1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,889 I joined a like a closed group of sellers and I started learning about it and I 2 00:00:03,889 --> 00:00:09,339 dedicated every day, 12 hours of work, how it works, how to find products 3 00:00:09,409 --> 00:00:11,029 and this is how everything started. 4 00:00:11,674 --> 00:00:15,324 It was not a side hustle, it was like, I needed to do something, I had nothing to 5 00:00:15,324 --> 00:00:20,484 do, it was like my only opportunity, and this is also what made me very committed 6 00:00:20,494 --> 00:00:23,944 to it, and this is also one of the lessons that I'm trying to bring to people 7 00:00:23,944 --> 00:00:28,144 today, is that when you're going to start with something, take the time to do the 8 00:00:28,144 --> 00:00:31,514 research and to think about it, but once you decided to get started, you have to go 9 00:00:31,554 --> 00:00:35,504 all in, you have to decide, even if it's a side hustle, you need to count how many 10 00:00:35,504 --> 00:00:39,724 hours you can put in, and then just, you know, be fully committed to this project. 11 00:00:45,656 --> 00:00:50,116 Welcome to the e commerce podcast with me, your host, Matt Edmundson. 12 00:00:50,466 --> 00:00:54,066 The e commerce podcast is a show that is all about helping 13 00:00:54,066 --> 00:00:56,256 you to deliver e commerce wow. 14 00:00:56,536 --> 00:00:59,896 And to help us do just that today, I'm chatting. 15 00:01:00,131 --> 00:01:05,351 with Nahar Geva from Zik Analytics about the road to e commerce 16 00:01:05,371 --> 00:01:08,021 independence mindset and strategies. 17 00:01:08,081 --> 00:01:12,691 Oh yes, but before we dive into our conversation, let me share a 18 00:01:12,691 --> 00:01:17,391 previous podcast pick, a previous episode that I think you will enjoy. 19 00:01:17,421 --> 00:01:18,541 Well, maybe two actually. 20 00:01:19,231 --> 00:01:22,231 Check out how long does it take to make money with your e commerce 21 00:01:22,396 --> 00:01:24,416 Startup, uh, from Darwin Liu. 22 00:01:24,676 --> 00:01:26,336 That was a great episode, actually. 23 00:01:26,376 --> 00:01:30,256 I really, really enjoyed that, as was the one with Jesse Wragg, Should You 24 00:01:30,256 --> 00:01:32,736 Sell on Multiple Online Marketplaces. 25 00:01:32,736 --> 00:01:37,126 Two great podcast picks, uh, which you can access along with our 26 00:01:37,126 --> 00:01:40,836 entire podcast archive for free on the website at ecommercepodcast. 27 00:01:42,486 --> 00:01:42,966 net. 28 00:01:42,996 --> 00:01:44,866 That's ecommercepodcast. 29 00:01:44,896 --> 00:01:45,226 net. 30 00:01:45,646 --> 00:01:48,786 Plus, if you're there, and you haven't done so already, you know 31 00:01:48,786 --> 00:01:52,986 the drill, sign up to the newsletter and we will Send you out the links 32 00:01:52,986 --> 00:01:54,726 to the pod pack podcast picks. 33 00:01:54,726 --> 00:01:59,286 It's not easy to say, uh, along with the notes, uh, from our conversation, 34 00:01:59,286 --> 00:02:02,556 they come straight to your inbox totally for free, uh, which is awesome. 35 00:02:02,706 --> 00:02:04,446 So, uh, just sign up for that at the website. 36 00:02:04,476 --> 00:02:08,856 Now, are you struggling to grow your e-commerce business? 37 00:02:09,186 --> 00:02:12,426 Do you feel like you are constantly spinning your wheel? 38 00:02:12,861 --> 00:02:16,241 Trying to figure out what to focus on next. 39 00:02:16,241 --> 00:02:21,931 Well, let me tell you, I have been there and I know how frustrating it can be. 40 00:02:22,481 --> 00:02:26,421 That's why e commerce cohort sponsors this show. 41 00:02:26,451 --> 00:02:27,841 They take all of that away. 42 00:02:28,541 --> 00:02:31,941 They help businesses like yours deliver an exceptional customer 43 00:02:31,941 --> 00:02:37,331 experience that drives Results online and to get help, you get started. 44 00:02:37,621 --> 00:02:43,671 There is a free resource which you can get access to called e commerce cycles. 45 00:02:43,671 --> 00:02:45,141 It's actually a training that I've done. 46 00:02:45,451 --> 00:02:50,071 It's a mini course, which walks you through the proven framework for building 47 00:02:50,071 --> 00:02:51,941 a successful e commerce business. 48 00:02:51,941 --> 00:02:52,391 That's right. 49 00:02:52,391 --> 00:02:53,371 It's what we do. 50 00:02:53,806 --> 00:02:55,076 At our own GCHQ. 51 00:02:55,116 --> 00:02:59,256 Oh yes, I'll take you through the specific steps that we use on our own 52 00:02:59,286 --> 00:03:03,636 e commerce companies so you can see exactly how to put those concepts into 53 00:03:03,636 --> 00:03:06,176 practice in your own e com business. 54 00:03:06,196 --> 00:03:09,756 And the good news, this mini training, it's all free. 55 00:03:09,756 --> 00:03:11,486 You don't even need an email address. 56 00:03:11,796 --> 00:03:13,446 You can find out more at ecommercecycles. 57 00:03:13,486 --> 00:03:13,756 com. 58 00:03:16,576 --> 00:03:17,876 That's www. 59 00:03:17,946 --> 00:03:18,266 ecommercecycles. 60 00:03:18,416 --> 00:03:21,836 com, uh, to get access to the free training and get started with it. 61 00:03:21,856 --> 00:03:24,206 And let me know what you think, because we've put a lot of time and 62 00:03:24,206 --> 00:03:28,626 energy into that training and I would genuinely love to know what you think. 63 00:03:28,626 --> 00:03:31,296 It's the same sort of stuff I actually use when I do coaching with clients. 64 00:03:31,456 --> 00:03:32,906 So if you ever want to know what that's like. 65 00:03:33,296 --> 00:03:34,066 Go watch that video. 66 00:03:34,386 --> 00:03:35,206 Oh yes. 67 00:03:35,556 --> 00:03:42,636 Now let's talk about the trailblazing e commerce guru and entrepreneur who 68 00:03:42,656 --> 00:03:47,726 has earned his stripes by identifying unique strategies for finding winning 69 00:03:47,726 --> 00:03:52,366 products to sell on eBay way back in 2015. 70 00:03:52,406 --> 00:03:52,966 Oh yes. 71 00:03:53,456 --> 00:03:57,886 Nahar is the mastermind behind Zik Analytics, the game changing 72 00:03:57,886 --> 00:04:02,796 suite of eBay tools that's taken the eCommerce world by storm. 73 00:04:03,096 --> 00:04:08,526 With a powerhouse team of over 35 experts and a loyal global clientele, 74 00:04:08,536 --> 00:04:13,206 Zik Analytics helps businesses supercharge their online selling success. 75 00:04:13,806 --> 00:04:15,166 What a great bio that is. 76 00:04:15,486 --> 00:04:17,256 Uh, Nahar, it's great to have you on the show, man. 77 00:04:17,276 --> 00:04:20,616 All the way from very sunny Portugal, I have no doubt. 78 00:04:20,976 --> 00:04:22,786 Uh, welcome to the e commerce podcast. 79 00:04:22,806 --> 00:04:23,876 Great to have you on, man. 80 00:04:24,626 --> 00:04:25,516 Thank you so much. 81 00:04:25,516 --> 00:04:26,966 It's a pleasure to be here as well. 82 00:04:27,326 --> 00:04:30,616 Pleasure to get the opportunity to speak to such a great audience. 83 00:04:31,116 --> 00:04:33,546 Thank you for the warm words, for the kind words. 84 00:04:33,546 --> 00:04:37,726 And I'm here to share value and to try to help as many people as possible. 85 00:04:38,286 --> 00:04:39,936 Fantastic, fantastic. 86 00:04:39,936 --> 00:04:44,816 So, you started out in 2015, which, let's be real, in digital terms is a 87 00:04:44,816 --> 00:04:46,786 very long time ago, isn't it really? 88 00:04:47,226 --> 00:04:50,966 Uh, it's, a lot has happened in the last seven years. 89 00:04:51,406 --> 00:04:54,166 How did you get, why eBay, how did you get started on that? 90 00:04:54,166 --> 00:04:57,586 Was that just, you were looking for a side hustle, or was there something more to it? 91 00:04:57,641 --> 00:04:57,981 Mm 92 00:04:58,536 --> 00:05:00,206 Actually, yeah, actually, it's a funny story. 93 00:05:00,206 --> 00:05:06,056 So I, um, I've been, uh, in Israel before in 2015, the beginning of 94 00:05:06,056 --> 00:05:10,406 2015 with my, uh, at the time, my girlfriend, now my wife. 95 00:05:11,021 --> 00:05:14,821 And we decided, yeah, we decided to move back to Germany. 96 00:05:15,281 --> 00:05:17,321 She wanted to complete her master's degree. 97 00:05:17,391 --> 00:05:21,101 I decided to give up on real estate career in Israel. 98 00:05:21,431 --> 00:05:23,451 And we moved to Germany, to cold Hamburg. 99 00:05:24,591 --> 00:05:27,811 I was sure I'm going to do real estate in Germany. 100 00:05:27,871 --> 00:05:29,441 You know, I came with a lot of confidence. 101 00:05:29,871 --> 00:05:35,211 But very quickly I realized that with my language skills, my accents, there is no 102 00:05:35,251 --> 00:05:36,901 chance to make real estate in Germany. 103 00:05:37,241 --> 00:05:37,761 Okay. 104 00:05:38,431 --> 00:05:43,381 so after one visit in Israel, I, I met, uh, uh, at the time he was the, um, the 105 00:05:43,381 --> 00:05:49,431 owner of the real estate office in Israel, very, very experienced guy, um, with 106 00:05:49,431 --> 00:05:51,591 over 40 years experience in real estate. 107 00:05:51,591 --> 00:05:53,931 And he's a guy who knows to recognize opportunity. 108 00:05:54,031 --> 00:05:56,601 And he told me like, look Nahar, I'll be honest with you, with 109 00:05:56,601 --> 00:05:59,111 your accent, you have no chance to do real estate in Germany. 110 00:05:59,951 --> 00:06:02,291 The only things you can do there is sell something online. 111 00:06:03,091 --> 00:06:03,411 Well. 112 00:06:03,606 --> 00:06:07,326 And, well, the guy didn't have any information about e commerce and anything 113 00:06:07,326 --> 00:06:10,726 like this, it just made sense to him, and I was thinking about it, and I had 114 00:06:10,726 --> 00:06:14,916 some experience with selling goods on eBay, physical goods, at the time, so I 115 00:06:14,916 --> 00:06:21,706 went back to Germany, and I told to my wife, I, I must get a laptop, I must, you 116 00:06:21,706 --> 00:06:23,066 know, dive into this world of e commerce. 117 00:06:23,206 --> 00:06:25,896 of eBay dropshipping. 118 00:06:25,896 --> 00:06:28,436 This is what I hear that I can start without investing. 119 00:06:29,476 --> 00:06:31,446 My first impression actually was negative. 