1 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:05,010 Hi there. 2 00:00:05,310 --> 00:00:06,060 It's Sue. 3 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:08,700 And thanks for joining me for tips and talk day. 4 00:00:09,330 --> 00:00:13,290 These are bite-sized topics that I pull from community questions and 5 00:00:13,290 --> 00:00:16,830 things that I'm observing in the world of handmade small business. 6 00:00:17,310 --> 00:00:18,900 If you'd like to submit a topic, 7 00:00:19,230 --> 00:00:23,640 DME, over on Instagram at gift biz unwrapped today, 8 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:27,450 we're going to talk about managing through a PR crisis. 9 00:00:27,780 --> 00:00:30,390 This is something you can have in your back pocket, 10 00:00:30,420 --> 00:00:33,030 so that if you are in a situation where you need 11 00:00:33,030 --> 00:00:34,440 it, it's going to be here, 12 00:00:34,470 --> 00:00:39,450 ready, and available for you managing through a PR crisis. 13 00:00:40,020 --> 00:00:41,580 Something happens, 14 00:00:41,610 --> 00:00:43,050 you weren't expecting. 15 00:00:43,230 --> 00:00:44,700 And now what, 16 00:00:45,090 --> 00:00:46,530 how do you manage through it? 17 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,380 Do you even address it at all? 18 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:51,420 These are all the things that we're going to cover. 19 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,420 This might apply for you as a maker in a couple 20 00:00:54,420 --> 00:00:55,350 of different ways. 21 00:00:55,710 --> 00:00:56,580 First off, 22 00:00:56,730 --> 00:00:59,310 if you have some type of an ingredient in your product 23 00:00:59,580 --> 00:01:02,400 that has started to make people sick or anything, 24 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:03,360 that's in the news, 25 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:07,740 that's associated directly with your product or some element that's included 26 00:01:07,740 --> 00:01:08,610 in your product. 27 00:01:09,300 --> 00:01:11,850 That could be an issue and a reason why this would 28 00:01:11,850 --> 00:01:14,550 become a PR crisis for you. 29 00:01:15,450 --> 00:01:19,980 Another thing could be if you've been associated with somebody and 30 00:01:19,980 --> 00:01:22,830 their behavior is just not acceptable, 31 00:01:23,250 --> 00:01:25,650 this may be something you need to address. 32 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:26,850 Let's talk through. 33 00:01:26,850 --> 00:01:30,090 What would you do if this type of situation comes up 34 00:01:30,090 --> 00:01:30,570 for you? 35 00:01:31,140 --> 00:01:33,300 I have three different things that I want you to think 36 00:01:33,300 --> 00:01:36,750 about to gauge what your level of response is going to 37 00:01:36,750 --> 00:01:41,010 be. The first thing is what's your level of connection with 38 00:01:41,010 --> 00:01:42,420 the situation at hand. 39 00:01:43,410 --> 00:01:46,590 It could be very distant in that case. 40 00:01:46,650 --> 00:01:47,790 I wouldn't even bring it up. 41 00:01:47,820 --> 00:01:50,040 There's no reason that you need to do anything at all. 42 00:01:50,790 --> 00:01:53,310 You could have a moderate connection. 43 00:01:53,340 --> 00:01:53,970 In other words, 44 00:01:53,970 --> 00:01:57,480 some of your customers know that you're linked with this situation 45 00:01:57,540 --> 00:01:58,920 or this person, 46 00:01:59,460 --> 00:02:01,140 or you could have a high connection, 47 00:02:01,140 --> 00:02:05,820 a very obvious direct link with that person or company. 48 00:02:06,150 --> 00:02:07,590 So that's the first thing you look at. 49 00:02:07,980 --> 00:02:12,780 What is my level of connection with the situation distant, 50 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:14,460 moderate, or high? 51 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,990 The second thing that you do is think about your position 52 00:02:19,020 --> 00:02:19,890 on the issue. 53 00:02:20,490 --> 00:02:22,650 Do you support the position? 54 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:24,270 Do you feel like, 55 00:02:24,270 --> 00:02:26,010 yeah, I wasn't really happy about this, 56 00:02:26,010 --> 00:02:27,240 so I'm not liking it, 57 00:02:27,660 --> 00:02:30,000 but I get that you made a mistake and we'll be 58 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:35,370 okay. Or is the situation such that you feel like you 59 00:02:35,370 --> 00:02:37,500 need a major disconnect. 