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On this episode of the Dudes and Dads podcast, we talk with our friend, Karla Hostetler about

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education.

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You're listening to the Dudes and Dads podcast, a show dedicated to helping men be better

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dudes and dads by building community through meaningful conversation and storytelling.

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And now here are your hosts, Joel DeMonte and Andy Layton.

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Andrew.

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Joel, how are you?

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How are you?

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I was asking you the same thing.

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I'm great, how are you?

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I'm better now.

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I was working on our car earlier today.

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You've had some car problems, troubles.

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Alternator, you can't get it out.

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It's terrible.

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Did you, did the alternator go out on you in an inconvenient place or did you manage

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to get that baby home?

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It's like, I got a home, but it's in and out.

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Like it's charging and it stops charging.

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Alternator was the first time I ever had an alternator go out on me, Andy, because I know

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you wanted to know.

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I was, I was 16 years old driving my car out of the very large parking area at Michigan

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international speedway after a race.

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And the worst time on alternator can go out is when you were a giant mob of people trying

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to leave a major sporting event.

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So thanks for bringing up that car trauma for me.

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So glad that was a repost memory.

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So how are you?

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Man, I'm so good.

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I want to just give a shout out to my lovely wife, Jackie, who just dialed it in this evening

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and made breakfast for dinner.

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And I, I love a good breakfast for dinner.

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Yeah.

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The pancakes, the eggs, the bacon, we did it all.

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It's good.

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That's good bacon.

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Bacon's particularly, and she, she made a lot of bacon, so much bacon actually that

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she had to open the windows in the kitchen.

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Cause it was smoking.

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We got a lot of bacon smoking there.

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So I've got that I look forward to that and returning home with the bacon smell at the

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DeMott household.

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Hey everybody, welcome to the dudes and dads podcast.

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Glad to have you here.

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Hey Joel, you know what I was thinking about before we get our guests on tonight?

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Yes.

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It is almost Christmas time.

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It is Chris.

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Oh, well, it'll be here before we know it.

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Close enough.

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Close enough.

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Exactly.

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Everybody appreciated it in advance by the buyer stuff.

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Yes.

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So we are talking education tonight.

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And so I wanted to bring Carla on.

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Carla is a local principal here in our area.

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My youngest daughter goes to the school that she principles at, which is how I know her.

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So welcome to the show.

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Thanks.

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So glad to be here.

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Hi Carla.

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Oh gosh.

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We were just telling Carla that she is on this, what was really an elite, an elite and

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select group of amazing women that have been on the show.

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We tend to get a lot of, surprisingly enough on the dudes and dads podcast, a lot of dudes

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and dads on here.

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But when we, when we know that there is, it doesn't matter, dude, dad, dudette, whoever,

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when we, when we want to have a conversation with someone who knows things about things,

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we bring them in.

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Right.

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And Carla is that person who knows things about things.

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So specifically, so welcome.

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Normally we normally we ask dad stats, but since you're not a dad, we'll just ask the

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Carla stats, meaning family, kids, husband, dogs, pets, whatever you want to tell us.

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I have all those things.

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So that's a great start.

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My husband, JB and I have been married for 25 years, lived in Goshen all of our married

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life and we have three, three kids.

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Our oldest Noah is 20.

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He is recently engaged.

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So we're going to add, I'm going to add mother-in-law to all of my extra titles.

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So I'm excited about that is getting married in June.

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Then we have two seniors, our daughter, Greta, and we have a son, Mosey.

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They're both 18, but not twins.

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Oh, I know.

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You can just do the math or wonder about it or we're going to leave everybody.

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No, seriously.

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How in the world did you do it?

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How have you managed to somehow circumvent typical chronology and having children?

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What's the story?

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What's the story?

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So we have our oldest son, Noah, then two and a half years later, Greta was born.

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And then two, about two years after that, we brought our third son home, middle in age,

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13 days apart from our youngest daughter, Greta.

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Mosey was adopted from Ethiopia and he has been home with us for about 15 years.

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Wonderful.

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Awesome.

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So you are, you are now, you share this in common, one of the third guest who has a child

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from Ethiopia on the show.

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So awesome.

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That's awesome.

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And do you re I think raising kids that are that close in age is a thing because there's

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not the there's not the older, younger sibling dynamic between the two of them in the way.

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It's more of a, maybe a competitive spirit.

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Well, I think it would have been more competitive had they been the same sex.

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So one boy, one girl helped.

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When he came home, Greta was very much so she was born talking.

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He came home speaking no English, so it was a perfect combination.

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That's awesome.

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That's awesome.

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But twins at three, not from birth, but from three on.

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That's awesome.

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And you previously mentioned that you've been in education for 25 years, been married for

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25 years.

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So you started both of those adventures at the same time.

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We literally got married on Saturday and I went to work on Wednesday.

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Oh wow.

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We call that poor planning in my house.

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I don't know what educator gets married in August, but this one did.

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And so every year I'm like, happy anniversary, we'll celebrate later.

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It's almost always the first day of school or the first week.

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That's so great.

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It's just similar.

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It's not quite like this, but my birthday is always right when we come back from winter

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break and it always feels like a real let down to have your birthday after a vacation.

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And it's like, everybody's coming back kind of like down and like whatever.

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And it's like, Hey, happy birthday to you.

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So someone should, I don't know.

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My parents could have planned, but my mom's been, my mom is retiring this coming year

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from education.

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So congratulations to her.

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She's made it.

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She's this, I don't know if she's listening, but it's time.

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So we wanted to specifically talk to you tonight about ways that parents in general, but I

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think specifically men can support their kids' education.

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So I think, yeah, like what comes to mind when we say kids' education and parents supporting?

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Well start out with a loaded question.

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That's awesome.

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So actually one thing that came to mind when I thought about this, just this last Thursday

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night, we had a literacy night.

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WNIT was there.

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They were promoting their channel and also literacy things you can do with your kids.

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And I was so impressed, probably 80 people in the room.

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So impressed.

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The dads were there with their kids and not the moms.

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There were parents there, both love that, but the dads who came with just their kid,

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like I hope it was significant.

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It stood out to me.

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I was like, good for you.

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I actually went around and was like, thank you.

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Thank you for coming.

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Some of them have little people at home, so mom was probably home with them.

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Some of them, I think only children, but I was like, that was really impressive to me

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I don't think that that happens enough, but that they would take the time Thursday night,

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six o'clock hour and a half to come hang out with their kid and bring them to school, which

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is just not the norm.

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So going on to, and well now two years ago, made the decision to become a PTO president

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at Goshen Intermediate School under, it was sort of the school was new and so it was like

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they needed a PTO and no one wanted to be president.

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Ding, ding, ding.

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And so I happened to be in the room, but one of the reasons that I took that step was this

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desire to get more dads involved in, and we've seen that.

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In your perspective, I'm sure there's a myriad of reasons why maybe stereotypically we don't

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see dads involvement.

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My guess would be, I'll throw out my guess and see if this kind of resonates or what

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your experience has been.

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You know, traditionally it's kind of, well, dad does a lot of the, all the other stuff

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and mom is kind of like the school, like the default school person.

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You know, mom's going to be the one that has the conversations with teachers.

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Mom's going to be the one that does the volunteering, that sort of thing.

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And I just, I wonder, I wonder where that comes from.

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If this is just kind of like a, if there's kind of a traditional, like a traditional role

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and understanding here, a default, or if there's maybe some other, other challenges or things

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that are also going on that kind of tend to make that happen.

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Cause it's been my, it's definitely been my observation from my, my vantage point.

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Yeah, definitely.

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I think that that's probably the traditional, the traditional role that we have seen that

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as dads, I don't know, probably started with dads, we're working more, maybe moms are staying

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I wonder if that's where it started and then it has come maybe full circle.

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It definitely also is about who fills out the paperwork.

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If I'm being super honest, like, right.

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You put mom's name first and dad's name.

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So when I go look up to call somebody, primary contact is typically mom.

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And so that's just interesting as well.

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Um, as, but I don't know where it started, I would assume there.

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And then I think, I think dads are obviously more than, more than qualified and sometimes

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know their kids way better.

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Um, I often will say to kids, who do you want me to call?

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So if you were to give a percentage of that, what would be the percentage that say dads?

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Um, most of them say call mom.

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My kids, um, wouldn't have said call dad because they knew mom would be way harder.

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Cause mom, mom works at school.

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Mom knows mom's always going to take teacher's side first.

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Dad's probably a little more fair in my house, but I'm going to be like, no, your teacher's

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You were probably wrong.

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But yeah, I think most kids say call mom.

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That's interesting.

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Um, when, when you see or experience a kid who like any, any given student and his teachers

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are thinking through this, um, you know, a lot of the kids, a lot of the kids that I,

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that I serve in my job, I mean, dad, dad is just not in the picture altogether.

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And I know that depending on the demographic and where, where our schools are and all that,

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that can, that can shift.

