Evan: I will not make that mistake again.

Kayt: Yeah, I mean, you always catch good stuff at the beginning, too.

Kayt: People are very wild at the beginning of a conversation.

Brandon: On our show, we've been doing it for almost four years, and we have just finally

Brandon: found our groove for recording.

Kayt: Yeah, I get it. I've only been doing Fangs for two years and Tender Subject

Kayt: for a year, and it's constantly shifting.

Evan: Yeah, I honestly go through times where I feel like Like I things are all every

Evan: every possible technical thing that I thought I had worked out as well.

Brandon: Yeah, we all record our audio separately on Audacity and that's it.

Brandon: We submit it to the Google Drive and it's so much smoother than every other

Brandon: fucking thing we've done.

Brandon: Unless we have a guest who doesn't have that capability that we have to.

Kayt: Yeah, fuckery, but or just like forgets, which is a thing.

Evan: I thought you use Discord to record now.

Brandon: No, that who that was whoever else we would record with. We use a handful of

Brandon: different apps and whatever, and then they all start trying to charge us money.

Kayt: Yeah, I use Zencastr, and they charge us money.

Brandon: We used Zencastr for a long time, and things went more or less well,

Brandon: and then they started charging money.

Brandon: And I don't know, it wasn't much, but for some reason, none of us would pay it.

Kayt: Well, we applied to do ads for Zencastr, and we were like, oh, they accepted us.

Kayt: So far, all we've done is like...

Kayt: sex toy ad which i'm happy thrilled to do you know like i didn't want to have

Kayt: to talk about um like online therapy or something like that because that's awful so.

Brandon: Mattresses and socks.

Kayt: Yeah i mean even a mattress i'd rather do like online therapy is like actually

Kayt: harmful so i'd rather not do that yeah.

Brandon: I've not heard anything good about it but i've not heard anything actively harmful about it it just.

Kayt: Yeah i.

Brandon: Don't know if there's one thing i can think of that you don't necessarily want

Brandon: to depersonalize it's therapy.

Kayt: For real well.

Evan: Like you see like a different person each time is that how it.

Kayt: Works no it's just i think i've i've just heard a bunch of things where i mean

Kayt: it's the same as like anyone who is on a budget with a doctor you know you're

Kayt: just seeing kind of the worst and like people who are i guess that's not fair it's not

Kayt: the worst like the actual providers aren't fine I think it's just that like

Kayt: they're overloaded and you know don't maybe don't get to form a commitment to

Kayt: you in the same way but also.

Brandon: It's a way to take advantage of providers because they do overwork them and underpay them.

Kayt: Yeah for sure.

Evan: I guess you both have, you both have podcasts. You only have,

Evan: Brandon, did you ever start your other podcast or no, not yet?

Brandon: No, I'm busy. We barely have time to record.

Evan: Fair enough. Well, I won't mention it then, even though I don't know what it

Evan: was called. You know, maybe you don't even have a name. Do you have a name for it?

Brandon: I was always kind of calling it Red Channels, but.

Evan: That's right. You did say that.

Brandon: Because Red Channels was like an industry magazine that was specifically intended

Brandon: to out communists and shit.

Evan: All right. right well thank you both for being here today to discuss the fog

Evan: and the mist both films with two words that start with the i.

Brandon: Don't know how to compare the two because i would describe a fog as sort of

Brandon: a miss and i would describe a mist as sort of fog yeah and they.

Evan: Kind of talk.

Kayt: About that isn't that in the mist so they're like is that a fog is it a mist yes.

Evan: Yes they do like Like when he's first on the lake.

Kayt: Yes, that's right. Yeah.

Evan: Before we jump into the double feature we have this week, I thought I'd let

Evan: you both introduce yourselves. And I know you both have podcasts of your own

Evan: and perhaps multiple podcasts in your case.

Evan: So, yeah. So I want to pick whichever one of you wants to go first.

Kayt: I can go. I'm Kate. I have two podcasts. One is a Buffy the Vampire Slayer rewatch podcast.

Kayt: We are on season six. We just finished Once More Was Feeling,

Kayt: which is the episode everyone's always waiting for.

Kayt: And the other podcast I have is Tender Subject, which is a cannibalism and body horror podcast.

Kayt: That one's a little bit more... Fangs is silly. tender subject is much more

Kayt: into discourse and theory and we talk about like art books um film but we get silly too.

Evan: But yeah thanks for uh for coming on and brandon you've been on the show before

Evan: but you can remind everyone your your podcast about cars yeah i'm and comrades i'm the resident.

Brandon: Dumb guy from uh cars and comrades where we talk about cars and our comrades

Brandon: yeah Yeah, we're trying to have a somewhat inclusive leftist space for people

Brandon: who are interested in the car hobby.

Brandon: We talk about labor history, car stuff, news, whatever.

Brandon: Some days we just ramble.

Evan: That's okay. That's okay. I'd say I learned more about cars than I had ever known before.

Evan: Ever. Until I've listened to your podcast. Parts of Cars I didn't know existed, but that's cool.

Brandon: I think everyone's go-to word for Cars is carburetors, and Cars don't even have those anymore.

Kayt: Oh, shit.

Evan: Just learned. Well, I guess I learned something new about Cars on this podcast.

Evan: But Kate, when I reached out, I had sent you a list of films, which I do for guests.

Evan: And I had the mist fog as a double feature because they kind of seem i guess

Evan: we'll find out how similar or how they fit together but i guess what what made

Evan: you choose them and you know do you have a um i don't know a memory of the of

Evan: those of them or i don't know anything that uh that made you pick the mist and the fog.

Kayt: Yeah um well i'm a big horror buff

Kayt: and i love john carpenter especially and i

Kayt: saw the fog at a at

Kayt: salem uh film festival a

Kayt: couple years ago on the big screen which was really cool um so my experience

Kayt: of it i think was just you know necessarily bigger and more exciting than like

Kayt: a lot of the times when we watch older movies because it was on the big screen

Kayt: and it was like Like at midnight,

Kayt: it just felt like the memory is very nice.

Kayt: And then The Mist I actually just saw recently.

Kayt: And I thought was, for a minute, I thought it was a John Carpenter movie.

Kayt: Obviously, it's not. It's based on a Stephen King book.

Kayt: But I thought the idea of the two together, it's like the horror of formlessness

Kayt: and the atmosphere. fear that uh is very appealing i can.

Brandon: Tell from that sentence that i am out of my league.

Kayt: Oh boy it's gonna get worse no,

Kayt: yeah i'm a giant nerd um i get really excited talking about horror because i

Kayt: feel like it uh it's it like forces you to look at,

Kayt: at things like you can't you can't turn away and you can't ignore and like that's

Kayt: a big part of the fog i think.

Evan: Yeah i agree with that and i know for you brandon you didn't you didn't technically

Evan: get to choose this but i know from we've done the thing and we did we do another

Evan: john carpenter no just that yeah this is only i think the.

Brandon: Second time we've recorded together but i really really.

Evan: No we also no no we did escape from uh escape from la oh.

Brandon: I forgot about that.

Evan: So also carpenter So this is the third one.

Brandon: Oh, yeah. Oh, I didn't realize that

Brandon: I was strictly resigned to doing John Carpenter movies, but I accept it.

Evan: Yes, yes. Well, I mean, did you have like, was this even like in the top of

Evan: your, I was trying to like think in my head because I'm also a huge John Carpenter fan.

Evan: I wouldn't even say this is in my top five. He just has a lot of great ones,

Evan: but it was sort of maybe like a forgotten one sometimes.

Evan: So I don't know if you've like always liked that one too.

Evan: It came to me later. i think i saw it maybe for the first time four or five years ago.

Brandon: I mean if you remember i kind of got excited when you said that you were going

Brandon: to do the mist because uh at that point i didn't

Brandon: realize that you were doing a double feature so yeah

Brandon: the fog's not one of my my john carpenter all-time greats

Brandon: um i mean i think i probably have the usual all-time greats except i also really

Brandon: like prince of darkness um which all my friends love to hate on so i don't know

Brandon: where people stand but uh i i stand by loving them i remember seeing the mist

Brandon: when it was maybe I didn't see it in theaters, but it was like maybe a year old.

Brandon: And as I told you, my friends made me watch it on DVD, the black and white version,

Brandon: which is the only way to watch this movie. Like,

Brandon: right up front that's the fuck because the cgi is the weak point of this movie

Brandon: it really is and dude when you put it the black and white it really like tones

Brandon: down how bad the cgi is and it's a different fucking movie it's so much better

Brandon: it really lets like the horror elements shine because you're not distracted

Brandon: by like bad cgi bullshit yeah.

Kayt: In my brain somehow i i decided that the mist was all practical effects and

Kayt: then when i watched it again this week i was very disappointed in myself that

Kayt: I had, I had like somehow subbed that in.

Evan: Well, they did use a lot of them more than probably most movies did in the early

Evan: two. Well, I guess not even early 2007.

Evan: But there are Yeah, I mean, the special effects, I would agree with you,

Evan: Brandon, I had never didn't know there was a black and white one until you told me.

Evan: And I thought, Okay, well, if I'm gonna watch it, I can't find it anywhere.

Evan: So I bought the the blu ray and watch the bunch of the special features,

Evan: which were also pretty fun but the black and white one was definitely a slightly

Evan: different uh definitely a different vibe and gives it more of that sort of i

Evan: don't know lovecraftian kind of mysterious kind of movie than it is in it's

Evan: you know the way it was intended but either either way i think it's still it's

Evan: still uh you know solid and for.

Brandon: Anyone not in the know it's the exact same movie it's just black and white but

Brandon: it feels like it changes the tone a lot.

Evan: Yeah i would say that's probably true um

Evan: yeah i mean i was

Evan: i was i think i put on my little notes i was gonna brandon you

Evan: may not have done i didn't used to do this like a little icebreaker but i've

Evan: maybe we'll do it uh slightly different i had wrote down normally like you know

Evan: what's your if you could have you know dinner or something with a an actor living

Evan: or dead who would it be but i'm gonna instead put you both on the spot on your

Evan: uh not in order but what you would say is your top carpenter film just because

Evan: you were talking about it brandon and now i feel like i've got to know Oh.

Brandon: That's almost cheating because it's the thing.

Kayt: Yeah, mine is also the thing as number one.

Brandon: It's because it's not just my favorite John Carpenter movie. It's my favorite movie.

Evan: I would concur with that. And then like beyond that, like to the next couple

Evan: kind of could be, you know, ask me on a different day, escape from New York,

Evan: sold on pre-613, they live. I mean, all those others, Halloween.

Evan: It's kind of a toss up. What about Mouth of Madness? That's another one I actually just.

Kayt: I like that one.

Evan: That's another good one.

Brandon: I rewatched that one.

Evan: It's also, I feel like one of the forgotten one a little bit.

Evan: it yeah i think the only the only one i would say probably most people wouldn't

Evan: pick up near the top is probably vampires which isn't my favorite but i.

Brandon: Mean again i wouldn't put prince of darkness up towards the top but i still

Brandon: feel like it's it's underrated and i really like it i.

Evan: Haven't seen it in a long time i probably do to yeah to re-watch it again um.

Brandon: I think i'm trying to remember who's in it is it alice cooper that's in it there's

Brandon: like some like uh like music like musician or somebody that's like one of the

Brandon: like homeless people like shambling about outside and i just always appreciate that one.

Evan: Of the guys who's in it is also in big trouble little china i think maybe i misremember.

