Welcome back to We Are Already Free, Beautiful humans.

I am so excited to be here.

And the big question for today and for this episode and why I have this guest on is what if your body isn't something to be fixed?

What if it's a sacred vessel of wisdom waiting to be heard?

And the way that I came to this guest is that I was browsing on substack and I just saw a post.

I didn't follow him or anything.

His name is Seth.

He just had a very short post.

It took me a few seconds to read.

And I'm actually going to read it to you now because it just struck me so deeply.

I was immediately like, we need you on the podcast.

So what he said was this.

Your body isn't a machine to be fixed.

It's a sacred vessel sustaining your soul and consciousness through this lifetime.

The wellness industry thrives on convincing you that you're broken.

But you're not.

Every ache, every yearning, every tingle is your body's way of asking you to listen, to care, not criticize.

When you honor it as the living dynamic system it is, you unlock the wisdom to truly thrive.

So I don't know about you, but when I read that, I was like, oh, that hits me in so many places.

Also, as someone who is working in the transformational coaching wellness industry and feeling myself trapped on this treadmill of social media, quick fix dopamine hits.

And if you follow me, you'll know I've even created a 21 day dopamine detox challenge because I think it's such a serious issue.

So when I read that, it was like, this is how I want to be in the world.

I want to be supporting people in remembering their own wellness as I remember my own wellness as someone who struggled with chronic pain for many years, et cetera.

So this is us.

We're here.

We're going to have Seth on in a moment.

He's a multi dimensional performance coach who combines scientific principles with spiritual wisdom to help people transform their struggles into strengths.

And this is a brand new way of doing this podcast.

We almost on episode 80 right now.

I believe this will be 78 and I decided for this season to switch over to recording these live.

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Find the link in the show notes and if you're here live now, then make sure to comment, ask questions, et cetera, through the episode and we'll get a little Q and A at the end and see how that flows.

So thank you for being here.

And the only other thing I have to say before we kind of kick this off is that the 21 day dopamine detox Challenge is something I created at the end of last year because I really needed it.

And it's helped so many of the people who've been through it already.

And it's just a way to reset that relationship to those quick dopamine fixes that we're all getting from our phones, etc.

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Hello.

Welcome, Seth.

It's good to have you here, brother.

So good to be here.

Oh, man, what a blessing.

Where in the world are you right now?

I'm in Central Florida on the Treasure Coast.

The Treasure Coast.

I've never heard that term before.

Yeah, that sounds rad.

We, like, my wife and I like to joke that, like, we're, we're holding down some good energy in Florida.

It's not all, it's not all Florida men and what have you.

Yeah, I know.

I must say, anytime I look at, like a, anytime I see a clip on Instagram that is about Florida, it's generally someone wrestling a crocodile or something like that.

So, yeah.

Nice.

So, I mean, let's just dive straight in, man, to that post that you made, which was.

I know you were just mentioning before we came online that you are, you're writing a lot of long form.

And it's interesting to me that that piece that was just short form, it just, it just encapsulated such a critical message for me.

This idea of sacred vessel.

Like, what is the body?

Is it a machine or a sacred vessel?

And, and how did you get to that space?

I mean, is that something you've kind of been working on for a really long time or how did you come to this understanding that actually our society does not acknowledge pretty much at all modern society?

That we are more than just a machine.

To be sort of.

What's the word?

Serviced.

Like a mechanic.

Yeah.

And I can tell you right now, reign me in, because that question could be, you know, my thesis, dissertation.

All right.

I n if it's getting too out there.

Yeah.

Like this real means.

Oh man, what do I even start?

But yeah, I mean, just in general.

I've always been a seeker.

From as early as I can remember, I wanted to understand why we're here, how things work, where do we go when we die.

Like those are.

Those questions for as long as I can remember have been ingrained in me.

And then throughout my journey of, you know, self discovery, you know, and like most people, they.

They got me into some dangerous situations and some stupid teenage stuff.

Some of my greatest lessons happen there, as I'm sure a lot of people can relate.

Ultimately, I ended up getting my master's degree in exercise physiology because I was obsessed with optimizing my body.

You know, I.

Around like 15, I accepted the fact that I won't be a professional athlete, you know, as like a kid.

That's like the dream, right, for all kids.

And you know, I so, so just being like, all right, well, that's not in the cards for me.

But I want to be in that world and I want to figure out how to like optimize the body.

And, and I thought at first it was just like bigger muscles, faster running, you know, jump higher, only to realize that's such a small piece of the equation and all the other parts that come with it.

You know, the mindset, optimization.

What motivates us, what inspires us?

Why do we do the things we do?

So throughout my journey, I just continued unraveling the different dimensions of what makes a person thrive to come to the conclusion that the way the world is structured is not designed for us to thrive.

It's designed to keep us in negative feedback loops, to continue to buy the product.

Right.

To continue to hate and self loathe ourselves, to get the next quick fix.

Dude, I need to just to like right there, what you just said there, I want to hear a little more like you.

Maybe we're going to dive into that anyway, but I just want to hear a bit more about that.

Like how does this modern society or how do you see that our world as it's set up right now keep us in this cycle, in this loop?

Like what's happening there?

Yeah, well, just the way capitalism works is more equals better.

And there's.

There's no such thing as, you know, we need 3% growth every quarter.

I'm actually working on a new subsect that's a little bit of a timeline of my life.

And for a six month window, I actually worked for one of the largest supplement companies as like the southeast sales manager of this company.

And really quickly you learn like, you grind.

And I don't like to use the word grind today, but that was the world I was living in back then.

