It was very foggy and they were jogging the battlefield right
Jenn:by Devil's Den and they saw what they thought were two reenacters.
Jenn:And they were very dirty, she said, and they were like torn.
Jenn:The clothes were torn and they looked like they were just.
Jenn:Haggard and grown out beers and stuff and just was like, wow.
Jenn:And she even said to her dad, they're really into it.
Jenn:And they were on the other side of the road as they were jogging, and they didn't
Jenn:really even look at them or engage them.
Jenn:And she said her dad waved, but they didn't even really look up.
Jenn:And they just kept going and they didn't even think anything of it.
Jenn:Well then that night they're taking a ghost tour bus tour
Jenn:and the tour guide said, I.
Jenn:We're about to come onto the where the most seen ghosts are seen here at
Jenn:Gettysburg, right here by Devil's Den.
Jenn:It's two older rebels leaving Battle.
Jenn:People see them on this side of the road walking this way.
Jenn:They're seen constantly here at Gettysburg, and she said her and her dad.
Jenn:Just looked at each other and were like, oh my gosh.
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Scott:Had commented on the Ronald Reagan episode where you had mentioned the
Scott:gentleman claiming to be in charge of the White House as a speaker of
Scott:the house, and actually was Alexander Hagg, who is Secretary of Defense.
Scott:Yeah.
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Jenn:that we corrected later on in the conversation.
Jenn:Yeah.
Scott:thank you for catching that, Linda.
Scott:That's, that's great feedback.
Scott:We, we caught that later.
Scott:And then also We got another comment from DG Photography on the Lost Colony episode.
Scott:DG photography said I work a lot with the settlements down there in
Scott:Virginia and there's new evidence indicating they just packed up and left.
Scott:And that's in reference to the lost colony at Roanoke, North
Scott:Basically kind of, nobody really knew.
Scott:They just kinda just
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:I remember they had carved coa into
Scott:English settlers in America, period.
Jenn:Period.
Jenn:Mm-hmm.
Jenn:And no one knew what happened to him.
Jenn:That's why they called the lost colony, lost colon.
Jenn:But we surmised that they probably packed up and left.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:And we'll, we talked about that on that
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Scott:We got approached, kind of your Jen, your first fan, public
Jenn:Yes.
Jenn:I was approached by someone at the Battle of Little Bighorn, like the
Jenn:most farthest out parking lot at the Battle of Little Bighorn national Park.
Jenn:They asked me, Jen, are you Jen of Walk With History?
Jenn:So it was pretty awesome.
Jenn:Took a picture
Scott:Yeah, and I believe that was, it was Robbie Bryant.
Jenn:Robbie Bryant.
Jenn:Mm-hmm.
Scott:very nice.
Scott:He said, oh yeah, I saw your stuff when you were working
Scott:with JD from history under gown.
Scott:And if you watched any history on YouTube, you've probably seen
Scott:so that was just really cool.
Scott:We told him we'd give him a little shout out.
Scott:And then also while we were driving around the country, we kind of wrote our
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Jenn:Yes.
Jenn:We made the history, mobile
Scott:mobile.
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Jenn:mm-hmm.
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Scott:But we, we put it on the back and we got a, a donation from Sydney.
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Jenn:But the most northern
Jenn:one,
Scott:I think Sydney donated a couple bucks.
Scott:And then your friend Lisa, actually donated to our Venmo
Scott:after we posted the picture on
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Jenn:Yeah.
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Jenn:So if you real estate information or advice, she's
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Scott:For the longest time when Jen and I were dating in our early years of marriage,
Scott:she would drag me along these ghost and I.
Scott:Not being particularly houses or ghost stories.
Scott:I, I never really knew why.
Jenn:mm-hmm.
Scott:would do it
Jenn:do.
Scott:And then about a year ago, maybe 18 months ago, we went to Colonial
Scott:Williamsburg and did a ghost tour walking near George With's house.
Scott:Mm-hmm.
