[00:00:00] Eric Goranson: It's Around the House. We've been talking today about remodeling, flipping, investing in manufactured housing. And as we know that we've been talking about, this is one of those things that can be pretty tough. And if you do it right, you can provide somebody with an amazing home. But many times these things can be big projects.

[00:00:22] Eric Goranson: And so we've been talking about that today. We're just talking in the last segment here about the different generations and what some of the weak points are. And these dates are not hard, but you get an idea within a. Few years, this is what they are. So anything prior to 1990 and even 1995 can be that way.

[00:00:40] Eric Goranson: But we're, you gotta draw a line in someplace. And so I just picked the even year. But really what you're seeing out there is you're seeing these older ones, sixties, seventies, very much, and they get better as they get newer. But you saw all that water damage you saw when it comes to remodeling and renovating your home.

[00:00:58] Eric Goranson: There is a lot to know [00:01:00] the, we've got you covered. This is around the house. Welcome to the round the house show. This is where we help you get the most out of your home through information and education. Thanks for joining me today. Hey, if you want to be a part of around the house, or if you have a home improvement question, give me a call at 8 3 3 2 3 9 41 44.

[00:01:21] Eric Goranson: That number is 8 3 3 2 3 9 4 1 4 4. And if you want to find out more about us head over to around the house on com today, I wanted to talk a bit about remodeling, flipping. Or investing in manufactured housing. And this is something that I think that we have never really talked about in this way before in the show.

[00:01:43] Eric Goranson: At least in my coming up on geesh, getting closer to a decade here than not. Let's put it that way. And around the house has been around for a long time coming up on a, what? You're 38 this year. So it's incredible how long this show has been going on. And I don't know if we've ever actually touched on this one.

[00:01:59] Eric Goranson: So it's a new one [00:02:00] and it was from a request from one of you, our listeners. So let's talk a little bit about it. There are different generations of manufactured housing. And they were built completely differently over the years. So let's talk a little bit about that. So we can get on the same page of how that works.

[00:02:19] Eric Goranson: So first off, what we have is we have the stuff that was built up to, uh, let's call it up to pre 1990, anything of that, whether it's single, double, triple, whatever many of those were built, but with walls inside that were two by three instead of two by four. They have paneling or they have some kind of a wallpaper sticking to paneling.

[00:02:42] Eric Goranson: Now, when we're looking at the single wide versions, just the single wide manufactured house, these many times were built, especially before 1990, like seventies, eighties, even sixties. They were built very similar to some of the RV and park [00:03:00] models out there. So that's the way that is. When we got up into 1990 and 20 1990s to maybe 20, you started to see regular materials starting to come in.

[00:03:09] Eric Goranson: Drywall would come in and even in the nineties, when it was drywall, it was already prefinished sheets, but at least it was drywall. So you start to see some of that stuff come in there and we get away from the paneling. And then we're starting to see exteriors built where this stuff is really put together better.

[00:03:27] Eric Goranson: You're seeing more typical sighting. You're starting to see better windows. And then by the time you got up into 2010 up into the current, we're really seeing stuff built like stick frame homes. So now that we talk about that, let's talk about the value here guys that we start to see. And one of the big things that when you're out there, whether you're looking to buy, you're looking to flip, you want to remodel one, or you're just looking for a place to live.

[00:03:52] Eric Goranson: Where is it located? Is it located in a park? Is it located on a piece of [00:04:00] property? Is it sitting on a foundation or not? And these are all different things. And they can also mean different values as well. Let's talk about that. Many of the parks out there as a new trend, we're starting to see because 15, 20 years ago, we started to see these parks get turned into housing developments.

[00:04:19] Eric Goranson: Company would come in, buy up the entire park, tell everybody they have six months to a year to leave and people would bail. Now, the problem with that, now here's the big problem. The problem that we saw with that was, and this was a big one is that we saw a lot of people not being able to afford to move them out of that park because maybe it was going to cost them 5 to 10 grand to move it out.

[00:04:44] Eric Goranson: But the place was only worth 15 or 20. So it didn't make cost effective sense for them to go do that. Move it, set it up and they were out of house. Many times people would just leave them there and abandon them. And then they would come in with excavators and [00:05:00] haul them off, which wasn't great for affordable housing.