You know, you grind so hard to reach a sales quota for the quarter, doing everything you can to get there.

And then when you reach it, your boss is like, all right, great job.

We increased it 3% next quarter.

It's like what?

I did everything I could.

And I tell you that now because I've realized that's how the world operates and it is not sustainable at all.

But, but they need us to keep buying products from the health and fitness industry.

I like to joke, I like to joke and say a fitness magazine could really be one issue.

You could really get the foundations of what a human being needs in one issue.

But that's not going to sell a magazine subscription, you know, and then, and then let alone the supplement industry and all that comes with it.

And I could break down all the different areas of that field, but at the end of the day, you know, you could read a fitness magazine and what one writer says in the beginning is like completely contradicted by somebody else later in the same magazine.

You know, there's like, so there's, and it's, and it's, it's so obvious to me and it just, it's, it's maddening and it's heartbreaking to know that there are so many people out there who want to feel good in their bodies, forget about looking good, they just want to feel good in their bodies.

You know, the back, the sciatica, all the other, you know, little aches and pains.

And then they, they go to unqualified professionals, they, they go to the next quick Fix, you know, Instagram reel that's promising them something when the reality is, is the person who's selling it doesn't even embody what they're selling.

But they're probably starving themselves and good at taking supplements because of their own mental health issues that aren't addressed.

So to call myself a multidimensional coach, it really came out of being seeped in this industry and, and realizing that like the person you idolize with a six pack, they have their own mental health issues.

They deal with them by, by monitoring and, and withstanding from Eating to have a physique because they think that will make them happy.

And then it just becomes this awful feedback loop of real, just subconscious trauma responses that were all just continuously colliding into one another, not getting anywhere.

Dude.

Yeah, well said.

I mean, this is, as I said at the intro, this is something I'm wrestling with myself is like.

And also that fine line between when is it okay for me to serve others, when I still have my own stuff, I'm navigating.

But then, I mean, I'd be curious about you.

I don't think I'm ever going to stop navigating stuff.

Like, I don't.

Maybe I am.

But like, I feel like if I'm helping someone with the stuff that I have dealt with a few years ago, then that's kind of like ethical.

But if I'm trying to help someone do something that I'm still not doing, then I think that's where it gets messy for me.

And, and I actually would love to hear from you just around this.

You were saying a bit about it before we came online, but this thing of how to be someone who's sharing specifically on the Internet, running a business, on the Internet, running a business that's about helping people to heal themselves and be well, how to do that ethically?

How do you do that ethically?

Especially when I'm not anti capitalism, but I'm anti like oligarchy capitalism of kind of what's happening at least in the States right now.

Um, so again, it's like, it's like finding a sweet spot amongst so many different areas.

But, but at the end of the day, it really comes down to just preaching, practicing what you preach and embodying the lessons that I'm sharing with others.

That's really like the secret sauce for everything.

There's nothing I don't offer or recommend or suggest to somebody that I haven't, you know, tried and, or am currently doing.

And you're absolutely right.

I let everybody know from the get go I will be on my deathbed reading a book, you know, or who knows if they'll have books by then because I have a long life to live.

But, but you know, I'll be learning up until the very end.

And for anybody who tells you, you know, they have the answers and they've reached, you know, enlightenment or whatever you might hear people think, you know, to me that's just an immediate red flag of I don't, I can't take this person serious.

Because we all are going to continuously be learning and Unpacking and unfolding and synthesizing and, and like you said, sharing, sharing your experience with others, Good, bad, ugly is the best way to inspire them along their journeys.

And you know, we're all unique individuals and we all have our own life stories, but at the same time they're themes, you know, they're common themes that we've all experienced.

So I'm a firm believer that we're each other's medicine.

And I learn from everybody that I work with and everybody, they make me better.

So it's a continuous spiral of self improvement and growth that I believe is the only way to really make a, the, the global shift that so many of us want to make.

It starts with the internal self development, personal improvement and then it turns into a collective evolution as enough people kind of get on board with the same mindset.

Yeah, well this is so around the mindset and around because it's like you said earlier when you studied, you studied in the very scientific method in a way and like the most up to date or like this is how you be strong, this is how you have a healthy body.

But then you really have come at it now like multi dimensional.

I mean there's a, there's a big calling there, there's a big invitation to something spiritual and to something beyond the physical.

So how do these, like, how do you marry these two?

Where do you see that there are alignments?

Because I mean, I don't know where you're at with the stuff that went down a few years ago on the lockdowns and everything.

But like when they were just saying the science, it's like that kind of mentality hasn't really served us or doesn't seem to serve real health.

So how do you marry so called science and then this idea of being multi dimensional and spiritual?

Yeah, absolutely.

Well, for me I hear you on the complexity of science and I hear you on, with some people that dogma they have towards science.

So there is a little bit of like media literacy and, or scientific literacy that is really important.

And my, one of the things that I'm super grateful for is my undergraduate degree when I kind of was a, you know, wave flower going through the world.

Not sure what I wanted to do, but I know I needed a degree at the time, my undergraduate's in multimedia journalism.

So I got like really good at deciphering what's good information, what's bad information.

Then during my master's degree in exercise physiology, I was like deep in scientific study all the time.

I mean all the Time.

And you get good at like, you know, reading an abstract and being like, oh, this person's got an agenda.

This study's founded by the person selling, you know, the product or what have you.

You get good at discerning things.

And that's something that I 100% take for granted.

My wife and I both have a problem where every time we learn something, we, we assume all of the world knows it.