Brandon: Yeah i think uh jack burton's uh buddy that brings him into like the folds in

Brandon: chinatown is i think he's in prince of darkness too yes that's that's yeah it's

Brandon: pretty obvious that john carpenter has a certain set of actors he really likes

Brandon: working with and goes back to them when possible i.

Evan: Guess everyone can come in agreement that the thing is the best john carpenter

Evan: john carpenter film i feel uh i feel like i don't need to there's no no arguments

Evan: need to commence over that.

Evan: But I guess when I think of these as, I mean, you already kind of alluded to

Evan: it, Kate, the kind of the way that the mist and the fog kind of come together

Evan: as, you know, a good double feature.

Evan: I mean, I'm sure I'm not the first person to think of these two going together,

Evan: but do either of you see like any connection beyond just kind of the,

Evan: I guess, kind of the unknown you see, you know, as you said,

Evan: in the mist, they refer to it as a fog, you know, in the fog,

Evan: they could have referred to it as a mist.

Evan: You know, they're just kind of weather terms if you, you know, get to it.

Evan: So I don't know what you think of them as kind of like any kind of connection of beyond that.

Brandon: I'm gonna leave this to smart movie person.

Kayt: Uh i mean there's

Kayt: the aspects of religion i think that

Kayt: are a big part of it um you know

Kayt: in in the fog it's like

Kayt: the myth sort of is like retribution you

Kayt: know so there's like a lot of i guess there's a lot of um

Kayt: themes of like penance and

Kayt: sinning and like you know you sort

Kayt: of you get what's coming to you um in

Kayt: the mist obviously that's like one character who's

Kayt: kind of like turning everyone into you know who's like has develops this like

Kayt: cult-like following but um in the fog it's like the whole town owes a debt you

Kayt: know and the the priest is sort of the the only one who wants to talk about it and.

Evan: Really and only because and almost only by accident.

Kayt: Right He finds the little.

Evan: The diary and other than like, because of the store, like, I guess it's almost,

Evan: you could say that the, him finding the, uh, the little diary from his grandfather

Evan: was inevitable because it was the anniversary and it created the little,

Evan: I don't know, like the little, uh,

Evan: earthquake or I don't know what you, something like that little storm causes

Evan: a little, uh, the little diary to come loose.

Evan: And then he, you know, the, uh, cause I think it was, was it supposed to be the one hundred year?

Kayt: Yeah, it's their, it's their like celebration. Celebration. So they're like,

Kayt: yeah, celebrating a town that would not exist without the massacre that occurred 100 years ago.

Kayt: And like, yeah, they're just sort of like...

Kayt: We can't talk about this right now. Like, we have a celebration.

Kayt: People are excited. The town was built on this.

Evan: Yeah, I mean, it's kind of like the celebration of really like any American

Evan: patriotic type holiday, right?

Evan: Like, just you could, well, July 4th or, I don't know, I guess that's really the birthday one.

Evan: But any of those is just celebrating the massacre of someone.

Evan: In this case, it was a little bit different, which actually we'll get to,

Evan: which I think I'm curious how you look at the group that was coming in to settle,

Evan: you know, that was massacred by the local town.

Evan: but the one thing I was going to mention just about I only learned this I think earlier today,

Evan: is that the the fog apparently was

Evan: like conceived by Debra Hill which I guess was John Carpenter's I don't know

Evan: if they were married girlfriend I think at the time they had gone to Stonehenge

Evan: and as just as a an aside I just came back from England and went to Stonehenge

Evan: and then learned this the next day is that apparently they gain inspiration

Evan: for the movie because of a fog that That covered the area.

Evan: And if you've ever been to England, you know that it's always rainy and cold and foggy.

Evan: So apparently they used that and some other stories in a couple other movies from British history.

Evan: I think from the 50s. I'm blanking on the name of the movie now.

Evan: And so that was kind of their inspiration for it.

Evan: But when I was watching it, and this is my...

Evan: I don't know, my theory on the movie in some way or as a metaphor.

Evan: Because I took it as like a metaphor for imperialism, where you see this,

Evan: you know, this town that is intentionally shipwrecking this other group,

Evan: which was trying to set up a leper colony potentially to, you know,

Evan: help people. They had lots of gold.

Evan: And clearly they were also, you know, we don't really know anything about where

Evan: they came from, except that they had this gold and that was then stolen by the

Evan: town to, to build their own town.

Evan: So not much different than you could say any colony of Britain or any of these

Evan: other places going into Africa, stealing their gold and their resources,

Evan: then using it to build their own wealth.

Evan: So that was kind of like, I don't necessarily think that John Carpenter was

Evan: going for that there, but that was kind of my take on it. So I don't know.

Brandon: I noticed how both movies had themes of weather.

Kayt: You know, mist, fog, fog fog mist.

Brandon: Oh i totally missed that oh no,

Brandon: i almost.

Evan: Spit out my water there you you took you did that at the perfect time.

Brandon: Yeah uh i i did intentionally say a dumb thing i just uh i i'm not gonna get

Brandon: as analytical i i uh i just was gonna say that like it's a weather phenomenon

Brandon: that's a trope in every horror movie for ever uh I feel like it's probably less abused now,

Brandon: but like, man, in the 50s and 60s, that was every black and white movie.

Brandon: I feel like it was just something coming out of the mist, out of the fog,

Brandon: whatever, what have you.

Brandon: So I was just going to comment that they're both really exceptional movies that

Brandon: like really called out the trope and then went beyond it.

Brandon: Because yeah, Creatures in the Mist is as old as horror.

Kayt: It's a great ghost story. And like the fact that it opens with a Poe quote,

Kayt: I think is like a good, and also like the first scene is just like telling a

Kayt: ghost story around a campfire.

Kayt: You know, it's like, that's such a classic.

Kayt: set up and like it does deliver it's a creepy spooky fun movie like it's not

Kayt: super scary but i think it's it's a nice.

Brandon: Well i mean i follow the story the the

Brandon: mist takes it in a different direction because it's cosmic horror

Brandon: and it's pervasive in the

Brandon: whole movie but that's like yes it's not what the movie's about

Brandon: like the horror element is like sure there's tentacle monsters

Brandon: outside that are gonna like murder you if you try and explore but

Brandon: what the fuck's that lady planning because i

Brandon: mean she certainly doesn't know um actually i

Brandon: i wish that i was i could remember where i found it but i i came

Brandon: across a video where somebody did like their 20 minute long theory on why the

Brandon: lady was actually correct um not just like correct in her assessment of the

Brandon: situation but like that that she was like somehow dialed in to uh the cosmic

Brandon: horror aspect of it and was just calling it correctly um i don't think that's that off base.

Kayt: For the mist.

Brandon: Yeah yeah no i don't think it's it's it's off base it's just it wasn't it's

Brandon: it's not especially well developed enough i think that you can really like well

Brandon: i'm sure either of you could i i can't um no i just i just thought it was in

Brandon: a like took a relatively ordinary run-of-the-mill setting and made it something much bigger well.

Evan: To the point about like the about the fog being you know a a really good ghost story.

Evan: I mean, it had, I mean, I, I'm trying to think of other, I don't,

Evan: at least in that time period, which the movie came out in 1980,

Evan: which is also coincidentally the same year that the missed book was written by Stephen King.

Evan: I don't, I couldn't find anything that there was any, since they came out around

Evan: the same time, there wasn't probably any influence either, you know,

Evan: from Stephen King writing his book.

Evan: But the, um, oh, I was gonna say the, like the ghost story thing.

Evan: Like, I think it's a perfect, as you said, Kate, it's a perfect setup.

Evan: and it's, you know, the...

Evan: I wouldn't say it's a perfect movie. It's not maybe my favorite John Carpenter

Evan: movie, but I like all of the aspects of the kind of the, the,

Evan: the world built the world that he builds of this town and kind of the, the cool nature of the,

Evan: you know, the ship and they're going out and I don't know, it,

Evan: all of it is, it's all very John Carpenter-y.

Evan: That's if, if it could be a thing, it all feels very on kind of his,

Evan: you know, if you watch the movie and didn't know it was a John Carpenter film,

Evan: I think it'll be pretty clear aside from the music and the way he builds the

Evan: kind of the tension in the boat when they're finally,

Evan: when one of the group that was drinking with their buddies gets killed by the

Evan: first victims of the fog.

Evan: The fog? I'm going to say the wrong weather thing here.

Kayt: But yeah, I think it's- Yeah, right, yeah.

Brandon: Killed by the drizzle.

Evan: Killed by the drizzle. The drizzle of the fog. Yeah, there was no...

Evan: Well, we'll get more to the mist, I guess, in a little bit. I mean,

Evan: I guess we're kind of talking about both of them.

Evan: But there was another thing I was going to mention about the fog,

Evan: and now I forgot what it was.

Evan: But yeah, I'm just sticking to the... Well, maybe this is purely speculative,

Evan: but what do you think the gold and all of the things that Blake,

Evan: I guess, is the person that they...

Evan: Was the head of the crew that they killed that was trying to make this leper colony.

Evan: My theory would fall apart if they had gotten that gold from the Global South

Evan: themselves, and then they were also equally terrible, perhaps still didn't deserve to get murdered.

Evan: But I don't know. What do you think?

Evan: Their backstory that we have no information about.

Kayt: Out um i mean i i i don't know

Kayt: if john carpenter had this in mind um

Kayt: but uh sorry

Kayt: i'm gonna get real heady um so

Kayt: foucault wrote a lot about lepers and

Kayt: like you know quote unquote madmen um and

Kayt: like the exclusion of the

Kayt: leper or the madman um

Kayt: is like central to the spiritual spiritual

Kayt: reintegration of the community so like civilization the way we think of it like

Kayt: western terms is grounded in like the exclusion of something that we consider to be like unruly.

Kayt: So I think like, you know, Blake was a, was a really wealthy man,

Kayt: but he was a leper and like had this colony of lepers. And I think the, the.

Kayt: Town was like sort of horrified by the

Kayt: idea of like walking around and seeing lepers walk around

Kayt: with them you know and and they were like we can't have like a nice seaside

Kayt: town with these people just like wandering around that's disgusting and unruly

Kayt: and you know so i think like um whatever Whatever the other is that we've decided is scary,

Kayt: that's like the antithesis of like having a civilized society.

Kayt: And this town was like sort of hell-bent on becoming that, you know?

Evan: You could substitute leper for, you know, a, I don't know, you know, now I'm having a...

Evan: yeah you say just whatever the the the

Evan: actual town just wanted it's i'm

Evan: mumbling uh like it could have just been they could have it's whoever

Evan: they wanted to oppress essentially anyone who was trying to come in and and

Evan: doing you know good for the people in their community and they're saying well

Evan: no no no how are we going to get tourists to come in here and uh you know go

Evan: surfing or i don't know what they do in this town go boating if there's lepers

Evan: walking around you're going to of ruin our shit.

Kayt: It's like the state of California has decided that homeless people can't exist in it.

Kayt: You know, and like, where do you and the only solution is to just keep pushing

Kayt: them around and like trying to disappear people rather than like what the, you know,

Kayt: moral, humane thing would be to just like give people places to live.

Evan: Yeah, and then on the other side, you wonder it makes me think that the,

Evan: actual town um that's there already what is it um what's the name of the town i'm like something.

Kayt: Bay antonio bay.

