1 00:00:00,174 --> 00:00:00,974 Uh, ladies. 2 00:00:01,220 --> 00:00:03,229 Welcome to this week's episode 3 00:00:03,229 --> 00:00:04,899 of the Hourly to Exit podcast. 4 00:00:05,411 --> 00:00:07,321 I am starting a new series 5 00:00:07,371 --> 00:00:09,671 about copyrightability. 6 00:00:09,935 --> 00:00:10,846 As you know, U. 7 00:00:10,846 --> 00:00:10,986 S. 8 00:00:11,036 --> 00:00:12,436 copyright law protects 9 00:00:12,636 --> 00:00:14,726 original works of authorship. 10 00:00:14,985 --> 00:00:16,765 The works that qualify 11 00:00:16,905 --> 00:00:17,775 are referred to as 12 00:00:17,775 --> 00:00:19,285 being copyrightable. 13 00:00:19,514 --> 00:00:20,474 So this series will 14 00:00:20,474 --> 00:00:22,094 focus on what makes 15 00:00:22,154 --> 00:00:23,854 a work copyrightable. 16 00:00:24,081 --> 00:00:24,466 This will be a 17 00:00:24,466 --> 00:00:25,546 three part series. 18 00:00:25,876 --> 00:00:27,362 This part one will 19 00:00:27,362 --> 00:00:29,262 be about originality. 20 00:00:29,488 --> 00:00:31,344 Part two will be about 21 00:00:31,454 --> 00:00:33,380 derivatives and part 22 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:35,340 three will be about public 23 00:00:35,340 --> 00:00:37,390 domain and related issues. 24 00:00:37,729 --> 00:00:39,589 So to start with originality, 25 00:00:39,804 --> 00:00:41,224 it was born from a 26 00:00:41,224 --> 00:00:43,194 workshop experience where 27 00:00:43,194 --> 00:00:45,708 we were going over my. 28 00:00:45,962 --> 00:00:47,385 is your expertise 29 00:00:47,425 --> 00:00:49,225 copyrightable assessment 30 00:00:49,463 --> 00:00:50,338 and there are so many 31 00:00:50,338 --> 00:00:51,928 questions about originality 32 00:00:51,928 --> 00:00:53,808 that I knew I had to 33 00:00:54,020 --> 00:00:55,678 explain it a bit more. 34 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:57,238 So, starting with the U. 35 00:00:57,238 --> 00:00:57,388 S. 36 00:00:57,398 --> 00:00:58,318 Supreme Court 37 00:00:58,573 --> 00:01:00,505 regarding originality. 38 00:01:00,777 --> 00:01:02,077 The Supreme Court said that 39 00:01:02,077 --> 00:01:03,937 the originality requirement 40 00:01:04,087 --> 00:01:06,520 means only that the work was 41 00:01:06,660 --> 00:01:08,140 independently created by the 42 00:01:08,140 --> 00:01:10,233 author, as opposed to copied 43 00:01:10,233 --> 00:01:11,720 from other works, and that 44 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:13,780 it possesses at least some 45 00:01:13,860 --> 00:01:15,930 minimal degree of creativity. 46 00:01:16,170 --> 00:01:18,233 So, originality has Two 47 00:01:18,233 --> 00:01:20,657 elements 1st independence, 48 00:01:21,133 --> 00:01:22,637 the work must be created 49 00:01:22,637 --> 00:01:24,157 without directly copying 50 00:01:24,157 --> 00:01:25,397 or adapting from another 51 00:01:25,397 --> 00:01:27,417 source and creativity. 52 00:01:27,613 --> 00:01:28,887 And this is a very 53 00:01:28,907 --> 00:01:30,427 basic threshold. 54 00:01:30,653 --> 00:01:32,510 a lot of questions about, how 55 00:01:32,660 --> 00:01:34,167 unique does it need to be? 56 00:01:34,397 --> 00:01:34,762 what if? 57 00:01:34,892 --> 00:01:35,832 something I've been thinking 58 00:01:35,832 --> 00:01:36,912 about for years and other 59 00:01:36,912 --> 00:01:37,882 people have written about it. 60 00:01:37,882 --> 00:01:40,522 Also, it's not about artistic 61 00:01:40,522 --> 00:01:42,108 merit and is not about 62 00:01:42,108 --> 00:01:44,145 how innovative it is, the, 63 00:01:44,145 --> 00:01:45,525 you can write about some 64 00:01:45,705 --> 00:01:48,098 same old standard ideas 65 00:01:48,158 --> 00:01:50,448 about, how to train a dog. 66 00:01:50,672 --> 00:01:52,452 But the way that you write 67 00:01:52,452 --> 00:01:53,422 about it, the way that 68 00:01:53,422 --> 00:01:54,452 you talk about it, the 69 00:01:54,452 --> 00:01:56,062 way that you illustrate 70 00:01:56,062 --> 00:01:58,838 it has to be original. 71 00:01:59,035 --> 00:02:00,832 So that's the creativity is 72 00:02:00,832 --> 00:02:03,835 really about, not copying. 73 00:02:03,855 --> 00:02:04,325 Right? 74 00:02:04,515 --> 00:02:07,015 Still kind of the same way of. 75 00:02:07,017 --> 00:02:08,317 Talking about originality, 76 00:02:08,510 --> 00:02:09,957 derivatives, we'll get their 77 00:02:09,997 --> 00:02:12,387 own episode derivatives 78 00:02:12,477 --> 00:02:13,247 are works that are 79 00:02:13,297 --> 00:02:15,357 adaptations or modifications 80 00:02:15,357 --> 00:02:16,487 of preexisting works. 81 00:02:16,687 --> 00:02:17,507 So that's not what we're 82 00:02:17,507 --> 00:02:18,317 talking about today. 83 00:02:18,317 --> 00:02:19,107 We're talking about 84 00:02:19,333 --> 00:02:21,423 independent creation. 85 00:02:21,727 --> 00:02:22,137 So. 86 00:02:22,415 --> 00:02:23,552 I'm going to flip the order 87 00:02:23,552 --> 00:02:24,612 that I talk about it though. 