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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Hi and welcome to the You world order showcase. Podcast I'm your host, Jill Hart. And with us today is Eileen Ismail. She is a functional doctor who helps busy and ambitious women in their twenties to their fifties, discover the root causes of their fatigue, chronic pain, and brain fog, and helps them to overcome
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: these issues for good, so that they can show up in their lives workplace and at home with more energy, vitality, and mental clarity. Welcome to the show, Eileen. It's really nice to have you here.
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Ailina: Hi, Jill, thanks. Thank you for having me on this. Podcast we are sure it's
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Ailina: I'm very grateful to be here.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Oh, well, it's really great to have you here, and
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: well, just for the listener's sake, this is, take 2. We were having some technical difficulties. Zoom decided to just change the way they're doing stuff. And Elena was having trouble deciding which device she was, gonna be on.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: and to be able to hear and talk.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: but we're.
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Ailina: But we're here.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Yeah.
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Ailina: Yes.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: So.
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Ailina: All good.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: So we're gonna make her tell her story again.
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Ailina: Sure. Why not? So how did I get into functional medicine? Right? So basically.
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Ailina: I have 2 kids. I have 3 children. 2 are on the spectrum, and as I was saying, my need, my
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Ailina: son in the who's in the middle, he's neurotypical, but he's got the middle child syndrome, and he gives me more grief than the other 2. So my eldest is now 25. She's on the spectrum. She's got intellectual disability, and my son, my younger son could not speak
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Ailina: when he was 4 years old. Now he's got verbal diarrhea.
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Ailina: so
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Ailina: that's why we call it. It's on the spectrum, because everyone presents differently.
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Ailina: And when I did medical school in the nineties that makes me sound old, we never talked about autism, so I had to do my own research, and I found that conventional medicine didn't give me the answers that I wanted.
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Ailina: So don't get me wrong. Convention medicine is.
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Ailina: it's important. I still practice it.
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Ailina: So it's like, if you've got a heart attack or heart failure, you need drugs and that you're gonna die right. But
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Ailina: what we forget to do is sometimes conventional medicine for chronic illnesses.
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Ailina: everything. It's a pill for an ill
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Ailina: say, you've got diabetes and your sugar's high. Your doctor gives you a script for
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Ailina: a medication that brings your sugar down. If the medication, if your sugar is not well controlled, he gives you another drop, and so on, and then some people develop side effects from the drop. So that's all and good at the start, when we need to bring down your sugar.
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Ailina: Well, because in the long term. High sugar does cause a lot of problems. But we are not looking at the root cause of diabetes. For example, when we should pay more attention to your sleep, your stress, your relationships with other people.
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Ailina: movement, exercise, and movement and nutrition. So that's where functional medicine differs a bit in terms of chronic illnesses. It was the same with
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Ailina: being on the spectrum. So we know autism is multifactorial. But that's how I started learning from Bill wash from the
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Ailina: Walsh Institute, and then now with the Institute of Functional Medicine. How
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Ailina: we look at root causes the gut and the brain connection, the environmental toxicans, and how we detox it from my body and so on. So that's the difference between conventional and functional medicine.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Can relate to that so much, and
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: I think conventional medicine really does have its place in emergency medicine.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: I you know there's nobody I would rather have than a doctor if I got in a car accident, or
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: had some traumatic injury to my body.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: or even, you know, some traumatic reaction from organs in my body, that
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: what tends to happen. What I've seen happen is that people go to the doctor, and they want the doctor to solve a problem for them that they're having. They don't want to do anything themselves. They don't want to take responsibility for what got them to that point and stop doing that action
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: so that
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: they can get away from these. They're really
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: I think that they were
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: originally designed to be
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: to keep you from having critical problems like, you know, you're talking about lowering your blood sugars. You can't just put somebody on a medication and then expect that everything's going to go fine. You don't ever go back to the doctor, or you go to a different doctor who doesn't understand what happened in the 1st place, and he puts you on something else. So we see that a lot with the elderly
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: yeah, and and it's
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: dangerous.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: And people don't take responsibility for
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: their lifestyles.
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Ailina: Yeah.
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Ailina: you should be an advocate for your own health. You should listen to your body and ask questions like.
