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Speaker:money and stress. Hi everyone,
Speaker:welcome to this episode of Tax Bytes for expats.
Speaker:This week we are talking about Cyprus tax in
Speaker:Cyprus. What a move to Cyprus looks like, what you need to be aware
Speaker:of. And we're joined by Charles Sava of Sava and
Speaker:Associates. Sava and associates are a fully licensed,
Speaker:medium sized firm based in Cyprus who employ
Speaker:almost exclusively former big four chartered accountants and
Speaker:cypriot legal experts. They have a wealth of experience
Speaker:from across the largest and most reputable law
Speaker:firms in Cyprus. They have a wealth of in house
Speaker:expertise and knowledge, and they've earned the trust of some of the world's
Speaker:biggest international companies, banks and high net worth
Speaker:individuals and their families. Charles Saba heads them
Speaker:up and he is with us today to talk to us about taxes in
Speaker:Cyprus. Thank you very much for joining us Charles, it's lovely to have you with
Speaker:us. Thank you very much for having me and
Speaker:the opportunity to present a bit of Cyprus
Speaker:Cyprus tax and hopefully we will catch
Speaker:some people's interests and be able
Speaker:to explore some of the great opportunities that
Speaker:the islands tax regime primarily has to
Speaker:offer. Cyprus has so much to offer. I have a
Speaker:special affinity with it myself because I got married there many years
Speaker:ago. Yeah, great place. But tell us that before
Speaker:we talk about Cyprus. I'm sure people love to hear a
Speaker:little bit more and perhaps more eloquently than I put it about yourself. Tell
Speaker:us about yourself, Charles, your background, how you ended up in tax, what led you
Speaker:to today, essentially? Well, you may or may not
Speaker:have picked up from my accent. I'm canadian by
Speaker:background. My mother and father are greek Cypriots,
Speaker:but I was born in Canada, educated and
Speaker:raised there and I didn't actually come to Cyprus until
Speaker:I was 24. I
Speaker:too was in a
Speaker:position of relocating to this island
Speaker:that I had not really known too much about prior
Speaker:to visiting or to relocating here back in
Speaker:2001. Although it did take some time to get
Speaker:accustomed to the island. I have to tell you, I fell
Speaker:in love with this place after a
Speaker:couple of years being here. I was also
Speaker:fortunate enough to get involved in the professional services
Speaker:space where I feel you can build a
Speaker:good, solid career. I think what kept me in
Speaker:Cyprus was the fact that I finished my
Speaker:studies in Canada, came here and got this
Speaker:opportunity to do a chartered accountancy designation
Speaker:with one of the big four, Ernst and young. And that kept me
Speaker:busy during those initial few years in
Speaker:Cyprus, where there was a big adjustment, leaving a big city
Speaker:in Toronto and coming to a mediterranean
Speaker:island. So that kept me busy and it
Speaker:gave me that time frame that I needed to
Speaker:adjust to the island. And as I said, I've fallen in
Speaker:love with the country, with the people, with
Speaker:the traditions. It's a beautiful, beautiful place, an
Speaker:even more beautiful and simple tax
Speaker:regime. So I've been involved
Speaker:in the tax space here in Cyprus from
Speaker:the very beginning of my career in
Speaker:2001 in Cyprus. I'm a tax
Speaker:professional by background and I
Speaker:spent a good part of my day, every single day,
Speaker:talking to clients and their advisors
Speaker:and international tax advisors all over the world,
Speaker:helping to educate them on what the opportunities are in
Speaker:Cyprus as a result of our tax regime
Speaker:and identifying opportunities, how
Speaker:professionals such as yourself can assist your own
Speaker:client base with identifying
Speaker:opportunities, from personal tax migration
Speaker:to corporate tax optimization. Okay, that leads
Speaker:nicely then, into my next question, which is, give us the quick,
Speaker:if there is such a thing synopsis of how I suppose
Speaker:individuals who are planning a relocation to somewhere like Cyprus
Speaker:would be treated. How does the income tax system work? Is there
Speaker:capital gains? Is there wealth taxes? Those types of things are usually of
Speaker:interest to people who are listening. Okay, I would
Speaker:answer your question by presenting our non
Speaker:domicile scheme. We have what is often
Speaker:considered by fellow international tax
Speaker:advisors around the world to be what is likely the
Speaker:world's or onshore tax worlds, I should say,
Speaker:most attractive, beneficial non domicile
Speaker:regime. And I would also add, it's probably the most simple
Speaker:as well, because I can explain it to most clients, as
Speaker:I did with you when we initially met in
Speaker:probably under a minute. What the non domicile scheme here in
Speaker:Cyprus allows someone to do is
Speaker:obtain a 17 year tax holiday
Speaker:on essentially the three sources of income of
Speaker:most by net worth and divisions being
Speaker:worldwide dividend income, interest income
Speaker:and profits on the disposal of securities,
Speaker:securities being, of course, stocks, bonds.
