Jenn:

It was very foggy and they were jogging the battlefield right

Jenn:

by Devil's Den and they saw what they thought were two reenacters.

Jenn:

And they were very dirty, she said, and they were like torn.

Jenn:

The clothes were torn and they looked like they were just.

Jenn:

Haggard and grown out beers and stuff and just was like, wow.

Jenn:

And she even said to her dad, they're really into it.

Jenn:

And they were on the other side of the road as they were jogging, and they didn't

Jenn:

really even look at them or engage them.

Jenn:

And she said her dad waved, but they didn't even really look up.

Jenn:

And they just kept going and they didn't even think anything of it.

Jenn:

Well then that night they're taking a ghost tour bus tour

Jenn:

and the tour guide said, I.

Jenn:

We're about to come onto the where the most seen ghosts are seen here at

Jenn:

Gettysburg, right here by Devil's Den.

Jenn:

It's two older rebels leaving Battle.

Jenn:

People see them on this side of the road walking this way.

Jenn:

They're seen constantly here at Gettysburg, and she said her and her dad.

Jenn:

Just looked at each other and were like, oh my gosh.

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that we corrected later on in the conversation.

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Yeah.

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They just kinda just

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Yeah.

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I remember they had carved coa into

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Jenn:

Period.

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Mm-hmm.

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And no one knew what happened to him.

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That's why they called the lost colony, lost colon.

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But we surmised that they probably packed up and left.

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Yeah.

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Jenn:

Yes.

Jenn:

I was approached by someone at the Battle of Little Bighorn, like the

Jenn:

most farthest out parking lot at the Battle of Little Bighorn national Park.

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So it was pretty awesome.

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Took a picture

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Yeah, and I believe that was, it was Robbie Bryant.

Jenn:

Robbie Bryant.

Jenn:

Mm-hmm.

Scott:

very nice.

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He said, oh yeah, I saw your stuff when you were working

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And if you watched any history on YouTube, you've probably seen

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so that was just really cool.

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We told him we'd give him a little shout out.

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And then also while we were driving around the country, we kind of wrote our

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Jenn:

Yes.

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We made the history, mobile

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mobile.

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And we created a Venmo.

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And if you wanna use as you can, the Venmo is just at walk with history,

Jenn:

mm-hmm.

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spaces.

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Scott:

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And if you know the, the Western.

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Kind of part of the country from Montana down the I 90 is a very

Scott:

long kind of, east, west Highway.

Jenn:

But the most northern

Jenn:

one,

Scott:

I think Sydney donated a couple bucks.

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And then your friend Lisa, actually donated to our Venmo

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after we posted the picture on

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Facebook.

Jenn:

Yeah.

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And she's a realtor in the Virginia area a top-notch realtor.

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So if you real estate information or advice, she's

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the person to go to Lisa Lynch

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If you see us, please feel free to say hello on our Venmo, which

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For the longest time when Jen and I were dating in our early years of marriage,

Scott:

she would drag me along these ghost and I.

Scott:

Not being particularly houses or ghost stories.

Scott:

I, I never really knew why.

Jenn:

mm-hmm.

Scott:

would do it

Jenn:

do.

Scott:

And then about a year ago, maybe 18 months ago, we went to Colonial

Scott:

Williamsburg and did a ghost tour walking near George With's house.

Scott:

Mm-hmm.

Scott:

And I finally realized, Jen, why you like doing Go ghost tours so much is

Scott:

because they're all about history.

Scott:

So Jen, you've done a lot of ghost tours, but tonight we're actually talking about

Jenn:

Yes.

Scott:

So let's talk about Gettysburg and

Jenn:

Sure.

Jenn:

Yeah, you're right.

Jenn:

We have a lot of history of ghost tours every place we live.

Jenn:

San Diego.

Jenn:

San Diego claims to have the most haunted house in America.

Jenn:

We dumped them in Dublin and Colonial Williamsburg, which we

Jenn:

learned all about George with.

Jenn:

We didn't really know about him until that ghost tour,

Scott:

and, and that's, that, that was kind of the light bulb moment for me.