Evan: Antonio bay right so i it seems based on the like the priest in this you know

Evan: very nice kind of uh placey the nice church it seems like their their colony

Evan: or their town was built probably on you know converting people to christianity

Evan: and presumably or probably doing it,

Evan: exploitatively so even so this this this kind of makes me now think that there's

Evan: no redeeming qualities obviously about the people who built the town and that

Evan: it makes me kind of have you have sympathy now for blake you know maybe they

Evan: got the gold who knows how he acquired his wealth but at least he's trying to

Evan: do good in this time so you know they deserve to uh get fogged.

Kayt: Fogged buddy you've been fogged.

Evan: Been fogged yes well yeah the like the way that they built the ghost too I thought

Evan: was pretty cool with them you know they knock on the door like oh you know should

Evan: we let them in you know yeah all the like kill scenes I thought were pretty

Evan: cool and the kind of returning to,

Evan: life too it's you know going after you know this town's 100 years old it's in

Evan: I guess do they say it's on the coast of California so you know these people

Evan: have been living there for 100 years and their family still live there and they're

Evan: going to come back for their revenge so you know maybe someone should fog some

Evan: of the other people who built to america right there's.

Kayt: Something really interesting too about how it like uh the fog like turns off

Kayt: all the lights and also like electricity and like kind of grinds everything

Kayt: to a halt like everything just stops.

Evan: Yeah i.

Kayt: Was like trying to work on some sort of like anti-work theory and i was like

Kayt: i'm not getting there but like not this time but but that's interesting like

Kayt: i guess it's kind of like um grinding like normal life to a halt you know like

Kayt: people can't continue to do their like regular town stuff.

Evan: But what's funny is that they still try to right like

Evan: the little like the little ceremony is still going they lose the

Evan: microphone i think and then they're like well we're still gonna have our

Evan: little procession like with candles and you know talk about uh you know and

Evan: and some of them know at this point people members of the town know about the

Evan: shady thing that's that you know the they have this information now and they're

Evan: still like well i mean what can we do they're all dead so yeah um yeah.

Kayt: It's like every bureaucrat and like you know who runs every town in a horror

Kayt: movie like you know the mayor of jaws and the mayor of jaws.

Evan: The mayor.

Kayt: In jaws Yeah, that's... Yeah.

Evan: The mayor of Jaws, like the mayor, because I think of Jaws, the shark is like,

Evan: you know, a stand-in for, say, capitalism, something like that. So if the...

Evan: He's the mayor of it, so he's like, you know...

Evan: the capitals leader the president is.

Kayt: His man is.

Evan: Like his tough.

Kayt: Guy who like does all the stuff he doesn't want to have to do to keep people in line and.

Evan: Yeah yeah he's like the but

Evan: yeah i

Evan: don't know the when i'm thinking about the uh there are

Evan: other aspects of the fog that i had written um this is

Evan: just one funny line that i had was like one of the first notes i had

Evan: is when jamie lee curtis who's like hitchhiking into

Evan: town and she you know gets into the car with i

Evan: think it's uh is it named nick i think it's his name played by tom atkins he's

Evan: like he goes she goes are you weird it made me laugh every time i was like that's

Evan: just that's that's your question and then she's you know talking about oh you

Evan: know okay i guess i'm glad that you're weird or whatever.

Kayt: Yeah, he's like, absolutely. And then they're in bed together.

Evan: And I was looking at the age difference.

Brandon: That answers my question 100% of the time, though.

Kayt: Yeah.

Evan: Well, yeah, I mean nothing wrong with that. I think the other thing that's weird

Evan: is that Jamie Lee Curtis was probably 25, let's see,

Evan: 32, and I think that Tom Atkins was like 50. It's a little weird.

Kayt: Yeah, it was a May-December.

Evan: It's not that far. Yeah.

Kayt: I mean, it's so funny. Their whole whole relationship is really funny because

Kayt: it does kind of like exist outside of like the goings-on of the town you know

Kayt: it's like this all this stuff is going on that's like very official and they

Kayt: have to like plan this ceremony and whatever and like the two of them are just sort of like,

Kayt: detectives like randomly on their own yes.

Evan: They are they're like yeah they're they're they show up at each place they don't

Evan: really i mean jamie lee curtis is just kind of like with him at the bar and

Evan: he's like, yep, do you want to go with me to this random place to do this,

Evan: you know, to check this out? He's like, sure, why not? What else I got to do?

Evan: You know, she's just, I don't know, it's the early 80s. She's just hitchhiking

Evan: through, I think she said she's going to Sacramento. I don't remember where, San Diego.

Evan: something i guess it doesn't really matter but yeah her kirk the whole jimmy

Evan: curtis in this is kind of uh i don't

Evan: know i like her character in it but i feel like the the person

Evan: who's sort of like the main you know the main female lead

Evan: is uh stevie who's like has the coolest job ever she has a radio show from like

Evan: the top of this awesome um lighthouse you know just playing records and you

Evan: know doing her steamy you know uh kind of radio voice at midnight or whatever it's,

Evan: it's great i know that that's like that whole vibe about the movie i think is is awesome just the,

Evan: you know the capture sort of like this early 80s uh california ghost vibe or

Evan: i don't know i don't know what how to describe it those aren't very good descriptive words it.

Kayt: Is a dream job from a a dream location it's pretty cool which.

Evan: But she can't so she's i think they mentioned that she owns the lighthouse yeah

Evan: i think but that seems to be her only job per se so it's the 80s she seems to

Evan: have a pretty sweet you can get by you can get by on it well like five dollars i don't know don't.

Brandon: You live in the lighthouse though.

Evan: No she doesn't though she has like a separate beach pizza house.

Brandon: Yeah, like waterfront property.

Kayt: She has two waterfront properties in California.

Evan: Yeah, but I mean, one of them is a walk-up, right? So it's cheaper.

Evan: She has to walk up like 50 stairs and like down, like she goes,

Evan: there's a lot of staircases involved.

Evan: It would not have been so fun moving into the lighthouse. But yeah,

Evan: she's got like a sweet record collection, playing things.

Evan: I don't know. That whole aspect of it I thought was just, yeah,

Evan: it's very cool. I don't know.

Kayt: It's a good way to do exposition, too. Like, that she kind of gets to...

Kayt: explain things from like the high point

Kayt: of like the lighthouse you know that it's not like it's for a reason because

Kayt: she's reporting on like the weather you know so we get to hear about the weather

Kayt: all over and she gets to talk about it in a way that's interesting and not just

Kayt: kind of like thrown in in a kind of weird awkward way yeah.

Evan: And it's one of my favorite uh like horror movie i guess it's a trope i think

Evan: i always think of like night of living dead as kind of the Well,

Evan: not the first one, but maybe one of the best ones of using the radio to give

Evan: people in the movie or in the town information about what they have to do.

Evan: And she's literally the character that is doing the radio show.

Evan: She gets calls from the weather guy who ends up getting fogged,

Evan: which I'm just going to go with the fog thing.

Kayt: Yeah, I like it as a verb.

Evan: Yeah, he gets killed and he had been giving her information about the weather and the whole thing.

Evan: yes that's basically what he was doing which you know

Evan: if he had just if he hadn't been so flirty he wouldn't have had to go into work

Evan: that day and then taking a shift he didn't need to but that's the other thing

Evan: too he doesn't was he one of the original six people no he just happens to be

Evan: in the wrong place the wrong time just take.

Kayt: I wasn't sure if they just took sick it was just like well well, we just need six people.

Evan: Oh, maybe that's true. The only people that seem to, well, they have the priest

Evan: whose grandfather was presumably part of the town.

Evan: And then I feel like the woman who was sort of the, was she the mayor or the, maybe she was the mayor?

Evan: What do they say is her title? No, they don't say she's the mayor.

Evan: She's just sort of like the leader of the town.

Evan: I just presume that she also must have been somehow related to it, but either way.

Evan: Yeah, so he just, yeah, the fog, it wasn't very you know selective in their

Evan: killings you know they just will kill anyone that opens the door presumably

Evan: but then it seemed like they could also come through the windows anyway so I

Evan: don't know why they had to really open the door after all,

Evan: courtesy because they don't yeah it's it's what it's like vampires they have

Evan: to like let them in or something you know they're very they're not very polite this.

Brandon: Actually was uh this is a prequel to vampires,

Brandon: you have to stop drinking when.

Evan: I'm talking i will say i know i swear every time i take some water you say something

Evan: and i'm about to spit it across my screen and create a create a mist of of water.

Kayt: It's like an interactive podcast yeah.

Evan: You need you need one of those uh what are those movies like the 4dx where

Evan: you sit and they like spit spit water and fog and smoke someone told me they

Evan: saw the twisters the the new twisters movie under in the 4d and it like would

Evan: shoot you know air at you during the twisters which i guess is kind of cool

Evan: but also to me would be really i actively don't want that yeah it's also really funny because.

Kayt: They they were showing them at like the amcs where you can like dine in and

Kayt: it's like if somebody brought their like burger in there and then they're just

Kayt: getting like sprayed and like shook every which way,

Kayt: like it doesn't seem like an ideal dining experience.

Evan: No, I, yeah, though. I mean the dining and do while eating while in a movie

Evan: is like in theory is good, but I just feel like if your popcorn is just the

Evan: popcorn and candy soda scene.

Evan: Yeah. Maybe I'm a purist, I guess.

Brandon: I'm with you except that peak movie theater is when they also serve beer.

Evan: Yeah.

Kayt: Yeah, I'm all about that.

Brandon: Because my movie theater experience is that I'm going to have beer either way.

Brandon: So if they sell it to me, it's easier for both of us.

Evan: Rather than having to bring in the pocket beer.

Brandon: Yeah, I've brought in full bottles of whiskey to the movies.

Brandon: So they're saving themselves a lot of trouble if they just sell me beer.

Kayt: Fair enough.

Evan: I actually did go to one of those theaters recently. I saw, I think it was Civil

Evan: War, and the only theater it was playing at was one of those dine-in ones.

Evan: And the people next to me had a pitcher of margaritas, they had wings.

Evan: They were having an entire feast while we're watching it. I don't think they,

Evan: like, they also really weren't paying attention to the movie.

Evan: So essentially, it was just them eating out at a really expensive restaurant

Evan: while a movie was playing at the same time, which I don't get that.

Brandon: I had a really similar experience recently, but kind of inverted,

Brandon: where there's a horror-themed, classic Universal Monsters-themed restaurant

Brandon: in Philly called Monster Vegan. Oh, yeah.

Kayt: I live in Philly. Yeah.

Brandon: Wait, you live in Philly? Yeah.

Kayt: Oh. And you love horror.

Brandon: We have some mutual friends.

Kayt: Yeah, we must.

Brandon: Because I go to the Horror-a-thon every year.

Kayt: Oh, cool. Okay.

Brandon: I've gone to the Horror-a-thon for the last 12 or 13 years.

Kayt: Hell yeah.

Brandon: Yeah.

Kayt: Look at that.

Brandon: I lost my train of thought.

Kayt: Sorry.

Brandon: Oh, yeah. I went to Monster Vegan while they were doing a quote-unquote screening.

Brandon: They were just using a projector for an alligator.

Brandon: But it was just a regular dining experience. They just have a movie playing

Brandon: for you in the background.

Evan: I like restaurants that do that. Even if it's not like for a thing where they

Evan: just show like, you know, there's a one near me where they just show like old,

Evan: like kind of film noirs just playing in the background.