And that's something that we've been like unpacking over the last few years of like, whoa.

That couldn't be further from the truth.

But regarding, so, so it really comes down to with the science, with the work that I do, it's like, wow, this new system for hypertrophy, muscle gain, you know, it's telling me to, to not do it the way that, you know, I was taught.

But now this new science is coming out saying I should be doing slower, you know, slower, eccentric, you know, load on that, you know, whatever it is.

I'll go to the gym and like it's a laboratory and then practice it, you know, how do I do?

I feel the difference.

Do it.

So like, like I said earlier, I want to embody everything that I share with people.

And then how you bridge or how I bridge, you know, this, the spiritual side of it and all the other things that you mentioned, working with thousands of people over the course of the last 20 years from, from professional athletes to just like General pop to 80 year olds.

The theme that everybody had that, excuse me, the people that got the best results had, were faith in something bigger than themselves.

They all had a belief, some borderline arrogance, but either way they had a belief that they could do it, you know, and every one of those persons that people that had that belief in something bigger than themselves absolutely got the results they wanted and thrived.

So that was when I really started to believe, you know, or think, you know, there's more to it than just, you know, pushing hard at the gym or what have you.

And I could continue, but I feel like that's a nice stopping point there.

Yeah, I mean, it makes me curious because are there people you've worked with who came to you where they didn't have that belief?

Because it's honestly, this is one of the things that I struggle in and out of still that I'm still navigating is this like deep, what is it?

Lack of worthiness, maybe like lack of enoughness, etc that starts to, and it comes and it goes and it's definitely very different to how it was three years ago, five years ago, 10 years ago.

So.

So the work I'm doing now is so different, but at the same time, I'm still like, there's that root, man.

It's still going on.

And I wonder how much that's holding me.

I know that's holding me back from some of the expression that I want to be bringing through.

And do you find that.

Is there hope for people like that?

People who.

Yeah.

Like, what is the process for something like that?

I mean, I know it'll be different for different people, but if someone comes to you and they've got.

They're doing the workouts, they're pushing hard, they're like, I'm doing the thing, and I.

And.

Or they're not.

They just completely collapsed and fallen apart, like, given up, and they don't have that little spark of.

There's something beyond me that's gonna.

That's.

That I can believe in, that's gonna carry me through this.

Yeah, that's such a beautiful question.

And there's.

To say there's hope for everybody is an absolute understatement, you know, and.

And as.

You know, and tying in with the other things we've already talked about, like, I'm a firm believer that we are all whole, beautiful sparks of consciousness, sparks of the divine residing inside of each and every one of us.

However, from the minute you're given a name, right, as soon as your parents said you're Nathan, you know, that's our first obstruction from that pure it inside of each and every being, you know, then just life, not even getting into, like, awful traumas, just general being alive today, you know, is traumatic and continues to obstruct us from that pure spark inside of us.

So for me, it all starts.

Everybody that, you know, people come to me, like, I want to lose weight and put on muscle.

And the first thing is, like, all right, well, first, you need to recognize that spark inside of you and all beings.

Second of all, you need to just get clear on your values, who you are, and how you want to show up in the world.

You know, we could start talking about, like, what do you believe in?

What's the big.

You know?

But just starting with the foundations, you know, who are you before the world told you who you are?

How do you want to show up in the world?

What are the things, you know?

You know, for me, what are the things I want my.

My son to know about me or.

Or how do I want to show up for him?

So starting with that foundation ultimately answers the bigger questions.

But, but like I said earlier, every, you know, the big changes to the world have to start with the smallest changes within ourselves.

And that starts with knowing who we are and reminding ourselves all the time.

Because what you said, like it comes in waves, right?

Like one minute you're clear, you know, you got this, you could put yourself out in social and not have the, you know, voices in the back of your head.

And then the next minute it's like, you know, and, but why, what, what caused that shift?

Yes, there's, there's rhythms and there's, there's cycles to our emotions and you know, we could get into like astrological things.

But ultimately like I'm sure a post you thought was going to do great didn't get the engagement, you thought so next thing you know you're second guessing something even though it's great and has nothing to do with you.

And it's the algorithm.

So you could see how all the things we're talking about are all kind of interwoven together.

And that's why knowing who you are is absolutely foundational.

And when you build that solid foundation, a bad post on the algorithm is not going to, not going to make you question yourself.

But, but, but it's also not, I really don't, I think anybody who says that they figured it out and they don't have those, those thoughts are lying to themselves because ultimately like, it's just, it's a part of being human.

And that's also we, we, we become better through feedback loops.

So when you hit those moments of doubt, those are opportunities for growth.

So when you hit those moments of doubt, beautiful.

That means you're human.

What are the tools?

What's the foundation?

What is your bigger vision?

And then you realize how silly those self doubts even were in the first place.

Right.

I love that.

It's been definitely an empowering thing for me to think of everything that's happening as a gift or as a medicine or something specifically for me or through me, not this idea of why is this happening to me.

So I love that and I, you know, to what you were saying, there's.

You talk about these incredible, how important it is to have all the dimensions online.

And I think you specifically said physical, mental, emotional, spiritual, relational and sexual, that like having those all online is what creates transformation.

And if any one of those is not online or not aligned or balanced, that it's going to throw everything else off.

So how could someone even maybe a practice or something someone could take away from this or just some ideas of how could someone take like, start on that process without getting overwhelmed?

Like, because that's the thing.

It's like, oh my God.

Okay, so now I need to get this, this, this, this, this and this and assorted.

Then I'll be fine.

It's like, oh my God.

That's a lot.

