJ Sir Daniel: Leo? 439 00:24:39,826 --> 00:24:46,071 You know, we had that conversation about women's, um, Reactions getting less 440 00:24:46,111 --> 00:24:55,321 and less, um, anti whatever the women becoming more acclimated to the way 441 00:24:55,371 --> 00:24:59,611 a lot of the singers and rappers were talking to them and even finding joy. 442 00:25:00,196 --> 00:25:05,406 In the music, you know, we had a whole episode about that and it's got 443 00:25:05,406 --> 00:25:11,286 to be said, you know, I think that the more we get things and we accept 444 00:25:11,286 --> 00:25:17,366 them, the less abrasive they may sound and the less crazy they may sound. 445 00:25:17,666 --> 00:25:21,646 But, you know, if you came up in a time like we did where We can tell a 446 00:25:21,646 --> 00:25:23,806 distinct difference when things change. 447 00:25:23,896 --> 00:25:24,266 Jay Ray: Yeah, 448 00:25:24,356 --> 00:25:27,436 DJ Sir Daniel: it still kind of raises an eyebrow and then looking back. 449 00:25:27,446 --> 00:25:32,286 We're like Was he really the greatest songwriter and we're going to stay 450 00:25:32,286 --> 00:25:36,126 on that because that's what the topic is That's what the topic is is like 451 00:25:36,136 --> 00:25:40,046 does he was he really the greatest songwriter because now what he was good 452 00:25:40,046 --> 00:25:46,121 at What that is That rascal was good at, was good at making songs that the 453 00:25:46,121 --> 00:25:52,491 radio, that radio programmers had no problem putting into heavy rotation. 454 00:25:52,871 --> 00:25:53,241 J. 455 00:25:53,241 --> 00:26:00,981 Ray, right here, right now, back in 2005, I remember when the program 456 00:26:00,981 --> 00:26:06,121 director that out at the radio station that I was working at told us, and 457 00:26:06,121 --> 00:26:10,411 I was producing a show called Loving Relationships with Joyce Letell on V103. 458 00:26:12,326 --> 00:26:15,966 Our program director came to us and said, Hey guys, you 459 00:26:15,966 --> 00:26:17,436 know, it would be a great idea. 460 00:26:18,236 --> 00:26:22,521 And this is when somebody's, um, They're not telling you what to do, 461 00:26:22,561 --> 00:26:23,361 Jay Ray: but they're telling you what to do, 462 00:26:23,581 --> 00:26:27,371 DJ Sir Daniel: but they're, they're suggesting, suggesting really 463 00:26:27,381 --> 00:26:36,111 heavily that you guys do a show and string all the episodes of R. 464 00:26:36,121 --> 00:26:40,321 Kelly's Trapped in the Closet and do a whole love and relationships. 465 00:26:41,001 --> 00:26:49,111 Show around trapped in the closet, and I was like what sure okay? 466 00:26:49,151 --> 00:26:54,751 We can do that But it was it was literally a no brainer the phone lines 467 00:26:54,751 --> 00:27:00,356 were lit up all night people had all kinds of things to say It was It, he, 468 00:27:00,586 --> 00:27:04,876 he did his, R Kelly did his big one with that because it got people talking. 469 00:27:05,176 --> 00:27:07,986 It got people trying to guess what was going to happen next. 470 00:27:08,256 --> 00:27:12,796 The songs, each one was less than a, if I can remember was less 471 00:27:12,796 --> 00:27:14,246 than a minute and 30 seconds. 472 00:27:14,966 --> 00:27:20,176 Which is, which is again is to his point is genius because it keeps people wanting 473 00:27:20,186 --> 00:27:27,696 to hear more and then for radio that was absolutely, that was a gold mine for 474 00:27:27,696 --> 00:27:29,936 radio because it keeps people tuning in. 475 00:27:30,336 --> 00:27:32,736 So that's what his genius is. 476 00:27:32,736 --> 00:27:37,446 He's good at getting us horny, good at getting us, you know, turned up. 477 00:27:38,006 --> 00:27:40,316 And, um, and we're nosy. 478 00:27:40,816 --> 00:27:43,946 So, of course, we want to hear, you know, want to hear what the, uh, what's going to 479 00:27:43,976 --> 00:27:46,976 happen next when he opens up the closet. 480 00:27:49,696 --> 00:27:53,226 Jay Ray: So, okay, y'all let us know. 481 00:27:53,236 --> 00:27:54,056 Drop it in the chat. 482 00:27:54,066 --> 00:27:58,896 If you want to join us, we are planning to watch trapped in the closet. 483 00:27:59,216 --> 00:28:00,486 I've never seen. 484 00:28:01,071 --> 00:28:06,521 Any of them except of except if i've caught a clip, but it's been very few 485 00:28:06,521 --> 00:28:11,861 and far between Literally r kelly does not trend in my algorithm really so 486 00:28:11,861 --> 00:28:15,621 I don't really see a lot of r kelly stuff But so i've never seen them. 487 00:28:15,631 --> 00:28:16,121 So sir. 488 00:28:16,121 --> 00:28:20,766 Daniel and I are probably going to get together And we want to invite you and 489 00:28:20,766 --> 00:28:23,786 for those of y'all that came to our live show Let them know how crunk it is 490 00:28:23,906 --> 00:28:26,966 when you come and hang out with Queue Points Outside of here because we really 491 00:28:26,966 --> 00:28:31,186 get to we really get to talk mess Um, but I want to watch the trapped in the 492 00:28:31,186 --> 00:28:34,856 closet with sir Daniel and we might as well invite all of y'all because y'all 493 00:28:34,856 --> 00:28:37,946 will want to watch it too We should all watch it together like a family. 