60 00:02:38,010 --> 00:02:40,500 You do not want to be attached or you feel like 61 00:02:40,500 --> 00:02:44,460 you need to disconnect from the situation or person entirely. 62 00:02:44,940 --> 00:02:47,310 So this is the second thing that you want to analyze. 63 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,020 What's your position on the issue. 64 00:02:49,920 --> 00:02:52,110 And then based on that, 65 00:02:52,140 --> 00:02:55,950 then you decide what your actions are going to be. 66 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:00,010 The reason this is important is because want to make sure 67 00:03:00,010 --> 00:03:03,820 that any response that you have is in line with the 68 00:03:03,820 --> 00:03:07,480 level of intensity or severity of the infraction. 69 00:03:08,140 --> 00:03:11,680 If you're not really connected with the person to a high 70 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,770 degree and their infraction is minimal, 71 00:03:15,250 --> 00:03:16,690 I wouldn't do anything at all. 72 00:03:16,750 --> 00:03:20,650 Because if you do something you're actually calling attention to the 73 00:03:20,650 --> 00:03:25,030 situation versus you not being connected with it in the first 74 00:03:25,030 --> 00:03:29,560 place, in terms of number one into your level of connection 75 00:03:29,590 --> 00:03:32,170 and your position on the issue. 76 00:03:32,410 --> 00:03:35,980 Sometimes it's best just not to do anything. 77 00:03:36,580 --> 00:03:41,590 But if you have a strong connection with this person saying 78 00:03:41,590 --> 00:03:45,190 nothing could suggest that you're condoning the behavior. 79 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:47,770 You want to be careful with that as well. 80 00:03:47,770 --> 00:03:50,200 So you've got to think of while he's doing nothing, 81 00:03:50,230 --> 00:03:52,690 sending the wrong signal to my customers. 82 00:03:53,140 --> 00:03:54,640 Once you've judged this. 83 00:03:54,850 --> 00:03:57,550 And you've decided if you first off need to do anything 84 00:03:57,550 --> 00:03:58,120 about it. 85 00:03:58,570 --> 00:03:59,440 And if you do, 86 00:03:59,710 --> 00:04:03,490 to what level here are some different types of actions that 87 00:04:03,490 --> 00:04:08,860 you might take first is totally pulling the product either out 88 00:04:08,860 --> 00:04:10,060 of your inventory. 89 00:04:10,630 --> 00:04:14,020 Certainly if you're a baker and there's an ingredient that has 90 00:04:14,020 --> 00:04:17,860 started making people sick comes with some health ramifications, 91 00:04:17,890 --> 00:04:18,850 anything like that, 92 00:04:19,180 --> 00:04:22,000 that's pretty obvious you're going to stop using that product. 93 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,820 And if customers knew that you were using that product, 94 00:04:24,850 --> 00:04:27,040 then you probably going to want to make a statement that 95 00:04:27,310 --> 00:04:28,180 yes, in the past, 96 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:29,740 we've used that ingredient. 97 00:04:29,770 --> 00:04:32,440 Now that we know that it's not healthy and has been 98 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:33,040 pulled out, 99 00:04:33,070 --> 00:04:34,120 it has been replaced. 100 00:04:34,810 --> 00:04:38,470 If you have something that you've included in a tangible product 101 00:04:38,470 --> 00:04:40,960 that maybe is now dangerous, 102 00:04:40,990 --> 00:04:44,620 or has a metal that's been found not to be good 103 00:04:44,620 --> 00:04:45,880 or something like that, 104 00:04:46,270 --> 00:04:50,200 or even a business that represents that product has come under 105 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:51,160 some scrutiny, 106 00:04:51,430 --> 00:04:54,190 that's to a level that you don't condone, 107 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:55,540 then you're going to address it. 108 00:04:55,930 --> 00:04:57,520 You're going to talk about it with your clients, 109 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:58,540 you're going to address it. 110 00:04:58,540 --> 00:05:01,900 And then you're going to say what your action is going 111 00:05:01,900 --> 00:05:02,500 to be. 112 00:05:02,890 --> 00:05:05,620 And this is the last part is either yes, 113 00:05:05,620 --> 00:05:07,990 you're going to address the situation or no, 114 00:05:07,990 --> 00:05:08,500 you aren't, 115 00:05:08,500 --> 00:05:10,330 but if you are going to address it, 116 00:05:10,690 --> 00:05:12,640 here's how I was related with it. 117 00:05:12,850 --> 00:05:14,440 Here's how we feel about it. 118 00:05:14,710 --> 00:05:16,540 And here's what we're going to do about it. 119 00:05:17,260 --> 00:05:20,560 This is how you manage through a PR crisis. 