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Um, what for, so you have, you have these homes where mom and dad are not, not, mom

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and dad are not in the same household, uh, together.

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That's a very, that's a very real everyday reality.

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How how do you as a principal, I'm sure, I mean, I'm sure that's a scenario that you,

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that you see and experience.

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How do you as a principal think through or how teachers think through bringing, bringing

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mom to dad, sort of mom and dad to the, to the table?

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Maybe not the same table at the same time, but, but, but trying to engage both, I would

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imagine that's a pretty significant challenge.

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Right.

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I, I think that there's both ways.

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So parents who are together and mom and dad are there.

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I think traditionally somebody just kind of taking the lead and that makes sense that

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somebody is the person of contact, the person who's on the remind app, who's getting all

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those text messages from the teacher.

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Moms and dads can both be on it.

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And I always encourage them to both because then they have the information.

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Um, so I think there's that part of it.

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There's also split families and then you have families that sometimes can get along really

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well together and they can come together and share their 15 minute conference.

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And then we've got families who can't and they both need that time.

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I think involving parents though is the biggest, is the biggest thing when they know what's

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going on in their kids' education.

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And quite frankly, that's gotta be more than the spelling test.

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I mean, that's the one thing teachers and I talk about a lot.

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That's the one thing parents are like, I can do that.

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I know how to do that.

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So helping parents make sure they understand the changes in curriculum.

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It's not the way we did math when we were in school.

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I mean, we heard that a lot and I'm like, well, me either.

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But have your kid teach you, reach out to your teachers, ask the questions, find those

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resources that you need so that you can support your kids because they do need your support

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and they do need to know that what's happening at school is important to them more than how

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is your day fine.

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Just told the story tonight to somebody that we have people who come to school and look

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to sign out their kids.

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I'm like, oh, who's their teacher?

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I don't know.

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Oh yeah, sure.

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I'm like, okay, well great.

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Yeah.

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Fourth.

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Okay.

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Well, give them three choices and they're like, maybe.

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And I'm like, okay, well I'll just look it up.

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Nevermind.

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Yeah.

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Oh, it doesn't happen a lot, but it's just interesting to me where I'm like, are you

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having any kinds of conversations at home about school and the adults that you're spending

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all of this time with?

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I mean, you people I'm floored when I think about it, they bring their kids to school,

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they drop them off, they trust them with us for seven hours a day.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And they're like, and I've been guilty of this at times.

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I'm sure, I'm sure it's going fine.

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I'm sure it's good.

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I'm sure it's great.

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Until it's not.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Well, and I think to your point too, I think some of that, especially as they get older

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too, that makes it even harder to get involved because it's easy for me with Hattie, right?

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Yeah.

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And the stuff, I can go through that and learn and know that stuff pretty easily.

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But when I get up into the upper grades of my other kids, sometimes that I don't remember

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that stuff.

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It's been a long time since I've been in high school.

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All right.

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Algebra, algebra.

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The other day I pulled out some MX plus B thing out of the back of my brain.

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And now do I know what it means?

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No.

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But I remember like I was talking with Josiah about this eighth grade math.

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And and there, there is that point where, where you do start feeling like I, I am not

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like I have, I have a son, Aaron, he's in an intro to engineering class right now.

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They're doing, they're doing CAD design and things.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Not, not in my, not in my skill set.

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Right.

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But in the early, but the earlier ages, and I think this is, and Carla, I'd be interested.

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Is it, how much is it really about you staying in step through with your kids and knowing

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all the things through school versus those early years of, you know, early years of intervention,

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the reading together, I think just some of the, some of the basic things, right?

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Like the reading together is that, yeah.

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Yeah.

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You can't, I mean, there's no way none of us can keep up on all those things.

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And I tell kids even now I did sixth grade once.

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I don't, I don't know.

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I can find out how to do it, but I can't tell you I can do it right now.

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Right.

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Elementary kids think, you know, everything, which is pretty awesome most of the time,

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but then other times you have to admit it.

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You're like, yeah, I don't know how to do that either.

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So no, I'm not going to help my daughter with chemistry anytime soon, but being in relationship

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enough.

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And, and I think what you're talking about, Joel, is giving them the resources and teaching

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them to be resilient, teaching them to problem solve, teaching them to ask the questions.

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I can't be with you all day, every day.

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So you have to go and figure out the answers to these things.

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So I think that that's part of, of walking alongside of them as they become adults.

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But I think it is the basics when they're in elementary school and way before I tell

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parents all the time, if you would do one thing with your kid, if you would literally

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read with them every night or have them read to you, it doesn't matter.

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Honestly, it doesn't matter.

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Do every other page, every other paragraph you read to them for the 30 minutes or 20

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minutes, have them read to you.

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And if you did nothing else, we could change the trajectory of kids' lives.

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A big effort here in Elkhart County where we are here in North central Indiana for all

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of you listening outside of the area, but a real, a big discussion, important discussion

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about kindergarten readiness in particular.

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And we tend to think like education, I think it's easy cause it's like, okay, you start

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in kindergarten, the educational process to your point begins so much, so much earlier

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beyond that for our kids to thrive and to succeed.

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And that's where, you know, I think there's all kinds of opportunities, certainly.

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Right.

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And I think reading brings that, right?

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You don't have to have, you can be reading any book and talk to your kid about what's

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going on.

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There's a problem, there's a solution, there's characters, there's all the things that are

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going on.

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You don't have to have a degree in education to talk to your kids.

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And I think that books just bring that out naturally.

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You're not trying to look for a situation to talk about.

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We're just talking about the story.

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And I think that that just interaction with them and them being able to talk about what

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they read or what they heard is just so meaningful to kids when then they come to school and

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they have some shared experience, they have some background knowledge.

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And that's the kind of thing that if we start at five, some of them can't catch up or we

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spend a lot of time trying to catch them up so that they can have a shared experience

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with their peers who did get all of that.

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Yeah.

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So for us, there's a book series that my son had read in high school and my wife decided

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to read the same thing.

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And then it was great to watch them be able to talk back and forth about the characters

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and the different plots.

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And it was fun to watch their interaction and how they bonded over that book series.

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So yeah, I like that idea.

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So when the kid comes home, this is the, I think I've probably gotten this question wrong

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for a long period of time.

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But when your son or daughter comes home and you want to know about their school day, what

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is the question that is asked?

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The one that you should or you shouldn't ask?

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The one we all ask is, how was your day?

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That's exactly right.

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And they say fine.

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And they say fine.

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Or good.

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Or they just stare at you.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You get a lot of mixed responses, but they're about all one word.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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So I think the questions you can be asking or should be asking definitely are just more

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in depth.

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It can be subject matter.

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Did you learn something new?

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No.

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Well, I send you to school every day.

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I hope you're learning something new.

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But I think you got to get past that.

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How'd you help somebody today?

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What made you smile?

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What made you sad?

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What did you see that you liked?

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What did you see that you didn't like?

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I think you have to kind of get past those one word answers where they can just be like

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good, bad, eh.

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And dig into that a little bit because something happened.

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They were there for seven hours a day.

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They ate lunch with people.

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They played with people.

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They had classroom discussions.

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They had a special...

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Interacted with all these other adults and kids.

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But I think it's getting to the heart of it.

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And sometimes you're still going to get eh.

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But I think there's lots of things we can't ask.

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And I think it's important to make that conversation not just a one way conversation too, but where

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I can say, "Hey, this is the part of my day that I really enjoyed.

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I was at work for eight hours a day and I did this and I interacted with this person."

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So they know it's not just a, "Hey, how was your day?

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I'm trying to pry."

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Right?

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Right.

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And my kids will ask and then I'm like, "Oh, I don't really want to relive the whole day."

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But then I think modeling that for them and going back to something that...

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Something that happened or something that was really difficult.

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Because I think when mom comes home tired from dealing with everybody else's kids, it

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has been difficult over the years to be having something left for them.

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But just sharing enough so I can keep things private that are supposed to stay private,

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but giving them enough of a glimpse.

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My daughter came to school her whole junior year for the first hour of the day.

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She needed an extra class.

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That was probably the best thing that ever happened for us.

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Because she would come home at night and be like, "Did things get better?

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Was the rest of your day good?"

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And I was like, "Some days, yeah.

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And other days, like, absolutely not.

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Thank you for asking."

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But yeah, I love that.

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Sharing the day with them, I think is important from our perspective as well.

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So when we think about learning environments within the home, because obviously the school

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is a particular kind of learning environment, structured in a certain way.

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But our homes are learning environments too.

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And I think all of us would hope that our homes are places that are conducive to learning,

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that are especially in, obviously, this will go out and say at the outset of my four kids,

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they all learn a little each a little bit differently.

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So we're not quite the exactly like the custom learning environment for every single one

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of them, but probably some overarching things that we can do within our homes or thinking

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about to be conducive to learning.

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What would you identify for parents?

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Yeah, I think knowing that your kids are all different, I think is huge.

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Starting there, knowing that every kid is going to learn differently.

