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Speaker BWelcome to the Consulting for Humans podcast.
Speaker BLike always, you're with Ian and with Mike.
Speaker BAnd in each episode on Consulting for Humans, we we are going to be shining a light on a new topic that gets to the heart of what makes consultants happy and successful.
Speaker AOn the Consulting for Humans podcast, it's our mission to add just a little more humanity to the lives of consultants.
Speaker AAnd we'd love to bring some of the skills and perspectives of consulting to human lives, too.
Speaker BThat's right.
Speaker BSo if you're a consultant who's trying to be more of a human, or even, who knows, a human who's trying to be a little bit more of a consultant, then welcome to the show because we think you're just our kind of people.
Speaker ANow, in the last two episodes, we discussed the skill of delegation in consulting.
Speaker AIn the next three episodes, we're going to talk about solopreneurs, consultants who operate independent consulting businesses.
Speaker AWe'll discuss managing yourself as a solopreneur, managing your work and managing your clients successfully.
Speaker BThat's right.
Speaker BToday we're starting with managing yourself as a solo consultant.
Speaker BI want to say a quick hello to some possible new listeners today.
Speaker BThis week, P31 has been speaking at the business show Miami, and we know some of you might have caught our sessions there.
Speaker BSo if you are part of our awesome audience in Miami, then you're very welcome.
Speaker BHere's what we have for you in today's episode.
Speaker BFirst of all, we're going to talk about some of the reasons why solo consultants struggle and what makes life a challenge.
Speaker BMike, what else are we going to cover?
Speaker AWell, we're going to talk about some of the roles and identities that you need to take up independent working for yourself.
Speaker AThese are some things that we often find people who are struggling a little bit with this or people who are thinking about going into it and wondering what they need may have missed.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BWe're going to get into the decision making priorities, the kind of thinking process, the kind of strategies that the most successful solo consultants find time for those new perspectives.
Speaker AAnd we're going to have a few tips for sharpening the saw, keeping your knowledge and skills current as a solopreneur.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BAnd finally, since we both are examples of a type here, we're going to give you some final thoughts from both of us on what's kept Ian and Mike going in careers as independent consultants.
Speaker BSo, Mike, get us started here.
Speaker BTake us to our first topic.
Speaker AWell, topic one is to sort of start with, let's think about what goes wrong sometimes and this is not necessarily where we suggest you always start, but we do think about looking at the gap between where you are and where you'd like to be.
Speaker AAnd there's good reason for that.
Speaker AI mean, just small businesses in general have a really high failure rate.
Speaker AOnly half of small businesses survive for more than five years.
Speaker AIt's also, to my mind, a great idea about what drives success in independent work and small business.
Speaker AOftentimes the best predictor is how many times you failed before in starting other businesses.
Speaker ASo there's a lot of learning here, but there's also a lot besides learning.
Speaker AThe rise and fall of the economy, the changing level of demands from change climate clients.
Speaker AYou know, these are some of the challenges that successful consultants overcome in order to make it past, especially those first few years, not to fall in those early, early extinction statistics.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BAnd we've been looking into some of the key drivers behind failure in small businesses and therefore potentially failure in small consulting businesses.
Speaker BAnd there are four that stand out to us, that relate to, to this week's topic of managing ourselves.
Speaker BGetting to consistent standards of financial management.
Speaker BIt sounds like it ought to be a hygiene factor, but it's very variable among small service businesses.
Speaker BLooking after cash reserves, taking care of pricing, managing the whole gamut of what you might call fairly boring and mundane, but important business costs.
Speaker BThose kind of finances are surprisingly flaky, to be honest, in folks who are in our line of business.
Speaker BAnd it's not just about looking after the money of ourselves, it's about looking after our health as well.
Speaker BNot everybody goes to the point of burnout, but I think everybody's got to the point of some level of fatigue because we find it hard as really motivated independent consultants to create sustainable work patterns and sustainable boundaries.
Speaker AYeah, and in addition, there's that sense of isolation, especially if you've been used to working in a bigger group setting, in a corporate environment, in something that, that you have to have some sort of professional network for support and referrals.
Speaker ASo that is important.