88 00:02:24,652 --> 00:02:25,842 We talked about independent 89 00:02:25,842 --> 00:02:27,485 creativity, independent 90 00:02:27,485 --> 00:02:28,565 creation with a minimum 91 00:02:28,565 --> 00:02:30,275 degree of creativity. 92 00:02:30,500 --> 00:02:31,538 I'm going to talk about the 93 00:02:31,538 --> 00:02:32,828 minimum degree of creativity 94 00:02:32,828 --> 00:02:34,162 first and then close it 95 00:02:34,162 --> 00:02:35,582 out with the independence. 96 00:02:36,148 --> 00:02:38,162 So because the threshold 97 00:02:38,212 --> 00:02:39,122 for creativity is. 98 00:02:39,187 --> 00:02:41,303 So low, minimal degree of 99 00:02:41,303 --> 00:02:42,893 creativity, I think it'll 100 00:02:42,903 --> 00:02:44,423 be really helpful talk 101 00:02:44,433 --> 00:02:46,340 about a few examples of what 102 00:02:46,430 --> 00:02:48,540 doesn't meet the threshold. 103 00:02:48,740 --> 00:02:49,570 And just remember, as 104 00:02:49,570 --> 00:02:50,360 I talk about these, 105 00:02:50,370 --> 00:02:51,610 these are just examples. 106 00:02:51,620 --> 00:02:53,120 There's no way, of course, I 107 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:54,260 could provide an exhaustive 108 00:02:54,270 --> 00:02:55,773 list, but this is for you 109 00:02:55,793 --> 00:02:57,163 to help you think about. 110 00:02:57,353 --> 00:02:58,558 Honestly, like, how low 111 00:02:58,558 --> 00:03:00,498 the bar is, but that if 112 00:03:00,498 --> 00:03:02,218 you don't meet that bar, 113 00:03:02,350 --> 00:03:03,555 then, that's probably not 114 00:03:03,585 --> 00:03:05,915 something that would meet the 115 00:03:05,955 --> 00:03:07,515 copyright ability standards. 116 00:03:07,717 --> 00:03:10,014 All right, so 1st, when 117 00:03:10,014 --> 00:03:11,954 no creativity is involved 118 00:03:12,204 --> 00:03:14,157 in footage or photograph, 119 00:03:14,157 --> 00:03:14,967 I just like to talk about 120 00:03:14,967 --> 00:03:16,400 this 1 because, lot of 121 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,130 people have ring cameras or 122 00:03:18,140 --> 00:03:21,023 dash cams and, you is what 123 00:03:21,043 --> 00:03:23,290 is recorded copyrightable 124 00:03:23,557 --> 00:03:25,037 and this is an example of 125 00:03:25,037 --> 00:03:26,837 a mechanical recording, 126 00:03:27,070 --> 00:03:28,080 for that ring camera. 127 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,083 It's a preposition device. 128 00:03:30,323 --> 00:03:31,637 your dash cam. 129 00:03:31,797 --> 00:03:33,483 also, you put it there 130 00:03:33,483 --> 00:03:34,323 and then you drive around 131 00:03:34,323 --> 00:03:35,313 and go about your day 132 00:03:35,483 --> 00:03:36,843 and you aren't composing 133 00:03:36,843 --> 00:03:38,233 shots with your dash cam. 134 00:03:38,437 --> 00:03:39,877 You're not composing shots 135 00:03:39,877 --> 00:03:40,897 with your ring camera. 136 00:03:41,147 --> 00:03:43,577 so generally, and I'll use 137 00:03:43,980 --> 00:03:45,520 some squishy terms, like 138 00:03:45,540 --> 00:03:47,470 generally and probably 139 00:03:47,470 --> 00:03:49,017 and maybe a night because 140 00:03:49,197 --> 00:03:50,427 obviously everything is. 141 00:03:50,707 --> 00:03:52,443 specific, but generally, 142 00:03:52,573 --> 00:03:54,752 these preposition devices, 143 00:03:54,975 --> 00:03:56,305 where you're not, staging 144 00:03:56,305 --> 00:03:58,108 the shot are not going 145 00:03:58,108 --> 00:03:59,098 to meet the requisite 146 00:03:59,098 --> 00:04:00,608 threshold of originality. 147 00:04:00,841 --> 00:04:02,098 Now, that doesn't mean that 148 00:04:02,098 --> 00:04:03,288 footage is in the public 149 00:04:03,288 --> 00:04:04,908 domain, which we'll talk about 150 00:04:04,938 --> 00:04:06,722 in part 3, there will still 151 00:04:06,722 --> 00:04:07,852 be a protectable interest. 152 00:04:08,077 --> 00:04:09,847 Probably in that footage and 153 00:04:09,847 --> 00:04:11,367 people have rights to privacy. 154 00:04:11,417 --> 00:04:12,437 So anyone who appears in 155 00:04:12,437 --> 00:04:13,707 there, their license plates 156 00:04:13,707 --> 00:04:15,210 or their property and people 157 00:04:15,210 --> 00:04:16,320 have publicity rights. 158 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:17,883 So, you know, you can't, make 159 00:04:17,883 --> 00:04:19,063 somebody an Internet star 160 00:04:19,063 --> 00:04:19,993 without their permission. 161 00:04:20,233 --> 00:04:21,513 There might be music in there. 162 00:04:21,514 --> 00:04:22,913 There might be, a store 163 00:04:22,913 --> 00:04:23,953 or something in there. 164 00:04:24,187 --> 00:04:25,607 So, that doesn't mean just 165 00:04:25,607 --> 00:04:26,957 because it was on a dash 166 00:04:26,977 --> 00:04:28,997 cam that there's no, nobody 167 00:04:29,007 --> 00:04:30,157 has any predictable rights. 