Absolutely.

And from, from just like early on in my career when I was just focusing on the physical body, you know, I, I noticed, I noticed the archetype, which is very common of, you know, I'm going to, you know, their first day coming into me, I'm going to do everything, I'm going to eat perfectly, I'm going to supplement, I'm going to be there five days a week and I'm just like, no you're not.

Just stop.

And even if you could, it's not sustainable and it's not going to serve your greater good.

So like, let's like strip it back and let's get realistic.

And I love the way, and like you nailed all the dimensions I work in and it's infinite dimensions.

Right?

But, but even just hearing you read it, I'm like, whoa, that's a lot, like, that's, that's a lot for one person to focus on.

And the beautiful thing, like from a, from an integral theory perspective, you know, Ken Wilber talks about lines of development.

And I think it's really in the work that I do.

The first session that I have with people, I call it a multidimensional intake reset session.

And we sit down and we go over 10 different dimensions of life.

And then I put together a game plan for, you know, the first quarter together.

Because I like to look at things, you know, from the seasonal perspective and like, and find a rhythm and, and cycles to connect to our own cycles and then obviously the greater cycles of the universe.

But I bring up lines of development because it gets really clear in that first session, hey, listen, you got, there's a lot, you know, we could, we could improve every dimension.

But for right now, like, let's not even work on the physical body.

Let's, let's just focus on again like working on your values, your visions, you know, schedule some time, things that you would, if, if realistically you ultimately want to work, work out three times a week, schedule that time now, but don't even stress about going to the gym, go for walks during that time, you know, so, so really it's about getting clear on what's the most important thing to kind of tackle first build that foundation and then, and then re.

Evaluate you know, 12 weeks in, give or take, and then see.

All right, great.

Now we're going to turn kind of the valve down on this and turn the valve up on this.

So I see it as like a series of knobs.

And I kind of, you know, just are constantly, oh, we're going to turn this down, turn this up.

And that also keeps the body and the mind from getting complacent and stale and plateauing.

And in the world of exercise science, we call this periodization.

And that's where we're like looking at like a bigger picture, but then dissecting it into smaller, smaller tasks and smaller goals.

And that keeps our entire systems undulating so we're not getting burnt out or fried out.

And to constantly check in with all the dimensions, you see the improvement you made in one.

And just like Ken Wilber would say, with lines of development, when you pull up one, all of them rise up a little bit too, especially when you're mindful of that.

So it's not about doing anything.

That makes total sense to me.

It's interesting because I've just.

I'm kind of realizing that we're all talking about exactly the same stuff, but we just play with this idea of talking about it in different ways, using different language in the ways that make sense for each of us.

So, for example, I've just been working on for my own joy, and also for my clients and the members in my already free academy community.

But this thing I called the weird life system, um, because the original meaning of the word weird was one who controls fate.

I don't know if you knew that, but when I learned that, that blew my frickin mind.

And I've always been the kind of person who was like, I feel like I'm a weirdo.

And most of the people who are my clients or who work with me in my community have that same.

Like, I just always feel like I've been a bit of a weirdo.

So I'm like, well, that's a compliment.

And our society, as with so many things, has made it seem like an insult, but it's actually a compliment.

And so I made this acronym that's weird is like wellbeing, expressing, interconnecting, resourcing and dwelling and kind of like covering these different areas of a life.

And.

And then it's again about, how do I do this without getting overwhelmed.

It's like we go through that and just see, where are you in each of these right now?

And which of these, if you moved forward a point or Two would have, like, a massive impact on everything else.

Like, which is the one.

Even if it's already got a high, like, you're already an 8 out of 10.

But.

But if you move to a 9 out of 10, everything else would automatically go up a point or two.

Like, that's the one to focus on.

So everything you've just said is so beautifully interconnected and intertwining with what we've.

With what I've been sharing as well.

I love it.

Awesome.

I love that.

And, yeah, and I know you relate to.

I'm sure you relate to this, but it's like we're all just, like, tapping into the same, you know, universal wisdom, and then it's just running through the filter of what, what this vessel has experienced.

And that's how we, you know, for me, it's like coaching, you know, analogies and game plans and.

And, you know, for you.

So it's.

It's just beautiful how it's like we're all tapping into to the same, you know, bigger field and sharing it through.

I love that.

I love that so much.

And if I'm just.

There was a question I had a while ago that's kind of evaded me now.

Yeah, it was about somatics.

So I've actually just started studying another certification, which is amazing.

I'm.

I feel like it's the piece that I was kind of just like missing that wasn't quite getting these beautiful clients with amazing results and then sometimes just hitting this thing of like, something isn't shifting here and I can't work out why, you know, And I've done breath work and ice bars and mindset, and yet there's this piece.

So I'm actually doing something called Body based Breakthrough, which is just such an epic, epic vibe.

And I know you speak to Somatic.

So what is your experience?

How does somatics, like, tie all of these bits together?

Because we could talk about this shit till the cows come home, and for some people it would help, but for some people it would make zero difference.

So what is somatics?

Why is it important to you and what's your understanding about it?

Yeah, beautiful.

Well, my understanding, again, comes through my life experience, so starting with the body, you know, as an exercise scientist and a strength and conditioning coach.

And it was the.

It was the gross macro body, right?

Bigger muscles, better performance, you know, mobility, flexibility.

The degree that I have, you know, if a physical therapist is a.

It works as a rehabilitator.

My education taught us to be pre.

We do Prehab, Excuse me, If a physical therapist does rehab, we do prehab.

So it's all about designing a body to perform at its best and to not get injured.

