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Welcome to the Successful Nurse Coach Podcast.

On this podcast, Laura and Shelby, both board certified nurse coaches, show you how to make

as much money as you want in private practice as a nurse coach.

Hey everyone, and welcome back to the Successful Nurse Coach Podcast.

It is Shelby here today and I have a different episode for you.

We have a guest host on the podcast today.

Not a guest, but a guest host.

And her name is Megan Ratan.

If you are a longtime listener of the pod, she's been on here before.

She is a part of our lead learning team over at Nurse Life Coach Academy.

All around favorite Megan,

and she's here today to interview me for the podcast.

And I showed up to this call with no preparation.

I really have no idea what comes next,

but Megan gets to drive.

So here's the mic.

It's yours, my friend.

I love it.

Passing.

Passing the baton.

Yeah.

Well, I will say too, that I let my husband know that I was doing this and he was

so excited from the lens of.

I want all my podcast hosts to be guests on other podcasts.

So great opportunity for us to just kind of slip it a little bit and for you to be in the

other seat.

Yeah, I'm excited.

And this is shout out to Amy Frame.

This is Amy Frame's idea.

She's been nagging us.

I. Okay.

Nagging's a strong word.

She's been strongly recommending for like six months for us to do this style of podcast.

And this one's for you, Amy. It's all for you, baby girl.

It's your idea and I'm finally executing on it six months later.

Um, but I'm excited.

You know, to be honest, Megan, I really do love to talk about myself, so this gives me a

really good excuse to be able to do it.

Perfect.

Perfect.

Okay, we're gonna start out.

So at the time of this recording, I don't know when you're.

When you're planning on airing it, but right now we're about approaching the end of the

year.

Uh huh.

And I'm just curious for you, as you're looking back on your year, if there's

been word or an energetic theme that's come forward for your 2025.

Oh my God.

Yes.

I feel like my intention settings or my goal settings every year take on a different

flavor.

Like it's not always copy and paste.

And this time last year we were creeping up.

My son was gonna be born in like two weeks.

And just being in this time of year again, you know, that whole theme of like, the body keeps

the Score.

It's, like, been a little extra tender the past few days.

And right after he was born on December 3 last year, the word that came to me was

unrecognizable.

You are going to be unrecognizable.

And as I'm laying in the ICU bed hearing this, I'm like,

**** me.

This is maybe one of my lowest moments so far in my 34 years.

And to hear spirit talking to me in words like unrecognizable, I was like, you've got to be

kidding.

Like, I'm not ready.

For so many reasons, I'm not ready.

And maybe we'll get into this a little later, but.

Oh, my God, did 2025 deliver on.

On that word I had?

Yeah. There was a lot of growth this year.

There was a lot of leaning into the unknown.

Like, business has taken on a full new form for me in the past 12 months, and

unrecognizable it was, and I'm happy to expand, but, yes.

Short answer, yes.

Unrecognizable.

Yeah. Yeah. And so with that, is there.

Is there still murmurations of that feeling true for you now, or what has shifted in this

moment now for you?

Um, I will say that I probably feel.

Like, more myself than ever.

Like, I. I think deep down, I always knew this version of me existed.

Um, it's kind of like all of the.

All of the healing work that I've done in the past seven years, all the coaches that I've

hired, all the scary things, like, the vulnerable things that I've done in the past

seven years has all, like, set me up for, like, the Super bowl of 2025.

And then this was, like, a big year of becoming the most integrated version of

myself.

And so,

yes, I do feel unrecognizable.

There are many pieces of myself that I said

goodbye to in 2025, and.

And that sounds sad.

I don't really mean it as sad.

It's just, like, the evolution of growth.

And,

um, so I feel, like, really grounded and really rooted, like, 93% of the time right

now.

And,

you know, we're entering on the end of the year,

coming into to 2026, and this is kind of like a natural, like, deep breath moment of, like,

okay, we made it.

We survived.

Now how can we do next year?

Like.

Bigger, better, and also in more alignment, too.

Like, how do we.

How do we keep all of the vision work going

without burning myself out?

You know, I'm thinking about that a lot right now of, like, I don't want to slow down the

dream.

I don't want to slow down the vision.

I don't want to slow down the work.

But how do we make it more sustainable is, like, phase two here,

creeping into 2026.

Yeah, that's huge.

And that's a beautiful thing to say, too.

I mean, even the fact that you're saying 93% of the time,

that's an A, baby, that isn't an A.

It's better than any grade I got in school.

You know, like, truly, I. I really do feel that way.

There are sure.

Absolutely.

Moments.

But they are so brief.

They're so brief.

Which is also, I think, something I'm really proud of long term is that, like, I'm able to

return to, like,

my true self, my core self, faster and faster with.

Not with, like, bypassing or telling myself that it doesn't matter, just gaslighting

myself back to neutral, but,

like an acknowledgement, a processing, communicating what I need and then, like,

moving on is something 2020 me couldn't even comprehend.

Like, that did not exist in my tool belt at all.

Right, right.

That's huge.

Yeah,

it's cool.

It kind of freaks me out.

I'm like, okay,

now that you are the most badass version of yourself, what's possible now?

And that freaks me out in, like, a cool way,

equal parts exciting and scary from here.

Yeah,

right.

It has me thinking of, like, the idea of breaking through ceilings.

And then once we do, there's this whole new landscape, but the ceiling has become the

floor again.

And I see, like,

all this strength and, as you said, like, integration and nourishment.

And it's like this fuller embodied.

You now has a different capacity for what's

forward, not necessarily which for more challenges,

but should be with whatever is here now in this new landscape.

Yep. That's a good way to put it.

And it really feels like a felt sense, like an

inner.

It's an inner felt sense, which is, like, such a somatic thing to say.

So, so somatic.

Language.

But, like, the work has been harder than ever.

It's been more challenging than ever.

There's literally never been any more at stake as there has been in the past 12 months.

Yet there's, like, a full knowing that we'll figure it out.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's amazing.

Yeah, it's cool.

So I wanna see, too, in the kind of the heels of that, of, like, what's one

wonderfully unpolished thing about your life right now that would have your audience, your

listeners be like, yep, yep, Shelby's just like the rest of us.

Yeah.

Oh,

oh. Wonderfully unpolished.

I can think of a few.

Um,

like a really surface level one is I'm like scanning my office right now and I'm like,

there's the bowl I ate soup from yesterday and there's like my sparkle sparkling water.

And here's like a bowl of like peanut butter and apples I was eating before.