168 00:04:30,347 --> 00:04:32,223 They might, but they're not 169 00:04:32,353 --> 00:04:34,663 probably not copyrightable 170 00:04:34,912 --> 00:04:36,697 list of ingredients and 171 00:04:36,707 --> 00:04:38,773 instructions, for recipe. 172 00:04:38,977 --> 00:04:41,097 You really can't separate 173 00:04:41,097 --> 00:04:42,857 the idea of the recipe kind 174 00:04:42,857 --> 00:04:44,760 of the non protectable. 175 00:04:44,957 --> 00:04:46,370 Parts of it, the ingredient 176 00:04:46,370 --> 00:04:47,960 list, the quantities, 177 00:04:48,317 --> 00:04:50,600 the basics of how to stir 178 00:04:50,650 --> 00:04:53,260 and how hot the oven is. 179 00:04:53,633 --> 00:04:54,453 the expression of the 180 00:04:54,453 --> 00:04:55,910 idea is copyrighted, but 181 00:04:55,950 --> 00:04:57,370 the idea itself isn't. 182 00:04:57,583 --> 00:04:59,593 But when all you have that 183 00:04:59,593 --> 00:05:01,123 expression is just kind of. 184 00:05:01,264 --> 00:05:04,040 Basically facts, you can't 185 00:05:04,090 --> 00:05:05,840 copyright quantities, 186 00:05:05,980 --> 00:05:07,870 ingredients, degrees of oven. 187 00:05:08,093 --> 00:05:09,493 So when you have a recipe 188 00:05:09,493 --> 00:05:11,073 book, I mean, you I'm sure 189 00:05:11,083 --> 00:05:12,053 or cookbook, I guess you 190 00:05:12,053 --> 00:05:13,343 didn't say you probably have 191 00:05:13,385 --> 00:05:14,585 some cookbooks on your shelf 192 00:05:14,585 --> 00:05:15,345 and you'll see that they 193 00:05:15,345 --> 00:05:16,725 have copyright protection. 194 00:05:16,975 --> 00:05:18,665 So the copyright doesn't. 195 00:05:18,772 --> 00:05:20,820 Apply to the recipe. 196 00:05:20,820 --> 00:05:21,990 It applies to all the little 197 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:23,410 stories that go around it. 198 00:05:23,587 --> 00:05:25,314 you'll see if you go online 199 00:05:25,314 --> 00:05:26,294 and you look for recipe 200 00:05:26,294 --> 00:05:28,687 online and it's buried 201 00:05:28,717 --> 00:05:30,067 at the bottom of this 202 00:05:30,300 --> 00:05:32,190 story about the recipe. 203 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:33,270 It's because the 204 00:05:33,270 --> 00:05:34,390 recipe itself. 205 00:05:34,677 --> 00:05:36,000 Is not protectable, 206 00:05:36,020 --> 00:05:37,490 but the story about 207 00:05:37,490 --> 00:05:38,870 it, is protectable. 208 00:05:39,137 --> 00:05:41,764 and, so that is, the reason 209 00:05:41,764 --> 00:05:42,664 for your frustration. 210 00:05:42,664 --> 00:05:43,562 If you're anything like 211 00:05:43,562 --> 00:05:44,552 me, I'm always frustrated 212 00:05:44,552 --> 00:05:45,042 when I'm trying to 213 00:05:45,042 --> 00:05:46,702 find the recipe online. 214 00:05:46,955 --> 00:05:48,345 Another thing that is not 215 00:05:48,345 --> 00:05:49,975 copyrightable something that's 216 00:05:50,085 --> 00:05:52,699 inevitable that different 217 00:05:52,699 --> 00:05:54,479 creators acting completely 218 00:05:54,479 --> 00:05:55,789 independently without any 219 00:05:55,789 --> 00:05:56,739 idea what the other person is 220 00:05:56,739 --> 00:05:59,052 doing would arrive at similar 221 00:05:59,052 --> 00:06:01,162 or even identical results, 222 00:06:01,494 --> 00:06:02,732 because there's just so many 223 00:06:02,732 --> 00:06:04,692 ways to express an idea. 224 00:06:04,897 --> 00:06:06,072 So this is something 225 00:06:06,072 --> 00:06:07,432 that's functional like 226 00:06:07,432 --> 00:06:08,852 writing about the rules 227 00:06:08,942 --> 00:06:10,572 of how to play checkers. 228 00:06:10,810 --> 00:06:11,639 How many ways are 229 00:06:11,639 --> 00:06:13,065 there to describe how 230 00:06:13,065 --> 00:06:14,125 to play checkers or. 231 00:06:14,327 --> 00:06:16,570 How to, train a dog, I mean, 232 00:06:16,570 --> 00:06:17,450 there's, could be something 233 00:06:17,450 --> 00:06:18,997 original about it, but there's 234 00:06:18,997 --> 00:06:20,487 some things that are just, 235 00:06:20,690 --> 00:06:22,710 2 independent people without 236 00:06:22,844 --> 00:06:24,344 even knowing the other exists 237 00:06:24,773 --> 00:06:25,674 and they're probably going to 238 00:06:25,714 --> 00:06:28,124 come up with the same content 239 00:06:28,326 --> 00:06:30,907 that is considered inevitable 240 00:06:31,059 --> 00:06:33,000 and probably not going to 241 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,127 meet the, minimum standards of 242 00:06:35,127 --> 00:06:36,814 creativity, there is a French 243 00:06:36,814 --> 00:06:38,514 term called sends up there. 244 00:06:38,727 --> 00:06:40,827 So this refers to situations, 245 00:06:40,867 --> 00:06:42,167 characters, settings, 246 00:06:42,167 --> 00:06:43,457 or incidents that are 247 00:06:43,457 --> 00:06:45,327 standard or customary 248 00:06:45,494 --> 00:06:46,747 to a particular genre. 