Stop trying to force yourself to revisit the most painful moments of
Speaker:your life before you have the skills and the capacity to handle 'em.
Speaker:At least that's that's what I think.
Speaker:You can do what you want, but that's my recommendation.
Speaker:I think true transformation happens when we prioritize stability over
Speaker:the agonizing search for why.
Speaker:In this episode, we're gonna explore how building a balanced
Speaker:internal foundation is the essential missing prerequisite- prerequisite
Speaker:for lasting emotional freedom.
Speaker:I'm Justin Sunseri.
Speaker:Hi, and I've been a therapist for about 17 years now.
Speaker:Welcome to Stuck Not Broken.
Speaker:People come to me for therapy because they need something different.
Speaker:Um, same thing with coaching clients and, uh, students inside
Speaker:of the Unstucking Academy.
Speaker:They are, of course, rightfully burnt out by years and years of talk therapy
Speaker:that focuses on digging up past memories and attempting to process them through,
Speaker:replaying them in their mind, sitting with all the agonizing pain of it all,
Speaker:or repeatedly telling the story over and over again, whether their eyes are
Speaker:moving back and forth or not, or the therapist is holding a wand or not.
Speaker:Um, I can see why they're burning out.
Speaker:This is too much, but it's not uncommon in therapy in 2026.
Speaker:For many people simply going to therapy and talking with a caring
Speaker:other is enough, and just having that is enough to help them move out of
Speaker:whatever stuckness that they're in.
Speaker:They don't need to go into the details of the past.
Speaker:They just need someone to listen, maybe hold them accountable and to come up
Speaker:with and do some homework together.
Speaker:You know, fairly simple and the risk of dysregulation is very low.
Speaker:Some people do indeed need to or want to confront their past
Speaker:details and they're ready to.
Speaker:They share the details with a caring therapist, they cry out maybe and
Speaker:they kind of move on with life.
Speaker:Again, the risk of dysregulation is fairly low.
Speaker:This person can handle it.
Speaker:For others though, confronting the past is, is not what they need.
Speaker:Focusing on the pains of the past does not bring a cathartic cry.
Speaker:It might bring panic rage or, or numb them to the experience of the present moment.
Speaker:So yeah, it might look like they're telling their trauma
Speaker:story and confronting their pains, but really they've checked out.
Speaker:They're not quite in the room anymore.
Speaker:Like they are, but emotionally, they're not.
Speaker:These are very different therapy clients.
Speaker:The people who need to talk it out and are ready to, and those who are
Speaker:probably worse off if they start talking about the past before they're ready to.
Speaker:" Well, Justin, they're just weak and they need to deal with it."
Speaker:So this is your response.
Speaker:I humbly suggest that you are in no position to gauge
Speaker:someone else's self-development.
Speaker:But thank you so much anyways.
Speaker:Also though, um.
Speaker:Would you expect someone who does not go to the gym daily to lift 500 pounds?
Speaker:Of course not.
Speaker:So telling that person to deal with it would subject them to
Speaker:potentially very bad results, right?
Speaker:That's pretty obvious.
Speaker:Well, the same applies to emotional regulation.
Speaker:Emotions are not just chemicals in the brain or free floating experiences
Speaker:that somehow live within us.
Speaker:They are directly connected to the state of our body.
Speaker:Our body's state can change over time and allow more emotional ,capacity
Speaker:just like muscles can grow over time and allow one to lift heavier things.
Speaker:So it would make no sense to ask a non bodybuilder to lift 500 pounds, just like
Speaker:it would make no sense to ask someone who avoids their emotions to now pay
Speaker:attention to the most difficult ones.
Speaker:That would be flooding.
Speaker:And obviously sounds like a bad idea, right?
Speaker:Their body does not have the capacity for it.
Speaker:Well, for now.
Speaker:For now at least.