Scott:

Now, it only took what.

Scott:

13, years of marriage for me to finally figure that out, that the

Scott:

reason that you like these Ghost tours so much is so much history.

Scott:

Because really if you've ever been on a ghost tour, and if you're listening, we'd

Scott:

be curious to hear kind of what ghost, what your favorite ghost tours have been.

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

But you go on the Ghost tour and they tell you all about what happened,

Scott:

and obviously But it's all history.

Jenn:

It's history.

Jenn:

You gotta make sure, so it's, it's, I would say it's.

Jenn:

Foundational history.

Jenn:

You've gotta make sure the story is true.

Jenn:

So we'll talk about something that even in the Gettysburg Ghost Tour, that's not

Jenn:

exactly true, but it embellishes the story so it makes it even more romanticized.

Jenn:

So you gotta make sure that the history is accurate.

Jenn:

But when you do listen to the ghost story and you go back to research

Jenn:

it on your own, it usually has some facts, some historic fact to it.

Jenn:

And that's what I love most about the

Scott:

Yeah, there, there's, there's some historic fact and then

Scott:

there's obviously like local lore.

Scott:

Yes.

Scott:

What people said, rumors,

Jenn:

And then Gettysburg is known for its ghost tour.

Jenn:

So yeah.

Jenn:

so

Scott:

so talk about Gettysburg, the time that you went out to this one.

Scott:

I actually wasn't

Jenn:

there.

Jenn:

You weren't there with me.

Jenn:

I did a three day well we did a three part series to this.

Jenn:

Do we talk about Strong Vincents.

Jenn:

I think I just do a little overview of Gettysburg, or I do

Jenn:

the Gettysburg address because,

Scott:

went to the location

Jenn:

where he spoke in the Evergreen Cemetery, which is not

Jenn:

actually in the National Cemetery.

Jenn:

He's actually sitting in the Evergreen Cemetery, which is the,

Jenn:

the civilian cemetery of Gettysburg.

Jenn:

And then we did a ghost tour, and I always wanted to do a ghost tour.

Jenn:

So if you remember Gettysburg, it's happening July 1st,

Jenn:

second, and third, 1863.

Jenn:

It will have the most casualties of any battle in the Civil

Jenn:

War, so the most killed.

Jenn:

And because it happens so fast and because, Lee retreats and

Jenn:

the union basically chases him.

Jenn:

There's not a lot of time to bury the dead, so a lot happens

Jenn:

to the dead in this timeframe.

Jenn:

They're left outside for long periods of time.

Jenn:

This is July.

Jenn:

This is Pennsylvania and the humidity bloated body.

Jenn:

So a lot of times, The initial battle.

Jenn:

First couple weeks after, they just buried people where they

Jenn:

lie, like they would go out to the battlefield and just bury graves.

Jenn:

Then later they disinterred those graves and put them in the cemetery,

Jenn:

the national cemetery

Jenn:

there.

Jenn:

Then they disinterred most of those Confederate graves and took those back to

Jenn:

places like Hollywood Cemetery Richmond.

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

Closer.

Scott:

Closer to home

Jenn:

So they took the Confederates back.

Jenn:

So people have been moved often in Gettysburg and that doesn't mean

Jenn:

that they don't find the random body here and there cuz they do.

Jenn:

And it doesn't mean they got everybody.

Jenn:

And with all that death comes these ghost plus it.

Jenn:

There's a lot of unknown Yeah.

Jenn:

Soldiers

Scott:

I, I think that's where a lot of it starts to stem the unknown.

Scott:

And there's a couple questions, and then someone and boof.

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

All of a sudden you have a

Jenn:

Yeah.

Scott:

ghost

Jenn:

So, so many of these men are unidentified, right?

Jenn:

And so nobody knows for sure how many.

Jenn:

And then who, and one of the stories we start off with is Is

Jenn:

a unidentified soldier who dies holding a photograph, right?

Jenn:

And so this photograph is found by a young girl, and she takes it back to

Jenn:

her tavern, and this journalist sees the photograph and he is I should

Jenn:

run that photograph in the paper.