249 00:06:47,014 --> 00:06:48,080 And so those would 250 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:49,350 not be protectable. 251 00:06:49,580 --> 00:06:50,380 for instance. 252 00:06:50,728 --> 00:06:51,284 You're writing 253 00:06:51,284 --> 00:06:52,444 a vampire novel. 254 00:06:52,594 --> 00:06:53,454 Your vampire 255 00:06:53,564 --> 00:06:54,574 sleeps in a casket. 256 00:06:54,827 --> 00:06:55,647 She doesn't go out at 257 00:06:55,647 --> 00:06:57,450 night, during the day, and 258 00:06:57,460 --> 00:06:58,760 she's afraid of garlic. 259 00:06:58,922 --> 00:06:59,584 Well, guess what? 260 00:06:59,584 --> 00:07:00,374 Those elements are 261 00:07:00,374 --> 00:07:01,264 not copyrightable. 262 00:07:01,264 --> 00:07:02,254 You can't put those things 263 00:07:02,254 --> 00:07:03,930 in your vampire novel, claim 264 00:07:03,930 --> 00:07:05,230 copyright protection for them, 265 00:07:05,230 --> 00:07:06,460 and nobody else can write 266 00:07:06,460 --> 00:07:07,600 about those things, right? 267 00:07:07,824 --> 00:07:10,334 So those standard situations, 268 00:07:10,730 --> 00:07:12,670 standard characteristics, 269 00:07:13,084 --> 00:07:14,260 those things that. 270 00:07:14,554 --> 00:07:15,974 You know, by nature of the 271 00:07:15,974 --> 00:07:17,694 genre of the, even if it's 272 00:07:17,694 --> 00:07:18,794 a fictional and highly 273 00:07:18,794 --> 00:07:20,857 creative, those elements that 274 00:07:20,897 --> 00:07:22,207 are the son's affair would 275 00:07:22,207 --> 00:07:24,047 not be protectable next. 276 00:07:24,047 --> 00:07:25,637 We have common geometric 277 00:07:25,637 --> 00:07:27,760 shapes are familiar symbols, 278 00:07:28,007 --> 00:07:29,577 like a stop sign or a smiley 279 00:07:29,577 --> 00:07:31,557 face or a piece symbol. 280 00:07:31,774 --> 00:07:33,804 They don't have the necessary 281 00:07:33,804 --> 00:07:35,104 level of originality. 282 00:07:35,321 --> 00:07:35,968 They're considered 283 00:07:35,968 --> 00:07:38,148 functional or utilitarian. 284 00:07:38,371 --> 00:07:39,891 And quite frankly, just 285 00:07:39,891 --> 00:07:41,714 too simple to get, the 286 00:07:41,961 --> 00:07:42,881 cover up protection. 287 00:07:43,178 --> 00:07:44,038 Sometimes you'll have 288 00:07:44,098 --> 00:07:45,508 a geographic shape. 289 00:07:45,548 --> 00:07:47,018 You'll see an outline of a 290 00:07:47,018 --> 00:07:48,838 country outline of the US. 291 00:07:48,838 --> 00:07:50,408 You'll see that people do 292 00:07:50,408 --> 00:07:52,184 an outline of a state or 293 00:07:52,204 --> 00:07:53,474 other natural formations. 294 00:07:53,474 --> 00:07:54,636 The outline of, A 295 00:07:54,636 --> 00:07:55,276 mountain, you know, 296 00:07:55,296 --> 00:07:56,366 Matterhorn or something. 297 00:07:56,620 --> 00:07:59,219 And so these are not the 298 00:07:59,239 --> 00:08:01,119 outlines, or even, whole 299 00:08:01,119 --> 00:08:02,279 painting of it, that would 300 00:08:02,279 --> 00:08:04,169 not be, but the original 301 00:08:04,336 --> 00:08:06,109 elements of it would be 302 00:08:06,359 --> 00:08:07,969 so the shape of the U. 303 00:08:07,969 --> 00:08:08,269 S. 304 00:08:08,469 --> 00:08:10,539 No, but if you then take 305 00:08:10,539 --> 00:08:12,059 it and paint it in a 306 00:08:12,229 --> 00:08:13,909 way that is creative. 307 00:08:14,156 --> 00:08:15,766 Then that would be, I 308 00:08:15,766 --> 00:08:17,479 see these cutting boards 309 00:08:17,479 --> 00:08:18,259 in this shape of the 310 00:08:18,259 --> 00:08:19,849 state, and then they, do 311 00:08:19,849 --> 00:08:21,169 some etchings on there. 312 00:08:21,369 --> 00:08:22,766 the shape of that cutting 313 00:08:22,766 --> 00:08:23,696 board and the shape of 314 00:08:23,716 --> 00:08:25,109 the state would not be 315 00:08:25,109 --> 00:08:26,466 copyrightable, but, the 316 00:08:26,466 --> 00:08:28,459 creative etchings that are on 317 00:08:28,489 --> 00:08:30,263 there, might be copyrightable. 318 00:08:30,510 --> 00:08:32,069 So it is the artistic 319 00:08:32,149 --> 00:08:33,699 expression that you layer 320 00:08:33,729 --> 00:08:36,133 on top of the symbol, Crazy 321 00:08:36,133 --> 00:08:37,293 looking smiley face or 322 00:08:37,293 --> 00:08:38,633 crazy looking piece of ball. 323 00:08:38,783 --> 00:08:40,658 that artistic expression, 324 00:08:40,828 --> 00:08:42,038 would be copyrightable, 325 00:08:42,038 --> 00:08:43,618 but not the symbol itself. 326 00:08:43,901 --> 00:08:45,434 And works in consisting 327 00:08:45,454 --> 00:08:47,554 entirely of commonly 328 00:08:47,554 --> 00:08:50,144 known information or facts 329 00:08:50,564 --> 00:08:52,601 that does not contain 330 00:08:52,671 --> 00:08:54,001 original authorship. 331 00:08:54,001 --> 00:08:55,084 So this would apply to 332 00:08:55,084 --> 00:08:56,864 say, a standard calendar, 333 00:08:57,088 --> 00:08:59,471 or a directory of people. 