[00:05:03] Eric Goranson: And that became its own big problem. So that was another issue. And so now you're starting to see where cities and stuff are starting to protect these, or maybe put them in rent control areas and things like that. And that can be a big deal. And don't go judging because of the trailer park, because I know David Applebaum, who's been on this show before and such a kind, gentle man.

[00:05:24] Eric Goranson: I love that guy. He bought a beautiful place, Pacific Palisades, California. Jeez, those things start about 800, 000, I think in there now and go up to millions of dollars. And these are single double wide homes, all from the seventies, eighties, nineties, even two thousands. So they've been remodeled. They're nice, but they're still paying a rent space.

[00:05:47] Eric Goranson: They have protected, but then here are some of the things that you run into. And this is some of the issues that can be big in these parks. And it's something to think about. Some of the older homes had a hundred amp service, [00:06:00] and this is where it can be a little bit of a cramp in your lifestyle. And it's something to think about because if you went out and bought your, I'm going to buy this, I got this, and you go to go buy your new Tesla or your new F one 50 lightning, and then you go to hook up a car charger many times, you don't actually have enough power to turn the lights on, turn the heat on, turn the dryer on and charge the car.

[00:06:24] Eric Goranson: You just it's using too much of that power, or it's just not cost effective for them to go around and update that. So that can be a big issue. A lot of these places were minimally wired, and it's very expensive, especially with all that underground stuff to go back and do it again. And yes, underground power can be expensive to maintain down the road because.

[00:06:45] Eric Goranson: After a while, it's been underground, there's water in it, and it has to get re pulled and re done. So that can be very expensive to maintain. And then, of course, these people that are running these parks are, that's a business, they need to be able to run that and be able to [00:07:00] afford to re pave the streets and all this other stuff that happens many times.

[00:07:03] Eric Goranson: These are, um, interesting situations, especially when we're starting to see what's happening now with building code and energy upgrades and that kind of stuff, so we'll have to keep an eye on that and see how that affects housing. But that's really what we're starting to come down to is we're starting to see That these areas are now becoming more protected, which is good And quite frankly, I want to see more of them being built and we're going to talk about that later on in the show Because that's a big deal.

[00:07:28] Eric Goranson: That's a big deal and we can go through and make sure and get that Opportunity out there and we'll talk in the later on in the segment here about not this segment, but the next segments We're going to talk about the affordable housing options for this stuff. But really let's start talking about What you're looking if you're out shopping to buy one to move into one Maybe to flip one.

[00:07:48] Eric Goranson: Maybe you're gonna do that Let's talk about that But let's dive a little bit more into those different generations that we were talking about in the beginning Because this is where it starts to make a big deal We'll get started on this and hit it after the break [00:08:00] here and make sure that we can uh, Answer these questions for you fully.

[00:08:04] Eric Goranson: So when you're looking at these the pre 1990 stuff There's a lot of issues that we run into there. One of the biggest ones is going to be water damage because these were built. Many of them, not all by any means, but many of them were built, especially the older ones, you get much more like RVs. And so what happens is you've got the metal frame, you've got lumber on top of it, and then the, they build the floor and then they build the walls on top of it and keep going.

[00:08:30] Eric Goranson: The problem is that water has come down between the plastic or the metal and the outside. Many times it was the metal. And so that metal got behind it. And now that plywood or whatever else back there has gotten really rotten and really punky. So it's just a hot mess. And then that water gets down into the floor system and to really rebuild these and build them back correctly.

[00:08:52] Eric Goranson: So you've got a good place. It's tough with that metal siding. And I would tell people many times, okay, unless you're trying to do this as a passion [00:09:00] project, this isn't going to work out well, because there is so much work that has to be done to try to save it. It's a restoration project, which not a lot of the materials are still there.

[00:09:10] Eric Goranson: You can't go out and buy that metal siding material anymore because it doesn't exist out there. It was made for that manufacturer at that point, but it's gone. You've got plumbing things that are way different. You've got a water heater that comes in from the outside, a normal new energy efficient one's going to have a hard time fitting into, and then you've got all the different plumbing issues as well.

[00:09:30] Eric Goranson: So you've got. Different plastic parts. And you've got a, basically a building full of one off materials, which you are going to have to customize and replace with more traditional materials every step of the way. So this is a, to do this, it's more of an expert level thing to do. We'll be back after these important messages.