120 00:05:20,950 --> 00:05:24,850 I bring this up because this recently came to the forefront 121 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:25,900 with my business. 122 00:05:26,230 --> 00:05:28,600 I've had a couple of situations like this, 123 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,060 where there have been PR questions, 124 00:05:31,390 --> 00:05:34,750 but this particular time it ended up being a little bit 125 00:05:34,750 --> 00:05:37,630 more severe because as I ran it through the levels of 126 00:05:37,630 --> 00:05:39,460 analysis, I decided that, 127 00:05:39,460 --> 00:05:42,190 yeah, this is something that I'm going to need to address. 128 00:05:42,460 --> 00:05:46,180 So what happened is I had a guest on one of 129 00:05:46,180 --> 00:05:51,640 my podcasts who is intimately involved in the maker world. 130 00:05:51,970 --> 00:05:54,760 And I didn't agree with the behavior. 131 00:05:55,120 --> 00:06:00,980 It was so off acceptance to me that there wasn't even 132 00:06:00,980 --> 00:06:04,460 a question about whether this behavior was appropriate or not, 133 00:06:05,180 --> 00:06:07,520 but I needed to sit back and think like, 134 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:11,240 how do I actually handle this to me? 135 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:15,020 It was serious enough that I couldn't just not do anything. 136 00:06:15,860 --> 00:06:18,350 I needed to make a statement and I needed to take 137 00:06:18,470 --> 00:06:24,080 action. So here I was associated with this particular person, 138 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:25,820 great interview. 139 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:27,380 Honestly, it was so good. 140 00:06:27,380 --> 00:06:29,630 I'm sure a lot of you who follow the podcast would 141 00:06:29,630 --> 00:06:30,260 have heard it, 142 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,280 but I needed to pull it down because even being associated 143 00:06:34,280 --> 00:06:35,240 in that way, 144 00:06:35,690 --> 00:06:38,870 looked like I was condoning what had become big news. 145 00:06:39,350 --> 00:06:44,030 So I ended up pulling the podcast down in its entirety, 146 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:45,890 but I had links everywhere. 147 00:06:46,550 --> 00:06:50,450 So if I pulled that podcast link and made that a 148 00:06:50,450 --> 00:06:51,200 dead link, 149 00:06:51,590 --> 00:06:53,270 that wouldn't be good for SEO. 150 00:06:53,270 --> 00:06:55,550 Wouldn't be good if people went searching for it, 151 00:06:56,060 --> 00:06:56,600 et cetera. 152 00:06:56,630 --> 00:06:57,200 Because, you know, 153 00:06:57,230 --> 00:07:00,020 over time you forget where all of your links are to, 154 00:07:00,050 --> 00:07:00,350 you know, 155 00:07:00,350 --> 00:07:02,570 if you're promoting certain products that you make, 156 00:07:03,170 --> 00:07:06,530 you don't remember if maybe they're on an Instagram post or 157 00:07:06,530 --> 00:07:08,450 in some type of collateral material. 158 00:07:08,780 --> 00:07:12,680 So what I did instead is I scripted out a response 159 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:13,730 to the situation, 160 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,670 explaining why the episode has been pulled down, 161 00:07:17,150 --> 00:07:20,090 not totally bashing anybody, 162 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:24,890 but being very stern on how I feel about a situation 163 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,910 and then explaining why it was no longer there. 164 00:07:29,330 --> 00:07:32,120 And if you want to hear it's just a two and 165 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:37,340 a half minute response that is in episode number 1 58. 