Speaker AAnd not everybody really is on top of that right away or realizes how important it is.
Speaker AAnd then finally kind of a similar thing, skill stagnation, failing to evolve our services as the market needs change.
Speaker ASometimes we've got a lot more market sensing mechanisms in a larger firm.
Speaker ASometimes larger firms are also walled off from the market.
Speaker ASo there are advantages and disadvantages.
Speaker ACertainly lots of opportunities here.
Speaker BYeah, absolutely.
Speaker BAnd looking at this list here, I'm almost embarrassed by how many of these echo with me.
Speaker BI don't know many independent consultants including myself, who have been completely successful at making sustainable work patterns.
Speaker BI know a few and I know one or two close colleagues who are great at this, but I think it's really hard to do it successfully and consistently.
Speaker BAnd like you say, Mike, isolation has been a big issue, not only in general because of our solar partner working, but since the pandemic.
Speaker BWe've all found it easy, I think, to be in our own bubble a little bit.
Speaker BI remember when the pandemic lifted, I gave myself the task of saying, I'm going to go to a couple of business events, I'm going to go to some societies, I'm just going to get into the city again because I'm a commuter in and out of London.
Speaker BI'm going to get into the city and just be around people.
Speaker BAnd I really needed to make an effort to do something about that.
Speaker BIt's also the kind of thing that brings me to events like business shows.
Speaker BSo here we are.
Speaker AYeah, I can absolutely relate to those remarks.
Speaker AI mean, one of my early jobs was being inserted as the CFO for a big turnaround.
Speaker ASecond largest music retailer in the us.
Speaker AYeah, I'll tell you what, did amazing thing with their finances and their future, while my own absolutely were in freefall because I just didn't have time.
Speaker AIt was the classic case of the cobblers, kids not having shoes.
Speaker ASo I just wasn't paying attention to that.
Speaker AAnd I remember at one point we have all these Faustian bargains in literature.
Speaker AI would have sold my soul for an AI companion that traveled with me around the world on all those crazy trips and all that crazy time.
Speaker AJust somebody to talk to every once in a while.
Speaker BAbsolutely.
Speaker BWell, with then I'm like, you can talk to the AI anytime and may it, may it profit you.
Speaker BThe challenge on financial management was interesting.
Speaker BWhen it came to the top of our list, I kind of thought that's a bit mundane, that's not very thought provoking.
Speaker BBut actually solo consultants inconsistent ability to manage their financial lives is a great example of a wider concern.
Speaker BI think that we need to fill a whole range of roles in our solar businesses.
Speaker BNot only chief financial officer, but we need to be our own hr, our own IT supports our own research and development function.
Speaker BSo let's talk more generally about identity and roles.
Speaker BLet's talk about some of the roles that we have to fulfill and which ones we might miss.
Speaker AIt's so true.
Speaker AI mean, sit back if you're listening right now, if you're in this, think about all the hats that you have to wear.
Speaker AAnd perhaps think about any that are missing here, any that are missing.
Speaker AAnd we're just going to.
Speaker AWe're going to jump not at an exhaustive list, but some things, like besides being the practitioner, you've also got to be the business developer.
Speaker AYou've got to be the administrator, you've got to be your own subject matter expert at times, you've got to be your extra pair of hands.
Speaker AYou need to be a learner, a teacher, a partner, a vendor.
Speaker AYou have.
Speaker AAnd I think we could just keep going on and on down this list.
Speaker AThink of everything that a really successful firm has and the things that add value, add value to the firm, add value to yourself, add value to your clients and think there's some essence of all that that you need to bring to this practice.
Speaker BThat's right.
Speaker BLet's not forget the other roles in our lives, like parent, spouse, partner, friend, colleague.
Speaker BThere's a lot going on there.
Speaker BAnd it's really easy for us, I think, to get our role perception out of balance somehow.
Speaker AI mean, one of those role perceptions are, you know, I can't tell you how many times I was going out the door or into the airport or off to somewhere because I got to go to work.
Speaker AI got to go to work, I got to go to work.
Speaker AWell, when you're your boss, you don't necessarily have to go to work.
Speaker AThere's.
Speaker AThere's got to be a different.