You know, like, there are many loose ends in my life more on like a home front to where,

like.

Yeah, it's just like so unpolished.

Like, if someone knocked on my door right now

and was like, let me come in your home, I would feel the need to apologize, to be like,

yeah, there's like dog hair everywhere and it's just, it's lived in.

We're here with three kids in a business that demands a lot.

Me and my husband made a pact a while ago of, like, this,

we're not gonna like, hold each other accountable for this.

We're just here and like, when it gets 10 to 2, it gets 10 to 2.

Um,

so that's, that's a very surface level thing, but probably on a.

Deeper unpolished thing, I think.

If I were to hire a coach right now, what

would I hire them for? It would be that my life is still pretty.

Not one sided because I feel like my life is multi dimensional.

However,

it's weighted to like, business and family and there's like nothing else balancing out the

scale for me right now.

And this was a conversation I was having with

Laura earlier this week of like,

I'm done with it like this and it's not Laura's fault.

This was a conversation as friends.

We were having.

I was like, I, like,

I. We committed to do whatever we needed to do these 12 months.

And I'm just noticing that I'm really proud of us.

We learned so much and I, like, want to go do other things too.

I want to go see my friends.

Like, I want to host a dinner party club next

year.

Like, I'm out of the newborn phase, so there's

like a little bit more bandwidth to like,

have desire to do things like that now that I'm sleeping kind of through the night with

along with my baby.

Um, so that scale is like very much tipped for me and it's been a necessary tipping and I, I

can see it.

I can see the horizon.

I see the light at the end of the tunnel.

We've hired a lot of support.

Like, I feel like we're gonna like, start to

swing back here.

Um,

but whenever I think that I. I judge myself a lot for that because we.

We are all for, like, holistic businesses and don't kill yourself to build your business.

And pop, pop,

pop.

And I have been humbled quite deeply by that.

By the last 12 months of just, like, what

business has required and what we've had to give and acknowledging that, like, I was

willing to give it, and now it has to, like, shift.

There has to be reprieve.

Um,

so that's like, the messy.

The messy truth there.

And it's important to share that.

Even the other day, I was hopping on with a newer client, and it's funny how

deep and insidious those parts can be.

Where I had a moment of my youngest is

homesick.

Things haven't been going so smooth in the home.

Like, there's all these things happening that.

That part of me came in online.

I'm like, who to hop on this call?

Like, I don't have my **** figured out.

And then right away it's like,

source something.

Hierarchy in.

And it's like, of course you don't, because you are a human.

You're not meant to.

Like, if you're just skilled and embodied and showing up as you are and holding space for

somebody else.

Like, we're not meant to be perfect.

And I think that sometimes that's where it gets slippery, especially in this business of,

like, we're not meant to be perfect.

And to give grace to the fact that there's a peanut butter bowl.

That's the stable and the reality.

You live with dogs and three children.

Yeah.

Yep. I. Yeah. And that's probably, like, really helpful for people to hear.

And there have been seasons in our business to where we have coasted, and it has been

awesome.

It was so great.

It's kind of like one of those things.

You just didn't know how good it was until it was over.

You're like, ****, I really wish I would have paid more attention when it was easier.

And that was a misconception that I had when I first started my business to where if I can

just figure out all of the right pieces,

then it's like solving a puzzle that you only solve once.

And,

like, sometimes that's true, but it's more like you put together the puzzle, and then

your toddler comes and, like, steals puzzle pieces and runs away with it, and you're like,

no, like, wait, I already solved that problem.

Come back.

And then you just get, like, really good at,

like, solving all the problems repetitively.

And they don't.

They're not as taxing anymore.

But I think that's why entrepreneurship, it's

what has me most frustrated and also keeps me coming back.

Cause I'm like, ooh, who do I get to become in this next phase?

If I can just stick it out, like, who? Who's on the other side of this challenge and

this hard thing?

And yeah, it's equally parts frustrating and fun, which is just tantalizing enough to keep

going.

Right, right, right.

Yeah.

And depth equals the rise.

Right.

So it's like whatever hole we're in or whatever that layer is of, like, healing

and deeper understanding, it does expand on the other side tenfold.

And so.

And not just in your business either.

Just kind of like in every area of your life too.

And.

Oh, yeah.

I'm just like, visualizing all of the ways,

all the coaching skills that I've learned over the years and how it just ripples in to

relationships.

Basically, the most important thing in my life is relationships and just how it serves me,

how it serves other people, how I'm such a better communicator.

I love people deeper.

I love them harder.

Yeah.

The depth you're willing to go.

Absolutely.

Pays off in every direction forever.

It's awesome.

Right, Right.

So tapping a little deeper into that and knowing that you've shared pieces of your

story before,

I'd love to hear it through the lens of zooming out and looking at it.

Like,

these chapter shifting moments.

And for you,

like, the ones that have rerouted you, the ones that have cracked you open quietly or not

so quietly, like, what would you say are these chapter shifting moments in your life that

brought you to today?

So many.

So many.

Yeah. Thinking back of when I first found out about nurse coaching, and I was like, working

night shift in the ER at a very unsafe facility,

and I was having just like many weeks on end where I would look in the mirror and not know

who was looking back at me.

I was just like a shell of a person.

And I'm not a night shift person.

I, like, really am not.

I know that there are some people that might prefer it, but I can.

I just couldn't get it down.

I was a zombie all the time.

And there was a moment,

one of my very last shifts at that er, I was on a travel assignment,

and I was probably like seven or eight weeks pregnant at the time.

And I went to the charge nurse because I got a patient with shingles,

and I was like, hey, I'm pregnant.

Nobody knew at that time except for my

husband.

And I can't Take this active shingles patient.

And she looked at me like I was making the

most outrageous request that she had ever heard.

And I was confused of, like, this feels like nursing like 101.

Like, can I just switch this very stable shingles patient and I'll just take the next

trauma that comes in.

Like, I'm not sure, like, why this is such a big request.

And that was just like a bell ringer moment of,

like,

it doesn't matter.

You don't matter.

Like, that's how I felt in that moment.

It's just like you are a cog in the wheel and

you are being squeaky and rusty right now and it's annoying to everybody else.

And that was really close to the graduation time for nurse coaching.

And I don't think if that moment didn't happen,

I wouldn't have jumped into nurse coaching in the way that I did.

I just knew,

like, I. No one had my back there and I couldn't go back.

Like, it was a burn the boats moment for me.

And I tell this story a lot to our students.

I'm the type of person that could not have had one foot in and one foot out of a job and an

entrepreneurship.