Scott:And I finally realized, Jen, why you like doing Go ghost tours so much is
Scott:because they're all about history.
Scott:So Jen, you've done a lot of ghost tours, but tonight we're actually talking about
Jenn:Yes.
Scott:So let's talk about Gettysburg and
Jenn:Sure.
Jenn:Yeah, you're right.
Jenn:We have a lot of history of ghost tours every place we live.
Jenn:San Diego.
Jenn:San Diego claims to have the most haunted house in America.
Jenn:We dumped them in Dublin and Colonial Williamsburg, which we
Jenn:learned all about George with.
Jenn:We didn't really know about him until that ghost tour,
Scott:and, and that's, that, that was kind of the light bulb moment for me.
Scott:Now, it only took what.
Scott:13, years of marriage for me to finally figure that out, that the
Scott:reason that you like these Ghost tours so much is so much history.
Scott:Because really if you've ever been on a ghost tour, and if you're listening, we'd
Scott:be curious to hear kind of what ghost, what your favorite ghost tours have been.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:But you go on the Ghost tour and they tell you all about what happened,
Scott:and obviously But it's all history.
Jenn:It's history.
Jenn:You gotta make sure, so it's, it's, I would say it's.
Jenn:Foundational history.
Jenn:You've gotta make sure the story is true.
Jenn:So we'll talk about something that even in the Gettysburg Ghost Tour, that's not
Jenn:exactly true, but it embellishes the story so it makes it even more romanticized.
Jenn:So you gotta make sure that the history is accurate.
Jenn:But when you do listen to the ghost story and you go back to research
Jenn:it on your own, it usually has some facts, some historic fact to it.
Jenn:And that's what I love most about the
Scott:Yeah, there, there's, there's some historic fact and then
Scott:there's obviously like local lore.
Scott:Yes.
Scott:What people said, rumors,
Jenn:And then Gettysburg is known for its ghost tour.
Jenn:So yeah.
Jenn:so
Scott:so talk about Gettysburg, the time that you went out to this one.
Scott:I actually wasn't
Jenn:there.
Jenn:You weren't there with me.
Jenn:I did a three day well we did a three part series to this.
Jenn:Do we talk about Strong Vincents.
Jenn:I think I just do a little overview of Gettysburg, or I do
Jenn:the Gettysburg address because,
Scott:went to the location
Jenn:where he spoke in the Evergreen Cemetery, which is not
Jenn:actually in the National Cemetery.
Jenn:He's actually sitting in the Evergreen Cemetery, which is the,
Jenn:the civilian cemetery of Gettysburg.
Jenn:And then we did a ghost tour, and I always wanted to do a ghost tour.
Jenn:So if you remember Gettysburg, it's happening July 1st,
Jenn:second, and third, 1863.
Jenn:It will have the most casualties of any battle in the Civil
Jenn:War, so the most killed.
Jenn:And because it happens so fast and because, Lee retreats and
Jenn:the union basically chases him.
Jenn:There's not a lot of time to bury the dead, so a lot happens
Jenn:to the dead in this timeframe.
Jenn:They're left outside for long periods of time.
Jenn:This is July.
Jenn:This is Pennsylvania and the humidity bloated body.
Jenn:So a lot of times, The initial battle.
Jenn:First couple weeks after, they just buried people where they
Jenn:lie, like they would go out to the battlefield and just bury graves.
Jenn:Then later they disinterred those graves and put them in the cemetery,
Jenn:the national cemetery
Jenn:there.
Jenn:Then they disinterred most of those Confederate graves and took those back to
Jenn:places like Hollywood Cemetery Richmond.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:Closer.
Scott:Closer to home
Jenn:So they took the Confederates back.
Jenn:So people have been moved often in Gettysburg and that doesn't mean
Jenn:that they don't find the random body here and there cuz they do.
Jenn:And it doesn't mean they got everybody.
Jenn:And with all that death comes these ghost plus it.
Jenn:There's a lot of unknown Yeah.