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Ailina: why am I taking this drug. Why is it doing this?
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Ailina: And so on?
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Ailina: Because, you know, it's your body.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: My dad has a really interesting approach that he takes to medicine. He's 88 now.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: and he's he's amazingly in good shape for his lifestyle choices, but he has a doctor that he has on a retainer.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: so which keeps him from having to go to the emergency room, which I think really
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: speaks to why, he's been able to live such a good quality of life
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: for so long. And it's that, you know, if he has something
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: weird happened to him like he had blood in his urine not that long ago, and you know he's had pancreatic or not pancreatic, but bladder cancer. So he was worried that that's maybe what was happening. So he calls this doctor that he has on retainer. And the doctor says, Well, you're going into the urologist in a couple weeks. Go see him
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: and and see what's happening there. And the urologist said, no cancer, and so he went back to the doctor, and the doctor is like, Well, are you still on that blood thinner that you were on?
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: And he, my dad says, Yeah.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: he'd fired this doctor
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: so
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: just like, why are you still on this blood thinner and nobody's monitoring it really. So they took him off of that, and
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: like night and day, difference for how.
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Ailina: Cheers, yeah.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: I mean. He was all bruised up and.
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Ailina: Oh!
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: No more bleeding
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: randomly.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: But I
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: just it's the case in in my dad's case he could have gone to the emergency room.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Yep.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: which is what most people would do if they had that situation present. And then they're they're into a whole different
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: circuit of of different things that could be wrong with you, and let's try out all of our medical equipment and and give you a bunch of drugs that you probably don't need rather than just looking at what you're already doing, and seeing if we could adjust that.
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Ailina: Yeah.
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Ailina: unfortunately. But that's how the system works at the moment. So that's why I say, always advocate for your own health. Ask
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Ailina: all this, has questions.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Yeah, for sure. So
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: well, you talk a lot about fatigue and chronic pain and brain fog and those sorts of things that you help people with. What are the common causes for that
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: in your
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Ailina: There's a lot. But honestly think of simple things first.st it could be
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Ailina: in the broad sense. It you look at fatigue in terms of is it sleep? So if you're having enough sleep or not? And what's the quality of sleep? Because some people say, it's I just sleep 8 HA day, not a problem. I'm still tired. Then I said, do you feel well rested after your 8 h of sleep? And then they're like, oh, no, I still feel bad. So the quality of the sleep, and then is the fatigue physical, so is it muscle, fatigue, you know.
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Ailina: like, how do you get muscle fatigue from exercising? But could it be other things that's happening? And the last is mental fatigue. So zoom, can you can get zoom, fatigue. You have always on zoom all the time. Excuse me.
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Ailina: possibilities, root causes of fatigue, and then we go into more detail, and then we look at detail. We look at I call it like the pyramid of dysfunction. We always the second, apart from sleep is stress.
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Ailina: So if you've got a lot of stress, it can cause obviously mental fatigue. And sometimes when we have
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Ailina: health issues. Then it transmits as psychosomatic. Then you get bodily symptoms right. But it all started with stress in your mind. And then, of course, we look at trauma.
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Ailina: So trauma's huge transgenerational, adverse childhood events. So all those need to be addressed, if not again mental and physical fatigue. And last.
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Ailina: we go a bit deeper in functional. In how I address it is looking at your gut.
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Ailina: so from your mouth, right to your stomach looking at acid production because a lot of people are on
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Ailina: proton pump inhibitors does prevent production of acid, and acid's important for your stomach to digest protein
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Ailina: bad bacteria before they get in through the lower parts of a gut. And so those are all the basic things that I would look at. Oh, and one more nutrient deficiencies.
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Ailina: I'm not sure but in the Us. But in Australia, in Melbourne, in Victoria, personally, everyone's low in vitamin d. So what happens is
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Ailina: what's their reference range? They're actually basing their reference range. Say they do bloods for a thousand people, and then everyone falls in this bulk of when they charge it on chat.