Speaker:So these three forms of income are,
Speaker:in most cases, the three most common sources of
Speaker:income you will see for most high net worth
Speaker:individuals and their families. So the non
Speaker:domicile scheme allows a 17 year tax
Speaker:holiday, and it requires two major
Speaker:obstacles to be conquered by the
Speaker:non resident who is migrating their personal
Speaker:tax residency to Cyprus. Number one is they
Speaker:must be willing to spend 60 days in a
Speaker:calendar year physically in Cyprus. And number
Speaker:two, they cannot be more than six months in any other
Speaker:one country. So we often call
Speaker:the 60 day route to qualifying as
Speaker:a non domicile as the 60 day rule.
Speaker:I could say the primary attraction
Speaker:point of the program, because, as you know, most non
Speaker:domicile programs, the UK's non domicile
Speaker:scheme, the portuguese non
Speaker:habitual resident scheme that was recently
Speaker:phased out, they require significant actual
Speaker:residency in the country to qualify as a tax resident.
Speaker:Whereas Cyprus has come along and introduced an on
Speaker:domicile scheme that only requires the
Speaker:individual to be physically present in Cyprus for
Speaker:60 days, which doesn't have to be continuous. So it's
Speaker:two vacations, for example. It can be split
Speaker:in however way the resident likes
Speaker:within a calendar year. And that eliminates
Speaker:probably the most difficult task that we, as
Speaker:international tax advisors have, which is a very
Speaker:non tax discussion we need to have with our
Speaker:clients on. Well, what would it be like to live
Speaker:in Cyprus? What would it be like to live in Portugal? What would it
Speaker:be like to live in the UK? Of course, I'm more than happy
Speaker:to give my opinions on that, especially
Speaker:as someone who came here 22 years
Speaker:ago, essentially as a foreigner himself. But as
Speaker:you can appreciate, it's a very subjective
Speaker:discussion. Yeah. One of the things that comes to my mind, I'm just
Speaker:thinking about people who might be listening to this is, so maybe if we
Speaker:use an example of the type of clients that you
Speaker:generally find taking advantage of the regime
Speaker:we're talking about. Give me an example of a client, maybe a recent
Speaker:one, obviously, without mentioning any names. Who's taken advantage of this? What did their day
Speaker:to day life look like? Because there's probably going to be a group of
Speaker:people listening to this thinking. Okay, so are we saying that if I
Speaker:holiday for two months in Cyprus, I only have a
Speaker:cypriot tax headache to think of? And I suppose from an irish perspective, my
Speaker:response would be, no, it's more complicated than that. The irish revenue aren't letting you
Speaker:go that quickly. So tell me how it works when you're
Speaker:dealing with uk and irish clients would often have similar fact
Speaker:patterns, because our tax law is not
Speaker:vastly different. What does it mean practically, for people who do make the move
Speaker:to Cyprus? Is there a lot of people only spending 60 days a
Speaker:year there and qualifying for it, as well as not paying tax in their
Speaker:home country? The majority of our clients
Speaker:are European Union nationals,
Speaker:which makes the task of
Speaker:relocation much less cumbersome from an
Speaker:immigration point of view, because taxation is one
Speaker:thing, and then you have to also ensure that you have the
Speaker:proper immigration permit to reside in Cyprus.