Evan: You can have like a drink and you can't hear it, but you can have something.

Brandon: This is a little bit more engaged than that. Like they do like book a specific

Brandon: room where like, you don't really have to have a reservation,

Brandon: but like you just reserve it ahead of time, which I guess is what a reservation

Brandon: is. I don't know how words work.

Evan: Um i guess the

Evan: one thing i was going to say about since we're all we'll get into the mist inside

Evan: of the really bad cgi in the

Evan: fog there isn't really that much cgi necessary

Evan: but i think the little bit they have in the practical effects that

Evan: carpenter uses for some of like the the killing kill

Evan: scenes and some of the dead bodies is all like pretty good i think it all holds

Evan: up pretty well given you know other i mean for most of carpenter's movies i

Evan: think the cgi might hold up except for maybe the escape from LA and New York

Evan: some of those are as Brendan and I discussed were pretty terrible spot.

Brandon: On man perfect flawless.

Evan: Flawless flawless CGI or not flawless flawlessly bad I.

Brandon: Was saying flawless as in perfect but I was being deeply sarcastic.

Evan: Yeah I would have hoped so given that we went on that for a little while during

Evan: that but yeah other than that like I think the fog is you know I don't know it's,

Evan: the vibe of the entire movie for me is you know it's there but i don't know

Evan: do you have any uh kate any last kind of thoughts on the fog and then we can

Evan: switch to the other weather pattern for today no.

Kayt: I mean i think it's great i love the music it's you know another john carpenter

Kayt: special um it's a someone actually on uh the internet said it was like a thanks

Kayt: a good thanksgiving movie um.

Evan: Which is.

Kayt: You know coming up so if you want to watch it for but it feels like a good fall,

Kayt: like spooky fall movie you're getting into your like cozy pumpkin haunted stuff

Kayt: so like halloween or thanksgiving i think is like a good time yeah.

Evan: I can actually see thanksgiving because now that now that i made the like the

Evan: joke that it's kind of similar to you know the holiday that they're celebrating

Evan: their centennial so i guess it's kind of the same idea in a way thanksgiving is more of of a fall.

Evan: It is a fall holiday as July 4th is not.

Evan: So this is, so is this, is this like a, this is a Thanksgiving movie then?

Kayt: Yeah.

Evan: I like it.

Kayt: And there aren't that many Thanksgiving horror movies. There are a couple in there. Pretty bad.

Evan: Yeah. As I say, I can't think of any really good Thanksgiving horror movies.

Kayt: Yeah. Thanksgiving is extremely, extremely bad.

Evan: Yeah. That's the only one that I can think of really at the top of my mind.

Evan: Yeah. So if you're listening out there and you have you know five to ten million

Evan: dollars to make a movie consider making a thanksgiving actually you could do

Evan: something like this where you just kill a bunch of the founding fathers of america i mean i.

Kayt: Think there's a lot of ideas there for people with horror wasn't.

Brandon: There a thanksgiving themed slasher flick like a year or two ago.

Kayt: There's one that's like a pilgrim thanksgiving slasher right.

Evan: Oh yeah yeah.

Brandon: That was it was actually not terrible it wasn't great but but I didn't hate it.

Kayt: Well, there can be, yeah, there can be more. I feel like if somebody made one

Kayt: that was kind of like the witch, the vich for Thanksgiving specifically.

Brandon: To me, that feels like a Thanksgiving movie.

Kayt: Yeah, no, that's definitely a Thanksgiving movie. We should curate like a sort

Kayt: of tangentially Thanksgiving film festival.

Evan: Isn't there a movie? I don't think I've actually seen it.

Evan: I want to say that Bruce Campbell was in some movie about Black Friday.

Evan: Did I make that up?

Evan: I have to look that up. For some reason, it sounds like I thought because Black

Evan: Friday, I assume, would be like took place in a store.

Kayt: Oh, like the horrors of malls. Yeah.

Evan: I think anything related to shopping is kind of like a horror movie to Dawn

Evan: of the Dead, which I guess that's not a Thanksgiving movie, but it takes place

Evan: in a... That's about all I got there.

Evan: But yeah, so I guess we can go over to The Mist.

Evan: And I think you had mentioned, Brandon, that you can see it in the black and

Evan: white if you have the DVD.

Evan: I couldn't find it anywhere online otherwise, which is why I went with that.

Evan: But the one thing that I thought was really cool, I mean, neither of these movies have very high budgets.

Evan: I forgot to mention that the fog was only made for a million dollars and it

Evan: netted 21 million in the box office.

Evan: Whereas the mist, you know, with inflation, it's up to 18 million in 2007 for

Evan: the budget, and it made 57 million.

Evan: So pretty solid. But the thing that I learned about it is that Frank Darabont,

Evan: when he wanted to make the movie and got the rights from Stephen King,

Evan: he apparently was told they had to make the movie and film it in six weeks,

Evan: which I think might've also included some of the editing.

Evan: They had to do the whole thing in just a couple months, which is crazy.

Evan: And they basically said, I'll do that if you let me keep the original ending,

Evan: which I'm sure we'll talk about, is a pretty brutal ending as far as endings go.

Evan: Endings that you don't normally see in movies in general, which the studio did not want to.

Evan: I think Harvey Weinstein might have been part of that, or maybe I I made that up.

Evan: For some reason, I thought Harvey Weinstein said they didn't want to have it.

Evan: Maybe I'm misremembering. Anyway, but yeah, The Mist is an adaptation of the

Evan: Stephen King book from 1980, which the ending is completely different than his book.

Evan: And they have a special feature on the Blu-ray with them talking about it.

Evan: And he said, Stephen King, that it was one of his few favorite adaptations of any of his books.

Evan: And I think Frank Darabont pretty much killed this this, uh.

Brandon: I could be mixing this up with something else, but didn't he say about The Mist

Brandon: that he liked their ending better than his own?

Evan: He did say that, yep.

Brandon: Which, admittedly, when I first saw this movie, I think if the ending had been

Brandon: different, I would have probably more or less forgotten about it,

Brandon: but it was so fucking memorable.

Kayt: Yeah, the ending is such, it wrecks you.

Brandon: It's brutal.

Kayt: It is brutal.

Brandon: And when I watched it again years

Brandon: later, I was like, oh, this whole movie actually is solid and stands up.

Brandon: That ending is probably the reason that I actually came back and revisited the movie.

Evan: Yeah, I think the tropes in it, as far as the Lovecraftian, you mentioned,

Evan: Brandon, the cosmic horror.

Evan: You have sort of that religious kind of woman in it, which I think is an interesting

Evan: piece we can also discuss.

Evan: us and then you have kind of like just the monsters in

Evan: the mist literally you know of unknown origin you

Evan: know that at first you don't think you don't know what's there you don't know

Evan: that's out there and then slowly see more and more of them and the practical

Evan: effects they use for some of the monsters was good but the cgi for the ones

Evan: they use was really bad but that's the only knock on the movie i would say is the scene honestly it's.

Kayt: So funny that like i guess we haven't gotten there

Kayt: yet and like me i kind of hope maybe we don't but like how we have nostalgia

Kayt: for practical effects we have no nostalgia for like early cgi um says a lot

Kayt: about yeah like practical effects and how they can like hold up.

Brandon: In my limited experience dealing with the young

Brandon: folks um it's it's been in my experience that like for like i'm i'm 40 people

Brandon: of of my sort of uh peer group yeah extremely uh nostalgic for for practical

Brandon: effects yeah i find that like a lot of younger people that i've talked to about

Brandon: horror movies which granted not a lot of,

Brandon: i've done this with but they're relatively indifferent they're just

Brandon: kind of like all right whatever i mean like granted that you know if you're younger you're

Brandon: coming up in an era where cgi has gotten so much better because we all had to

Brandon: suffer through the real worst of it yeah um but yeah that when you like i worked

Brandon: with someone last year who was mid-20s actually told me their favorite movie

Brandon: was the thing but like we talk about modern stuff with like heavy cgi and like

Brandon: never mentioned CGI versus practical effects.

Brandon: It just wasn't a factor to her, you know, viewing experience,

Brandon: which to me, like the reason the thing is one of my favorite movies is that.

Kayt: Oh yeah. And like finding out, like watching the behind the scenes movie of

Kayt: the thing and like hearing all the special effects guys talk about how they

Kayt: like gassed themselves by accident once and like set the place on fire.

Kayt: fire and you know like uh the.

Brandon: Way they made.

Kayt: The thing logo like in a fish tank is like the coolest shit.

Brandon: That's so fucking cool yeah i was i was gutted recently because i learned that

Brandon: when they did the like requel or whatever you want to call it for the thing

Brandon: um apparently that director's favorite movie was the thing and he like genuinely

Brandon: wanted to like do it justice and apparently he insisted that like,

Brandon: most to all of the effects be practical and like

Brandon: after the fact producers were like uh this actually

Brandon: sucks make it all cgi um so apparently the original intention was the director

Brandon: was like no no i want to do justice to one of my favorite movies let's do this

Brandon: right and it got fucked over by the studio yeah typical yeah so i i don't know

Brandon: if there's like a like a director's cut that has more

Brandon: practical effects out there or to what stage it made it to.

Brandon: But it made me really curious about what could have been.

Evan: Yeah. I mean, the one thing I did also learn about in the miss is that Frank

Evan: Darabont wanted to use more practical effects than they ended up using.

Evan: So they like build all these, like a lot of the times when they would have something

Evan: like a bug in the, in the grocery store flying at them, they actually were holding

Evan: up like the model to kind of show them what it looked like.

Evan: And then they CGI in the, you know, terrible ones. I

Evan: wish they had just gone with that because also in

Evan: the and then the scene when they're the early on when they're in

Evan: the in the grocery store and they go to the back and the the one

Evan: you know the bag guy is you know pulled out by

Evan: like the you know whatever the monster with the

Evan: arms octopus whatever it is they had like one of the pieces they use was a real

Evan: you know piece they're going to use and then they cut that out too they're like

Evan: no we're just going to use CJ over it and that's really just disappointing like

Evan: I don't the only reason they did that i think was because they wanted to rush

Evan: it to screen they could put it out quicker,

Evan: which i don't know that actually that doesn't actually make any sense well

Evan: i guess they use really shitty cgi they can do it really quick i don't

Evan: know and and they did but yeah as i

Evan: said like so that's like the worst part of the movie but i don't know the i

Evan: i just love the the setup and because we both are talking about this is actually

Evan: perfect i don't know if either of you you notice at the very beginning of the

Evan: miss when they show the um the artist uh played by um.

Evan: Tom Jane. Thomas Tom Jane, yeah.

Evan: He's doing his little artist thing, and one of the, he has the thing,

Evan: yeah, you knew what I was going to say.

Evan: He has the thing screen, the cover right in the background as if he had been

Evan: the person who designed that.

Evan: And I don't know why they chose to do that, but they did, and it's also my,

Evan: you probably can't see it, it's my home screen.

Evan: But yeah, I thought that was such a cool little nod and just kind of a really good setup to the movie.

Brandon: Game recognized game, yeah.

Kayt: Totally. yeah you do the like leonardo dicaprio pointing meme to.

Evan: To the same poster is that like i'm like sitting there holding my phone with

Evan: the actual picture i'm like look that's the thing yeah that's uh we're.

Brandon: Literally doing a podcast about two different movies and we keep talking about

Brandon: the thing yeah well no complaints i'm just that's what a good movie it is is well.