Speaker:So when they go into a therapy session and tell the most horrific instances of
Speaker:their life, they are being flooded, even if they are moving their eyes back and
Speaker:forth, even if they are telling their story over and over again to desensitize
Speaker:themselves to it, even if they're sitting with their typical compulsion and
Speaker:withholding on the impulse to perform it.
Speaker:I have heard from so many clients that these techniques simply
Speaker:made things worse for them.
Speaker:For all clients?
Speaker:Of course not.
Speaker:I'll remind you, I am specifically talking about those who do not have
Speaker:the capacity to confront the most difficult pieces of their life.
Speaker:When those with little distress tolerance confront their pains,
Speaker:they end up retraumatized.
Speaker:They end up solidifying their deepest shames and guilts and panics and rages
Speaker:and are overwhelmed even further.
Speaker:So getting unstuck from all this is not gonna happen through a historical
Speaker:investigation of the past, and definitely not from flooding the
Speaker:system with the details of the past.
Speaker:And not by rehashing what happened this past week with no purpose
Speaker:week after week after week.
Speaker:We need to do something different.
Speaker:We need a physiological shift in the present, the present moment.
Speaker:We need to build capacity and gradually confront difficult topics- difficult
Speaker:topics- if and when that person is ready.
Speaker:" No, seriously Justin.
Speaker:They, they just need to get over it," you might be saying. Or maybe
Speaker:you're saying about yourself, to yourself, " I need to just get over
Speaker:it." If it was that easy, sure.
Speaker:If it was that easy, you wouldn't be listening to this and
Speaker:searching for ways to get unstuck.
Speaker:It's not simply a choice, which I am, uh, sure you're aware of.
Speaker:This comes down to how our nervous system fundamentally operates.
Speaker:Survival always trumps logic and even willpower.
Speaker:Your nervous system is not a rational debating club or something that
Speaker:you can just choose to overcome.
Speaker:It's a biological mechanism that's been honed over millions of years of evolution.
Speaker:It is been around well before us humans, and it's operated within every
Speaker:species well before our consciousness.
Speaker:It's biological.
Speaker:It operates largely outside of our awareness and is
Speaker:outside of our direct control.
Speaker:If it's in a dysregulated state, it's not because you've chosen it.
Speaker:It's probably a normal, unexpected result of your life context.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Uh, maybe even for a very, very long time.
Speaker:That is possible, or it's been a long time.
Speaker:When you're dealing with a system that's been chronically dysregulated, it doesn't
Speaker:care about your therapy goals or your intellectual desire to process something
Speaker:or confront or sit with; it cares about one thing, which is keeping you alive.
Speaker:To come out of this chronic survival state, the body needs more ventral, vagal,
Speaker:parasympathetic activation- you don't have to worry about the words, but that's the
Speaker:biology that supports your capacity to think critically, to be in stillness, to
Speaker:play with others, and to connect socially.
Speaker:It's kind of important.
Speaker:For those who do not benefit from processing the past- they likely have a
Speaker:low level of this safety state present.
Speaker:Maybe they have, uh, way too much flight fight, or are collapsed and
Speaker:shut down or exist in a panicky freeze.
Speaker:Regardless, they are always in a defensive state or easily triggered
Speaker:into one by specific contextual cues that evoke painful past moments
Speaker:that are relived in the body.
Speaker:So when they attempt to heal by confronting their painful past, their body
Speaker:is not in a regulated state to contain and process what is going to come up.
Speaker:Trying to excavate deep traumatic memories when your system is already
Speaker:overwhelmed is like trying to repair a car's engine while while driving
Speaker:at top speed through a storm.
Speaker:It's not just inefficient, it's dangerous and kind of dumb.
Speaker:So let's be crystal clear here.
Speaker:Establishing a baseline of physical and environmental and interpersonal
Speaker:safety is non-negotiable.
Speaker:It is the first step we have to have.
Speaker:It's not optional.
Speaker:We have to have literal safety.