494 00:28:38,106 --> 00:28:39,506 I want to see trapped in the closet 495 00:28:40,071 --> 00:28:41,781 DJ Sir Daniel: I see Shaniqua in the chat on IG. 496 00:28:42,741 --> 00:28:47,341 Shaniqua and I were working at the, um, at HMV Record Store during the height of R. 497 00:28:47,351 --> 00:28:48,511 Kelly's superpowers. 498 00:28:48,821 --> 00:28:55,431 So we saw plenty of those CDs walking out of the store because he, 499 00:28:56,421 --> 00:29:03,281 I don't know, he, I really believe whatever magic is associated with the 500 00:29:03,291 --> 00:29:05,901 mythology of the, um, the Pied Piper. 501 00:29:07,686 --> 00:29:14,426 Him him linking himself to that mythology of the Pied Piper was Was very smart on 502 00:29:14,426 --> 00:29:19,466 his point on his part because he really did that there was just something and 503 00:29:19,506 --> 00:29:23,426 this could be said about cult leaders You know, there was something that was 504 00:29:23,446 --> 00:29:29,916 very Magnetic about him and the things that he was doing that people just ate up 505 00:29:31,001 --> 00:29:32,371 Jay Ray: I think I think okay. 506 00:29:32,381 --> 00:29:35,721 So this is the perfect timing to talk about the pop music formula. 507 00:29:35,961 --> 00:29:37,831 Yes, I think this is the perfect timing. 508 00:29:38,051 --> 00:29:42,231 So I'm actually going to pull in there was a study that came out this year. 509 00:29:42,231 --> 00:29:42,611 Hold on. 510 00:29:42,641 --> 00:29:44,191 I'm gonna put the screen share back up. 511 00:29:44,881 --> 00:29:46,261 There was a study that came out this year. 512 00:29:46,271 --> 00:29:47,231 This is not the study. 513 00:29:47,241 --> 00:29:51,241 This is scientific scientific American did kind of a recap of it. 514 00:29:54,286 --> 00:29:58,546 So I'm gonna read a couple of pieces of this 'cause I think it's really important. 515 00:29:58,546 --> 00:30:06,166 So, when comparing today's hit tunes with the top 40 of the past decades, strong 516 00:30:06,166 --> 00:30:07,936 opinions are never in short supply. 517 00:30:07,966 --> 00:30:12,386 Every generation seems to lament its successors, musical tastes, and 518 00:30:12,386 --> 00:30:13,826 listening, listening habits, right? 519 00:30:13,826 --> 00:30:15,476 We, we get into the habit of doing that. 520 00:30:16,826 --> 00:30:21,566 What it's saying though is new research suggests. 521 00:30:21,966 --> 00:30:27,626 Popular music has indeed undergone some measurable and significant shifts 522 00:30:27,636 --> 00:30:34,256 over the past 50 years, with popular song lyrics becoming simpler, And more 523 00:30:34,306 --> 00:30:39,506 repetitive, according to a study published on Thursday in Scientific Reports. 524 00:30:39,846 --> 00:30:41,336 Here's a quick quote. 525 00:30:42,586 --> 00:30:49,926 There's more rhyming lines and also more chorus, says the study's senior author, 526 00:30:50,176 --> 00:30:55,626 Eva Zangarelli, a computer scientist at Austria's University of Innsbruck. 527 00:30:56,286 --> 00:30:59,586 We basically found that lyrics have gotten easier to comprehend. 528 00:31:00,161 --> 00:31:03,851 This trend observed across five of the most popular English language music 529 00:31:03,851 --> 00:31:10,301 genres, including rap rock R& B and country since 1970 hints at how shifts 530 00:31:10,451 --> 00:31:14,091 in music listening habits Platforms and production may be shaping pop culture. 531 00:31:14,291 --> 00:31:18,871 Here's why I wanted to mention this Because that's the thing that R. 532 00:31:18,921 --> 00:31:20,541 Kelly figured out. 533 00:31:20,541 --> 00:31:20,951 Yes, 534 00:31:20,951 --> 00:31:21,750 DJ Sir Daniel: so Sir, 535 00:31:21,750 --> 00:31:27,346 Jay Ray: sir, Daniel and I before as we were kind of preparing for this show 536 00:31:27,346 --> 00:31:32,106 Um Um pulled the lyrics to you are not alone, which I always thought was just 537 00:31:32,106 --> 00:31:36,786 like a beautiful song and then i'm like Oh, this song only has like two 538 00:31:36,946 --> 00:31:39,266 two verses like the song is all verse. 539 00:31:39,276 --> 00:31:44,266 That's it It's like some lyrics, but the lyrics are real pedestrian. 540 00:31:44,666 --> 00:31:46,016 Like there's like a verse. 541 00:31:46,496 --> 00:31:47,196 Let me pull up. 542 00:31:47,226 --> 00:31:48,016 I'm pulling it up. 543 00:31:48,476 --> 00:31:50,406 Please do you are not alone. 