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Ailina: like a chat. And okay, if 95% of the population falls between
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Ailina: the 95% that they test falls between that delta, that must be the normal range. So when everyone's low in vitamin d, then and your levels are that it must be normal. It's not. Then there's optimum levels. So in functional medicine, there's healthy levels. And then there's optimum levels. So the optimum never goes outside of the health range. So we're not working with like
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: It makes total sense, and and I've heard this before, and it always cracks me up when I get a test done, and the doctor's like, Oh, it's in the normal range. It's like normal for sick people.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: About optimal ranges. Yeah.
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Ailina: So yeah, so that's why, when people come to me and say, I've got fatigue, I say, okay, let's look at your bloods. Oh, my doctor said, it's not, I said, no, let's look at it like I want to have a look, and then I'll interpret it from a functional point of view. Then they're like, Oh, okay, yeah. And then I give them the research. So like, there's fact sheets about how we got to these numbers, because, like in Australia, our
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Ailina: our units are different. For yours, for example, again we go back to Vitamin D. Ours is nanomoles per liter
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Ailina: off the top of my head. You guys are nanograms per mil. So it's quite different. But in our labs normal is 50. But my function normally is 120.
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Ailina: That's huge difference. Right? It's huge. But yeah.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: So she's.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: you know. People don't even think about how much time they spend indoors, even in the summertime, or maybe even especially in the summertime because it's hot outside. So you don't go outside and get in the sun like you're supposed to.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: and.
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Ailina: And you worry about skin cancer.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Yeah, or you slather other chemicals on you that I truly don't believe they're good for you.
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Ailina: So the best is try to get up in the sun like, today's a nice day. We're going hopefully, soonish into summer. You guys are going to winter. Get out in the sun 1015, 30 min before 10 Am. Will be the best time when the UV lights not to yeah, cause vitamin D, unfortunately, you can't get it much from food. So it's mostly from the sun.
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Ailina: and sun is really good for your cortisol levels like it wakes you up. Yeah, natural sunlight.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: We walk every morning, and it's.
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Ailina: A lot of it.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: For that reason it's it's so good for you.
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Ailina: Yeah, and walking releases endorphins. You know, you feel good hormones.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Then you walk with somebody that you love, and it builds your relationship. If you don't talk.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Yeah, maybe music would be better.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: My husband likes to sing, though it's got songs for everything.
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Ailina: That's so sweet.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: It's pretty funny.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: So how did how did all this help your kids.
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Ailina: Functional medicine.
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Ailina: Yeah. So we went back to basics like
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Ailina: it was okay, like conventional. Says, Okay, she couldn't write. Go to see a occupational therapist. She couldn't speak. See a speechy what we call here a speech pathologist. That's fine. But then we look at root causes. So I went hardcore when they are small, when they're still kids, and they listen to their moms. It's easier
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Ailina: gluten free, dairy free. There's so much research on how
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Ailina: in certain people, especially kids on the spectrum or in autoimmune diseases. Gluten and casein and casein is the protein from dairy is one is 2 of the major inflammatory foods for your gut.
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Ailina: and we're not going to too much detail because of time. It can cause leaky gut, and then it can, meaning the barrier between your gut wall.
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Ailina: within the outside and the inside of your body breaks down. So then you take other things that you would normally not react to. But now, because your gut's leaky, you start reacting to other foods. And then there's such a strong connection between the gut
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Ailina: in the brain. Right? So then.
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Ailina: because with autism, your brain function starts to decline with time. If you don't address it, we look at the gut because 90% of the time the gut's talking to the brain via our favorite vagus nerve
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Ailina: and then 10% is brain to that.
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Ailina: So looking at the gut is important. Yes.
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Ailina: supplements
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Ailina: can help at the start again. So like medication, supplements are good to boost. But if you take supplements forever.