Scott:

a, it's a photo, was it three kids or like a wife and

Jenn:

No, it's three children.

Jenn:

Three children and two boys and a girl.

Jenn:

And like it, the, it looks like the two older children are on either side

Jenn:

of a younger boy in the middle and the person dies holding this picture.

Jenn:

And so there's no other distinguishing facts about this

Jenn:

body except for that picture.

Jenn:

So they run the picture in the paper.

Jenn:

Now you remember the Gettysburg happens in July.

Jenn:

Picture is run in October and identified in October, and

Jenn:

they identify it as Amos Ton.

Jenn:

And his wife sees the picture and recognizes him.

Jenn:

So she hasn't heard from him from since July.

Jenn:

Oh,

Scott:

Oh

Jenn:

So

Jenn:

so July to October.

Jenn:

This is when she sees the picture.

Jenn:

And I'm not saying that was common, but it's more common than not common.

Jenn:

And at least she knows that's where he died.

Jenn:

Sure.

Jenn:

Because how else would you know where your significant other fell?

Jenn:

You don't know.

Jenn:

And that's where these unknown soldiers would

Scott:

sure what happened a lot back then husband never came home.

Jenn:

Never came home.

Jenn:

And so you didn't really know where, this is the last letter you got and

Jenn:

hopefully someone knew him or saw him, or maybe you got a story, maybe you didn't.

Jenn:

Who knows?

Jenn:

When she actually, she sees this picture of the, these three children

Jenn:

I'm standing kind of outside the cemetery doors, that's where they

Jenn:

believe that he fell in that area there.

Jenn:

There was a lot of fighting right there on that main street, that first day.

Jenn:

That's Baltimore street.

Jenn:

And right where I'm standing is not only where they believe he died, but it's

Jenn:

also what would become the orphanage.

Jenn:

And that orphanage is basically like an orphanage and.

Jenn:

Widow's house for the people of Gettysburg or the Battle of Gettysburg.

Jenn:

And so, Huston's wife actually will be the first mistress

Jenn:

of that house with her three

Scott:

And, and if, and if folks are curious to watch the video, so you can

Scott:

see what, what Jen's talking about, I will link our three part series in the, the

Scott:

video, the description of this podcast.

Scott:

So in your podcast player, you can, you can find that, or you can go to

Scott:

our, our channel But if you're curious to watch the videos after this to, to

Scott:

kind of see what we're talking about

Jenn:

Yes.

Jenn:

So that's basically, and I'm gonna get into this first Ghost story.

Jenn:

So this national Homestead of Gettysburg, also called the Gettysburg Orphanage.

Jenn:

A Widow's Home opens in October of 1866.

Jenn:

So this is three years after the Battle Gettysburg.

Jenn:

The first matron is Huston's widow.

Jenn:

Her three children are there and it's.

Jenn:

People say, they really love her.

Jenn:

She does a great job.

Jenn:

But then it's the second person after she leaves, she's replaced by a

Jenn:

Rosa Carmichael, and that's when the history takes a turn for the worse.

Jenn:

And this is where all the haunting stories come from because

Jenn:

she's a cruel disciplinarian.

Jenn:

She has a dungeon in the bottom of the orphanage.

Jenn:

She abuses children down there.

Jenn:

If they're bad,

Scott:

just kind of reported later because she got in

Jenn:

Yes.

Jenn:

Yes.

Jenn:

And she got in a lot of trouble.

Jenn:

And it's actually, so we, our ghost tour takes you like kind of behind and they

Jenn:

say there's been people witnessing kids' faces in the windows and things like that.

Jenn:

And so it's a popular spot for paranormal investigators.

Jenn:

Ghost hunting, ghost Adventures came, spent the night in the basement trying

Jenn:

to communicate with Carmichael's ghost.

Jenn:

It's also been featured in other

Scott:

That's like one, one of those shows or

Jenn:

of those shows.

Scott:

the shows has actually tried

Jenn:

Yes.