166 00:07:37,340 --> 00:07:41,120 And what I did was I left the link there so 167 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:42,530 that I won't have any dead links, 168 00:07:42,740 --> 00:07:44,840 but if someone goes back and they're looking for it, 169 00:07:44,900 --> 00:07:46,430 they're going to hear my response. 170 00:07:46,460 --> 00:07:48,230 Instead of hearing the interview. 171 00:07:48,620 --> 00:07:51,710 The other thing is I was an affiliate with this company. 172 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:53,660 And again, 173 00:07:53,660 --> 00:07:58,880 I felt like my linkage with that affiliation no longer aligned 174 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:00,170 with my core values. 175 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,650 So I pulled the affiliate link down as well. 176 00:08:04,250 --> 00:08:07,820 Will I lose money because of that play probably, 177 00:08:08,060 --> 00:08:10,490 but it was something that I felt I needed to do. 178 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:12,650 My other suggestion for you, 179 00:08:12,650 --> 00:08:15,830 if you're ever met with a PR crisis is to try 180 00:08:15,830 --> 00:08:18,800 and take your emotion out of it because you are still 181 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,950 representing and are the face and the leader of your brand. 182 00:08:22,370 --> 00:08:25,370 And you want to make sure that you're positioning any response 183 00:08:25,370 --> 00:08:28,220 that you have in the light of the reputation that you 184 00:08:28,220 --> 00:08:28,940 want to see. 185 00:08:29,270 --> 00:08:33,560 If I started complaining about that particular person, 186 00:08:33,860 --> 00:08:35,840 not addressing it in a professional light, 187 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:37,970 I guess is the best way for me to say that 188 00:08:38,390 --> 00:08:39,770 that would come back to me. 189 00:08:40,490 --> 00:08:43,490 So the emotions behind it are not what I want to 190 00:08:43,490 --> 00:08:43,910 be sharing. 191 00:08:43,910 --> 00:08:46,910 Maybe I'll share that privately with people here in the office. 192 00:08:47,270 --> 00:08:48,260 If I chat with you, 193 00:08:48,260 --> 00:08:51,590 one-on-one, if we're over in my private Facebook group, 194 00:08:51,620 --> 00:08:53,030 maybe we would talk about it. 195 00:08:53,750 --> 00:08:56,520 You want to make sure that the way you're presenting yourself 196 00:08:56,610 --> 00:08:57,990 is in a professional light, 197 00:08:57,990 --> 00:09:00,870 the way people would want to see you stay logical. 198 00:09:01,140 --> 00:09:02,250 And clearly you can have emotion. 199 00:09:02,250 --> 00:09:03,570 If you're disappointed, 200 00:09:03,690 --> 00:09:07,320 you can say that if you're totally against a situation, 201 00:09:07,650 --> 00:09:09,240 yeah. Say that, 202 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,830 but getting into nitty-gritty or dirty talk or bashing people, 203 00:09:14,100 --> 00:09:14,700 none of that, 204 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,210 the situation with a PR crisis is you want to act 205 00:09:18,210 --> 00:09:23,250 quickly. You want to take your actions and response quickly in 206 00:09:23,250 --> 00:09:24,150 a logical way. 207 00:09:24,690 --> 00:09:26,370 This may not be something you address. 208 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:27,900 Even in this whole year. 209 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,230 You may never address it in the whole entire lifetime of 210 00:09:31,230 --> 00:09:31,950 your business. 211 00:09:32,190 --> 00:09:33,180 But if you do, 212 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,990 this is how you work through it on a logical level 213 00:09:37,410 --> 00:09:41,190 and take action the way you need to and represent the 214 00:09:41,190 --> 00:09:44,520 situation to your audience in the best light that you can 215 00:09:44,790 --> 00:09:47,580 so that you remain a leader and someone that people want 216 00:09:47,580 --> 00:09:48,180 to follow. 