334 00:08:59,648 --> 00:09:01,398 So, when we look at calendars 335 00:09:01,398 --> 00:09:02,914 and you'll get 1 that has 336 00:09:02,914 --> 00:09:04,431 a copyright claim on it 337 00:09:04,651 --> 00:09:05,894 and that is because of 338 00:09:05,894 --> 00:09:07,328 all the, Photographs of, 339 00:09:07,491 --> 00:09:09,361 firefighters or whatever 340 00:09:09,361 --> 00:09:10,804 it is, or dogs pooping. 341 00:09:10,834 --> 00:09:11,924 I saw one recently 342 00:09:11,994 --> 00:09:13,114 calendar of dogs pooping 343 00:09:13,114 --> 00:09:14,264 and interesting places. 344 00:09:14,581 --> 00:09:16,271 so those elements are 345 00:09:16,281 --> 00:09:18,001 copywritable, but the calendar 346 00:09:18,001 --> 00:09:19,801 piece is not so, you know, 347 00:09:19,801 --> 00:09:22,251 I keep, myself organized by 348 00:09:22,331 --> 00:09:24,411 calendars that I download 349 00:09:24,411 --> 00:09:25,511 off the Internet that are 350 00:09:25,511 --> 00:09:27,648 just plain, just the numbers 351 00:09:27,648 --> 00:09:29,331 and the months and obviously 352 00:09:29,331 --> 00:09:30,411 those are not copyrightable 353 00:09:30,694 --> 00:09:32,118 a directory of names or 354 00:09:32,148 --> 00:09:34,048 facts might be copyrightable 355 00:09:34,088 --> 00:09:35,428 under certain circumstances, 356 00:09:35,721 --> 00:09:37,704 depending on some level of 357 00:09:37,704 --> 00:09:39,174 creativity that you add. 358 00:09:39,204 --> 00:09:40,084 So, something about 359 00:09:40,084 --> 00:09:41,054 the coordination or 360 00:09:41,064 --> 00:09:43,254 arrangement needs to be, 361 00:09:43,491 --> 00:09:44,868 creative now here, the 362 00:09:44,868 --> 00:09:46,168 standard of creativity. 363 00:09:46,388 --> 00:09:47,324 Will need to be a little 364 00:09:47,334 --> 00:09:49,874 higher than just the minimal 365 00:09:49,914 --> 00:09:51,434 because you're starting with 366 00:09:51,648 --> 00:09:53,628 facts that are commonly known. 367 00:09:53,928 --> 00:09:54,808 So if you want to get 368 00:09:54,808 --> 00:09:56,578 protection over facts that are 369 00:09:56,578 --> 00:09:58,058 commonly known, then you do 370 00:09:58,058 --> 00:09:59,914 need to do something that is 371 00:09:59,944 --> 00:10:01,464 kind of innovative in the way 372 00:10:01,464 --> 00:10:02,654 that you're presenting them. 373 00:10:02,654 --> 00:10:04,318 It can't just be that you 374 00:10:04,318 --> 00:10:05,928 hand wrote them, or something. 375 00:10:06,254 --> 00:10:08,394 so that unique expression 376 00:10:08,394 --> 00:10:09,744 or presentation. 377 00:10:09,978 --> 00:10:12,068 Of the information or facts or 378 00:10:12,068 --> 00:10:14,138 ideas that unique expression 379 00:10:14,138 --> 00:10:15,988 or presentation might be 380 00:10:16,188 --> 00:10:18,378 protectable, but not the 381 00:10:18,428 --> 00:10:20,908 underlying facts themselves. 382 00:10:21,219 --> 00:10:22,705 So those are some examples 383 00:10:22,961 --> 00:10:25,538 of what does not meet the 384 00:10:25,538 --> 00:10:27,428 minimum level of creativity. 385 00:10:27,584 --> 00:10:29,041 Use those to think about 386 00:10:29,061 --> 00:10:31,331 some others that are similar, 387 00:10:31,611 --> 00:10:33,155 that are just kind of common. 388 00:10:33,165 --> 00:10:34,245 And it's really hard 389 00:10:34,245 --> 00:10:37,118 to, allow someone to get 390 00:10:37,338 --> 00:10:39,531 exclusive rights that you 391 00:10:39,531 --> 00:10:41,158 get with copyright for 392 00:10:41,158 --> 00:10:42,318 these things that are just 393 00:10:42,548 --> 00:10:45,075 everywhere and common. 394 00:10:45,307 --> 00:10:46,911 And by the way, that 395 00:10:47,001 --> 00:10:49,251 doesn't mean publicly known. 396 00:10:49,467 --> 00:10:50,611 And we'll talk about that 397 00:10:50,621 --> 00:10:52,741 in public domain, episode. 398 00:10:52,971 --> 00:10:53,551 So, the fact that 399 00:10:53,551 --> 00:10:55,061 something's publicly known 400 00:10:55,268 --> 00:10:57,035 does not mean that it. 401 00:10:57,215 --> 00:10:58,841 Isn't creative all 402 00:10:58,841 --> 00:11:00,151 right now, we're going 403 00:11:00,151 --> 00:11:01,491 to the 2nd element, 404 00:11:01,731 --> 00:11:03,231 which is independence. 405 00:11:03,618 --> 00:11:05,051 So, when we're talking 406 00:11:05,051 --> 00:11:06,851 about independence, I'm 407 00:11:06,851 --> 00:11:08,321 going to assume that we are 408 00:11:08,321 --> 00:11:10,888 trying to create it without 409 00:11:10,908 --> 00:11:12,378 copying another source. 410 00:11:12,388 --> 00:11:14,061 That is our intent to 411 00:11:14,061 --> 00:11:15,891 create something original. 412 00:11:16,041 --> 00:11:17,401 We sat down at our computer. 413 00:11:17,683 --> 00:11:19,493 Started typing, and we believe 414 00:11:19,503 --> 00:11:21,003 that it is independent and 415 00:11:21,003 --> 00:11:22,673 that we didn't copy anyone. 