Jenn:

So you can't, right now it's not open for tours inside, but

Jenn:

it's part of the ghost tour.

Jenn:

Outside, walk around.

Jenn:

Mm-hmm.

Jenn:

And you're right in the center of the action there.

Jenn:

So remember if you go to that orphanage, you're right beside the

Jenn:

cemetery, which is right across from Cemetery Hill, cemetery Ridge, where

Jenn:

that first day of battle took place.

Jenn:

You're kind of cattycorner to the Jenny Wade house.

Jenn:

That's the only civilian casualty of Gettysburg.

Jenn:

And so you're right in the center of everything right there, so that most

Jenn:

ghost tours are gonna take you on that.

Jenn:

Property and tell you the story of the orphanage, tell you the story of

Jenn:

the terrible head mistress and some of those graphic stories, and then

Jenn:

the haunting of the children today

Scott:

No, that's, that, that was an interesting one.

Scott:

It sounded, and there's a couple, is, was there a couple kind of ghost

Scott:

tours or was that kind of the, the primary one there in Gettysburg?

Jenn:

So there's a couple, I did two of them.

Jenn:

Yeah, I did a daytime one and I did a nighttime one.

Jenn:

And of course there's a couple different companies and we'll talk

Jenn:

about the company that I used.

Jenn:

But it, you can do many different ones and like I said, we really

Jenn:

didn't venture onto the battlefield.

Jenn:

You aren't allowed to go on the battlefield after.

Jenn:

Sundown.

Jenn:

Oh, really?

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

So the ghost stories have to kind of stay on the, you stand on the outside

Jenn:

of the battlefield and talk about it, but they claim that Gettysburg is one

Jenn:

of the most haunted places because of all the people that died there.

Jenn:

And so you'll see many ghosts.

Jenn:

Shows where they put microphones at Devil's Den, because it was a,

Jenn:

a strong influence of of rebels who were killed at Devil's Den.

Scott:

we, we had a, we had our friend Courtney.

Scott:

Yes.

Scott:

Do you wanna talk, you, do you want to kind of tell her

Jenn:

Sure.

Jenn:

So I always say, So the microphone at Devil's done, I was just gonna

Jenn:

tell you, they, they catch, they, they claim to catch people yelling

Jenn:

at night or, people whispering to each other, things along that nature.

Jenn:

You can watch any of those on TV and you can decide for yourself.

Jenn:

My friend Courtney.

Jenn:

So I love Gettysburg.

Jenn:

We've talked about this.

Jenn:

I love going at the golden hour.

Jenn:

That's the first hour after sunrise.

Jenn:

That's when the park opens, parks, opens sunrise to sunset.

Jenn:

And so if you can get out there early, if you stay at a place

Jenn:

close enough and you can get out.

Jenn:

To the battlefield, right as the sun rises like I did.

Jenn:

You can jog it and it's a beautiful jog and it's a great place.

Jenn:

It's safe and it's groomed and nobody's there.

Jenn:

It's like you have the place to yourself.

Jenn:

If you see our video from Gettysburg, I'm at Devil's Den by myself.

Jenn:

I mean, that's really unheard of, especially in the summer.

Jenn:

I wasn't there and I was in September, but in the summer, to be anywhere

Jenn:

in Gettysburg by herself is rare.

Jenn:

So my friend Courtney, your friend Courtney, we know her from the

Jenn:

Navy, went to the Naval Academy.

Jenn:

And she would meet her dad sometimes in Gettysburg to jog

Jenn:

the battlefield cuz it was close.

Jenn:

It's close enough to DC and it's a great, like I said, it's a

Jenn:

great jog and one morning dusk.

Jenn:

It was very foggy and they were jogging the battlefield right

Jenn:

by Devil's Den and they saw what they thought were two reenacters.

Jenn:

Again, the park's only open from sunrise to sunset, and they had

Jenn:

just gotten there at sunrise.

Jenn:

So doesn't mean that it's not reenacted out there at sunrise, it's just why.

Jenn:

And they were very dirty, she said, and they were like torn.

Jenn:

The clothes were torn and they looked like they were just.