For me, it had to be all in or else I would

not have done it.

And that's just who I am as a person.

So it all worked out in the end.

But it was uncomfortable.

As many expletives.

It was very uncomfortable for that period of

time.

So that's kind of like the one that started the snowball here.

And then, you know, the first year of entrepreneurship is so hard and so

challenging.

You're like drinking from a fire hydrant.

I cried every week.

I was also pregnant for the first time.

Like, there's all of those routine things going on, but the,

the next one was definitely heart surgery for me was like another like big line in the sand

and just choosing to show up for my business when there was like a real risk that I could

die at any second.

I look back on that and I'm like, man, you crazy.

That's freaking insane.

That's wild.

And.

But that was really a life saving measure for me.

I think to be plugged in, to do something meaningful, to have my life mean something,

was really important to me during that time.

And I also learned a bunch of new skills.

I got diagnosed with an anxiety disorder during that time that I didn't know I had.

Like, again, you know, it's just all these invitations to go deeper into your own self.

And every time I have Been presented with an opportunity to go deeper or back off.

I just go deeper.

And I think it's my coping mechanism.

Like, I just have to know,

like staying here or reverting back is just not how,

not how my brain works.

I just have to know.

And it does come with its own challenges too.

And so there's that and then there's like the continuing of motherhood and the business

growing and then all the other stuff.

And then I would say probably most recently

it's been this year, 2025.

Like there's been again, it's been unrecognizable for the past 12 months.

And this year has been full of things I said that I would never do, that I would never work

Sundays that I would never do, 12 hour days that I would never, never, never, never,

never.

And what I have learned most recently from like a spiritual and soul level is whenever

you are tapped into a bigger vision and a bigger purpose.

Like,

because it is bigger than you,

you're almost like employed to your vision.

Like, there's certain things that have to get

done in order to have this be a reality.

And being employed to my vision is.

It's almost like a magnetic pull.

I can't say no to it.

Like, and, and that has its shortcomings too, but.

It'S work that's just like an extension of who I am at this point.

And so setting it down or quitting.

I like can't imagine a world where I do that.

Um, so all of this to be said,

those have been the three big ones with lots of other like mini chapters of like going from

one baby to two babies and like hitting seven, multiple seven figures in our business.

And then like all of the failed partnerships and scammy mentors that we've hired, like,

there's like all these other micro chapters that come into it, but those are,

those are the big highlights for me personally.

Yeah, I think too, playing with your wording too here of being employed to

your vision, it's just how you're in relationship with your vision.

And it's a long term relationship that takes work and effort and vocalizing.

Right. And listening.

And that's what I hear you say.

Yeah.

Have you heard that saying you wanted a full plate?

It's like, don't, don't complain about your full plate.

Just like, figure out how to manage the full plate.

And I don't know,

I don't know what genetic condition I have megged where I'm always like, I want to live

my life to the fullest.

Capacity like that is weaved into my DNA.

I.

Even before coaching, that was, like.

What I was known for.

Of, like, if it was something kind of wild and

crazy, Shelby's probably gonna go do it, you know?

And, you know, there's all these conversations Laura and I have behind closed doors and a.

We were.

We hired a mentor a few years ago, and he

goes, well, what is the mission here? And I was like, we want to change healthcare.

He goes, well, what does that mean? I was like, I don't know.

Like, I can.

Like, I'm not sure, like, what it means to

change healthcare.

Now we have a way more clear picture of that.

But.

Of course, if you want to change healthcare, that's a big girl dream that requires big girl

pants and shoes.

Like, that is a big thing to pull off.

And it's never felt more achievable than it does now.

But, like, there was still a little bit of a cognitive disconnect for me of, like, I can

change healthcare and be on the beach five times a week.

You know, like, there was like a.

You're not gonna change healthcare by manifest.

Right.

And not taking any action, especially with, like, the.

The personal development soup, where people can get lost in just thinking about things

over and over and over.

Like, intentions don't count here.

Intention plus action is what counts.

And so, yeah, it's a great employment with my

vision.

I'm not sad about it at all.

Not sad about it at all.

I'm so grateful to feel so connected to it, to

where it feels like life force energy to me.

Um,

but it's way harder than I ever thought, and I didn't know that I could work this hard for

it.

Right?

Yeah.

Right?

Yeah.

And I love the way that you're highlighting this too, in the sense of.

I think about this with manifestation, too.

Of like, it's not vision boards.

It's rewiring our subconscious.

Unfortunately, it's deeper.

Like, vision boards are beautiful, make them,

but it's.

It's so much deeper.

Like, the work is real.

It's capital work.

It is real life work.

And you're.

You're leaning in and.

And just hearing you talk about too, like,

that you've always had this drive,

and this is always who you are.

It has me kind of think of, like, all the

different personality tests I take or talk about my horoscope or I talked about making my

design.

It has me thinking of what all of us were in our nurse specialties.

Like, that's personality test in.

You were a travel nurse.

You worked in the, er.

Like, this is real.

Yeah.

Real stuff.

Yeah. And here's also the.

The truth of what I think of it is, like, I don't.

Like, yes, this is the, like, DNA of who I am as a person, but I don't believe that I'm

special here.

I think that I have been willing to play ball harder than most.

Like, both Laura and I, and to be honest, team, I probably wouldn't play ball so hard if

it wasn't for Laura.

Like, she drives harder than I do, and I love her for it.

Like, I probably would have quit end of last year just given the circumstances or, like,

had a.

A big revamp, there would have been something else that happened, but because she was there

kind of holding the vision for me when I couldn't.

We are so lucky to be here now.

And, yeah, I just don't think that I'm special and I don't really think that Laura is either.

Like, we're just like, two regular people who are willing to.

And I think that's, like, the premise of it.

And I just went on the same.

The same vision board rant like, 3 days ago on a call of, like, it's not vision board.

Like, we gotta put our feet on the ground and walk like that is.

You can have your vision board in the distance, and that's where we're walking to.

But there are so many things that, like, bring that.

Bring that to life.

And the more rooms that we get into where I'm

hanging out with, like, really successful people that have built something from nothing,

we're all having the same conversation.

It's not like this magical strategy that we

purchased from someone's, like, webinar.

It's not this secret podcast that we're all

listening to with all the hacks.

We're not biohacking our way.

We're just, like, literally putting in the

repetitions and being brave enough to, like, put a dream down on paper and then be like,

all right, how do we break that down into manageable steps and begin to bring it to

life?

That's the piece that we.

I hope that people listening to this that they can find contagious and also be willing to do

as well.