120 00:06:31,446 --> 00:06:34,726 I searched about it on YouTube and I saw some videos calling it a scam. 121 00:06:35,351 --> 00:06:35,801 Oh, well. 122 00:06:36,396 --> 00:06:41,006 And then later on I, I, you know, I joined a like a closed group of sellers 123 00:06:41,066 --> 00:06:45,166 and I started learning about it and I dedicated every day, 12 hours of work, 124 00:06:45,726 --> 00:06:49,586 how it works, how to find products and this is how everything started. 125 00:06:50,231 --> 00:06:53,881 It was not a side hustle, it was like, I needed to do something, I had nothing to 126 00:06:53,881 --> 00:06:59,041 do, it was like my only opportunity, and this is also what made me very committed 127 00:06:59,051 --> 00:07:02,501 to it, and this is also one of the lessons that I'm trying to bring to people 128 00:07:02,501 --> 00:07:06,701 today, is that when you're going to start with something, take the time to do the 129 00:07:06,701 --> 00:07:10,071 research and to think about it, but once you decided to get started, you have to go 130 00:07:10,111 --> 00:07:14,061 all in, you have to decide, even if it's a side hustle, you need to count how many 131 00:07:14,061 --> 00:07:18,281 hours you can put in, and then just, you know, be fully committed to this project. 132 00:07:19,151 --> 00:07:19,551 Yeah. 133 00:07:19,591 --> 00:07:20,441 No, it's very true. 134 00:07:20,881 --> 00:07:24,311 I was listening to, uh, what's his name? 135 00:07:26,461 --> 00:07:31,061 Ali Abdul on YouTube today and he was talking about how he gets asked a lot 136 00:07:31,101 --> 00:07:32,411 because he's quite a well known YouTuber. 137 00:07:32,411 --> 00:07:34,221 He makes a lot of money out of his YouTube channel. 138 00:07:36,091 --> 00:07:38,451 And he's, you know, he was talking about how a lot of people come to 139 00:07:38,451 --> 00:07:41,141 him and say, can I make 10 grand a month just from doing four hours 140 00:07:41,141 --> 00:07:42,691 a month on my YouTube channel? 141 00:07:42,691 --> 00:07:44,881 And he just goes, no, you can't. 142 00:07:45,301 --> 00:07:46,521 What's wrong with you? 143 00:07:47,081 --> 00:07:48,541 And it is interesting, isn't it? 144 00:07:48,541 --> 00:07:53,886 I mean, you do, you read about, um, people on the web or you. 145 00:07:54,276 --> 00:07:59,796 Uh, I, they seem to come up in my YouTube feed for some reason, um, you know, 146 00:07:59,796 --> 00:08:04,526 the videos from people who are like, make 10 grand a month from selling this 147 00:08:04,576 --> 00:08:08,756 on YouTube, it only takes one hour, you know, a week or something stupid. 148 00:08:09,386 --> 00:08:14,236 I have yet, uh, hi, maybe you can speak to this, I have yet to find 149 00:08:14,266 --> 00:08:18,076 any of those kind of things that actually work in the real life. 150 00:08:18,556 --> 00:08:19,856 Uh, you can't. 151 00:08:20,651 --> 00:08:23,891 It seems to me there may be one or two people in the world that look 152 00:08:23,891 --> 00:08:28,221 out and can do it, but growing an online business is going to 153 00:08:28,231 --> 00:08:29,811 require more than an hour a month. 154 00:08:29,851 --> 00:08:31,161 This is what you're saying, right? 155 00:08:31,676 --> 00:08:32,616 For sure, for sure. 156 00:08:32,616 --> 00:08:36,266 You need to be dedicated, you need to also, you know, you also need to choose 157 00:08:36,746 --> 00:08:40,276 your, uh, your, uh, uh, business wisely. 158 00:08:40,286 --> 00:08:43,416 If you don't, if you have only two hours per day, or three hours per 159 00:08:43,416 --> 00:08:46,476 day, you need to, you know, you need to choose, uh, the type of business 160 00:08:46,506 --> 00:08:48,006 wisely that will fit this type. 161 00:08:48,366 --> 00:08:50,426 And you also need to manage expectations correctly. 162 00:08:50,436 --> 00:08:53,416 You know, if you, if you put ten hours per day, you have, you will progress. 163 00:08:54,036 --> 00:08:56,926 Your progress will be much faster if you put only two hours per day. 164 00:08:56,966 --> 00:09:00,136 You can, you can make something out of it, but it will be much 165 00:09:00,136 --> 00:09:02,076 harder and it will take longer. 166 00:09:02,076 --> 00:09:05,896 So, of course, there is no magic here, it requires a lot 167 00:09:05,936 --> 00:09:09,116 of effort and, um, consistency. 168 00:09:09,336 --> 00:09:10,781 Consistency I would say is the key. 169 00:09:12,131 --> 00:09:14,341 Yeah, it's such an important word, consistency. 170 00:09:14,381 --> 00:09:15,121 I think you're right. 171 00:09:15,151 --> 00:09:20,421 And I think, um, one of the things that I've sort of realized is actually you 172 00:09:20,421 --> 00:09:25,301 can, you can, you can actually do a lot with an hour a day or two hours a day. 173 00:09:25,371 --> 00:09:28,631 If that is an hour a day or two hours every single day, 174 00:09:28,761 --> 00:09:29,301 Yes, 175 00:09:29,741 --> 00:09:34,381 it's, it's one of those where, um, you know, going to the gym 176 00:09:34,441 --> 00:09:35,571 is a classic example, isn't it? 177 00:09:35,571 --> 00:09:38,161 You go to the gym, you go to the gym once a month, it's not really 178 00:09:38,161 --> 00:09:40,601 going to help you other than it's going to make you a little bit sore. 179 00:09:41,501 --> 00:09:41,681 Yes. 180 00:09:43,086 --> 00:09:48,426 Where is, um, if you're doing a little bit every day, it's that continual 181 00:09:48,426 --> 00:09:49,666 little bit every day, isn't it? 182 00:09:49,736 --> 00:09:51,236 That, that makes a big difference. 183 00:09:51,236 --> 00:09:53,686 And I like what you're saying there about consistency. 184 00:09:54,436 --> 00:09:59,116 So you started out then, um, 12 hours a day, just researching eBay, 185 00:09:59,116 --> 00:10:04,026 figuring it all out, um, doing drop shipping on eBay, finding products. 186 00:10:04,306 --> 00:10:04,746 How did you. 187 00:10:05,456 --> 00:10:12,226 So, how did you determine, or how do you determine now, when you are researching, 188 00:10:12,226 --> 00:10:14,156 what constitutes a good product? 189 00:10:14,166 --> 00:10:18,896 What makes a product good and worthwhile to sort of chase? 190 00:10:19,491 --> 00:10:23,011 Okay, this is the, this is the one million dollar question, and of 191 00:10:23,011 --> 00:10:24,341 course I will be happy to answer it. 192 00:10:24,891 --> 00:10:27,971 So I would say just, just before I answer it, when I started, no one 193 00:10:27,971 --> 00:10:29,401 teached about product research much. 194 00:10:29,401 --> 00:10:32,911 It was like, go to your supplier, copy all the best selling items of 195 00:10:32,911 --> 00:10:36,071 your supplier, paste into your eBay store, and it will be okay, you know? 196 00:10:36,341 --> 00:10:37,911 So just upload everything and it will be okay. 197 00:10:38,251 --> 00:10:41,681 And I came with a background of doing business, I had like a retail business 198 00:10:41,681 --> 00:10:43,071 before, different retail businesses. 199 00:10:43,761 --> 00:10:47,141 And it makes no sense to me, you know, it's the basic thing in, in, 200 00:10:47,191 --> 00:10:49,061 in trading is demand and supply. 201 00:10:49,361 --> 00:10:51,641 There is like, this is the basic thing, no one's talking about it. 202 00:10:52,241 --> 00:10:55,671 So first I try to figure out this, what, how, how can I figure out 203 00:10:55,681 --> 00:10:58,991 demand and supply on eBay or on any other market, e commerce marketplace? 204 00:10:59,981 --> 00:11:05,126 So um, And then I realized after figuring out, okay, I can see 205 00:11:05,126 --> 00:11:06,536 the sales history on eBay, right? 206 00:11:06,856 --> 00:11:10,626 I can see how many people are selling the same item and under 207 00:11:10,626 --> 00:11:12,376 the specific keywords or title. 208 00:11:12,976 --> 00:11:15,166 Now, what else is important? 209 00:11:15,776 --> 00:11:20,436 Yeah, because in the end of the day, yes, it is similar to any retail business 210 00:11:20,476 --> 00:11:24,471 on one way, On the other way, it's not like a shopping mall where you, you 211 00:11:24,471 --> 00:11:27,701 know, you have your store and people get to the store and people walking 212 00:11:27,701 --> 00:11:31,401 and they just decide where to go to the first store, first floor, second floor. 213 00:11:31,651 --> 00:11:33,211 Here it's in a different way. 214 00:11:33,211 --> 00:11:34,241 It's an algorithm, right? 215 00:11:34,241 --> 00:11:35,341 It's a search engine algorithm. 216 00:11:35,941 --> 00:11:39,751 So you need to take in consideration that if we compare it to the physical 217 00:11:39,801 --> 00:11:44,501 world, right, where I rent a shop and this will always be my shop on 218 00:11:44,911 --> 00:11:47,601 eBay, Amazon or any, any marketplace. 219 00:11:48,631 --> 00:11:52,661 My ranking, my, where, where my store, where my product appear 220 00:11:52,671 --> 00:11:54,141 depends on actions I take. 221 00:11:54,181 --> 00:11:59,031 So it's actually much more, uh, uh, much more fair than a physical, 222 00:11:59,451 --> 00:12:00,681 uh, shopping mall, you know? 223 00:12:01,321 --> 00:12:06,401 So it's, what, if now answering to your question, so it's starting from demand. 224 00:12:06,501 --> 00:12:08,701 Of course, this is the most important thing is validate demand. 225 00:12:08,921 --> 00:12:12,241 You need to have demand to a product before you list it to your store. 226 00:12:12,741 --> 00:12:15,321 Second, uh, research your competition. 227 00:12:16,086 --> 00:12:19,916 And then, uh, determine whether it's a high competition or low competition. 228 00:12:19,926 --> 00:12:22,846 Now, competition is not just about the number of people 229 00:12:22,846 --> 00:12:23,886 who are selling the items. 230 00:12:24,206 --> 00:12:27,516 It's also about how competitive I can be compared to my competitors. 231 00:12:28,166 --> 00:12:30,306 So, what price am I going to use? 232 00:12:30,576 --> 00:12:33,696 Do I offer a product with an extra value? 233 00:12:33,716 --> 00:12:40,656 Maybe it's some sunglasses that come with a case, you know, or something like this. 234 00:12:41,146 --> 00:12:43,886 And maybe it's a different color that does not exist. 235 00:12:45,296 --> 00:12:48,846 And then I actually, I come into market with a lot of competition, but everyone 236 00:12:48,846 --> 00:12:51,146 sells red, and I bring blue, for example. 237 00:12:51,776 --> 00:12:55,746 So, so, we validate the demand by how many times the product sold 238 00:12:55,746 --> 00:12:57,136 in the last 30 days, at least. 239 00:12:57,626 --> 00:13:01,306 I would say this is the most important in the last 30 days, then we can go further. 