544 00:31:50,416 --> 00:31:55,236 We are going to read the lyrics to you are not alone together and you will understand 545 00:31:55,296 --> 00:31:58,301 exactly what we're talking about here. 546 00:31:58,921 --> 00:32:02,011 DJ Sir Daniel: Program directors all that what they're looking 547 00:32:02,011 --> 00:32:05,891 for is there they they need what we're talking about that era. 548 00:32:06,201 --> 00:32:10,881 What was attractive to a program director is whether the song was going to keep 549 00:32:10,941 --> 00:32:13,271 people tuned into their radio station. 550 00:32:14,231 --> 00:32:18,051 Um, for the amount of time that the song was on so that they could sell 551 00:32:18,051 --> 00:32:19,851 you stuff after the song was played. 552 00:32:19,981 --> 00:32:23,281 Yep, and then and then they will program it so it can be played 553 00:32:23,281 --> 00:32:25,751 again long enough so you can stay. 554 00:32:26,381 --> 00:32:30,021 And listen to, for the song to be played again so they can sell you more stuff. 555 00:32:30,111 --> 00:32:31,631 That's why it's called programming. 556 00:32:32,461 --> 00:32:37,441 And so the music had to fit into that in order for them to sell more stuff, 557 00:32:37,451 --> 00:32:43,101 they had to have so short enough to play put in rotation so they can have more 558 00:32:43,101 --> 00:32:45,711 commercials put in to sell you stuff. 559 00:32:46,151 --> 00:32:49,881 And so, as we see here, go ahead with the, I'm going to 560 00:32:49,881 --> 00:32:52,191 Jay Ray: just, I want people to understand. 561 00:32:52,371 --> 00:32:52,741 All right. 562 00:32:53,171 --> 00:32:53,981 So. 563 00:32:54,901 --> 00:32:56,101 This is You Are Not Alone. 564 00:32:56,111 --> 00:32:57,561 When you go through and you read the lyrics, I'm just 565 00:32:57,561 --> 00:32:59,131 going to read the first verse. 566 00:32:59,861 --> 00:33:01,061 Another day has gone. 567 00:33:01,371 --> 00:33:02,491 I'm still all alone. 568 00:33:02,781 --> 00:33:03,711 How could this be? 569 00:33:03,991 --> 00:33:05,131 You are not here with me. 570 00:33:05,661 --> 00:33:06,841 You never said goodbye. 571 00:33:07,101 --> 00:33:11,461 Someone tell me why did you have to go and leave my world so cold? 572 00:33:12,031 --> 00:33:17,901 And then, We go and we slip into the, the, the, the, uh, the chorus every day. 573 00:33:17,901 --> 00:33:19,551 I sit and ask myself how they love sip away. 574 00:33:19,551 --> 00:33:21,851 Something whispers in my ears and says, you are not alone. 575 00:33:22,041 --> 00:33:23,911 And then we go through the, you're a lot alone, lone, lone. 576 00:33:24,191 --> 00:33:25,061 Then we have. 577 00:33:25,501 --> 00:33:27,081 A verse which makes sense. 578 00:33:27,091 --> 00:33:28,211 We got a second verse. 579 00:33:28,311 --> 00:33:31,271 Okay, cool So then we do a little bit of that. 580 00:33:31,371 --> 00:33:35,921 All right, that's the second verse I'm not gonna read it all the way through Okay, 581 00:33:35,981 --> 00:33:37,781 then we hop back into that chorus, right? 582 00:33:38,361 --> 00:33:41,251 Then we're gonna give you a little A little bit we're gonna give you 583 00:33:41,291 --> 00:33:44,531 like a vamp then we're gonna hop right back into that chorus, right? 584 00:33:44,801 --> 00:33:47,991 And we just ride that course out for the rest of the song, right? 585 00:33:48,281 --> 00:33:48,561 Now 586 00:33:48,701 --> 00:33:51,101 DJ Sir Daniel: michael jackson do what michael jackson michael jackson 587 00:33:51,101 --> 00:33:57,201 Jay Ray: does right now This is not i'm not saying that this is unlike other 588 00:33:57,201 --> 00:34:01,181 songs that other songs don't have similar structures That's not what i'm saying. 589 00:34:01,381 --> 00:34:06,696 What i'm saying is r kelly very early figured out that I only 590 00:34:06,696 --> 00:34:07,866 need to give them a little bit. 591 00:34:07,906 --> 00:34:10,186 I need to give them a I don't need to overthink these 592 00:34:10,186 --> 00:34:12,896 verses I need to make them. 593 00:34:12,896 --> 00:34:17,416 I need to make them clear and concise Give them some hot vamps 594 00:34:17,486 --> 00:34:20,546 and a great hook and a great chorus. 595 00:34:20,816 --> 00:34:23,256 And we're going to ride that thing out four minutes. 596 00:34:24,696 --> 00:34:28,076 DJ Sir Daniel: And less than that, and shout out to Shaniqua to, um, bringing 597 00:34:28,096 --> 00:34:30,766 up Mariah Carey and her 5 words. 598 00:34:30,946 --> 00:34:31,166 Yes. 599 00:34:31,186 --> 00:34:34,126 I love a good Mariah Carey, 5 word. 600 00:34:34,476 --> 00:34:38,416 I love the fact that she could put, she could fit incessantly. 