Jenn:Soldiers
Scott:I, I think that's where a lot of it starts to stem the unknown.
Scott:And there's a couple questions, and then someone and boof.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:All of a sudden you have a
Jenn:Yeah.
Scott:ghost
Jenn:So, so many of these men are unidentified, right?
Jenn:And so nobody knows for sure how many.
Jenn:And then who, and one of the stories we start off with is Is
Jenn:a unidentified soldier who dies holding a photograph, right?
Jenn:And so this photograph is found by a young girl, and she takes it back to
Jenn:her tavern, and this journalist sees the photograph and he is I should
Jenn:run that photograph in the paper.
Scott:a, it's a photo, was it three kids or like a wife and
Jenn:No, it's three children.
Jenn:Three children and two boys and a girl.
Jenn:And like it, the, it looks like the two older children are on either side
Jenn:of a younger boy in the middle and the person dies holding this picture.
Jenn:And so there's no other distinguishing facts about this
Jenn:body except for that picture.
Jenn:So they run the picture in the paper.
Jenn:Now you remember the Gettysburg happens in July.
Jenn:Picture is run in October and identified in October, and
Jenn:they identify it as Amos Ton.
Jenn:And his wife sees the picture and recognizes him.
Jenn:So she hasn't heard from him from since July.
Jenn:Oh,
Scott:Oh
Jenn:So
Jenn:so July to October.
Jenn:This is when she sees the picture.
Jenn:And I'm not saying that was common, but it's more common than not common.
Jenn:And at least she knows that's where he died.
Jenn:Sure.
Jenn:Because how else would you know where your significant other fell?
Jenn:You don't know.
Jenn:And that's where these unknown soldiers would
Scott:sure what happened a lot back then husband never came home.
Jenn:Never came home.
Jenn:And so you didn't really know where, this is the last letter you got and
Jenn:hopefully someone knew him or saw him, or maybe you got a story, maybe you didn't.
Jenn:Who knows?
Jenn:When she actually, she sees this picture of the, these three children
Jenn:I'm standing kind of outside the cemetery doors, that's where they
Jenn:believe that he fell in that area there.
Jenn:There was a lot of fighting right there on that main street, that first day.
Jenn:That's Baltimore street.
Jenn:And right where I'm standing is not only where they believe he died, but it's
Jenn:also what would become the orphanage.
Jenn:And that orphanage is basically like an orphanage and.
Jenn:Widow's house for the people of Gettysburg or the Battle of Gettysburg.
Jenn:And so, Huston's wife actually will be the first mistress
Jenn:of that house with her three
Scott:And, and if, and if folks are curious to watch the video, so you can
Scott:see what, what Jen's talking about, I will link our three part series in the, the
Scott:video, the description of this podcast.
Scott:So in your podcast player, you can, you can find that, or you can go to
Scott:our, our channel But if you're curious to watch the videos after this to, to
Scott:kind of see what we're talking about
Jenn:Yes.
Jenn:So that's basically, and I'm gonna get into this first Ghost story.
Jenn:So this national Homestead of Gettysburg, also called the Gettysburg Orphanage.
Jenn:A Widow's Home opens in October of 1866.
Jenn:So this is three years after the Battle Gettysburg.
Jenn:The first matron is Huston's widow.
Jenn:Her three children are there and it's.
Jenn:People say, they really love her.
Jenn:She does a great job.
Jenn:But then it's the second person after she leaves, she's replaced by a
Jenn:Rosa Carmichael, and that's when the history takes a turn for the worse.
Jenn:And this is where all the haunting stories come from because
Jenn:she's a cruel disciplinarian.
Jenn:She has a dungeon in the bottom of the orphanage.
Jenn:She abuses children down there.
Jenn:If they're bad,
Scott:just kind of reported later because she got in
Jenn:Yes.
Jenn:Yes.
Jenn:And she got in a lot of trouble.
Jenn:And it's actually, so we, our ghost tour takes you like kind of behind and they
Jenn:say there's been people witnessing kids' faces in the windows and things like that.