Evan: It's a it's a movie that has two words and the one starts with the so it's a

Evan: triple feature the thing i don't

Evan: like there is i guess there isn't any really there is

Evan: weather involved in the thing as well there's snow and cold

Evan: so you could have you could do it as a tenuous connection

Evan: bud i was trying trying to

Evan: get it in there but yeah the the like the whole um like the whole opening and

Evan: the way they kind of build it is the i guess one of the so the um i know oh

Evan: i know i know i was going to say is that andre brower who uh was you know his

Evan: neighbor in the like the opening of the movie and we have it,

Evan: I thought it was such like a good kind of opening to creating this,

Evan: you know, coastal elite kind of thing with sort of like the locals of the town.

Evan: And then it gets kind of really like flipped around a lot with some of the different people in the store.

Evan: And, you know, just an entire movie taking place in essentially one location

Evan: for the entire time, minus a few, you know, the very last scene and the scene

Evan: they go next door to the pharmacy and a few scenes in in the parking lot, it's all one place.

Evan: And it, I don't know, it, you don't, you don't, it doesn't feel like it,

Evan: you know, some of those movies where it's everything takes place in a single place.

Evan: And it, uh, I don't know. I thought it was, uh,

Evan: especially like the camera work which i then learned in the extras was the cameras

Evan: were on these 360 degree sort of like.

Kayt: A lazy susan.

Evan: Or something yeah or there was like on their shoulders but they were able to

Evan: move like in 360 degrees around it so apparently a lot of the shots they were

Evan: using were actually like the background shots that they then able were able

Evan: to capture sort of accidentally and so like the screen like all the i don't

Evan: know i'm just going on and on It feels.

Brandon: Like a dumb guy thing to say, but this is a very small movie that takes place largely in one store.

Brandon: And until you said that, I never really realized that because it doesn't have the feeling of a small.

Brandon: There's nothing claustrophobic about it. There's nothing that feels like it

Brandon: fell short because they were confined.

Brandon: They had the space of a supermarket, but yeah, I did not realize that actually.

Kayt: Yeah, that's always a good place for a horror movie. you know,

Kayt: I think is like the single location.

Evan: I mean, yeah, sorry to interrupt you. I was going to say that's,

Evan: yeah, I agree. I love that guy.

Evan: You know, I like that kind of trope of, but yeah, they had all the different

Evan: spots in the grocery store.

Evan: You know, you had kind of the scene by the windows where they're blocking,

Evan: you know, preventing the creatures from coming in.

Evan: They have the garage area, the loading dock, and then, you know,

Evan: the pharmacy next door, which is probably like the creepiest part,

Evan: even though the CGI sucks. It was the spiders always creep the hell out of me is really gross.

Kayt: And that one and like when the spiders take over the guy and then just pour

Kayt: out of him. It's so gross.

Evan: Yeah, that was that was definitely good. But yeah, I mean the the yeah,

Evan: I don't know Brandon. That's,

Evan: I don't know. I think that the cameras, I think, maybe played into it where

Evan: you didn't... It wasn't just kind of like from a single perspective either.

Evan: You always got... You had them sitting on the ground when the other woman is

Evan: kind of helping his son and taking

Evan: care of his son and all these different things. And yeah, I don't know.

Evan: The first time I saw this, I didn't know the ending.

Evan: I didn't know what was going to happen. But I thought to myself,

Evan: something is gonna happen to this kid and it's gonna be devastating because

Evan: why have him here if not either be the person who only one who survives or he's going to die yeah.

Kayt: Oof what an end um.

Evan: Yeah and so this is that okay no.

Kayt: I uh i would love to talk about yeah just like the relationships between everyone

Kayt: and like how people all deal with like chaos in the movie me.

Evan: Yeah yeah so that's like i guess to bring some of the other sort

Evan: of like the main like the main characters as far as

Evan: the within there is the david and his

Evan: son who i was just referring to and so he's sort

Evan: of like the local in the town who paints you know these posters for movies and

Evan: then you have um i think her name is mrs carmody who's sort of this religious

Evan: fanatic you mentioned her earlier brandon like the the theory about her so she

Evan: kind of is the you slowly kind of see her become more fanatical and getting

Evan: more people kind of behind her.

Evan: And then you have, I think, Amanda Dunfrey, who's played by Lori Holden,

Evan: who's, I think they mentioned she has a family, but she's just there by herself.

Evan: Andre Brouwer, Brent Norton, who's sort of like the big city attorney,

Evan: who's the neighbor who we meet early on.

Evan: And then you have a bunch of people sort of who work, who are more like,

Evan: I would say, I guess you could call them more like working class people,

Evan: the people who work in the grocery store.

Evan: I love Toby Jones just as an actor in general, and I thought he is great in this movie.

Evan: And he's kind of a bag boy, I guess, or some person in the grocery store.

Evan: You have the grocery store owner.

Evan: And then you have a few of the local residents, kind of like working class type

Evan: people that are... One of them's kind of in,

Evan: I don't know, maybe in kind of like, not scrubs is the wrong word.

Kayt: Yeah, it's like coveralls.

Evan: Like he works in a, coveralls, yes, that was a word I was thinking of.

Evan: He works in cars, perhaps, Brandon. He could be a comrade on Cars and Comrades,

Evan: although based on his trajectory in this, probably not, given that he kind of

Evan: goes the religious fanatic.

Evan: But those are kind of like all the main ones. I don't think I missed any.

Evan: I think that's all of them.

Kayt: Oh, there's the older lady who's amazing. I guess she's not a main character.

Evan: Oh, yeah. She has the best lines.

Kayt: Yeah, when she lobs a can of peas at Mrs. Carmody and calls her a buzzard or something.

Evan: She also has... I mean, we can talk about the relationship, but she has one

Evan: of my favorite lines in the whole movie.

Evan: Before they're locked in the grocery store and they're just having a panic before

Evan: the mist, I guess, like kind of consumes the whole town.

Evan: She like very astutely basically says, you know, why is it that the military

Evan: is, you know, running this town and spending all their money on weapons instead

Evan: of, you know, education?

Evan: And then you, you know, it's kind of like setting up a lot of what will happen

Evan: is that we learn later that the military has basically had an experiment that's gone wrong and,

Evan: you know, now killed probably half or more of the town. And so it's actually.

Brandon: A commentary on why we need an enormous military budget so that they have money

Brandon: to clean up their own mistakes with. Right.

Kayt: Because they have to save us at the end.

Brandon: Yeah.

Evan: Yes, that's right. If we hadn't given that money, how would they have been able

Evan: to afford those big flamethrowers and things at the end of the movie?

Kayt: Exactly.

Evan: The relationships between them is interesting. I guess it all devolves into

Evan: these different little clicks almost.

Evan: You have the people that follow the religious fanatic and you have the son who

Evan: is just in utter shock of all of this.

Evan: His mother isn't there. His mother is still at home. And I don't know,

Evan: what did you make of some of the like the relationships and maybe how they fit

Evan: in kind of how they deal with all of what's going?

Kayt: I mean, I think ultimately, even though I really like this movie,

Kayt: I think the politics are kind of conservative.

Kayt: Like, you know, sort of lib conservative, I guess that it's,

Kayt: it's like a very individualistic sort of idea of how people react to,

Kayt: you know, like some sort of disaster.

Kayt: there's this book that like is after i watched the

Kayt: mist i was like oh shit i have this book in my bookshelf

Kayt: um called hope against hope which is like

Kayt: a um like a marxist or

Kayt: anarchist um conversation about like

Kayt: uh global catastrophe um it's by the out of the woods collective and um They

Kayt: talk about how like most of the ideas of how chaos happens after a like they

Kayt: also say like there's no such thing as a natural disaster, really.

Kayt: oh look at that cat um you know

Kayt: because like most disasters are predicated on

Kayt: something happening that like maybe we

Kayt: did in this case like the natural you know

Kayt: the disaster that like is cosmic was also caused by the military but that like

Kayt: the idea that humans when there's a huge disaster like a hurricane or something

Kayt: like that act in like factions and sort of like attack each other is a myth that.

Kayt: The government or like the bureaucracy wants us

Kayt: you know like kind of focuses on the media focuses

Kayt: on it too like looting and stuff like that as a

Kayt: way to like discourage solidarity and

Kayt: mutual aid and shit good shit like that um and that like often the real help

Kayt: is like within a community and like not without and like in the in this case

Kayt: i feel like they do a lot of convert like,

Kayt: philosophizing when they're talking about like whether they should

Kayt: all leave or not and the only

Kayt: one who believes that like people are

Kayt: like tend towards mutual aid

Kayt: rather than like competition is the

Kayt: teacher and everyone else is just like yeah people fucking suck and like yes

Kayt: there are a lot of people who suck but i do think that like the way this movie

Kayt: sees humanity is pretty grim and nihilistic even though i like i.

Evan: Mean i mean seth no no i was just gonna say it's kind of common amongst a lot of stephen king.

Kayt: Yeah i think.

Evan: To have this it's very these are his politics unfortunately and so that's what.

Kayt: Yeah i mean he he was wearing a t-shirt that said let me speak the with a kamala on it so yeah.

Brandon: I mean so i'm not inclined to disagree with you in regards.

Kayt: To you.

Brandon: Know people banding together and helping each other out but you know it's uh

Brandon: i would say that there's there's there's two interpretations that i would make

Brandon: of it where it's either you know staring at a mirror or it's like projecting

Brandon: but either way it's no it's that's a manifestation of american exceptionalism like.

Kayt: Would generally.

Brandon: Would humanity band together to try and do it yes but would america intervene

Brandon: to make goddamn sure that no one does fan together also yes.

Kayt: Oh totally yeah we.

Brandon: We are indoctrinated enough against our own nature i think that yeah i could really you

Brandon: realistically see like in a disaster like that things

Brandon: absolutely falling apart actually i kind of feel like it starts

Brandon: to come out in the wash in like bigger things like when they're natural disasters

Brandon: people look out for each other but yeah i think if you cram like 10 people into

Brandon: a small building together under truly horrific circumstances because my talent

Brandon: as i've gotten older is to start to be better able to actually imagine myself

Brandon: in a situation like that and not like oh if i were,

Brandon: in a zombie apocalypse i'd just kick all their asses but more

Brandon: in the like uh if i were in a zombie apocalypse like you

Brandon: don't have a conceptualization of it

Brandon: being a zombie apocalypse so from your perspective you actually are just having

Brandon: to kill your peers are you capable of doing that and i think your average person

Brandon: isn't but the dialogue is always like oh i would just do this so like in a situation

Brandon: like that like we when you really imagine yourself in it like Like,

Brandon: I know my reaction would be like,

Brandon: we have to fucking help each other out because that shit is wild out there.

Brandon: But yeah, I mean, like you, you suddenly your entire world has ended.

Brandon: So what do you have left the people in the room with you?

Brandon: Yeah, I don't know what point I was making. I kind of went on a tangent there.

Kayt: I think that's a good point. And then, like, I think, you know,

Kayt: you mentioned at the beginning, the Mrs.

Kayt: is Carmody character and how like maybe she was there's, there's a case for

Kayt: her being right all along that like, this is,

Kayt: I think she said like this, you know, the end comes in is coming in miss not in fire.

Kayt: And like it very well could be the end. I mean, it's the end of something.