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I tell parents all the time too, when they get home, we please let them play.

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Like, let them have a break.

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Let them, whatever that looks like, please go outside and play.

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That's what I would love them all to do.

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To not be on a screen, to engage their minds in some way, but also just to have that mental

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break and then go back to that homework, if there's homework.

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I think big overall learning environment is just what we're teaching them in the day today.

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I think teaching them how to change their alternator in their cars is amazing.

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I hope one of your kids was out there watching that.

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My one kid goes to Wawa C for the thing, the whole automotive thing.

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So he actually teaches me a lot.

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But even better.

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So I think that those experiences where it is just involving our kids in whatever the

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extra is, church, home, our work, family, changing a tire, an alternator, planning a

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garden.

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I think that kind of learning is what's happening.

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I would love to tell you that I did flashcards with my kids and taught them how to read before

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they went to school and they knew all the things they did not.

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They had amazing teachers who helped them with those things.

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And I think it's our job to give them that background knowledge of how to learn, like

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how to sit.

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And that's where we're at now.

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Did you know how to sit for more than five minutes?

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Can they listen?

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Can they follow one step directions?

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Those are the things that if kids came to school able to do and were ready to learn,

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then that goes back to that kindergarten thing where we can't catch them up because we can

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do the academic work.

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That is our job at school.

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We can do that.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And there is a, you know, I'm sure for plenty of young people, for plenty of kids, you know,

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home is, you know, it's probably a little chaotic.

487
00:23:26,660 --> 00:23:29,540
There's a lot of things going on.

488
00:23:29,540 --> 00:23:34,500
There's any number of other additional challenges and struggles that they're facing.

489
00:23:34,500 --> 00:23:38,100
And our kids are bringing those things with them to school.

490
00:23:38,100 --> 00:23:43,140
And this is the increased challenge of a teacher.

491
00:23:43,140 --> 00:23:50,880
I think my biggest, you know, for me personally, it's like, I would like to say that I have

492
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:56,480
a very firm view on like what the job of the school is and what it is not.

493
00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:01,080
And yet it seems to me that the school has become the default place that just tries to

494
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:02,520
be the catchall for...

495
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:03,920
Well, yeah, that's shifting.

496
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:08,160
A lot of that is shifting, I think from like where school is just like education, but you

497
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:12,120
have kids that go in there early for food and you know, all sorts of different things.

498
00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:13,120
Right.

499
00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:14,580
And teachers are not parents.

500
00:24:14,580 --> 00:24:15,580
Schools are not parents.

501
00:24:15,580 --> 00:24:19,280
They are, you know, and that's, I mean, we've said on the show again, again, that's why

502
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:25,920
this is one of the fundamental beliefs of this show is that we, as dudes and dads and

503
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:33,240
as, you know, parts of families, we have a unique and very specific role that we are

504
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:34,240
to play.

505
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:40,480
And it's not one that gets to be outsourced or should be outsourced when it's very specifically

506
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,200
ours to do.

507
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:49,320
And that's our, that's our encourage or encouragement for dads specifically is to, is to be strategic

508
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:54,520
about, about the places that you can make, you can make an impact.

509
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:58,520
And that's how have the reading time with your, with your, with your kiddo.

510
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,040
And it doesn't have to be, by the way, it doesn't have to be long.

511
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:02,040
No, no.

512
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,640
In fact, I, you know, for, for me, a lot of times, especially for Hattie, like, well, as

513
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,720
I'm putting her to bed five, 10 minutes, we'll read through her Bible story that she's got

514
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:10,720
going on there.

515
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,760
And sometimes I read and sometimes she does.

516
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,720
And so, yeah, it just kind of kind of depends.

517
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,180
You know, I like to see like both of it because I like to be able to read to her, but I also

518
00:25:18,180 --> 00:25:21,040
like to hear her read and I know that she does a good job at reading.

519
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:22,040
And so I want to hear it.

520
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:23,040
Yeah.

521
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,600
And I think then that when you read, then you have more time to ask them about what

522
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:26,600
they heard.

523
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,980
And that listening comprehension skill is just as important because it's one of those

524
00:25:28,980 --> 00:25:33,960
beginning stages of reading when I can understand and have something to talk about.

525
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,640
I think that that in the classroom, that's what we're always trying to build is having

526
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:43,240
a place where we're teaching everybody something, pick a subject matter, and then they can,

527
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,720
even if they can't read at all, they're having that shared experience with their, with their

528
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:47,720
friends.

529
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,400
And then that makes me want to actually try and dig in.

530
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,700
But back to your point of schools can't do it all.

531
00:25:52,700 --> 00:25:56,180
So we need parents help, but we have kids.

532
00:25:56,180 --> 00:26:00,360
And I think this has been the norm in the bigger, greater Elkhart County.

533
00:26:00,360 --> 00:26:07,040
Cause I worked at Elkhart community schools for 16 years and then came to Fairfield, which

534
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,640
has been amazing, both places, amazing for different reasons.

535
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:17,600
But I think we're just starting to see more in the Northern Indiana area part, just more

536
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,320
influx of that schools need to be more for kids.

537
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:21,320
And that's hard.

538
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:26,400
It's hard for teachers to be social workers and moms and dads and the nurse and teachers

539
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:27,400
all at the same time.

540
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,600
I mean, we're asking them sometimes to do almost impossible jobs.

541
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:32,600
Yeah.

542
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:33,600
Yeah.

543
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:34,600
Yeah.

544
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:41,400
That's for, especially for younger teachers.

545
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:47,640
So being a, being a, someone who's in the non-for-profit world a good portion of the

546
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:53,520
social workers that I engage with are teachers that went to education, made it one or two

547
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,360
years and then said, no, no thanks.

548
00:26:56,360 --> 00:26:57,360
Right.

549
00:26:57,360 --> 00:26:59,680
And there's, there's plenty of those.

550
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:06,000
There's plenty of plenty of teachers that my wife is hiring as sales, as salespeople who,

551
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,120
you know, we're at the somewhere between the three and four year mark, something like that.

552
00:27:10,120 --> 00:27:13,600
And then they made the decision to opt out.

553
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:18,000
And then, and I would say, and Carl, I, I don't know if you've talked me off a ledge

554
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,000
on this.

555
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,880
I have, I have a concern that some of our best are leaving.

556
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,920
Right.

557
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:29,920
I think some of our best haven't given it, don't stick it out long enough to be the best

558
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,260
because they just get really frustrated and burned out in those first five years.

559
00:27:33,260 --> 00:27:37,840
And so I think if they don't have good administration around them, if there is not good support,

560
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,320
then I think it's easy to be like, this is not what I meant, what I thought it was going

561
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:42,720
to be.

562
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:47,440
Even if you'd asked them, I think 80% of teachers say, I knew I wanted to be a teacher when

563
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:48,440
I was in third grade.

564
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,480
I had this great, great teacher and by fifth grade I've always wanted to be a teacher.

565
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,840
And then you have to have that hard conversation of like, well, if that's what you've wanted,

566
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,640
then don't give up too soon.

567
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:04,600
But it is one of the most difficult jobs with the dynamics of school changing.

568
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,220
Go ahead.

569
00:28:07,220 --> 00:28:13,880
So what, what can parents, dads, parents, moms do help support teachers from burning

570
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:14,880
out?

571
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:15,880
Yeah.

572
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,440
I think honestly, it's that, that being there and knowing that when we don't, teachers don't

573
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:20,560
have to always be right.

574
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,660
We have one side of the story, like right when we're calling.

575
00:28:23,660 --> 00:28:28,180
But I think that when parents call back or have that conversation, you just trust them

576
00:28:28,180 --> 00:28:32,660
and believe them and hear them out through the whole thing.

577
00:28:32,660 --> 00:28:37,240
Assume the best from that teacher and that adult in the, in the classroom or, frankly,

578
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:38,240
when I'm calling.

579
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,120
And your kid's going to have a different side of the story and that's fine.

580
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,800
And that is very fair to the kid to hear their side of the story as well.

581
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:50,400
But the number of conversations, unfortunately that we get back sometimes of like, well,

582
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,680
then he said that you said, and I'm like, yeah, I think so.

583
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:59,840
Just being a listening ear when they call with the problem and then reaching out in

584
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,680
the times when there are no problems because there's tons of kids who never have problems

585
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:03,680
at school.

586
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:10,060
But I think a encouraging email, phone call, a note, you're doing a good job.

587
00:29:10,060 --> 00:29:11,760
Thank you for being with my kid for seven.

588
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,400
I mean, my kids spend more time with their teachers and they do with me.

589
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:16,400
All of us, right?

590
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,240
Who send our kids to school, especially when they're little and they go to bed super early

591
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:21,600
once they get home.

592
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:26,920
So I think that that just, that connection between home and school is really important.

593
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,380
Some people can volunteer in schools.

594
00:29:28,380 --> 00:29:30,360
I couldn't, I was at school running my own.