Jenn:And so it's a popular spot for paranormal investigators.
Jenn:Ghost hunting, ghost Adventures came, spent the night in the basement trying
Jenn:to communicate with Carmichael's ghost.
Jenn:It's also been featured in other
Scott:That's like one, one of those shows or
Jenn:of those shows.
Scott:the shows has actually tried
Jenn:Yes.
Jenn:So you can't, right now it's not open for tours inside, but
Jenn:it's part of the ghost tour.
Jenn:Outside, walk around.
Jenn:Mm-hmm.
Jenn:And you're right in the center of the action there.
Jenn:So remember if you go to that orphanage, you're right beside the
Jenn:cemetery, which is right across from Cemetery Hill, cemetery Ridge, where
Jenn:that first day of battle took place.
Jenn:You're kind of cattycorner to the Jenny Wade house.
Jenn:That's the only civilian casualty of Gettysburg.
Jenn:And so you're right in the center of everything right there, so that most
Jenn:ghost tours are gonna take you on that.
Jenn:Property and tell you the story of the orphanage, tell you the story of
Jenn:the terrible head mistress and some of those graphic stories, and then
Jenn:the haunting of the children today
Scott:No, that's, that, that was an interesting one.
Scott:It sounded, and there's a couple, is, was there a couple kind of ghost
Scott:tours or was that kind of the, the primary one there in Gettysburg?
Jenn:So there's a couple, I did two of them.
Jenn:Yeah, I did a daytime one and I did a nighttime one.
Jenn:And of course there's a couple different companies and we'll talk
Jenn:about the company that I used.
Jenn:But it, you can do many different ones and like I said, we really
Jenn:didn't venture onto the battlefield.
Jenn:You aren't allowed to go on the battlefield after.
Jenn:Sundown.
Jenn:Oh, really?
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:So the ghost stories have to kind of stay on the, you stand on the outside
Jenn:of the battlefield and talk about it, but they claim that Gettysburg is one
Jenn:of the most haunted places because of all the people that died there.
Jenn:And so you'll see many ghosts.
Jenn:Shows where they put microphones at Devil's Den, because it was a,
Jenn:a strong influence of of rebels who were killed at Devil's Den.
Scott:we, we had a, we had our friend Courtney.
Scott:Yes.
Scott:Do you wanna talk, you, do you want to kind of tell her
Jenn:Sure.
Jenn:So I always say, So the microphone at Devil's done, I was just gonna
Jenn:tell you, they, they catch, they, they claim to catch people yelling
Jenn:at night or, people whispering to each other, things along that nature.
Jenn:You can watch any of those on TV and you can decide for yourself.
Jenn:My friend Courtney.
Jenn:So I love Gettysburg.
Jenn:We've talked about this.
Jenn:I love going at the golden hour.
Jenn:That's the first hour after sunrise.
Jenn:That's when the park opens, parks, opens sunrise to sunset.
Jenn:And so if you can get out there early, if you stay at a place
Jenn:close enough and you can get out.
Jenn:To the battlefield, right as the sun rises like I did.
Jenn:You can jog it and it's a beautiful jog and it's a great place.
Jenn:It's safe and it's groomed and nobody's there.
Jenn:It's like you have the place to yourself.
Jenn:If you see our video from Gettysburg, I'm at Devil's Den by myself.
Jenn:I mean, that's really unheard of, especially in the summer.
Jenn:I wasn't there and I was in September, but in the summer, to be anywhere
Jenn:in Gettysburg by herself is rare.
Jenn:So my friend Courtney, your friend Courtney, we know her from the
Jenn:Navy, went to the Naval Academy.
Jenn:And she would meet her dad sometimes in Gettysburg to jog
Jenn:the battlefield cuz it was close.
Jenn:It's close enough to DC and it's a great, like I said, it's a
Jenn:great jog and one morning dusk.