Kayt: And like, even though everyone talks about her being crazy throughout the movie, um,

Kayt: people do get killed sort of according to

Kayt: their sins or like according to like what they do wrong in a lot of cases you

Kayt: know like the bat the young guy gets killed first because he has like a sense

Kayt: of like like sort of an out of uh like an exaggerated sense of like masculinity and like

Kayt: uh i can't think of the word it's

Kayt: like one of the deadly sins right sure

Kayt: yeah let's yeah like he and

Kayt: like he gets killed for that and then like there's the guy who's like when he

Kayt: leaves he's who i think was like probably the coolest guy the biker dude who

Kayt: was like i believe in god too but and not your bullshit god and then he gets torn in half like.

Brandon: What does that say i feel like

Brandon: uh i'm gonna get a bunch of blank stares but did

Brandon: either of you ever happen to watch the tv show no

Brandon: i haven't okay so there's a missed tv show and

Brandon: they like it's i remember not liking it that

Brandon: much but after three or four episodes i kind of got a

Brandon: bit more into it it's definitely not quite up

Brandon: to to snuff with the movie and you could tell that they were hoping for a season

Brandon: two that they didn't get but they like flesh out the ladies cult a little bit

Brandon: more because you know they had eight or ten episodes or whatever to do it and

Brandon: i don't i haven't watched it recently enough to cite specifics but i'll say

Brandon: that like i felt like the cult that she was building up in the tv show is a.

Evan: To the point of whether she's right, I mean, her, maybe her way of describing

Evan: it because of the sins of individuals, you know, might be wrong.

Evan: Like, oh, you know, you don't believe in God or you're, you know,

Evan: you drink or you commit adultery or whatever.

Evan: That's what she's kind of saying has caused this. But really what's caused it

Evan: is the sins of, you know, corporations, you know, the system beyond.

Evan: It's like saying, you know, people who, if you don't use a paper straw,

Evan: you know, you're destroying the environment.

Evan: We're like, okay, well, no, actually, it's like Exxon, like dumping thousands

Evan: of gallons of oil into the Pacific Ocean and being like, whoops.

Evan: You know, so she does see that there is some evil or something,

Evan: you know, that she can understand.

Evan: But really, the evil is, you know, the military industrial complex and,

Evan: you know, these corporations and lobbyists and all these terrible things.

Evan: But it's kind of misdirected because that's how, as you said,

Evan: Kate, this is kind of a conservative, liberal-ish take on it.

Evan: It doesn't really actually show the reasons for the problems.

Evan: It just kind of briefly mentions it because that older woman has that one line,

Evan: but they don't ever really mention the military until near the end of the movie

Evan: when they kind of have some information because those two military guys feel guilty.

Evan: Which I have to ask, why is it that they didn't talk to them until like the third act?

Evan: Like military dudes inside here.

Kayt: And they're so unhelpful.

Kayt: Like the other two guys, they were just like, it was like, does anybody,

Kayt: Hey, you guys who are like training to do, you know, ostensibly like scary shit.

Kayt: Do you want to help us? And they're kind of like.

Brandon: I mean, I feel like that's a

Brandon: pretty spot on analysis that the guys in the military are fucking useless.

Kayt: Yeah.

Evan: Yeah. I guess at that point, I mean, maybe it's, I mean, I get that it has,

Evan: you know, they needed to not know that information until later.

Evan: and they had the guy, you know, kill himself because he's so,

Evan: you know, guilt-stricken.

Evan: But if he was guilt-stricken that whole time, maybe, like, help the people?

Evan: I don't know. Like, you think that his, I don't know, military helping people,

Evan: you know, he should have brought some freedom to the grocery store and democracy

Evan: or something. I don't know.

Brandon: My mental image of that is there being a small automotive section with a few

Brandon: things of oil and he just sets up camp around there.

Evan: There for a second for a second i didn't get it and then when i got it yeah he invades.

Kayt: The oil aisle.

Brandon: Everybody else is worried about food and he's good because he's got like three gallons of oil.

Evan: He's stealing he's stealing everyone's jewelry to like melt down to build i

Evan: don't know Something like in The Fog.

Evan: Build a giant crucifix or whatever. But yeah, the...

Evan: I don't know. That's... You could... I don't know.

Evan: The one thing I did note when I was watching it, to me, it felt like the TV

Evan: show The Stranger Things is directly based on...

Evan: like the concept of this movie in

Evan: that you have especially the first season where you or maybe multiple seasons

Evan: where you have the military accidentally opening a portal to another world and

Evan: like creatures coming through or like people going through i mean i don't know

Evan: that this was an original thought in this necessarily but i seem like a very

Evan: similar type of concept i.

Brandon: See that no yeah i can see that.

Evan: I don't know yeah the first couple seasons i like the stranger things i I haven't

Evan: seen the most recent one.

Kayt: I only saw the first. I kind of gave up on it. Yeah, I only saw the first one.

Kayt: But yeah, like aesthetically, it's very 80s. But then, yeah, you're right.

Kayt: It is the whole idea of it is that like the military is playing around with

Kayt: lots of secret things, which I feel like is always an like I love military conspiracy stuff.

Kayt: stuff and like because it's so plausible you know like i'm reading um that book

Kayt: chaos right now about like the cia and charles manson and you're just like yeah.

Evan: I mean.

Kayt: It sounds like a conspiracy theory but it also sounds true because they're you

Kayt: know it's like mk ultra we know is like absolutely true i.

Evan: Was about to say that like if if that could be true like what else is it really

Evan: that plausible to be true at this point that's.

Brandon: Why when people do like whenever you meet a real conspiracy theorist i just

Brandon: i don't know how to talk to them because i'm like they admit it when they do

Brandon: stuff there's a paper trail every fucking time yeah it's true.

Evan: Yeah just gotta wait 20 years or whatever and they'll they'll tell you i'm pretty

Evan: uh pretty plain uh pretty plain what they've done but one other so one other

Evan: thing since you can't mention the like the individual,

Evan: kind of the individual nature of some of the people in the store like that seemed

Evan: also Also, where the biggest conflict, aside from sort of like the Mrs.

Evan: Carmody, the sort of religious fanatic, was between the Andre Brouwer character

Evan: and sort of the Tom Jane character is that they both were kind of like wanted

Evan: to be the sort of like the...

Evan: the savior or the person who was doing it. But it did seem more like that Thomas

Evan: Jane just genuinely wanted to help.

Evan: He had his kid there. He wanted to do whatever it took to do the things.

Evan: But then Andre Brouwer is this big shot elite and kind of quotes attorney from

Evan: New York City, presumably.

Evan: And they kind of created this kind

Evan: of rift between them and eventually gets himself killed because of it but they

Evan: all seem to have they they claim to have like the group of people in mind like

Evan: oh we want to do everything but really they all just want themselves to be safe

Evan: probably including you know the the tom jinker he wants him and his son really to be safe and if it

Evan: if he can help some other people kind of in the meantime i don't know maybe

Evan: i'm maybe i'm doing him dirty it's.

Brandon: A metaphor for communism they're pretending to want to help other people to better themselves.

Evan: But I don't know. Maybe, maybe his character is like genuinely like a good person.

Evan: You know, he's trying to help the people.

Evan: It does seem like that. And he gets pretty upset when, you know,

Evan: he's trying to protect the, like the younger guy who gets, you know, pulled out early on.

Evan: But whereas kind of the Andre Brouwer character really doesn't care about anyone else.

Evan: They just want to get out of there with, you know, presumably a gun if they

Evan: can get one or a weapon and then get the fuck out of Dodge. Yeah.

Kayt: You know, the other thing that like I kind of focused on more this time watching

Kayt: it is like at the beginning, there's also that woman who is like insists that

Kayt: she needs to go out and get her kids and like make sure they're OK.

Kayt: And no one helps her. And she like kind of keeps calling them out like none

Kayt: of you are going to come with me.

Kayt: None of you are going to check on my kids with me or like walk me to my car

Kayt: and everyone just kind of looks away and they're all like, well,

Kayt: I got to like be here, you know, and I don't know if that's fair or not fair,

Kayt: but like it is a real sort of like tragic moment that you just like walks out and like disappears.

Evan: Years yeah they like she asked a bunch of the people in it who later are like

Evan: you know genuinely trying to help people but they wouldn't help her and isn't

Evan: that um uh what is her name um,

Evan: she's in the walking dead right melissa mcbride i think there's actually a bunch

Evan: of actors in this who are also in the walking dust oh.

Brandon: Yeah that is melissa mcbride.

Evan: Laurie laurie holden who's also Also in it is in The Walking Dead.

Evan: And then also the guy, Jeffrey DeMunn, who's the guy who like runs into the

Evan: store and is like, there's something in the mist.

Kayt: Oh, yeah.

Evan: That guy also is in, I don't know how much of it he was in.

Kayt: He's a very like, oh, that guy, guy. There's a lot of those in this movie. Like so many.

Evan: It is. It is. They were talking about it in like the behind the scenes,

Evan: how the cast is sort of like an ensemble cast.

Evan: and that there's no really one star, just kind of a bunch of people that kind

Evan: of all kind of play their part in it. But I think that's probably true.

Evan: I mean, there's no like super...

Evan: I guess Thomas Jane is probably the biggest one from I think of his movies he's been in a lot of big.

Evan: I guess he's kind of a big star. I don't know. Has he been in anything recently?

Brandon: I'm not good at gauging how big of a star somebody is sometimes.

Brandon: Because if they're in movies that I'm watching, I assume they have failed.

Kayt: I just always think of him as he plays himself in Arrested Development,

Kayt: which is why I'll never forget his name.

Kayt: because he's like Lindsay thinks he's a homeless guy and he's like I'm Tom Jane,

Kayt: and yeah so I'm like I will always remember his name I think.

Brandon: Of him as the guy from The Expanse.

Kayt: Oh yeah also.

Evan: Yeah the guy.

Kayt: In the fedora from The Expanse he's also in Deep Blue Sea.

Evan: Which I.

Kayt: Recently watched again I.

Evan: Think he was also I never actually saw the show but I think he was on the show called Hung

Evan: which i think was like an hbo show from

Evan: i don't know 10 or 12 years ago i think i only know because i mentioned it in

Evan: the in the in the previous uh in the um the notes of but he also was in a bunch

Evan: of like decent movies and when i say decent movies i'd say actually like you

Evan: said um movies that you know actually i just looked at this he was in the buffy

Evan: the vampire slayer oh that's.

Kayt: Right yeah i that's i should that should be my first thing that i say yeah.

Brandon: I'm really disappointed in you you right now.

Kayt: I know we're very you know tv show centric but we should talk.

Evan: About the film.

Kayt: At some point.

Evan: Apparently he was also in boogie nights oh yeah he

Evan: was yeah now that i look at these movies i'm like oh yeah that's like it's as

Evan: you said it's like oh that guy's in it yeah he's like one of the that guys i

Evan: guess you could say yeah the other person who was in it uh that i was thinking

Evan: is the like the guy who played the the guy like the coverall coveralls he's in like a lot of also

Evan: random kinds of things. But yeah. Um,

Evan: I don't think there's any other notes I had about the movie.

Evan: Oh, I guess we should, again, I guess talk about the ending.

Evan: You know, this is probably the furthest in a podcast I've gotten without accidentally

Evan: sort of, I know we've talked about the spoilers in every episode.

Evan: But the ending of this is pretty brutal where you have the, you know,

Evan: I think five of them end up escaping or six of them because there's five bullets in the gun.

Evan: Right? Is that right? Five? five?