Speaker AWhy then, you know what, somebody's going to be pissed or I'm going to get fired or whatever to get up and go in the morning.
Speaker BAnd I think it's really interesting.
Speaker BLots of people who've worked in big organizations are able to take it for granted that their role is to serve the purpose of the organization.
Speaker BAnd you go into being a solo consultant thinking this is going to help me fulfill my own purpose without a boss.
Speaker BBut actually, you need to reevaluate why are you doing this and what's your kind of.
Speaker BYour wellspring of motivation, the thing that will help you to choose in the morning, and also the thing that will help you to choose to say, do you know what?
Speaker BToday is one for the family.
Speaker BAnd I'm going to take a day stepping back.
Speaker BSo we need, I think, to be aware of that.
Speaker BThere are some different mindsets and some different choices that we make.
Speaker BI hear lots of solo consultants say, oh, I have to do it this way.
Speaker BThings are moving too fast around me.
Speaker BI am too in demand.
Speaker BI don't have a choice.
Speaker BAnd I think that phrase I Don't have a choice is one that I've heard myself using in my head sometimes.
Speaker BAnd we should challenge that.
Speaker AYou know, when you hear yourself saying that too many times, you can be sure that burnout is haunting you somewhere around the periphery.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker AYou know that the whole lack of any kind of intrinsic motivation, the whole thing of this treadmill, treadmill, treadmill.
Speaker AThere are many kinds of burnout, but that's sniffing around one of them for sure.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BAnd I think some of my friends who've given me good advice have challenged me to think what.
Speaker BWhat's really going on, what counts as work and what counts as fun.
Speaker BBecause the mix of it has changed.
Speaker BBeing a solo versus having a.
Speaker BHaving a job with a salary, I think.
Speaker BAnd thinking about identity reminds me that as solo people, as independent consultants, we need to keep thinking about what the rest of the world, what our clients and our colleagues and our business partners see us as.
Speaker BAnd again, your identity as a functional expert sitting in a line job in a big organization is going to be different than your identity and I might even say your personal brand when you're out there in front of customers.
Speaker BMy history in the last 15 years, same as yours, has been mostly doing training and coaching for big corporate organizations.
Speaker BThe last year and a half, two years, I've been part of a team that's been trying to develop our profile with exactly the people that we're talking about here, solo independent businesses.
Speaker BAnd my brand is a little different and my identity is a little different.
Speaker BThe things I talk about and the things I keep coming back to, the themes that come up in my working life have changed, and I think I needed to be aware of that.
Speaker AWell, it's interesting, you know, you're talking about a big change like that, and I think even in the midst of all those, there's also, you know, we've got to have separate systems.
Speaker AWe've got to have different mindsets for the different business functions within our own thing.
Speaker AI mean, when I'm acting as my own procurement, I need to act a little bit differently than when I'm acting as business developer, than when I'm acting as subject matter expert, when I'm acting as the person brought in to kind of clean up my own mess, the person who's humming and extending a relationship on.
Speaker ASo I've got to have that mindset and I've got to have systems that support each of those.
Speaker AOtherwise the switching cost is just way too much.
Speaker BYeah, and it's funny, you're talking about systems we're Talking here about taking a new perspective on yourself and what your role is for.
Speaker BAnd we were talking earlier on about how inconsistent financial management is a big pitfall for solo consultants.
Speaker BI think taking a new perspective on your business and your money and your income and your wealth is a challenge for us.
Speaker BThis we have a tendency, I think, to focus on the short term and think, okay, well, I need to get the groceries for the next quarter and my thinking and decision making is driven by that.
Speaker BBut the really successful independents I know are people who've got a really long term perspective.
Speaker BSuccessful solo consultants, I think find a way, either by themselves or with a coach to step back and take a look at what I'm doing and what it's for and how it's doing what you might call the leading indicators.
Speaker BSo if we're talking about taking stock of money, for example, the people I know who are good at this, I'm just looking at the next few months and paying the groceries.
Speaker BThey're thinking about the long term plan, taking care and making decisions of stuff that's going to affect your happiness and your financial health for next year, not just for next month.
Speaker AYeah, I think that's fabulous.