601 00:34:38,656 --> 00:34:43,536 Into a song lyric, I'm all for it, but even Mariah Carey, you know, she, 602 00:34:43,546 --> 00:34:48,556 she's going to give you a thoughtful lyric, but all artists after a while, 603 00:34:48,556 --> 00:34:53,346 they figured out, Oh, we've got to, in order for our songs to make it. 604 00:34:53,906 --> 00:34:59,516 To um, to airplay, we've gotta, we've gotta um, make it concise. 605 00:34:59,556 --> 00:35:04,526 We've gotta dumb it down a little bit and even take out bridges. 606 00:35:04,526 --> 00:35:06,846 And that's what a lot of people are complaining about now is that 607 00:35:06,846 --> 00:35:08,366 songs don't have bridges anymore. 608 00:35:08,376 --> 00:35:09,656 Jay Ray: I want a bridge! 609 00:35:09,781 --> 00:35:11,701 Listen, we need to campaign. 610 00:35:11,971 --> 00:35:14,151 Queue Points has always been campaigning for the bridge. 611 00:35:14,421 --> 00:35:15,791 Bring back the bridge. 612 00:35:15,971 --> 00:35:18,051 We want to understand the song. 613 00:35:18,161 --> 00:35:20,081 We need time to get into this thing. 614 00:35:20,171 --> 00:35:24,551 So baby, I need you to bridge me and to tell me what we need to know. 615 00:35:25,301 --> 00:35:27,971 DJ Sir Daniel: That's why here at Queue Points, we always speak Michelle 616 00:35:27,971 --> 00:35:29,561 Williams, the black Michelle Williams. 617 00:35:29,561 --> 00:35:33,721 We always speak her name because she is the queen of bridge. 618 00:35:34,361 --> 00:35:34,861 You know, Beyonce 619 00:35:35,011 --> 00:35:35,461 Jay Ray: was in the studio. 620 00:35:35,491 --> 00:35:37,261 Michelle, Go in and do your thing. 621 00:35:37,261 --> 00:35:37,821 Go and handle 622 00:35:38,291 --> 00:35:38,481 DJ Sir Daniel: that. 623 00:35:38,481 --> 00:35:39,681 Go and handle that for me. 624 00:35:40,681 --> 00:35:45,141 Jay Ray: Okay, but I do want to, the beauty, I'm so glad you mentioned Mariah. 625 00:35:45,281 --> 00:35:48,711 We also, Laura Hill put the word reciprocity into a song. 626 00:35:49,596 --> 00:35:51,801 DJ Sir Daniel: Reciprocity. 627 00:35:53,131 --> 00:35:53,771 Stop it now. 628 00:35:54,281 --> 00:35:54,951 Jay Ray: Stop it. 629 00:35:55,071 --> 00:35:55,981 I'm just I'm just 630 00:35:58,941 --> 00:36:01,381 That's a five syllable word 631 00:36:02,081 --> 00:36:02,431 DJ Sir Daniel: that you 632 00:36:02,431 --> 00:36:02,931 Jay Ray: have to 633 00:36:02,981 --> 00:36:05,211 DJ Sir Daniel: sing real quick. 634 00:36:05,211 --> 00:36:10,671 Jay Ray are we haven't chatted with our buddy in a long time, but Daryl. 635 00:36:11,036 --> 00:36:13,486 Darryl is in the chat on Instagram. 636 00:36:13,486 --> 00:36:15,356 We gotta shout out our friend Darryl. 637 00:36:15,516 --> 00:36:18,086 We, we are praying for you out there on the West Coast. 638 00:36:18,096 --> 00:36:19,326 I hope you're all good. 639 00:36:19,326 --> 00:36:22,256 I saw you post earlier that you're good and I want to make sure that 640 00:36:22,256 --> 00:36:24,476 you're still staying good out there. 641 00:36:24,476 --> 00:36:27,326 And we, you know, we're thinking about you and the whole West and the 642 00:36:27,326 --> 00:36:29,106 whole Los Angeles in this moment. 643 00:36:29,116 --> 00:36:29,616 Jay Ray: Yes. 644 00:36:30,061 --> 00:36:31,631 So y'all and you know, it's so funny. 645 00:36:31,631 --> 00:36:32,701 So Instagram is over here. 646 00:36:32,701 --> 00:36:35,251 So I can't even read like what's happening I see y'all is popping 647 00:36:35,261 --> 00:36:38,201 over on IG But yes, and I see it. 648 00:36:38,211 --> 00:36:42,541 Everybody is like yo to the bridge bring bridges back We playing with these 649 00:36:42,541 --> 00:36:47,131 people by not giving them a bridge so that we can really get into these songs. 650 00:36:47,301 --> 00:36:50,991 Okay and so R. 651 00:36:50,991 --> 00:36:52,411 Kelly back to R. 652 00:36:52,411 --> 00:36:56,741 Kelly is Has R. 653 00:36:56,741 --> 00:37:05,271 Kelly proven himself over the years to be Um, he's a good crafter of songs. 654 00:37:05,321 --> 00:37:06,071 You know what I'm saying? 655 00:37:06,531 --> 00:37:11,171 It's undeniable like you can't even undeny that we are not talking about 656 00:37:11,181 --> 00:37:15,001 R Kelly the person and all that other stuff that we absolutely disagree with. 657 00:37:15,011 --> 00:37:17,851 We have been very clear about where we stand on that stuff 658 00:37:18,311 --> 00:37:19,731 with him as a songwriter. 659 00:37:19,731 --> 00:37:20,241 We get it. 660 00:37:20,531 --> 00:37:21,251 We get that. 661 00:37:21,481 --> 00:37:25,851 Is he the greatest American songwriter ahead of a head of 662 00:37:25,861 --> 00:37:28,631 like Smokey Robinson ahead of? 663 00:37:28,631 --> 00:37:28,806 I. 664 00:37:29,076 --> 00:37:35,446 There are so many I cut carol king a pair There are so many songwriters 665 00:37:35,896 --> 00:37:39,126 DJ Sir Daniel: so many and I think Yes. 666 00:37:39,156 --> 00:37:39,496 Okay. 667 00:37:39,496 --> 00:37:40,256 So here's the thing. 