595
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,520
I couldn't be at my kid's school, but I tried to reach out to their teachers and let them

596
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,440
know, like, I see you, I know it's hard.

597
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,800
I hope my kid's not hard, but yeah, probably are sometimes.

598
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,440
But I think it's that connection in anything that we do, that human connection.

599
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,280
Well, and I think that's good.

600
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:51,200
I know, we had talked about traditionally some of the things may have been because moms

601
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,480
were stay at home and so they could do a lot more of the volunteering.

602
00:29:54,480 --> 00:30:00,320
And I think that's good to know for those of us who can't come in during the day.

603
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:01,320
I have a full-time job.

604
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:02,880
My wife has a full-time job.

605
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:08,520
And so hers is a little bit flexible, but I can't necessarily come in and volunteer

606
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:09,520
during the day.

607
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,800
And so that's good to know some things like reaching out to your teachers, just out of

608
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,080
the random, just say, "Hey."

609
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:17,080
Good job.

610
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:18,080
You're encouraging them.

611
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:19,080
Yeah.

612
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:20,080
I see you.

613
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,080
Like we have two days before Thanksgiving break.

614
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,080
I see you.

615
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:23,080
Yeah.

616
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,320
And then the 15 days before Christmas break.

617
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:33,760
I mean, and I'll just say, you know, last week we did, or yeah, this past week, did

618
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,200
a Thanksgiving meal for our teachers, the PTO did.

619
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:46,440
And you want to see a teacher light up, bring in a hot meal for those people.

620
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,180
You know, that was the, I mean, one of the greatest things we did as a PTO was got warming

621
00:30:50,180 --> 00:30:54,440
plates for all the food that got brought in so that because now just right now everybody

622
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:58,520
gets down, can get down depending on the schedule down to the teacher's lounge at the same time.

623
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:03,280
But just some, I just say that as just some intentionality, there's a number of different

624
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,240
ways you can say, "Thank you."

625
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:13,640
And we've, again, as a PTO have just, a lot of it has just been the volunteer, like doing

626
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:19,840
specific asks for parent involvement, kind of creating another, another avenue for parent

627
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,920
involvement.

628
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:26,840
So we do like, this is an idea, like we do like do days of giving.

629
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,840
So like right around this time of year, like going into Christmas break, teachers are running

630
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,640
out of some stuff in classrooms and things like that.

631
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,520
So we just have them make lists of things that they're like the consumable stuff they're

632
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,000
running out of.

633
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:43,400
And hey, grab a few of these things, send it with your, send it with your kiddo.

634
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,240
That things like that.

635
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:50,080
It's easy for parents to dismiss that as small, as seemingly small sort of stuff.

636
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:54,400
The fact that it's done and that it comes in, I think says something.

637
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:55,400
I think that's amazing.

638
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:56,400
Yes.

639
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:57,400
And do it at the beginning of the year.

640
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,360
Like when you're buying your kids' school supplies anyway, just get extra.

641
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:05,040
And then if you're sending it in now, teachers would be, they're the most gracious people

642
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:06,040
I've ever met.

643
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,520
And they also, the smallest things make the biggest difference.

644
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,720
So yes, a hot meal or food that they didn't have to provide and I didn't have to pack

645
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:13,720
my lunch.

646
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,120
I think we all like it, but there is something about food in the teacher's lounge that makes

647
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:18,120
everybody better.

648
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,120
You whispered the word cinnamon rolls in the morning for breakfast.

649
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,120
People are like today, no tomorrow.

650
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:24,120
Okay.

651
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:25,640
But then they have something to look forward to.

652
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,220
So I think there are some things that cost money, but I think that there are lots of

653
00:32:29,220 --> 00:32:34,480
intangible things that don't cost any money that mean just as much.

654
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:38,520
I mean, a thank you note, like I said, I just think that words of affirmation are so many

655
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,200
people's love language anyway.

656
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:46,120
And so I think to know that somebody thought about them and sees them, I think that that

657
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,360
would be, that would just bring a lot of joy to a lot of people.

658
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,360
And that costs nothing.

659
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:52,360
Right.

660
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:53,360
Yeah.

661
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:59,980
When you sort of mentioned, I think this kind of relationship management that needs to occur

662
00:32:59,980 --> 00:33:08,500
between between parents and teachers and kind of a, I think a consideration that there are

663
00:33:08,500 --> 00:33:13,780
multiple, multiple viewpoints and perspectives to have.

664
00:33:13,780 --> 00:33:18,420
And that, I mean, I don't know, I think as a parent, it's just fair to say, and I'm parents,

665
00:33:18,420 --> 00:33:20,660
I hope you hear and dads, I hope you hear this.

666
00:33:20,660 --> 00:33:25,940
Like I just, and I love my children, but I'm just going to assume that they're wrong.

667
00:33:25,940 --> 00:33:29,920
Most of the time, I'm just going to, I'm just going to assume that I'm going to take what

668
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:35,080
I know to be true about my regular experiences with my kids, that they are still navigating

669
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,080
life.

670
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:37,080
They're figuring things out.

671
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:38,080
They don't always get it right.

672
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,840
They have limited perspective of all on all of that.

673
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:47,160
And then I'm, and then when my kid says like, Oh, so-and-so is unfair, dot, dot, dot, I'm

674
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:51,300
just going to at least ask the, at least ask some, some priming questions of them.

675
00:33:51,300 --> 00:33:52,300
Right.

676
00:33:52,300 --> 00:33:58,020
And do the little, a little pre interrogation if possible of like, Oh, well, what did you,

677
00:33:58,020 --> 00:33:59,020
what'd you do?

678
00:33:59,020 --> 00:34:00,020
What'd you do?

679
00:34:00,020 --> 00:34:01,020
What'd you do first?

680
00:34:01,020 --> 00:34:02,020
What'd you say first?

681
00:34:02,020 --> 00:34:03,020
What did you say first?

682
00:34:03,020 --> 00:34:04,020
What did, how did you know?

683
00:34:04,020 --> 00:34:05,020
He started, I don't care who started it.

684
00:34:05,020 --> 00:34:06,020
What'd you say next?

685
00:34:06,020 --> 00:34:07,020
Yeah.

686
00:34:07,020 --> 00:34:08,020
Yeah.

687
00:34:08,020 --> 00:34:09,020
I think, I think all of that is true.

688
00:34:09,020 --> 00:34:12,380
I think that if we can, we can step back and dig down to what happened and maybe they made

689
00:34:12,380 --> 00:34:14,120
a wrong choice and maybe they didn't.

690
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:19,260
But I think just having that, that conversation with them at home and letting them know you

691
00:34:19,260 --> 00:34:22,580
don't always have to be wrong, but the school's not always wrong either, but we are going

692
00:34:22,580 --> 00:34:27,620
to get to the bottom of what happened and come to some kind of resolution.

693
00:34:27,620 --> 00:34:29,980
And it's not me just calling and defending you at school.

694
00:34:29,980 --> 00:34:31,480
Cause I want to hear what the teacher had to say.

695
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,140
And I want to hear what, and it doesn't matter what happened to the other kid.

696
00:34:35,140 --> 00:34:40,320
I think that's really important because I want to talk to you, my kid at home.

697
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,820
For you as a principal, do you always keep it?

698
00:34:42,820 --> 00:34:47,280
Do you always, I'm just wondering, I'm wondering how the balance goes of the there's this,

699
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:53,500
that there is a possibility that the teacher missed something or, or messed up on this

700
00:34:53,500 --> 00:34:56,220
one or, or whatever is that absolutely.

701
00:34:56,220 --> 00:34:57,220
Yeah, absolutely.

702
00:34:57,220 --> 00:35:04,640
And so I know like as a, as a boss, I'm always trying to be very, very cautious about like,

703
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,740
I'm never going to throw one of my staff members under the bus.

704
00:35:06,740 --> 00:35:10,660
I'm going to be respectful about all of those sorts of things.

705
00:35:10,660 --> 00:35:15,060
What have you found helpful in nav in kind of navigating the like, okay, I think we all

706
00:35:15,060 --> 00:35:22,380
need to say our sorrys or we need to navigate this and to come to a better conclusion.

707
00:35:22,380 --> 00:35:25,460
What, what is helpful in those conversations?

708
00:35:25,460 --> 00:35:27,660
What's what's first of mine for you?

709
00:35:27,660 --> 00:35:28,900
Everybody wants to be heard.

710
00:35:28,900 --> 00:35:30,600
So that's, that's number one for me.

711
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,780
So the parent calls, I'm like, if you talk to the teacher, no.

712
00:35:33,780 --> 00:35:34,780
Okay.

713
00:35:34,780 --> 00:35:38,660
But I'm not, I typically, I know they're mad or they're upset or frustrated about something.

714
00:35:38,660 --> 00:35:42,340
So I usually like, why don't you tell me anyway, I want to know if they have, cause I want

715
00:35:42,340 --> 00:35:43,940
to know where we are as the boss.

