Trail running is growing fast.
Speaker AMore people running, more brands entering, more money flowing into the sport.
Speaker AOn paper, it looks like a breakout moment.
Speaker ABut here's the problem.
Speaker ASometimes what looks like growth is just investment.
Speaker AAn investment can disappear.
Speaker AYou can spend your way into momentum without ever building something that lasts.
Speaker AAnd part of the confusion is, is what we're seeing at the top, more sponsored runners.
Speaker ACourse records getting demolished because those runners have more time to run because of these sponsorships.
Speaker AThey're getting better and faster.
Speaker AA few big contracts are getting talked about.
Speaker AIt looks like a real professional sport is forming, but that layer is fragile because those contracts aren't being sustained by fans necessarily.
Speaker AThey're being sustained by investment.
Speaker AI do believe running is growing.
Speaker AIt's obvious it passes the eye test, but not in the way that people think.
Speaker ABecause there's a difference between more people doing something and building a sport.
Speaker APeople actually follow.
Speaker AAnd if you don't build that, there's nothing underneath it.
Speaker AAnd right now, trail running is scaling participation, but not fandom.
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Speaker AI want to be clear, this isn't fake growth.
Speaker AIt's just being misread.
Speaker ABecause if you zoom out, there are legit signals of growth.
Speaker ARaces are selling out faster than ever around the world.
Speaker AMore people are showing up at trailheads just to run.
Speaker AMore people are entering lotteries and not getting in from the outside.
Speaker AThat looks like a sport taking off.
Speaker AAnd in one sense, it is.
Speaker AOf course, trail running is growing as something people do, but participation doesn't automatically create a sport that people follow.
Speaker AAnd I think that's where the confusion starts.
Speaker AThe second signal is the brands.
Speaker AYou see more shoes.
Speaker AIt seems like they're popping up all the time.
Speaker ANew companies, more product drops, more marketing, more presence.
Speaker ASome of these companies are massive public companies.
Speaker AReal revenue, real margins.
Speaker AAnd that reinforces the same story.
Speaker AThis must be working.
Speaker ABut what that actually proves is that people want to buy trail products.
Speaker AIt proves demand for gear.
Speaker AIt does not prove that people are deeply engaged in following the sport itself.
Speaker AThen there's what's happening at the top.
Speaker AMore sponsored athletes, the faster times, records getting broken.
Speaker AYou hear about contracts getting bigger and bigger, and it starts to feel like something is really forming, like a real professional layer is emerging, bubbling beneath the surface and emerging.
Speaker ABut this is where it gets subtle, because that layer looks real before it.
Speaker AIt actually is real.
Speaker AWe're seeing the appearance of a professional sport before the foundation actually exists.
Speaker AAnd the foundation in any real sport is the fan, not the athlete.
Speaker APeople who watch, people who care, people who follow, people who open their wallet, because that attention does turn into money, and that money sustains the whole ecosystem.
Speaker AHere, it's different.
Speaker ARight now, brands are funding the professional layer without a fully built fan system underneath.
Speaker AAnd that creates a different kind of economy.
Speaker ARight now, brands can pay athletes because people buy gear that's tied to participation.
Speaker APeople run, people buy shoes.
Speaker ABrands grow, athletes get paid.
Speaker ABut that system has limits.
Speaker AYou can only run so much.
Speaker AYou can only buy so many pairs of shoes.
Speaker AParticipation is finite.
Speaker AProduct is cyclical.
Speaker AFandom is different.
Speaker AFandom compounds.
Speaker AIt gives people a reason to stay engaged, to care about outcomes, to follow stories, to spend money.
Speaker AOver time, you age out of participation, but you don't age out of fandom.
Speaker AJust think of the woman standing behind the bar and Ted Lasso.
Speaker AShe'd been a fan for a very long time.
Speaker AShe cared deeply.
Speaker AAnd when was the last time she played soccer?
Speaker AWe have no idea if she ever even did, because that's not the point of fandom.
Speaker AYou don't have to have played the sport to be a fan of the sport.
Speaker AParticipation builds the base.
Speaker ABut fandom here is what builds, builds our ceiling.
Speaker AAnd that ceiling hasn't been built yet.
Speaker AThis is where I think the definition of growth gets confused.
Speaker AExplosive growth in a sport isn't more people doing the sport, it's more people paying attention to it.
Speaker AMost people who watch soccer never played or played poorly at best, or on a little league team.
Speaker AMost people who follow Formula One have never driven a Formula one car.
Speaker AYou don't need to participate in a sport to be a fan of it.
Speaker AYou just need to be able to follow it.
Speaker AAnd right now, trail running hasn't figured that out yet.
Speaker AThere's no clear path from casual interest to invested fan.
Speaker AThere's no real point of entry, no obvious way to go from this.
Speaker ASeems interesting to.
Speaker AI follow this closely.
Speaker AThe fan experience doesn't feel designed.
Speaker AIt feels accidental in a very charming way, in a way that I think a lot of us actually like.
Speaker AAnd you feel that the moment you try, you turn on coverage, you try to understand what's happening.
Speaker AAnd unless you already know the athletes have some awareness of who is in this race, or you already know the course, or you already know the context, it breaks.
Speaker AYou don't know who matters.
Speaker AYou don't know what changed necessarily.