Jenn:

Haggard and grown out beers and stuff and just was like, wow.

Jenn:

And she even said to her dad, they're really into it.

Jenn:

And they were on the other side of the road as they were jogging, and they didn't

Jenn:

really even look at them or engage them.

Jenn:

And she said her dad waved, but they didn't even really look up.

Jenn:

And they just kept going and they didn't even think anything of it.

Jenn:

Well then that night they're taking a ghost tour bus tour and the bus tour

Jenn:

is, it's before the sun goes down.

Jenn:

They're allowed, they were driving the battlefield and the tour guide said, I.

Jenn:

We're about to come onto the where the most seen ghosts are seen here at

Jenn:

Gettysburg, right here by Devil's Den.

Jenn:

It's two older rebels leaving Battle.

Jenn:

People see them on this side of the road walking this way.

Jenn:

They're seen constantly here at Gettysburg, and she said her and her dad.

Jenn:

Just looked at each other and were like, oh my gosh.

Jenn:

And the way the tour driver described them, it was like the description was

Jenn:

to a t of the two men that they saw.

Jenn:

And she said, she said it makes her hair stand up even when she

Jenn:

thinks about it and talks about it.

Jenn:

And so for me, I always, again, I find that fascinating and interesting.

Jenn:

I've never seen a ghost, so, but I.

Jenn:

I wanna get out there and I wanna, and like I said, I

Jenn:

went to Devil's Den by myself.

Jenn:

I didn't see any ghosts.

Jenn:

And you can watch a video and I, I even say in the video, if

Jenn:

you see anything behind me in the video, I'm here by myself.

Jenn:

But because of those types of stories, it's one of the most

Jenn:

visited paranormal places.

Jenn:

And that's where you'll see all these ghost hunters go to Devil's Den of

Jenn:

all places that will go to Devil's Den more than any other location

Scott:

You and I were talking before we went live here we

Scott:

interviewed history Eddie from

Jenn:

history?

Jenn:

Mm-hmm.

Jenn:

Mm-hmm.

Scott:

And he's a Reenactor.

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

So he's, he's pretty big on, in Instagram if you look him up.

Scott:

History Unlimited But he's a reenactor.

Scott:

He's been doing it And he told us a story once where he actually got mistaken at

Scott:

for a ghost in Gettysburg because he was out there one year for a reenactment.

Eddie:

My, my favorite Gettysburg Ghost story real quick is the Ghost

Eddie:

story where I was actually the Ghost and we were, yeah, we were

Eddie:

down there for the filming Okay.

Eddie:

Of the movie Gettysburg.

Eddie:

And, you know, reenacters we're funny people.

Eddie:

We like to dress up on our uniforms, even though we're not reenacting

Eddie:

We go out to dinner and everything, go bars and all that.

Eddie:

I just happened to go out into the national cemetery out there and was

Eddie:

walking around and there was this newlywed couple that was at the hotel we were

Eddie:

staying at, and my parents are outside and I come walking out of the cemetery.

Eddie:

And I'm in my full union uniform, my sword, my ashes, plumed

Eddie:

hat and everything like that.

Eddie:

And cool.

Eddie:

All of a sudden the married couple turns around and freaks out . And they ran

Eddie:

to the manager and said that I, they saw a ghost coming outta the cemetery.

Eddie:

So the manager comes back and I had gone into the, the room thinking that

Eddie:

I didn't know what was going on, right?

Eddie:

So I come out with the.

Eddie:

and they look like they have literally seen the ghosts.

Eddie:

They're all p My parents are like, oh, that's just my son.

Eddie:

Mm-hmm.

Eddie:

, you know?

Eddie:

Oh my God.

Eddie:

We're gonna leave, you know,

Eddie:

.

Eddie:

and just beelined back into the hotel and they were just freaked out.

Eddie:

And apparently they mistook him for a ghost walking out of the cemetery.

Eddie:

In period.

Eddie:

Gar.

Eddie:

And he had been in it all day.

Eddie:

So he was kind of just like sweaty and stuff like that.