Right, Right.

The inch by inch moments is what makes it so.

I'm curious for you too, then, looking back on all these chapters, and it might even be

chapters before all of this, but are there.

Is there a belief or beliefs that have shifted for you over the years that maybe you thought

something was true and now it doesn't ring true for you anymore?

Yeah,

just, I was like, I have the business answer to this.

And then I have, like, the real spiritual.

Like, is God real?

Like, I have that one as well, but.

And kind of both for me over the past decade or so.

Ooh. What specific beliefs, though?

I think the belief that if I can just, like, be good enough,

then life is easier and happy and rainbows.

That was a big one that broke down for me.

And the more you learn to feel and communicate and be in deeper relationships with others,

then you like it.

It just gets kind of harder, you know, like, the spectrum gets wider.

I hope I'm describing this appropriately, but, like, my relationships are better not because

we only have happy memories together, but they are better because we are able to have harder

conversations,

if that makes sense.

And so I didn't have the skill of hard

conversations before coaching.

And it's been one I've had to intentionally

build for, like, five years and one that I just recently feel confident in.

But that piece of, like,

there's no right formula to do everything correctly so that you never suffer.

That doesn't exist.

You just get better at being able to feel everything and, like, appreciate being able to

feel everything.

And so that's a really big belief.

To be honest with you, I'm still pretty mad

about,

like, still Birdie.

I'd still find myself trying to be like, well,

if we can just do it right, if we can just do it perfect, if we can just predict the future,

then it'll be okay.

So that's a pretty big belief.

And then also, since I mentioned it, I'll go

here.

But the spiritual side of things, I had a

deconstruction journey start almost like the same month that I opened my private practice.

And I have spent the past seven years.

I know it probably doesn't sound like I have a lot of free time, and I really don't, but

every ounce of free time, Megan.

I have been studying theology and religion and

God, and just like a sponge, I cannot get enough of it because I had to break down all

of the,

like, what that meant.

And then I have been slowly,

like, finding the bricks to put it back together.

And that could probably be an entirely other podcast, but that has.

Also been,

like, as someone who was raised in the south, in church and in mission trips, like, that has

been a insanely isolating and calibrating experience for me.

And I'm so lucky to be surrounded by people who can, like, hold their beliefs and then

also hold mine at the same time.

Kind of like, while I'm A.

A little chicken making their way out of the egg here.

And I'm, like, mushy and, like, not fully formed.

Um, so that has been.

And I'm not.

I'm probably like 40% of the way there on that

one still.

Still building brick by brick.

So that's, like, a pretty big one that has

been for me in the past decade.

That's a huge one.

And I really appreciate you naming it here

because every once in a while you'll kind of.

Yeah,

you'll hint at things, but to even just share what you shared is.

Is. Is a really.

It's really huge.

Yeah, it is a big piece.

It is a big piece.

And.

Again, feeling, like, really lucky that, like, whenever I see Laura and we, like, go to

business dinners or we're like, okay, what's our plan for this?

And then I'm like, ugh.

But, like, is hell real? And she's like, ah, well, like, let's talk

about it.

And we could, like, bounce between these two

things pretty fluidly.

Um,

and here's.

My premise is, like, I don't know that it's

necessarily my place, and I can tell my story however I want on social media, whatever, but

I haven't felt called to make this a pillar of what I talk about.

Mainly because,

one, I'm.

I'm freaked out by, like, what people in my

life are going to tell me.

Like, even the fact that my dad might listen to this podcast, like, makes my stomach drop a

little bit.

And it's like, I don't know how to communicate what I'm experiencing yet, or I haven't had

the words.

I feel like I'm getting closer to the words,

but I haven't been able to,

like, have an incredibly.

Productive is not the right word.

I just haven't been able to talk about it

without getting defensive.

And.

If we're just gonna argue, then I don't wanna argue about it with people in my life.

And so I think that I'm getting closer.

I'm.

I'm getting my feet underneath me.

And,

you know, this is something that people reach out to me quite a bit.

Whenever I, like, put up a little flare here and there, they're like, ah, that resonates.

And.

But at the end of the day, my goal here is.

Is like, I want to be the same person in every

room that I walk into.

And this is kind of like my.

My last frontier to where I filter the hardest and I shy away the most is this piece

depending on who,

like, on my level of safety and I know that it's my job at the end of the day to create

safety for myself in every room that I'm in.

And so more to be talked about soon.

More to be talked about soon.

Yeah, I can hear the tenderness in what you're saying.

Makes sense that it's protected while.

You'Re,

it's your truth and it's your,

it's, it's your life and it's your viewpoint.

And only Shelby is on Shelby's path in this.

And so it makes so much sense that it's something that it doesn't it.

Spirituality is just something that's so intimate.

Is it?

That.

I can just really appreciate all,

all that you're saying.

And I think that in my own very humble

opinion, I think there are so many, many, many different paths to God and whatever definition

that is for anyone.

And just being respectful of each one of us on our own journey to finding access to whatever

that relationship and connection is, is key.

I think so too.

I think so too.

And I think as nurse coaches, we do a pretty good job here of, like, being able to

recognize that.

And I think this probably translates from

like, our work as bedside nurses to where you had to honor many different cultures and

religions and all this other,

other things too.

And every time I have brought up pieces of

this, everyone has been so kind and respectful and all, all those things.

You guys have created many, many acres of safe space for me to share.

But yeah, for a long time I tried to force it.

Like, I was like, hyper focused on, like, if I

can just figure it out.

You see, there it is again.

If I can just figure it out, then everything will be fine.

And I had a spiritual mentor of mine a few years ago.

He is like, I don't think that's how this is gonna work.

I think that you're just gonna have to be willing to let it unfold and instead of trying

to strangle it, be more curious and then there's more space there.

And I was like.

Okay,

okay,

okay.

So,

yeah, I, I, I hope to do the next installment when I have more information.

And that's kind of like where we've landed for,

for 2025. That's where we planned it.

Yeah.

Oh, I love it.

And it's that part that, like,

those of us, I, I resonate with so much of what you're saying, which isn't surprising,

but just that that eagerness and that curiosity and want to figure everything out

and like, it's like kind of opening up a clock and like, look at all these little parts.

But also,

just to take the metaphor further, like, it doesn't mean that I understand time.

I just drain in a clock.

Right.

But there's that little part of me that wants to be figuring out time.

It's just all about.

It's a. That constant practice of, like,

surrender and follow in my code.

That's what I hear you're saying.

Yeah.

Oh, man.