668 00:37:40,286 --> 00:37:45,856 We understand that people get on x or twitter And they talk greasy they 669 00:37:45,926 --> 00:37:49,436 hot takes or call hot takes just for that Sometimes you just throw it 670 00:37:49,436 --> 00:37:53,626 out there just to get people riled up and this and the that twitter 671 00:37:53,626 --> 00:37:56,106 user did just that With his 3. 672 00:37:56,146 --> 00:38:01,836 5 million views on this one tweet But I think, so here's a question. 673 00:38:02,656 --> 00:38:03,166 If R. 674 00:38:03,166 --> 00:38:09,726 Kelly never got into trouble or never, or his, um, antics never got brought into 675 00:38:09,726 --> 00:38:13,136 the light, do you think in a few years, J. 676 00:38:13,136 --> 00:38:15,636 Ray, that we could have possibly seen R. 677 00:38:15,636 --> 00:38:21,676 Kelly inducted into like a Kennedy Honors as a, um, American songwriter, 678 00:38:21,676 --> 00:38:26,556 like alongside the likes of Carole King and, you know, Aretha 679 00:38:26,556 --> 00:38:28,516 Franklin and, and those people? 680 00:38:28,676 --> 00:38:33,356 Jay Ray: I, I don't actually, I don't, I don't, and not because I think he, 681 00:38:35,786 --> 00:38:47,946 those spaces, I think you have to have more cachet in white world. 682 00:38:48,766 --> 00:38:50,426 Not to say that white people didn't love R. 683 00:38:50,426 --> 00:38:52,236 Kelly too, because white people definitely did. 684 00:38:52,236 --> 00:38:53,936 You can't sell as many records as he did. 685 00:38:53,936 --> 00:38:55,296 And I have white people loving you too. 686 00:38:55,696 --> 00:39:02,686 But I do think Our Kelly was much more of a black famous star and he 687 00:39:02,686 --> 00:39:07,016 would have gotten whatever accolades in black culture that we would have 688 00:39:07,016 --> 00:39:08,596 given him at the highest level. 689 00:39:08,786 --> 00:39:12,176 Our Kelly would have definitely gotten those awards. 690 00:39:12,656 --> 00:39:15,786 I don't think you can write the lyrics that are make the 691 00:39:15,786 --> 00:39:17,436 songs that are Kelly made. 692 00:39:17,626 --> 00:39:21,796 I don't think you can make like an ignition and get like a Kennedy honor. 693 00:39:24,806 --> 00:39:26,966 DJ Sir Daniel: This is not going to happen, right? 694 00:39:28,256 --> 00:39:28,856 Yeah, I mean, 695 00:39:28,936 --> 00:39:30,266 Jay Ray: correct me if I'm wrong, y'all. 696 00:39:30,266 --> 00:39:32,616 Let me know in the chat, like IG. 697 00:39:32,666 --> 00:39:33,486 I mean, can. 698 00:39:34,131 --> 00:39:35,781 Can you, can you 699 00:39:36,121 --> 00:39:39,561 DJ Sir Daniel: do your, yes, you all there in the IG chat, all, all of the chats. 700 00:39:39,991 --> 00:39:40,881 Can you see R. 701 00:39:40,881 --> 00:39:44,901 Kelly if he hadn't, if all of that stuff had not come into the, into the light. 702 00:39:45,381 --> 00:39:45,871 Could R. 703 00:39:45,871 --> 00:39:53,051 Kelly have been inducted into like the Kennedy honors as a American of the great, 704 00:39:53,051 --> 00:39:54,981 one of the greatest American songwriters. 705 00:39:55,261 --> 00:39:58,881 Now to your point, Jay Ray, I do think he was knocking on becoming white 706 00:39:58,881 --> 00:40:03,836 people famous when he did, when he made a duet with That duet with, um, Lady 707 00:40:03,836 --> 00:40:12,236 Gaga, Lady Gaga, and I'm going to tell you, I thoroughly enjoyed that song. 708 00:40:12,436 --> 00:40:12,696 Jay Ray: What was it? 709 00:40:13,426 --> 00:40:14,906 Do what you want to my body. 710 00:40:14,906 --> 00:40:15,826 Do what you want with my body. 711 00:40:16,146 --> 00:40:18,276 DJ Sir Daniel: Which in retrospect, you know. 712 00:40:18,296 --> 00:40:18,526 It's a 713 00:40:18,526 --> 00:40:19,106 Jay Ray: whole mess. 714 00:40:19,236 --> 00:40:19,886 DJ Sir Daniel: It's a whole mess. 715 00:40:20,526 --> 00:40:22,216 But I, listen. 716 00:40:22,576 --> 00:40:26,076 That thing I used to that I used to bump that that R. 717 00:40:26,076 --> 00:40:30,826 Kelly and Lady Gaga something serious I even made my own my own mashup. 718 00:40:30,896 --> 00:40:32,006 Did you? 719 00:40:32,146 --> 00:40:32,626 did. 720 00:40:32,626 --> 00:40:33,106 I 721 00:40:33,106 --> 00:40:36,156 Jay Ray: want to hear your mashup of do what you want 722 00:40:36,386 --> 00:40:38,626 DJ Sir Daniel: Is do what you want the the acapella? 723 00:40:38,626 --> 00:40:43,476 Well, I made I did filtered out my own acapella and um And partnered it 724 00:40:43,476 --> 00:40:45,656 with the, the yin yang twins whisper. 725 00:40:46,146 --> 00:40:48,506 Jay Ray: That is an appropriate combination. 726 00:40:48,506 --> 00:40:52,396 DJ Sir Daniel: Oh, yes, absolutely. 727 00:40:52,456 --> 00:40:53,526 Jay Ray: So check this. 728 00:40:53,526 --> 00:40:54,596 Look at the, look at the chat. 729 00:40:54,606 --> 00:40:56,756 Let's talk about what the people are saying. 