416 00:11:22,918 --> 00:11:23,818 However, there's this 417 00:11:23,818 --> 00:11:25,765 thing called unconscious 418 00:11:25,775 --> 00:11:27,615 copying and that came up 419 00:11:27,846 --> 00:11:29,011 in my workshop as well. 420 00:11:29,011 --> 00:11:29,781 Like, well, what about there? 421 00:11:29,781 --> 00:11:30,531 All these people out 422 00:11:30,531 --> 00:11:31,121 there talking about 423 00:11:31,121 --> 00:11:31,751 all these things. 424 00:11:31,761 --> 00:11:32,671 How do I make sure 425 00:11:32,671 --> 00:11:33,881 that I don't, you know. 426 00:11:34,085 --> 00:11:35,415 and that is an issue. 427 00:11:35,685 --> 00:11:37,195 another term I liked, 428 00:11:37,481 --> 00:11:38,811 think it's a UK term. 429 00:11:38,811 --> 00:11:39,601 I just saw this on the 430 00:11:39,601 --> 00:11:40,281 internet and I couldn't 431 00:11:40,301 --> 00:11:41,211 find out more about it, 432 00:11:41,411 --> 00:11:42,155 but I really liked it. 433 00:11:42,155 --> 00:11:43,865 It's called ambient influence, 434 00:11:43,865 --> 00:11:45,135 which I think is also an 435 00:11:45,135 --> 00:11:45,985 interesting way to look 436 00:11:45,985 --> 00:11:47,701 at it, but unconscious 437 00:11:47,701 --> 00:11:49,421 copying, ambient influence, 438 00:11:49,471 --> 00:11:51,121 it does have implications 439 00:11:51,191 --> 00:11:52,501 under copyright law. 440 00:11:52,741 --> 00:11:54,661 it is, you know, what happens 441 00:11:54,711 --> 00:11:56,241 if you're unconsciously 442 00:11:56,281 --> 00:11:58,328 influenced by other 443 00:11:58,348 --> 00:11:59,661 people's work, especially 444 00:11:59,661 --> 00:12:00,681 something that's really 445 00:12:00,691 --> 00:12:02,471 influential in the field 446 00:12:02,658 --> 00:12:04,358 and their presence is, 447 00:12:04,405 --> 00:12:05,941 ambient, all over the place. 448 00:12:05,941 --> 00:12:07,355 Whenever we're talking about 449 00:12:07,355 --> 00:12:09,648 a certain area, that we may. 450 00:12:09,848 --> 00:12:11,818 engage in that person's 451 00:12:11,818 --> 00:12:13,246 work keeps popping up, it's 452 00:12:13,246 --> 00:12:14,626 hard to write about being 453 00:12:14,636 --> 00:12:16,413 brave without a little bit 454 00:12:16,413 --> 00:12:17,813 of Brene Brown sneaking in 455 00:12:17,813 --> 00:12:19,593 there or, you know, writing 456 00:12:19,593 --> 00:12:21,563 a daily email list, maybe 457 00:12:21,563 --> 00:12:22,233 you sound a little bit 458 00:12:22,233 --> 00:12:23,596 like Seth Godin, right? 459 00:12:23,850 --> 00:12:24,900 So, but the doctrine 460 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:26,620 of subconscious copying 461 00:12:26,806 --> 00:12:29,500 does allow for liability 462 00:12:29,713 --> 00:12:31,456 without regard to the 463 00:12:31,466 --> 00:12:33,333 intent or knowledge. 464 00:12:33,556 --> 00:12:34,365 Of the copying. 465 00:12:34,491 --> 00:12:36,251 So even if the copying is 466 00:12:36,371 --> 00:12:38,985 unconscious, if it rises 467 00:12:39,035 --> 00:12:40,475 to the level of copyright 468 00:12:40,475 --> 00:12:42,175 infringement, and you'll need 469 00:12:42,175 --> 00:12:44,471 to go to the last series, I 470 00:12:44,491 --> 00:12:45,751 just did a three part series 471 00:12:45,751 --> 00:12:47,041 on copyright infringement. 472 00:12:47,298 --> 00:12:48,578 So, but if we have 473 00:12:48,618 --> 00:12:49,978 subconscious copying. 474 00:12:50,186 --> 00:12:51,468 And it rises to the level 475 00:12:51,468 --> 00:12:52,928 of a copyright infringement, 476 00:12:53,110 --> 00:12:54,851 then the fact that you 477 00:12:54,871 --> 00:12:56,746 did not intend Or didn't 478 00:12:56,746 --> 00:12:58,106 even realize that you're 479 00:12:58,106 --> 00:13:00,450 copying will not save you. 480 00:13:00,706 --> 00:13:01,896 So you can be on the hook for 481 00:13:01,896 --> 00:13:03,066 copying someone else's work, 482 00:13:03,096 --> 00:13:04,426 even if you honestly didn't 483 00:13:04,426 --> 00:13:06,236 mean to and didn't know it. 484 00:13:06,493 --> 00:13:08,120 so, the issue really is, 485 00:13:08,740 --> 00:13:10,046 in today's world, we're 486 00:13:10,076 --> 00:13:11,326 constantly bombarded 487 00:13:11,326 --> 00:13:12,556 with information online. 488 00:13:12,810 --> 00:13:14,483 And when this doctrine 489 00:13:14,533 --> 00:13:16,620 of subconscious copying, 490 00:13:16,820 --> 00:13:17,710 was created, it was 491 00:13:17,710 --> 00:13:18,690 a different world. 492 00:13:18,690 --> 00:13:19,860 We weren't constantly bombed. 