Do we have time to talk about time and the

concepts of time on this podcast?

Do we have it?

Oh,

yeah.

That's another wormhole we could.

Yeah. Get into.

Okay, well, let's flip it in a different way of time.

So the evolution of nurse coaching.

I would love to hear, like, what you feel

you've witnessed in the evolution of nurse coaching since you've been in this business.

Whoa.

Yeah, I know.

I'm aware of nurse coaching from, like 2017 forward.

I had a meeting a couple weeks ago with a fellow nurse coach.

She actually lives down the road for me here in Texas.

And we were talking and she owns another certification company, and she was basically

like the nurse coach historian.

Like, she was just like, spitting facts.

I mean, I was like, wow, there are so many things that I like just about the origin and

how it got started.

And she knows everyone and now she knows me, but, like, there's just so many things that

she had to say.

And I was like, you need to put this on paper.

Like, we need to.

That's helpful to, like, understand a bigger context.

But from 2017, from my perspective,

the industry has grown, like, really, really fast.

And.

And there's like less than 4,000 board certified nurse coaches in existence.

You know, so, like, when Laura and I found certification and found each other, there were

less than 500.

It was really, really small.

And then through a lot of hard work, through has grown, you know, not just ours, but, like,

there's been a collective effort going on here over many, many years.

And when 2020 hit team,

I.

Think that nurse coaching was in a pretty.

Reactive place.

And I don't mean that to sound negative, but

there was a lot of nurses, like, fearful for their jobs, for their safety, for their

livelihood.

And nurse coaching was a safe place for people to land and to, like, come and recover and be

seen and heard and loved on.

And I didn't know this in the moment, but,

like, during those couple of years playing nurse, coaches were hungry.

They wanted a different way.

The system was just, like, more broken than ever and, like, had an enormous amount of

stress put on it due to Covid.

And.

Looking back on that time, I'm like, oh, everyone was just panicked, like, us included,

too, you know? Like, I think that we were.

Laura and I were trying our best to be able to, like, help people who wanted out in a

similar way that we had gotten out.

And I had no idea.

Like, for context, Laura and I partnered

together at the end of 2019, and, like, August, September.

So, like, we really.

We really didn't know.

And a lot of that was just, like,

we had the right information at the right time at the right place.

And it was a life raft for a lot of people that wanted private practice and probably,

like, 2023,

entering into 2024.

It feels less reactive to me now.

Nurse coaching is more popular than ever.

More people know about it.

And the nurses that I am meeting coming into

the specialty still want to do nursing differently.

But what is surprising to me is I actually kind of have to sell them on having a private

practice.

And I'm like, what do you mean?

You don't want to.

You know, like, what do you.

What do you.

But there are so many.

There are nurses that do want a private practice.

Like, represent.

You guys are awesome.

You're out there.

You're doing it.

But there is a good chunk of.

Of nurses who want to rebuild nursing from

inside hospital walls.

And I think pre2020, that was not as possible as it is right now.

And so there's.

There's all these cracks in the systems.

There's, like, wellness initiatives now that didn't exist five years ago.

There's all these things where the tides are, like, turning in our favor,

and we, frankly need excellent nurses bedside still.

Like, there's a real crisis happening here, and it's not a shortage problem.

It's a retention issue,

and something has to give.

I want to play a part in solving that problem.

And so that's where I see it now.

I still see that, like, nurses who are wanting

something different,

wanting to do nursing differently.

Like, private practice is always here.

They're doing so well.

I just got off a call right before this with a client who she was like, I'm booked.

Like, I'm.

I'm booked out.

I'm booked out.

I'm booking into January, and we're in

November right now, which was awesome.

And there is kind of like the.

The need has shifted a little bit of how do we

take care of our own better? How do we become more equipped leaders?

How do we support our new grads more? Like, how.

How do we turn the help to the nurses themselves?

Um, and I'm really excited and moved by that, like we've got to meet with leaders over the

past six months like at hospitals, CNOs who are big like change makers and to like be

supportive in their, in their hospitals, to bring that vision to life is really, really

something.

And so that's where we kind of are now.

And I.

I mean I'm biased Meg, but I really think nurse coaching is the answer.

I think it's the answer for everything.

I think it's, you know, I think it's the

answer for nurses who want to do nursing differently.

I think it's the answer for nursing retention problems and turnover and burnout.

I think it'd be really cool to have nurse coaches on staff, like have that be a

household thing just to cuz it is an impossibly demanding job to do long term.

And I think with the newer generation of nurses like coming up.

That they have a lower tolerance for BS.

And so, and, and I don't think that that's a bad thing.

I think that they are, they're like millennials.

Felt like a little like canary in the coal mine situation and then like Gen Z's coming up

and is like we're just gonna do it differently now.

So if we can help equip the new generation of nurses for more sustainable careers, that

would be amazing.

Right, right.

And so.

People already know so many bits of this, but I think it's important just to highlight too

right here,

like how does your practice and the successful nurse coaches and the nurse life coach

academy,

how does that support in this emergence that's happening?

How does it fill in the gaps here?

Yeah,

yeah.

Well, at the successful nurse coaches we have

you for all your private practice dreams, desires.

That's still where like my, the biggest chunk of my heart is for nurses who are built like

me and want to do something different and are willing to jump off the cliff of

entrepreneurship.

That's where a big piece of my heart is.

And we have rolled out nurse coach residency

which is like I feel like the final boss of programs that we've rolled out for, for

business coaching.

And it's one I'm most proud of.

And to where we really focus on like making you excellent as a coach and focusing on the

repetitions like all these the things we were talking about earlier of like I'm gonna have

you put your feet on the ground and start walking.

Like our goal there is to help you make money as quickly as possible and to make impact as

quickly as possible in private practice.

Um, so successful nurse coaches, that's our primary Goal is the nurse coach residency over

there.

And then with Nurse Life Coach Academy,

you know, of course any nurse can come in and take our course, but I think Laura and I have

visions of grandeur to take it and knock boots with people up the food chain here and to do

research and to have data and to have numbers that, like, back up our program so that we can

sell it on a bigger scale.

Scale.

Not necessarily to have the most students

ever, but,

like, imagine a hospital with an in house certification.

Right.

You know, like, or a hospital where every leader on staff is a trained nurse

coach.

You know, I want to make that happen.

We are, like, just starting to pull on the thread of that here.

And I don't really know what it looks like quite yet.