716
00:35:43,940 --> 00:35:46,940
Like you did talk to the teacher and it didn't get taken care of.

717
00:35:46,940 --> 00:35:49,580
That's a different, that's a different problem for a different day.

718
00:35:49,580 --> 00:35:54,100
But I also want that parent to tell me what happened because then I feel like I can diffuse

719
00:35:54,100 --> 00:35:56,120
or ask a lot of those clarifying questions.

720
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,020
But then I, I typically don't have the answers for them.

721
00:35:59,020 --> 00:36:01,980
I'll find out, I will go figure it out.

722
00:36:01,980 --> 00:36:07,180
I will call you back, set in a time to, to circle back and then going and just like with

723
00:36:07,180 --> 00:36:09,020
our kids going and getting that other side of the story.

724
00:36:09,020 --> 00:36:12,540
Can you, can you explain what happened and can you tell me?

725
00:36:12,540 --> 00:36:15,240
And there's usually a little bit of truth to both.

726
00:36:15,240 --> 00:36:17,220
And then I kind of find myself somewhere in the middle.

727
00:36:17,220 --> 00:36:23,100
But yeah, we have, we screw it up, we mess up, we, we forget, we make mistakes.

728
00:36:23,100 --> 00:36:26,780
But I think that we have to model that for our kids and our parents as well of like,

729
00:36:26,780 --> 00:36:28,300
yep, you're right.

730
00:36:28,300 --> 00:36:29,300
We missed it.

731
00:36:29,300 --> 00:36:33,380
We can, my, one of my favorite lines is we can always do better because I do, I believe

732
00:36:33,380 --> 00:36:34,380
it.

733
00:36:34,380 --> 00:36:36,660
I'm not just saying it, but we, and then that's my job.

734
00:36:36,660 --> 00:36:40,940
And then to circle back with the adult because sometimes it's better in teachers who made

735
00:36:40,940 --> 00:36:44,980
a mistake and other times it's those zero to five teachers who don't yet know.

736
00:36:44,980 --> 00:36:49,500
And they're so kind of say how nervous they are to talk to parents.

737
00:36:49,500 --> 00:36:54,340
So nervous parent teacher conferences, phone calls, emails, how many people show up in

738
00:36:54,340 --> 00:36:58,700
my office with a shaking hand of like, I got this text and I don't sit down, let's talk

739
00:36:58,700 --> 00:37:03,180
out reminding them or teaching them for that first time of how to communicate.

740
00:37:03,180 --> 00:37:09,980
I just want to put yourself like you're 23 years old and like parents hear me on this

741
00:37:09,980 --> 00:37:19,180
and in 23, 24, whatever newer teacher, and you've got a schedule 25 to 30, 15 minute

742
00:37:19,180 --> 00:37:27,060
high impact, highly accurate, get to the point, but yet be cordial and open and all of that

743
00:37:27,060 --> 00:37:35,900
meetings with people who are twice, it could be twice your age could be, you know, like,

744
00:37:35,900 --> 00:37:39,380
cause I have felt that with some new teachers when I'm going to sit down and I, I'm now

745
00:37:39,380 --> 00:37:43,540
again, I've been at this, I've been in this gig long enough from just, I'm just like,

746
00:37:43,540 --> 00:37:46,860
I'll just break the ice right away and be like, listen, you're, you're killing it.

747
00:37:46,860 --> 00:37:50,620
And you're one of, you're one of my kids' favorite teachers and we're just, we're just,

748
00:37:50,620 --> 00:37:54,460
Hey, thank you for taking, we're just glad to have the time with you.

749
00:37:54,460 --> 00:37:58,140
What can we do to, and that's always the, what can we do to help kind of, kind of question,

750
00:37:58,140 --> 00:38:10,400
but thinking about motivation, motivating our kids, getting them to have, getting them

751
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:11,700
to have motivation.

752
00:38:11,700 --> 00:38:15,100
Well, and I think as they get older, that's even more of a challenge.

753
00:38:15,100 --> 00:38:16,100
Yeah.

754
00:38:16,100 --> 00:38:21,900
When, well, you're, someone's, someone's got a little senioritis that he's trying to navigate

755
00:38:21,900 --> 00:38:22,900
through.

756
00:38:22,900 --> 00:38:31,740
And with the kid that just is like, I just feel like they don't want to learn.

757
00:38:31,740 --> 00:38:37,940
And I want them to at least like care enough to like do the work that they need to do.

758
00:38:37,940 --> 00:38:39,460
And I'm so frustrated.

759
00:38:39,460 --> 00:38:42,220
I'm just so frustrated with my kid.

760
00:38:42,220 --> 00:38:46,220
They just won't do the stuff.

761
00:38:46,220 --> 00:38:47,820
What what's going on, Carla?

762
00:38:47,820 --> 00:38:49,300
What can we do?

763
00:38:49,300 --> 00:38:51,780
Well, when you find out, let me know.

764
00:38:51,780 --> 00:38:54,660
I think, I think it's back to that.

765
00:38:54,660 --> 00:38:55,980
All kids learn differently.

766
00:38:55,980 --> 00:38:58,900
All kids are going to be who they are created to be.

767
00:38:58,900 --> 00:39:00,400
And that is all different.

768
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:01,960
And so they're not all going to college.

769
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,920
They're not all academic love school.

770
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,980
I've met plenty of kids and have one in my house who doesn't love school, but I think

771
00:39:08,980 --> 00:39:12,020
we have to continue to, what is your potential?

772
00:39:12,020 --> 00:39:13,820
What are we asking from you?

773
00:39:13,820 --> 00:39:15,980
What do we, what do we expect of you?

774
00:39:15,980 --> 00:39:17,940
We don't, we don't get D's and F's in my house.

775
00:39:17,940 --> 00:39:20,860
We just don't because you all can do better than that.

776
00:39:20,860 --> 00:39:25,380
And there's consequences for not doing that, but here's, here's where we are.

777
00:39:25,380 --> 00:39:28,460
So I think that finding that motivation, because what are they good at?

778
00:39:28,460 --> 00:39:34,260
I have a kid at school right now who, who he struggles academically.

779
00:39:34,260 --> 00:39:35,580
He's going to be the best adult.

780
00:39:35,580 --> 00:39:38,900
Like I cannot wait to see where he goes as an adult.

781
00:39:38,900 --> 00:39:43,380
He's the nicest kid and he's not, you're not dumb.

782
00:39:43,380 --> 00:39:46,140
School's not, school's hard because he just doesn't love it.

783
00:39:46,140 --> 00:39:50,840
But I, I cannot wait to see where that kid is in 10 years because he's just smart and

784
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,380
in such a different way that has nothing to do with books.

785
00:39:54,380 --> 00:39:56,140
Your son who's an auto is my sons and autos too.

786
00:39:56,140 --> 00:40:00,900
I mean like finding something where he doesn't have to be at school every day, but he's getting

787
00:40:00,900 --> 00:40:06,060
educated in a different way where he's learning something that's going to be useful in his

788
00:40:06,060 --> 00:40:07,060
life.

789
00:40:07,060 --> 00:40:11,900
He may not be a mechanic, but him finding something that's not behind a desk and the

790
00:40:11,900 --> 00:40:15,620
laptop or pencil and tests was huge for him.

791
00:40:15,620 --> 00:40:20,180
So I think finding our kids passions, letting them know school's important and you, you

792
00:40:20,180 --> 00:40:21,180
got to graduate, right?

793
00:40:21,180 --> 00:40:22,580
That's not an option in our house either.

794
00:40:22,580 --> 00:40:26,560
You're going to graduate, but after that you have so many choices, but how do we support

795
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,040
you along the way?

796
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:30,040
And every kid is different.

797
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:34,180
So if my first kid gets all A's, that's amazing, but my next kid may, may get B's and that's

798
00:40:34,180 --> 00:40:35,900
really the best they can do.

799
00:40:35,900 --> 00:40:40,260
So I think recognizing that and then trying to avoid some of that comparison with our

800
00:40:40,260 --> 00:40:42,480
own, between our own kids.

801
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:48,160
So I think, I think supporting kids seems a little bit easier when they're, you know,

802
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:53,720
K through five, fifth grade, whatever, as they get older, that's a little bit tougher

803
00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:58,680
to spend the time and doing things together as far as like reading and supporting their

804
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,140
education and all sorts of other stuff.

805
00:41:01,140 --> 00:41:05,960
What advice would you give for those of us who have kids in high school and junior high?

806
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:06,960
Right.

807
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,900
So I think high school and junior high, it becomes there.

808
00:41:08,900 --> 00:41:10,540
We become involved in what they're doing.

809
00:41:10,540 --> 00:41:11,980
So I'm sitting in a lot of gyms.

810
00:41:11,980 --> 00:41:13,480
I'm attending lots of programs.

811
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,720
I'm watching that, you know, I saw you in the gym just this last week.

812
00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:17,720
That's where we saw each other.

813
00:41:17,720 --> 00:41:18,720
Right.