240 00:13:02,306 --> 00:13:06,376 Then, um, I look on the price, the average selling price, I 241 00:13:06,376 --> 00:13:07,396 look at all my competitors. 242 00:13:08,111 --> 00:13:10,901 How many feedbacks they have, how strong they are, my competitors. 243 00:13:11,661 --> 00:13:15,181 Then I'm basically, after I validate this, I'm going to the supplier. 244 00:13:15,181 --> 00:13:19,001 It can be wholesale supplier, it can be dropship supplier, it doesn't matter. 245 00:13:20,211 --> 00:13:23,161 And then I'm trying to look for the same product or similar product. 246 00:13:23,191 --> 00:13:28,971 If I can get it For low enough, so I can say it's for competitive price, great. 247 00:13:29,521 --> 00:13:30,371 It's a bingo, right? 248 00:13:31,031 --> 00:13:34,351 I have, I'm on the first stage of finding a winning product. 249 00:13:34,461 --> 00:13:38,681 The next step is, okay, what my competitors are using, like what title, 250 00:13:39,041 --> 00:13:42,031 keywords, images, item specifics. 251 00:13:42,336 --> 00:13:46,306 Shipping policies, return policies, how I can be better than them. 252 00:13:46,716 --> 00:13:47,036 Mm hmm. 253 00:13:47,036 --> 00:13:47,456 Mm 254 00:13:47,536 --> 00:13:50,346 I just logically try to be better than them in every aspect. 255 00:13:50,576 --> 00:13:53,956 Now, it's not always possible to be better in every aspect, but if I 256 00:13:53,956 --> 00:13:58,606 have better price, faster shipping, and I optimize my title better, 257 00:13:58,636 --> 00:13:59,956 it's already a huge advantage, 258 00:14:00,236 --> 00:14:00,656 hmm. 259 00:14:01,116 --> 00:14:04,456 Or if I have amazing images, this is by the way, people don't give enough 260 00:14:04,456 --> 00:14:08,326 attention to it, but in marketplaces like eBay or Amazon, but if all your 261 00:14:08,346 --> 00:14:12,291 competitors with very bad images, It's actually an opportunity, even 262 00:14:12,291 --> 00:14:14,211 if you're a bit more expensive. 263 00:14:14,851 --> 00:14:17,661 Because today people buy, you know, they like to see what 264 00:14:17,671 --> 00:14:18,971 they less read, they more look. 265 00:14:18,971 --> 00:14:22,971 So if your images are much better, it's the way to kind of 266 00:14:22,971 --> 00:14:24,471 like overcome your competitors. 267 00:14:24,471 --> 00:14:25,891 So this is a winning product. 268 00:14:25,891 --> 00:14:29,971 You need to put all these puzzle pieces together and try to just, 269 00:14:29,981 --> 00:14:32,701 you know, make sure you have more pros than cons on your competitors. 270 00:14:34,586 --> 00:14:36,296 Yeah, there's a lot there, right? 271 00:14:36,346 --> 00:14:37,056 I'm not gonna lie. 272 00:14:37,106 --> 00:14:40,816 There's, I've got a lot of notes, um, so we can jump into those. 273 00:14:41,516 --> 00:14:46,326 So I love what you say, uh, right at the start, that you have to validate demand. 274 00:14:47,426 --> 00:14:50,666 And this has always been one of the things that's intrigued me, uh, 275 00:14:50,666 --> 00:14:51,856 whether it's eBay, whether it's... 276 00:14:52,381 --> 00:14:57,361 E commerce, whether it's Amazon, is that people buy products 277 00:14:57,361 --> 00:15:01,111 without ever validating demand to sell on their website. 278 00:15:01,141 --> 00:15:04,181 And then they're always curious why they're not selling. 279 00:15:04,931 --> 00:15:08,811 Uh, and it is the fundamental law of economics, demand and supply. 280 00:15:08,811 --> 00:15:12,251 There has to be the demand, especially if you're selling 281 00:15:12,261 --> 00:15:15,131 in a Western culture, right? 282 00:15:15,181 --> 00:15:16,711 Uh, where... 283 00:15:17,071 --> 00:15:23,281 The demand drives in effect the sales, so I've used the example before, the amount 284 00:15:23,331 --> 00:15:28,841 of times I've seen people do things like go to AliExpress, buy cheap sunglasses, 285 00:15:28,931 --> 00:15:34,071 and then put them on a website and charge 20 bucks for something they've 286 00:15:34,071 --> 00:15:38,851 just gone and paid a dollar for, and they just don't sell, and they struggle 287 00:15:38,851 --> 00:15:43,016 to understand why, and it's like, well, I No one actually wants to pay 20 bucks 288 00:15:43,026 --> 00:15:44,796 for the sunglasses on your website. 289 00:15:44,796 --> 00:15:48,126 That's your first fundamental problem, you've not validated demand, have you? 290 00:15:49,066 --> 00:15:54,036 So, you talk about validating demand, like you look at how many sales... 291 00:15:54,526 --> 00:15:59,626 Uh, so we'd call it maybe sales velocity in the last 30 days, um, 292 00:16:00,136 --> 00:16:04,686 which is, is, uh, doable on eBay. 293 00:16:04,696 --> 00:16:07,116 I'm guessing you can see the sales reports on eBay. 294 00:16:07,116 --> 00:16:07,786 Is that right? 295 00:16:08,056 --> 00:16:11,776 Yeah, so you can either go, if, now, it's, it's almost possible to the 296 00:16:11,776 --> 00:16:15,546 other way, so with eBay you get the actual, like, the, the, the positive 297 00:16:15,546 --> 00:16:18,186 side of eBay, you get the actual number of sales, the real number of sales. 298 00:16:18,736 --> 00:16:20,586 It's not some formula or some prediction. 299 00:16:21,146 --> 00:16:24,786 So uh, for instance, in Zip we collect this data, then we show you 300 00:16:24,786 --> 00:16:25,876 this on, on different time frames. 301 00:16:26,076 --> 00:16:29,966 You can also go to eBay, just go on the search result, you know, just search 302 00:16:29,966 --> 00:16:32,626 for something, then go to completed listings, and then you just see. 303 00:16:33,041 --> 00:16:35,771 You don't have the data collected, you still need to gather this 304 00:16:35,771 --> 00:16:38,391 information manually by yourself, but you can see the item that sold. 305 00:16:38,761 --> 00:16:41,631 You can go into this item, you can go and see how many times they sold. 306 00:16:42,261 --> 00:16:47,281 On Amazon, it's a, it's a, you don't have this, uh, data 307 00:16:47,576 --> 00:16:47,916 Mm hmm. 308 00:16:48,251 --> 00:16:50,001 you know, you can't just grab this data. 309 00:16:50,241 --> 00:16:55,201 But, there is today very accurate formulas, where they take reviews, 310 00:16:55,201 --> 00:16:59,001 BSR, and different information from Amazon, and they come up with 311 00:16:59,001 --> 00:17:00,211 formula that it's pretty close. 312 00:17:00,911 --> 00:17:03,731 It's not 100% accurate, but it's enough to make decisions, it's 313 00:17:03,881 --> 00:17:05,111 enough to validate the manuals. 314 00:17:05,691 --> 00:17:10,201 And even on Shopify, uh, it's possible today to, to, with certain 315 00:17:10,231 --> 00:17:12,961 tools, to, to, to do, to see. 316 00:17:15,386 --> 00:17:15,786 Wow. 317 00:17:15,876 --> 00:17:19,126 So we can hack Shopify to check out demand and sales. 318 00:17:19,296 --> 00:17:22,536 Um, one of the things that you mentioned there with Amazon, and one 319 00:17:22,536 --> 00:17:28,246 of the things I'm a big proponent of actually is, um, reading the reviews 320 00:17:28,316 --> 00:17:31,416 on your competitors websites, right? 321 00:17:31,986 --> 00:17:36,556 Um, and the reviews, so they sort of tell you so much, don't they? 322 00:17:36,576 --> 00:17:39,076 It's unbelievable what you can gain from people's reviews. 323 00:17:39,086 --> 00:17:39,706 So on Amazon. 324 00:17:41,126 --> 00:17:44,516 can say, well, you, you can make all kinds of assumptions, can't you? 325 00:17:44,516 --> 00:17:47,476 Which says, right, for every one review that is on Amazon, 326 00:17:47,476 --> 00:17:49,046 maybe there was a hundred sales. 327 00:17:49,046 --> 00:17:52,356 And so if we see that there's been seven reviews in the last seven 328 00:17:52,356 --> 00:17:55,226 days, we can assume that there was about 700 sales of the product. 329 00:17:55,226 --> 00:17:55,496 Yeah. 330 00:17:55,956 --> 00:17:58,696 And this is what you mean in terms of there's accuracy now, which 331 00:17:58,696 --> 00:18:01,586 you can use reviews and so on and so forth to try and predict. 332 00:18:02,186 --> 00:18:04,436 But you can do a similar thing on your competitors websites. 333 00:18:04,646 --> 00:18:06,536 You can go, well, when was this product last reviewed? 334 00:18:06,616 --> 00:18:10,891 Um, and if you buy that product from your competitor, And understand 335 00:18:10,891 --> 00:18:15,301 their review policy, like, did they email you asking you for a review? 336 00:18:15,391 --> 00:18:15,931 Um, 337 00:18:16,451 --> 00:18:17,471 Ah, okay. 338 00:18:17,801 --> 00:18:22,871 Yeah, it's like, you can start to pick that out and go, well, in relation to 339 00:18:22,871 --> 00:18:26,871 all the products on their website, I know their website does about a million a year. 340 00:18:26,871 --> 00:18:29,801 This is like the fifth selling product and it's got a hundred reviews. 341 00:18:29,801 --> 00:18:33,621 And so you can start to then build up sort of correlation models, can't you? 342 00:18:33,621 --> 00:18:38,211 And start to, it's not accurate, like spot on balls accurate, but actually it gives 343 00:18:38,211 --> 00:18:40,061 you some really interesting insights. 344 00:18:40,781 --> 00:18:44,411 Just by looking at the reviews on, on various different people's websites. 345 00:18:45,101 --> 00:18:45,491 Yeah. 346 00:18:45,771 --> 00:18:48,481 And actually the best you can learn from the bad reviews, because if 347 00:18:48,481 --> 00:18:52,671 you go on a product and you see like 100 bad reviews with similar... 348 00:18:53,131 --> 00:18:57,191 With similar, uh, complaint, then you understand, okay, if I want to improve 349 00:18:57,191 --> 00:19:01,471 this product, all I need to do is solve this problem everyone complained about. 350 00:19:01,981 --> 00:19:02,311 Yeah, 351 00:19:02,611 --> 00:19:04,581 So there's another way to use this information. 352 00:19:05,291 --> 00:19:07,591 which comes back to what you were saying in terms of being 353 00:19:07,601 --> 00:19:09,041 better than your competitors. 354 00:19:09,051 --> 00:19:12,521 So you could be better on price, but actually what you can do, and 355 00:19:12,611 --> 00:19:14,051 to be fair, we have done this. 356 00:19:14,361 --> 00:19:17,001 We have gone through our competitors reviews, figured out what. 357 00:19:17,451 --> 00:19:20,601 People didn't like about those products and then made a better 358 00:19:20,601 --> 00:19:23,511 product because that's all customer data and research, right? 