Speaker:As you know, European Union nationals
Speaker:have free movement within the EU,
Speaker:and that allows for a very easy transition. In terms of the
Speaker:immigration logistics of relocating to
Speaker:Cyprus, we do have a good number of non eu
Speaker:nationals taking advantage, of course, of this very
Speaker:attractive non domicile scheme. However,
Speaker:the mechanics of securing the
Speaker:necessary and proper immigration permit are
Speaker:considerably complex. I don't want to make it sound
Speaker:like it's a big, difficult task, but it's
Speaker:obviously more complex than someone from
Speaker:Ireland, someone from Italy, someone from Germany or France
Speaker:relocating to Cyprus. That's the nationality
Speaker:aspect of the majority of our clients. Then
Speaker:I would say the vast majority of
Speaker:clients, whether they're EU nationals or non EU
Speaker:nationals that take advantage of this program,
Speaker:have their three main sources of income being
Speaker:the three exempt incomes of this program. So a lot
Speaker:of them are business owners that own private companies
Speaker:and derive the majority of their income from
Speaker:dividends. Also, the nature of their business is such
Speaker:that they don't need to be fixed in one
Speaker:specific place because we can never forget the
Speaker:two major requirements for eligibility being
Speaker:60 days in Cyprus and not more than six
Speaker:months in any one country. But we also
Speaker:have a good number of non domiciles
Speaker:who are actually relocating to Cyprus,
Speaker:whether that's for work purposes, if
Speaker:their company has established headquarters in
Speaker:Cyprus, which has been happening at
Speaker:a great pace over the last years. If you visit
Speaker:Limisol, it is now the headquarters of many
Speaker:multinational companies. There's talks with
Speaker:Google, with Facebook as well, for
Speaker:significant presence in Cyprus, and a lot of that is
Speaker:tax driven. So to circle back to your
Speaker:question, the vast majority of the non
Speaker:domiciles that we work with and help migrate their
Speaker:personal tax to Cyprus do not spend
Speaker:significantly more in the 60 days that they're
Speaker:required to spend, because at the end of the day,
Speaker:that is where the strength of the program lies,
Speaker:of course, in addition to the categories
Speaker:of tax exemption. So, okay, that's answered the
Speaker:question. Well, because I think what you're saying is, by virtue of the
Speaker:rules, it seems to suggest they wouldn't necessarily be a
Speaker:tax resident of another jurisdiction. And I think probably
Speaker:the takeaway I want people to have listening to that is
Speaker:that's probably contingent on your circumstances. So let me give you an
Speaker:example. Absolutely. If somebody qualified for the Cypio
Speaker:regime, based on what you're saying, but spent in Ireland four
Speaker:and a half months of every year here, they wouldn't break their irish residency. So
Speaker:therefore the regime would be potentially not as
Speaker:optimal for them. So this is where I suppose each individual
Speaker:circumstance and you've alluded to that is different, needs to be looked at.
Speaker:But I mean, what a fantastic incentive. So for
Speaker:context, and I know we discussed it briefly before, Ireland has a remittance basis of
Speaker:tax which is linked to foreign domicile. So a remittance
Speaker:basis of tax being that foreign income and foreign gains are not taxable in Ireland
Speaker:unless brought here. I get the impression from you that Cyprus goes one step
Speaker:further and actually exempts the three types of income that you've
Speaker:mentioned. Correct. Okay. So that's a key difference and also
Speaker:a key draw of the cypriot scheme. But when we're talking about
Speaker:comparisons, can you explain what domicile is
Speaker:under cypriot law? What is the meaning of an individual's domicile
Speaker:from a tax perspective? Okay. From the
Speaker:tax definition of domicile follows
Speaker:the legal definition which was enshrined in law
Speaker:many, many years ago. Essentially, someone is
Speaker:domiciled in Cyprus if they were born here
Speaker:and have lived 17 out of the last 20
Speaker:years in Cyprus. So the
Speaker:determination of whether you're domiciled or not in
Speaker:Cyprus is typically a discussion we will only have
Speaker:with a client who's Cypriot by background.
Speaker:So I too was a non domicile up until
Speaker:a few years ago and it required some
Speaker:analysis. In fact, I applied for a tax
Speaker:ruling back in the day to our tax authorities to
Speaker:confirm that I am not Dongassov inside
Speaker:this, because the non domestile program was introduced in
Speaker:2015. I was a resident in Cyprus from
Speaker:2001 on and off, permanent resident from
Speaker:2004 onwards. Whereas
Speaker:for the vast majority of our clients who are not
Speaker:Cypriot, who are irish, EU, non EU,
Speaker:the discussion on are you domiciled in Cyprus? Is not.
Speaker:Is erupted so easy. Yes, very straightforward in that
Speaker:regards. Is it consecutive 17 years or is it
Speaker:17 years in your lifetime out. Of the last 20? So it doesn't have
Speaker:to be consecutive. Okay. Okay. So in theory, you could restart that
Speaker:clock. Yes, yes,
Speaker:exactly. Right. So let's say somebody, you know, they
Speaker:listen to this, they like Cyprus. Cyprus is a beautiful country. I, obviously, I'm going
Speaker:to say that because I got married there, but it's, it's a fantastic
Speaker:place. You know, a lot of people speak English. It's an
Speaker:easy place from what I can gather, to relocate to
Speaker:and, you know, close to Europe. So you can still travel if you want
Speaker:to, good connections and things like that. But what about people who
Speaker:might be listening to this and they think, oh, this is nice. One of the
Speaker:other things they need to be aware of. So, for example, if we take a
Speaker:category of somebody, maybe in their fifties, may have still have social insurance
Speaker:obligations. Perhaps they have dividends from a foreign
Speaker:company. Maybe they are looking to draw a pension in future.
