1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:06,420 What would it look like to start a community that was really, 2 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:11,220 it's for the people like Jesus would be for? 3 00:00:16,080 --> 00:00:18,312 Welcome to Heaven Earth Church. 4 00:00:18,456 --> 00:00:22,120 I'm Ross Stackhouse, the founding pastor of Heaven Earth Church. 5 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:25,832 From the start, our heart has been to be a church for people who 6 00:00:25,856 --> 00:00:28,136 don't fit neatly into church. 7 00:00:28,328 --> 00:00:31,400 We want to meet people where they are and know their stories, 8 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:35,172 because in every story, there is God's story. 9 00:00:35,356 --> 00:00:37,588 And this podcast is just about that. 10 00:00:37,644 --> 00:00:40,676 It's about inviting you into the stories of the people of Heaven 11 00:00:40,708 --> 00:00:41,640 Earth Church. 12 00:00:41,980 --> 00:00:44,160 So let's turn to the story. 13 00:00:46,700 --> 00:00:47,764 Hello, good people. 14 00:00:47,852 --> 00:00:51,812 Welcome to the Heaven Earth Church podcast, a podcast about a 15 00:00:51,836 --> 00:00:57,476 church where people are looking to make our community a better 16 00:00:57,548 --> 00:00:57,876 place. 17 00:00:57,948 --> 00:01:00,640 We exist to make a lasting impact in our community. 18 00:01:01,060 --> 00:01:04,092 My name is Brad Miller, one of the producers and co hosts of the 19 00:01:04,116 --> 00:01:04,796 podcast. 20 00:01:04,908 --> 00:01:07,772 And what we love to do here is talk to people who are connected 21 00:01:07,916 --> 00:01:12,492 to the Heaven Earth Church community and other folks who have 22 00:01:12,516 --> 00:01:13,564 a relationship with the church. 23 00:01:13,612 --> 00:01:16,524 And so our guests today are Mark and Julie Knudson. 24 00:01:16,572 --> 00:01:18,684 We welcome you to our conversation here today, Mark and 25 00:01:18,692 --> 00:01:19,100 Julie. 26 00:01:19,180 --> 00:01:19,628 Thank you. 27 00:01:19,684 --> 00:01:20,348 Thank you. 28 00:01:20,484 --> 00:01:22,732 Well, let's just have a little bit of conversation to get to know 29 00:01:22,756 --> 00:01:25,132 you folks a little bit, a little bit what your connection is 30 00:01:25,156 --> 00:01:26,412 to our community. 31 00:01:26,516 --> 00:01:28,012 So, Mark, let's start with you. 32 00:01:28,036 --> 00:01:29,068 What's hometown for you? 33 00:01:29,124 --> 00:01:29,984 Where are you from? 34 00:01:30,132 --> 00:01:32,136 I'm originally from Kokomo. 35 00:01:32,248 --> 00:01:33,020 Okay. 36 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:39,780 Born and raised just outside of Kokomo and went to Purdue and 37 00:01:40,320 --> 00:01:45,660 graduated and met Juliet at Purdue. 38 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:49,000 Lived in Iowa for a couple. 39 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:52,456 Couple three years and eventually moved back to Indiana 40 00:01:52,488 --> 00:01:56,102 and just kind of kept settling a little bit farther south and here 41 00:01:56,126 --> 00:01:56,850 we are. 42 00:01:57,230 --> 00:01:58,198 And so you. 43 00:01:58,334 --> 00:02:02,182 You landed here and in our churches in a white level. 44 00:02:02,206 --> 00:02:03,014 But you're in Franklin. 45 00:02:03,062 --> 00:02:03,494 I understand. 46 00:02:03,582 --> 00:02:05,558 So what, when did you land in Franklin? 47 00:02:05,734 --> 00:02:08,870 We moved to Franklin in 2017. 48 00:02:08,990 --> 00:02:10,086 Okay, very good. 49 00:02:10,158 --> 00:02:12,390 We were in the Center Grove area prior to that. 50 00:02:12,510 --> 00:02:14,050 Okay, very good. 51 00:02:14,350 --> 00:02:16,006 Julie, what's hometown for you? 52 00:02:16,158 --> 00:02:17,606 Ellisville, Indiana. 53 00:02:17,718 --> 00:02:19,462 So down near Hoosier Country. 54 00:02:19,566 --> 00:02:20,118 Right. 55 00:02:20,254 --> 00:02:22,310 But I ended up at Purdue also, obviously. 56 00:02:22,390 --> 00:02:24,086 So, yeah, it's kind of a defector. 57 00:02:24,118 --> 00:02:29,676 I guess that's kind of the way it works sometimes. 58 00:02:29,868 --> 00:02:34,204 Purdue or IU people, for the most part in our state, I'm kind 59 00:02:34,212 --> 00:02:34,844 of the oddball. 60 00:02:34,892 --> 00:02:37,228 I'm an Evansville fan because that's where I would just feel that. 61 00:02:37,284 --> 00:02:37,836 So. 62 00:02:37,988 --> 00:02:42,444 But tell me, Julie, just a little bit about brought up in Ellisville. 63 00:02:42,492 --> 00:02:46,108 One nugget of life there, maybe in your home life or school 64 00:02:46,164 --> 00:02:46,940 or something like that. 65 00:02:46,980 --> 00:02:50,320 What was something cool for you about growing up In Ellisville, 66 00:02:50,900 --> 00:02:51,484 the first thing. 67 00:02:51,492 --> 00:02:54,364 That comes to mind is my dad owned the local hardware store. 68 00:02:54,412 --> 00:02:57,762 So Ellisville at that point was an even smaller town than it 69 00:02:57,786 --> 00:02:58,642 is now. 70 00:02:58,826 --> 00:03:01,234 And he was just kind of. 71 00:03:01,322 --> 00:03:04,386 The store was kind of a center of the community. 72 00:03:04,458 --> 00:03:09,842 May not, maybe not the center, but everyone knew my dad and he was 73 00:03:09,866 --> 00:03:15,190 just a really, really neat, friendly, genuine guy. 74 00:03:15,530 --> 00:03:18,802 And so I just remember that really fondly. 75 00:03:18,866 --> 00:03:21,266 And I worked at the store a little bit when I was a teenager. 76 00:03:21,378 --> 00:03:22,188 All right. 77 00:03:22,354 --> 00:03:23,368 At the hardware store. 78 00:03:23,384 --> 00:03:24,312 At the hardware store. 79 00:03:24,456 --> 00:03:24,872 Very good. 80 00:03:24,896 --> 00:03:28,088 So I get a little bit of experience and a little spending 81 00:03:28,104 --> 00:03:29,640 money, things like that growing up. 82 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:31,048 That, that's awesome. 83 00:03:31,144 --> 00:03:31,640 Right, right. 