I know that we will probably have a lot of zoom meetings with a lot of people and talk a

lot and we'll get better and better as we go,

but I think that's where Nurse Life Coach Academy could have the most impact, is if a

hospital was willing to go first and collaborate on a. In a big way with us.

It's one of those things that Laura and I've talked and I was like,

we might do the first round for free just to get it in, just to have the numbers, to like,

have it on the back end.

Uh, that's how passionate we feel about it.

And I have been a patient in the bed, in a

patient bed 10 times in the past five years, which is insane.

Um,

but I think of all the nurses who did a great job and made the most impact on my care,

and they were the ones that could, like, look me in the eye and hold my hand and not like,

say the perfect thing, but just be with me in those moments and you can just feel their

heart.

And nurses with that skill,

I think, get chewed up by the system right now.

So then how do we, like,

protect those nurses, like the precious, precious resources that they are, and how do

we equip them and give them tools and all the things, but then also work on padding the

system so that people can do it for more than five years at a time?

Right. Yeah. You're bringing the humanity back into all that.

I hope so.

I hope so.

Yeah.

It's.

More possible than ever, Megan.

That's what I'm telling myself of.

I'm.

I'm looking at Mount Everest in my head right

now.

I'm like, more possible than ever.

More possible than ever before.

And I think that hospitals are more willing to have this conversation.

Yeah. So I'm interested how Laura would answer that question.

She probably has a lot more to add to that, but that's where we anticipate being able to

drive the car next.

Yeah, that's amazing.

So you've touched on this a bit in little ways, but I'd love to just kind of hear you

say, like, how you define success.

Like, how has your definition of success

shifted?

How do you define success now, personally, for.

Yeah.

Um, yeah, I think success initially.

Was like.

Can I not quit?

Was success.

That was like, the first metric of success for a really long time is can I just be in learner

mode and not quit?

And that lasted for, I don't know, like, three or four years.

And now I can feel the metric of success shifting because we have actual metrics to

track success in our business.

And so now success is a little less vision boardy and a little bit more, like, hard facts

of, like, did we do it? Did we not?

And that, I'll be honest with you, has been really challenging for me because I've never,

like, nursing has been my only career.

Bedside nursing has been my only role,

and I never was a manager of anything.

So this is so new for me.

And I oftentimes feel so out of my depth with, like, reports and ad spend and just, like, all

this stuff.

I'm like, who put the little kid in charge here?

Because I'm feeling pretty small.

I do think that I can learn how to do it,

and it's just been a big learning curve for me.

And then I think what, like, brings me peace of putting my head on my pillow every night is

that I worked really hard and I didn't shy away.

Like, I didn't leave an email in my inbox because I was afraid to respond to it or, you

know, like,

I ate all the frogs that day.

And even just from like, a personal note, I think this is back to the scale metaphor we

had in the beginning of, like, I feel out of balance with,

like, fun and the family and the, like, living my life outside of my business right now.

And so that would also.

I would love to put a little bit more in that area of my life in 2026.

Um, and then you'll be feeling pretty good.

Like, I feel.

Feel pretty, pretty awesome about it.

And then I was talking to my coach the other

day.

I was like, I think I need to move to

Portugal.

And she was like, can you not, like, what are

you doing?

And there is a quality about me that I think I'm forever just a little unsettled to, you

know, and, like, I'M always just a little, like, I'll always.

I'll always want more.

And so right now, in this season, you have

little kids, too.

Everyone listening to this podcast probably

has children.

That success for me also means, like, how can I make the most out of this stage of my life

without moving to Portugal? Without, like, some, like, grand plot twist,

you know?

And so, like, that's the skill that I'm, like, building personally right now.

It's like, okay,

I don't know that you're ever going to be fully satisfied with anything ever.

So, like, how can we just make the most of it right here?

What does that mean?

How does it look?

Because I always want to move to Portugal or move into an RV or go to Hawaii.

Like, it just.

Let's go and do.

Let's go and overextend ourselves.

Let's go do that.

So that's also, I think, what success will be geared towards next year of how do we not sell

your house and move across the world?

Right.

Right.

We have so many similar love languages.

I can't out the amount of ridiculous Zillow places I have emailed myself.

Like, this will be a possibility.

And my husband now knows to just kind of listen and roll his eyes and the next thing

comes along.

But it's the seeker.

It's the.

Yeah,

yeah.

Yep. We had a. Me and my husband had a human design reading a few years ago, and that's,

like, the one thing that he told us was like, rob, she will.

It will never be enough for her.

It will just never be enough.

And it's not your fault, and it's not her

fault.

It's just.

It'll never be enough.

And, like, the relief that washed over him was

like,

okay, this is just who she is.

And I want to talk about buying a French

chateau and renovating it into an Airbnb.

Like,

I. I'm just an idea machine.

I love ideas.

I love daydreaming, I love all of that.

And even just saying it out loud, I think that

it allows me to dream big here.

And then when I can put my feet on the ground and, like, start walking towards it, like,

this is the zone that has the most impact for me.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So as with all this responsibility and with all that you are taking steps towards, as well

as there's motherhood, there's partnership, there's leadership, there's a rapidly growing

company.

How do you personally stay anchored in what matters most for you?

Oh, such a good one.

This is such a, like, cliche, coaching answer, but I know my core values,

hope, purpose and love.

And if all of the, like, every time I go to make a decision, if they don't fall into like

one of those categories, then it's just a no for me.

And.

I wish that I had that framework sooner.

And I read a book.

Two years ago,

maybe last year,

Adam Grant, the psychologist, he's total G. I really love reading his.

His stuff.

And he, the book's called Hidden Potential.

And he was talking about the science of people who do great things.

Like, what is the trend amongst them? Like, what makes it, Are they born that way?

Do they,

you know, get their skill from somewhere?

And there was a story he told in there about a man who was an architect, like in the 15th

century or whatever, and he designed these beautiful chapels.

And he, you know,

all of the builders wanted to buy his plans to build them in real life.

And every time he got close to building something in real life, he.

He would burn.

He would burn the papers so that no one could build it.

And because they existed to perfection in his brain and he didn't trust anybody else to

bring it to life.

And so nothing ever happened, nothing ever got done.

That sticks out to me quite a bit of like,

just build the thing, even if it's not perfect.

But then also,

as another point he makes in the book is that it's a skill to be able to say no to things

you don't want to do.

Like, that's part one and then part two is you

have to be able to say no to the things that you really want to do and the other really

good ideas and the other things that excite you and get you pumped up.

In order to achieve something awesome and impactful and wonderful and game changing,

everything else has to die off.

And I was really sad when I read that.

Q.