Eddie:

And he just laughs about it.

Eddie:

And he found about, he found out about it because like he had walked into the

Eddie:

hotel and he was in the hotel lobby.

Eddie:

of.

Eddie:

Being normal.

Eddie:

Yeah.

Eddie:

And the, I think the hotel

Jenn:

So, speaking of the cemetery, there is a ghost story

Jenn:

associated with the cemetery.

Jenn:

So they said there was a soldier, William Edward Miller.

Jenn:

He was an American soldier who fought with the Union Army in the Civil War,

Jenn:

and he received the highest award for For bravery during combat, the Medal of Honor

Jenn:

for actions at Taken on July 3rd during the Battle of Gettysburg, he was ordered

Jenn:

to keep his company stationed on a hill.

Jenn:

He disobeyed these orders and led a surprise attack against a Confederate

Jenn:

charge, and he said to have saved Gettysburg for his decision to break rank.

Jenn:

And he was claiming to be the first time in military history where soldier was

Jenn:

awarded for disobeying a direct order.

Jenn:

So he later passes away.

Jenn:

He's later buried at the Gettysburg Cemetery, but his marker doesn't identify

Jenn:

him as a Medal of Honor recipient.

Scott:

Which that's not I mean, it's not unheard of.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

Cause today we, they do that.

Jenn:

So in, back in the day, that wasn't a norm.

Jenn:

It wasn't, it wasn't a norm if you were awarded the medal of Honor for it to

Jenn:

automatically be put on your tombstone.

Jenn:

Now it is.

Jenn:

Now.

Jenn:

Usually they do 'em in gold writing.

Jenn:

We talked about Dy Murphy didn't want his in gold writing, but his

Jenn:

still says Medal of Honor on it, and so they replaced everybody who

Jenn:

has received the Medal of Honor.

Jenn:

Everyone's tombstone has been replaced.

Jenn:

If it's okay with their family with gold writing Medal of

Jenn:

Honor, and it says, It on there.

Jenn:

And so the story was until his tombstone was replaced and he was identified

Jenn:

as a Medal of Honor recipient.

Jenn:

He wandered the graveyard, his ghost wandered the graveyard.

Jenn:

And so, so that was like we were standing at the cemetery.

Jenn:

We went to his grave.

Jenn:

His grave is, is right when you first walk into the cemetery.

Jenn:

It's to the right.

Jenn:

So it's a very easy one to find.

Jenn:

And you stand there and you look at it and, and the tour guide,

Jenn:

like before this identified him as a Medal of Honor recipient.

Jenn:

His ghost would wander the graveyard waiting to be I, recognized

Jenn:

or his valor at Gettysburg.

Jenn:

So I thought that was pretty interesting

Scott:

I, I mean, I, I a part of me, I alluded to it in the

Scott:

beginning that I would always

Jenn:

Mm-hmm.

Scott:

after a while, the one part I did appreciate is the

Scott:

theatrics of the, of the tour guide.

Scott:

Especially if they were one of the better can kind of really get you into the

Scott:

story like that, they always usually get a chuckle or two, out of the like that.

Scott:

So, so that, that always is

Jenn:

And they really do get into it.

Jenn:

And it is, you feel you're there.

Jenn:

You're being entertained, right?

Jenn:

Because you're paying for this ghost tour and you wanna learn

Jenn:

about the people of that time.

Jenn:

I

Scott:

I can totally see you giving a hundred percent.

Jenn:

I would like to be the people who like sit at the gravestone and dress up as

Jenn:

the person who died and tell their story.

Jenn:

I like

Scott:

a, like more, more reenactor

Jenn:

more reenactor.

Jenn:

That was something I would be interested in doing.

Jenn:

So one of those stories that I learned a lot of that day was General Reynolds.

Jenn:

So when you first walk into the Gettysburg veteran National Cemetery, now the one

Jenn:

where those soldiers are buried, there's a huge statue when you first walk in.

Jenn:

It says General Reynolds on it.

Jenn:

And General Reynolds is the first general.

Jenn:

Killed at Gettysburg.