84 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,472 I or actually ordered parts for the plumbing department. 85 00:03:34,576 --> 00:03:38,408 So I learned a lot about that that we used in our remodeling since 86 00:03:38,464 --> 00:03:39,060 then. 87 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,952 But it was a little tough to get the farmers that came in the 88 00:03:42,976 --> 00:03:47,048 store to kind of Trust that the 16 year old girl knew something 89 00:03:47,104 --> 00:03:48,190 about plumbing parts. 90 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:48,994 There they go. 91 00:03:49,082 --> 00:03:49,330 So. 92 00:03:49,370 --> 00:03:50,530 Well, apparently you did. 93 00:03:50,570 --> 00:03:52,162 And here, here you are. 94 00:03:52,346 --> 00:03:54,466 Mark, tell us a little bit about growing up in Kokomo. 95 00:03:54,498 --> 00:03:56,642 What was something that was kind of cool or unique about there 96 00:03:56,666 --> 00:03:58,418 or maybe something about your home life or school? 97 00:03:58,554 --> 00:04:00,670 Well, we actually lived out in the country. 98 00:04:01,210 --> 00:04:10,242 We lived nine miles outside of town and we had horses, we had dogs, 99 00:04:10,306 --> 00:04:14,178 cats, ducks, chickens at one point or another. 100 00:04:14,234 --> 00:04:18,158 We had sheep, we had go karts and motorcycles. 101 00:04:18,254 --> 00:04:24,398 And it was, it was a great place to find trouble. 102 00:04:24,574 --> 00:04:27,006 And it. 103 00:04:27,158 --> 00:04:29,358 Trouble and I were pretty good friends back in the day. 104 00:04:29,414 --> 00:04:30,510 All right, let's go there for a second. 105 00:04:30,550 --> 00:04:33,982 What was a troubling thing that happened or something you got 106 00:04:34,006 --> 00:04:34,798 in trouble with? 107 00:04:34,934 --> 00:04:38,990 Oh, the first one that comes to mind would actually two one would 108 00:04:39,030 --> 00:04:44,894 either be almost burning down the barn or having the police escort 109 00:04:44,942 --> 00:04:48,414 me home from skipping school and riding the motorcycle out on 110 00:04:48,422 --> 00:04:48,942 the roads. 111 00:04:49,006 --> 00:04:49,246 Wow. 112 00:04:49,278 --> 00:04:52,110 When I was I think 13, 14, something like that. 113 00:04:52,150 --> 00:04:55,214 So something like that was just not an isolated incident. 114 00:04:55,262 --> 00:04:57,326 There was no, there was a few other. 115 00:04:57,398 --> 00:04:58,410 We don't have time. 116 00:04:59,990 --> 00:05:00,862 Well, let's fast forward. 117 00:05:00,886 --> 00:05:01,342 There's a little bit. 118 00:05:01,366 --> 00:05:03,454 Tell me a little bit about your careers, kind of what you folks 119 00:05:03,502 --> 00:05:06,398 have been up to, your work life or anything along that line. 120 00:05:06,454 --> 00:05:07,630 Mark, start with you. 121 00:05:07,750 --> 00:05:12,286 For the last 20 plus years I've been a co owner on the. 122 00:05:12,358 --> 00:05:17,306 In the corner, cabinet, cabinet, countertop business in Greenwood. 123 00:05:17,418 --> 00:05:17,978 Okay. 124 00:05:18,074 --> 00:05:23,914 And been providing anything that has to do with cabinetry or 125 00:05:24,082 --> 00:05:31,018 countertops in just commercial residential, anything that goes along 126 00:05:31,074 --> 00:05:31,594 with that. 127 00:05:31,682 --> 00:05:36,282 Anything from mantels for fireplaces to bookcases to home offices 128 00:05:36,346 --> 00:05:39,642 to bars in the basement to it just goes on and on. 129 00:05:39,666 --> 00:05:40,130 Yeah. 130 00:05:40,250 --> 00:05:42,546 So if you go in somebody's home or business around Greenwood, 131 00:05:42,578 --> 00:05:44,930 Whiteland, Franklin, we might see some of your handiwork in the. 132 00:05:44,970 --> 00:05:46,722 Yeah, very good. 133 00:05:46,826 --> 00:05:49,362 Julie, how about you tell me a little bit about your career, what 134 00:05:49,386 --> 00:05:50,066 you've been up to? 135 00:05:50,138 --> 00:05:50,658 Okay. 136 00:05:50,754 --> 00:05:57,186 Well, I am in the writing and have been in publishing, that kind. 137 00:05:57,258 --> 00:05:58,018 That field also. 138 00:05:58,074 --> 00:06:02,082 But most recently I worked for a fundraising consulting firm in 139 00:06:02,106 --> 00:06:02,642 Greenwood. 140 00:06:02,706 --> 00:06:03,074 Okay. 141 00:06:03,122 --> 00:06:08,324 And what I did was write compelling, hopefully compelling 142 00:06:08,452 --> 00:06:11,092 case statements, we called them, that described a. 143 00:06:11,116 --> 00:06:11,348 Not. 144 00:06:11,404 --> 00:06:12,932 It was for nonprofits. 145 00:06:12,996 --> 00:06:18,132 And so it described like a project that they were wanting to 146 00:06:18,156 --> 00:06:18,868 raise money for. 147 00:06:18,924 --> 00:06:20,852 And so this grant writing type of. 148 00:06:20,876 --> 00:06:23,812 Thing, or it's close to grant writing, very similar, but this would 149 00:06:23,836 --> 00:06:28,452 be written for a feasibility study to test the project. 150 00:06:28,556 --> 00:06:32,132 Like maybe it's a big university and it's a big science 151 00:06:32,196 --> 00:06:35,268 building or it's a new exhibit at the zoo or something. 152 00:06:35,324 --> 00:06:38,000 So it sounds like relatively technical writing to me. 153 00:06:38,770 --> 00:06:40,090 More persuasive writing. 154 00:06:40,170 --> 00:06:41,034 Persuasive writing. 155 00:06:41,082 --> 00:06:41,482 Okay. 156 00:06:41,546 --> 00:06:44,442 And then at the end of the project or end of our study, we would 157 00:06:44,466 --> 00:06:50,762 do a report that basically gave them advice on, you know, do 158 00:06:50,786 --> 00:06:50,970 you. 159 00:06:51,010 --> 00:06:52,874 Are you ready for a campaign or here's. 160 00:06:52,922 --> 00:06:53,418 Here's the amount. 