And I think everybody has those stories, they just sometimes don't know how to share it.

But I am fascinated by the human experience.

Yeah, me too, man, me too.

And just like, like you said, just being able to be a part of.

Even if it's a 30, 45 minute conversation, in a lot of cases, these are people that we've ended up being able to stay in touch with too and.

Right.

Share their share in their journey as, as it progresses.

So that's cool.

And one of the other things I wanted to say too, because I guess the original.

Why how I sort of got into some of the spaces that we've managed to get in.

Remember when I was.

You remember when I was.

I was playing bass and I started playing.

Well, I started playing bass at church and then I started.

I did a couple.

I remember going on a drive with you and I was like, man, I'm playing for this artist.

Like it was my first time doing something like more.

I think I did a corporate thing.

And then it sort of led like to some artist stuff after like the third or fourth time out.

Yeah, yeah.

And the real reason, one of our earliest conversations about the whole DNA project and like making it more of a thing that's not just about me picking up an instrument was I saw there was a lot.

There was a handful of us at the time that were coming from similar backgrounds.

Some of us like grew up like doing the thing playing in church.

Some went to school and got their chops that way.

But it was like, now we're in this corporate space and this was some years back.

So I know things have shifted now, the way that the world views and now respects art and artists.

But at that time it was like starving musician.

If you told someone you're getting the music, they'd be like, they felt bad for you, they felt sorry for you.

A couple people were like, ah, tough break, tough hustle.

Good luck.

Yeah, good luck.

Yeah, yeah.

And that was like, that was me as I was formulating this like, as a business outside of like personal brand or just being a musician myself.

And even still it wasn't respected.

And that was discouraging at times.

But of course the big thing was when I took.

When I saw like we're coming with a lot of talent, people are coming with 10, 15, even more.

20 years of experience, hours and hours and hours of hard work to come.

Entertainment, your butt at your event.

And people would have the audacity to be like, either they want.

People want to lowball you, so they'd want to Pay you almost dirt, or they'd want to pay you the thing that comes from dirt, which is in food.

That was a conversation multiple times where people would be like, oh, yeah, we'll feed the band.

Like, you think that people spend their whole lives dedicated to this to come.

You have the audacity to let us entertain you and your guests wearing beautiful suits, the finest spread, the centerpiece of your event are the people on the stage that.

Setting the whole tone.

Imagine walking to the event and it's silent.

People like deal can get a dj.

There's no speakers working.

So now we're the centerpiece of your whole event.

And you have the nerve to say, you know, we could pay you in food or we can give you 100 bucks.

Like that kind of thing made me realize people are accepting this.

That's why it's working.

So that's what really drove me to be like, I want to be the guy to be the ambassador and the bridge between these corporate people.

I was going to say another word, but it's all good.

We're all in the same space.

These corporate people and the musicians are the talent and sort of like, you know, find some mutual ground that works for both and the respect that is now seen.

And I know that the world has changed, so I.

I know we played a role in that here in the city, but, yeah, that's kind of what drove me to get this thing started in the first place.

So.

I don't know if I've ever really said that.

No.

Well, to me, I.

I kind of knew that.

But I'm glad you shared that with everybody because, yeah, it was, it was.

It was interesting to see what you were doing then to what you're doing now.

And I don't want to.

I want you to share that one day with people.

But, yeah, I totally understand where you're coming from.

And I think the noble why is what a lot of people forget.

I shouldn't even say noble why?

Just having a good reason to doing it.

Yours comes from when you.

When you take.

And I forget who said this, but when you take the lens or stop looking through the lens of monetary gains.

Right.

Everything changes.

It's true.

I think too many people have the monetary lens on and they're looking through that lens.

I.

I see it.

It's so transparent.

Even when they try to hide it.

Yeah.

Smell it.

Yeah.

And it's always noticeable.

Can't hide.

Always.

You can't hide.

It's like your.

Your intention.

You can't hide your true intention.

Maybe For a minute, but it comes out.

People do a good job with your actions.

Yeah, it's true on the surface, right?

Yeah, yeah.

You can be fooled by it.

Remember we had this talk a while back about things musicians need to stop doing and I pointed it to musicians.

I guess it could be creators in any aspect.

But yeah, musicians.

Just because that's the nature of our podcast.

And that one that made me so mad was when people are like double booking themselves.

Like that's to me is a direct.

Obviously money is important, but I think when you are known for doing that kind of thing, it really.

You push yourself out.

Like there's only so far talent could take you before there's someone who's almost as good or better that, you know, respects your time as much as their own.

So like little things like that, that's the intentionality.

I think that's.

Or even just your interactions with everybody involved in that moment, from the text to the other people you're playing with, to the planner.

You know, how you.

That first impression really, really matters all the way through.

I'm living testament to just being kind to somebody and an opportunity coming from me just not even knowing who that person was.

Just speaking them with respect and kindness and how they came back to me and go, hey, I like, I remember how we met.

We had such a good first meeting.

Can you do this for me?

And it's like I didn't even know you were capable of doing this for me.

But like, that's crazy.

Those little things matter a lot.

And the way I am with, you know, a drummer or a keyboard is.

Might also bring me an opportunity because like, oh, he's a good guy.

I like we had a good.

And.

And all of a sudden now I'm getting referred.

Right.

You know, and.

Or I'm busy.

Can you get D D?

You know, I know a guy and you're the guy that they will refer you to.

And it's that those little, little things, they all go together really, really add up.

There's something we could go on, we could do.

We could do a whole seminar on do's and don'ts of we probably yourself in the industry.

It's so true, man.

And, and it's an ever evolving, changing industry too.

So that would be an interesting one.

We should definitely, not necessarily put a pin in this, but we should definitely continue that conversation and maybe expand it to something that we can share on different platforms.

There's a lot.