359 00:19:24,081 --> 00:19:27,551 And so you can be better on price or you can actually be better because you 360 00:19:27,561 --> 00:19:32,551 have a better product And that's uh, I mean it takes a little bit more You've 361 00:19:32,551 --> 00:19:35,901 obviously got to get it manufactured or developed or whatever and but you 362 00:19:35,921 --> 00:19:42,231 can do that and it's a really valid way I mean to be honest with you. 363 00:19:42,241 --> 00:19:46,976 No, I'm just I'm Helping my kids build their own little online Hustle at the 364 00:19:46,976 --> 00:19:50,246 moment, you know, they're at uni, they want to make some extra money on the side. 365 00:19:51,516 --> 00:19:53,956 And so we've got a few product ideas and all we've done is we've 366 00:19:53,956 --> 00:19:56,866 just literally gone through reviews of web on websites and on Amazon. 367 00:19:58,681 --> 00:20:01,301 the first thing we did, validate demand and how can I make the 368 00:20:01,301 --> 00:20:04,571 product better, you know, and it's, uh, it's really interesting some of 369 00:20:04,571 --> 00:20:05,831 the results that come out of that. 370 00:20:05,841 --> 00:20:11,781 So, um, now I'm loving that, loving that and, and what else, what other 371 00:20:11,781 --> 00:20:13,211 tricks do you have up your sleeve? 372 00:20:13,211 --> 00:20:17,241 So you validate demand, um, you try and be better than your competitors, 373 00:20:17,391 --> 00:20:22,121 um, either in price and shipping and, and all of them, uh, what other 374 00:20:22,141 --> 00:20:23,651 tricks do you have up your sleeve? 375 00:20:23,891 --> 00:20:26,401 I, I would say, I wouldn't call it, what I'm going to show now is not a 376 00:20:26,401 --> 00:20:31,381 trick, but it's something that, uh, it's a mindset thing that, that we 377 00:20:31,381 --> 00:20:33,051 all have and we need to get rid of. 378 00:20:33,531 --> 00:20:35,351 And you know, like sometimes. 379 00:20:36,326 --> 00:20:40,586 We want something so much, you know, we want something people want something 380 00:20:40,586 --> 00:20:42,986 so much and it's happening to all of us I'm sure we want something so 381 00:20:42,986 --> 00:20:48,516 much that we are a we are a Blurring the truth, you know what I mean? 382 00:20:49,096 --> 00:20:52,616 Like we want to so much get started So we like you say we go and we pick the first 383 00:20:52,616 --> 00:20:57,491 item that we found And, and I think this is one, like, to practice this way of 384 00:20:57,521 --> 00:21:02,581 being, like, honest with yourself or just, you know, look, look on the reality as 385 00:21:02,611 --> 00:21:06,881 is, without to, you know, look, because there is, like, cold data there, the 386 00:21:06,881 --> 00:21:10,381 data is not lying, the information is there, you know, the sales numbers are 387 00:21:10,381 --> 00:21:15,031 there, the features of your competitors are there, and the numbers that you 388 00:21:15,031 --> 00:21:17,861 get from your wholesalers are there, so just follow this, I would say this is 389 00:21:17,871 --> 00:21:19,281 the most important thing, follow this. 390 00:21:20,181 --> 00:21:23,731 And then it's become as simple as we just discussed, you know, but make 391 00:21:23,731 --> 00:21:27,821 sure, and I'm saying to everyone, make sure you're, you stick to hard facts 392 00:21:28,311 --> 00:21:29,591 and you're not blaring the truth. 393 00:21:29,591 --> 00:21:32,671 You're not like overexciting yourself about something that 394 00:21:32,731 --> 00:21:34,091 is not as good as you think. 395 00:21:34,701 --> 00:21:38,081 So this, I would say, one of the main reasons people are failing. 396 00:21:38,351 --> 00:21:41,271 This is in everything in life, you know, like I can tell about 397 00:21:41,271 --> 00:21:43,881 myself in my business, I take it to a different direction. 398 00:21:44,311 --> 00:21:48,141 When we, when we are hiring people, you know, and I can tell you how many times 399 00:21:48,141 --> 00:21:52,311 in the beginning of my, of, of, in the first three years of the company, how many 400 00:21:52,311 --> 00:21:58,431 times I've hired people, expect, hope that they will be much better than they can 401 00:21:58,441 --> 00:21:59,761 actually can be, you know what I mean? 402 00:21:59,811 --> 00:22:03,451 Like, they are not professional in something, and I hope they can become 403 00:22:03,461 --> 00:22:06,831 professional in it, and I take them with this hope, but nothing has happened, you 404 00:22:06,831 --> 00:22:08,321 know, so it's the same with products. 405 00:22:08,871 --> 00:22:10,311 Just stick to hard facts. 406 00:22:10,741 --> 00:22:13,791 Other tricks, um, I would say is... 407 00:22:14,741 --> 00:22:18,331 This is, this is more technical, is when you go into a new niche, you want 408 00:22:18,331 --> 00:22:21,691 to, you are going, you wanna go into new, like find a new products to sell. 409 00:22:22,101 --> 00:22:23,751 So let's say you start with a niche, right? 410 00:22:24,471 --> 00:22:30,741 So try to see who is the new, the, the new sellers who manage to rank high on 411 00:22:30,741 --> 00:22:37,861 this niche or new sellers who manage to outperform results of, of, uh, Experience 412 00:22:37,871 --> 00:22:41,961 sellers, because then it means, first, they just listed their items lately. 413 00:22:42,571 --> 00:22:45,741 Second, they did something very right, because they come into a new market. 414 00:22:45,741 --> 00:22:47,161 It's a very competitive market, right? 415 00:22:47,486 --> 00:22:47,826 yeah, 416 00:22:47,841 --> 00:22:50,471 are sellers with hundreds of thousands of feedbacks on their 417 00:22:50,471 --> 00:22:52,381 store, or with products that sold. 418 00:22:53,116 --> 00:22:56,916 With thousands of reviews, but they're still, just got started, just 419 00:22:56,916 --> 00:22:59,866 said 100, 200 reviews, but they're still ranking on the first page. 420 00:22:59,916 --> 00:23:00,646 How they do it. 421 00:23:00,866 --> 00:23:01,906 I want to learn from them. 422 00:23:02,426 --> 00:23:06,226 I don't want to learn from the one with the 100, 000 reviews 423 00:23:06,236 --> 00:23:08,906 that are already in the market for 20 years or 10 years or 5 years. 424 00:23:09,416 --> 00:23:13,296 He already built a very strong reputation, you know, the algorithm of the marketplace 425 00:23:13,536 --> 00:23:15,576 is selling, whether it's Amazon or eBay. 426 00:23:16,131 --> 00:23:17,671 Like him already, like them already. 427 00:23:18,131 --> 00:23:21,411 But the new one who just list his item in the last 4 5 months and 428 00:23:21,411 --> 00:23:22,571 he's already ranking to the top. 429 00:23:22,591 --> 00:23:23,301 Why can't he be different? 430 00:23:24,056 --> 00:23:24,476 yeah, 431 00:23:24,971 --> 00:23:25,361 his work, you know. 432 00:23:25,721 --> 00:23:29,631 And then see, maybe, like you say, he worked on a better product. 433 00:23:29,701 --> 00:23:32,521 Maybe he had something different in the SEO. 434 00:23:32,811 --> 00:23:35,771 And then when I'm going to bring a new product, I'm going to try to compete 435 00:23:35,771 --> 00:23:38,971 him because he has less reputation. 436 00:23:39,151 --> 00:23:40,241 It will be easier for me to compete. 437 00:23:40,906 --> 00:23:42,096 Someone with less reputation. 438 00:23:42,536 --> 00:23:46,736 So this is a trick that worked for me on eBay a lot, and this is about eBay. 439 00:23:47,226 --> 00:23:52,266 About, if you want to touch also Shopify or selling on your own store, I would 440 00:23:52,266 --> 00:23:56,476 say, where you need to drive traffic, I would say it's a bit different because 441 00:23:56,836 --> 00:24:01,646 there is the wow element that on a marketplace you don't really need it. 442 00:24:01,706 --> 00:24:05,236 On a marketplace you look for Products that people are searching for. 443 00:24:05,946 --> 00:24:11,046 you sell on your own website, if you are not just using Google Shopping for 444 00:24:11,086 --> 00:24:15,146 ads, but you also want to run video ads on Facebook or other platforms, your 445 00:24:15,356 --> 00:24:17,276 product needs to have a wow effect. 446 00:24:17,316 --> 00:24:19,846 It needs to make people stop the scroll and look. 447 00:24:19,846 --> 00:24:20,796 It's a different environment. 448 00:24:21,326 --> 00:24:25,946 And I see a lot of people that, uh, when they go, they start their own store. 449 00:24:26,756 --> 00:24:30,986 And they, and they, doing research, they stick to the stats, they see, 450 00:24:30,986 --> 00:24:34,666 yes, it has a lot of demand, but they're missing this important element, 451 00:24:35,176 --> 00:24:35,626 yeah, 452 00:24:36,026 --> 00:24:40,036 you can't sell on, on Facebook or Facebook ads or TikTok if 453 00:24:40,036 --> 00:24:42,116 your product is not interesting, if you're not a scroll stalker. 454 00:24:43,426 --> 00:24:44,466 yeah, no totally. 455 00:24:45,386 --> 00:24:49,896 Well, again, a lot there, let's just rewind a little bit. 456 00:24:50,476 --> 00:24:52,726 So let's go back to the mindset, the blurring of the 457 00:24:52,726 --> 00:24:54,136 truth, which made me smile. 458 00:24:54,486 --> 00:24:58,746 This idea of self awareness, because I think it's very true. 459 00:24:58,766 --> 00:25:01,876 Or there's a truism which feels very true, and that is... 460 00:25:02,076 --> 00:25:06,906 We lie mostly to ourselves as human beings, you know, where if 461 00:25:06,906 --> 00:25:09,306 we're going to lie to anybody, it tends to be more to ourselves. 462 00:25:09,946 --> 00:25:12,416 Um, and that's true in business. 463 00:25:12,416 --> 00:25:13,516 That's true emotionally. 464 00:25:13,566 --> 00:25:13,946 That's true. 465 00:25:13,956 --> 00:25:17,286 Whatever it is, you know, that sort of that aha moment where you wake up and 466 00:25:17,286 --> 00:25:20,436 go, actually, what I've been thinking and believing is entirely not true. 467 00:25:21,166 --> 00:25:21,356 Yes. 468 00:25:21,356 --> 00:25:21,476 Yeah. 469 00:25:21,606 --> 00:25:26,806 Um, and one of the things that I've, I've noticed in, uh, with people that start 470 00:25:26,806 --> 00:25:31,846 out is they start up with a product or an idea and they get one or two sales. 