Jenn:It was very foggy and they were jogging the battlefield right
Jenn:by Devil's Den and they saw what they thought were two reenacters.
Jenn:Again, the park's only open from sunrise to sunset, and they had
Jenn:just gotten there at sunrise.
Jenn:So doesn't mean that it's not reenacted out there at sunrise, it's just why.
Jenn:And they were very dirty, she said, and they were like torn.
Jenn:The clothes were torn and they looked like they were just.
Jenn:Haggard and grown out beers and stuff and just was like, wow.
Jenn:And she even said to her dad, they're really into it.
Jenn:And they were on the other side of the road as they were jogging, and they didn't
Jenn:really even look at them or engage them.
Jenn:And she said her dad waved, but they didn't even really look up.
Jenn:And they just kept going and they didn't even think anything of it.
Jenn:Well then that night they're taking a ghost tour bus tour and the bus tour
Jenn:is, it's before the sun goes down.
Jenn:They're allowed, they were driving the battlefield and the tour guide said, I.
Jenn:We're about to come onto the where the most seen ghosts are seen here at
Jenn:Gettysburg, right here by Devil's Den.
Jenn:It's two older rebels leaving Battle.
Jenn:People see them on this side of the road walking this way.
Jenn:They're seen constantly here at Gettysburg, and she said her and her dad.
Jenn:Just looked at each other and were like, oh my gosh.
Jenn:And the way the tour driver described them, it was like the description was
Jenn:to a t of the two men that they saw.
Jenn:And she said, she said it makes her hair stand up even when she
Jenn:thinks about it and talks about it.
Jenn:And so for me, I always, again, I find that fascinating and interesting.
Jenn:I've never seen a ghost, so, but I.
Jenn:I wanna get out there and I wanna, and like I said, I
Jenn:went to Devil's Den by myself.
Jenn:I didn't see any ghosts.
Jenn:And you can watch a video and I, I even say in the video, if
Jenn:you see anything behind me in the video, I'm here by myself.
Jenn:But because of those types of stories, it's one of the most
Jenn:visited paranormal places.
Jenn:And that's where you'll see all these ghost hunters go to Devil's Den of
Jenn:all places that will go to Devil's Den more than any other location
Scott:You and I were talking before we went live here we
Scott:interviewed history Eddie from
Jenn:history?
Jenn:Mm-hmm.
Jenn:Mm-hmm.
Scott:And he's a Reenactor.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:So he's, he's pretty big on, in Instagram if you look him up.
Scott:History Unlimited But he's a reenactor.
Scott:He's been doing it And he told us a story once where he actually got mistaken at
Scott:for a ghost in Gettysburg because he was out there one year for a reenactment.
Eddie:My, my favorite Gettysburg Ghost story real quick is the Ghost
Eddie:story where I was actually the Ghost and we were, yeah, we were
Eddie:down there for the filming Okay.
Eddie:Of the movie Gettysburg.
Eddie:And, you know, reenacters we're funny people.
Eddie:We like to dress up on our uniforms, even though we're not reenacting
Eddie:We go out to dinner and everything, go bars and all that.
Eddie:I just happened to go out into the national cemetery out there and was
Eddie:walking around and there was this newlywed couple that was at the hotel we were
Eddie:staying at, and my parents are outside and I come walking out of the cemetery.
Eddie:And I'm in my full union uniform, my sword, my ashes, plumed
Eddie:hat and everything like that.
Eddie:And cool.
Eddie:All of a sudden the married couple turns around and freaks out . And they ran
Eddie:to the manager and said that I, they saw a ghost coming outta the cemetery.
Eddie:So the manager comes back and I had gone into the, the room thinking that
Eddie:I didn't know what was going on, right?
Eddie:So I come out with the.
Eddie:and they look like they have literally seen the ghosts.
Eddie:They're all p My parents are like, oh, that's just my son.
Eddie:Mm-hmm.
Eddie:, you know?
Eddie:Oh my God.
Eddie:We're gonna leave, you know,
Eddie:.