Speaker AAnd I think it translates.
Speaker AWhen you start looking at running your own business, running your own life, that has to translate.
Speaker AYou've got to have language and boundaries for managing yourself.
Speaker AI remember I used to talk to and you were probably one of them saying, I've got the toughest boss I've ever had in my life now.
Speaker AAnd then I've seen some other solopreneurs who have the easiest boss they ever had in their life now.
Speaker ABut also some people that said, you know, finding ways to develop and language and boundaries for this idea that you're always on, you know, that there's nobody to turn this over to or there's no need to turn this over to because I have a business that's up and running and sustaining.
Speaker AAnd to your point, Ian, it's not tied to that to do list for today or tomorrow that I can't go to bed for.
Speaker AIt's tied to where I'm going to be three years out, five years out, and all the pieces of my life so that I've got my energy, I've got my work, I've got my connections there.
Speaker AI think that's fabulous.
Speaker BAnd I think the people who are good at this find time to reflect.
Speaker BFind time to reflect.
Speaker BMaybe at the end of a piece of work, at the end of a business year, a birthday or a wedding anniversary, think about how the business is doing.
Speaker BThink about the kind of decisions that you're faced with on that long term perspective.
Speaker BDecisions that sometimes have been bugging you for a while.
Speaker BYou know, I think we're all a little bit prone to the challenge of overthinking.
Speaker BAnd I think the people who've really helped me in my business life, the people who say, well, hold on a second, don't just keep thinking about it, make a decision now that you think he's going to either take this off the table or is going to help you do something new to keep your business going in, in the next year.
Speaker BThere's a really good line in one of David Macer's book, I think It's True Professional, where he talks about the difference between what's going to help you with billable hours this year is probably already taken care of.
Speaker BThe decisions that you make with your off the clock time are what's going to feed you next year and the year after.
Speaker BThat's a really good lesson for people in big consulting firms.
Speaker BI think it's a really good lesson for people doing solo work as well.
Speaker BSo giving yourself a bit of a framework for stepping back and taking stock.
Speaker AYeah, I think it's such a great point, Ian.
Speaker AAnd I think this idea of really, you know, like we talked about what makes for a great consultant in our earliest episodes.
Speaker AThis both end.
Speaker ASo this idea of taking stock, the longer view.
Speaker AThere's also the thing that says, okay, I know some people who've been thinking about going independent and have been thinking about it for years and they want to put together the perfect plan and they want to have, they want to figure out like, where is the market, where are the client, what's my target, what's my brand, what's my everything?
Speaker AWell, part of that is you just got to step out.
Speaker AYou know, there's an old story about opening a donut shop.
Speaker AYou can do strategic planning for your donut shop for a year and really try to develop that algorithm of vanilla donuts versus chocolate donuts.
Speaker AOr you could open the shop and probably within a short time you're going to know how many chocolate and how many vanilla you need and you're going to start to learn about seasonal variation and you're going to start to learn about other correlated things.
Speaker ABut it's all stuff that you never would have known for your business at that place at that time until you opened that business.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BSo again, compared to having a big job in a big firm where you've got like market research and research reports going ahead.
Speaker BA lot of what we need to know is kind of in front of us.
Speaker BAnd I think again, people who are good at thinking about the long term, gather round them.
Speaker BYou might call it a personal advisory board, a couple of friends that they call on who are trusted colleagues and mentors.
Speaker BI've got a couple of those and I've learned a lot from them.
Speaker BPartly I've had great encouragement to keep thinking about rates and keep thinking about value.
Speaker BThere's a colleague of mine coached me a few years ago about trebling my daily income and I think it worked really, really great.
Speaker BI can remember the same colleague a few years ago saying to me, do you know what, Ian?
Speaker BYou'll know that your business is mature and that you're ready to progress as an independent consultant if you know the two or three people that you're going to call when you absolutely need some income for a quarter.
Speaker BAnd I haven't ever, I'm going to say hardly, hardly at all, had to come close to calling those people.
Speaker BBut the fact that I had to think about who they were and in what circumstances I might make the call was really, really good long term advice.