And again, like I thought that was it.

Right, Like I thought I solved the questions I was looking for, obviously.

Then as I go deeper into my training, you know, starting with some of my yoga meditation, started to see bigger connection to the more subtle body, but really going through.

About two years ago I graduated from the Institute of Authentic Tantra.

That's like a lineage based Buddhist school.

It also qualified me to be a sexologist.

So, so that's just like a little sidebar there.

But during that training I really began to understand the subtle energy body.

And not just like chakras from a kind of new age way way, but truly understanding, you know, the, the, the energy body that makes up the nadis and the chakras.

And really this is the part that my unique background allowed me to synthesize.

Really understanding how that system completely weaves together with our nervous system and really seeing how the fascia in our body is the conduit for that subtle energy, for some would even say that consciousness.

So as you.

And then you understand.

You know, I mentioned trauma earlier.

Done.

We define and by we.

My wife Ganga DAV and I work together in pretty much everything we develop understanding that trauma is any unexpressed event, emotion or experience that gets stuck in our body.

Well, doesn't get stuck in your biceps like in a gross lump.

It's in that subtle energy body.

It's there.

And every, every lie you've ever told, every abuse you've ever done, given or suffered that you're not actually expressing and talking about or writing about and letting it move through your body is all stuck in our energy body.

And that's not just a woo woo concept.

It's actually stuck in our fascia body.

And our fascia is supposed to be this web like fluid that connects from the top of our head to the bottom of feet and it even runs in through our tendons, ligaments, organs, muscles.

It's the glue, the saran wrap that connects everything.

And most people, myself included, have junk in there.

And that causes tightness in the back, you know, tightness in the hamstrings, the sciatica, pains, all those little aches and pains are from all those suppressed events, emotions or experiences.

So people are like, I want to fix my back pain.

They do all these, you know, physical therapy practices or strength and conditioning practices, but then really they're holding, you know, sexual trauma that they experienced and they, you know, and what we suppress will be expressed, and that usually shows up in those aches and pains.

So going back to the.

To the.

To the post that you read to start the podcast, you know, I even mention, you know, sensations and tingles, you know, those are all signs that there are things that need to move through and work through.

And again, like, coming full circle in order to get the big physical breakthroughs that you want, it has to start with the gentle soma.

So understanding the subtleness of the body and understanding that it's not these big movements, it's those subtle remembrances, it's checking into, you know, you got shoulder pains.

Okay, Move your shoulder ever so gently.

You know, listen to your body.

Are there.

Are there.

You know, are there things that need to be expressed?

You know, where are you holding that tightness, that stuckness?

And I'm not saying you need to, like, go and confess all your sins, although, you know, there are benefits to that, right?

But.

But, like, write it on a piece of paper.

You know, write all the things you wanted to say to that person.

Shred it up, rip it up, burn it up, and you'll be shocked how much better you feel in your body.

Dude, this is speaking to me so deeply right now.

And actually, I just had.

One of my recent guests was a woman name Brooke McPoyle.

I'm not sure if you've come across her on Instagram at all, but she is, like, all about that fascia.

She's a lifelong professional.

She was a.

Almost a pro golfer and then singer, like a lifelong singer.

And because of the exercise she was taught through singing, that gave her, like, access to this whole thing anyway.

And she does this whole fascia release thing, and she's like, you guys, your languaging is so beautiful.

I actually got goosebumps now just because the way you.

When you started talking about the fascia, like, the poetry that just started flowing there was really powerful.

And I.

It really has connected me to that power of the fascia again.

And I actually am going to start up those exercises I was doing again because it's like, really, that.

That piece.

And it's so much of what he's talking to us about, Matthew, the teacher in.

In B3 as well.

So I'm just getting it from every angle right now of like, bro, you got to talk to your body.

You got to.

He calls it going on a date with your body.

Like, when did you last go on a date with your body?

And so everything you've just said is so beautiful.

Man, I hope everyone listening to this is like not just taking notes, but like receiving.

Like, listen to your body peeps.

Well, the fact that I'm having goosebumps and you had goosebumps again that just like, we're in the right space here.

And I'd love to just add, you know, you mentioned she was a singer during numerous trainings that I've done.

I can't tell you how many like actors and musicians who do like, voice exercises are like, oh, toning the vagus nerve is my like pre singing exercises, you know, and we're like, oh, that's why like people who singing choir, you know, are usually like happy people.

Like, they don't even realize the vagus nerve, you know, activation that's happening.

And not to mention, you know, but, but I digress.

But it's, it's, it's.

Yeah.

And it's not rocket science.

It's.

It's really just some of the most simple things of reconnecting to our wholeness.

I think that's the piece.

It is simple and yet it still is not easy.

And that's why having someone like you or someone like me or someone who's working in these spaces is so helpful.

It has been for me anyway.

I find that when I don't have someone in my corner, then it makes it a lot harder to kind of stay on that.

And speaking of having someone in your corner, you were saying you and your wife work together like super closely and.

And I'd love to kind of hear from you a little more about that.

And if anyone does have any questions or any comments or anything, if you're watching live or.

Or if you're listening to this as the, the final podcast, please do look in the show notes, send me a message, send me a voice note, let me know what you think.

Love to share your questions and thoughts in future episodes, but for now, really curious around this idea of working with your wife, working with your partner.

Like, that's a potentially a high friction point, dude.

And so how are you guys navigating such a.

Yeah, such an intense closeness where you close?

Because again, I'll give you a bit of context for my own question here, because I do have a.

Like, I want to know this for myself.