French Chateau Laundry Mat, that's also a rave at night.

Like all these, like, other wild ideas that I have.

And so it's like, well, what's the most important thing?

Like, what do you think you were put on this earth to do?

And I think that I have the skill and capacity with Laura to really make an impact here.

The Laundromat rave doesn't ******* matter.

The French chateau doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter.

Not. Not in the same way.

Um, so knowing my values,

do all decisions fall into that?

Having conversations with Rob, my husband,

this is not just like me steering the ship here.

We have these conversations often and my husband has made huge sacrifices in order for

me to be here and.

But that's how I stay, like,

undistracted in what's trying to.

What we're trying to do here long term.

Yeah, I love it.

And we could call it a coachee answer, but I

think that it's really.

It's an embodied answer.

And I just hearing you talk makes me think, like, at what age can we start instilling

this?

I tried it at my dinner table.

And I will announce that with.

At least with my family, 9 and 12 is a little too young.

None of Mali's assessment, everyone.

But I.

I really tried.

I love the effort, though.

I love the effort.

Yeah.

Like, just try to think of that from that lens of, like, it's.

To me, it's like a filtration system of, like,

does it.

Does it still make it through if we pass it?

Like, what you named as these three beautiful pillars.

Does it make.

Does it make the cut?

And maybe even to what measurable end? Like, okay, maybe it does, but which one is

which one? More substances.

Yep,

yep.

Yeah. And the.

The deeper I get into this, I'm like, oh, this

is why people don't do this.

Like, I understand.

Because it requires.

It requires everything.

If you really want to be exceptional, it requires all of it.

And as a multi passionate person, that is.

It's a lot for me to make peace with.

And I still have to do it pretty regularly.

I was talking to my brother last night,

starting a business where you rent plastic bins to move instead of cardboard boxes, you

just rent the plastic bins.

And I, like, went 30 seconds into a business

plan.

I was like,

stop.

Enough.

Like, not worth your brain space to, like, how

much can we charge per bin to be profitable? Like, it just doesn't matter.

And so, yeah, and because it's holistic for me, like,

my work here is weaved into my spiritual life.

It's weaved into my mental health.

It's weaved into my, you know, it's just like, all not sections of my life.

It's all just, like,

happening at the same time.

Um,

and currently, at the time we're recording this podcast, like,

I'm out of alignment on some of those too.

And maybe that's helpful to hear.

It's just like, you're allowed to get out of

alignment.

You're allowed to overdo it, and your only job

is just to be like me.

Pivot, and then, like, come, come back.

You're just constantly swinging back and

forth, back and forth.

Right, Right.

Balance isn't a stagnant state, unfortunately,

everybody.

It's.

Darn it.

Darn It.

Constant movement.

So is there, like, a. A boundary that you're.

You're kind of navigating right now or learning to be with in your own life?

Like a boundary of I won't.

Yeah.

Or a boundary like you're learning to hold or a boundary that you're learning to

honor or.

Yeah, I think.

And this is, like, pretty fresh of.

I mean,

again, I, like, feel the pit in my stomach as I'm about to share this.

But, like, Lauren, I've worked seven days a week for almost 365 days straight.

Laura's probably worked longer than that.

Like, every day.

Every.

Every day with very few breaks.

And.

I told her yesterday, I sent her a message, and I was like, all right, I'm out on Sundays.

She. She tried to float it.

She's like, we should.

We should just shut the business down on Sundays.

And I was like, no.

Oh.

And then, like, 48 hours later, I was like, we should.

We should just take that day.

It's not that big of a deal.

Like, it.

Yes, you can always justify more work,

and we cannot continue at this, like.

Level here.

And we have help coming, who's getting trained and all the things.

And, you know, I think that we're going to continuously decrease our workload over the

next, like, three or four months.

Um, but I think that that's the boundary because there's a chunk of my brain that's

always up in my office,

like,

thinking of the to dos and thinking of that message I need to send and thinking and

thinking and thinking and thinking.

And I do want space in my life to be able to,

like, put that down and go to the lake and go surfing with my dad.

And, you know, there's pieces of the puzzle that are not being tended to for me at the

moment.

So that's the boundary.

And I don't want to be like, parenting right now is also pretty tough.

Like, my kids are young, and they're just, you know, I love them and they're.

There's a lot of.

We're outnumbered now.

It's hard.

It's hard with three.

And it's easier for me to come sneak into my office and do a bunch of things that feel

really important than be with them all day.

And so I'm noticing, like, the tendency to, like, drift to work when parenting is

challenging.

And so I'm like, I don't want to be that mom.

I want to be here, be present for the tantrums and the meltdowns and all the things.

But that was a sneaky One work is easier than being a mom sometimes.

Yeah.

Yeah. I appreciate you saying all that.

You are.

I know in my own life, it's interesting to see the distractions that I'm creating for myself

in a way to not be present.

Yeah.

Whenever I hear people say, I just want to be more present, I'm like, lol.

Do you? Because that's like a. That's an endless

homework assignment from now until the day you die.

It's such a big one.

Yes.

Such, like.

And it ticks so much.

Like, talk about capacity.

It really does.

Much capacity.

All of it.

All of it.

All of it.

It's, again, one of those pretty words you can write out on paper, like on your vision board,

and you're like, you don't know what that means yet.

You don't know what that means yet.

You're going to find out soon because you

wrote it on that vision board, but you don't know what that means yet.

Right.

Yeah.

So I'd love.

Like to add and sprinkle in more play here

with you because, like, just kind of peeking behind the curtain in these different ways.

Like, I know that you're a foodie.

I don't know if knows that you're a foodie, but I'd love for you to share just these

other, like,

joyful, quirky, passionate little bits of you that.

We like my laundromat rave, where we.

All have hot dogs that I'm obviously going to that.

And then we'll go to your French afterwards.

Okay. So other fun things.

Other funny things.

Yeah. I do think that I've had this, like, hyper fixation with the laundromat for the

past six months because my brain has perceived it as easier than running this business over

here.

And then I saw an idea last night where you have a laundromat during the day and a music

venue at night.

And I think that that'd be fun, but I'm trying to think of, like, all the less serious things

about me because I tend to, like, hyper fixate on serious stuff.

But.

I. Yeah. So.

We went on a food tour when you were in Austin.

Like, we went on this, like, giant grand adventure that was like,

that retreat.

I made it for me.

It was not really for anybody else.

That was Shelby's retreat.

Five stars.

And.

But yeah, I. I do love food.

I love,

like,

community and food.

I really like to host.