Speaker BSo having partners, peers, coaches around you who can be a mentor in some way, I think is especially useful for us in the solo world.
Speaker AWell, I think that's absolutely right, Ian.
Speaker AAnd there are folks that there are some things that we really do have to figure out, or more importantly, we have to make choices about.
Speaker ABecause figuring out what makes solo consulting successful is, is not like discovering an unknown element.
Speaker AThere are lots of ways to make that successful and there are a lot of people who have done a lot of that work for us and that will gladly share a lot of what's around it.
Speaker AThe secret sauce that makes ours more.
Speaker AThat's what we can work on without having to rediscover the other.
Speaker AWhat is it, 70, 80, 90% of this is what you have to have now?
Speaker AWhat are you going to add to it and that, you know, you're talking about that personal advisory board, those trusted colleagues, mentors, coaches, really invaluable, not just professionally, but also personally.
Speaker AI think in going through this back to our isolation and stagnation.
Speaker BExactly.
Speaker BOne of the things you can do is start a business podcast with your best friend and trusted partner.
Speaker BThat works great for me.
Speaker ASharing those war stories, understanding what new resources you found, spotting and talking about bouncing around on things going on in the market makes all the difference in the world.
Speaker AYeah, yeah.
Speaker BSo, Mike, we've talked a bit about Habits for thinking ahead.
Speaker BWe talked about taking care of our, of our longer term business health, if you like.
Speaker BLet's come back to a subject that's a favorite for you and me.
Speaker BWhat Stephen Covey called sharpening the saw.
Speaker BNow, we've talked about Stephen Covey in previous episodes.
Speaker BHe wrote this fabulous book, the 7 Habits of Highly Effective People.
Speaker BAnd this is one of the seven habits.
Speaker BAnd sharpening the saw isn't just about setting time aside for learning and development activities.
Speaker BImportant though that is, I think the sharpening the saw mentality is a bit of a mindset change as well.
Speaker BSo I think it's a great idea.
Speaker BImagine that you had a really effective really switched on boss at the beginning of every business year in a regular large company.
Speaker BYou'd probably get a personal development plan and your line manager would sit down with you and you'd set some learning goals.
Speaker BThe benefit of going through that process and shaping that plan doesn't go away when you're working for yourself.
Speaker BIn fact, you might even say that you're more at risk, right?
Speaker AOh, I think absolutely true, Ian.
Speaker AI think like everything else, we can be so busy that we don't take the time to step back and do this.
Speaker ANobody's holding us accountable for a development plan and except ourselves.
Speaker AAnd that development plan and the process of getting there is going to make us attuned to a lot of things that are going on around us already and within us already that we just haven't given a moment to here.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AAnd without doing those things, I mean there's a real risk that industry developments, that functional knowledge, that all sorts of opportunities around us slip bias opportunities and threats that we're not attuned to if we're really, really busy.
Speaker AAnd sometimes it's peaks and valleys.
Speaker AAnd anybody that's been in consulting for long enough knows the peaks and valleys.
Speaker AIt can be even more amplitude in those peaks and valleys in a solo career.
Speaker BAbsolutely.
Speaker BAnd when it works well, I think you find that you're connected to particular categories of customers, particular parts of certain industries and it becomes an easy thing to stay in touch with.
Speaker BIt's surprisingly easy for that to drift.
Speaker BAnd I found out a few Tim's in my career, I've had to go back to the pieces of technical knowledge that I know are going to be important to me from an industry perspective, from a practice perspective, and make sure that I'm up to date.
Speaker BLearning and sharpening our soil, I think sometimes requires us to step a little bit outside of what's familiar.
Speaker ARight Exactly.
Speaker AExactly.
Speaker ATwo things run through my mind here.
Speaker AOne is this idea of one of the greatest values of consultants are that you see many different variations on whatever theme it is that you work around.
Speaker AYour firm saw a lot of those and you picked up a lot of that, hopefully when you were working in a bigger firm.
Speaker AYou've now got that responsibility now, but you have that ability to turn it into an interconnected, vital part of your business of being in touch, of talking, of learning, of.