Speaker:What are the tax considerations that they do need to think about? Because obviously it's
Speaker:not a tax free. No, it's just that exemptions on certain types of
Speaker:income. So there will be a tax cost, I'd imagine, at some point. Yes, as
Speaker:you correctly point out, there are clients that
Speaker:don't fit into these three forms of primary income,
Speaker:as most high net worth individuals do. So we have
Speaker:a very significant and attractive
Speaker:regime for what is loosely termed the ex
Speaker:part community. Here in Cyprus,
Speaker:the main tax advantages and
Speaker:benefits that are offered are on
Speaker:income, personal tax income. So
Speaker:earners of €55,000 or more
Speaker:of income from employment sources
Speaker:receive a 50% exemption. If your income is
Speaker:less than 55,000, that exemption comes
Speaker:20%. There's also an option for foreign
Speaker:pensions to be taxed at a flat rate of only
Speaker:5%. And from there on out, as a
Speaker:cypress tax resident, you are taxed under the
Speaker:normal tax brackets that all taxpayers
Speaker:here pay personal income tax. So we have a tax free
Speaker:bracket from zero to 19 and a half thousand euros,
Speaker:then a 20% bracket, 25, 30, all
Speaker:the way up to a 35% tax
Speaker:bracket. So you are correct in stating that
Speaker:we're not a zero tax jurisdiction. It's important
Speaker:that we understand that Cyprus is a full member of the
Speaker:EU, meaning our taxation system needs
Speaker:the blessing of Brussels, of course, including the
Speaker:non domicile scheme that was approved by Brussels before
Speaker:it was enacted into law.
Speaker:So these are the main personal
Speaker:tax incentives given tax
Speaker:foreigners relocating to Cyprus. On top,
Speaker:of course, above and beyond the benefits offered by the non
Speaker:domicile regime. Fantastic regime though it
Speaker:is. It is absolutely. And so simple, it's
Speaker:just very basic. There's no
Speaker:caveats to it. The non
Speaker:habitual tax resident in Portugal still
Speaker:taxed your capital gains on the disposal of
Speaker:securities. This is just a very simple,
Speaker:straightforward and long lasting program. It's
Speaker:17 years and, you know, unless you're
Speaker:someone who's in their fifties or sixties,
Speaker:the 17 years goes by quickly. I'm
Speaker:proof of that because I benefited under this program
Speaker:and I also saw the expiry of it and the difference between
Speaker:my tax position from one day before and after.
Speaker:Yes. In terms of day to day life in. In
Speaker:Cyprus, it's, you know, it's not necessarily something that I think people this side of
Speaker:the world are familiar with, per se. So what is how
Speaker:hard is it to get accommodation? You know, is there a large expat
Speaker:community for people who are interested in the move? You've done it
Speaker:yourself. What are some of the practical things to be aware of if you're considering,
Speaker:in addition to some of these obviously incentivizing tax
Speaker:schemes that we're talking about? It is a beautiful
Speaker:island. Contrary to popular belief, it
Speaker:is not a small island. And I say that as a canadian,
Speaker:Canada being the second largest country in the world.
Speaker:Cyprus is not a small country. There's five major
Speaker:cities, all vastly different. You can enjoy
Speaker:the hustle and bustle of limisol and that
Speaker:cosmopolitan lifestyle and those 50 some
Speaker:odd skyscrapers that have been built on the Limassol
Speaker:seafront that are by far the tallest in the
Speaker:Mediterranean, to a very different pace
Speaker:of rural life that is
Speaker:also present here in Cyprus. So, to go back to your question,
Speaker:I think it's very important that someone that's
Speaker:considering relocating to Cyprus above and beyond
Speaker:the 60 days that the non domicile program
Speaker:will require them to live here, it's important that they
Speaker:conduct their due diligence. Come visit the island, see the
Speaker:different cities. The cost of living varies drastically as
Speaker:well amongst these areas. So these are all
Speaker:important things to consider. Do you have
Speaker:children that will require schooling? Some of the best private
Speaker:schools, international private schools in the world, have
Speaker:branches in Cyprus. So it's.