730 00:40:59,236 --> 00:40:59,636 Yeah. 731 00:41:00,186 --> 00:41:00,556 Yeah. 732 00:41:00,556 --> 00:41:00,906 No. 733 00:41:00,956 --> 00:41:03,646 So the people are like, nah, son. 734 00:41:05,111 --> 00:41:07,321 DJ Sir Daniel: Yeah, it looks like a big, a big fat. 735 00:41:07,321 --> 00:41:07,751 No. 736 00:41:07,761 --> 00:41:09,941 So I don't know. 737 00:41:09,951 --> 00:41:13,541 Maybe it's just the people that watch that watch and listen to this podcast. 738 00:41:13,541 --> 00:41:16,231 So they're just like, not going to happen. 739 00:41:16,831 --> 00:41:19,321 Or there are, but there's a segment. 740 00:41:19,561 --> 00:41:26,921 We cannot ignore that segment of the community that is not letting go. 741 00:41:27,631 --> 00:41:28,531 Of R Kelly. 742 00:41:28,551 --> 00:41:33,791 It's like that picture of black Jesus and JFK in every black home 743 00:41:33,921 --> 00:41:35,651 in the sixties and seventies. 744 00:41:36,441 --> 00:41:38,501 Some black people just aren't going to let it go. 745 00:41:38,521 --> 00:41:42,621 They are not going to let, let go of that picture of Martin Jay, 746 00:41:42,681 --> 00:41:45,161 JFK and black Jesus in their home. 747 00:41:45,171 --> 00:41:46,721 They're just not going to let it go. 748 00:41:46,741 --> 00:41:50,511 Despite everything that has come to light. 749 00:41:53,931 --> 00:42:00,851 Jay Ray: I think we are far enough removed from. 750 00:42:02,656 --> 00:42:02,906 R. 751 00:42:02,916 --> 00:42:05,126 Kelly's imprisonment. 752 00:42:06,636 --> 00:42:07,376 That folks. 753 00:42:09,466 --> 00:42:12,616 I think these are all personal decisions. 754 00:42:12,616 --> 00:42:13,076 You know what? 755 00:42:13,096 --> 00:42:14,346 This is a personal decisions. 756 00:42:14,676 --> 00:42:20,846 Jay Ray has long decided to not be an R Kelly fan. 757 00:42:20,846 --> 00:42:23,536 So I don't got I don't got nothing. 758 00:42:23,766 --> 00:42:24,926 I'm always weird. 759 00:42:24,956 --> 00:42:28,856 When an R Kelly song that was the R Kelly and Jay Fiesta came on and on the 760 00:42:28,856 --> 00:42:33,216 radio the other day and I'm like, oh, we're playing songs with R Kelly in it. 761 00:42:33,216 --> 00:42:34,666 Now, is that what we're doing? 762 00:42:35,846 --> 00:42:36,786 I don't like it. 763 00:42:37,296 --> 00:42:41,776 DJ Sir Daniel: And I think, you know, I'm one of those DJs where 764 00:42:41,776 --> 00:42:45,176 I'm not, I'm just going to be controversial to be controversial. 765 00:42:45,626 --> 00:42:49,026 I am going to put on this R Kelly song and I dare one of y'all 766 00:42:49,026 --> 00:42:49,986 to come say something to me. 767 00:42:50,366 --> 00:42:52,446 That's not that that's not my bag. 768 00:42:52,506 --> 00:42:54,716 I there's plenty of music around that. 769 00:42:54,716 --> 00:42:56,726 I can play old and new. 770 00:42:57,691 --> 00:42:58,361 in a set. 771 00:42:58,651 --> 00:43:01,281 I don't have to make that a part of my repertoire. 772 00:43:01,281 --> 00:43:01,721 Why? 773 00:43:02,021 --> 00:43:05,551 Because it just has an ick factor to it to me. 774 00:43:07,031 --> 00:43:10,331 Jay Ray: You said something earlier that I think is really important. 775 00:43:12,851 --> 00:43:16,621 People have to decide what hills they want to like make their thing. 776 00:43:17,831 --> 00:43:18,181 This R. 777 00:43:18,181 --> 00:43:19,711 Kelly thing is not worth it to me. 778 00:43:19,711 --> 00:43:24,491 First of all, The despicable things that that man has done. 779 00:43:25,381 --> 00:43:29,061 I don't even want that type of energy, even though I don't know. 780 00:43:29,061 --> 00:43:29,721 No R Kelly. 781 00:43:29,721 --> 00:43:30,351 I never met. 782 00:43:30,351 --> 00:43:31,271 No R Kelly. 783 00:43:31,551 --> 00:43:33,001 I don't want that kind of energy. 784 00:43:33,001 --> 00:43:35,591 Nowhere near me, even though it's just coming through the speaker. 785 00:43:35,671 --> 00:43:36,811 I don't want none of it. 786 00:43:37,101 --> 00:43:39,121 I don't want none of it near me. 787 00:43:39,711 --> 00:43:41,051 And so I do think. 788 00:43:42,511 --> 00:43:49,041 That people get to make choices about we decided to have this 789 00:43:49,041 --> 00:43:53,141 conversation because we were very confused about somebody saying that R. 790 00:43:53,141 --> 00:43:54,901 Kelly was the greatest American songwriter. 791 00:43:55,621 --> 00:43:58,071 I mean ever ever that's wild. 792 00:43:58,211 --> 00:44:00,501 That is a wild statement to make. 793 00:44:01,441 --> 00:44:04,261 That's the reason why we wanted to have this discussion. 794 00:44:05,261 --> 00:44:11,921 I if it was not this conversation, if we do, if we did not see that tweet, we 795 00:44:11,921 --> 00:44:13,011 probably wouldn't be talking about R. 796 00:44:13,021 --> 00:44:13,381 Kelly. 