Speaker AIt's so much easier to do an informational interview, if you will, to be networking, to be doing the kinds of things that will take care of a lot of your business development as a learning opportunity, and to be sure that you are consciously seeking and taking on and doing the work that keeps you just a little bit out of your comfort zone, because that's where the learning occurs.
Speaker AI'm thinking about myself, too.
Speaker AI think we've got to go from how interesting, how exciting is our new approach to that.
Speaker AOr as Phil Stultz, as told by Brian Johnson, would say, bring it on.
Speaker ABring it on.
Speaker AOh, it's a little different.
Speaker AIt's a little outside of what I usually do.
Speaker ALet's make sure I'm getting a steady diet of that in what I do, and let me take that back to other places, too.
Speaker AI got to find a new way of managing my interaction with home and family and friends in this new career.
Speaker ABring it on.
Speaker ABring it on.
Speaker AThis is where I get energized.
Speaker AThis is where I learn.
Speaker AThis is where my success lies in my evolution to being the self that I want to be.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BSo bring it on.
Speaker BWe're going to be encouraging ourselves to get exposed to new experiences and I think getting exposed to ideas from other people as well.
Speaker BAnd just to wrap up there, sharpening the sore topic, I think people who've been good at this have been good at picking up ideas from a community of colleagues.
Speaker BThey've been good at getting some coaching from their peers, good at getting ideas from people that they're connected to in their network.
Speaker BI'm seeing that a lot this week as well.
Speaker BI've been at the business show and I'm seeing loads of people exchanging ideas and really pushing themselves a little bit, pushing themselves a little outside their comfort zone.
Speaker BAnd it's super inspiring.
Speaker BMike, we've talked a bit about that, habits that drive success in solar consulting firms.
Speaker BWe've talked about the pitfalls, we've talked about some of the things we can do to step back and get some fresh perspectives.
Speaker BYou and I have been in this industry for a while.
Speaker BLet's take a moment to think about what our final thoughts are.
Speaker BWhat are our takeaways and our top tips for our listeners this episode?
Speaker BSo I've been thinking about this, Mike.
Speaker BWhat's something that I would pass on to somebody else who's in the solo independent consultant world maybe for the first time?
Speaker BAnd I'm going to say the decision to take the plunge to say I'm going to be independent, I'm going to be self employed.
Speaker BOr if you like, the decision to renew the plunge to take a fresh start at a solo career that you've already had a swing at.
Speaker BI think like you said earlier on, it's really easy to overthink market size.
Speaker BIt's really easy to overthink differentiation.
Speaker BIt's even easy to overthink strategy and be as detailed and as completeist as you would have been in a corporate job.
Speaker BI think making the decision to go independent and to sustain it means thinking honestly about what your skills are and what your motivation is.
Speaker BThink honestly about who are the people out there who have problems and budget who are going to call you as well.
Speaker BBut that's a topic for another day.
Speaker BAnd being honest with yourself about the skills that you have, being good at doing one thing, and that one thing only doesn't mean that you should go into business doing that on your own.
Speaker BI've seen plenty of people who would easily qualify as experts in a particular field, in a particular domain and get lauded and appreciated and respected for the expertise sitting in a big company.
Speaker BAnd they have not necessarily been happy and successful in the world of consulting and in the world of independent work.
Speaker BIf you end up making your work or your expertise the only thing or even just the main thing, then actually it's very hard for the rest of your professional life and for the rest of your personal life to fall into place.
Speaker BSo taking a plunge, I think get a little bit real about the balance of things that you have to offer and about the balance of things that you're going to need.
Speaker AYeah, it's so true that taking the plunge.
Speaker AIt's funny because I've seen some folks hesitate so long who absolutely should be in and other folks who have jumped in without.
Speaker AI think what I'll come back as a takeaway, the self knowledge here, this self knowledge.
Speaker AIt's ancient wisdom to say know thyself, right?
Speaker ABut know all sorts of things that are going to impinge upon how this works out for you.
Speaker AHow do you use your time?
Speaker AWhat's Your motivation, where's your energy levels, not just how much do you have, but where, where is it during the day, where does it come from, what sustains it?
Speaker AAnd really start to get in touch with where you are, what you see as the best version of yourself and where you want to be there.