Speaker:This isn't just nice to have.
Speaker:It's fundamental.
Speaker:We need safe people and safe environments.
Speaker:Attempting to do any kind of self-development without these pieces
Speaker:is probably not gonna go very well.
Speaker:So at least safe enough.
Speaker:We don't need perfection, but safe enough.
Speaker:Okay, so fine, you're on board.
Speaker:What do we do about all this?
Speaker:Um, I recommend doing less asking, "What happened to me back then?" And
Speaker:more asking, "How does my body feel right now?" More connection to the
Speaker:present moment in very simple ways.
Speaker:Actually, at the very end of this episode, I'll give you a, a
Speaker:super simple mindfulness prompt if you're up for it, just to help
Speaker:connect to the present moment.
Speaker:Questions like, how does my body feel right now?
Speaker:How am I breathing?
Speaker:What do I hear around me?
Speaker:What's my skin touching?
Speaker:These present moment questions help us focus on the here and now.
Speaker:Once we're in the here and now, then we can address
Speaker:discomfort if, if one wants to.
Speaker:As an example, I did a session just today or as of recording this,
Speaker:just just yesterday, with someone who typically has lots and lots
Speaker:of anxiety and hypervigilance.
Speaker:It's our second session and they came in with a five, outta 10
Speaker:on their like, anxiety scale.
Speaker:I did a very simple present moment thing with them, um, just like I'll do with
Speaker:you at the, at the end of this episode.
Speaker:I asked about their breath and what they hear, and again, they,
Speaker:again, I'm sorry, very simple.
Speaker:They dropped from a five to a three just from very simple mindfulness
Speaker:stuff that three felt like calm to them with some fidgetiness.
Speaker:They were leaning forward with their hands clasped.
Speaker:But since they were now in a regulated state, I asked them if
Speaker:they were up for a little exercise to challenge their safety state.
Speaker:And they said, yeah, sure.
Speaker:They were up for whatever.
Speaker:Um, if I asked this question when they were at a seven, outta 10 in
Speaker:anxiety, it would probably be a no.
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:So we venture into potential discomfort from a regulated
Speaker:state, like a three out of 10.
Speaker:So I said, um, something that I knew would trigger a little anxiety.
Speaker:It was someone's name that was relevant to them.
Speaker:And I was right.
Speaker:It did, it, um, brought them to a six outta 10 anxiety.
Speaker:So we permitted the six outta 10 to be there without rejecting it.
Speaker:We just paid attention to it and then shifted our focus to
Speaker:breath and the external sounds.
Speaker:And soon the client said they were back down to a three again.
Speaker:We did this process, this really simple process with the same trigger
Speaker:from me, uh, a couple more times.
Speaker:And each time the trigger went down a little from six to five to
Speaker:four, to eventually not at all.
Speaker:They just weren't even triggered by the same thing.
Speaker:So then I switched and gave the client another name that I knew would trigger
Speaker:them with their permission, and it again brought them quickly to a six outta 10.
Speaker:But by now, their body already knew how to recover.
Speaker:I didn't ask the client to tell me about these people or to share past incidents.
Speaker:In fact, when they started to tell me, I said, of course they can, but let's
Speaker:also focus on the way that their body is breathing and the sounds around them.
Speaker:At that point, they didn't need to narratively process.
Speaker:They could leave the cognitive processing and focus on the somatic.
Speaker:On the body.
Speaker:That that six outta 10.
Speaker:In fact, they were even able to identify where that six outta 10 showed up in
Speaker:their body, which was in their calves, and they identified which calf and they
Speaker:identified what their leg wanted to do in response to the slight triggers.
Speaker:They wanted to get up and leave, which makes.
Speaker:Did they want to get up and leave because I'm a jerk and I kept triggering them?
Speaker:No, I, that's the narrative maybe of, of, uh, what they were going through,
Speaker:um, or a, a potential narrative.
Speaker:And I hope that's not the case.