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[00:10:10] Eric Goranson: What's up? This is Dixie Dania and Satchel from Steel Panther. You are listening to Around the House with Eric G. Yeah, we love Eric G and you should too.

[00:10:29] Eric Goranson: Welcome back to the Around the House show. This is where we help you get the most out of your home through information and education. Hey, if you want to see some of my video content out there, head over to the website aroundthehouseonline. com. We are getting close to 300 videos on my Fox 12 plus here show though I have in the Portland metro area, which is around the house Northwest, which you can stream across the country, but every week we do six or seven segments and that is up on my website.

[00:10:57] Eric Goranson: You can find it there. It'll link over to the groups. You can find it all [00:11:00] right there. And that's it around the house online. com. We've been talking today about remodeling, flipping, investing in manufactured housing. And as we know that we've been talking about, this is one of those things that can be pretty tough.

[00:11:12] Eric Goranson: And if you do it right, you can provide somebody with an amazing home. But many times these things can be big projects. And so we've been talking about that today. We're just talking in the last segment here about the different generations and what some of the weak points are. And these dates are not hard, but you get an idea within a few years.

[00:11:31] Eric Goranson: This is what they are. So anything prior to 1990 and even 1995 can be that way, but you got to draw a line someplace. And so I just picked the even year, but really what you're seeing out there is you're seeing these older ones, 60s, 70s, very much. And they get better as they get newer. But you saw all that water damage.

[00:11:51] Eric Goranson: You saw really subgrade electrical systems in these things. So maybe they used aluminum wire. Maybe it was 100 circuit. [00:12:00] Maybe it just didn't have enough power to even wash. Be able to do a washer and dryer inside without adding it. So, these things can be pretty tough and a pretty hard investment. So, if you're actually looking out there to get into something.

[00:12:12] Eric Goranson: And invest in it because really that's the one thing about investing and it might seem obvious, but it's return on investment. You want to be able to make some money. So this is where you really need to pay attention to where your dollars are. And these early models can be absolute money pits, which nobody wants to mess with.

[00:12:31] Eric Goranson: So unless you're getting a killer deal on it, which you could, I've seen some people buy these things for thousands of dollars. And now you're talking about being able to put something into it. But at the same point, you need to be able to do it right. And with many of these, there's going to be a pretty detailed inspection if you go to sell it, like any home.

[00:12:49] Eric Goranson: So make sure that you'll be able to get those things dialed in. And that's where you need to make sure that that stuff's taken care of. So as we go up 1990 to 2010, we were [00:13:00] talking earlier about how drywall came to play, but really we're starting to see normal dimensional lumber. When we get into the nineties, we're starting to see two by six exteriors for insulation.

[00:13:10] Eric Goranson: We're seeing regular shingles that are name brand. We're seeing a nice steel cased instead of a mobile home door that looks like it came out of an RV. And we're starting to see different levels of energy efficiency. We're starting to see normal wiring. We're starting to see typical plumbing, but here's where the problems come in on the plumbing.

[00:13:33] Eric Goranson: A lot of this used the polybutylene, basically cut and paste pipes for your hot and cold water. Those things failed miserably. So when you're looking at these 1990s to 2010s, even up a little newer, you've got to be careful of the pipes that are inside. Because you might need to re plumb the place to make it make sense for you.

[00:13:56] Eric Goranson: That's okay. You can go through and do that and it's not that [00:14:00] big a deal because a lot of this stuff is coming up to the floor. You're not have 2 stories. You've got access underneath and that is again 1 of those things that I want you to be careful of many times when they've put these in parks or things like that.

[00:14:14] Eric Goranson: What you're going to want to do is actually go around and remove that screwing around the outside. So you can get into there and do that kind of work. If they've sunken in underground, if they've partially buried that. So it's more like a regular foundation where they've built decks around the entire perimeter.

[00:14:30] Eric Goranson: Sometimes access can be tough and sometimes it's really hard to get underneath those things just to do general repairs. So some of those things like access. It could be like a tiny crawl space where you've got 10 or 12 inches under there to get underneath it. And that can be pretty tough. So, in that situation, I want you to really be careful of what you're working with.