161 00:06:53,434 --> 00:06:54,330 We think you can run any. 162 00:06:54,370 --> 00:06:55,642 So you're doing writing for. 163 00:06:55,746 --> 00:06:56,826 As part of your job. 164 00:06:56,978 --> 00:07:00,090 Have you done your writing just for, oh, your own pleasure or 165 00:07:00,130 --> 00:07:02,698 do you kind of your writing project, this type of things you've 166 00:07:02,714 --> 00:07:03,590 been working on? 167 00:07:04,140 --> 00:07:05,156 Not a lot. 168 00:07:05,308 --> 00:07:06,132 I think it's. 169 00:07:06,196 --> 00:07:09,812 I'm in it so much every day that, yeah, I don't do a lot of that. 170 00:07:09,836 --> 00:07:10,996 I do some journaling, but. 171 00:07:11,068 --> 00:07:11,540 There you go. 172 00:07:11,580 --> 00:07:14,388 Haven't I thought definitely about, you know, do I need to write 173 00:07:14,404 --> 00:07:16,164 that novel someday or something? 174 00:07:16,252 --> 00:07:16,916 Just have it. 175 00:07:16,988 --> 00:07:19,508 I asked because I've been working on a book of my own recently. 176 00:07:19,644 --> 00:07:20,420 We'll talk more about that. 177 00:07:20,460 --> 00:07:21,684 Yeah, we'll talk about that. 178 00:07:21,772 --> 00:07:22,400 So. 179 00:07:22,780 --> 00:07:25,364 Well, Mark, let's. 180 00:07:25,412 --> 00:07:27,860 Let's kind of go just shift gears a little bit here. 181 00:07:27,900 --> 00:07:31,196 Let's talk about liberty, about your either a faith based experience 182 00:07:31,268 --> 00:07:34,812 or church experience kind of growing up and how that evolved over 183 00:07:34,916 --> 00:07:35,372 time. 184 00:07:35,476 --> 00:07:38,760 Whether you just tell me about that a little bit, if any. 185 00:07:39,700 --> 00:07:41,116 We went to church. 186 00:07:41,308 --> 00:07:42,172 We would go. 187 00:07:42,276 --> 00:07:45,360 I felt like we were streaky. 188 00:07:45,780 --> 00:07:50,172 We would go for a while and then generally it would be. 189 00:07:50,196 --> 00:07:53,692 Spring would come along and there was so many things to get done, 190 00:07:53,796 --> 00:07:58,192 you know, around the house and out in the barn taking care of the 191 00:07:58,216 --> 00:08:00,032 animals or whatever it was. 192 00:08:00,216 --> 00:08:01,936 Felt like in the summertime we would. 193 00:08:02,008 --> 00:08:05,220 We would fall off from from church. 194 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:13,408 Thus it was difficult to kind of connect with everybody when you're 195 00:08:13,504 --> 00:08:15,100 in and out so much. 196 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,864 I knew the other youth in the church, but to say I was close to 197 00:08:18,872 --> 00:08:22,238 them would be, you know, not, not necessarily true. 198 00:08:22,344 --> 00:08:26,190 Um, even, even the one dear friend I had. 199 00:08:26,490 --> 00:08:31,202 We weren't super close, but we knew each other for so long that 200 00:08:31,226 --> 00:08:34,690 it, it blossomed eventually into a pretty good friendship while 201 00:08:34,730 --> 00:08:35,826 we were at Purdue. 202 00:08:35,938 --> 00:08:37,394 Yeah, it's very good. 203 00:08:37,562 --> 00:08:40,626 Was your church a part of your life at all in your adult years? 204 00:08:40,778 --> 00:08:41,186 No. 205 00:08:41,258 --> 00:08:42,350 Heavens no. 206 00:08:42,650 --> 00:08:47,602 Once you escape the clutches, man, I did not want to go back at 207 00:08:47,626 --> 00:08:48,038 all. 208 00:08:48,154 --> 00:08:54,062 And we had our first son and my wife announced that it was time 209 00:08:54,086 --> 00:08:55,118 for us to go to church. 210 00:08:55,214 --> 00:09:00,334 And it was like, okay, if we find the right one and totally convinced 211 00:09:00,382 --> 00:09:03,246 we, there's no way in the world we'd find the right church 212 00:09:03,358 --> 00:09:06,686 because I could always find something wrong with it and that, 213 00:09:06,758 --> 00:09:08,490 that didn't work out real good. 214 00:09:09,030 --> 00:09:13,870 But yeah, so, so we started going to church about the time I 215 00:09:13,910 --> 00:09:19,254 first was born and been been involved in it ever since. 216 00:09:19,422 --> 00:09:19,990 Very good. 217 00:09:20,030 --> 00:09:20,742 We'll come back to that. 218 00:09:20,766 --> 00:09:22,438 What does come back go to you, Julie? 219 00:09:22,454 --> 00:09:25,318 Basically the similar thing a little bit about your faith life, 220 00:09:25,374 --> 00:09:28,450 if any, growing up and then kind of in adult years. 221 00:09:28,830 --> 00:09:30,294 Well, actually a little bit similar. 222 00:09:30,382 --> 00:09:32,246 I think we were a little bit streaky too. 223 00:09:32,318 --> 00:09:33,606 And we went to church. 224 00:09:33,638 --> 00:09:36,646 We went to a Methodist church when I was growing up. 225 00:09:36,718 --> 00:09:42,278 And you know, I think in our case it was my parents business. 226 00:09:42,334 --> 00:09:44,422 They both worked at the, the hardware store. 227 00:09:44,486 --> 00:09:48,682 My mother was responsible for the, the bookkeeping and all of that 228 00:09:48,706 --> 00:09:50,202 as well as working in the store. 229 00:09:50,266 --> 00:09:55,658 And so anyway, just busyness I think would keep us, keep us out 230 00:09:55,714 --> 00:09:56,202 sometimes. 231 00:09:56,266 --> 00:09:58,842 But I felt a little, maybe a little bit more connected than he 232 00:09:58,866 --> 00:09:59,002 did. 233 00:09:59,026 --> 00:10:03,322 And I took piano lessons from the pastor's wife at church and so 234 00:10:03,346 --> 00:10:03,642 forth. 235 00:10:03,706 --> 00:10:08,090 But I feel like when I was younger is when we were a little 236 00:10:08,130 --> 00:10:11,898 bit more faithful in terms of going to church. 237 00:10:11,994 --> 00:10:15,856 And then not as much in my teenage years, but I still, you know, 238 00:10:16,008 --> 00:10:18,976 felt connected and I'd go to church with friends sometimes and 239 00:10:19,048 --> 00:10:19,860 so forth. 240 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,744 Not so much in college, pretty much. 241 00:10:23,912 --> 00:10:26,100 You know, it would be more occasional in college. 242 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:30,368 And then as he said, you know, when we, I think we started talking 243 00:10:30,384 --> 00:10:33,232 about it, you know, when we got married, but then when, you know, 244 00:10:33,256 --> 00:10:36,880 we had a son, then it's like, you know, we really need to, we really 245 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:37,920 need to get back to church. 