Speaker AAnd I know that everyone's trying their best.
Speaker ASo this is not intended to be shade.
Speaker AWe don't know who's on screen.
Speaker AWe don't know who the runners are.
Speaker AIt's hard.
Speaker AWe.
Speaker AWe try and figure out what they're wearing at the start line when we can see their faces.
Speaker AThen we try to, with the drone, say, okay, that person has orange tights on.
Speaker AThat must be Anthony Castalis, because he's.
Speaker AThat's Nike gear and so on.
Speaker AWe get it.
Speaker AIt's hard.
Speaker AAnd then the people who are on screen don't know anything more than the people who are in the chat.
Speaker AIn fact, you'll see sometimes if you're in that chat, the chat is informing the people on the screen of things.
Speaker AAnd that's charming.
Speaker ALike, I'm not saying that that's bad.
Speaker AThat's part of what we all love about it.
Speaker ABut that doesn't scale.
Speaker AThere's no continuity.
Speaker ARaces don't connect to each other.
Speaker AThere's no clear season.
Speaker AWe don't have jerseys.
Speaker ANo.
Speaker ANo structure that carries meaning from one event to the next.
Speaker AThere's no teams rooted in place.
Speaker AAnd the idea of team, A team and trail running is still being formed.
Speaker AYou can't.
Speaker AYou can miss everything and not feel like you've missed anything, because the sport is being built for the runner experience, not the fan experience.
Speaker AAnd I'm a runner, and so I've been really happy with this, to be honest.
Speaker ABut as I age and become just a fan, or more of a fan than a runner of the.
Speaker AOf the elite version of the sport, it.
Speaker AIt's hitting home race start times.
Speaker AThey're optimized for runners.
Speaker AA 6am start is not optimized for the fan.
Speaker ACourse design is optimized for runners, not for, let's say, visibility of cameras.
Speaker AThe experience on the ground is incredible if you're in it.
Speaker ALike, think about it.
Speaker ARVIPA being our greatest example of a growing race organization in America.
Speaker AThe people who run it love it.
Speaker AIt's incredible.
Speaker AAnd I get it.
Speaker AI understand why.
Speaker ABecause it's been built for the runner and not the fan.
Speaker AAnd that makes sense.
Speaker AIt's just that maybe times are changing now.
Speaker AThe experience on the ground is incredible if you're in it, but from the outside, it's just hard to follow.
Speaker AAnd that is important.
Speaker AAnd part of this is cultural.
Speaker AThe sport values closeness.
Speaker AIt values being inside.
Speaker AIt values the feeling that you're part of something.
Speaker AAnd in some ways, the inaccessibility is part of the appeal.
Speaker AIf it were easier to follow, it might not feel the same.
Speaker AThe confusion isn't just a flaw in some Cases.
Speaker AIt's part of the identity.
Speaker ABack to that word, charming.
Speaker AIt's part of how we think of ourselves as a community and that we're not fully buttoned up.
Speaker AWe're not corporate, we're not slick, we're not professional.
Speaker ABut there's a trade off, because you can't build a real sport that way.
Speaker AThe investment will go away.
Speaker AWithout fans, there's no scalable attention.
Speaker AMy kids who don't run don't want to sit next to me and watch the current product.
Speaker AIt's hard to make a fan out of a young kid who doesn't have the bug already, and very few, if any, do.
Speaker AAnd without scalable attention, there's no scalable money.
Speaker AAnd that brings it back to the core issue.
Speaker AAthletes earn more when fan attention is monetized, not just when products sell.
Speaker AMerch, Access, media attention.
Speaker AThat's what creates leverage.
Speaker AI will be the first person in line to buy a Courtney Dalwalter jersey if Solomon creates it.
Speaker AOr hey, speaking of Solomon, get me a Dan Green jersey for my kid.
Speaker AWhen can I pay to be part of the finish line experience?
Speaker ASomeone who's been a die hard college football fan his whole life.
Speaker AYou are used to paying for access to watch the thing that you love in person.
Speaker AI would pay for access.
Speaker AI would pay to be closer.
Speaker AAnd that's not adulterating a sport, that's just what sports do.
Speaker ABecause the fan experience is primary to the athlete's experience, which is secondary.
Speaker AWhen does following the sport feel like something I can actually invest in?
Speaker ARight now, it doesn't.
Speaker ASo what you end up with is this strange dynamic.
Speaker AA category that works, products sell, brands grow, but a sport that hasn't fully scaled.
Speaker AAnd that's where the risk is.
Speaker ABecause participation and product have limits.
Speaker AFandom doesn't.
Speaker AWithout building fandom, this model hits a ceiling.
Speaker AAnd if investment slows down, we're going to find out very quickly what's actually there.
Speaker ABecause right now the professional layer is being supported from the top down, not from the ground up.
Speaker ASo the problem isn't talent, it's not interest.
Speaker AIt's not even growth.
Speaker AIt's that the sport hasn't been built for the fan trail.
Speaker ARunning is succeeding as a category, it's not yet succeeding as a spectator sport.
Speaker AAnd I want to test this not in theory, but in practice.
Speaker AWestern states utmb the biggest moments in the sport, not just as races, but as experiences to follow.
Speaker ABecause until the fan experience matters as much as the runner experience, this sport will keep growing.
Speaker ABut it won't truly scale.