[00:14:50] Eric Goranson: Now, the other issues that we see in these years and even older is that the insulation was put in and they have that kind of rodent barrier [00:15:00] fabric down there. Once that stuff gets tore up, it is hard to get underneath there. It can be replaced, but it is quite the project to get underneath it. Because when they do this stuff, they do it in a factory.

[00:15:10] Eric Goranson: And so a lot of times they're putting that on upside down and then they flip the piece back over again. So when it goes in, a lot of this stuff is done the other way around. And that can be interesting. That can be very interesting. And now when we're getting into the 2010 to current stuff, now we're looking at stuff.

[00:15:28] Eric Goranson: It is primarily built like a regular home on top of a steel foundation with axles. That's really what you can look at it. And a lot of these, when you go set it in on a foundation, nobody can tell. And we'll talk a little bit about that in later in another segment here, because that is important stuff.

[00:15:46] Eric Goranson: And I want to talk about where the future is towards the end of this, but that's where we're starting to see a lot of these different things right there. As far as Doing it now, investment wise, where do I think your biggest, your [00:16:00] biggest opportunity for investing in something like this? If you're handy and labor is free, looking at those 1980s double wides are pretty good or finding a cream puff of a 1970s or 80 single wide that is on the market for pennies on the dollar.

[00:16:20] Eric Goranson: That's what you want to do. If you can go in there and pick it up for 5, 000 bucks and turn around and sell it for 50 or 80, Might not be a bad way to go, but you're going to have to invest in that. And be careful because so many things are more expensive to work with and you're going to want to do the work yourself because.

[00:16:35] Eric Goranson: There's many contractors out there that if you go to hire to do this, they don't want to mess with it. And so that is one of the issues with the really older stuff that you see out there is that damage can be extensive and it could be almost not cost effective if you're paying someone to fix it. So this is where you need to come in and do it correctly.

[00:16:56] Eric Goranson: Now there's a lot of different, uh, kind of idiosyncrasies [00:17:00] between the years, but that's really what we're talking about there. Now, investment wise, I think there's a huge opportunity out there, but again, you need to have some things with the park and some understandings of what's going on there. Because if you go spend all this money, spend all your hard earned work and putting this thing ready to sell.

[00:17:21] Eric Goranson: And then in two years, that place goes up for sale. There's going to be some people super unhappy and that thing might not have the value. All it takes is a news report, right? Hey, this place might go up for sale next year. And your profits are out the door and that might be something you don't have. Any control over and that can be really expensive if you can't control the outcome of what is going, because sometimes moving these is something that can be really expensive.

[00:17:48] Eric Goranson: And that's something that you need to take into account when you're remodeling, because if you're remodeling it and you start working on where that common wall is in the house, where maybe 2 sides were split apart and [00:18:00] you fix stuff where it can't be again, that could really hurt that investment. If something has to happen down the road for that to happen.

[00:18:06] Eric Goranson: Okay. And maybe the new buyer won't notice it, but let's be good humans and make sure these guys are set up to be in a very good position. So make sure you take your time, do these projects correctly, and really understand how these things are built. Because that's going to be a key to understand. Now when we come back, I'm going to talk to you about how they build these things.

[00:18:27] Eric Goranson: Because it's probably not how you think, and we'll do that just as soon as Around the House returns. We're going to have some fun with this one. We'll be back after these important messages. Don't go anywhere.[00:19:00]

[00:19:01] Eric Goranson: Hey, this is Ron Kiel, the metal cowboy from Kiel, the Ron Kiel band and Steeler. We are rocking around the house with Eric G.

[00:19:15] Eric Goranson: Welcome back to the around the house show. This is where we help you get the most out of your home through information and education. Thanks for joining us today. Hey, if you want to be part of the show, give us a call at the studio at 8 3 3. 239 41 44 that's 833 239 41 44. If I miss you and you call and leave us a message here, maybe I'm not in the studio.

[00:19:35] Eric Goranson: Maybe I'm out shooting TV. If you do call and you leave a message, make sure and leave me a time to best call you back. And I'll try my best to, uh, Get ahold of you there because we do have people that listen all over the country and worldwide. So I will do my best to try to call you back during that time and feel free to leave an email address as well.