814
00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:20,500
So I think that we are now joining in with them.

815
00:41:20,500 --> 00:41:24,980
So it's not so much motivated by mom says we're going to read or do this, but what are

816
00:41:24,980 --> 00:41:25,980
you doing?

817
00:41:25,980 --> 00:41:27,180
And then I'm, I'm going to be there.

818
00:41:27,180 --> 00:41:29,440
Our kids have known from very young age.

819
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,620
We can't, we won't be at everything.

820
00:41:31,620 --> 00:41:36,460
So we still love you, but we have other things that we're doing and we have three kids.

821
00:41:36,460 --> 00:41:38,900
So divide and conquer doesn't even always work.

822
00:41:38,900 --> 00:41:43,720
But I think joining them in those so that you have questions that you can ask and then

823
00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:47,820
you know their friends and then your social group kind of becomes these families that

824
00:41:47,820 --> 00:41:49,660
you're spending all this time with.

825
00:41:49,660 --> 00:41:54,780
I think that that is the different kind of motivation to, when you danced this weekend

826
00:41:54,780 --> 00:41:59,020
for show choir was amazing and that, you know, and kind of providing that encouragement for

827
00:41:59,020 --> 00:42:02,420
them to keep, keep on keeping on in those things.

828
00:42:02,420 --> 00:42:06,140
And I got to do well enough in school so I can do those extracurricular things, at least

829
00:42:06,140 --> 00:42:08,140
at our house you do.

830
00:42:08,140 --> 00:42:09,140
Yeah.

831
00:42:09,140 --> 00:42:10,140
Yeah.

832
00:42:10,140 --> 00:42:15,240
So thinking about, cause you just touched on this, the idea and the understanding that

833
00:42:15,240 --> 00:42:20,240
not every single one of our kids is going to go to college, that there are different

834
00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:22,160
in public education, when is this shift?

835
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:26,700
Cause the shift has begun to happen and I'm wondering when it happened, what you think

836
00:42:26,700 --> 00:42:33,440
caused it, where we are now okay with having the, you don't have to go to college, you

837
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:39,000
know, traditional college or whatever it is after, after high school, what made that okay?

838
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:44,020
What made that, that seem or, cause not everybody has caught up to this yet, but like it is

839
00:42:44,020 --> 00:42:45,900
becoming more nor more normalized.

840
00:42:45,900 --> 00:42:50,780
And I'm, I mean, I is having one, at least one kid that I know is very much like, yeah.

841
00:42:50,780 --> 00:42:51,780
Yeah.

842
00:42:51,780 --> 00:42:52,780
And same for Andy.

843
00:42:52,780 --> 00:42:58,000
Like is, is very like, definitely has a clear skill set and things can, and I think is going

844
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:03,440
to be like, I really think a great successful person, but boy, oh boy, traditional four

845
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:04,440
year college.

846
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,680
Like I would not wish that upon him.

847
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:12,480
You know unless, unless he changes his mind or whatever, but like, it's not like I feel

848
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,060
like I've just got to ram this down his throat.

849
00:43:16,060 --> 00:43:17,360
What has caused the change?

850
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:22,640
What has caused, cause I'm, cause for, to you, for me to hear from a school administrator,

851
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:27,520
that that is an acceptable way of thinking, I think is a relatively new introduction into

852
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:28,520
education.

853
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:29,520
Right.

854
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,560
So I think when the state changed some of their graduation pathways, I think that's

855
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:33,560
where it started.

856
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:37,660
The conversation started there, I would, I think for the most part.

857
00:43:37,660 --> 00:43:42,000
And then I think it's just seeing kids go to college and making it a semester and then

858
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,000
coming back home.

859
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,680
And then they felt like failures.

860
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,080
They felt like I wasn't good at that.

861
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:48,080
I didn't do it.

862
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:49,960
I was, and then everybody's like, well, what are you doing home?

863
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:54,040
Like having all these people ask these questions and then they just were like, well, no, I

864
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:55,360
don't, I don't know what to do.

865
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:59,600
And also I think it's because we don't have qualified workers who are ready to go into

866
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:00,840
all of these trades.

867
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:06,600
And so I think trades are doing a good job and schools are doing a much better job of

868
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,080
getting kids out and about.

869
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:14,600
So Andy and I both have sons in autos, but, um, senior year of my kids since my, I mean,

870
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,560
I think we've been doing it at Fairfield, gosh, five or six years, the senior year,

871
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:19,560
they can do work-based learning.

872
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,160
And I think that has been huge as well.

873
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:28,360
But again, it came about as started getting high school credits in junior high.

874
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,760
By the time you got to your senior year, you were almost done.

875
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,780
My daughter needs two credits this year.

876
00:44:33,780 --> 00:44:35,080
So she's doing work-based learning.

877
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,360
Then she goes to school in the afternoon.

878
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:42,740
And I think providing some of those options gave kids the opportunity at 17 and 18 years

879
00:44:42,740 --> 00:44:48,160
old to make some decisions about what I want, what I want to do.

880
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:53,080
But also we talk a lot about it in our house of like, everything is, everything is really

881
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:54,080
on the table.

882
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,040
You really could, but what do you not want to do?

883
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,760
And so go try some of these things and be like, I don't want to do that.

884
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,120
I don't want to put on a tool belt and go outside and work every day in the cold.

885
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:03,120
Okay.

886
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,400
Well that's now we know one more thing you don't want to do.

887
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:10,420
So I think having those conversations, but I, I think that skilled workers and we just

888
00:45:10,420 --> 00:45:11,420
need them.

889
00:45:11,420 --> 00:45:13,560
And so I think we need them at 18.

890
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,800
And they will make, and they will make a lot of money.

891
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,300
This is the, this is the other thing.

892
00:45:18,300 --> 00:45:25,780
Like I, I just, um, you know, I, I probably have said this before, but there was back

893
00:45:25,780 --> 00:45:30,740
in the day when I worked with a lot of con with a lot of contractors in the job that

894
00:45:30,740 --> 00:45:36,000
I had, and this was in like, um, like floor flooring, what they call coverings industry,

895
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,180
flooring skilled tile people, things like that.

896
00:45:39,180 --> 00:45:41,400
I didn't have, I was in sales.

897
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:48,920
I didn't have a client that was under the age of 35 at the, at the time, like no, like

898
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:50,500
no young people.

899
00:45:50,500 --> 00:45:54,360
And so, and then one day this guy walks in, he was from, he's from Middlebury, he's 20

900
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,080
years old.

901
00:45:56,080 --> 00:46:00,280
And I find out that he's, so he's taking up all these jobs that these larger, like older

902
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:05,780
contractors don't like, don't want to touch whatever this kid was clearing at 19 years

903
00:46:05,780 --> 00:46:08,480
old, he was making $80,000 a year.

904
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:09,480
Right.

905
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:15,240
And probably not even doing the best work, but still like he was, he had, he had, he

906
00:46:15,240 --> 00:46:18,880
had done an apprenticeship for eight for a year after, after high school under, under

907
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,720
somebody who knew, knew the trade and had just like picked up this business and, you

908
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:27,240
know, got himself a business card and a Facebook page and was, and was working all over Northern

909
00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:28,240
Indiana here.

910
00:46:28,240 --> 00:46:33,040
And I think people who are willing to train young people and do apprenticeships or internships

911
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,600
and then pay for their schooling and will, will pay for that certification or whatever

912
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:37,600
else that you need.

913
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:41,480
I think that that is huge too, because then you can guarantee what your employees are

914
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,940
going to be able to do because you provided the training.

915
00:46:43,940 --> 00:46:44,940
And I think that that's amazing.

916
00:46:44,940 --> 00:46:52,600
But yeah, I think this age gap of my husband's going to be 49 and he works in construction

917
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:56,960
and he will still say, and has said for almost 20 years now, he's the youngest guy on the

918
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:57,960
job.

919
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:58,960
Guess what?

920
00:46:58,960 --> 00:46:59,960
He still is.

921
00:46:59,960 --> 00:47:00,960
Yeah.

922
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:01,960
Wow.

923
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:02,960
Yeah.

924
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,680
Like he, like there's just not a lot of people who are really young who are going into like,

925
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,160
yes, I want to, I want to do this.

926
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:08,920
I'm going to do this skilled work.

927
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,800
And they're going to be able to, I mean, the need is going to be so high.

928
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:13,760
They're going to be able to name their, their own price.

929
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,120
They're going to be able to, and quite honestly, they're going to be able to name their own

930
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:17,920
hours even increasingly.

931
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:24,080
So I just had a conversation with another, with a, with a guy who owns an HVAC company.

932
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,400
And again, said right out of high school, you can come apprentice with him.

933
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:28,400
You're going to work.

934
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:29,400
Now, here's the deal.

935
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,520
You don't work 60 hours a week the first three years.

936
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:36,340
And so that's the other, I think that's the other piece that we have to be talking with

937
00:47:36,340 --> 00:47:39,960
our kids about is just the nature of work.