471 00:25:32,311 --> 00:25:39,561 Um, which excites them, but that one or two sales tends to come from their mum. 472 00:25:41,051 --> 00:25:41,581 you know what I mean? 473 00:25:42,341 --> 00:25:45,381 And it's like, and so as you were talking, I was, I was writing down 474 00:25:45,381 --> 00:25:46,381 and going, that's actually true. 475 00:25:46,381 --> 00:25:48,181 It's like, how much do you listen to your mum? 476 00:25:48,211 --> 00:25:50,521 Because your mum's always probably going to tell you you're amazing 477 00:25:50,521 --> 00:25:53,791 and you can change the world because that's what mums do, right? 478 00:25:53,821 --> 00:25:55,281 They're just amazing people. 479 00:25:55,911 --> 00:26:00,461 Um, but I think one of the ways to. 480 00:26:00,951 --> 00:26:07,261 Uh, shift that mindset to stop blurring the truth that I've found is actually 481 00:26:07,261 --> 00:26:16,001 to go and get a good mentor, um, someone who is not, um, opposed to speaking the 482 00:26:16,001 --> 00:26:21,661 truth in love, as we like to say, speak the truth in love, um, but someone who 483 00:26:21,671 --> 00:26:23,711 is not opposed to speaking the truth. 484 00:26:23,751 --> 00:26:24,411 And that's. 485 00:26:24,736 --> 00:26:26,166 That's actually quite helpful. 486 00:26:26,186 --> 00:26:30,116 So if you've, I don't know if you've done this in your career, but, but, 487 00:26:30,166 --> 00:26:33,916 um, done that thing where you've had an idea where you've had a thought, 488 00:26:34,196 --> 00:26:38,606 you're excited by it, do you sense check with people what you're thinking? 489 00:26:38,656 --> 00:26:41,616 Or have you just, every time you've just gone for it and it's 490 00:26:41,656 --> 00:26:42,796 either worked out or failed? 491 00:26:43,616 --> 00:26:44,276 absolutely. 492 00:26:44,276 --> 00:26:45,736 A mentor is very important. 493 00:26:45,736 --> 00:26:49,486 I actually have a very personal story about it from my real estate career. 494 00:26:49,966 --> 00:26:53,116 It would be great to share it, but I would say it's not just 495 00:26:53,116 --> 00:26:54,176 having a mentor, it's also... 496 00:26:54,801 --> 00:26:58,091 Once you decide for the mentor you want to go, it's following your 497 00:26:58,091 --> 00:27:02,011 mentor blindly, you know, like trust him blindly because if we will doubt 498 00:27:02,021 --> 00:27:05,281 everything and we will not follow what this experienced person tell us to do, 499 00:27:05,541 --> 00:27:08,851 we will never be able to determine if his advice were good or not, you know. 500 00:27:09,196 --> 00:27:09,546 Mm hmm. 501 00:27:09,711 --> 00:27:14,041 in the beginning when we get started is just about like, I would say 502 00:27:14,141 --> 00:27:15,561 the best ways to start with mentor. 503 00:27:15,561 --> 00:27:18,081 I always share my, my ideas with other people. 504 00:27:18,751 --> 00:27:21,861 And I can say that when I started my real estate career, I 505 00:27:21,881 --> 00:27:23,441 joined this office in Tel Aviv. 506 00:27:24,191 --> 00:27:27,491 In the first month, I was working like crazy, and I didn't make any results. 507 00:27:28,631 --> 00:27:34,541 And the boss, he came to me and he told me like, Look, Nahar, you're 508 00:27:34,571 --> 00:27:38,431 working very hard, I think your name, because you work with people, 509 00:27:38,441 --> 00:27:40,071 your name is a bit problematic. 510 00:27:40,111 --> 00:27:43,941 It's pretty unique, and it's sometimes hard for people to pronounce it. 511 00:27:44,351 --> 00:27:46,281 I think you should work with the name Niro. 512 00:27:46,951 --> 00:27:49,921 This is what he said, you call yourself Niro, from now on you work as Niro. 513 00:27:50,771 --> 00:27:52,391 I looked at him like upset, like what? 514 00:27:52,711 --> 00:27:54,101 Why did he want me to change my name? 515 00:27:54,241 --> 00:27:55,051 Where is the connection? 516 00:27:56,471 --> 00:27:57,441 I went back home. 517 00:27:57,651 --> 00:27:59,001 I told him I would think about it. 518 00:27:59,031 --> 00:28:03,851 The guy there, the guy I arrived in my building, there was an older guy walking 519 00:28:03,861 --> 00:28:06,881 there on a, on a laundry, laundromat. 520 00:28:07,671 --> 00:28:09,051 And he's telling me like, what happened? 521 00:28:09,201 --> 00:28:09,911 Why you look upset? 522 00:28:09,911 --> 00:28:13,371 And I'm telling him, yeah, my boss, after one month, I'm walking like crazy. 523 00:28:13,371 --> 00:28:16,121 He's coming to me and he's telling me that I need to change my name. 524 00:28:16,141 --> 00:28:17,241 What is the problem with my name? 525 00:28:17,631 --> 00:28:19,691 He looked at me and he asked me, how many years this guy 526 00:28:19,691 --> 00:28:21,171 is in real estate, your boss? 527 00:28:21,241 --> 00:28:22,921 I told him like 30, 40 years. 528 00:28:23,271 --> 00:28:26,451 He told me a guy with 40 years of experience, give you the advice. 529 00:28:27,036 --> 00:28:30,916 And you doubt if to take this advice or not, you have nothing to lose. 530 00:28:31,046 --> 00:28:33,956 This guy has 40 years of experience, you have one month's experience. 531 00:28:33,966 --> 00:28:34,496 Try it out. 532 00:28:34,976 --> 00:28:38,936 And I went back and I said, I'm going to do it, I'm going to be Niro from now. 533 00:28:39,716 --> 00:28:43,786 And six months later I was one of the top agents in the office. 534 00:28:45,096 --> 00:28:50,316 And I take this lesson for myself that I say, and I say to everyone else, if you 535 00:28:50,336 --> 00:28:52,046 have a mentor with a lot of experience, 536 00:28:52,206 --> 00:28:52,651 Mm hmm. 537 00:28:54,216 --> 00:28:57,206 first of all, put the research, you know, put the effort to find a good mentor. 538 00:28:57,246 --> 00:29:00,006 Second of all, trust this guy blindly. 539 00:29:00,166 --> 00:29:01,356 Do everything he say. 540 00:29:01,676 --> 00:29:04,456 Give it a, you know, you can give it like four months, five months, six 541 00:29:04,456 --> 00:29:08,476 months, a period of test, testing period where you're trying out his advice. 542 00:29:09,236 --> 00:29:12,596 Be fully committed to it because if you're not going to be fully committed, 543 00:29:12,766 --> 00:29:16,566 you will never know if the advice is actually going to work or not. 544 00:29:16,566 --> 00:29:16,946 Yeah. 545 00:29:17,281 --> 00:29:22,981 yeah, powerful stuff, powerful, and, uh, uh, it's, it's interesting the, 546 00:29:22,991 --> 00:29:26,291 the name change story, uh, that I'll, I'll remember that, that, that'll 547 00:29:26,301 --> 00:29:27,821 stick with me, that'll stick with me. 548 00:29:28,431 --> 00:29:33,621 So get a mentor, don't ask your mum, um, and avoid the blurring of the truth 549 00:29:33,631 --> 00:29:37,321 mindset, which I, I, I still, you know, stop telling yourself lies, basically. 550 00:29:37,566 --> 00:29:38,489 yes, yes, yes. 551 00:29:38,811 --> 00:29:43,081 And then you talked about, uh, niching down and I, one of the things that you 552 00:29:43,081 --> 00:29:46,711 mentioned here I want to come circle back on cause I thought it was fascinating. 553 00:29:46,711 --> 00:29:50,751 You don't just want to look at the guys that have been successful for 20 years. 554 00:29:51,481 --> 00:29:54,831 You really want to do a deep dive on the guys that have been successful in the 555 00:29:54,831 --> 00:29:56,621 last few weeks or the last few months. 556 00:29:57,371 --> 00:30:01,831 Because, they've not got the reputation to rely on, they've had 557 00:30:01,841 --> 00:30:06,661 to do something tactical to get to quite a high place in the rankings or 558 00:30:06,661 --> 00:30:07,871 in the sales numbers, haven't they? 559 00:30:08,521 --> 00:30:12,671 Um, so how do you, I mean, and I think that's brilliant advice, 560 00:30:12,811 --> 00:30:14,341 I think that's very top advice. 561 00:30:14,571 --> 00:30:20,256 Um, I guess, how do you, um, How do you extrapolate that backwards? 562 00:30:20,266 --> 00:30:23,636 How do you analyze the somebody that's just sort of appeared out of nowhere? 563 00:30:23,636 --> 00:30:25,276 What sort of things are you looking for? 564 00:30:26,006 --> 00:30:29,786 So I would, I, I always, in eBay's you can always filter by feedbacks, 565 00:30:29,786 --> 00:30:31,166 how many feedbacks the store have. 566 00:30:31,171 --> 00:30:35,556 If the, if the store have just 100 feedbacks is and is ranking on 567 00:30:35,556 --> 00:30:39,266 the first page is pretty new, you know, so in eBay you can determine 568 00:30:39,266 --> 00:30:40,856 by the feedbacks on Amazon. 569 00:30:40,856 --> 00:30:44,246 You can also determine by reviews if the product have, if everyone else have like 570 00:30:44,696 --> 00:30:49,716 20,000 reviews, 10,000 reviews, and this product have like one 500 reviews, 200 571 00:30:49,716 --> 00:30:54,826 reviews, or even less, then it's, this is your, your sign, you know, so, So this 572 00:30:54,826 --> 00:31:00,076 is what I'm doing first, then what I'm trying to do is I'm looking on this new 573 00:31:00,096 --> 00:31:03,816 guy and I'm looking on those experienced guys and I try to see what difference. 574 00:31:04,736 --> 00:31:06,416 Usually you find something that is different. 575 00:31:07,076 --> 00:31:11,226 Maybe the images are better, the title is a bit, his target different 576 00:31:11,226 --> 00:31:16,186 keyword in the title or um, I try to, like investigating, you know, 577 00:31:16,196 --> 00:31:18,196 looking for clues, what's different. 578 00:31:18,266 --> 00:31:20,451 And then you, most of the time you find something different. 579 00:31:20,966 --> 00:31:21,336 Yeah. 580 00:31:21,481 --> 00:31:24,701 of the time, I would say 95% of the time, you will find that they do something 581 00:31:24,701 --> 00:31:29,451 different here, whether it is the price, the images, the product, the SEO. 582 00:31:31,096 --> 00:31:31,386 Yeah. 583 00:31:31,436 --> 00:31:32,746 No, very, very good. 584 00:31:32,786 --> 00:31:33,376 I like that. 585 00:31:33,556 --> 00:31:37,606 Uh, so find the new competitors and, and realize that they're your competition. 586 00:31:37,606 --> 00:31:38,656 I thought that was also good. 587 00:31:38,656 --> 00:31:42,826 You know, competing with somebody that's been around for, uh, for 20 years is much 588 00:31:42,826 --> 00:31:46,026 more complicated than being competing with a guy that's doing well after 589 00:31:46,026 --> 00:31:48,426 a couple of months and I like that. 590 00:31:48,526 --> 00:31:52,036 Um, I think that's a really interesting, uh, statement. 