Jenn:

He's killed that first day and he's killed.

Jenn:

He leads his men on a charge and he's shot pretty much right

Jenn:

away in the back of the head.

Jenn:

And the ghost story they tell around him.

Jenn:

So I learned much more about him because I didn't know a lot about him.

Jenn:

He's not buried there.

Jenn:

He's actually buried in his hometown of Lancaster, Pennsylvania.

Scott:

He's not as much of a household name when it

Jenn:

burg, no, but the ghost story was significant.

Jenn:

So at 2 37 Steiner, which is like the intersection of the two main roads

Jenn:

there in downtown of Gettysburg with a lot of the first day battle took

Jenn:

place, is an old stone building, and now they do old time photographs in there.

Jenn:

But that building was there.

Jenn:

During the Battle of Gettysburg, and when Reynolds is killed, his

Jenn:

body is brought into that building.

Jenn:

Now the story goes, and this part of the story is true, is he had a fiance

Jenn:

her name was Kate Hewitt, and they had not told their families they were

Jenn:

engaged yet because, One was Catholic, one was Protestant, and they had

Jenn:

been writing letters to each other.

Jenn:

She had his West point ring.

Jenn:

He had a locket of her hair and a, and like a gold charm from her that he wore.

Jenn:

And so the first time the families even learned of her was when they got his body

Jenn:

and they found trinkets of her on him and then contacted her, and then she met them.

Jenn:

On July 3rd, so not two days later, right?

Jenn:

She lived in Maryland, so not far.

Jenn:

And then he's buried on July 4th.

Jenn:

So really when you think about it, it happens really quickly.

Jenn:

Now, the story goes.

Jenn:

She was on her way to Gettysburg to meet him, to have a rendezvous because

Jenn:

nobody quite knew that this battle was gonna take place in Gettysburg.

Jenn:

And she gets there just as he's been killed.

Jenn:

And so she sits with his body in that kitchen of that stone

Jenn:

building there on that street.

Jenn:

And weeps and cries with him.

Jenn:

And the story goes, you can walk by that building at night sometime and see the

Jenn:

light on in the back kitchen and a woman in a period dress crying and weeping.

Jenn:

Well, the truth is she didn't even know he had died.

Jenn:

She didn't find out until her fam, his family had gotten his body,

Jenn:

found the things on him, and was able to get in touch with her.

Jenn:

And that's when they all met.

Jenn:

When she comes to Lancaster.

Jenn:

To meet the family for the funeral is when she sees his body for the first time dead

Jenn:

and the family learns of who she is now.

Jenn:

She never married.

Jenn:

She joins a nunnery.

Jenn:

They vowed it.

Jenn:

If they didn't marry each other, they would never marry, and so she doesn't.

Jenn:

But that's a part of the story that has some fact,

Scott:

but the story kind of grew longer legs

Jenn:

Yes.

Jenn:

Yes.

Jenn:

And then if you're ever walking by that building and you see a light on, you're

Jenn:

like, is this the ghost back there?

Jenn:

Right When, so his body was taken to that building, and that in itself could be a

Jenn:

ghost story, but to embellish it with this tragic love story, which is a true, tragic

Jenn:

love story, but to put her in that place as well, and to put her as part of that

Jenn:

whole story I thought was interesting.

Jenn:

But I learned about that story because of.

Jenn:

The Ghost which again, another reason why I love Ghost

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

And if you're, if you are interested in getting out to Gettysburg, right?

Scott:

You're listening to this and you're driving up there for the summer or

Scott:

something like that, and you, you want to do a a ghost tour, I will

Scott:

link the, the company that you used, I think we linked them in our video.

Scott:

Yeah.

Jenn:

Gettysburg Ghost

Scott:

Getty Gettysburg Goes tour.

Scott:

So I'll, I'll put that link in the, the show notes description.

Scott:

If, if you're curious.

Scott:

So, so definitely

Jenn:

Yeah, they were fantastic.

Jenn:

I definitely would taking, taking it goes tour cause something, it's something to

Jenn:

do at night cuz I'm like, I tell people.