My wife and I are super close.

Like, she is just one of the best person on planet Earth for me personally.

And yeah, so, so grateful.

What a.

What a joy.

We were expecting our first child, actually.

So that's something I haven't actually shared anywhere on social media.

So that's not out there.

Um, but thanks, brother.

And, and so the piece for me, like, I was listening to the audiobook of the Way of the Superior Man, David Data, and he said something in there about like, you can either be a partner or a friend or a like, sexual partner or something like that, like a business partner or a friend or a sexual partner, but you can't be all of them.

And, and that kind of made me sad because, like, I want to be all of those with Kali, because she's freaking awesome.

And so what are your thoughts on that?

And how's that playing out in your own journey?

And just in general, like those, those gross generalizations, you know, there's going to be outliers and there's going to be reasons that came together for him and there are reasons we thrive in working together.

And for us, the biggest reason is like incredibly early in our relationship.

Well, we both had.

Did a lot of work before meeting each other.

That's.

And we continue to do work together today.

You know, we both have our somatic therapist and we continue to do, do the work ourselves.

So that's absolutely foundational.

And obviously there are still moments of friction, although every moment of friction we look at as an opportunity to improve.

And that's not to say we're not going to run into that friction point again, but we've continuously gotten better and better and better.

But the reality, the foundation is when we first met, it was really clear to us that my personal driving force for how I wanted to be in the world was a concept based from Judaism called tikkun olam, which is to heal the world, to make the world a better place than how we found it.

And actually starts with the concept called tikkun ha nefesh, which is to heal the soul.

Before you could change the world, you have to start with the self, right?

Then we build out.

And then my wife comes from a more Buddhist background, Hindu and Buddhist background.

So for her, her driving force was being a bodhisattva and bodhichitta and understanding that the goal is to reach enlightenment not for our own personal gain, but to, to spread that to the world and to help other people on their journey.

So we realized like, beautiful, those are our pillars, our entire foundation is built on that.

And then we also realize that the both of us from radically different worlds, I come from like a middle class New Jersey, you know, very like American sports and, you know, world.

And she, she was born on a inter faith ashram, you know, in the, in the Ram Dass neem kolibaba lineage, like completely different.

But we realized if you strip away, you know, the external.

We both had like that same foundational drive.

And we both realized our gifts were helping people remember the inherent greatness that's inside of them and helping them reach their full potential, discover what the potential is and reach it.

We were just coming from it, from different worlds.

And through the eight years we're together, we really synthesize and synthesize and trial and error.

Everything that we've learned to get to this point and it ultimately just fit together perfectly to be an entire system.

So that's like our brand is called amuna, which is actually a Hebrew word that is bigger than faith, it's bigger than belief.

It's that certainty that you know, whatever it is, you have amuna in.

But I say all that to really build like we're coming from the same, from different places, but with the same vision.

And we love to continuously improve.

And working together gives us these constant opportunities to improve.

Plus we, before we started the interview, I mentioned we check in about how our days going personal, professional, emotional, somatically.

And as we do those check ins, you know, she gets to know my clients, I get to know the organizations that she's working with, and then I get to be a soundboard and vice versa.

So for us, like, we don't even see a world where we couldn't be in flow and harmony together because it's just how we externally process and it works for us.

But I understand that's not the reality for everybody.

Yeah, beautiful.

Well, thank you for sharing your experience.

And I suppose that's.

There's something so beautiful in what that does for all of us, giving us the capacity to then experience reality broader and broader.

And my, my wife's listening and she just texted me, she's like, yes, it, it.

Our values, I just want to give.

Our core values are present not only in our professional and emotional and spiritual lives, but also our sex lives.

So that's something.

And I'm glad that she, she threw that in there because not a lot of people want to talk about sex, but it's the driving force behind absolutely everything.

And very early on in our relationship, we realized we're having a non monogamous relationship with God.

And we definitely like bring spirit into the bedroom with us and make everything we do sacred, including our sex life.

And, and that's definitely a huge point, you know, of us thriving together.

Beautiful.

I love that so much.

And I mean, I mean, I love talking about Sex.

Personally, I think it should be talked about a lot more.

And it is also something that I'm starting to realize, like I'm reaching a point in my own, I guess in my own nervous system maybe or in my own journey where I'm realizing I am stuck up on some stuff around sex.

Like I have, I really enjoy sex.

I have a great time with it.

My partner and I have made a baby and we have a great time together.

And there is this sort of deeper layer that I am aware that there is this like dropping.

I'm actually realize I'm quite goal oriented.

Like I'm often thinking about the orgasm, especially for her, and then about myself, but not having the orgasm because then the whole show is over.

And so it creates this dynamic of stress where I'm thinking about the thing and not the thing instead of just being like in the state of flow which I have experienced, experienced many times in sex.

But I'm curious around.

Like, do you have a specific foundational practice or is there a specific way that you recommend people who are curious in going a little beyond the surface of just, oh, we're just bumping uglies.

It's a terrible term.

I don't know why that came to my mind.

But like there's something more than, than this.

Beautiful.

Yeah.

But it is a, it's a wonderful physical experience.

Like just as a physical experience is gorgeous and amazing and how to go like that next layer deeper and you're.

Spot on with something that is definitely like as soon as we get in our heads, like game over, right?

Like as soon as you lose that presence, our hard wiring gets thrown off.

And to mention the nervous system and sex is an understatement because for males ejaculation is actually a nervous system response.

So if we're coming into intimacy from a, from a heightened state of arousal, from a fight and flight state, which most people are, you know, that's gonna usually show up in premature, earlier ejaculation than you'd maybe want as well as, you know, potential some impetus issues.