[00:19:53] Eric Goranson: And I can help you there as well. So there's a lot of things that we can do for you. And if you didn't write it down, it's okay. Just head over to [00:20:00] around the house online. com and all that information is hiding right there. We've been talking about remodeling, flipping. We're investing in manufactured housing, and I wanted to talk really about how these are built and how they do it because it's fascinating, especially today, how these things are built.

[00:20:17] Eric Goranson: So what is you have steel basically in a manufacturing facility. And they cut and build what would be the transport side of this thing, which is what's going to haul it down the road. So, it'll have the tongue, the hitch, it's going to have the axles, which will be many times removable, and all of that stuff that goes in.

[00:20:38] Eric Goranson: And then what they do is they actually build a floor system on top of that. Now, sometimes that floor system is built independently, and they build it upside down, so then that way they can actually insulate it, get the bats in there, they'll put the flooring down. Let me back up, because it's actually more detailed than that.

[00:20:57] Eric Goranson: Let me slow that down a little bit so you can [00:21:00] explain, so I can explain it to you. So, they'll build the frame up, sometimes they'll sheet it with the OSB or plywood or whatever they're using. Then they'll flip it upside down and they'll plummet and insulated upside down and put the, put the rodent vapor barrier type fabric down, staple it down, get it all into place and then flip it back over and then they start building from there on up.

[00:21:22] Eric Goranson: Now, many times that these wall systems are actually built on a jig, so they will build a flat and that whole, maybe it's a 40 foot length, whatever that is. It will get basically built, framed, sheetrocked, and moved over as best they can. Now, here's one thing that I love about how they build homes these days.

[00:21:45] Eric Goranson: It is super efficient. If you see a 1400 square foot home these days, you'll see three or four dumpsters come out of there of the extra debris. As far as the cut ends of wood, the drywall scraps, the roofing scraps, all the [00:22:00] packaging, all that stuff. That's not how these things are made today. Get a manufacturing facility.

[00:22:06] Eric Goranson: And that's, what's cool about this. Now, if you look at the drywall, one facility that I was in. I love this skyline homes does a great job and I love those guys over there in full disclosure. They are a sponsor of my television show, but that's not why we're talking about it here. I was so impressed going through their manufacturing facility here in Oregon.

[00:22:25] Eric Goranson: When I walked through it, they get all the materials already basically pre cut. So they're not throwing waste away. Why buy something you don't need? So that's how they've got their costs dialed in. Now their drywall comes in full with sheets, which are custom made for this. And then they're using adhesive when they're putting it in.

[00:22:45] Eric Goranson: So there's less screw holes and less or actually no screw holes in many situations where that adhesive does a better job than the mechanical fasteners. So it works really well. So what that does is it makes it easier for them to finish [00:23:00] and less patches. There's nothing wrong with that. And so what you get is quite frankly, a stronger drywall grip than many of your spec homes out there.

[00:23:10] Eric Goranson: And that's a common problem in today's drywall, because if you walk into your home centers, lumber yards, and you look at drywall out there, there's this new light drywall. And if you talk to my firefighter friends, they talk about how that new light drywall, if you're installing, it should have twice as many screws to hold it up because there's a lot of air in that.

[00:23:31] Eric Goranson: And during a fire, the ceiling can collapse earlier. So that light drywall is not as durable on a fire is the old drywall that we had that was a lot heavier. It's easier to move around. But that adhesive solves that problem because now you've got full contact with that stud going across there. So I prefer the adhesive in a house over the screws.

[00:23:52] Eric Goranson: If you do a combination of both, great, but that is a better grab on that. And so now all of a sudden you just have drywall [00:24:00] sheet seams to tape and mud. That ends up being a pretty good thing, and they will finish that and then go over and lay the ceiling on him. And that's what's cool. So they'll lay that ceiling in and off they go.

[00:24:12] Eric Goranson: So you really look at how this stuff is built and it's efficient. It uses less waste. And it's built better. And here's why I think it's actually built better these days because it's being built inside. For instance, I live here in the Pacific Northwest. And this time of year, when I see a 2 or 3 level home being built, for instance.

[00:24:35] Eric Goranson: When it's being framed up, that lumber has been sitting outside for 30 days. Sometimes, depending on what the weather is, the plywood is looking black and moldy. The studs are looking discolored and moldy. They're soaked full of moisture. And now you got guys going on, putting house wrap on and nobody's drawing these houses out correctly, which can be a huge health issue for people because now you're starting out with a brand new home.