938
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:44,360
I think something has gotten sideways on this.

939
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,360
I can become an influencer.

940
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:51,320
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I want to work like anybody that's trying to sell you the 20 hour

941
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:56,440
work week or whatever, especially when you were young, it's like, it's like, no, so it's

942
00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:00,420
going to be work, but it is going to be meaningful work.

943
00:48:00,420 --> 00:48:04,160
It's going to be, you're going to be kind of charting the charting your own course.

944
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:09,400
And you're going to be able to call the shots in a, in a much more distinct sort of distinct

945
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:10,400
sort of way.

946
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:17,440
And I think those things are helpful to be thinking about and we can start to be having

947
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,280
those conversations and learning, learning the things that we need to learn about good

948
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:26,040
about just the nature of work in school right now in school and at home.

949
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,000
And I think that those are the, those are the kinds of life lessons that I think that

950
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:34,840
you, we, yes, we can enforce at school, reinforce at school, but I think it's that work ethic

951
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:38,560
that you're going to probably get at home.

952
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:39,560
And yeah, I agree, Joel.

953
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:44,320
I think that this whole idea of our kids don't get our lives.

954
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:50,720
We've worked a long time to get to get the house we have and the cars we're driving,

955
00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:51,720
you know what I mean?

956
00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:52,720
And the vacations.

957
00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:57,960
And I think, wow, I wasn't taking, I wasn't taking a Mexico trip when I was, you know,

958
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:59,360
for my fifth year anniversary.

959
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:00,360
Yeah.

960
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:01,360
Right.

961
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,360
We worked, I mean, well, like I graduated into the recession.

962
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:04,360
I'm going to be 41.

963
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:05,360
Andy's a little bit older.

964
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:06,360
Not much.

965
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:07,360
Me too.

966
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,360
Mom, but we'll learn both of you then.

967
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:13,400
I had, you know, I was working, me and my wife were working two jobs before we had kids.

968
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:17,080
We were working two jobs.

969
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:21,760
And like it was, it was hard and it was a lot of, it was work and it was late nights

970
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,760
and it was things like that, which is, again, it's like you're in your, we were, we were

971
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:25,760
in our early twenties.

972
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,800
It's like, what a better time to do that than then.

973
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:33,460
But you know, my kids don't get like, and I'm, I'm even struggling now to like help

974
00:49:33,460 --> 00:49:37,120
my kids understand that we'll have, we'll tell them these stories of like, yeah, you

975
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:42,120
know how mom and I have like one job right now, each like we used to have two, right.

976
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:46,080
And we would go to a normal job the first, like first half of the day.

977
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:50,880
And then we had these other rando jobs that we would take in weird, weird hours or whatever

978
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:52,280
so that we could survive.

979
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,520
And so that we could, so you may remember that first house that you guys, when we were

980
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,360
born where we were, how do you think that happened?

981
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,560
And, and try and tell those stories a little bit more.

982
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:05,760
But the fact that the also like, it wasn't always like, it wasn't easy.

983
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:11,000
No, we, we at our house, we say we call it work for a reason because you actually have

984
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:12,000
to do something.

985
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,320
You actually might have to work.

986
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,480
It's not always easy.

987
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:23,380
And so yeah, 60 hour weeks are hard and learning a new trade is hard and sticking it out when

988
00:50:23,380 --> 00:50:27,360
you're unhappy or it's a bad day is hard.

989
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:28,360
But honorable.

990
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:29,360
Yeah, correct.

991
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:33,600
And the, the satisfaction you can get out of a hard day's work, whether it's manual

992
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,880
labor or just using your brain is amazing.

993
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:40,980
Well, and I think that's one of the reasons that I've loved the whole programs that Fairfield

994
00:50:40,980 --> 00:50:45,680
has as far as, you know, all of the stuff that they do with all of their schools and

995
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:50,280
they get a chance to do like welding and all sorts of fun stuff that they can see, okay,

996
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,340
this is for me, this isn't for me.

997
00:50:53,340 --> 00:50:54,960
And I know growing up, I never had that.

998
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:55,960
Right.

999
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:56,960
I just went to school.

1000
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:57,960
And that's a big shout out.

1001
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,720
I mean, our, again, for listeners not immediately near us.

1002
00:51:01,720 --> 00:51:08,880
So Fairfield junior high, senior high, you know, just on the edge of kind of a larger

1003
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,360
town, but serving more of a, a little bit more of a rural population out in the, out

1004
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:17,800
in the country, but really serving, I would say educating to where a lot of the students

1005
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,240
are, a lot of these kids, they're a lot of farm, you know, agriculture, farm kids, kids

1006
00:51:21,240 --> 00:51:25,800
that are, they have parents that are in, are in various trades and things like that.

1007
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:31,640
And you know, I, I, I'm so, so grateful for it because it's like, I know my kid, I mean,

1008
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:36,600
the, the idea that, that his high school experience will actually be preparing him where he'll

1009
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,000
have in terms of like trainings and certifications.

1010
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:45,520
I mean, he can almost really go immediately, right out of, out of high school and go start,

1011
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,440
start a meaningful profession.

1012
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,200
And I think that's, and I love, I love that for our kids, but I think that's hard too,

1013
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,360
because then I'm also like, I don't want you to go work 40, 60 hours a week when you're

1014
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:54,360
19 years old.

1015
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,760
I want you to be a kid and have some experience.

1016
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:03,200
So then talking about that the world is bigger than this place and, and money and work and,

1017
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,160
and do the things that you want to do when you're, when you're younger.

1018
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:07,160
Yeah.

1019
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:08,160
Yeah.

1020
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:14,480
Um, thinking about, uh, kind of my last question here, thinking about resources that parents

1021
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:20,200
can pursue to help their kids learn, um, things that are out there.

1022
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:24,560
Um, it's like, man, okay, I want to help my, I, okay, I know I need to do a better job

1023
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:29,960
of this maybe, or I need to be a little more dialed into my child's education as education,

1024
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,960
apart from direct conversations with teachers, which we, we want to say yes, yes, yes.

1025
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:37,640
Again and again and again, have that conversation with a teacher.

1026
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:42,720
Um, but apart from that, what are some other things that kind of come to your mind?

1027
00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:46,600
Can maybe parents could train themselves up a little bit on?

1028
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:48,840
Yeah, I think it depends on what your kid needs, right?

1029
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:53,080
If your kid actually needs some extra support and tutoring, then there that is available.

1030
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:54,360
You have to go find it.

1031
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:58,600
There are tutoring resources out there that you can, you can look into.

1032
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,920
Some schools have teachers who are willing to tutor on the side.

1033
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:07,860
Um, Sylvan center, there's different places that you can find that specific support.

1034
00:53:07,860 --> 00:53:11,880
And then I think some of the other stuff is the kids are going to be on devices and we,

1035
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:12,880
we just know they are.

1036
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:14,480
That's another show for another day.

1037
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:18,680
Um, but I think that if they're going to be on their, on their devices, there are lots

1038
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:23,440
of places to, I don't know, trick them into reading like, right?

1039
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,240
Like if you don't want to read a real book, then you can read on, read on your device.

1040
00:53:26,240 --> 00:53:29,520
And I think that that gives like, you can have some extra screen time as long as you're

1041
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:30,520
reading.

1042
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,680
Definitely lots of websites, resources, those kinds of things.

1043
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:39,240
Again, teachers will give you that best list that kind of match what they're doing in school.

1044
00:53:39,240 --> 00:53:44,680
Um, and I think it's that extra practice is, is important, but if they're, if they're doing

1045
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:45,920
okay at school, right?

1046
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:51,000
If they're really turning in their work and trying their best at home, it really boils

1047
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:57,340
down to me to those conversations that family time that turn off the TV and all the devices

1048
00:53:57,340 --> 00:53:58,760
and sit down and have dinner together.

1049
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:04,680
Some of those things that seem like back in the day when we were kids, we ate dinner together.

1050
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:08,820
I really think that that's just as important to home than reading and doing a little extra

1051
00:54:08,820 --> 00:54:09,820
math.

1052
00:54:09,820 --> 00:54:13,420
Plenty of studies out there about family, family, well being human flourishing connected

1053
00:54:13,420 --> 00:54:17,260
to daily or daily or weekly dinner time.

1054
00:54:17,260 --> 00:54:19,260
There's that, that is for sure.

1055
00:54:19,260 --> 00:54:20,260
For sure thing.

1056
00:54:20,260 --> 00:54:21,260
Awesome.

1057
00:54:21,260 --> 00:54:24,100
Well, Carla, this has been a great conversation.

1058
00:54:24,100 --> 00:54:25,680
Mom, very excited to be here.

1059
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:26,680
Thanks for having me.

1060
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:27,680
Thanks.

1061
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:33,880
But obviously before we let any of our guests go, and now it's time for the dudes and dads

1062
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:34,880
pop quiz.