Excuse me.

So, so just understanding like the most important thing is just like co regulating right before you even kind of drop in and just being mindful and being like fully present for your partner.

And from my experience and to your point exactly, there are a lot of times where I'm like, we're in a beautiful moment and I'm like, oh, I gotta slow down and do some breath.

And she's like, shut up.

Just like be here with me now, you know?

And it's just like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the sauce, right?

Like, that's the magic.

But again, like, there's so many trainings and so many books, and it's like, well, this person says I should do this, you know, and it's like, nah, just enjoy it.

You know, as my tantra professor would tell me as I was going through my, my training, you know, worst case scenario, you're going to orgasm.

Like, enjoy it.

And, and especially like working with men that have like, fear of intimacy due to performance issues.

It's like, I got news for you.

Your partner would probably like it better if you just cuddled her for 30 minutes and listened to her.

You know, your partner would probably enjoy you, you know, giving her yoni some.

Just some like, attention and love or, you know, maybe some oral, you know, but it's not about the bumping uglies by any means.

And for.

For my wife and I, even before my more formal tantra trainings and what have you, it was always just like respecting the orgasms for both of us, you know, and just really understanding that we don't.

We don't have an orgasm or receiving the orgasm from something bigger than.

Than us.

And to be, listen, like a, to not be in like an aggressive, you know, I'm going to give you an orgasm, like, but actually, actually to allow ourselves to be open to like a bigger experience.

You know, as soon as you try to make something happen, you're narrowing the field.

You know, so we try to relax, open into it.

And then we always, you know, the, the bodhisattvas in us are always, you know, let's dedicate the merit to this orgasm.

You know, what, what, you know, what, what do we want to be sending out into the field, you know, from this intimacy together?

So, yeah, beautiful.

I love.

I really get a sense of a softening within what you've just been sharing.

A sense of a.

Yeah, more of an allowing and, and an expanding rather than a contraction, which is the polar opposite of an orgasm as a, as a very contractive experience.

Exactly.

And you could get into like the data on this, but, you know, not enough people are addressing that.

A majority of humans on the planet today have suffered or, or perpetuated sexual trauma onto somebody or they've experienced it themselves.

And then we don't have the tools and the language to, to actually process that from in a healthy way.

Or we would say to metabolize it in a healthy way.

So we store it and then that gets warped into, you know, it could go into a numerous ways.

But, but that's just something that is really pivotal to the work that I do that I would just regret not bringing that up is just, and being able to hold space for that healing.

You know, we don't.

You don't need a sexologist.

You just need an attentive partner who's open to learning, you know, and learning to create space for the metabolization of that to happen.

Beautiful.

Thanks brother.

I mean I feel like we're just opening up so many wonderful cans that we could dive into for, for hours.

And I also want to honor the time.

So I would just love to hear.

And I'm actually just going to move us to, to like kind of Q and A now.

So if anyone does have questions, who's watching live?

And I and I have seen a few people, we're just going to do a quick round.

Some people have been leaving some beautiful comments which are going to serve all of us, even those listening to the, to the audio eventually.

But I want to know before we dive into that just like where can people find more about you?

What are the projects you're currently excited about?

Like what do you want them to know about you?

What's, what's the vibe out there for set?

Oh man, thank you for asking it that way.

Honestly, I'm, I'm, I most, I'd love it for people to visit my substack.

That's definitely where.

And, and you said before like that's where my depth is in the longer form articles.

But, but I'm trying to create the note system that substacks implemented now as like breaths of fresh air.

You know, I want them to be this like moments of oh, oh.

I could breathe a little bit deeper now because I read that quick little hit, you know, not, you know, but definitely substack.

And then what I'm really most passionate about now is I'm just in a constant state of synthesizing.

And when I graduated, my wife and I together did an inter spiritual ministry together.

And then as soon as I ended, I went right into my formal tantra training.

So when I graduated from the tantra training, I'm a sexologist, I'm a tantra educator, I'm an interspersed minister.

I'm like, I'm never handing somebody a dumbbell again.

Like I am done with the physical body, you know, Like I'm done with that.

And then again like another integral theory word is like I was not transcending including who I was.

I was literally cutting off an incredibly large part of who I am.

So I only say that because I've really focused on the last year and a half, two years of synthesizing everything that I do into multi, multimensional performance coaching.

And I'm, I'm currently launching like a beta project called Steady Strength where it's a one on one coaching container and, or mentorship.

I find that I've been working with mostly fitness professionals that want to bring more depth and dimensions into their work, but a container to help people really understand the, the, the internal shift shifts that must happen, you know, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, alongside the physical aspects of it.

And, and it's not necessarily like a big meat and potatoes strength and conditioning program.

It's really based on somatic awareness.

And, and Moshe Feldenkrais, who, if you don't know, is just like one of the absolute OGs that everybody should know about.

Yeah, another person you'll read about and be like, oh yeah, he's talking my language, you know, but brilliant person everybody should read and know about.

But kind of in his methodology of like, I've broken down body movement into seven foundational movements.

And if you look at any workout, you know, any exercise, they're doing these seven movements.

So the way that I've synthesized my work is like, let's just get really good at doing these movements without any weight and you know, spend 10, 15 minutes in the morning doing these formal, subtle, subtle practices that I've created.

And then just think about it for the rest of your day.

When you sit down on the toilet, think about, you know, the hinge in your hips, you know, so to really start embodying it throughout the day.