[00:24:58] Eric Goranson: Jam packed full of [00:25:00] mold. Now, if you're buying one of these manufactured homes, that lumber was in a lumber bunk and it was shrink wrapped up. So it's been killed drying and it gets dropped off and everything's done inside. So you don't have partially damaged OSB because it's gotten way too wet on the job site.

[00:25:18] Eric Goranson: You don't have all that mud covered lumber that no one's cleaned off. So this is where those things really turn out pretty well. And so that's the cool part. So you start to see that and then the rest of this is like building a regular home, siding, roofing, all those things go on, but the cool thing is you don't have to worry about it being dried in so they can do it a little more things that make a little more sense so they can get all the siding and everything on and then go put a roof on it because they're not in a situation that requires for that to happen.

[00:25:50] Eric Goranson: You don't have to get that thing all dried in because it's already in a building where it's being built, which makes a lot more sense. So then what happens is that thing gets built [00:26:00] and kicked out the door. And then all of a sudden, within a couple of weeks, people are living in a home, which I think is super important here.

[00:26:08] Eric Goranson: And then we come back here in a few minutes. Actually, we'll go out to break here in a moment. But the 1 thing that I want to talk about here is how I see this going forward. Because 1 of the things that I'm seeing out there is modular homes and manufactured housing isn't being used correctly. And our politicians and all of the people out there that are trying to come up with affordable housing solutions.

[00:26:33] Eric Goranson: Aren't doing a very good job and they're missing some darn obvious stuff out there. And so this is something I wanted to preach about a little bit here today. And thanks for tuning into this because I think there's some good options out there because I don't know where you live, but I know that affordable housing is a thing of the past here.

[00:26:49] Eric Goranson: And the last thing I want is my government to be doing it for me. I think there's a lot of good answers out there for people, but we just got to let people go out and solve these problems [00:27:00] instead of it being a government solution. And when we come back, I'm going to talk about that because I think there's some great ideas out there that can be super affordable, fast.

[00:27:10] Eric Goranson: And I think it's going to save people a lot in the long run and get people into homes that have always wanted to be in homes. But they're stuck in an apartment that they can't afford to get out. They're in that trap, right? They're in that trap where they're like, man, I can't afford to put a down payment in.

[00:27:26] Eric Goranson: I'm living paycheck to paycheck. And now I got to be able to do something here so I can afford to get in a home that I love. And I think that is one of the cool things that I see coming up in the future. With this huge trend that is just getting ready to explode right now. And I think this is going to be an answer for a lot of people out there.

[00:27:45] Eric Goranson: And no, this isn't going to solve the homeless problem out there. The homeless problem is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about getting people that are housed that are into more affordable places, and it's going to be their own. So it's going to be their investment. They're not going to be paying to the [00:28:00] landlord.

[00:28:00] Eric Goranson: They're going to be paying to well. Themselves and putting that money away. So they have something there. So when we come back, we're going to dive into that. And I think some great solutions of building, especially lower income developments, where I think we can really create some cool places out there and fast.

[00:28:20] Eric Goranson: And that's going to give you a safer and more affordable place to live. We'll do that just as soon as around the house returns. Hey[00:29:00]

[00:29:04] Eric Goranson: guys, welcome back to the around the house show. This is where we help you get the most out of your home through information and education. Thanks for joining me today. We've been talking about remodeling, flipping, or investing in manufactured housing. And one thing before we get into the wave, the future is I wanted to talk to you about making sure that you understand how the loans and all of that stuff works.

[00:29:24] Eric Goranson: And so. You really need to go through and make sure that you understand how money is going to be transferred, because most people are buying cash for this stuff. Sometimes it takes special lenders to get a loan for manufactured housing. So these are things that you need to spend the time and do the research and get pre qualified before you go out shopping so you know what you're looking for and you know what you're doing before it comes up.

[00:29:46] Eric Goranson: So that way you know what you're looking for, because sometimes they'll go, oh, that's too old, we're not going to loan on that. Okay, got it. So find out what those limitations are and see what you're working with. So you know what you're doing. So that's a big key [00:30:00] right there is just to understand what the limitations are and what you need to do to get that dialed in.