591 00:31:52,066 --> 00:31:52,386 Okay. 592 00:31:52,386 --> 00:31:53,786 So we've got the mindset, we've got the niche. 593 00:31:53,786 --> 00:31:56,516 We're going to come to the wow element you mentioned, because again, 594 00:31:56,516 --> 00:31:58,056 I was smiling when you said this. 595 00:31:58,966 --> 00:32:01,616 I'm going back to the guy that's selling sunglasses off 596 00:32:01,786 --> 00:32:03,516 Aliexpress that no one's buying. 597 00:32:04,846 --> 00:32:09,146 And it's because his website actually puts people off rather than makes 598 00:32:09,146 --> 00:32:14,086 people go, Oh my goodness, I need to, but there's no wow aspects of that. 599 00:32:14,786 --> 00:32:19,551 So how do you And you talked about having wow in product as a product 600 00:32:19,561 --> 00:32:22,841 that actually stops on the, you know, stops the Facebook feed, is something 601 00:32:22,841 --> 00:32:26,341 different, something unique, or it's marketed in a slightly interesting 602 00:32:26,341 --> 00:32:29,881 way, or it's, the image is quite, it's just, it's going to help you stop. 603 00:32:31,211 --> 00:32:34,781 What um, what sort of elements do you think we need to 604 00:32:34,791 --> 00:32:37,091 look at to deliver that wow? 605 00:32:38,591 --> 00:32:38,861 yeah. 606 00:32:38,861 --> 00:32:40,701 So there, I will break it into two groups. 607 00:32:40,741 --> 00:32:44,141 There is one group of problems, so there are some serious problems people have. 608 00:32:44,681 --> 00:32:47,301 And if you solve their problem, I mean, this is the best, wow. 609 00:32:47,301 --> 00:32:52,031 So, if you see a lot of very successful products on Facebook ads, are products 610 00:32:52,041 --> 00:32:59,461 to solve back pain, or, or, uh, uh, clean ears, or do all these, uh, a bit 611 00:32:59,511 --> 00:33:03,041 disgusting things, you know, because, you know, people have this problem sitting 612 00:33:03,041 --> 00:33:06,971 all day on the computer, and that suddenly they sit, how, how they sit straight, or 613 00:33:07,281 --> 00:33:09,341 people have some certain type of disease. 614 00:33:09,581 --> 00:33:11,151 This is a very successful product as well. 615 00:33:11,576 --> 00:33:14,726 This hand massager, you know, I was asking myself, why this 616 00:33:14,726 --> 00:33:16,146 hand massager is so successful? 617 00:33:17,186 --> 00:33:20,816 Like what's, and then I read through the descriptions of the ads and I see 618 00:33:20,816 --> 00:33:24,496 like, it's solved, it's helping to like, there's like four or five different 619 00:33:24,806 --> 00:33:28,556 diseases that this hand massager solved. 620 00:33:28,626 --> 00:33:32,846 So it's, it's wow effect for these people with this, uh, disease because 621 00:33:32,866 --> 00:33:36,446 they have huge pain in their hand and now they can relax this pain with some 622 00:33:36,446 --> 00:33:37,976 nice massage, you know, for example. 623 00:33:38,746 --> 00:33:41,136 Another thing is just like, um, um. 624 00:33:42,911 --> 00:33:47,141 You know, like, uh, all the gadgets, uh, things that, like, just, like, 625 00:33:47,151 --> 00:33:51,771 very, like, wow, I want to have this, uh, uh, color changing necklace, or 626 00:33:51,771 --> 00:33:55,701 this, uh, amazing gadget that open beers or open wines, or, you know 627 00:33:55,701 --> 00:33:57,181 what I mean, all these kind of things. 628 00:33:57,441 --> 00:33:58,641 So these are the two things. 629 00:33:58,821 --> 00:34:03,451 And I will add a third, third genre, third category, this is more seasonal. 630 00:34:04,031 --> 00:34:09,041 So, you know, you use the demand in specific season to give people 631 00:34:09,041 --> 00:34:10,271 what they want, and then it just... 632 00:34:10,866 --> 00:34:15,026 Halloween is a great month for, for wow effect products because all, every 633 00:34:15,046 --> 00:34:18,496 product, every costume can be wow, you know what I mean, like it's, this 634 00:34:18,496 --> 00:34:23,126 is what it is, and then also people in need for it, so you use both, but 635 00:34:23,126 --> 00:34:26,736 yeah, it's looking for things that just making people stop and look, basically. 636 00:34:27,821 --> 00:34:31,111 Fantastic, very, very true, very true. 637 00:34:31,121 --> 00:34:37,241 So, um, we've got somebody then who's got a product, uh, they're selling 638 00:34:37,601 --> 00:34:39,141 because, you know, we've validated demand. 639 00:34:39,141 --> 00:34:40,241 We're doing something different. 640 00:34:40,601 --> 00:34:42,671 We've analyzed our competitors. 641 00:34:42,671 --> 00:34:45,011 We we've done some, we're up there on the rankings. 642 00:34:45,011 --> 00:34:46,311 We're growing, we're developing. 643 00:34:47,291 --> 00:34:51,671 What are some of the problems that you have seen, some of the challenges, 644 00:34:51,701 --> 00:34:58,601 maybe, that scaling businesses have found, so that, you know, you do get 645 00:34:58,601 --> 00:35:02,241 these companies that hit a vein and it just starts to take off, doesn't 646 00:35:02,241 --> 00:35:03,601 it, and they start to do well. 647 00:35:04,291 --> 00:35:06,801 But that's only the first problem, now we've got to scale it, now 648 00:35:06,801 --> 00:35:08,191 we've got to grow effectively. 649 00:35:08,191 --> 00:35:11,161 What are some of the things that you've seen there, some of the obstacles, 650 00:35:11,161 --> 00:35:12,981 maybe, that we need to overcome? 651 00:35:13,616 --> 00:35:16,356 So yeah, it's a great topic as well, and I will talk about it in general 652 00:35:16,376 --> 00:35:21,626 first, because this is something that we realized in the last six years, since 653 00:35:21,626 --> 00:35:26,316 we started with Zik, and we started to look, you know, into how the users are 654 00:35:26,336 --> 00:35:29,956 doing, who is becoming successful, who is not, who is able to move through 655 00:35:29,956 --> 00:35:34,296 the first step of getting started to becoming profitable, from breaking even 656 00:35:34,296 --> 00:35:37,936 to becoming profitable, and who has managed to scale from being profitable 657 00:35:37,966 --> 00:35:41,996 to actually financial independence, to actually, you know, like, turn it into 658 00:35:41,996 --> 00:35:43,786 full time business, making a lot of money. 659 00:35:44,276 --> 00:35:48,406 And we realized that these are three key steps in the e commerce journey 660 00:35:48,716 --> 00:35:53,216 when you first break even, cover your cost, then when you, you, uh, 661 00:35:53,326 --> 00:35:58,146 become profitable, and then when you, uh, achieve financial independence. 662 00:35:58,156 --> 00:35:58,486 So 663 00:35:58,526 --> 00:35:58,926 Right. 664 00:35:59,526 --> 00:36:02,986 the hardest part I would say is, is break even, it's covering your cost. 665 00:36:03,036 --> 00:36:03,386 Why? 666 00:36:03,896 --> 00:36:07,996 Because you come, you have no information, you have no knowledge, no experience, that 667 00:36:08,146 --> 00:36:09,526 you are going through the learning curve. 668 00:36:09,976 --> 00:36:14,696 Uh, there is, uh, online, e commerce, the first few months we don't see much result. 669 00:36:15,091 --> 00:36:16,751 And sometimes it's hard to continue, right? 670 00:36:16,751 --> 00:36:18,641 Without a series of, you don't get the feedback. 671 00:36:19,041 --> 00:36:22,411 We used to get feedback from our mom, as you say, like, you do good, 672 00:36:22,411 --> 00:36:23,541 you do bad, like, we get feedback. 673 00:36:23,551 --> 00:36:24,501 Here, you don't have feedback. 674 00:36:24,661 --> 00:36:26,351 Here, you don't make sales, right? 675 00:36:26,351 --> 00:36:33,071 So, so, but we know, what we've seen is that 90% of the people who manage 676 00:36:33,071 --> 00:36:34,901 to break even, also become profitable. 677 00:36:36,841 --> 00:36:40,911 And then, the last part of scaling, and there is a lot of people who are 678 00:36:40,921 --> 00:36:43,271 getting stuck in the profitable stage. 679 00:36:43,471 --> 00:36:43,961 A lot of people. 680 00:36:44,511 --> 00:36:49,686 They make 2, 000, 3, 000 per month, But they are not able to scale, like you say. 681 00:36:50,186 --> 00:36:54,406 So what I, what, what, the way we approach it, the way today I see 682 00:36:54,406 --> 00:36:58,836 it, and we realized it just in the last, like, one and a half, one year 683 00:36:58,846 --> 00:37:02,996 after analyzing six years of data, is that every stage needs to have a 684 00:37:02,996 --> 00:37:05,656 different strategy, different approach. 685 00:37:05,666 --> 00:37:11,326 So it's, it's very technically, like, pricing strategy, um, uh, review, 686 00:37:11,546 --> 00:37:15,816 uh, communication strategy with the, with the people, with the buyers, uh, 687 00:37:15,856 --> 00:37:17,686 the type of products you start with. 688 00:37:18,216 --> 00:37:20,106 Also aligned to how much you can invest. 689 00:37:20,576 --> 00:37:26,056 And then when it comes to scaling, first you need to have the foundation, 690 00:37:26,356 --> 00:37:31,246 that you are able to get enough stock, you have enough cash flow. 691 00:37:31,556 --> 00:37:32,776 This is when you buy one stock. 692 00:37:32,776 --> 00:37:33,026 So, 693 00:37:33,276 --> 00:37:33,626 Yeah. 694 00:37:34,386 --> 00:37:37,246 I would say a lot of people are not able to scale because they're stuck 695 00:37:37,276 --> 00:37:38,776 on this, they're stuck on cash flow. 696 00:37:39,186 --> 00:37:42,876 Other suppliers cannot provide them enough stock, or it's too complicated to 697 00:37:42,876 --> 00:37:44,546 produce the quantity of items they need. 698 00:37:45,356 --> 00:37:50,916 I can say about, for example, my sister has a dress, She's selling dresses, she 699 00:37:50,916 --> 00:37:56,726 has a brand for women's dresses, and she has struggled with scaling the quantities 700 00:37:57,716 --> 00:38:01,356 because of production, so this, so in advance you should pick product, you 701 00:38:02,406 --> 00:38:05,286 shouldn't put effort into product, you're going to have problems with production. 702 00:38:05,526 --> 00:38:06,326 This is number one. 703 00:38:06,926 --> 00:38:10,476 Number two is about your profit margins, so if you have a very low profit 704 00:38:10,516 --> 00:38:13,746 margins, it would be very hard to scale without taking a loan from the bank, 705 00:38:13,966 --> 00:38:15,466 because how can you cover your costs? 