797 00:44:13,876 --> 00:44:19,856 DJ Sir Daniel: Yeah, so Nick, Nick fresh, just use the, uh, a quote on 798 00:44:19,856 --> 00:44:23,876 the timeline saying called, um, the people that are keeping like R Kelly 799 00:44:23,876 --> 00:44:26,316 alive, like, is there still their theme? 800 00:44:26,486 --> 00:44:32,106 Theme music are like the hotel uncles and he's, and this is a segment of, of 801 00:44:32,116 --> 00:44:35,886 black men that specifically feel like R. 802 00:44:35,886 --> 00:44:41,466 Kelly is a victim of a system trying to take him out systematically 803 00:44:41,476 --> 00:44:45,016 because he is a black man and R. 804 00:44:45,016 --> 00:44:48,926 Kelly was about to buy Jive Records 805 00:44:48,926 --> 00:44:51,556 and 806 00:44:51,556 --> 00:44:57,046 DJ Sir Daniel: he wasn't, well, he, but he, he's, he was, he, he's a victim 807 00:44:57,246 --> 00:44:59,996 of systematic racism, which is not. 808 00:45:00,716 --> 00:45:01,716 Which is not far. 809 00:45:01,726 --> 00:45:05,116 He's a victim of a very bad educational system. 810 00:45:05,426 --> 00:45:08,156 He's a victim of a lot of child abuse, 811 00:45:08,216 --> 00:45:09,726 Jay Ray: child abuse and assault and all 812 00:45:10,186 --> 00:45:11,076 DJ Sir Daniel: of those things. 813 00:45:11,076 --> 00:45:13,856 That man has been victimized throughout his whole life. 814 00:45:13,926 --> 00:45:15,936 And what and what do victims do? 815 00:45:15,976 --> 00:45:18,136 They tend to victimize other people. 816 00:45:18,466 --> 00:45:20,746 That's not always in R. 817 00:45:20,766 --> 00:45:21,556 Kelly's case. 818 00:45:21,636 --> 00:45:22,736 This is what happened. 819 00:45:22,736 --> 00:45:23,796 You're absolutely right. 820 00:45:24,236 --> 00:45:29,771 Now, trying to Put him up on nail him to a cross and make him 821 00:45:29,811 --> 00:45:32,261 and make him the savior of R& B. 822 00:45:34,851 --> 00:45:39,901 You know, again, like Jay Ray said, if that's the hill you want to die 823 00:45:39,901 --> 00:45:45,151 on, if that's the, if that's the, the, the road to Calvary for you, 824 00:45:45,411 --> 00:45:49,041 that's what you want to carry on your back by all means do that. 825 00:45:49,401 --> 00:45:53,891 But I, but back to the topic, back to the topic, I 826 00:45:53,891 --> 00:45:55,091 Jay Ray: want to share something. 827 00:45:55,331 --> 00:45:59,471 This is the man That y'all want to raise up. 828 00:46:00,021 --> 00:46:00,721 This is him. 829 00:46:00,951 --> 00:46:02,221 Here's what he said. 830 00:46:02,361 --> 00:46:03,661 Here's what he said. 831 00:46:08,321 --> 00:46:09,701 You remind me of my Jeep. 832 00:46:09,711 --> 00:46:10,601 I want to ride it. 833 00:46:11,431 --> 00:46:12,921 Something like my sound. 834 00:46:13,291 --> 00:46:15,641 I want to pump it girl. 835 00:46:15,641 --> 00:46:18,631 You look just like my cars. 836 00:46:18,911 --> 00:46:20,371 I want to wax it. 837 00:46:20,621 --> 00:46:20,991 What? 838 00:46:21,711 --> 00:46:23,511 And something like my bank accounts. 839 00:46:23,761 --> 00:46:24,861 I want to spend it. 840 00:46:24,861 --> 00:46:25,701 And he repeated it. 841 00:46:27,931 --> 00:46:28,321 Okay. 842 00:46:28,656 --> 00:46:31,366 This, this is not worth it. 843 00:46:36,596 --> 00:46:37,026 It's not worth it. 844 00:46:37,026 --> 00:46:37,510 I don't 845 00:46:37,510 --> 00:46:37,964 DJ Sir Daniel: know. 846 00:46:37,964 --> 00:46:39,326 I don't know. 847 00:46:39,326 --> 00:46:43,826 I don't think this is, but I don't think this is an episode where we're 848 00:46:44,846 --> 00:46:50,536 definitively trying to say that R Kelly can't be the greatest American 849 00:46:50,536 --> 00:46:54,316 songwriter because clearly there's a lot of people who still ride for him. 850 00:46:55,041 --> 00:47:01,041 I'm saying that , but what we're saying over here, as for me and my house, as 851 00:47:01,041 --> 00:47:04,251 for me about house, it's not flying. 852 00:47:04,341 --> 00:47:05,746 No, that's the bull. 853 00:47:05,901 --> 00:47:06,591 That's cap. 854 00:47:06,621 --> 00:47:07,311 And that kids, what 855 00:47:07,311 --> 00:47:08,106 Jay Ray: they say, that's cat. 856 00:47:08,111 --> 00:47:08,781 That's the young people 857 00:47:08,781 --> 00:47:09,801 DJ Sir Daniel: say it's cap. 858 00:47:09,861 --> 00:47:11,961 That's not, that's cap. 859 00:47:11,961 --> 00:47:12,621 It's a skull. 860 00:47:12,621 --> 00:47:13,251 Scully. 861 00:47:13,281 --> 00:47:13,971 It's a hoodie. 862 00:47:13,971 --> 00:47:14,931 It's all of the things. 863 00:47:14,961 --> 00:47:19,551 It's not the truth over here, . So I don't know. 864 00:47:19,551 --> 00:47:20,181 Try again. 865 00:47:21,086 --> 00:47:21,956 Try 866 00:47:22,886 --> 00:47:23,526 Jay Ray: again. 