246 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:39,392 So you just got a backtrack. 247 00:10:39,456 --> 00:10:41,420 You have the one son or do you have other? 248 00:10:43,230 --> 00:10:47,510 And so that seemed like that was kind of pivotal moment that got 249 00:10:47,550 --> 00:10:50,290 you into church then having children. 250 00:10:50,830 --> 00:10:53,250 So tell me a little bit about that church experience. 251 00:10:53,550 --> 00:10:54,774 Was it edifying to you? 252 00:10:54,782 --> 00:10:55,686 Was it something you got. 253 00:10:55,758 --> 00:10:58,710 Got involved with or was it something you just kind of, you know, 254 00:10:58,750 --> 00:11:02,570 kind of just did as a part of your lifestyle? 255 00:11:03,630 --> 00:11:05,126 Well, we, we really. 256 00:11:05,198 --> 00:11:06,310 We did get involved in it. 257 00:11:06,350 --> 00:11:07,574 We were a part of. 258 00:11:07,662 --> 00:11:12,850 Invited immediately to this Couples in Christ class it was called. 259 00:11:13,150 --> 00:11:17,730 And it was turned out to be just a great community of people 260 00:11:18,030 --> 00:11:21,398 at the same age and stage that we were basically starting families. 261 00:11:21,494 --> 00:11:23,730 Maybe they had, you know, young children already. 262 00:11:24,110 --> 00:11:28,450 And those people became just basically our family. 263 00:11:29,470 --> 00:11:34,718 And in the meantime, our parents both had moved out of state 264 00:11:34,774 --> 00:11:41,390 or during that time, my parents moved to Florida and at least 265 00:11:41,430 --> 00:11:43,806 for part of the year, and then his parents moved to Kentucky. 266 00:11:43,838 --> 00:11:45,490 And so we were a little bit stranded. 267 00:11:45,910 --> 00:11:49,470 So those, those folks became dear friends and a lot of them are 268 00:11:49,510 --> 00:11:50,718 still dear friends today. 269 00:11:50,774 --> 00:11:51,806 Those connections were important. 270 00:11:51,878 --> 00:11:52,734 Yeah, very important. 271 00:11:52,822 --> 00:11:54,190 Mark, was that kind of similar for you? 272 00:11:54,230 --> 00:11:56,622 Were you as involved as well as. 273 00:11:56,726 --> 00:11:58,050 Yeah, absolutely. 274 00:11:58,710 --> 00:12:00,410 Met some great people. 275 00:12:01,210 --> 00:12:01,858 But I. 276 00:12:01,914 --> 00:12:04,434 I have to stress that the. 277 00:12:04,522 --> 00:12:09,122 The people I met were people that I did not want to meet at the 278 00:12:09,146 --> 00:12:09,910 beginning. 279 00:12:10,250 --> 00:12:11,698 So you're a little bit hesitant, huh? 280 00:12:11,714 --> 00:12:14,390 Oh, hesitant's name in close to the right word. 281 00:12:15,210 --> 00:12:15,950 Just. 282 00:12:16,330 --> 00:12:18,818 I wanted to be the wallflower and watch. 283 00:12:18,954 --> 00:12:24,066 And dear Julie said, no, grab me. 284 00:12:24,138 --> 00:12:25,946 And not just Julie, different Julie. 285 00:12:26,018 --> 00:12:26,394 Okay. 286 00:12:26,442 --> 00:12:28,842 And she just grabbed us and drug us into it. 287 00:12:28,866 --> 00:12:30,730 And I went in kicking and screaming. 288 00:12:30,890 --> 00:12:31,546 Part of the church. 289 00:12:31,578 --> 00:12:32,378 Who got you? 290 00:12:32,434 --> 00:12:33,114 Okay, I guess. 291 00:12:33,162 --> 00:12:35,450 And then eventually, you know, you turn around and you're like, 292 00:12:35,490 --> 00:12:38,314 wow, these are really cool people, you know. 293 00:12:38,402 --> 00:12:38,954 That's awesome. 294 00:12:39,002 --> 00:12:40,362 And they made it. 295 00:12:40,386 --> 00:12:41,642 Yeah, made a huge impact. 296 00:12:41,746 --> 00:12:42,074 That's. 297 00:12:42,122 --> 00:12:43,082 That's a great way. 298 00:12:43,106 --> 00:12:44,266 But they loved on you. 299 00:12:44,418 --> 00:12:45,130 That's good. 300 00:12:45,250 --> 00:12:46,490 Well, kind of fast forward a little bit. 301 00:12:46,530 --> 00:12:48,106 What, What. 302 00:12:48,178 --> 00:12:52,026 How did you have an Earth church get on your radar initially 303 00:12:52,138 --> 00:12:55,132 and kind of what got you here to check this out, Julie, start with 304 00:12:55,156 --> 00:12:55,676 you? 305 00:12:55,828 --> 00:12:58,844 Well, I first heard about Heaven Earth Church when I was on 306 00:12:58,852 --> 00:13:01,244 the board for Bridges alliance of Johnson county. 307 00:13:01,412 --> 00:13:06,332 And Ross came to a meeting or two and spoke or, you know, had some 308 00:13:06,356 --> 00:13:07,020 involvement there. 309 00:13:07,060 --> 00:13:09,480 And I know he's still involved today. 310 00:13:10,660 --> 00:13:13,692 So that was just kind of had been in the back of my mind, but 311 00:13:13,716 --> 00:13:17,612 we were going to a different church and then we were invited to 312 00:13:17,636 --> 00:13:22,404 come by our friends Ralph Lucy Hill just at the end of last year, 313 00:13:22,492 --> 00:13:23,940 the end of 24. 314 00:13:24,060 --> 00:13:28,916 And they had talked about it and said that they just really enjoyed 315 00:13:28,948 --> 00:13:33,220 it and how Genuine people were, and that the sermons really 316 00:13:33,260 --> 00:13:34,900 connected and they loved the. 317 00:13:35,020 --> 00:13:37,240 The format of having a conversation. 318 00:13:38,140 --> 00:13:40,080 And that was really intriguing to us. 319 00:13:40,940 --> 00:13:44,356 Did you give me some first impressions you had, Mark? 320 00:13:44,428 --> 00:13:46,436 Because what I'm interested in is because you said in your prior 321 00:13:46,468 --> 00:13:49,342 church experience you were hesitant and wanted to kind of be 322 00:13:49,366 --> 00:13:49,694 the. 323 00:13:49,782 --> 00:13:53,502 As you said, the kind of the wallflower, maybe, whatever the terminology 324 00:13:53,566 --> 00:13:54,846 used, kind of check it out. 325 00:13:54,918 --> 00:13:57,566 Was it kind of a similar thing when you came to check out heaven 326 00:13:57,598 --> 00:13:58,430 or church? 327 00:13:58,590 --> 00:14:00,542 No, not at all. 328 00:14:00,726 --> 00:14:01,450 Because. 329 00:14:01,910 --> 00:14:08,670 Because of our experience for the last 35 plus years, you know, 330 00:14:08,790 --> 00:14:12,222 I've grown more comfortable with my faith. 