Speaker AI think ultimately all business comes down to creating and exchanging value.
Speaker AAnd so that exchange is the key part of it.
Speaker AIt's that value for yourself, the value for the others in your lives, including your clients and potential clients.
Speaker AWhat is it that is you do that other people will find valuable and in doing it, what will continue to drive value for you and for the people most important in your life?
Speaker AAnd this is not a once and done thing.
Speaker AThis is a constant growth of seeing where's the line, where's the line of where I want to be, where I'm, you know, where I see myself being and this isn't.
Speaker AWe'll talk another day about motivation, external and intrinsic and everything else that they, that this is what's driving you.
Speaker AAnd use a friend, use a coach, use somebody who will keep you a little bit accountable, keep you thinking about this, help you listen to your own answers here.
Speaker AAnd whenever you get the opportunity, spend some time with somebody who has a new perspective or a fresh set of skills, just seize those opportunities.
Speaker AThey don't necessarily come along very often and I would say that when we're not looking for them, they don't come along hardly at all or we miss them.
Speaker AWe see them as a setback or a challenge rather than this opportunity that the universe is bringing to us.
Speaker BGreat point.
Speaker BSo we should get a bit of honesty behind our decision to take the plunge.
Speaker BWe should get a bit of self knowledge.
Speaker BI think that's really important.
Speaker BIt probably goes without saying, but I will say look after yourself.
Speaker BYeah, it's.
Speaker BThere's so much more resources and attention paid today to wellness and mental well being and good habits and self development.
Speaker BThere's so much more of that these days than there was 20 years ago.
Speaker BBut just because it's out there and because there are videos on YouTube and there are self help books in the airport, that's not going to help you unless you actually engage with it.
Speaker BAnd I think look around and notice the people who've got good habits that are helping to keep their body and their mind and their spirit and their bank account healthy and read some of them and try some of them and stay in touch.
Speaker BBecause the people who I've seen disregard this have a really tough time.
Speaker BI think that when a challenge comes along, when their resilience is tested, the people who've made it past that five year mark as successful independent consultants are the ones who found a way, in their own terms and in their own time to take care of themselves.
Speaker BAnd that includes taking care of the family.
Speaker BThat includes taking care of the friends and the folks around you as well.
Speaker AI think all of it, Ian, we keep kind of coming back to learning actively, you know, continuing to think about what's the next new skill need to be, what do I already have that I need to be employing?
Speaker AHow am I leveraging strengths?
Speaker AHow am I being aware and compensating, filling in for weaknesses, learning from new people and other people who are excellent practitioners of skills that you appreciate?
Speaker AI remember public speaking.
Speaker AThat was going to be something that I really wanted to progress on.
Speaker AAnd I was amazed, once I was attuned to that, how many phenomenal models came into my life or were already in my life, that I could get an advanced degree just modeling and learning from.
Speaker AMarshall Goldsmith is an executive coach to top executives around the world, wrote a book called what Got yout Here Won't get yout There.
Speaker AAnd I think for all of us, especially people moving or in the midst of a solopreneur adventure, need to continue to remember that what got us here won't get us there on the next step.
Speaker AAnd by the way, hey, circle back to Marshall Goldsmith when you have a moment.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BIf you haven't found Marshall Goldsmith, check him out.
Speaker BWe'll put a link in the show notes for some Marshall Goldsmith resources.
Speaker BI absolutely love it.
Speaker BBut Mike, that's a message about looking ahead, looking ahead to what's next and being a little skeptical of what came before.
Speaker BLet's do the same for the podcast.
Speaker BI think we've had a really good discussion today about how we look after ourselves, how we pay attention to their identity and the well being of the person who's our biggest consulting asset.
Speaker BWe need to look to the other important stakeholder constituency, and that's our clients.
Speaker BSo two weeks from today, in the next episode of the Consulting for Humans podcast, we're going to be talking about managing clients, especially from the point of view of solo consultants and independents.
Speaker BMike, I think it's a thorny subject, but there are some really good learnings that we can all grab from that.
Speaker BBut what do you say that we reconvene next time on the Consulting for Humans podcast?
Speaker AOh, I would like that.
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