And then the beautiful thing that happens is after a few weeks you go and pick up a weight or take it up another level and you're like, oh, my body's been reprogrammed to move in this manner.

And at the same time, I have, you know, guided meditations, practicalism, frameworks and writing prompts to be unpacking kind of the bigger picture, you know, getting clear on your values, on your vision, knowing who you are, recognizing your trauma, doing some simple things to metabolize it, and at the same time building the foundation of the physical body.

So that's what I'm calling steady strength.

And yeah, check out my website, there's so much more information.

But I would love to meet people in that space.

That's definitely what I'm most, I mean.

That'S talking to me, dude.

If you, if you ever need a guinea pig in South Africa, Let a brother know because that's.

Sounds right up my alley.

And so, so let's.

And I'll also share in the show notes, obviously the links to your.

To your good stuff.

So just sharing just a few of the things people have commented along the way as we close this down.

But I heard from username Raisin, that's a great username.

Said I've started calling my body a divine interest instrument.

A divine instrument.

This topic is very up my street.

It really.

The body really does have its own wisdom.

Beautiful.

And we've also got Deb checking in and then Archibald saying, I love how you've incorporated so many elements of different religions and philosophies in your work.

So thanks everyone and what a pleasure wishing you.

Yeah, sorry, Raisin again is saying, never heard anyone else connect singing with these things.

So the idea of singing as a way to kind of activate the Vegas, which is awesome.

I could jump in with just like a quick hit for everybody.

You know, we talk about like somatic.

And when it comes to somatic healing, there's a very simple formula that I think changes most people's life when they hear this.

The somatic formula for healing is breath plus touch plus awareness equals healing.

Now when this came to me during my tantra training where we're learning hands on physical touch on people.

But for most people, especially people with sexual trauma, touch is too much.

So you could replace touch with sound because the vibration of sound is actual touch.

So you can replace.

You can replace touch with movement or sound because movement internally, my body's touching itself and I'm touching the space around me.

Singing, the vibration is creating the internal touch.

So when you mention singing, it's breath plus sound plus intention.

Literally, singing and dancing is healing breath.

But when we.

But.

But you have to come to that place with intention.

So.

Sorry.

That's beautiful.

No, that's.

That's a great finisher.

And actually, just a final question before we, before we close down, but the.

And I'm.

I ask every guest this.

I meant to tell you this at the beginnings, but I'm dropping you in the deep.

And I think you've got it.

When you hear.

When you hear the words, we are already free.

What comes up for you?

Yeah, it's funny, I hadn't thought about it, but during the intro I was like, well, I'm gonna have to answer that.

I think we're already free.

It just means everything you're looking for is already inside of you.

It's all here.

And it's understanding that you know, my ability to say that you have the same abilities, like every being on this earth has that same inherent it inside of them.

And recognizing, you know, so many wisdom is like X mark.

You know, you get to where you started.

It's.

It's.

It's.

It's this understanding that you could go to all the places and look for all of the answers, only to continuously realize that it's all been here the whole time.

Beautiful.

Yeah.

Thank you.

Thank you so much.

So thank you for your work.

Thank you so much.

I do want to say my work is 100 remote also, so I work with people around the planet, so I just want to make sure that that's clear.

Very.

Right.

Thank you.

That's fantastic.

Yeah.

And.

And thanks again and thanks to your lovely wife.

I wish you guys well and we'll definitely, hopefully get you back on again sometime.

Man.

Congratulations on the baby.

And, you know, in the article that I'm working on now, I'm literally writing about how inner child work and reparenting as a parent is like, the most radical experience.

And as you get closer to fatherhood, if you want to drop in, I'd be honored.

Ah, thanks, brother.

I really appreciate that.

And we'll get you back on again sometime if you want to stick around, but I know you've got a head off, so actually head off then.

We'll check in once I've finished here.

But thank you so much again.

It's been an absolute pleasure and an honor.

All the best.

Yeah, thank you, too.

My pleasure.

All right, beautiful humans.

That brings us to the end of another episode of We Are Already Free.

The amazing Seth Kaufman rocking it for us today.

That was super rad.

And we even had a cool little live audience checking in.

So please do stay connected, listen to more episodes, find Seth in the show.

Notes linked.

And I mean, to me, it's very rare that I would ever get someone on the podcast when I know so little about them, really.

Like, usually it's someone I've been following for a while.

It's a recommendation from someone, someone I've already had on.

Like, I usually take time with this, but when it came to Seth, I read that one little piece that I read out to you at the beginning of this episode, and I was like, I need him on the podcast immediately.

And as you've just listened to it with me, I imagine you're on the same page that this has been something truly special and magnificent.

So this will be out on all podcast platforms.

If you're hearing it, then it's already out, of course.

And just a reminder that if you are wanting to get a little more, a little healthier with your dopamine relationships, if you find yourself scrolling on social media more than you'd like to, if you're spending 3 plus, the average that I was spending on my phone was three hours a day.

It's crazy.

That's almost an entire day out of every week is 21 hours out of every seven days.

That's crazy.

So if you are someone who's also going through these experiences where you're scrolling more than you're creating, you're consuming more than you're creating, but you've stuck in that loop, it's okay.

It's not your fault.

This is what these things are designed for and there are reasons for it.

So I did create a, I did create, I love that, a 21 day dopamine detox challenge.

It is free.

It is available now.

It's linked in the show notes.

You can just go to alreadyfree Me Join Challenge.

But you don't need to remember that.

Just check the link in the show notes.

It's way easier that way.

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It's definitely like ramping up my excitement for the experience.

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