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Tom

In this episode, Easter traditions in Georgia. We talk about everything from Lent through to Easter Sunday and Easter Monday. There's going to be some feasting, there's going to be some visits to cemeteries, and of course, there's going to be cake. Okay, hello everybody. It's Tom from the Tivolisi Podcast. Back again for another episode about Georgia. And today I am talking to Baya from redfordoradiary.com she's here in the studio with me to talk about Easter traditions. But I think before we jump into the topic, Bia, welcome. Tell us a little bit about yourself and let the listeners know what they should know.

Baia

Hi Tom, thanks for having me here. So I'm a travel blogger and writer from Tbilisi, Georgia. I was born here, raised here, and spent most of my time living here, except for the four years that I did my bachelor's in Prague, Czech Republic.

Tom

All right.

Baia

I started writing in 2017 and it has been almost six years now that I do my blog and also write for other publications. And I'm mostly famous for my Georgia content, even though I write for other countries and about other countries where I travel to.

Tom

Being Georgian, I guess, helps, helps you.

Baia

Create good Georgia content because I have the benefit of providing more local insight than other travel bloggers who travel here or stay here for an extended time of.

Tom

Yeah, nice. So I mean, of course we're talking about Easter traditions today, and this means that you will have done Easter here many, many more times than me and much more authentically than I have. So I'm really excited to find out some more about exactly what you'd be doing at Easter and maybe what other Georgians do and if there's any variations across the country or any other. So let's start. Will, let's start with you. What do you think we should talk about first? What's the most interesting thing to do with Easter?

Baia

I think the first thing we should talk about, like an introduction and say that Easter in Georgia is a bit different from the Western Easter traditions and calendar wise as well, because Georgia is an Orthodox country and we follow Julian calendar, which means that some of the dates fall into a different time period than in Europe, for example, or in the West. So this means that every year Easter changes and basically it's a week and a half or two weeks after the Western Easter. It's a family tradition. It's mostly most important religious celebration in the whole country. So everyone gets together, celebrates the resurrection of the Christ and rebirth and life itself and also respect that by going to the cemeteries. There are not that many traditions, like, compared, if we compare it to like Christmas and New Year traditions. But there are some that are very specific for the Easter and for those four days that we celebrate Easter.

Tom

So do you have an idea of the sort of the schedule? Is it a schedule? Is it like on the Friday you do one sort of activity, on the Saturday you do other things?

Baia

Yes, we do have a schedule and we do have like a timeframe. What you do before Easter, for example, the Easter usually starts the prior to easter is like 40 day lent. So those who are religious, they feast and they don't eat any animal products. No meat, no dairy, no nothing. No fish even.

Tom

And you see this, like in menus here when I first came to Georgia, as like fasting menu.

Baia

Yeah.

Tom

And then of course you're like, oh, okay, Lent.

Baia

It makes sense now because there are other days, like beyond the religious, like fasting days. There are like couple of days, usually like Wednesday and Friday, that people also fast just normally every week.

Tom

Oh, wow. Like don't eat anything at all?

Baia

No, they don't eat anything. Animal products. Okay.

Tom

Yeah. So just the regular sort of things that are not supposed to be eaten. So yeah, you're gonna be eating mushrooms and.

Baia

Yes, vegetables.

Tom

But you do eat cheese. Is that considered an animal product?

Baia

No, you can't do that either.

Tom

No. Okay.

Baia

So no khachapuris.

Tom

That's very sad. On Fridays, no khachapuri and no khinkali, unless that's the potato one.

Baia

Not everyone does it. But some people who are very religious and follow the rules. They do. But obviously it's not the whole country doing it.

Tom

So it does mean that for tourists who are coming here who are vegetarian, there's almost always this fasting menu in restaurants that's always going to be vegetarian food. So it's very easy to select dishes.

Baia

That's quite handy because we have a special even word for it. Like samarkva means like fasting. So there are no animal products even. You can find chocolates and ice creams and what. So it's not that hard to survive, which in my opinion is a bit absurd because if you're fasting and you're taking like you are saying no to some certain things to clean your body and to clean your soul, you can say no to those things. But that's My opinion. Sure.

Tom

All right. So, yeah, okay. So that's the first part before Easter is Lent, which, of course, is similar to what we'd have in Western Christianity, but maybe the fasting is slightly differently done or.

Baia

Yeah, I'm not a very religious person. I've never fasted in my life, so I'm.