Like,

I've had the same best friends since I was, like, 14 years old, and they are chosen family

for me.

And so we do.

We have, like, A midsummer party,

because we chose a holiday that isn't a major, like us holiday to celebrate together.

And so we have them over every summer and get all our kids together.

And we like, you know, dress in white like a cult.

It's super fun.

And we have food and just like, hang.

And then we're doing cousin Christmas, which

is where we all get together again during the holidays.

My. My kids, My brother doesn't want kids, so we don't have cousins in our family.

So I'm like, well,

this will not do.

I'm making cousin Christmas and we're gonna do

like a Christmas quest this year to where there will be challenges and they have to

restore the Christmas magic.

It's very elaborate.

I've planned it.

I've planned everything.

And so, like, there is community is a really, really, really big deal to me.

And I did a. And did an exercise recently about like, highs and lows of your life

through the decades.

And literally I orient my whole life on, like, who I know, when I met them, how they've

impacted my life.

Like, it's just how I am in the world.

So friendships are insanely meaningful to me.

Once you are my friend, I never let you go.

Like, there's a attachment issue probably

there.

Uh, but I also,

before my heart surgery, I used to be a pretty intense adrenaline junkie as well.

Like, I've been skydiving a few times.

I.

I'm so glad I rode all the roller coasters while I could because I can't anymore.

But, like, that was like, my definition of fun was like, going and seeking the thrill.

Like, I really love to go scream at the top of my lungs on the top of a roller coaster.

That's a really great time for me.

Um,

I also really do.

Haven't done it as much with kids, but we, we do like to travel.

I did get traumatized pretty hard on a plane with my 18 month old.

A couple, like a year ago going to Hawaii, I was pregnant with my third and my 18 month old

had a catastrophic meltdown for eight hours.

And I like, have had to do some somatic work to get back on a plane because I'm like crying

baby, oh my God, that was so hard.

But I like to go places.

I like to experience places.

And I've noticed over the years that like,

anything touristy is a pretty big turnoff for me and that I am such an a hole.

But, like, I'm let down by, like,

famous monuments.

The first time I saw the Eiffel Tower, I was

like, that's it really?

Okay. Like,

that's.

Oh, all right.

But, like,

natural things.

Standing on the edge of the Grand Canyon, the first time I almost wept because you just

feel, like, so small,

and it's, like, a little unsafe to stand on the edge of the Grand Canyon.

So there's.

I have a preference.

I'm not a vacation buddy.

I'm an adventure buddy.

Like, if we go.

We're waking up at six in the morning and we're doing.

We're going, we're hiking,

we're swimming.

If there's a. If there's a mountain, we're gonna climb it.

That's how I spend my free time.

So those are a couple of other things.

And I only exclusively watch YouTube and only have for the past 10 years.

I don't watch TV.

I don't watch.

Like, there are a few shows that I tune into for.

But I. I love,

like, learning how to do things on YouTube that I'm never gonna do.

Like how to build a table.

I'm like, that's great knowledge to have.

Or how to keep bees.

Also wonderful knowledge to have.

But I will just, like, go down random rabbit

holes on YouTube and learn a bunch of stuff.

And everything else is kind of boring to me.

Like, regular, like, TV shows, movies,

musicals.

Not really, like, my thing.

But,

like,

maybe to no surprise, having parasocial relationships with people on the Internet is

my flavors,

is my flavor of things.

Love it.

I love it so much.

It's so funny because at one point I was gonna

ask you, like, if you were a nurse, nurse coach, what would you be doing?

But I think we should have that be a whole other podcast.

Like, I can't ask her this question because we're gonna be here for five hours.

Yeah, we'll be here forever.

Yeah.

There's a lot of options.

There's a lot of options.

And I also have that.

I have the.

The thought of, like, it can't be that hard,

you know? So like, combine someone who has a lot of

interest with.

They can't.

It can't be that hard.

And then you just have, like,

crazy town.

You just go to crazy town.

Um,

but yeah, that's.

That's like a little slideshow of my life

outside of nursing.

And I love it.

Yeah, it's fun.

I really like my life.

Right.

Full of good food and good people and good YouTube videos.

It's a beautiful thing to think about, too, in the sense of, like, I.

Think of it how I like to.

Curate my spaces in the way of, like, really liking to decorate and really

liking to make it homey and soft, light and cozy.

And that's if we do it right.

That's what we do with our lives.

Like, it's a curated, not from a perfectionist side, but, like, this means a.

Lot to me, and I've worked really.

Hard and I put my effort into this.

And that's you saying all that you're sharing.

Yeah,

I like that.

I like that.

Well, I can't believe I forgot that I, like, want all my friends to live on a commune as

well.

Yes.

That's also a really nother podcast as well.

Yeah, that's also a really big dream of mine.

But, yeah, getting back to, like, curating spaces there, I'm like, yeah, the wings of the

commune, that French mansion that we're gonna buy is the commune.

Lots of different ideas that I have.

Lots of.

Well, I have some friends that have.

Talked about, and I really like this idea, too, of, like, a commune in, like,

the retired life commune.

Of, like, this is, like, the last season of

life commune.

Yeah.

And how, like, how do we bring the younger people in to help, like, maybe work on

the commune all those months? A little bitty, but, like, yeah, that could be

a pretty sweet, like, phase out of, like, now we're all in a commune for.

For a last season.

Yeah, I like that too.

I like that too.

Oh, okay, friend, last one.

Okay.

As we exit, what's something that you hope lands for those listening?

I hope you are able to pick up on how I have cultivated the capability to do

cool things in nurse coaching and also, like, how regular I am as well.

Like, that there's.

Both things are true.

And I think that insane change can.

Or, like, the ability to build.

Build the capacity and the skill to do really impactful things in the world is in the hands

of everybody listening to the podcast.

Like, truly, you have the capability.

You have the ability to learn.

You are smart,

you can do all of these things,

and you don't have to have your **** together.

You can still have a bowl of peanut butter

next to your computer at the same time.

It can be both.

I love it.

I love it.

Thanks for letting me hold this end of the figurative mic since my mic.

Wasn'T working to change it.

Yeah, I had.

This was fun.

This was fun.

And yeah, if you guys ever want deeper dive on anything that we said here, let us know.

I feel like that was a good, like,

tour through my life in the past.

At least 12 months, if not more than that.

But thanks for being here, friend.

I appreciate you.

That was awesome.

Yeah, I appreciate you.

All right, team, you know where to find us.

We'll be here same time, same place, next week.

Bye, everybody.