[00:30:06] Eric Goranson: And that can be a really huge deal. So that's something to think about while you're doing this. Now, what we're seeing here is this new trend in affordable housing that I'm seeing out there that I think is really cool. And we're seeing it, for instance, what Skyline homes is doing, for instance. So they have a model that they are building for developers out there, and it is a cool double or three section wide manufactured home.

[00:30:34] Eric Goranson: But what they're doing is they are building it. So it is front garage ready. So what they can do is they'll go in. And a developer will come in and buy land for, let's say 50 homes, right? They go in, they put the streets in, they get the utilities in, they get the garage slab poured, the foundation poured for them to put the house or lift the house on.

[00:30:58] Eric Goranson: And then what they'll do is they'll [00:31:00] come in and lift that onto the foundation. They'll pull it up out front. They'll build it in the factory. They'll deliver it, install it, finish up getting those sections bolted together and everything fastened together. And so that's put together and then they'll finish the garage.

[00:31:16] Eric Goranson: They'll build the garage on the front of it. And this looks like every other suburbia manufactured neighborhood that you can't tell was prebuilt and moved on site. And that is a really big thing. 'cause it has a normal garage that's attached to the house, the siding matches, the roofing matches because it's all the same stuff.

[00:31:37] Eric Goranson: And so in just a couple weeks, all of a sudden now. You have it going from a foundation to a turnkey house, and then you're good to go. And you think about how fast that changes the development cycle and gets people into affordable housing. It's pretty cool. And you can build these out. You can make them left, right garages.

[00:31:57] Eric Goranson: You can have different plans and you could put [00:32:00] those into a community. And it saved a ton of time and a ton of money because guess what? You can't build that house of that quality for less on a job site. Not happening. Those guys have got it that much dialed in. So it's a really good way to go. So I think that is going to be our wave of the future.

[00:32:20] Eric Goranson: We're going to see this with some urban areas where they're trying to get more density in and jam pack more people into the city. So you're going to see little. They're making them now. They've got the little 80 years where grandma can live out back or the kids can live out back that are in their 20s going to college, any of these things.

[00:32:36] Eric Goranson: And basically they build them poor foundation. They lift it up over the top of the crane, drop it right back in and it is filled up and it is ready to go. People are moved in a number of weeks and you've got something completely dialed in. Which is really cool. And that's an affordable way to do it. And again, generally, much less money than coming in and having somebody build it on site when you compare apples to [00:33:00] apples of a similar construction.

[00:33:01] Eric Goranson: So it's a really good way to go with that. And so we're starting to see really great innovative ways of doing this and they're building a cleaner house like I talked about. So that's a really good key right there. So I think this is where we're going to start to see. This manufactured building become much more important.

[00:33:20] Eric Goranson: It's safer for the workers. There's nobody up on the roof roofing. When it's 105 degrees or 22 degrees, you've got a crew coming in that can turn key this and get it all dialed in. They're building these homes. So they're meant to last you a lifetime. They have regular pex pipe in there. They've got everything normal that you would see in a house.

[00:33:44] Eric Goranson: And quite frankly, it's probably built a little bit better because it's much easier to inspect it because they have their own quality people in it versus the building department walking through. Given it a drive by walk or whatever they're doing. I think you're going to have a, you've got a much bigger thing [00:34:00] on quality because they're going to have a warranty on it.

[00:34:02] Eric Goranson: So everybody on that team, since they're cranking them out, they know the best ways of doing these and it ends up being a better manufactured home. Which I like, I would have no problem buying a piece of land, getting one of those, putting it out on there and enjoy my cabin in the woods. That is nothing wrong with that right there.

[00:34:22] Eric Goranson: And I think that's something that we can really start to take a look at. And save some people some money. And that's the fun part with this. So we're starting to see that we have people out there that are doing container homes where they're taking shipping containers and building stuff out that way.

[00:34:38] Eric Goranson: And to be honest, I am not the biggest fan of those. And here's why they're very hard to work with. And second of all, I want to know what's been in that shipping container. Did that shipping container haul dangerous chemicals back and forth? What is it? What environment has that thing been in? Now, I would want to probably a new one.