Tom

Well, you get pretty hungry and, you know, I struggle with it.

Baia

Yeah, I guess so. But, I mean, I've seen people and my family members have done it, but that's not something that I stand for, so I've never done it.

Tom

Fair enough. You know, food first. I do agree with that.

Baia

Being hungry makes me angry. I get headaches and I'm just grumpy. So.

Tom

Yep. No, fair enough. It's hard to concentrate. If I don't eat enough protein in a day, I find it hard to concentrate. So, yeah, I can agree with you on that for sure.

Baia

So if you're not fasting, then you shouldn't worry about it. But then at least, like two, three weeks before we usually start growing a grass on the plate. This kind of resembles and symbolizes a new life Jesus Christ gave us with his resurrection. So what we do usually is that we get a handful of wheat seeds. We take cotton pads and wet it in the water, put them on the plate, and sprinkle those wheat seeds on it and let it sit on the window counter to get a daylight and let the grass grow. So it takes, like, depends on the wheat seeds, but it takes around, like, from anywhere from one week to three weeks. So you get to time it right. And also, like, not start it too late or not start too early so that the grass is greener and looks fresher. You need to balance it out, the timing.

Tom

And so you're waiting on. Then it gets to the actual Easter weekend and this grass will have grown. And that's.

Baia

Yeah. And that's basically a part of decoration at the table because we put the red eggs around it and it just a beautiful decoration at the radish or red X. Red eggs.

Tom

Red eggs as in chicken eggs. But red ones.

Baia

Red ones. We don't color them in different colors. We color them in red. That's also another tradition of the Orthodox, because for us, it kind of symbolizes the blood during the crucification of the Christ. So we color them in red instead of all the different colors. Blues or yellows.

Tom

Yeah. So just red.

Baia

It should be like bloody red. Like, the strongest red you get is the better. So it's always a hit or miss. Depends on what kind of Solutions you use for the red candy, red egg.

Tom

So in western culture, we have chocolate eggs at EAs. These are actual chicken eggs. Like real eggs but painted red?

Baia

Yes.

Tom

Do you have chocolate as well or no, you don't really do it.

Baia

We have like usual chocolate bars, but not chocolate eggs. Easter bunny is not a thing here. Easter hunting for the eggs is not a thing here. But we do have other fun thing. I'll tell later.

Tom

Yeah, sure.

Baia

All right.

Tom

Yeah. Tease us with something else for later on. For sure. Sounds good.

Baia

One week before Easter Sunday, we also celebrate Bzoba or Palm Sunday, A movable date like Easter, because it needs to be right one week before the Easter Sunday. It also makes the first day of the holy week. Vza is a Georgian word for a box shrub. And on this day, one family member goes to a church and brings a blessed box branches back home. This custom dates back to when people greeted Christ when he entered Jerusalem by scattering palm trees branches in front of him. And over the time, procuring those palm branches in different climate countries got complicated. So that's why we use bugs here, because it's easier to cultivate and harvest them.

Tom

Yeah, that makes sense. There's not a lot of palm trees going on in northern Georgia.

Baia

No.

Tom

So just potumi at a stretch. That's about it. Yeah.

Baia

And a few one that I saw on the way here, people have started.

Tom

To plant them here, but it's not really the right climate for it.

Baia

So it's not weird. Yeah, no, definitely not.

Tom

No. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Well, substitutions makes sense.

Baia

Yeah. So now we've come up to the actual, like, Easter days, basically. So the Friday is the most important day for us in terms of the Easter celebrations. You call it Good Friday, but we call it Red Friday. And this is the day when we color the chicken eggs red color. So the way we do it is we don't use any chemical dyes. We basically use onion, pe and mudderroots. Or it's one or the other or a combination of both. And every family has their own technique and tradition of doing it in their own houses. The only rule is to do it before sunset. So the Friday is a busy day doing the colorings.

Tom

So it's like the whole family, kids, everybody join in with this?

Baia

Not really. Not really. It's not a fun activity. For example, my family, it's usually my mom who does the red colors. Before her, it was my grandma, just because it's not a, like, generation thing, but she just got the most bloody red color X in the End. So it was the prettiest. And she's good at it. Yeah, she was good at it.

Tom

All right.