Brandon: I think there's five of them and four bullets. Yeah.

Evan: Four bullets. Okay. Four bullets. That's right.

Brandon: I think there's three in the backseat and him in the frontseat with a passenger.

Evan: With a passenger. Who might that be?

Brandon: I don't know.

Evan: Might be his little son, unfortunately. His sweet, sweet son.

Evan: Yeah. At least they had the courtesy of not showing.

Evan: They just had the sound of the bullets ringing out from above.

Evan: above and like i guess they're showing like the monster sort of

Evan: like walking through the you know like jurassic park

Evan: kind of shit like they're just kind of like roaming through the

Evan: countryside just i don't know doing their

Evan: thing and he kills them all and it's it's the the

Evan: book ending is they basically just drive away and

Evan: they not you don't know what happens they hear on the radio like

Evan: something about hartford and presumably they're going to just find

Evan: another place where it might might be safe but you never find out and then this

Evan: you have him shooting all the other people not having a bullet for himself gets

Evan: out of the car and like even this the first time i thought i'm like oh what's

Evan: he how's he gonna kill himself is he gonna like get one of the monsters to eat

Evan: him and then you're like yeah fuck so.

Brandon: I feel like it is a relatively like well-established trope in certain genres

Brandon: especially a post-apocalypse like uh you're you're,

Brandon: breaking into a house looking for supplies and you find the couple

Brandon: that killed themselves in the bedroom because they couldn't face whatever apocalypse

Brandon: is waiting zombie apocalypse I have never seen one that even came close to being

Brandon: as like gut wrenching as this one is like it's yeah he fucking kills his son

Brandon: and then gets rescued Jesus fucking Christ no.

Kayt: It is so fucking bleak and like I it's kind of the same thing with the movie

Kayt: the ending like I I I like the ending for what it does to me emotionally,

Kayt: but I'm not sure I like the implication, I guess, that like the military that

Kayt: fucked them all up gets to also rescue them and be the heroes.

Kayt: Like that's so nihilistic. I don't know.

Brandon: I wouldn't argue that it's not nihilistic, but I'm not going to argue that they were rescued either.

Brandon: Yeah. Four people died and one person is never going to be okay again.

Kayt: That's true i mean he is not i i would just at that point be like don't take

Kayt: me you know like i don't know just like there's no.

Brandon: Path forward for that man.

Kayt: Yeah let the behemoth or whatever actually.

Brandon: The arrival of the military in in the confines of the story condemn him.

Kayt: Yeah because.

Evan: Like and the thing that's also crazy what's up i'm sorry i was just i was just saying it's also.

Kayt: Also.

Evan: You go.

Brandon: I lost my point. Oh, my God.

Kayt: Diabolical.

Evan: I was just going to mention that it's also such a...

Evan: like a brutal shot of the woman where we

Evan: were just talking about who you know who the now i'm

Evan: forgetting the actress's name who is in the walking dead who leaves to get her

Evan: son and her kids at home she's they show her very distinctly on the little rescue

Evan: military shot meaning that she got free so theoretically whoever had gone with

Evan: her if if uh you know jane had gone with

Evan: him with it with his kid they would have been alive maybe yeah um it's amazing

Evan: that she survived like it's it almost seems like that like defies belief almost i.

Brandon: Mean it's not really amazing it's just it's fiction.

Evan: Yeah i.

Kayt: Guess it's just coincidence like she just happened to make it through the mist like and.

Evan: Nobody noticed.

Kayt: Her or whatever i don't know or like they did say that like things get hinkier at night.

Kayt: So I don't know. Maybe she had like a, just like a, a break and didn't realize it.

Evan: Yeah. The little spider things or the whatever else decided they,

Evan: they're eating the military dudes in the, which actually have all the people

Evan: who died, the military people who were in the, the pharmacy definitely were

Evan: the ones who deserved it most.

Evan: They should have, hopefully all of them die later of like some horrific side

Evan: effect of the, all the Agent Orange they were shooting in to kill all the monsters.

Evan: But somehow they were easily able to then defeat the,

Evan: Why were they not ready for them when they first opened the portal to then just like torch them?

Brandon: Again, if you like put yourself in the movie, you can try to open up like parallel

Brandon: universes and not necessarily expect cosmic horrors on the other side.

Kayt: True.

Brandon: Like scientifically speaking, that would probably be the last thing that would actually happen.

Brandon: It would probably like just be some really innocuous like phenomenon of some

Brandon: sort. and then when you're actually given uh you know chaos dinosaurs uh it's

Brandon: it was probably somewhat of a surprise so.

Evan: You're saying it could have been it could have been a fog but instead they got the.

Kayt: Right the fog yeah if it was if they opened up the fog portal it's just zombie

Kayt: sailors and then they but unfortunately they opened up the mist lovecraft portal yeah.

Evan: They got misted instead of fog.

Kayt: Yeah which would have been much less painful worse yeah

Kayt: it seems like i do love that like

Kayt: you know well actually you know what this isn't true

Kayt: but like the part where they they kind of

Kayt: like reveal bigger and bigger and bigger

Kayt: things you know which i always enjoy it's

Kayt: like a very like you said jurassic park kind of thing

Kayt: where like um you get to see

Kayt: like the cycle of life in the mist also you know that like the bugs are just

Kayt: food for like the bigger weirder things and then like eventually you see the

Kayt: giant terrifying like t-rex at the end you know yeah.

Evan: The the reveal of those is kind

Evan: of cool with the the way the monsters are shown it's It's unfortunate.

Evan: Actually, the ones at the end were slightly less annoying CGI-wise, maybe.

Evan: Maybe you're just at the end, you're kind of like, oh, man, hopefully they're

Evan: not going to get away. They're screwed.

Evan: They may as well all just do it. I mean, the other thing, too,

Evan: is why didn't they all just decide to exit the vehicle and then just get eaten together?

Evan: They could have just all died as one, but instead they had to go the individualist route.

Kayt: Yeah.

Evan: Not really, maybe.

Kayt: They could have all been together in a dinosaur's tummy.

Evan: Or they could have, you know, gotten...

Evan: the spider webbed or whatever the the thing or actually probably the worst way

Evan: to go was the the like the checkout girl oh yeah that's got like punctured and

Evan: just like you know got like,

Evan: over botox overload to the face.

Brandon: You're really naming a lot of reasons why they would just kill themselves yeah

Brandon: i'm not gonna say that's what i would do i'm gonna say that if if i am just

Brandon: given a stark choice between like any of those deaths even being like grabbed

Brandon: by a tentacle and just bludgeon to death or a quick shot to the head scientifically

Brandon: a shot to the head is just done yeah it's.

Kayt: A good point yeah because they mass suffering

Kayt: yeah like each animal or whatever creature contains like sort of multiple horrors

Kayt: because you know it's like oh the spider can jump on you and like pinch you

Kayt: or do whatever but it can also like put you in a web it also has like webs made of acid,

Kayt: you know, that like lacerate you and immediately like just like your leg gets necrotic immediately.

Kayt: Like they have so many abilities.

Evan: Yeah, they could just keep you alive for days and days and you would just suffer.

Evan: So I guess I guess you're right. All right, Brandon.

Brandon: I'm not leaning into that too hard because I'm more of the attitude of like,

Brandon: I'm only going to kill myself if my mental health issues get to that point,

Brandon: not because I like can't survive in a situation.

Brandon: I'll go down fighting, but I understand that sort of gut feeling of like,

Brandon: well, it's, it's really, it's the, it's the foundation of cosmic horror.

Brandon: It's, it's in, in, in like unimaginable horrors.

Brandon: Like, do you, do you take the thing that is in, you know, the outcome and it's

Brandon: painless or do you take the outcome that is unknown and potentially horror beyond imagination?

Kayt: Yeah.

Brandon: Yeah.

Kayt: And you can't reason with any

Kayt: of those creatures. It's not like a vampire where they're even humanoid.

Kayt: You don't know what kind of world they just came from, even, with cosmic horror.

Evan: Yeah, that's true. Yeah, I don't blame them.

Evan: But it would have been tough to fight. Because initially, they just see little flying bugs and things.

Evan: But then they see 20 foot, I don't know how tall they were, taller than the

Evan: trees, just these giant monsters.

Evan: And yeah, that's a low, low prospects of survival, but maybe you got some chance.

Evan: Maybe you can eventually get to another town. Maybe you can,

Evan: I don't know, get a boat. I assume they're in Maine.

Evan: They are. I guess it's written by Stephen King.

Brandon: Of course it's in Maine.

Kayt: But shot in like Shreve's port or something.

Brandon: Basically the same thing. Yeah, sure.

Brandon: Okay. Million dollar question. How much different would the ending have been

Brandon: if he shot himself first and then everyone else found out there was only one bullet?

Kayt: It would be a dark comedy.

Brandon: I would need like three to five extra minutes before the army got there where

Brandon: they're just panicking.

Evan: That, that was a, if that ending, I don't think Stephen King would have been too.

Brandon: I don't think I would be either, but it's making a joke about it. It lands pretty good.

Kayt: Yeah.

Evan: Yeah. I, uh, I think that's a good one.

Kayt: If you had to pick which one of the creatures was going to kill you,

Kayt: which one would you pick?

Evan: What was the one that ripped the guy in half? Because it seems like that would

Evan: be painful, but it wouldn't take long to die.

Kayt: Yeah, that's just some sort of missed creature that I guess we never get to see, right?

Evan: Yeah, that creature. Is that the same creature that also kills the younger guy

Evan: in the back of the store, presumably, like a tentacled thing?

Kayt: Maybe.

Evan: I think as long as you don't – anything that doesn't eat you.

Evan: Eating you would be the worst because you don't know if it eats you whole and

Evan: then, I don't know, like the thing in the Star Wars where they just digest you

Evan: for the next thousand years or something. You don't want that.

Brandon: Yeah, but at some point, you suffocate or starve to death or something. Yeah.

Kayt: I think the spider one would be the worst.

Evan: By far. By far. I would go with just a giant creature in the mist,

Evan: probably, if you're going with one.

Brandon: Yeah, I feel like it's just going to squish you real fast.

Kayt: Yeah, yeah, just step on me. That's fine. We're done.

Evan: Yeah. I think they had other creatures they wanted to use or they had drawn

Evan: or created that they never got to.

Evan: But the ones they use are cool, even if they looked kind of shitty.

Evan: The things flying around and the thing, yeah, it was still cool.

Evan: But either way. Yeah.

Brandon: Now that we've spoiled the end, the true horror of this movie was never in the monsters.

Evan: It's in human nature. Is that what you're going to say?

Brandon: No, it's the fact that that dude killed his son and then it had to live. That was the horror.

Evan: Yeah. I don't think he's going to... I don't think... Yeah, I think you're saying,

Evan: I don't think he would... He probably would look for a gun pretty soon after.

Evan: Isn't the very final shot him like...

Evan: He drops to the ground and he's just screaming. He can't comprehend.

Kayt: The horror i mean talk about yeah like horrors beyond comprehension it's like

Kayt: killing your son thinking you're saving him and then realizing that like you

Kayt: guys would have been fine fine i mean you know relatively probably.

Brandon: Fine other than like you know now like sure you have to live with the knowledge

Brandon: that there's like this other dimension full of horrors but.

Kayt: Like just don't.

Brandon: Open that door again.

Kayt: Yeah well.

Evan: I mean he could he could just turn to you know online therapy.

Kayt: Afterwards.