Jenn:

The battlefield is closed right at night, so you could find a talk if you could go

Jenn:

to one of the museums or one of the local pro universities there and find someone

Jenn:

giving a lecture, if not to a ghost tour.

Jenn:

But another great place to go would be Dobbins House, and that's another ghost

Jenn:

story is of centered around this house.

Jenn:

So doin House Tavern, also located on Steiner Avenue, 89 Steiner Avenue is.

Jenn:

The oldest house in Gettysburg, it was an old tavern.

Jenn:

It was built in 1776, and it was for Reverend Alexander Dobbin and

Jenn:

his family, and he had 10 kids.

Jenn:

His wife passes away and then he marries a widow with nine kids.

Jenn:

So this is 19, 19, 19 kids.

Scott:

God

Jenn:

So, They open a school as well.

Jenn:

Why not?

Jenn:

I have 19 kids.

Jenn:

Might as well open a school, right?

Jenn:

So the second floor of Dobbins House becomes a school.

Jenn:

It's also a stop on the Underground Railroad, although

Jenn:

that has not been substantiated.

Jenn:

People do believe because he was a pastor and because it was a very.

Jenn:

Active Tavern.

Jenn:

It was a good stop on the Underground Railroad today.

Jenn:

It's like a five star restaurant.

Jenn:

If you want something to do in the evening, go to Darwin Tavern,

Jenn:

have some great food, have some great alcohol, have a great time

Jenn:

like, and you can sit outside.

Jenn:

And it's just a really great location right in the heart of Gettysburg with

Jenn:

a ton of and ghost stories around it.

Jenn:

So because of the children associated with the family and the school, they

Jenn:

claim that there is children, ghost children who run around the tavern.

Scott:

Is that, is that the one where people say that?

Scott:

building?

Scott:

Yeah, it

Jenn:

like a little finger had been

Scott:

Like little kid fingers have

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

Icing

Jenn:

cowing the cake or and I, I mean, honestly, if I was a chef there,

Jenn:

I'd be doing that to all the

Jenn:

Because first of all, I'd want to eat the icing and then I'm

Jenn:

gonna keep up this ghost story.

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

I don't know how that got there.

Scott:

I swear I just finished this cake.

Jenn:

Yes.

Jenn:

And then there's a African American child that they see who might have

Jenn:

been associated with the Underground Railroad who also, it makes their

Jenn:

presence known, I guess, in Bin's house.

Jenn:

But one of the cool things they do have there, that is actually something

Jenn:

you can see with your own eyes is at night, there's a silhouette on the

Jenn:

second floor from the rocks that looks like a silhouette of Abraham Lincoln.

Jenn:

mm-hmm.

Scott:

and I actually show it.

Scott:

It's, it's, it's pretty clear in the video.

Scott:

So again, if you wanna go check out the video after you listen to the

Scott:

podcast I'll link it in the show notes.

Scott:

But it's, it's very clear and, and you look at it, you're like,

Jenn:

yes.

Jenn:

So, if you're.

Jenn:

Visiting Gettysburg, I would recommend spend your day Battlefield.

Jenn:

Definitely do a tour and definitely try to get there early if you wanna have

Jenn:

some alone time on the battlefield.

Jenn:

But at night you can do one of these ghost tours.

Jenn:

You can go to Dobbins Tavern for dinner and there'll be more stories to tell.

Jenn:

Like I didn't really get into Jenny Wade house.

Jenn:

They did tell the story about Jenny Wade house being haunted by Jenny Wade

Jenn:

herself, who shot through the back while she's making bread in the house.

Jenn:

Because I said the battle took place right on that main street, that first day.

Jenn:

And you'll learn about Jenny Wade, and she's also buried right

Jenn:

there in the Evergreen Cemetery.

Jenn:

So basically right across the But yeah, I definitely recommend

Jenn:

the Gettysburg Ghost tours.

Jenn:

We did a candlelight tour, I did a cry battle tour, and they were pretty awesome.

Scott:

No, it's super fun and it's fun to talk about these.

Scott:

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Scott:

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