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Ailina: then it becomes like another drug, right? So start off with that. And then look at nutrition
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Ailina: because we can use nutrition food as medicine. That's the goal
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: types of magnesium. Most people don't realize that. And
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: in in testing out the different types of magnesium like I,
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: it can cause you gastrointestinal problems. If you take certain kinds. I mean, that's what it's for. And there are certain kinds that
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: your body just can't digest. So you're taking them. But it's not really doing anything for you. In fact, it's probably making the problem worse because it's causing you to drop a lot of water. But, you need magnesium in your body for all the electrical things that go on in your brain and your heart and your muscles and
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: And really, when you get it in your food.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: You're getting all of the other things with it packaged together so that your body can actually assimilate it and use it first.st It's just like I took my magnesium supplement. I'm good to go.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: I can eat a whole bag of potato chips now.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: I'm with you. What are your thoughts? I'm going to ask you this because I'm curious. I've done a lot of research on it, but I haven't gotten a definitive answer. So I like to ask people who might actually have some science back.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: or or even experientially backed information. But what are your thoughts on like magnesium being absorbed through the skin.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: It works, or it doesn't work.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: I know my husband. He he uses Epsom salt.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: He has some neuropathy happening in his feet. And it's not. It's they don't know what causes it. It's not diabetes he's he's totally fine. He drove a truck for like a million years, and so
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: we think that it might be based on that. Or he also because he was a truck driver, had to take this high blood pressure medicine
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: to get his blood pressure down in some
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: but because he has to pass this artificial test to get a Cdl
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: one of the side effects is neuropathy on this one kind of medication he was on.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: So he ended up getting disability because
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: of all these problems. But he soaks his feet at night, and I know that when he soaks his feet at night he sleeps a lot better.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Yeah, I I'm I'm with you on that, you know. If you
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: should just try it. It's not going to hurt you.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: So what are your what are your top.
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Ailina: and then do your breathing. So I use the rule of 4, where you inhale slowly for 4 counts. Hold for 4, exhale for 4, hold for 4, and do it 4 times, because that actually then triggers your vagus nerve. Remember, I said, the vagus nerve is the major nerve where your gut talks your brain so that comes things down so it's the rest and digest compared to your flight and fight.
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Ailina: and people can always go back to watch it. If the timing is not right? Then there's a Q&A at the end, or there's a if there's not, they don't attend live. There's a Facebook private group. You can always ask questions. I come on every few days and answer questions, and then we learn from other people's questions, too. Sometimes you don't think about the questions and someone else answer and then answer it. And
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: is there? Is it results oriented, or is it kind of open? Ended.
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Ailina: regroup. Sometimes, as I said, you fall off the bandwagon. That's when we do the weekly check ins and say, Okay, can't do this too hard. Lots of side effects. Let's try this and so on. So that's how my program the the fire program
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Ailina: But everyone's at a different stage. So some people
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Ailina: If people wanna continue. They just keep going, or people's happy. They stop. Yeah.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Makes total sense. I I really like the the idea. And I I'm hoping that the whole medical.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: complex kind of moves more in that direction. I think it would make for much healthier societies overall, and I'm really glad that you're offering this to people pretty much everywhere. It's not.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: you know. I know that where I live it's really hard to find a functional medicine doctor.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: because there just aren't any. I live in the middle of the country, and
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: you know, if I wanted to go all the way to Salt Lake I might be able to find somebody. But I'm not driving that far.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: so you know that that we can call somebody online or contact somebody online and and get the ball moving
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: is
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: pretty amazing.
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Ailina: We I think that sorry. The latest research shows that when you go to your conventional doctor, most doctors spend like 9.5 min in a consult.
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Ailina: You can't address anything like your brain has to like, and
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Ailina: you come for different things. So then the doctor's the thing of it. Yeah, so you can't do much in 9.5. Unfortunately, that's how the medical system is I'm not sure about.
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Ailina: conventional patients I spend at least 15 min, and then my functional will go for like an hour, an hour. 15 cause you go into you looking at the whole body you don't just look at. Oh, just help me with my thyroid. Don't worry about anything else, I said, you can't.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Yeah, it's
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: it always amazes me that people.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: And by people I mean doctors, they want to look at one organ.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Okay, we're just gonna isolate this one organ.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: but it's connected to all the other organs. You have it for a reason. Well, we're just gonna yank it out.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: You'll know.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: That's it.
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Ailina: It happens even here, like. And that's how we learn in medical school and how we start specialized. So like, if you're a gastroenterologist. Yes, you know so much about a bit right just about the gut. Well, even then that's more structural than functional.
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Ailina: Shouldn't say that. And then so I had one patient. She went to a gastroenterologist, and he just happened to do her blood pressure. And he's like, Oh, my God, it's high!