Speaker:It requires some research, as you
Speaker:would expect with any relocation to a foreign country. There's
Speaker:always research. But there's this common misconception we
Speaker:see among clients that it's a small island
Speaker:and I'll come for a weekend and we'll see what we like,
Speaker:what we don't like. I would say take more than
Speaker:a weekend to see the island. It is
Speaker:small enough that you can drive from one end to the
Speaker:other in the same day. But as I said, during that drive you
Speaker:will cross five very different cities
Speaker:and provinces, each with its. Its own
Speaker:unique lifestyle and each carrying a very different
Speaker:cost of living profile, which is very
Speaker:important. If people are listening to this and their attention is piqued,
Speaker:what are the three things you would
Speaker:suggest? Three tips, three considerations, three takeaways you'd like people
Speaker:to have? Well, I'm a tax advisor,
Speaker:so the first point I will make is make
Speaker:sure you understand the local tax regimes. And
Speaker:just as important, please make sure you understand the
Speaker:exit tax issues from your own home
Speaker:country. You are tax resident somewhere, making a
Speaker:decision to transfer your tax residency to stuff to
Speaker:somewhere else being Cyprus. So that said, this
Speaker:is the reason why we do not, as a company, as a
Speaker:matter of policy, we do not onboard clients unless
Speaker:they come along with their own local
Speaker:tax advisor. We need to ensure that the
Speaker:client understands not just the taxation
Speaker:system and benefits in Cyprus, but what it means
Speaker:to migrate out of their own country. That's a really good
Speaker:point, actually. And just to kind of jettison from
Speaker:that, you know, often we'll have clients who
Speaker:maybe DIY'd their tax return up to the point when they maybe leave
Speaker:Ireland or, you know, come to move here and. But it's just that
Speaker:natural point of if you, if you're asking a question in a foreign jurisdiction,
Speaker:anticipate that you need a local tax advisor to help you. That's a
Speaker:really, really good point you make there. Yeah, it's
Speaker:as I've said, it's a matter of very strict
Speaker:policy in our firm, we will not formally onboard a
Speaker:client unless they have a tax advisor,
Speaker:local tax advisor accompanying them
Speaker:throughout the entire process for personal tax
Speaker:migration engagements. So
Speaker:that's the first point I would mention as
Speaker:a secondary, I would say explore the
Speaker:investment opportunities and the
Speaker:Cypress property market. It's been
Speaker:big, big business here over the last few years,
Speaker:the development, the real estate development industry, especially
Speaker:in the towns of Limisol. So
Speaker:I think it's important for someone and their family
Speaker:that's thinking to relocate to Cyprus, understand
Speaker:what business opportunities exist, understand
Speaker:how the property market works. And then
Speaker:finally I would circle back to explore
Speaker:the five major towns, see what feels right for you,
Speaker:what matches your lifestyle, your expectations
Speaker:and how you want to live, and
Speaker:consider where the good schools are for your children, where the good
Speaker:restaurants and cosmopolitan lifestyle
Speaker:is based on your own preferences. So those
Speaker:would be the three major things that I would
Speaker:advise someone considering relocating to Cyprus.
Speaker:Above and beyond, of course, the purely tax
Speaker:consideration. I think that speaks to what a fantastic regime you have
Speaker:there is that you can provide such practical
Speaker:advice about the move for things aside from tax. It's so
Speaker:useful. Charles, people may and I expect will
Speaker:have queries listening to you. How do people
Speaker:engage with you when you're working with them as an advisor? What's the best way
Speaker:for people to. Contact you by email and
Speaker:mobile phone, especially on the WhatsApp platform?
Speaker:I'm very active all day. We don't
Speaker:charge for an initial discussion to
Speaker:talk about what potential benefits
Speaker:someone can obtain by transferring their
Speaker:tax residency to Cyprus or transferring their
Speaker:business or any of the other sorts of areas that
Speaker:our office as a service team is engaged with
Speaker:them. We like to be inviting the
Speaker:clients so that they can approach us and have an
Speaker:informal discussion. And then once we see that there's interest
Speaker:and a potential good fit between the benefits offered and
Speaker:what the client is seeking to achieve,
Speaker:then we can move to a more obviously formal
Speaker:engagement. But a lot of my daily activities,
Speaker:just informal discussions with clients,
Speaker:advisors, people such as yourself. Okay, that's really
Speaker:useful. We will include, of course, your contact details in the show notes so
Speaker:people can make contact with you directly or via ourselves if they have
Speaker:any questions. Thank you. This was a very interesting
Speaker:chat and there's loads more we could talk about. Thank you very much for your
Speaker:time. I really enjoyed chatting with you Charles. Thank you for the opportunity.
Speaker:I hope I haven't bombarded you with too much
Speaker:information. Not at all, but just make me want to go to Cyprus.
Speaker:You're welcomed anytime. Please let me know
Speaker:when when you're planning on visiting. It'll be my absolute pleasure to
Speaker:welcome you here. Thank you so much Charles. Have a great afternoon. Thank you Stephanie.
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