[00:34:59] Eric Goranson: So I'm buying [00:35:00] a new shipping container, which doesn't make any sense because I'm paying premium for that. And then I've got to go through to make this meet energy standards. I've got to go through cut open windows, cope and our ways. And then I have to frame it on the inside so I can insulate it and do all those sorts of things.

[00:35:17] Eric Goranson: I'm not sure if that's actually going to save you money in the long run, but I think they're cool kitschy projects. Don't get me wrong, but I don't think that's really going to be our answer. I think it's innovative, but I don't think it's any kind of a longterm fix that we're seeing for any of our housing issues out there.

[00:35:35] Eric Goranson: It's cute when they will do it. And I think if you want something different, And if you can get that through your local building department or any of the codes, I'm sure there's some cities ago. I don't want a shipping container house in my neighborhood. And they might not let it because it's a historical place or it's not a good fit.

[00:35:52] Eric Goranson: But nonetheless, I think it's good for some people and they want to build their own custom project. And I have seen some absolute [00:36:00] gorgeous ones. But really, I don't think that's a long term solution for that. So really that just lays on this affordable housing and what we can do with that. And that is going to be in my mind, manufactured housing.

[00:36:12] Eric Goranson: And I think one thing that if I could wave a magic wand would be to remove that stigma that we see with that, because anytime somebody goes, Oh, I live in a manufactured home. So many times people go, Oh, you don't need to live in a real home. No, these new ones. Are built well better than some of these name brown house builders that we see out there that are doing horrible homes I have seen some builders and i'm not going to use any names here because I don't want to I don't want to scare people away here, but some of these builders out there.

[00:36:45] Eric Goranson: I have seen walls so warped In a bathroom, this was in Florida that if you hung the mirror on the wall, the mirror was crooked because the wall was that crooked because there was an arch in that wall. There was just a [00:37:00] big bow. So these are all things that you can get away. Just get away from in this type of situation.

[00:37:05] Eric Goranson: So you've got lumber that's been treated right and everything else. So. Not trying to talk to you guys into it, but I just wanted to talk a little bit about what makes good manufactured housing and that all the brands out there make some competitive stuff. These days. I don't have a bad thing to say about any of the manufacturers out there.

[00:37:23] Eric Goranson: And now we're starting to see these companies out there that are doing not even where they're calling them out. Basically on flat beds. And there is no steel frame underneath it. They're basically a modular home that doesn't have its own frame and wheels. But again, now it's going to be even harder to move that thing around.

[00:37:40] Eric Goranson: And so transport costs can be much more expensive versus the traditional way. They've hauled stuff around, do your research, take a look at the people out there. And if you're out there taking a look around and you're thinking about buying them. Think about getting something newer or if you're looking for a project get something old that's got good bones and you'll be [00:38:00] okay It'll work out and you could you save some good money.

[00:38:03] Eric Goranson: I've seen on Facebook marketplace some of these places out there are selling these things for five six seven ten fifteen thousand bucks and then you've got a Few hundred bucks or even a thousand bucks a month in some cases for expensive place But depending on where that park is, that can be a good way to go.

[00:38:21] Eric Goranson: As long as you can get a long term lease and not get stuck in a place that you're going to have some issues with. All right, guys, that's enough of this subject. If you want to find out more about us, head over to around the house, online. com. And then if you want to give me a call, you can give me a call here in the studio 24 seven, and I will call you back.

[00:38:38] Eric Goranson: 8 3 3 2 3 9 41 44. That is 8 3 3 2 3 9 4 1 4 4. And I'd love to give you a hand with your next project that you've got going. If you're stuck, feel free to give a call and I'll answer it. Some people call up and go, Hey, I don't want to be on the radio. I just want to have an answer. And that's what we do.[00:39:00]

[00:39:00] Eric Goranson: But for all of you that want to be a part of the show with a question, feel free to give me a call and that's 8 All right, everybody have a great rest of your weekend. We'll see you next week. If you're listening on the radio. Make sure and catch us on your favorite radio station like this, but if you miss the show, don't worry You can always catch us on the podcast, on any podcast player, go back for years and on the radio.

[00:39:22] Eric Goranson: I'll see you next weekend on Around the House, and if you're on the podcast, I'll see you in the midweek special on Wednesday. Thanks for tuning in around the house. We'll see you soon.