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Ailina: now
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: And one thing.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Wrong, without other things.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Affected. You can't just.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Can't just look at one organ and say, Oh.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: here, we'll just give you this pill.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: I it's why we have side effects, because that one little pill is going to do something. And yeah, it's like people that take Melatonin all the time.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Yeah, maybe sometimes you need something to help you fall asleep, but if you take Melatonin all the time, then your body stops learning how to produce it itself.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Yep.
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Ailina: Oh, you need more and more of the synthetic ones, and and then you're still not addressing the root causes of why you're not sleeping in the first.st
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Ailina: Please. Right? Yeah.
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Ailina: I if I'm jet lag it works amazing like it's really good for jet lag. But yeah.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: It. It has its place. It's like everything. Everything has its place, and if you use it as it's intended to be used as a.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: as you know, sometime occasional
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: help with sleep.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: not not a daily supplement
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: that becomes an addiction.
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Ailina: True
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Ailina: soon, that you can live without it right.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Yeah.
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Ailina: It's the same with what I call happy pills. Your antidepressants like it's supposed to work. For example, one of it is the Ssris. It helps to maintain this fairy capsule of
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Ailina: to the next step that you're happy, but then it acts in the other part of the brain. Then people feel like they've lost their zest for life. They feel emotionally blunt, or then it affects on the gut, and you get nausea. And yeah, it's yeah. It's just one thing. It's like a domino effect. So why don't you look with mental health? Look at
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Ailina: dopamine to noradrenaline. So Dopamine goes down. You're more depressed. Noradrenaline goes up. You're more anxious like
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Ailina: looking at the biochemistry of the brain would be a good thing.
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Ailina: I talk too much.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: No, you don't. It's it's so important. And people.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: there's so many ways that you can address these issues that are more natural. I struggle with anxiety for a long time, and I found Ashwagandha.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: And I meant.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: and he actually had to look it up on his phone. I was.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: I was sworn. It's like.
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Ailina: You can't blame him. We don't learn that in editor school. Unfortunately. Yeah.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: For me. That's a miracle drug, because I can tell when I don't take it for a while, and and it works pretty quickly in terms of like calming your nervous system down that with breathing. You know, the box breathing is like, Yeah.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: it's another miracle drug
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: I'm telling. When I learned to when I learned to do box breathing, it changed my whole sleep.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: My whole ability to sleep at night after menopause. It was just like
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: I was struggling so hard with
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: getting to sleep and staying asleep, and you just do that.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: and.
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Ailina: Amazing.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Off. It is true.
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Ailina: I know, like
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Ailina: simple.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Breathing, but it's breathing a certain way. And and your body just it really does respond. It's
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: I don't know. I keep saying amazing, but it's because it really is amazing.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: So
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: you offer 3 simple steps to stop being tired on how to stop being tired in 3 simple steps, I think is how you put it.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Can you talk a little bit about that, so we can.
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Ailina: I did, I think a bit before. You can always find it in my website@dottyna.com. Basically, the 3 things that I mentioned briefly before. It's
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Ailina: 1st the brief breath work. So you just showed it the box breath work while you actually
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Ailina: put your fingertips to each other, so I can't show it here. But I think it's on the document, because that then triggers the
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Ailina: right Brent
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Ailina: left brain connection, and also it comes to down the vagus nerve. Then the second thing is moving. However, you have to move. Whether it's
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Ailina: swimming, walking, walking just to the post box just twisting in your chair, doing chair exercises or movements. And the 3rd is,
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Ailina: every eating a rainbow. Colored
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Ailina: foods? Right? Yeah.
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Ailina: Sounds simple. But give it a try. It's just like you said, your breath work works for you. Right? Yeah.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Yeah, just simple things, and you can download that@umdrelina.com forward. Slash ff, and I will put the link in the show notes so that people can find it.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: This has been a great conversation.
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Ailina: No worries.
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Ailina: I just want to say, like, if you want to follow me, my main platform is more Instagram, so it's Dr. Underscore Eilina, so you can put that in the show notes, too, and there's a link if you want. There's a quiz to see what root causes.