Baia

But now my mom does it and she always gets a mixture of different colors because she can't find the technique her mom used to make. And my mom usually gets all the ingred on Thursday. She soaks the red onion pills and the mother roots. And there is also like, one thing that I want to point out is that you'll see in the markets the already crushed mother roots or the powder of the mother root, but we typically don't use it because it's not that great color and it could be like a fake one. So we usually get the actual roots and crush it ourselves. And then she leaves it overnight in a water soaking so that the colors come out. And then she boils them on Friday, the water without eggs. And then once it boils, then she lets it sit to cool down. And once the water is already cooled down and cold, basically she puts the eggs and then she reduced the whole boiling with the eggs.

Tom

Okay, yeah. And it just stains the shells?

Baia

Yeah, it stains the shells. And if it cracks the shell, sometimes you get this like marbly boiled egg whites as well.

Tom

All right, cool.

Baia

So and then what we do is we don't eat the eggs straight away. We wait for the Sunday because that's when we do all the dinners and things with the egg, basically.

Tom

Okay, yep. So this is on Friday, the cooking of the eggs is happening.

Baia

Yes, yes, yes. Red Friday.

Tom

Red Friday, yeah. Okay, got it.

Baia

Yeah.

Tom

And is there anything else that's going on on Friday?

Baia

Not really. Not really. And it's just usual house chores, cleaning, dinner, nothing else. And it's a public holiday from Friday all the way to Monday. We have a public holiday.

Tom

Yeah.

Baia

So everything is like every governmental institution or any private business is closed. Banks are closed. Maybe some of them might have a different working schedule, but usually it's closed as it is a public holiday. Shops and transport are open, but depends on the days. And also they might have a change schedule as well. And this also means that during that time a lot of people who live and have relatives in the regions, they leave the city. So the city is a bit of a deserted and it's very empty and very quiet. It's one of the perfect times to be in Tbilisi, actually.

Tom

A lot less traffic.

Baia

Yeah, a lot less traffic. Very quiet. It's an ideal time. And also before the Friday or a couple of days earlier and sometimes even a week earlier, you probably notice Easter cakes in the shops. Yes, it's when the Easter cake madness started. Georgina.

Tom

Madness. Everyone just gets into it.

Baia

Everyone just gets into it. And my Facebook news feed is usually filled up with questions like who has the best Easter cake to buy and where to buy the best Easter cake and where to get the Easter cake. We have a different kind of Easter cake than probably the Western world does. It's usually like more Eastern European and Slavic Pascal that we call. It's a round shape, but as a tall. And it's not a shortcake or a buttercake.

Tom

Like a top hat.

Baia

Yes. Tall cylindrical rim, basically.

Tom

All right.

Baia

And it's usually sprinkled with sugar powder or sometimes like an egg white glazing. Sometimes they do like chocolate. And everyone does different glazings, but inside it typically is raisins, but. But some of them also do dry fruits. There's also a possibility of having cottage cheese pasta as well. It's different.

Tom

Yeah.

Baia

We at home bake it, and my mom has several recipes with yeast, without yeast, with the cottage cheese, with dry fruits and all sorts. So every year we're trying to do something different, and sometimes every year we try to keep the tradition of having one or the other or both. Depends on what we feel like that year.

Tom

Does your mum make the best Easter cake, or is that a controversial statement?

Baia

It depends. Like, for example, I don't like the raisin ones, so she makes one for me without the raisins, but I think she makes one of the best cottage cheese one.

Tom

Nice. All right. So, you know, when do I get an invite to come and eat cake with you guys? Sounds interesting. All right.

Baia

Yeah, yeah. Last year I actually baked it, and I have a video of it that I forgot to cut it out and post on social. So probably I'll do it this year.

Tom

Yeah. All right. I'm looking for the post.

Baia

Yeah, definitely, definitely.

Tom

But you can also buy these cakes because obviously I don't know how to make them. I'm not gonna be able to make it at home.

Baia

The only thing is you need a special cake form to shape in a.

Tom

Way, like a mold.

Baia

Mold. Yeah, special mold for it. But otherwise you can buy it everywhere. That's what I sell. Like madness. It's everywhere.

Tom

These are for sale all over the place.

Baia

And even after the Easter, you can still see them. Leftovers, as we can call it, after the Easter. So you can always get for the entire month. Basically, you can eat the Easter cakes here, right?

Tom

Yeah. So there's not gonna be any difficulty finding an Easter cake if you're here as A tourist for just a couple of weeks.

Baia

No.