493 00:13:20,053 --> 00:13:21,123 Barded with information 494 00:13:21,163 --> 00:13:23,013 all day, every day, in 495 00:13:23,033 --> 00:13:24,773 podcasts, you know, in our 496 00:13:24,773 --> 00:13:26,013 scrolling through our phone, 497 00:13:26,206 --> 00:13:27,343 everywhere we go, we're 498 00:13:27,343 --> 00:13:28,603 getting information from a 499 00:13:28,603 --> 00:13:30,013 lot of sources and that we 500 00:13:30,013 --> 00:13:31,283 may not even realize it. 501 00:13:31,486 --> 00:13:33,156 and so there has been 502 00:13:33,156 --> 00:13:34,496 a push against this 503 00:13:34,566 --> 00:13:36,366 doctrine, but the end of 504 00:13:36,366 --> 00:13:38,860 the day, it is, between. 505 00:13:39,103 --> 00:13:41,593 The unconscious copier 506 00:13:41,806 --> 00:13:43,593 and the person who has a 507 00:13:43,593 --> 00:13:45,990 valid copyright, who's in a 508 00:13:45,990 --> 00:13:48,416 better position to prevent 509 00:13:48,416 --> 00:13:49,970 it from happening again. 510 00:13:49,970 --> 00:13:52,333 We, in the previous series, 511 00:13:52,363 --> 00:13:53,413 we talk about what we can 512 00:13:53,423 --> 00:13:55,093 do as copyright owners. 513 00:13:55,311 --> 00:13:57,815 To minimize the possibility 514 00:13:57,815 --> 00:13:58,845 of somebody copying our 515 00:13:58,845 --> 00:14:00,358 work, but that applies 516 00:14:00,358 --> 00:14:01,828 to conscious copying. 517 00:14:02,008 --> 00:14:02,778 It doesn't apply. 518 00:14:03,038 --> 00:14:03,788 There's no way for 519 00:14:03,788 --> 00:14:04,688 us to protect against 520 00:14:04,688 --> 00:14:05,928 subconscious copying. 521 00:14:06,145 --> 00:14:07,045 So, between the 2, 522 00:14:07,045 --> 00:14:09,255 who is in the better 523 00:14:09,255 --> 00:14:11,875 position to prevent it? 524 00:14:12,091 --> 00:14:13,571 And at the end of the day, 525 00:14:13,681 --> 00:14:16,315 it is the person who may have 526 00:14:16,315 --> 00:14:18,908 subconsciously copied because 527 00:14:18,908 --> 00:14:20,521 it would be incredibly. 528 00:14:20,686 --> 00:14:22,380 easy to say, hey, you know, I 529 00:14:22,550 --> 00:14:24,156 thought I did it about myself. 530 00:14:24,366 --> 00:14:25,836 it's easy to say that and 531 00:14:25,836 --> 00:14:27,016 it'd be very difficult 532 00:14:27,026 --> 00:14:28,306 for the person who was, in 533 00:14:28,316 --> 00:14:30,620 fact, copied to prove that. 534 00:14:30,620 --> 00:14:31,630 No, You didn't it was 535 00:14:31,630 --> 00:14:32,750 conscious copying and not 536 00:14:32,780 --> 00:14:34,901 subconscious copying and so 537 00:14:34,911 --> 00:14:36,711 it kind of provide it would 538 00:14:36,711 --> 00:14:37,881 provide an offense that would 539 00:14:37,891 --> 00:14:39,988 be unfair to the person with 540 00:14:39,998 --> 00:14:41,168 the copyright protection. 541 00:14:41,433 --> 00:14:42,165 So what does that 542 00:14:42,165 --> 00:14:43,245 mean for you? 543 00:14:43,485 --> 00:14:44,525 So you need to be 544 00:14:44,785 --> 00:14:46,245 especially important. 545 00:14:46,255 --> 00:14:46,835 This is especially 546 00:14:46,835 --> 00:14:47,615 important for you. 547 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:49,336 If you're in a niche that 548 00:14:49,346 --> 00:14:50,586 has just a handful of 549 00:14:50,596 --> 00:14:52,196 really prominent voices 550 00:14:52,361 --> 00:14:54,346 that basically most people 551 00:14:54,511 --> 00:14:56,965 recognize and so you 552 00:14:56,985 --> 00:14:58,575 need to make sure that. 553 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:00,713 Their works don't seep 554 00:15:00,743 --> 00:15:01,973 into your subconscious when 555 00:15:01,973 --> 00:15:03,013 you're creating content. 556 00:15:03,203 --> 00:15:04,693 So be aware. 557 00:15:04,783 --> 00:15:05,686 There are these prominent 558 00:15:05,686 --> 00:15:08,460 voices, and I need to be 559 00:15:08,460 --> 00:15:10,630 aware that I'm not somehow 560 00:15:10,830 --> 00:15:12,450 subconsciously incorporating 561 00:15:12,460 --> 00:15:14,116 their voices and they do 562 00:15:14,116 --> 00:15:15,486 that by making sure that 563 00:15:15,486 --> 00:15:16,846 you have your own voice. 564 00:15:17,175 --> 00:15:18,216 Remember the ideas are 565 00:15:18,216 --> 00:15:19,460 freely available, You can 566 00:15:19,460 --> 00:15:20,450 talk about their ideas. 567 00:15:20,450 --> 00:15:21,740 You can talk about bravery. 568 00:15:21,750 --> 00:15:22,836 You can talk about, being 569 00:15:22,836 --> 00:15:24,456 unique and showing up and 570 00:15:24,486 --> 00:15:26,910 positioning and, niches and 571 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,146 all the things and leadership, 572 00:15:29,156 --> 00:15:31,066 all the things that we hear 573 00:15:31,246 --> 00:15:33,780 from big voices all the time. 574 00:15:33,780 --> 00:15:35,370 You can take their ideas. 575 00:15:35,370 --> 00:15:36,900 Those are freely usable, 576 00:15:37,066 --> 00:15:38,276 but the expression 577 00:15:38,276 --> 00:15:39,556 needs to be original. 578 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:41,833 So make sure that when you're 579 00:15:41,833 --> 00:15:43,293 writing about these things. 