331 00:14:12,286 --> 00:14:15,370 I've grown more comfortable with who I am. 332 00:14:15,930 --> 00:14:21,170 And so for us, when we walked in that very first Sunday, I really 333 00:14:21,210 --> 00:14:22,546 didn't know what to expect. 334 00:14:22,698 --> 00:14:25,670 I don't know that Julie did completely either. 335 00:14:26,090 --> 00:14:27,074 But we had a. 336 00:14:27,162 --> 00:14:35,330 We had a baptism and it was just so refreshing because there 337 00:14:35,370 --> 00:14:41,090 were aspects to that baptism that I hadn't seen in a number of 338 00:14:41,130 --> 00:14:41,710 years. 339 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,620 And it was. 340 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:46,640 It was something drew us in. 341 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:52,032 And then we sit down for the discussion, which some people would 342 00:14:52,056 --> 00:14:54,416 call the sermon or the message or whatever. 343 00:14:54,448 --> 00:14:58,272 But, you know, Ross started off saying we were going to have 344 00:14:58,296 --> 00:14:59,168 this discussion. 345 00:14:59,264 --> 00:15:01,100 I didn't know what was coming on. 346 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:05,280 And then he starts asking questions of the congregation. 347 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:09,328 And it was like my head spun, you know, it was, what, what's this? 348 00:15:09,384 --> 00:15:17,200 You know, and that format and then the, the authenticity in which 349 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,872 he presents his. 350 00:15:19,976 --> 00:15:25,216 His message or the discussion for that day just absolutely blew 351 00:15:25,248 --> 00:15:25,792 me away. 352 00:15:25,896 --> 00:15:27,760 It was, it was refreshing. 353 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,320 It was thought provoking. 354 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:31,180 It was. 355 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:33,936 It was continuously. 356 00:15:33,968 --> 00:15:37,346 The message stays with you for the whole week. 357 00:15:37,498 --> 00:15:38,162 Yeah. 358 00:15:38,306 --> 00:15:42,210 So that when Saturday comes, it's not a matter of, are we going 359 00:15:42,250 --> 00:15:42,850 to church? 360 00:15:42,930 --> 00:15:44,626 It is tomorrow. 361 00:15:44,658 --> 00:15:45,746 You know, Are we going to church tomorrow? 362 00:15:45,778 --> 00:15:48,002 It is, you know, man, I can't wait to. 363 00:15:48,106 --> 00:15:48,994 Expectation. 364 00:15:49,122 --> 00:15:49,426 Yeah. 365 00:15:49,458 --> 00:15:49,906 Because you're. 366 00:15:49,938 --> 00:15:51,602 You're just anxious to hear. 367 00:15:51,706 --> 00:15:53,234 Want to do it, you know, Page. 368 00:15:53,282 --> 00:15:54,082 Two, if you will. 369 00:15:54,106 --> 00:15:58,610 If what Ross has to say or what message he's bringing or how 370 00:15:58,650 --> 00:15:59,698 he's going to bring it. 371 00:15:59,754 --> 00:16:02,562 Because it's like I said, it's fresh and it's. 372 00:16:02,626 --> 00:16:03,778 It's intriguing. 373 00:16:03,874 --> 00:16:05,762 You may have already touched on this in a way, Mark, but what 374 00:16:05,786 --> 00:16:09,554 would you think was kind of a, you know, an aha moment when you 375 00:16:09,562 --> 00:16:09,938 kind of. 376 00:16:09,994 --> 00:16:12,626 Okay, this is a little bit more than just checking this out. 377 00:16:12,778 --> 00:16:16,786 This may just be something I want to get more involved with. 378 00:16:16,858 --> 00:16:20,002 Was there kind of that moment for you, kind of a illuminating or 379 00:16:20,026 --> 00:16:21,030 aha moment? 380 00:16:24,010 --> 00:16:28,070 I don't know that there was actually as you say, an aha moment. 381 00:16:28,570 --> 00:16:32,882 But from the minute we walked in, we felt comfortable. 382 00:16:32,946 --> 00:16:35,440 We were greeted, but it wasn't. 383 00:16:37,060 --> 00:16:39,480 I think when people. 384 00:16:42,100 --> 00:16:44,280 Hopefully people will understand what I'm saying. 385 00:16:45,380 --> 00:16:47,560 The people were not over the top. 386 00:16:48,100 --> 00:16:51,516 You know, it was genuine greetings. 387 00:16:51,628 --> 00:16:56,284 It was not just, hey, how are you today? 388 00:16:56,452 --> 00:16:59,164 It was more of how are you today? 389 00:16:59,332 --> 00:17:03,240 You know, I can't really describe it, but the authenticity 390 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:08,056 of the members just was very warm. 391 00:17:08,168 --> 00:17:11,080 And then, like I said, and then the message and then the baptism 392 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:12,984 and we just walked out of here and. 393 00:17:12,992 --> 00:17:14,424 Went that really cool. 394 00:17:14,552 --> 00:17:18,328 From early on, you felt very comfortable and kind of connected. 395 00:17:18,424 --> 00:17:19,144 Oh, absolutely. 396 00:17:19,192 --> 00:17:19,608 Very good. 397 00:17:19,664 --> 00:17:20,440 Absolutely. 398 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:21,576 Julia, what do you. 399 00:17:21,648 --> 00:17:23,064 What then you've. 400 00:17:23,192 --> 00:17:26,824 Mark may have touched on this here, but what keeps you a part of 401 00:17:26,832 --> 00:17:28,568 this community here at heaven or church? 402 00:17:28,584 --> 00:17:31,720 What keeps you here and what kind of things out of that may be 403 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:33,700 attractive to others? 404 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:39,416 I think part of it is that I want to learn more. 405 00:17:39,488 --> 00:17:40,024 Like, I'm. 406 00:17:40,072 --> 00:17:45,496 I'm intrigued every week by what Ross is saying and how excited 407 00:17:45,608 --> 00:17:49,560 and passionate he is about what he's learning at the same time. 408 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:53,144 And I feel like we're, you know, yes, he's. 409 00:17:53,192 --> 00:17:56,056 He's teaching us, but also he's learning alongside us. 410 00:17:56,128 --> 00:17:58,760 And that, that's really cool to me. 411 00:17:59,620 --> 00:18:01,756 And then the other part is just the people. 