Tom

So it's 16th of April this year is Easter.

Baia

Yes.

Tom

Yeah. So for anyone listening to this, we're bringing this episode out a little bit before that, so you have time. But if you're here and you can see a bunch of top hat sort of hype cakes floating around, you know, go buy some Easter cake, go try it out.

Baia

Yeah. It also is different by size, by price. It's all sorts of things. Like there are cheap ones, there are expensive ones, there are like nicely put in the box. Some of them are in plastic bags. I mean you can find all sorts. Yeah.

Tom

Madness is literally every option you could possibly want. It's been crazy.

Baia

I mean, you know like when you get like in Western world, like Christmas decorations up in, I don't know, November, October, it's similar thing for the Easter cakes here, like the beginning of April probably, or ico, maybe even earlier or maybe later in March, it would be all like Easter cakes.

Tom

Yeah. Three or four weeks before the Easter cakes are already coming out.

Baia

Yeah.

Tom

Okay.

Baia

Something about that.

Tom

Growing up with consumerism in England, the chocolate Easter eggs were out way more than a month before. So I'm used to this. The shops will start any trend as early as they can. So no surprise. But yeah. Cool. Well, yeah, anyone who's arrived at this point, then if they're listening to this, when it comes out, there's going to be Easter cakes, look out for them.

Baia

Yes.

Tom

So currently we have boiled eggs and cake.

Baia

So. So we've talked about the red eggs and the Easter cake.

Tom

Yeah.

Baia

And we basically moved to the Saturday. This day is for the religious people and who are believers. They usually spend it at church and they attend a massive mass where our patriarch reads the prayers. Unfortunately, he's very old and elderly and has some health problems and probably sometimes he does like a short version or reads out a short prayer and then someone else continues during the night. So this is called Litonioba. In every church in Tbilisi, religious people go and spend the night and wait for the holy fire to be brought from the Jerusalem so that it reflects and it symbolizes that the Christ has resurrected for sure.

Tom

I remember this huge controversy back in 2020 when Covid had just started that they had these Easter celebrations planned and the government pretty much forced the church to cancel them. Because people share spoons.

Baia

Yes.

Tom

During these and this sort of thing.

Baia

In a couple of other places they still did and they had like 2 meter distance marked in the churches and then some cities, I think it was kutaisi that did, like in the outside courtyard of the. Of the church. But then they started sharing this spoon. And the answer from priests were that it's Easter, it's a miracle and it's religious, so no one's gonna get sick and the virus won't be transferred from one another. All right, well, I don't know that.

Tom

Not gonna get into that discussion.

Baia

Yeah, definitely not.

Tom

Is there a significance behind this sharing? And what are they sharing? They're sharing like wine or.

Baia

It's a wine and a bread especially.

Tom

Okay, so it's similar to Catholicism in that sense.

Baia

Yep. So then that's the Saturday night and the Sunday morning. And then on Sunday, actually when it's an Easter Sunday, we Georgians don't say hello to each other, but we say like a happy Easter relevant in Georgian, which is. Which means Christ has risen. And then there is a response from another person saying, which is he has risen indeed. So no hellos, no happy Easters. We say kristi akhtska. And then you get the response esmertat akska.

Tom

All right.

Baia

This is also the day when we crack the eggs, the red eggs that we boiled. And um, so as I said, there is no Easter hunting in Georgia. So instead we'd crack those red colored eggs in the morning when we wake up and we have a breakfast, basically. So it's not a like family tradition where everyone sits around the table. It's more of a like a fun thing to do. When you see a family member, you say like crack the egg and you choose the strongest egg by wrecking it on your first two teeth. So if you like the sound of it and you think it's the strongest, you choose one and then you crack both ends of the egg on each other. So you hold it in your palm and another person or family member just wrecks it on the sink.

Tom

And whose ever egg surv is the winner.

Baia

Yes. And gets all the cracked eggs.

Tom

They get to keep them. They get the shells or something.

Baia

They can keep them, they can eat them or they can distribute, whatever. It's just a fun thing to do.

Tom

We have a similar game in England, but not for Easter, but in the autumn time we play this game called conkers, which is like horse chestnuts. I don't know if you even have those trees here.

Baia

We do have the horse chestnuts.