706 00:38:16,036 --> 00:38:16,306 Mm. 707 00:38:16,656 --> 00:38:20,226 Oh, you need to get money out of your pocket, you know, the profit that you 708 00:38:20,226 --> 00:38:22,936 generate is not enough to, to bring stock. 709 00:38:23,256 --> 00:38:28,646 And the last one I would say is, um, is, it's coming from 710 00:38:28,736 --> 00:38:30,386 where to focus your energy. 711 00:38:30,846 --> 00:38:35,056 This is, again, we're going back to the same things with, you know, being honest 712 00:38:35,056 --> 00:38:40,996 with yourself, like see the truth, see the facts, is we have this issue, like 713 00:38:41,026 --> 00:38:45,221 people, everyone have this issue of I have to finish what I started with. 714 00:38:45,221 --> 00:38:46,431 You know this? 715 00:38:46,541 --> 00:38:48,841 Like, I started with, I launched this new product. 716 00:38:49,251 --> 00:38:50,151 It's doing great. 717 00:38:50,221 --> 00:38:51,251 I'm already profitable. 718 00:38:52,341 --> 00:38:55,261 But I'm not going to give up until this product is going to sell 20, 000 times. 719 00:38:55,501 --> 00:38:57,431 Or until I'm going to make 101 million. 720 00:38:57,441 --> 00:38:58,911 And then they get stuck on this product. 721 00:38:59,181 --> 00:39:00,551 All their energy goes to this product. 722 00:39:00,991 --> 00:39:02,841 While with all their knowledge they have. 723 00:39:03,201 --> 00:39:05,771 All the experience they have, they could go and launch another product 724 00:39:06,051 --> 00:39:09,651 that have much more potential because of the niche, because of, you know, 725 00:39:09,651 --> 00:39:11,391 like, many of these kind of things. 726 00:39:11,391 --> 00:39:14,521 So, I think that in this stage, in this stage of profitability, when 727 00:39:14,521 --> 00:39:17,761 you have one successful product, you need to really create a list. 728 00:39:18,991 --> 00:39:23,191 I have the, I, I call this, I, we developed an algorithm in the, in the 729 00:39:23,251 --> 00:39:27,381 company, a strategy of prioritization in the company, where you have, uh, 730 00:39:27,381 --> 00:39:29,651 uh, impact, you have three columns. 731 00:39:29,681 --> 00:39:33,171 So every, every idea, get three ideas, three, three columns, 732 00:39:33,566 --> 00:39:34,236 Mm hmm. 733 00:39:34,691 --> 00:39:35,971 time to impact, and effort. 734 00:39:37,941 --> 00:39:41,631 So take, you know, take you, what I suggest to people that in this stage, 735 00:39:42,351 --> 00:39:44,951 create a Google Sheet, put your first product that is already live. 736 00:39:45,466 --> 00:39:46,306 It's live, right? 737 00:39:46,576 --> 00:39:47,556 I want to scale it now. 738 00:39:47,586 --> 00:39:51,566 The goal is to scale it to, uh, I don't know, 100, 000 739 00:39:51,646 --> 00:39:53,136 revenue or 200, 000 revenue. 740 00:39:53,516 --> 00:39:53,766 Yeah. 741 00:39:54,416 --> 00:39:55,096 Can I do it? 742 00:39:55,176 --> 00:39:56,306 Can this product get there? 743 00:39:56,366 --> 00:39:56,736 Yes. 744 00:39:56,766 --> 00:39:58,116 What is the time to impact? 745 00:40:00,116 --> 00:40:02,136 Then you can say, like, what we do, we have, like, medium 746 00:40:02,246 --> 00:40:04,206 levels, like high, medium, low. 747 00:40:04,206 --> 00:40:07,416 So, uh, impact is high. 748 00:40:07,426 --> 00:40:10,646 Yes, I theoretically can get this product to 100, 000, right? 749 00:40:11,686 --> 00:40:12,046 Time to impact? 750 00:40:12,606 --> 00:40:15,536 Then you're trying to understand, okay, I need enough stock, I need 751 00:40:15,586 --> 00:40:17,846 enough for it to spend on PPC. 752 00:40:18,171 --> 00:40:21,951 So, I need, let's say, the competition is XYZ, I need six 753 00:40:21,951 --> 00:40:23,131 months to get there, right? 754 00:40:23,541 --> 00:40:27,741 And effort, how much money I need to spend now, for on this product? 755 00:40:27,851 --> 00:40:32,941 I need to buy more stock, uh, I need to spend more in PPC, or, uh, I need 756 00:40:32,971 --> 00:40:36,901 to, uh, To, uh, also spend time on it. 757 00:40:37,281 --> 00:40:38,391 Now, this is one. 758 00:40:38,401 --> 00:40:39,421 Then you put more ideas. 759 00:40:39,421 --> 00:40:40,461 You cannot have one idea. 760 00:40:40,531 --> 00:40:42,491 It's, it's not possible to do this comparison with one. 761 00:40:42,911 --> 00:40:44,661 Then you want to compare it to other products. 762 00:40:44,731 --> 00:40:47,771 You want to see, okay, if I go and start new products, this product in 763 00:40:47,771 --> 00:40:49,221 a niche that it can get to 2 million. 764 00:40:50,001 --> 00:40:53,291 So I can put the same effort, the same money on this new product, 765 00:40:54,271 --> 00:40:55,891 but the potential is 10 times more. 766 00:40:55,921 --> 00:40:59,551 So why should I invest in, why should I fight my first product, try to scale 767 00:40:59,581 --> 00:41:04,471 it, if the maximum of this niche is just 200, 000, while another one is 2 million. 768 00:41:05,836 --> 00:41:06,116 Right. 769 00:41:06,486 --> 00:41:11,136 And then it's just to be able to say, okay, this is generating great revenue for 770 00:41:11,136 --> 00:41:13,006 me, but I'm going to test new products. 771 00:41:13,016 --> 00:41:16,626 So I would say this is the main, this is where people get stuck 772 00:41:16,626 --> 00:41:18,606 the most on their prioritization. 773 00:41:19,246 --> 00:41:25,446 That's really, yeah, I can see what you're saying and I, I, I, and I, I 774 00:41:25,456 --> 00:41:28,656 get how that would make, especially on platforms like Amazon and eBay. 775 00:41:29,121 --> 00:41:32,301 You know, and, and that would, that would make an awful lot of sense to me. 776 00:41:32,301 --> 00:41:37,591 And I like your impact, time to impact and effort, uh, model. 777 00:41:37,621 --> 00:41:40,381 I think that's a really, three really interesting questions. 778 00:41:40,381 --> 00:41:42,761 What's the impact, what's the time to impact and how much is 779 00:41:42,761 --> 00:41:43,681 it going to take to get there? 780 00:41:44,371 --> 00:41:47,641 Um, a really good questions. 781 00:41:47,731 --> 00:41:54,641 Um, and yeah, I can see how that, so is that, is that if I'm, I'm just. 782 00:41:55,446 --> 00:41:57,646 I'm thinking slightly sideways here, Nahar, I'm not gonna lie. 783 00:41:57,976 --> 00:42:03,916 Um, but if I'm, uh, wanting to set up a business and focus on eBay as my 784 00:42:03,916 --> 00:42:09,016 main sales channel, for example, is that a good winning strategy to take? 785 00:42:09,016 --> 00:42:12,856 It's like, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna find some, I'm gonna find a product, 786 00:42:13,266 --> 00:42:16,626 but I'm not gonna just focus on that one product I'm gonna learn and I'm 787 00:42:16,626 --> 00:42:21,996 gonna be continually introducing, uh, uh, you know, products at 788 00:42:21,996 --> 00:42:23,916 a, at a fairly reasonable pace. 789 00:42:24,926 --> 00:42:25,186 Yeah. 790 00:42:25,186 --> 00:42:27,256 I would say in eBay, it's the most important to list. 791 00:42:27,466 --> 00:42:29,346 It's very important to list a lot of new products. 792 00:42:29,686 --> 00:42:30,696 Not like on Amazon. 793 00:42:30,786 --> 00:42:33,426 Amazon, you have huge sales velocity for one product. 794 00:42:33,876 --> 00:42:34,196 Mm 795 00:42:34,256 --> 00:42:34,856 huge demand. 796 00:42:35,276 --> 00:42:37,336 eBay, even the top products. 797 00:42:37,841 --> 00:42:42,501 Products are not, don't have, not close to how much Amazon can drive, 798 00:42:42,521 --> 00:42:43,831 how much traffic Amazon can drive. 799 00:42:44,331 --> 00:42:46,191 So you need to have a lot of products. 800 00:42:46,811 --> 00:42:51,841 For Amazon, but if we look on Amazon in this scenario, I would say the 801 00:42:51,871 --> 00:42:54,791 strategical decision I would take about products to list on Amazon is 802 00:42:54,791 --> 00:42:56,181 products that have a lot of variations. 803 00:42:56,956 --> 00:42:56,966 hmm. 804 00:42:56,976 --> 00:42:57,266 Mm 805 00:42:57,771 --> 00:43:00,681 if I get into products with a lot of variations, I get 806 00:43:00,681 --> 00:43:02,031 in one product, ten products. 807 00:43:03,131 --> 00:43:07,701 So, I increase the, the quantity, the traffic that I can get 808 00:43:07,721 --> 00:43:10,021 into my listing, I increase the amount of sales that I can do. 809 00:43:10,201 --> 00:43:13,171 It's much easier to scale because it's the same production line. 810 00:43:13,571 --> 00:43:17,051 It's much easier to scale because it's the same supplier, you know, so I would 811 00:43:17,051 --> 00:43:21,641 suggest to people to go, if it's Amazon, go on Variations, look for niches that, 812 00:43:21,641 --> 00:43:25,951 um, uh, you can come with different smells, different taste, different 813 00:43:25,961 --> 00:43:27,511 length, different quantities, you know. 814 00:43:27,931 --> 00:43:28,521 Stuff like this. 815 00:43:28,551 --> 00:43:29,341 Different colors. 816 00:43:29,801 --> 00:43:34,671 And if it's about eBay, just try to have a store with a couple of thousands of items. 817 00:43:35,726 --> 00:43:36,126 Wow. 818 00:43:37,276 --> 00:43:37,686 Wow. 819 00:43:37,946 --> 00:43:41,016 And built up to a couple of thousand items on eBay. 820 00:43:41,016 --> 00:43:44,376 Is it, um, I mean, let's just focus on eBay for a little minute here. 821 00:43:44,386 --> 00:43:51,176 Is eBay still a good platform to start an online business with? 822 00:43:51,336 --> 00:43:52,426 The reason I ask is... 823 00:43:52,926 --> 00:43:57,536 Again, going back to what comes up on my Instagram feed and my YouTube feed, it 824 00:43:57,536 --> 00:43:59,966 all is about start a business on Amazon. 825 00:43:59,966 --> 00:44:03,196 That's the message that you, that seems to be pumping out at the moment. 826 00:44:03,226 --> 00:44:05,946 And it's almost like people have forgotten about eBay. 827 00:44:06,496 --> 00:44:12,056 Um, which I, I, I thinking it through, obviously doesn't make a whole great 828 00:44:12,056 --> 00:44:18,841 deal of sense given eBay, but, um, Is eBay still a good, I appreciate the 829 00:44:18,841 --> 00:44:21,901 obvious answer to this Nabil, but I feel like I want to ask, you know, is 830 00:44:21,901 --> 00:44:25,511 eBay still a good platform to sort of charge, charge forward with? 831 00:44:25,931 --> 00:44:26,811 So, definitely. 