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Ailina: If you have. If you're suffering from fatigue. What are the root causes? To that I concentrate more on the thyroid, your hormones, your other hormones, and the gut, and then you can get like a percentage, and then you can always book a call with me. It's free. Bring me your blood work. If it's been a recent one, and then I can just interpret it from a functional point of view.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: So when you talk about, bring your blood work. What kind of blood panels would you want people to do.
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Ailina: Oh, the more the better. But I know in Austria, in the Us. You might be restricted by your insurance and all that
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Ailina: understand, but the basic one so.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Pay for it by.
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Ailina: Oh, okay,
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Ailina: so
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Ailina: that's a good one. Maybe I should put it on my Instagram, like what we look for. It's an easy list. Basically a full blood count because your liver function, your kidney, because even from your liver, looking at Alp, one of the enzymes you could actually
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Ailina: even without doing your plasma zinc, because sometimes plasma zing, not many labs do it, or they charge a lot for that. So even, just basic, so full blood. Count liver kidneys your cholesterol. Then there's ways of how to do the blood. So
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Ailina: the context on when you do the blats the same way.
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Ailina: for example, fasting 8 to 10 h. Not longer, not shorter, no exercise. If you're crazy, Marathon. Gym
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Ailina: going off supplements for at least 24 h. Of the top of my head.
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Ailina: those would be the basic ones. Because, say, 3 months down the line. I say, okay, this was not optimum. Let's do this. And then we test again. We must make sure the environment where we did the blood taking is the same right. So still fasting no exercise.
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Ailina: Because, if not, you're kind of like comparing apples to pears, because some people come to me. Oh, I fasted, I said. When was your last meal? 12 h ago? I said, Oh, that will affect some of the liver enzymes right? So then you don't get an accurate representation of
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Ailina: how? Yeah, the biochemistry of the blood. So
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Ailina: going back to that cholesterol and sugar, Hba, one C is a better one.
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Ailina: It looks at the 3 months of your average sugar in the last 3 months.
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Ailina: if you can get uric acid, be good if you can get high sensitivity. Crp is good for inflammatory markers. Homocysteine is huge. Yeah.
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Ailina: you just reminded me. I'll put down a list that people can go through that they can click on the link for free in my Instagram, and then you can just get your doctor
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Ailina: to do it. I am.
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Ailina: Do it privately.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Yeah, that would be really awesome. I only know about the different types of blood work because my husband has been doing some research. And he's like, I'm trying to find all these tests that I want to take, and I can't find anybody that does that.
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Ailina: what I would suggest would be the basic ones. And then from there, sub specialize it, right? Depending on your needs. But yeah, that's a good
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Ailina: what? And how to take the blood slide
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Ailina: the environment. I always give a fact sheet to my
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Ailina: patience. I just have to
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Ailina: because some people don't.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Interesting about the the environment I'd never thought about that. I know with with taking your blood pressure.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Most doctors offices do this wrong because they'll just come in and they'll start talking to you, and they're talking to you the whole time. They're taking your blood pressure, and they have you sitting up, and you're already anxious, because, you know, you're in the doctor's office about something, and you're probably in pain. And
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: and then they're surprised that you have high blood pressure, and then they want to give you some pills that are
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: other problems.
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Ailina: And labs always stick to the same labs, different labs, different machines, different reference ranges. It's again comparing apples and past, and and a lot of people don't realize that they're like.
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Ailina: I thought it didn't matter, I said. It does matter where you do. Your bloods always stick to the same ones.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Yeah, that's really helpful pieces of information. Thank you so much. So what's the one thing you hope the audience takes away from our conversation today?
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Ailina: Listen to your body.
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Ailina: I think that's so important.
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Ailina: And based on that. Then you advocate for your own health like, okay.
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Ailina: maybe I've been living with this fatigue for a while, but I just thought it was just part of me, and then never know any different. So listen to your body.
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Ailina: Maybe. Then do your basic bloods look at it from a functional point of view. You might not need drugs. You might not need supplements. It's just probably tweaking your nutrition, and then go from there.
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Ailina: Listen to your money.
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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Thank you so much for joining me today.
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Ailina: Thanks, Jill, for having me. You have a great day. I hope it's been really helpful to your audience, and I'll definitely I will share it with my audience when this goes. Live.