Tom

Yeah. You put them on a string and you have them each on a string next to each other. Get turns to fire yours at the other person's on the string. And whoever breaks first, they're the Loser. And then traditionally. And I mean, if you're. If you're very cheeky, you're then allowed to wrap your, like, hit your conquer over the other person's hand as a punishment for losing.

Baia

Wow.

Tom

Which is. Yeah. Sort of mean. I don't know if they let you do that in schools anymore, but, you know, when I grew up, they did. It's a different world, so a bit crazy.

Baia

When we were kids, we would definitely take those eggs at school after the holidays, and we would, like, compete with each other in classmates. Whose egg's gonna be strongest? And there is also, like, a wooden egg as a decoration in pretty much every family, every Georgian family, just to put it out on the Easter decorations. And some people would sneak in those, like, wooden eggs, and they would, like, cheat using them. So we were always, like, looking out and making sure that no one was cheating. And, yeah, we were coming back with a lot of eggs or no eggs at all.

Tom

Wow. Nice.

Baia

Yeah.

Tom

All right. So there's got to be some more food, though, I'm guessing. You said it. It's not quite like a super. It's different from a super on Easter or something.

Baia

Yeah, it's. I mean, the red eggs and the cracking eggs is not like a soup.

Tom

No, of course. Yeah. That's specifically Easter.

Baia

We do have a special food for Easter that's called tchakapuli. It's a meat stew made originally by lamb, but because Georgians outgrow eating lamb, they started substituting it with chicken or beef meat or veal.

Tom

Veal is a popular option I've seen. And even mushroom for those people who don't want to eat meat.

Baia

Definitely. Mushroom one is really good. I sometimes even prefer it over the meat one. The main ingredients here are tarragon and plums. Green plums.

Tom

Wine normally as well, I'm told. Is that in the sauce, people put white wine?

Baia

Wine, yeah, white wine, yeah. And a bit of vinegar and a lot of herbs. Fresh herbs, because it's also like spring meat. So spring meal. So a lot of fresh herbs and fresh fruit is also in season. So that's the whole idea of cacapuli. And it has a very distinctive taste.

Tom

Yeah, I've never tasted anything like it anywhere else. Very fragrant, very herbal. Very powerful sort of intense herbal flavor.

Baia

Yeah, savory, sometimes sweet, sometimes salty. It's a mixture of everything. And the main ingredients, as I said, is tarragon and green palms. But sometimes, as the Easter is closer to the date on markets, you can see the prices increase on those green plums very high. So one time I've even seen 99 gel for a kilo.

Tom

What? No one's gonna pay that. That's crazy.

Baia

Yeah, but I mean, people did. Because you need those green plums and chakapoule, like they are the main ingredient. And I mean you don't need a kilo, you just need like a 200 gram cup or something like that. But what we do at home is when they are in season, we do preserve them for the next year so that we always have them in a way and we don't buy them in.

Tom

The form of Kamali, the plum sauce. Yeah.

Baia

So you can use different from this? No, it's just the whole plum fruit. We preserve them.

Tom

Oh, like pickled. Pickled pickles?

Baia

Yeah, kind of pickled. Yeah.

Tom

Yeah.

Baia

Not in salt, not in anything. So it doesn't give any extra taste and it preserves its own soury taste, whatever it had.

Tom

Yeah.

Baia

And that's the main meal of the day, actually. And then we also have boiled ham pieces. We usually buy it ourselves and boil it at home. You can do it or you can do it already pre cooked. It's also an option.

Tom

Is this like ratcha ham or is it just international style ham or kind.

Baia

Of a ratchet ham? But not like very smoked, because ratchet ham has a very distinctive smoke taste. But I would say it's similar to it. Just a typical ham, not an international one. And then that's basically it for the dinner. And then we have like other like, I mean, the typical things that you have to have on Supra. But other than that, you are welcome to have anything you want to have, like khachapuri, prali, salads.

Tom

So it will be a full feast in the end.

Baia

Yes.

Tom

It's just a few dishes that are essential and everyone has to have. And the rest is like. Like choice.

Baia

Yeah, definitely. And then the dessert you have either you want to bake a cake, you can, but mostly you have the Easter cake you eat.

Tom

Of course there are any wine traditions associated with Easter. There was one family that I know, they have their winery and they reserve one small quivery for the church. And at Easter they open that quivery and they give the wine from that quivery to the church as like I guess a tithe or whatever word you'd use in Georgian for this.