Eddie:and just beelined back into the hotel and they were just freaked out.
Eddie:And apparently they mistook him for a ghost walking out of the cemetery.
Eddie:In period.
Eddie:Gar.
Eddie:And he had been in it all day.
Eddie:So he was kind of just like sweaty and stuff like that.
Eddie:And he just laughs about it.
Eddie:And he found about, he found out about it because like he had walked into the
Eddie:hotel and he was in the hotel lobby.
Eddie:of.
Eddie:Being normal.
Eddie:Yeah.
Eddie:And the, I think the hotel
Jenn:So, speaking of the cemetery, there is a ghost story
Jenn:associated with the cemetery.
Jenn:So they said there was a soldier, William Edward Miller.
Jenn:He was an American soldier who fought with the Union Army in the Civil War,
Jenn:and he received the highest award for For bravery during combat, the Medal of Honor
Jenn:for actions at Taken on July 3rd during the Battle of Gettysburg, he was ordered
Jenn:to keep his company stationed on a hill.
Jenn:He disobeyed these orders and led a surprise attack against a Confederate
Jenn:charge, and he said to have saved Gettysburg for his decision to break rank.
Jenn:And he was claiming to be the first time in military history where soldier was
Jenn:awarded for disobeying a direct order.
Jenn:So he later passes away.
Jenn:He's later buried at the Gettysburg Cemetery, but his marker doesn't identify
Jenn:him as a Medal of Honor recipient.
Scott:Which that's not I mean, it's not unheard of.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:Cause today we, they do that.
Jenn:So in, back in the day, that wasn't a norm.
Jenn:It wasn't, it wasn't a norm if you were awarded the medal of Honor for it to
Jenn:automatically be put on your tombstone.
Jenn:Now it is.
Jenn:Now.
Jenn:Usually they do 'em in gold writing.
Jenn:We talked about Dy Murphy didn't want his in gold writing, but his
Jenn:still says Medal of Honor on it, and so they replaced everybody who
Jenn:has received the Medal of Honor.
Jenn:Everyone's tombstone has been replaced.
Jenn:If it's okay with their family with gold writing Medal of
Jenn:Honor, and it says, It on there.
Jenn:And so the story was until his tombstone was replaced and he was identified
Jenn:as a Medal of Honor recipient.
Jenn:He wandered the graveyard, his ghost wandered the graveyard.
Jenn:And so, so that was like we were standing at the cemetery.
Jenn:We went to his grave.
Jenn:His grave is, is right when you first walk into the cemetery.
Jenn:It's to the right.
Jenn:So it's a very easy one to find.
Jenn:And you stand there and you look at it and, and the tour guide,
Jenn:like before this identified him as a Medal of Honor recipient.
Jenn:His ghost would wander the graveyard waiting to be I, recognized
Jenn:or his valor at Gettysburg.
Jenn:So I thought that was pretty interesting
Scott:I, I mean, I, I a part of me, I alluded to it in the
Scott:beginning that I would always
Jenn:Mm-hmm.
Scott:after a while, the one part I did appreciate is the
Scott:theatrics of the, of the tour guide.
Scott:Especially if they were one of the better can kind of really get you into the
Scott:story like that, they always usually get a chuckle or two, out of the like that.
Scott:So, so that, that always is
Jenn:And they really do get into it.
Jenn:And it is, you feel you're there.
Jenn:You're being entertained, right?
Jenn:Because you're paying for this ghost tour and you wanna learn
Jenn:about the people of that time.
Jenn:I
Scott:I can totally see you giving a hundred percent.
Jenn:I would like to be the people who like sit at the gravestone and dress up as
Jenn:the person who died and tell their story.
Jenn:I like
Scott:a, like more, more reenactor
Jenn:more reenactor.
Jenn:That was something I would be interested in doing.
Jenn:So one of those stories that I learned a lot of that day was General Reynolds.