217 00:09:48,870 --> 00:09:50,310 Let me summarize once again, 218 00:09:50,370 --> 00:09:53,550 the steps that you were take first off the application would 219 00:09:53,550 --> 00:09:56,040 be if you have a product or an ingredient that you're 220 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,740 using that is meeting with some controversy, 221 00:09:59,100 --> 00:10:02,490 the second might be an association you have with a person 222 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:07,800 who heaven forbid has committed a crime or their behavior is 223 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:11,580 less than representative of what you would want associated with your 224 00:10:11,580 --> 00:10:17,250 business. Anything that that's negative press that could spin around and 225 00:10:17,250 --> 00:10:18,540 point to your business. 226 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:20,580 I consider a PR crisis. 227 00:10:20,610 --> 00:10:21,600 That's the definition. 228 00:10:22,260 --> 00:10:23,790 Here are the three steps that you would take. 229 00:10:24,180 --> 00:10:28,050 The first one is gauge the level of connection that you 230 00:10:28,050 --> 00:10:31,350 have with the ingredient or person. 231 00:10:31,770 --> 00:10:32,760 Is it distant? 232 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,550 Is it moderate or is it high? 233 00:10:36,510 --> 00:10:38,850 Secondly, what's your position on the issue? 234 00:10:39,150 --> 00:10:40,650 Do you support what they did? 235 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:42,900 Do they get a hand slap? 236 00:10:42,930 --> 00:10:44,310 You're not really happy about it, 237 00:10:44,310 --> 00:10:47,730 but you're willing to give them a second chance or is 238 00:10:47,730 --> 00:10:50,490 it a line in the sand that they have crossed? 239 00:10:50,490 --> 00:10:52,050 It is just too much for you. 240 00:10:52,530 --> 00:10:57,900 So what is your personal take on the situation from there? 241 00:10:57,900 --> 00:11:00,720 You guide what your reaction is going to be, 242 00:11:00,810 --> 00:11:04,860 and you want to keep your reaction in line with where 243 00:11:04,860 --> 00:11:06,510 you stand on one and two, 244 00:11:07,050 --> 00:11:11,610 if you are kind of disconnected or almost totally disconnected from 245 00:11:11,610 --> 00:11:12,360 this person, 246 00:11:12,780 --> 00:11:15,090 and you would give them a hand slap, 247 00:11:15,660 --> 00:11:18,090 maybe you are not going to do anything because you don't 248 00:11:18,090 --> 00:11:19,380 need to call to light, 249 00:11:19,380 --> 00:11:20,550 to all your customers. 250 00:11:20,550 --> 00:11:22,890 The fact that you're associated with something that's negative, 251 00:11:23,220 --> 00:11:25,200 if they wouldn't know it in the first place, 252 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:27,060 but if it's high, 253 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,580 you're very connected with that person. 254 00:11:29,670 --> 00:11:32,490 And you totally don't agree with what's happened. 255 00:11:33,090 --> 00:11:34,320 Not doing anything, 256 00:11:34,710 --> 00:11:39,120 sends the statement that you accept that behavior and that can 257 00:11:39,150 --> 00:11:43,800 affect your business and your sales options that you have of 258 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:44,550 what to do, 259 00:11:44,910 --> 00:11:50,040 pulling the products or switching out an ingredient for something different 260 00:11:50,070 --> 00:11:50,460 who knows, 261 00:11:50,460 --> 00:11:51,960 maybe it'll even be better. 262 00:11:52,620 --> 00:11:54,070 And then a verbal statement. 263 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:55,720 You leave emotion out of it. 264 00:11:56,140 --> 00:11:59,050 You act logically by going through this, 265 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:02,020 you know what action to take and you can take that 266 00:12:02,020 --> 00:12:05,650 action right away and then carry on and move forward with 267 00:12:05,650 --> 00:12:10,810 business. That's what I've got for you with handling PR crisises. 268 00:12:13,330 --> 00:12:14,260 That's a wrap. 269 00:12:14,620 --> 00:12:16,480 I'm a get to the point kind of girl. 270 00:12:16,630 --> 00:12:19,420 And this is what you can expect from these quick midweek 271 00:12:19,420 --> 00:12:24,490 sessions. Now it's your turn go out and fulfill that dream 272 00:12:24,490 --> 00:12:25,270 of yours. 273 00:12:25,570 --> 00:12:27,730 Share your handmade products with us. 274 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:28,930 We want them, 275 00:12:29,110 --> 00:12:32,020 and they bring us both so much happiness.