Baia

It's not very typical though. And it's not very typical to wine. It can be done the same way to the food as well. Because we give out to a church. Because then the church gives it to the people in need. So it's like a donation, basically. We don't have any specific traditions regarding wine, as far as I know, in terms of the Easter celebrations.

Tom

Just the usual. You're gonna drink some wine with dinner?

Baia

Yes.

Tom

And there'll be toasts. I'm guessing we're not cutting any of that out of Easter?

Baia

No, obviously.

Tom

No, no, obviously. It's a stupid question, but I thought I'd check just in case. I know Easter is the one day where we don't do toasts because, you know. Or we have specific toasts. Maybe you have specific toasts for Easter.

Baia

We have toasts for Easter and we have specific toast for the next day, Monday, because that's the day when we pay respect to our deceased family relatives. Monday is a day when we go to the cemeteries and that's where we do the toast and also bring wine and a bit of snacks. I know that sounds very strange, but bear with me.

Tom

I think a few countries do this sort of thing. Mexico does this. They go and celebrate Day of the Dead and they visit the family members.

Baia

Who have passed very rare countries does. But when I told this to my. My friends in Europe, they always get like weird faces. That's why I'm saying just in case. So that actually became a tradition when we became part of Soviet Union, because during the Soviet times, going to the church was prohibited and there was no religion. So people needed to pay respect to the relatives and pray for them. So they started going to the cemeteries and lighting up the candles and praying for them. And over the time, it turned into a tradition of going to the cemetery, bringing a bottle of wine and a bit of snacks and the red eggs that we boiled on Friday. And it's kind of a spending time with your relative. It's not a morning day. It's a celebration. So. So if you go to the cemetery during Monday, you won't see any family members crying or being sad. It's a celebration because the Easter is a celebration of life and rebirth, basically. So that's the main thing that happening on Monday. And we also have the special toast that people do on Mondays when we visit graveyards and cemeteries. But it also. Toast, as you know, is kind of like very creative and at the moment and being in the moment and expressing yourself. Our toasts are not like written out, so you have the idea, but you do it differently every time.

Tom

So the theme is to celebrate the ancestors mainly. And then everyone, of course, every family will have their own way and every person will have their own way of Doing that.

Baia

Yes. And it's also hoping or expressing the hope that they are in whatever universe or in whatever lifetime, they are very well there and they are well cared, basically. And also, like going to the cemetery on Mondays and celebrating with the past relatives also means that we keep the hope that our next generation, children and grandchildren will keep the tradition and come to our graves and tell us that the Christ has resurrected and the life goes on and celebrates with us at some point.

Tom

Yeah, the cycle continues.

Baia

Yeah, definitely. That's basically it for the Monday. The only thing that I want to note is that the traffic will be insane, and it always is insane on Mondays, even though. So I said earlier that a lot of people leave the city, but there are also a lot of people who stay in the city and their relatives are buried here in a couple of cemeteries that we have. So it's always a massive traffic nearby those cemeteries. So there will be some public transport working, obviously. But it's a nice way of understanding and going and seeing their local tradition at some point.

Tom

I mean, is it sort of something that tourists are actually allowed to turn up to these cemeteries and see what's happening? Or is that. I don't know, because maybe that'd be disrespectful.

Baia

No, no, no. I mean, there are some families that overdo the whole thing. Yeah. I mean, some families just do a huge Supra at the cemetery and they stay there for the whole day, which I really don't respect. And it's not keeping the tradition. It's just something very different. And because of that, they have the bigger cemeteries because they need the shade. And if it's, you know, like rains or whatnot and tables and branches. So sometimes it looks very.

Tom

The cemetery is set up for guests for Easter, so they actually even have, like permanent installations because they expect so many people to visit and do this.

Baia

Yes. Which is very strange and weird for me.

Tom

Well, I mean, it's interesting. If people are going to go and do this anyway, then why not have places set up for them to use so that it's more sanitary and everything.

Baia

Definitely. But what I'm saying is not to overdo it in a way, but I don't think that tourists being there would be disrespectful. You would probably be invited in some of the graves and would be offered a glass of wine and a piece of Khachapuri and probably like a red egg, so why not?

Tom

So bring a bottle of wine to the cemetery and meet some people and learn about some cultural traditions.

Baia

Yeah.

Tom

I mean, yeah, all right, it would.

Baia

Be a weird Monday spending on a cemetery, but it could be an experience.