1063
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,600
These are all the great questions that we come up with.

1064
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:41,640
Oh, and thank you Reagan, by the way, for that one wonderful voiceover.

1065
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:43,680
Reagan's actually in the, in the studio.

1066
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,680
She actually texted me and said, can I ask a question?

1067
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:51,280
Oh, so Reagan gets, Reagan gets to ask principal Carla the first, the first question on the

1068
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:52,280
pop quiz.

1069
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:53,280
Reagan, are you ready?

1070
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:54,280
Okay.

1071
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,440
I'm going to ask my first question while you can get ready.

1072
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:58,440
Okay.

1073
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:03,820
Carla, uh, Thanksgiving, just a few days away.

1074
00:55:03,820 --> 00:55:08,440
What is your favorite Thanksgiving dish?

1075
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:09,800
Two parter.

1076
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:13,360
And what is the worst thing that you have ever eaten at the Thanksgiving dinner?

1077
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,280
Oh, this is actually the same, the same answer.

1078
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:17,280
Oh, okay.

1079
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:18,280
Sweet.

1080
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,000
So my, God bless my mother.

1081
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:24,080
She made sweet potatoes when we were growing up, which I despised.

1082
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:32,160
I didn't enjoy the texture, but then the brown sugar and the marshmallow and the, no, hated

1083
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:33,160
it, hated it.

1084
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:37,840
But my favorite Thanksgiving food now, sweet potato casserole.

1085
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,560
So I don't know if I've just grown up or we just have a better recipe.

1086
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:41,560
I don't know.

1087
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,560
I got over the texture maybe too, but that would be my favorite thing.

1088
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,680
That's a great Thanksgiving come back story.

1089
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:48,680
Yes.

1090
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:49,680
Right.

1091
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:50,680
Fantastic.

1092
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:51,680
Okay.

1093
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:52,680
Reagan.

1094
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:53,680
Okay.

1095
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:54,680
You gotta get, you gotta get, you gotta get on the mic.

1096
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:55,680
All right.

1097
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:56,680
There you go.

1098
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:57,680
What do you consider your greatest achievement?

1099
00:55:57,680 --> 00:55:58,680
Oh my goodness.

1100
00:55:58,680 --> 00:55:59,680
I thought this was a fun pop quiz.

1101
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:05,880
Like, um, well, because talking about education, I could talk about my kids.

1102
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:07,080
That probably is my greatest achievement.

1103
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:11,640
I do love my kids, my personal children, but I think my greatest achievement would be the

1104
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:17,840
over, I don't know, do the math, 25 years times 500 kids.

1105
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:18,840
Geez.

1106
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:20,840
And, and some of my schools were over 700.

1107
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:22,680
So I think that's my greatest achievement.

1108
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,880
I hope I am truly leaving a legacy for those kids.

1109
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,960
Um, I don't have a relationship with every single one of them.

1110
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:34,560
Um, but I hope that they know how to respect authority and respect adults, but have relationship

1111
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:36,560
with somebody who truly, truly cares about them.

1112
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,000
And I do love my job and going every day.

1113
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:40,000
Awesome.

1114
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:41,000
Okay.

1115
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,160
Carla, what book should Andy and I be reading right now?

1116
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,440
Dude, that's literally the one that I was going to pull.

1117
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,240
Oh, well, I beat you to it.

1118
00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:49,240
Sucker.

1119
00:56:49,240 --> 00:56:51,800
Have you read the anxious generation?

1120
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:52,800
This is on the list.

1121
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:53,800
Yeah, I've yes.

1122
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:54,800
Excellent.

1123
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:59,320
Listen, there's lots of graphs and charts in it, but it really is a good audio book

1124
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:00,320
as well.

1125
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:01,920
Um, but you can also read it.

1126
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:02,920
I did both.

1127
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:04,920
So the anxious generation.

1128
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:05,920
Okay.

1129
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:06,920
Oh, that's totally Andy's thunder.

1130
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,480
I got to look for a new one.

1131
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:10,480
All right.

1132
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:15,520
If you could change one thing about yourself, what would it be?

1133
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:22,240
Um, I wish I would have learned well, how to speak a different language.

1134
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:23,240
Oh, good one.

1135
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:24,240
Yeah.

1136
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:25,240
Yeah.

1137
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:26,240
Nice.

1138
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:34,200
Uh, what's the most embarrassing thing that's ever happened to you while it's while at school

1139
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:36,160
as a child or as an adult?

1140
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:40,160
We're going to say as an adult.

1141
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:41,160
Okay.

1142
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,400
Listen, I hate to be embarrassed.

1143
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,720
I avoided it at all costs at all costs.

1144
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:55,800
So I really, I probably being late, like, you know, like staff meeting or early morning

1145
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:59,080
meeting and you're like walking in and you're like, yep, but I preach it all of you for

1146
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,160
being here all the time.

1147
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:02,160
And here I am.

1148
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:03,160
Yeah.

1149
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:04,160
Sure.

1150
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:05,120
Beautiful.

1151
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:06,120
All right.

1152
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:10,120
My last question, if there was a sandwich named after you, what would be on it?

1153
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,000
Like there's a Carla Hosteler sandwich.

1154
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:14,000
What would you put on it?

1155
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,520
I'm going to go down to the deli in order to the Carla.

1156
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:17,520
What's what's on it?

1157
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:18,520
Okay.

1158
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:21,080
So I'm going to give a little shout out to old style deli in Elkhart.

1159
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:22,080
Yes.

1160
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:23,080
My favorite sandwich.

1161
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:24,140
Oh my gosh.

1162
00:58:24,140 --> 00:58:30,080
Which is the grilled Turkey spinach and then this amazing mustard.

1163
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:31,080
Ooh.

1164
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:32,080
Yeah.

1165
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:33,080
Not too horseradishy though.

1166
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:34,080
Cause I don't like horseradish sauce on it.

1167
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:35,080
It's grilled and it's yeah.

1168
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:36,080
Some kind of cheese.

1169
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:37,080
I don't know.

1170
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:38,080
Amazing.

1171
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:39,080
It's old style deli.

1172
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:40,080
You got a last one?

1173
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,080
Tom Terrific I think is what it's called.

1174
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,080
Oh, not the Carla.

1175
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:45,080
Not the Carla.

1176
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:46,080
We'll just call it Tom.

1177
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:47,080
It should be.

1178
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:48,080
My final question.

1179
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:52,920
I'll do the zombie question.

1180
00:58:52,920 --> 00:59:00,840
Of all of your family members, who, who lasts the longest in a zombie apocalypse?

1181
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:02,400
I think my son Mosey lasts the longest.

1182
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:03,720
He's just going to, he's going to outrun them all.

1183
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:04,720
He's going to outrun them.

1184
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:10,720
He's fast and he can run forever.

1185
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:11,720
It's the Ethiopian thing.

1186
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:12,720
It is.

1187
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:13,720
Totally.

1188
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:14,720
It's absolutely a thing.

1189
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:15,720
That or Kenyan.

1190
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:16,720
It's that or Kenyan.

1191
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:17,720
One or the other.

1192
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:19,440
Just a skill, a skill set.

1193
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,180
Well, Hey Carla, congratulations.

1194
00:59:21,180 --> 00:59:23,520
You have officially passed with flying colors.

1195
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:24,520
Thank you.

1196
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:26,020
Would you tell me if I failed?

1197
00:59:26,020 --> 00:59:28,420
No one's ever failed.

1198
00:59:28,420 --> 00:59:31,840
So if you were the first, if you were the first one, no, we would, we would, we would

1199
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:33,840
admit that.

1200
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:36,960
And he's like, yeah, we'd tell him.

1201
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:37,960
Awesome.

1202
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:38,960
Awesome.

1203
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:39,960
Awesome.

1204
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:40,960
Well, Hey everybody.

1205
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:41,960
Thanks again for hanging out with us.

1206
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:45,480
If you've got any great ideas for future shows, harsh criticisms, questions, whatever, send

1207
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:50,240
them on over to the dudes and dads podcast@gmail.com.

1208
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:53,720
We also love hearing voicemail, which we don't hardly ever get any of.

1209
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:55,400
People leave us a voicemail.

1210
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:59,480
5 7 4 2 1 3 8 7 0 2 Reagan sent me one the other day.

1211
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:00,480
Thanks Reagan.

1212
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:01,480
But was it a fake one?

1213
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:02,480
She's going to call right now.

1214
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:03,480
She's going to call right now.

1215
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:04,480
Leave a message.

1216
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:11,040
Hey, you can check out this show and all the other good stuff over at dudesanddads.com.

1217
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:15,680
And if you want to get yourself some awesome merchandise, merch.dudesanddads.com.

1218
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:16,680
Get the shirts.

1219
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:17,680
They're lovely.

1220
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:18,680
They're soft.

1221
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:21,200
They're comfy and oh so attractive.

1222
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:22,200
Okay.

1223
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:24,440
Hey, until next time friends, we wish you grace and peace.