412 00:18:01,828 --> 00:18:02,300 I just. 413 00:18:02,340 --> 00:18:06,860 Every week I feel like I meet somebody, either meet somebody new 414 00:18:06,900 --> 00:18:09,760 or get to know a little bit more about somebody. 415 00:18:10,100 --> 00:18:14,156 And to a person, everyone that I've met has been very. 416 00:18:14,228 --> 00:18:15,580 Feels very genuine. 417 00:18:15,660 --> 00:18:17,788 Like they, you know, they're interested in me. 418 00:18:17,844 --> 00:18:19,180 They want to get to know me too. 419 00:18:19,220 --> 00:18:22,492 And I think I was thinking about this recently. 420 00:18:22,596 --> 00:18:27,440 I feel seen here and a lot of. 421 00:18:27,820 --> 00:18:31,560 In a lot of situations, not just churches, but other situations 422 00:18:32,060 --> 00:18:32,948 I haven't. 423 00:18:33,044 --> 00:18:33,652 Yeah. 424 00:18:33,796 --> 00:18:34,660 So that feels. 425 00:18:34,740 --> 00:18:37,076 I love the way you've turned that phrase to be seen. 426 00:18:37,148 --> 00:18:37,636 That's awesome. 427 00:18:37,668 --> 00:18:37,972 Yeah. 428 00:18:38,036 --> 00:18:42,260 I really think that's a big part of it. 429 00:18:42,300 --> 00:18:43,972 It's a little bit hard to describe, but. 430 00:18:44,076 --> 00:18:45,732 But that's the best way I can do it. 431 00:18:45,836 --> 00:18:47,652 Well, let me kind of put it to you this way. 432 00:18:47,676 --> 00:18:52,334 One of the things that one of the mottos of heaven or church, it 433 00:18:52,342 --> 00:18:55,230 seems like to me it's on the website and some other places that 434 00:18:55,270 --> 00:18:57,998 basically, if you feel like you don't fit in church, you fit 435 00:18:58,014 --> 00:19:00,170 in here is what it said. 436 00:19:00,790 --> 00:19:01,774 Is that true? 437 00:19:01,822 --> 00:19:04,574 And if so, how so? 438 00:19:04,742 --> 00:19:06,370 Let's just start with you, Julie. 439 00:19:06,950 --> 00:19:07,614 I think. 440 00:19:07,702 --> 00:19:08,862 I think very much so. 441 00:19:08,886 --> 00:19:09,262 I. 442 00:19:09,366 --> 00:19:13,182 I see, I look around the room and I see all kinds of people from 443 00:19:13,206 --> 00:19:14,974 different ages. 444 00:19:15,022 --> 00:19:18,240 To different walks of life, to, you know, difference. 445 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,240 Definitely different faith backgrounds. 446 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,528 And I love that. 447 00:19:22,584 --> 00:19:25,712 I love the diversity of that and I love that people have different 448 00:19:25,816 --> 00:19:29,700 viewpoints that they express during the discussion. 449 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,592 And it, it makes me think. 450 00:19:32,696 --> 00:19:35,632 And that's, that's what I have always wanted from church. 451 00:19:35,696 --> 00:19:38,820 And sometimes I've had it in the past and sometimes I haven't, 452 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,368 but I definitely have that here. 453 00:19:42,424 --> 00:19:43,520 You know, I want to learn more. 454 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:44,404 I want to. 455 00:19:44,552 --> 00:19:47,980 I want to hear different viewpoints. 456 00:19:48,060 --> 00:19:53,340 And I feel like anyone can say just about anything here. 457 00:19:53,460 --> 00:20:00,076 You know, I mean, within reason and people will listen and 458 00:20:00,228 --> 00:20:05,228 see them and it will maybe turn the discussion a little different 459 00:20:05,284 --> 00:20:09,532 way than what it may have, what may have been intended. 460 00:20:09,596 --> 00:20:11,994 But we can always learn from that. 461 00:20:12,082 --> 00:20:13,434 Not only to be seen, but to be heard. 462 00:20:13,482 --> 00:20:16,090 Yes, to me what you're saying. 463 00:20:16,210 --> 00:20:17,322 So I was going to be asking this. 464 00:20:17,346 --> 00:20:19,114 Another one of the things that's said around here, part of 465 00:20:19,122 --> 00:20:24,442 the mission of the church is it said that it says we exist to 466 00:20:24,466 --> 00:20:26,870 make a lasting impact on our community. 467 00:20:27,250 --> 00:20:30,042 So I'm going to ask you, Mark, and from the perspective not only 468 00:20:30,066 --> 00:20:33,898 of the attending church here, but also as a guy who's in business 469 00:20:33,954 --> 00:20:37,746 in our community, you find yourself working with people's homes 470 00:20:37,778 --> 00:20:41,950 and businesses and just part of the fabric of the community. 471 00:20:43,290 --> 00:20:44,322 Is that true? 472 00:20:44,386 --> 00:20:47,630 And if so, how is this impact being made? 473 00:20:48,330 --> 00:20:53,282 I am still learning how that impact is being made, but I do know 474 00:20:53,386 --> 00:21:01,202 that one of the major factors that inspired us to continue with 475 00:21:01,226 --> 00:21:06,760 this church is the local aspect of, of giving, to sharing, 476 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,700 to being involved with it. 477 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:18,460 That has always been something that I bristled at with other churches. 478 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:21,016 You know, talk. 479 00:21:21,168 --> 00:21:23,020 The old saying, talk is cheap. 480 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,816 When, when other churches would talk about it, a lot of times 481 00:21:27,888 --> 00:21:28,718 I felt. 482 00:21:28,864 --> 00:21:32,722 And again, I, I'm not saying I know exactly how every church that 483 00:21:32,746 --> 00:21:37,070 we went to did it, but it felt like it was just talk. 484 00:21:37,530 --> 00:21:41,634 And, you know, when, when we started coming here, it. 485 00:21:41,722 --> 00:21:45,650 It was readily apparent that we weren't going to. 486 00:21:45,690 --> 00:21:49,710 As we as a congregation were not going to just sit still. 