Jenn:So when you first walk into the Gettysburg veteran National Cemetery, now the one
Jenn:where those soldiers are buried, there's a huge statue when you first walk in.
Jenn:It says General Reynolds on it.
Jenn:And General Reynolds is the first general.
Jenn:Killed at Gettysburg.
Jenn:He's killed that first day and he's killed.
Jenn:He leads his men on a charge and he's shot pretty much right
Jenn:away in the back of the head.
Jenn:And the ghost story they tell around him.
Jenn:So I learned much more about him because I didn't know a lot about him.
Jenn:He's not buried there.
Jenn:He's actually buried in his hometown of Lancaster, Pennsylvania.
Scott:He's not as much of a household name when it
Jenn:burg, no, but the ghost story was significant.
Jenn:So at 2 37 Steiner, which is like the intersection of the two main roads
Jenn:there in downtown of Gettysburg with a lot of the first day battle took
Jenn:place, is an old stone building, and now they do old time photographs in there.
Jenn:But that building was there.
Jenn:During the Battle of Gettysburg, and when Reynolds is killed, his
Jenn:body is brought into that building.
Jenn:Now the story goes, and this part of the story is true, is he had a fiance
Jenn:her name was Kate Hewitt, and they had not told their families they were
Jenn:engaged yet because, One was Catholic, one was Protestant, and they had
Jenn:been writing letters to each other.
Jenn:She had his West point ring.
Jenn:He had a locket of her hair and a, and like a gold charm from her that he wore.
Jenn:And so the first time the families even learned of her was when they got his body
Jenn:and they found trinkets of her on him and then contacted her, and then she met them.
Jenn:On July 3rd, so not two days later, right?
Jenn:She lived in Maryland, so not far.
Jenn:And then he's buried on July 4th.
Jenn:So really when you think about it, it happens really quickly.
Jenn:Now, the story goes.
Jenn:She was on her way to Gettysburg to meet him, to have a rendezvous because
Jenn:nobody quite knew that this battle was gonna take place in Gettysburg.
Jenn:And she gets there just as he's been killed.
Jenn:And so she sits with his body in that kitchen of that stone
Jenn:building there on that street.
Jenn:And weeps and cries with him.
Jenn:And the story goes, you can walk by that building at night sometime and see the
Jenn:light on in the back kitchen and a woman in a period dress crying and weeping.
Jenn:Well, the truth is she didn't even know he had died.
Jenn:She didn't find out until her fam, his family had gotten his body,
Jenn:found the things on him, and was able to get in touch with her.
Jenn:And that's when they all met.
Jenn:When she comes to Lancaster.
Jenn:To meet the family for the funeral is when she sees his body for the first time dead
Jenn:and the family learns of who she is now.
Jenn:She never married.
Jenn:She joins a nunnery.
Jenn:They vowed it.
Jenn:If they didn't marry each other, they would never marry, and so she doesn't.
Jenn:But that's a part of the story that has some fact,
Scott:but the story kind of grew longer legs
Jenn:Yes.
Jenn:Yes.
Jenn:And then if you're ever walking by that building and you see a light on, you're
Jenn:like, is this the ghost back there?
Jenn:Right When, so his body was taken to that building, and that in itself could be a
Jenn:ghost story, but to embellish it with this tragic love story, which is a true, tragic
Jenn:love story, but to put her in that place as well, and to put her as part of that
Jenn:whole story I thought was interesting.
Jenn:But I learned about that story because of.
Jenn:The Ghost which again, another reason why I love Ghost
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:And if you're, if you are interested in getting out to Gettysburg, right?
Scott:You're listening to this and you're driving up there for the summer or
Scott:something like that, and you, you want to do a a ghost tour, I will
Scott:link the, the company that you used, I think we linked them in our video.
Scott:Yeah.
Jenn:Gettysburg Ghost
Scott:Getty Gettysburg Goes tour.
Scott:So I'll, I'll put that link in the, the show notes description.
Scott:If, if you're curious.