Evan: To uh to get over his.

Kayt: Trauma or.

Evan: Sorry that's a good callback i.

Kayt: Feel like he becomes yeah that's all yeah like in the mist too he's just like

Kayt: uh it's all about vengeance he's just killing like various military like heads of the military yeah.

Evan: He's like he turns into like a gorilla you know, just killing people. Not a gorilla.

Evan: Covert assassin or something.

Brandon: No, the mist, too. He is a drooling-on-himself, Thorazined-up mess in a white room.

Brandon: And then the mist hits, and they have to find him, because he's the one who

Brandon: dealt with it last time. And it just gets unhinged from there.

Kayt: Yeah, they have to pull him out.

Evan: He's like Brad Pitt in 12 Monkeys. Well, not quite exactly.

Kayt: Or Nancy in The Craft.

Evan: Too. too which is oh.

Kayt: Oh there's a craft too yeah it's not great it's like it's like the craft made

Kayt: for i mean maybe it is good i feel like it's an okay movie just like not for

Kayt: me because it's made for like gen z teenagers you know.

Evan: I didn't know there was a sequel yeah.

Kayt: David dukovny is in it.

Evan: Oh it's recent yeah oh man I like David and I like David Duchovny come on man he's good.

Kayt: At it he's a powerful warlock.

Evan: Really you may have just sold me it made 2 million dollars on a budget of 18

Evan: million well I don't know it.

Brandon: Was an artistic success if not a financial no it wasn't.

Evan: Oh Kylie Spiney Kylie Spaney Spiney I don't know how to pronounce the last name

Evan: was in it i didn't realize that well.

Brandon: I mean i.

Evan: Assumed you.

Brandon: Didn't know that since five minutes ago you didn't.

Evan: Know this movie existed anything you learn about it right now.

Brandon: Is going to be a surprise that's true.

Evan: That's true literally everything is the david dacovny part yeah that's the best

Evan: maybe i'll have to see this movie yeah i'm not i mean i like the craft i mean

Evan: you're not gonna beat that i'm.

Kayt: Not like endorsing it i don't think it's a good movie but I do think it's like

Kayt: a woke witchcraft movie, I guess.

Brandon: What era is that? When did this movie come out?

Kayt: It's recent. It's very recent.

Evan: Four years ago. Four years ago.

Evan: 2020, we're in kind of the era of the like, well, I guess we're still in that

Evan: era of just digging up movies from 20, 25 years ago and just being like, oh, and here's a sequel.

Evan: Maybe we'll end with a better recommendation. So you don't maybe recommend The Craft 2,

Evan: but given that we're getting close to Halloween season,

Evan: which I would argue you could watch Halloween movies all year,

Evan: but if you were to pick one,

Evan: or you can pick more than one of a movie, maybe you would recommend to the listeners

Evan: for this upcoming spooky season.

Evan: So I put you on the spot there.

Brandon: I'm definitely the guy that like, if you ask me like my favorite bands,

Brandon: I can't even think of what type of music I listen to. I know.

Kayt: I do the same.

Evan: Yeah.

Kayt: I'm like, what's a movie?

Kayt: Um, I mean the first craft, how about that?

Evan: Yeah, no, that's a good one, which I think some people forget about.

Kayt: Oh, it's so excellent. And the music is so good. It's so of an era.

Brandon: Um, I don't know. I can only think of like the things that are on my to watch

Brandon: list. Oh, um, I was thinking about re-watching Possession this weekend.

Kayt: Oh, yeah.

Evan: That's a good one.

Kayt: Always a good one.

Brandon: You mentioned body horror earlier. I love body horror.

Kayt: Yeah. I guess also in preparation for seeing Alien Romulus, you could watch the OG and Alien too.

Brandon: Yeah.

Kayt: Aliens.

Brandon: Aliens is one of the greats.

Kayt: Yeah.

Brandon: I mean, the original.

Evan: Yeah. that's a yeah i would i would say even though they're not nearly as good

Evan: as the first two i also recently did an episode on the like the two prequels

Evan: prometheus isn't my favorite but alien covenant was actually better than i remember

Evan: it i rewatched it last week and had the same experience,

Evan: it yeah i like i remember when i first saw it thinking it sucked and then i

Evan: watch it again i'm like oh this actually is maybe i just expected it to be like

Evan: as good as the first one so like if If you're going to prepare to go see Alien

Evan: Romulus and you want to just watch all of them,

Evan: you could just watch those and maybe skip Alien 3.

Brandon: Yeah also halloween 3 is a great that's a great halloween movie oh.

Evan: That i just watched it actually recently maybe i don't know two weeks ago and

Evan: i was thinking the same thing thinking you know that is uh one of those what

Evan: like kind of like an anthology vibe where it's you know the same kind of universe but not really.

Brandon: Well uh originally halloween 1 and 2 were supposed

Brandon: to be like direct sequels but everything else after that was supposed to

Brandon: be anthology and then halloween three did so badly that they're like no no more

Brandon: michael myers please but yeah the original intention was it was going to be

Brandon: a different thing every uh every time and oh i didn't realize that no one liked

Brandon: halloween three until like five years ago or something i mean it was longer ago i didn't.

Kayt: See it yeah yeah there are so many yeah there are so many movies that were like

Kayt: big stinkers in the 70s and 80s that i feel like people are looking at now and

Kayt: they're like what what are you talking about? This movie was amazing.

Kayt: Like, um, Oh, another one. It's not Halloween really, but man Hunter. I love that movie.

Evan: I, yeah, I've, I've, I did a, a one on, um, man Hunter double feature with silence

Evan: of the lambs. And I watched man Hunter for the first time since,

Evan: I don't know, like 15 years ago when I've remembered not liking it.

Evan: I'm like, Holy shit. What was I thinking?

Evan: I've watched it. I think two or three times, you know, before that,

Evan: I'm like, I'll watch it again tomorrow. A movie is the movie riffs. Right.

Brandon: I've never seen it, so now I've got to get on that.

Kayt: Oh, yeah, do it.

Evan: Yeah, it's the first Michael Mann, first adaptation of the Hannibal Lecter.

Brandon: I know what it is, I just, I've never seen it.

Evan: Oh, yeah. I would highly recommend that one.

Kayt: It's so high 80s, just amazing lighting.

Kayt: The music is great and weird and synthy. And yeah, that's really good.

Evan: Yeah, and what's-his-name is Tom Noonan is also just top tier in this.

Evan: He's like the – he plays the Tooth Fairy, the bad guy.

Kayt: Oh, yeah. He's another great that guy.

Evan: Yeah. He's in a bunch of – well, I guess he's in a bunch of Michael Mann movies,

Evan: but yeah. I would say, yeah.

Evan: No one has ever gone wrong watching Manhunter. so i would um i would um second that one but.

Brandon: One of my vans was almost a tv show manhunt no my oh it's a mindhunter i don't know mindhunter.

Evan: Mindhunter was that one that.

Brandon: Got canceled right that was my van almost got in that movie oh that's cool um

Brandon: there's a small film industry here i've worked in it a little bit and i walked

Brandon: outside to the grocery store to someone putting a note under my...

Brandon: It's from the... My van's from the 60s. Oh.

Brandon: And they needed like period correct stuff. And she was like,

Brandon: we would really like... But I assumed it would pay like $20 a day or something

Brandon: stupid. So I never followed it up.

Brandon: And then once I got into film, they were like, no, they'll give you like a few

Brandon: hundred dollars a day. I'm like, God damn it.

Evan: Damn.

Brandon: Yeah, whatever.

Kayt: Now you know.

Evan: You missed your...

Brandon: So it's the rule of my cars is they can only cost me money.

Evan: But yeah, Katie... I just said Katie. That's okay. I meant Kate. Apologies.

Evan: But Kate and Brendan, I appreciate you coming on to talk about weather phenomenons.

Evan: Mists and fogs.

Kayt: Yeah, it's a good time.

Evan: I said. I promise no one will have to hear any more weather related jokes,

Evan: except for in the opening when I record that later. And you'll be,

Evan: bombarded with i.

Brandon: Don't care whether i do or not.

Evan: You forgot to wait for me to drink drink some water there

Evan: i would have spit it out all over the

Evan: screen unfortunately but yeah so and i guess um where can well you already told

Evan: everyone about your podcast but uh i assume they can obviously find them on

Evan: any podcast platform but do you have Have any other places or your own social

Evan: media you'd want to share.

Evan: And I'll also put them in the links as well, the notes, links.

Brandon: Follow Cars and Comrades on any relevant social media.

Brandon: Our account's good enough that my friends don't realize I have a podcast and

Brandon: they're like, oh, this seems relevant to you and send me memes from our account.

Kayt: That's cool.

Evan: That's fair.

Kayt: That's my dream of having your podcast. cat yes i would love to have.

Brandon: A friend um.

Kayt: It's yeah it's gonna happen i think someday it.

Brandon: Took me a while you'll get there thank.

Kayt: You but yeah like a podcast a podcast uh twitter um handle that like posts interesting

Kayt: things besides just like marketing your podcast.

Brandon: Is pretty amazing in real time i just

Brandon: realized that okay every presidential cycle i tried

Brandon: to immediately get a twitter account with a

Brandon: name like uh vp tim walls or something okay that seems really official with

Brandon: like this long drawn out plan uh where i'm gonna try and get a bunch of followers

Brandon: to for people thinking it's that account and then turn it into like something

Brandon: just real weird but i just realized i forgot to do it this time they've already

Brandon: announced uh walls and i fucking forgot god damn it no.

Kayt: I'm sure you could find something i.

Brandon: Lost the the like login for it but I used to have VP Kamala Harris or something like that.

Brandon: I had Tim Kaine. I've done this a few times.

Brandon: never works out good bit i.

Evan: Think i i think i think you've actually done it you're just you're you're is

Evan: this part of the bit where you tell everyone that you didn't do it but you've

Evan: already done it no just to hide this is the part of the bit where i'm really bad at.

Brandon: The internet and i'll come up with a good idea and then just forget to do it

Brandon: yeah i've never even logged into our meme account.

Evan: Fair enough um.

Kayt: Yeah you can just find me uh on fang's podcast on all

Kayt: of the socials and or tender subject

Kayt: on all the socials and then i'm an

Kayt: artist um i make

Kayt: a lot of collages and i do a collage for every episode

Kayt: of tender subject i'm super

Kayt: behind because i got an actual paying art

Kayt: job for a little while um so

Kayt: i have to work on that but so I'm always really excited and actually I one more

Kayt: like little thing that's exciting I'm gonna be I did a collage for Texas Chainsaw

Kayt: Massacre and someone spotted it and they're putting it in a collection of essays,

Kayt: about Texas Chainsaw Massacre that's gonna come out in October so yeah that's really cool yeah I.

Evan: Like to read that book too and also see the yeah that was my episode this week oh.

Kayt: Yeah that's right.

Evan: Well although if you're listening right now that was an episode several months

Evan: ago but listening in real time it was this week and it was on purpose because

Evan: the movie takes place on august 18th so i almost released it on august 18th

Evan: anyway and it's their big anniversary thanks you uh both oh it's.

Kayt: Like their big anniversary 50 is that right.

Evan: Oh 50 years yeah 1974 yeah anyone who hasn't seen the Texas Massacre you should

Evan: also go watch that movie yeah but yeah and you can follow this podcast on all

Evan: the podcast places the same,

Evan: left of the projector pod and we will catch you next time.