487 00:21:50,330 --> 00:21:51,790 So we went in. 488 00:21:52,250 --> 00:21:53,346 We, we. 489 00:21:53,418 --> 00:21:56,650 They went and decorated a house for Christmas. 490 00:21:56,730 --> 00:22:01,210 You know, they, they, they delivered Christmas presents. 491 00:22:01,290 --> 00:22:02,906 They, they do things. 492 00:22:02,978 --> 00:22:06,410 You know, they have the recovery church on Wednesdays. 493 00:22:06,490 --> 00:22:09,990 There are so many things that are going on in our community that 494 00:22:10,290 --> 00:22:14,042 when I hear the story of the Good Samaritan, I always think of 495 00:22:14,226 --> 00:22:16,394 what's here that we need to do. 496 00:22:16,482 --> 00:22:19,274 Yeah, that's awesome because you have these tangible examples 497 00:22:19,322 --> 00:22:22,846 of how the church has been involved personally in people's lives. 498 00:22:22,918 --> 00:22:24,410 Yes, right here in our community. 499 00:22:24,710 --> 00:22:26,350 And so that, that's awesome. 500 00:22:26,430 --> 00:22:29,646 So I think that's part of the vision here is to make an impact 501 00:22:29,718 --> 00:22:31,610 that is lasting in our community. 502 00:22:32,070 --> 00:22:35,230 And so having said that, let's just kind of bring it around to this. 503 00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:38,110 And I want to kind of bring our conversation around to this because 504 00:22:38,150 --> 00:22:41,450 it's a part of this extension of the legacy of the community. 505 00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:45,806 Both of you are involved with our community in many ways. 506 00:22:45,838 --> 00:22:48,982 You have interactions with people in your life, not only in 507 00:22:49,006 --> 00:22:54,822 business and your workplace, but in personally and socially, in 508 00:22:54,846 --> 00:22:55,690 other ways. 509 00:22:56,350 --> 00:22:59,570 Let's just say that if somebody in your life comes to you 510 00:23:00,510 --> 00:23:06,646 and has something going on, maybe there's a business problem 511 00:23:06,718 --> 00:23:12,150 or marital thing or health related thing, or some issue that 512 00:23:12,190 --> 00:23:13,890 they've confided in you about. 513 00:23:14,380 --> 00:23:17,460 So Julie, I ask you first, is this the type of place that you feel 514 00:23:17,500 --> 00:23:21,140 that you'd be comfortable inviting a person in your life to 515 00:23:21,180 --> 00:23:25,876 come to, to be a part of, you know, kind of helping them to cope 516 00:23:25,908 --> 00:23:27,092 with their situation? 517 00:23:27,156 --> 00:23:30,292 And if so, what kind of, what would that look like? 518 00:23:30,316 --> 00:23:32,160 What are the qualities you're looking for there? 519 00:23:33,020 --> 00:23:34,564 Yes, I think 100%. 520 00:23:34,652 --> 00:23:39,748 I feel like just, just as we felt welcomed, you know, I think 521 00:23:39,804 --> 00:23:43,670 anyone else would hopefully feel, feel the same. 522 00:23:43,970 --> 00:23:46,442 And I just will bring that back to. 523 00:23:46,466 --> 00:23:49,178 We've had a couple things happen in our lives just since we've 524 00:23:49,194 --> 00:23:53,578 been here and I felt like people just really rallied around 525 00:23:53,634 --> 00:23:56,474 us in both of those instances. 526 00:23:56,602 --> 00:24:00,858 And I'm just sure that would happen again. 527 00:24:00,914 --> 00:24:05,130 I mean, people didn't even really know us very well, if at all. 528 00:24:05,170 --> 00:24:09,132 And we, we were really felt surrounded by that already, which 529 00:24:09,156 --> 00:24:11,644 is just really amazing to me. 530 00:24:11,732 --> 00:24:17,228 So I would encourage someone definitely to, to give it a try. 531 00:24:17,364 --> 00:24:22,140 And I think the, one of the big things that I think about with 532 00:24:22,180 --> 00:24:27,372 this church is that your, your faith can be at this level or at 533 00:24:27,396 --> 00:24:30,444 this level and it, or maybe even not at all. 534 00:24:30,532 --> 00:24:34,840 And you come in the door and I think people are going to feel like 535 00:24:35,180 --> 00:24:41,604 they can, they can be here and be accepted and maybe even find a 536 00:24:41,612 --> 00:24:42,164 home here. 537 00:24:42,252 --> 00:24:42,932 Yeah. 538 00:24:43,076 --> 00:24:44,932 Well, Mark, I asked you basically the same question with 539 00:24:44,956 --> 00:24:45,732 this twist on it. 540 00:24:45,756 --> 00:24:48,900 And what kind of the twist would simply be what would you share 541 00:24:48,940 --> 00:24:52,900 with someone who may be seeing this or hearing this here today and 542 00:24:52,940 --> 00:24:55,828 kind of using it as a part of the process to kind of check out 543 00:24:55,964 --> 00:24:57,092 heaven or a church? 544 00:24:57,156 --> 00:24:59,764 So can you respond to that? 545 00:24:59,932 --> 00:25:01,440 Wow, that's a tough one. 546 00:25:02,380 --> 00:25:03,412 Thanks, I appreciate it. 547 00:25:03,436 --> 00:25:04,998 Oh, well, that's what I'm here to do. 548 00:25:05,124 --> 00:25:09,602 You know, I, I don't know if I'm going to answer that directly, 549 00:25:09,666 --> 00:25:15,042 but as Julie was talking, I was thinking, you know, nonbeliever, 550 00:25:15,186 --> 00:25:19,074 and just come in and just, just see what, what you see. 551 00:25:19,242 --> 00:25:21,230 Just experience it. 552 00:25:21,930 --> 00:25:26,546 I think if you, if you have a problem and you're willing to tell 553 00:25:26,618 --> 00:25:31,586 one person within the church what's going on, it's not like it's 554 00:25:31,618 --> 00:25:33,058 a rumor mill around here. 555 00:25:33,114 --> 00:25:34,226 You know, it's. 556 00:25:34,418 --> 00:25:37,518 I can't tell you how many times, as Julie alluded to, had some 557 00:25:37,574 --> 00:25:40,606 upheavals in our life over the last six months. 558 00:25:40,758 --> 00:25:44,846 But it's not like everybody knows what's going on. 559 00:25:44,918 --> 00:25:50,410 It's, it's, it's, it's, it's a smart family. 560 00:25:50,790 --> 00:25:54,478 People are smart enough to know what they can share with others 561 00:25:54,534 --> 00:25:55,810 and what they can't. 562 00:25:56,790 --> 00:25:59,090 It's, it's very genuine. 