Tom

Yeah, it would be a very different tourist experience from the usual things that people do. So I don't know if I'm going to do it or not, but yeah, if you're brave and you want to go and meet some new people, then who knows? Yeah, okay. Yeah, that's it. So we've gone through Lent, we've gone through Red Friday. Red Friday for red eggs. Saturday is the more religious day, and then Sunday is the family day where everyone spends a lot of time together and they eat and make some other dishes as well, like chakupuli. And then Monday everyone goes to the cemeteries and hangs out and celebrates the lives of the ancestors.

Baia

Yes.

Tom

Yeah. Cool. Yeah. I mean, it's quite different from Western Easter, but also there's a few similarities. Of course, there's some crossover with Christianity, so that totally makes sense.

Baia

Yeah, absolutely.

Tom

So any sort of other personal traditions that you and your family do? Things that maybe won't be the normal stuff?

Baia

Not really. We're not very religious family and we don't follow very, like, religious rules. But there are. We do just a typical things. Basically, we don't do anything extra. The only thing is sometimes we bake things that can be bought in the shops, like the Easter cake. But other than that, we don't have any. One thing that I can say is every region has and can have its own tradition at some point. However, a lot of things got lost and they got forgotten. But there is one very interesting tradition that still keeps going. In Guria region, there is a lello purti competition which is similar to rugby, but a bit different. So they make the ball themselves from the leather and they stuff it with grass and sand. And it's the heaviest ball you can carry. It could be around like two, two and a half kilos. It also has to be like anywhere from 80 to 90 centimeters longer in diameter. So what they do is there are two villages who compete with each other and like, whoever manages to bring that ball to their opponent's side is the winner. And then they take the ball because it's very rustic and very like fighty scenes. So there are a lot of injuries happening.

Tom

It's a boisterous, aggressive game in the countryside.

Baia

Yes. They usually take that ball as a trophy and also as a respect to a person who died that year. It could be Lelo Burti player or someone else in the village. So that's a interesting tradition that I have not seen myself, unfortunately, because even though I'm from Guria, we don't typically go to Guria region in Easter and we stay in Tbilisi, but that's an option for the listeners to do maybe this year or next year.

Tom

All right, yeah. So does this happen in quite a lot of villages, then, or is this just a few in. Just in Gurij? It's just the one place in Guria.

Baia

Yeah. The village is called Shoukhouti. The main event happens there and it's on Easter Sunday every year.

Tom

And so the winner gets the ball and the honour. And what does the loser get shots of? Cha Cha.

Baia

I mean, at the end, probably they're all going to get together and drink and celebrate the Easter at some point, but that's the whole, like the sporty and folk aspect of the traditional.

Tom

Yeah. All right, great. Well, I think we're pretty close to out of time. Was there anything else specifically, any other traditions that we missed?

Baia

Not that I can think of. I think I covered everything.

Tom

All right, cool. Well, I will be trying to get myself involved in some of these Easter traditions this year. We're hoping to run an Easter tour and go and have this dinner with some people out in the countryside with Winemaker. So, yeah, if you're listening to this before Easter, or if you're listening to it next year or any other Easter after that, that then do take a look on our website, eatthisthistours.com and we're going to list special events on there. So you can find this Easter tour or just put me an email as well. Just use the form on the website. So, yeah, anything else you wanted to mention about yourself? Where can people find you if you've got social media accounts or just come to your blog.

Baia

I have an Easter in Georgia blog post on my blog, red fedoradire.com for all the details with the dates and I update it every year with the specific dates. And if you want to read the same things that I basically talk today, you can also find me on social media. I have Facebook, Instagram and Twitter that I don't really use because Twitter is not very famous in Georgia, but in all the social media you can find me as Red fedoradiary.

Tom

Awesome. Okay. And yeah, the links to that we will put in the show notes so people can find those links nice and easy as well. Great. Well, Baya, thanks for coming in and chatting. Hopefully we'll get to chat about another topic sometime in the future as well. That would be awesome.

Baia

I'd be happy to. Thanks for having me. Once again, great.

Tom

And thanks everyone for listening. As always, if you want to leave us a review or you've got any comments or feedback or anything else, and you want some other topics covered by us on the podcast, do pop those in an email to Meg, my wife, who's not on the show today, of course, but megzoodfuntravel.com, pop her an email and let her know what you want to hear about. All right, that's it. Thanks again.

Baia

Thank you.

Meg

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