867 00:47:23,876 --> 00:47:25,816 DJ Sir Daniel: I mean, you got, Oh, no, I don't. 868 00:47:25,866 --> 00:47:29,416 I almost brought up another name, but I don't want to go off into that tangent 869 00:47:29,446 --> 00:47:32,566 because he's definitely a son of R Kelly. 870 00:47:33,216 --> 00:47:34,806 And I'm not going to, I'm not going to bring that up. 871 00:47:36,986 --> 00:47:37,266 Do we 872 00:47:37,266 --> 00:47:37,936 Jay Ray: want, who? 873 00:47:37,936 --> 00:47:43,116 Who? 874 00:47:45,876 --> 00:47:48,026 DJ Sir Daniel: Maybe this should be like a, a paper. 875 00:47:48,476 --> 00:47:51,216 Should this be a Patriot conversation? 876 00:47:51,656 --> 00:47:52,166 I don't know what I'm now. 877 00:47:53,551 --> 00:47:54,801 Jay Ray: Oh, I mean, we could do that. 878 00:47:54,801 --> 00:47:56,471 Y'all want to come and hang out with us again. 879 00:47:56,471 --> 00:47:58,211 Well, apparently we got to have another conversation. 880 00:47:58,211 --> 00:47:58,991 I don't even know who's there. 881 00:47:58,991 --> 00:47:59,991 Daniel's about to mention. 882 00:48:00,211 --> 00:48:00,941 I do not know this 883 00:48:00,941 --> 00:48:02,871 DJ Sir Daniel: person was on the verge of being in trouble 884 00:48:02,911 --> 00:48:05,481 also, but that quietly went away. 885 00:48:06,031 --> 00:48:07,041 That's all I'm going to say. 886 00:48:07,841 --> 00:48:08,231 Jay Ray: Okay. 887 00:48:08,431 --> 00:48:12,971 DJ Sir Daniel: That accusation came and went and went quietly away. 888 00:48:13,141 --> 00:48:13,521 Jay Ray: Okay. 889 00:48:14,281 --> 00:48:14,531 Okay. 890 00:48:15,101 --> 00:48:18,041 These are, these are things more to come. 891 00:48:18,251 --> 00:48:20,221 So here's what y'all need to do. 892 00:48:20,566 --> 00:48:21,986 Here's what y'all need to do to stay up. 893 00:48:21,996 --> 00:48:22,816 You see what just happened? 894 00:48:23,326 --> 00:48:24,656 There's like a cliffhanger. 895 00:48:24,946 --> 00:48:28,366 So Please y'all. 896 00:48:28,596 --> 00:48:39,776 Thank y'all so much For I see the chat It is going crazy on ig and I love it Y'all 897 00:48:39,996 --> 00:48:43,626 thank y'all so much for rocking with us. 898 00:48:43,626 --> 00:48:44,556 We appreciate it. 899 00:48:44,586 --> 00:48:48,811 It is a new year um, if you Subscribe to Queue Points. 900 00:48:48,831 --> 00:48:51,851 You will notice that we do have new artwork. 901 00:48:53,361 --> 00:48:53,921 DJ Sir Daniel: Yeah, you know what? 902 00:48:53,921 --> 00:48:55,431 We got to post it on our IG. 903 00:48:55,461 --> 00:48:55,781 We got to 904 00:48:55,781 --> 00:48:58,271 Jay Ray: post it on our IG because we haven't done that yet, but we have a 905 00:48:58,281 --> 00:49:00,631 new artwork done by James Dillenbeck. 906 00:49:00,671 --> 00:49:02,541 Thank you so much, James, for that. 907 00:49:03,361 --> 00:49:03,971 And we're kicking off. 908 00:49:04,011 --> 00:49:05,671 You don't see we have a new look. 909 00:49:05,691 --> 00:49:06,491 We got a look. 910 00:49:07,166 --> 00:49:12,316 Here, you know, we doing some things, you know, moving and shaking So thank 911 00:49:12,316 --> 00:49:14,866 you all so much for just rocking with us We really appreciate it. 912 00:49:14,866 --> 00:49:18,636 If you can see our faces or hear our voices, please subscribe wherever you 913 00:49:18,666 --> 00:49:23,566 are I want to do a quick shout out tree was over and I don't a tree what's 914 00:49:23,566 --> 00:49:26,646 happening You say a good evening and we want to make sure that we acknowledge 915 00:49:26,646 --> 00:49:31,501 you um over on youtube, but Thank you. 916 00:49:31,531 --> 00:49:32,881 Subscribe wherever you are. 917 00:49:33,191 --> 00:49:34,391 Visit our website at Queue Points. 918 00:49:34,581 --> 00:49:35,061 com. 919 00:49:35,081 --> 00:49:36,141 You can check out our blog. 920 00:49:36,171 --> 00:49:39,851 You can listen to all of our old episodes of Queue Points and 921 00:49:39,861 --> 00:49:41,501 you can shop our store at store. 922 00:49:41,741 --> 00:49:42,241 Queue Points. 923 00:49:42,391 --> 00:49:42,691 com. 924 00:49:42,851 --> 00:49:43,391 We love y'all. 925 00:49:43,391 --> 00:49:44,091 We appreciate y'all. 926 00:49:44,751 --> 00:49:45,361 DJ Sir Daniel: We sure do. 927 00:49:45,361 --> 00:49:48,261 And Jay Ray, what do I say at the end of every episode? 928 00:49:49,451 --> 00:49:50,241 My, my eyes. 929 00:49:50,241 --> 00:49:53,271 And let me stop this life. 930 00:49:53,271 --> 00:49:54,151 You have a choice. 931 00:49:55,276 --> 00:49:58,376 You can either pick up the needle or you can let the record play. 932 00:49:58,416 --> 00:49:59,756 I'm DJ Sir Daniel. 933 00:49:59,826 --> 00:50:01,116 My name is Jay Ray, y'all. 934 00:50:01,466 --> 00:50:05,856 And this is Queue Points podcast, dropping the needle on black music history. 935 00:50:06,136 --> 00:50:08,646 We will see you all in the next go round.