Scott:So, so definitely
Jenn:Yeah, they were fantastic.
Jenn:I definitely would taking, taking it goes tour cause something, it's something to
Jenn:do at night cuz I'm like, I tell people.
Jenn:The battlefield is closed right at night, so you could find a talk if you could go
Jenn:to one of the museums or one of the local pro universities there and find someone
Jenn:giving a lecture, if not to a ghost tour.
Jenn:But another great place to go would be Dobbins House, and that's another ghost
Jenn:story is of centered around this house.
Jenn:So doin House Tavern, also located on Steiner Avenue, 89 Steiner Avenue is.
Jenn:The oldest house in Gettysburg, it was an old tavern.
Jenn:It was built in 1776, and it was for Reverend Alexander Dobbin and
Jenn:his family, and he had 10 kids.
Jenn:His wife passes away and then he marries a widow with nine kids.
Jenn:So this is 19, 19, 19 kids.
Scott:God
Jenn:So, They open a school as well.
Jenn:Why not?
Jenn:I have 19 kids.
Jenn:Might as well open a school, right?
Jenn:So the second floor of Dobbins House becomes a school.
Jenn:It's also a stop on the Underground Railroad, although
Jenn:that has not been substantiated.
Jenn:People do believe because he was a pastor and because it was a very.
Jenn:Active Tavern.
Jenn:It was a good stop on the Underground Railroad today.
Jenn:It's like a five star restaurant.
Jenn:If you want something to do in the evening, go to Darwin Tavern,
Jenn:have some great food, have some great alcohol, have a great time
Jenn:like, and you can sit outside.
Jenn:And it's just a really great location right in the heart of Gettysburg with
Jenn:a ton of and ghost stories around it.
Jenn:So because of the children associated with the family and the school, they
Jenn:claim that there is children, ghost children who run around the tavern.
Scott:Is that, is that the one where people say that?
Scott:building?
Scott:Yeah, it
Jenn:like a little finger had been
Scott:Like little kid fingers have
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:Icing
Jenn:cowing the cake or and I, I mean, honestly, if I was a chef there,
Jenn:I'd be doing that to all the
Jenn:Because first of all, I'd want to eat the icing and then I'm
Jenn:gonna keep up this ghost story.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:I don't know how that got there.
Scott:I swear I just finished this cake.
Jenn:Yes.
Jenn:And then there's a African American child that they see who might have
Jenn:been associated with the Underground Railroad who also, it makes their
Jenn:presence known, I guess, in Bin's house.
Jenn:But one of the cool things they do have there, that is actually something
Jenn:you can see with your own eyes is at night, there's a silhouette on the
Jenn:second floor from the rocks that looks like a silhouette of Abraham Lincoln.
Jenn:mm-hmm.
Scott:and I actually show it.
Scott:It's, it's, it's pretty clear in the video.
Scott:So again, if you wanna go check out the video after you listen to the
Scott:podcast I'll link it in the show notes.
Scott:But it's, it's very clear and, and you look at it, you're like,
Jenn:yes.
Jenn:So, if you're.
Jenn:Visiting Gettysburg, I would recommend spend your day Battlefield.
Jenn:Definitely do a tour and definitely try to get there early if you wanna have
Jenn:some alone time on the battlefield.
Jenn:But at night you can do one of these ghost tours.
Jenn:You can go to Dobbins Tavern for dinner and there'll be more stories to tell.
Jenn:Like I didn't really get into Jenny Wade house.
Jenn:They did tell the story about Jenny Wade house being haunted by Jenny Wade
Jenn:herself, who shot through the back while she's making bread in the house.
Jenn:Because I said the battle took place right on that main street, that first day.
Jenn:And you'll learn about Jenny Wade, and she's also buried right
Jenn:there in the Evergreen Cemetery.
Jenn:So basically right across the But yeah, I definitely recommend
Jenn:the Gettysburg Ghost tours.
Jenn:We did a candlelight tour, I did a cry battle tour, and they were pretty awesome.
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