563 00:25:59,670 --> 00:26:05,090 Whether you believe 0 or you believe a lot, you will, you will 564 00:26:05,130 --> 00:26:10,578 just truly feel comfortable here and, and welcome. 565 00:26:10,754 --> 00:26:16,130 I came from a Lutheran background, and there have been times 566 00:26:16,170 --> 00:26:18,834 over the years when I thought, man, I kind of miss the Apostles 567 00:26:18,882 --> 00:26:19,474 Creed. 568 00:26:19,602 --> 00:26:22,866 I kind of missed the Nicene Creed, you know, because, good Lord, 569 00:26:22,898 --> 00:26:23,250 we said. 570 00:26:23,290 --> 00:26:24,850 It every single Sunday. 571 00:26:24,970 --> 00:26:25,794 There you go. 572 00:26:25,882 --> 00:26:31,082 And, and, and we've on occasion gone back to those formal 573 00:26:31,146 --> 00:26:32,458 churches, if you will. 574 00:26:32,594 --> 00:26:33,818 And yeah, it was great. 575 00:26:33,874 --> 00:26:34,698 It was wonderful. 576 00:26:34,794 --> 00:26:40,922 But it, it wasn't captivating enough to draw me back to my, to 577 00:26:40,946 --> 00:26:45,834 my youth of, of, of that kind of church where there's just something 578 00:26:45,922 --> 00:26:47,738 really special going on here. 579 00:26:47,794 --> 00:26:49,994 And it's just, it's awesome to be. 580 00:26:50,002 --> 00:26:52,122 A two other word you use there, I think really cool. 581 00:26:52,186 --> 00:26:53,674 One of them is smart. 582 00:26:53,802 --> 00:26:54,790 I like that. 583 00:26:55,570 --> 00:26:58,794 And you know, part of what we do, we see, you know, we kind of 584 00:26:58,802 --> 00:27:04,314 dive deep into issues, life issues, biblical, breaking down the 585 00:27:04,322 --> 00:27:08,810 Bible pretty thoroughly and, you know, an application of those 586 00:27:08,850 --> 00:27:10,490 issues into our lives. 587 00:27:10,530 --> 00:27:12,970 And I love that it seemed like you were also sharing there. 588 00:27:13,010 --> 00:27:17,802 Market felt safe, a safe place to share, and then also that you 589 00:27:17,826 --> 00:27:19,114 like, use the word captivate. 590 00:27:19,162 --> 00:27:22,890 I think that's a good word as well in terms of captivate just means 591 00:27:22,930 --> 00:27:25,610 it get your attention and hold your attention. 592 00:27:25,690 --> 00:27:26,938 So that's a good thing. 593 00:27:26,994 --> 00:27:27,450 So. 594 00:27:27,570 --> 00:27:29,738 Well, Julie, I'm going to give you the last word here. 595 00:27:29,794 --> 00:27:33,226 And in our conversation, it is simply, what would you want to share 596 00:27:33,298 --> 00:27:35,962 with someone who may be kind of checking out heaven or church? 597 00:27:36,106 --> 00:27:39,338 Most people check out our church or many, many people check 598 00:27:39,354 --> 00:27:43,882 it out by online, either website or videos and audios and 599 00:27:43,906 --> 00:27:44,586 things like that. 600 00:27:44,658 --> 00:27:47,270 What would you might want to share about your experience? 601 00:27:48,850 --> 00:27:55,124 I think that heaven or this is kind of a gentle place to land, especially 602 00:27:55,212 --> 00:28:01,076 if you're exploring maybe your faith for the first time or you're 603 00:28:01,108 --> 00:28:04,724 revisiting your faith, just kind of questioning like, you know, 604 00:28:04,892 --> 00:28:06,164 what do I believe? 605 00:28:06,332 --> 00:28:07,620 I think that's a really. 606 00:28:07,740 --> 00:28:13,860 This is a really great place to feel safe, as you said, and just 607 00:28:13,900 --> 00:28:16,240 start kind of figuring that out. 608 00:28:17,980 --> 00:28:20,676 And if you're someone like us, you know, we were. 609 00:28:20,748 --> 00:28:25,252 We were kind of questioning where we were, you know, the church 610 00:28:25,316 --> 00:28:28,520 that we were going at and if it was really a fit for us anymore. 611 00:28:29,020 --> 00:28:35,172 And it's a good place to try and just sort of, like I said, explore 612 00:28:35,236 --> 00:28:37,636 and see if this is for you. 613 00:28:37,708 --> 00:28:41,572 And I would definitely say, if you can't come in person, come in 614 00:28:41,596 --> 00:28:45,172 person, because that's where you can really experience the community 615 00:28:45,276 --> 00:28:45,920 here. 616 00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:50,430 And don't come one Sunday, come a few Sundays to kind of see 617 00:28:50,470 --> 00:28:50,814 what. 618 00:28:50,902 --> 00:28:54,590 What it's really like, because every Sunday's different also, which 619 00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:55,550 is something that. 620 00:28:55,670 --> 00:28:58,078 That I really like to come and see. 621 00:28:58,134 --> 00:28:58,910 Come and check it out. 622 00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:59,406 Yes. 623 00:28:59,518 --> 00:29:02,730 Well, we thank you for being a part of our conversation here today. 624 00:29:03,190 --> 00:29:07,662 We're just pleased to have Mark and Julie Knudson with us, part 625 00:29:07,686 --> 00:29:11,038 of the community here at Heaven Earth Church, as we come together 626 00:29:11,094 --> 00:29:13,460 here as the Heaven Earth Church podcast. 627 00:29:13,590 --> 00:29:16,024 My name is Brad Miller, one of the hosts of the podcast. 628 00:29:16,072 --> 00:29:19,432 This is the podcast for the church for folks who want to make 629 00:29:19,456 --> 00:29:21,860 a lasting impact in our community. 630 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,272 We want to thank you for spending time with us today. 631 00:29:25,376 --> 00:29:28,840 My name is Ross Stackhouse, the pastor to Heaven Earth Church, 632 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,328 and you may think out there that your story is over, but in fact, 633 00:29:32,384 --> 00:29:35,624 your faith story may just be beginning. 634 00:29:35,752 --> 00:29:38,536 If you want more information about our church or you're interested 635 00:29:38,568 --> 00:29:42,610 in the next step, you can go to heavenorthchurch.org Otherwise, 636 00:29:42,690 --> 00:29:45,746 we look forward to being with you next time at the Heaven Earth 637 00:29:45,778 --> 00:29:46,530 Church podcast.