Speaker:But no, really their, their body is responding to the trigger, which
Speaker:is more of like flight activation.
Speaker:When you have anxiety, uh, that's more flight activation.
Speaker:All of this happens in the present moment, noticing the intensity of the anxiety.
Speaker:Um, noticing the tension in the calves and the impulse to get up.
Speaker:Noticing the breath and the sounds around us.
Speaker:It's all very present moment.
Speaker:Prioritizing the present is not dismissing or rejecting or stuffing down the past.
Speaker:This isn't avoidance.
Speaker:Prioritizing the present is building capacity at a biological
Speaker:level, just like putting the reps in at the gym builds muscle.
Speaker:We can use this new foundation to actually process more difficult
Speaker:things later on in, in therapy.
Speaker:If, if you, if you know a client wants to.
Speaker:And we won't need to move our eyes back and forth or use a wand or sit with it
Speaker:or tell the story over or whatever else.
Speaker:We simply exist in the present moment and whatever it brings.
Speaker:This sounds different because it is different.
Speaker:That's what people keep telling me, at least.
Speaker:The old models of therapy.
Speaker:And, and self-help too, focused on uncovering the subconscious or
Speaker:training behavior or changing your thinking or sitting through reliving
Speaker:the most painful moments of your life.
Speaker:Um, I don't think any of this cuts it anymore.
Speaker:At least for those who are in the most desperate need of change.
Speaker:Some people are ready for that and can handle it, that's fine, but
Speaker:that's not who I'm talking about.
Speaker:The new model, I hope you will consider, is to strengthen nervous system
Speaker:capacity through gradually connecting with discomfort when regulated.
Speaker:If you can do this, then you can pay attention to your subconscious or
Speaker:process the past or change behavior or think differently or whatever.
Speaker:And all that will become way easier because you're regulated now,
Speaker:and the more regulated you are, the easier those things become.
Speaker:This is possible not, not through force.
Speaker:That's not the way it works.
Speaker:Not through flooding, but through patient consistent micro regulation practices,
Speaker:connecting you to the present and in understanding that the way you are
Speaker:makes sense in the context of your life.
Speaker:This is how we get unstuck this process.
Speaker:Not by digging up the past, but by building a present
Speaker:capable of holding anything.
Speaker:And the past, if you want to, that's fine, you can process that.
Speaker:If you're interested in building your own nervous system capacity,
Speaker:it might not be too late to join me in the next live practice.
Speaker:It's called Nervous System Capacity Builder.
Speaker:It's live and you can show up however and wherever suits you.
Speaker:No pressure to be a certain way or have your camera on or anything.
Speaker:I'll lead you through a sequence of skills designed to strengthen your capacity.
Speaker:It's like putting in the emotional reps, but without the overwhelm.
Speaker:You can learn more about it in the link in the description.
Speaker:Thank you so much for joining me on Stuck Not Broken, and thanks for
Speaker:hanging out for another moment more, and because I wanna wrap this up with
Speaker:you if you'll have it, um, by pausing here and just noticing our breath.
Speaker:Just real quick.
Speaker:Don't control it.
Speaker:How is your body naturally breathing already?
Speaker:If it changes on its own because you've paid attention, that's
Speaker:fine, but don't control it.
Speaker:Just notice it.
Speaker:And as you do that, as you notice, maybe the next breath that comes in,
Speaker:is it into your chest or your belly?
Speaker:Is it more full or more shallow?
Speaker:On the next one
Speaker:and on the next one.
Speaker:Is it more tense or relaxed?
Speaker:And on the next natural breath, notice what you hear around you besides my voice.
Speaker:Maybe in your space or outside of your space.
Speaker:What else do you hear?
Speaker:And I'll just sit here for a few more breaths with you so that you can
Speaker:just focus on your natural breathing.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:Great job.
Speaker:You can do this more than once today, right?
Speaker:Bye
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