580 00:15:43,570 --> 00:15:45,596 That you are mindful that 581 00:15:45,606 --> 00:15:46,686 those prominent voices 582 00:15:46,726 --> 00:15:48,226 aren't seeping into your work 583 00:15:48,436 --> 00:15:50,153 because it is on you to make 584 00:15:50,153 --> 00:15:51,153 sure that doesn't have that. 585 00:15:51,410 --> 00:15:52,996 there are, some tools 586 00:15:53,206 --> 00:15:54,506 to make sure that you 587 00:15:54,516 --> 00:15:55,496 haven't done that. 588 00:15:55,683 --> 00:15:56,943 I noticed recently when I 589 00:15:56,943 --> 00:15:58,183 was doing spell check on 590 00:15:58,193 --> 00:15:59,696 something so this is in 591 00:15:59,706 --> 00:16:02,326 word that it had option to 592 00:16:02,326 --> 00:16:03,846 check if you find something 593 00:16:03,846 --> 00:16:05,263 on the Internet and I tried 594 00:16:05,263 --> 00:16:06,443 it just to see how it work. 595 00:16:06,443 --> 00:16:07,113 And frankly. 596 00:16:07,113 --> 00:16:07,339 Which. 597 00:16:07,655 --> 00:16:08,575 kept working and 598 00:16:08,625 --> 00:16:09,375 working and working and 599 00:16:09,375 --> 00:16:10,285 nothing ever happened. 600 00:16:10,285 --> 00:16:11,045 And so, you know, I 601 00:16:11,045 --> 00:16:12,148 don't have all day and 602 00:16:12,148 --> 00:16:13,338 I stopped using it. 603 00:16:13,528 --> 00:16:15,718 But, there are tools, if 604 00:16:15,718 --> 00:16:17,078 you are worried about that, 605 00:16:17,308 --> 00:16:18,748 there are tools to use that. 606 00:16:18,748 --> 00:16:19,635 You can make sure you 607 00:16:19,645 --> 00:16:20,785 haven't subconsciously 608 00:16:20,835 --> 00:16:21,655 copied something. 609 00:16:21,868 --> 00:16:24,255 and so, know it seems a little 610 00:16:24,255 --> 00:16:25,570 bit scary that you can be. 611 00:16:25,715 --> 00:16:27,116 Caught for subconscious 612 00:16:27,116 --> 00:16:29,685 copying, but want to emphasize 613 00:16:29,929 --> 00:16:31,859 the ideas are freely usable. 614 00:16:31,879 --> 00:16:33,279 So if you subconsciously take 615 00:16:33,279 --> 00:16:35,269 somebody's idea, it's okay. 616 00:16:35,410 --> 00:16:37,056 But if you subconsciously 617 00:16:37,213 --> 00:16:38,809 create a copyright 618 00:16:38,839 --> 00:16:39,789 infringement. 619 00:16:39,963 --> 00:16:40,581 Which means you've 620 00:16:40,691 --> 00:16:42,374 copied their work, you've 621 00:16:42,374 --> 00:16:43,904 copied their expression, 622 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,161 then that is not okay. 623 00:16:46,336 --> 00:16:47,887 And we find this, frankly, 624 00:16:47,897 --> 00:16:48,497 we find that we don't 625 00:16:48,507 --> 00:16:49,637 find this so much in 626 00:16:49,677 --> 00:16:50,747 the work that we do. 627 00:16:50,944 --> 00:16:52,047 We know that this happens 628 00:16:52,047 --> 00:16:53,604 a lot in music because, 629 00:16:53,604 --> 00:16:54,644 for some kind of. 630 00:16:54,797 --> 00:16:56,584 beat or chord or thing 631 00:16:56,584 --> 00:16:57,614 to get into your brain. 632 00:16:57,614 --> 00:16:58,721 And then you sit down and 633 00:16:58,721 --> 00:16:59,931 write without realizing 634 00:16:59,931 --> 00:17:01,051 that you heard it somewhere. 635 00:17:01,227 --> 00:17:02,867 is a lot easier to do, than 636 00:17:02,867 --> 00:17:04,537 it is in the work that we do. 637 00:17:04,754 --> 00:17:05,864 so I don't want you to panic 638 00:17:05,864 --> 00:17:07,054 about it, but I do want 639 00:17:07,054 --> 00:17:08,014 you to be mindful of it. 640 00:17:08,241 --> 00:17:10,274 So, thank you for 641 00:17:10,334 --> 00:17:11,344 another episode. 642 00:17:11,364 --> 00:17:12,801 I do want to say that the 643 00:17:12,801 --> 00:17:15,231 Copyright Ability Series is 644 00:17:15,231 --> 00:17:16,861 sponsored by Think Beyond IP. 645 00:17:17,511 --> 00:17:19,807 Think Beyond IP helps B2B 646 00:17:19,857 --> 00:17:21,527 experts with corporate clients 647 00:17:21,767 --> 00:17:23,157 lay the intellectual property 648 00:17:23,157 --> 00:17:25,234 foundation required to build 649 00:17:25,244 --> 00:17:27,254 new scalable revenue streams. 650 00:17:27,654 --> 00:17:29,544 Think Beyond IP has the legal 651 00:17:29,544 --> 00:17:31,151 expertise and the corporate 652 00:17:31,151 --> 00:17:33,011 experience to provide expert 653 00:17:33,021 --> 00:17:34,764 focus to the issues that 654 00:17:34,764 --> 00:17:36,714 matter most to you and to 655 00:17:36,714 --> 00:17:38,174 your corporate clients. 656 00:17:38,361 --> 00:17:39,364 I encourage you to get 657 00:17:39,364 --> 00:17:40,834 your free assessment. 658 00:17:41,067 --> 00:17:42,777 Is your expertise 659 00:17:42,807 --> 00:17:43,677 copyrightable? 660 00:17:43,867 --> 00:17:44,787 You can get that 661 00:17:44,817 --> 00:17:45,077 at thinkbeyondip. 662 00:17:46,537 --> 00:17:46,937 com. 663 00:17:47,181 --> 00:17:48,261 I'll see you next time. 664 00:17:48,424 --> 00:17:49,007 Thanks guys.