832 00:44:26,811 --> 00:44:30,221 So, so, sticking to what we said in the beginning of being honest, you know, 833 00:44:30,221 --> 00:44:32,151 and like looking in the reality as is. 834 00:44:32,571 --> 00:44:35,911 Of course, that Amazon is the number one platform, no doubts, they 835 00:44:35,921 --> 00:44:38,701 have the highest amount of traffic and the highest amount of demand. 836 00:44:39,201 --> 00:44:42,661 And of course, selling on your own website, like Shopify or any other 837 00:44:42,731 --> 00:44:46,311 platform, uh, is, it has a lot of advantages as well because, uh, you know, 838 00:44:46,311 --> 00:44:47,811 you, you don't owe nothing to no one. 839 00:44:47,811 --> 00:44:49,901 You can't get your account suspended or stuff like this. 840 00:44:51,631 --> 00:44:55,201 And eBay, yes, is out of this tree, eBay is the smallest, 841 00:44:56,041 --> 00:44:57,051 the lowest amount of demand. 842 00:44:57,051 --> 00:45:01,011 But you need to ask yourself, again, what is the budgets I have? 843 00:45:01,011 --> 00:45:03,001 Do I have a lot of money to start with? 844 00:45:03,001 --> 00:45:03,551 I don't. 845 00:45:04,101 --> 00:45:05,081 And how much time I have? 846 00:45:05,081 --> 00:45:08,661 I would not go to start an Amazon business if I only have one hour per day. 847 00:45:08,911 --> 00:45:10,541 You know, like, or two hours per day. 848 00:45:10,921 --> 00:45:12,441 You're going to invest money in stock. 849 00:45:12,721 --> 00:45:15,461 I also wouldn't go to start an Amazon business if I don't have like a... 850 00:45:17,366 --> 00:45:20,076 Nice amount of capital, you know, like to be able to invest. 851 00:45:20,766 --> 00:45:26,396 So, uh, eBay is good if you start with low amount of, um, capital, 852 00:45:26,566 --> 00:45:30,526 if you don't have a lot of time, or if you want to have a quick start. 853 00:45:30,896 --> 00:45:34,866 It's also good for a quick start because you don't have all this process of 854 00:45:34,876 --> 00:45:37,916 shipping items to the warehouses and all these things that take time, you 855 00:45:37,916 --> 00:45:39,366 know, getting verified and all this. 856 00:45:40,356 --> 00:45:46,246 I would say that, of course, I think that everyone should aim to grow to the biggest 857 00:45:46,766 --> 00:45:52,791 platforms or In another way is to build your own brand and sell a multi channel. 858 00:45:54,481 --> 00:45:57,491 Also, I can say that about us as a company, about Zik Analytics, 859 00:45:57,821 --> 00:45:58,901 we are expanding right now. 860 00:45:58,901 --> 00:46:03,021 We are about to launch a rebrand and in the next three months, we're 861 00:46:03,021 --> 00:46:06,521 about to launch Amazon and Shopify features because we understand, you 862 00:46:06,521 --> 00:46:07,851 know, this is where the market goes. 863 00:46:08,251 --> 00:46:08,701 Right. 864 00:46:09,206 --> 00:46:13,196 the biggest, these are the biggest marketplaces, and we also committed, 865 00:46:13,606 --> 00:46:16,896 you know, to the people to give them the best opportunities. 866 00:46:17,156 --> 00:46:19,746 I cannot come here and say, yeah, you know, eBay is the best 867 00:46:19,746 --> 00:46:22,476 because we are right now offering only analytics tools for eBay. 868 00:46:22,786 --> 00:46:26,656 I would say to any person that have capital and have the time to go and 869 00:46:26,666 --> 00:46:27,916 aim for the biggest marketplaces. 870 00:46:28,256 --> 00:46:29,466 No, no questions allowed. 871 00:46:29,686 --> 00:46:33,306 And just after you establish your brand on Amazon, sell multi channel, 872 00:46:33,316 --> 00:46:34,636 sell also on eBay, be everywhere. 873 00:46:34,636 --> 00:46:35,536 I think it's necessary. 874 00:46:35,596 --> 00:46:39,406 But, of course, If you have the capital and the time, go to 875 00:46:39,406 --> 00:46:41,576 Amazon or build your own store. 876 00:46:41,796 --> 00:46:45,426 If you want a quick, easy start, low risk, or you don't have a 877 00:46:45,426 --> 00:46:46,616 lot of money, start with eBay. 878 00:46:47,086 --> 00:46:49,216 Yeah, that's very, very good advice. 879 00:46:49,306 --> 00:46:52,576 And uh, some of the best companies that I've seen, actually multichannel 880 00:46:52,576 --> 00:46:53,596 do all three, don't they? 881 00:46:53,596 --> 00:46:56,146 They've got their own site, they're doing Amazon and they're doing eBay. 882 00:46:56,416 --> 00:46:58,696 Not necessarily every single product and every single channel 883 00:46:58,696 --> 00:46:59,596 they've thought it through. 884 00:46:59,596 --> 00:47:03,316 But, um, for, for quite a few businesses, all three channels 885 00:47:03,316 --> 00:47:04,696 seems to work quite well. 886 00:47:05,146 --> 00:47:07,606 Um, which I is, is fascinating. 887 00:47:07,606 --> 00:47:09,166 So, yeah, I, I like that. 888 00:47:09,256 --> 00:47:12,346 Uh, bring back, let's bring back conversations about eBay. 889 00:47:12,346 --> 00:47:14,716 'cause it just feels like we've not talked about eBay for a long time. 890 00:47:15,196 --> 00:47:22,606 Um, Listen, uh, Zaha, it's been, uh, Zaha, Nahar, sorry, getting your name 891 00:47:22,606 --> 00:47:25,196 wrong, it's going back to what your mentor was saying, I was thinking, 892 00:47:26,626 --> 00:47:30,266 um, I was thinking of two things at the same time, so you know when two 893 00:47:30,266 --> 00:47:33,506 words come out of your mouth at the same time, anyway, uh, Nahar, listen. 894 00:47:34,101 --> 00:47:39,801 If people want to find out more about Zik Analytics, want to connect 895 00:47:39,801 --> 00:47:43,161 with you, want to maybe have some questions for you, what's the 896 00:47:43,171 --> 00:47:45,071 best way for them to reach out to 897 00:47:46,106 --> 00:47:46,656 Absolutely. 898 00:47:46,656 --> 00:47:49,236 So, of course, we have a very active YouTube channel. 899 00:47:49,236 --> 00:47:51,196 You can find Zik Analytics' channel on YouTube. 900 00:47:51,276 --> 00:47:53,476 You can go on the website on zikanalytics. 901 00:47:53,496 --> 00:47:57,006 com, we have live chat support there with assistance. 902 00:47:57,056 --> 00:47:59,786 If you want to contact me directly, you can find me on LinkedIn, send me 903 00:47:59,786 --> 00:48:01,356 on LinkedIn or my Facebook profile. 904 00:48:01,356 --> 00:48:01,541 All right. 905 00:48:01,921 --> 00:48:06,211 I usually answer to personal messages, maybe it can take some time, but I answer. 906 00:48:06,791 --> 00:48:10,201 I know a lot of people in this position are not answering at all, but I 907 00:48:10,201 --> 00:48:13,831 think this is the things, these are the little things that keep me with 908 00:48:13,831 --> 00:48:14,891 the feet on the ground, you know. 909 00:48:14,901 --> 00:48:17,781 So I'm trying to stick to it. 910 00:48:18,201 --> 00:48:19,311 And yeah, that's it. 911 00:48:19,361 --> 00:48:20,351 This is where you can find us. 912 00:48:20,351 --> 00:48:22,611 This is the main channels where we are active, where I am active. 913 00:48:23,801 --> 00:48:23,821 you? 914 00:48:23,821 --> 00:48:24,411 Fantastic. 915 00:48:24,641 --> 00:48:25,071 Fantastic. 916 00:48:25,081 --> 00:48:29,801 We will of course link to all of those in the show notes, which you can also 917 00:48:29,801 --> 00:48:33,561 get along for free, especially if you're signed up to the email newsletter, 918 00:48:33,631 --> 00:48:34,681 they'll be coming to your inbox. 919 00:48:34,681 --> 00:48:35,261 Don't panic about it. 920 00:48:35,901 --> 00:48:39,631 Uh, but no, thank you, uh, mate for coming on. 921 00:48:39,641 --> 00:48:40,741 Thanks for showing. 922 00:48:41,261 --> 00:48:45,031 Uh, your, uh, strategy or sharing your insights. 923 00:48:45,341 --> 00:48:49,121 Um, I just, it's just been great talking a little bit about eBay again. 924 00:48:49,121 --> 00:48:52,931 I'm not going to lie where it all started, you know, and it's, um, it's great that 925 00:48:52,931 --> 00:48:57,031 it's still going strong and, uh, I'm going to, I'm definitely going to check out. 926 00:48:57,211 --> 00:49:01,561 Um, some of the things that you mentioned actually, uh, from my notes 927 00:49:01,561 --> 00:49:04,951 and talk to my kids about it, especially with their little university stuff. 928 00:49:05,741 --> 00:49:08,021 Uh, but listen, it's been an absolute pleasure, man. 929 00:49:08,021 --> 00:49:09,711 Thank you so much for coming on the show. 930 00:49:09,991 --> 00:49:11,821 Uh, really, really appreciate it. 931 00:49:12,651 --> 00:49:14,531 Thank you so much, it's been a pleasure as well. 932 00:49:14,651 --> 00:49:15,841 Thank you for the opportunity. 933 00:49:16,391 --> 00:49:17,061 Oh, it's been great. 934 00:49:17,371 --> 00:49:17,981 Great. 935 00:49:18,411 --> 00:49:20,621 So a huge shout out to Nahar for joining me today. 936 00:49:20,621 --> 00:49:24,891 Also a big shout out to today's show sponsor, the e commerce cohort. 937 00:49:24,891 --> 00:49:30,221 Remember to check out their free training online at ecommercecycles. 938 00:49:30,751 --> 00:49:30,991 com. 939 00:49:30,991 --> 00:49:33,281 That's all one word, ecommercecycles. 940 00:49:33,311 --> 00:49:33,661 com. 941 00:49:34,181 --> 00:49:37,741 Also be sure to follow the e commerce podcast, wherever you get your 942 00:49:37,751 --> 00:49:40,911 podcasts from, because we have got yet more great conversations lined 943 00:49:40,911 --> 00:49:42,901 up and I don't want you to miss. 944 00:49:43,161 --> 00:49:43,881 Any of them. 945 00:49:44,171 --> 00:49:49,791 And in case no one has told you yet today, dear listener, you are awesome. 946 00:49:49,971 --> 00:49:51,401 Yes, you are awesome. 947 00:49:51,401 --> 00:49:52,341 Created awesome. 948 00:49:52,581 --> 00:49:54,501 It's just a burden you have to bear. 949 00:49:54,931 --> 00:49:55,701 Absolutely. 950 00:49:55,701 --> 00:49:56,511 Nahar, I have to bear it. 951 00:49:56,541 --> 00:49:57,311 I've got to bear it. 952 00:49:57,681 --> 00:49:58,901 You've got to bear it as well. 953 00:49:59,231 --> 00:50:02,851 Now, the e commerce podcast is produced by Aurion Media. 954 00:50:02,851 --> 00:50:06,981 You can find our entire archive of episodes on your favorite podcast app. 955 00:50:06,991 --> 00:50:11,861 The team that makes this show possible is Sadaf Beynon and Tanya Hutsuliak. 956 00:50:12,151 --> 00:50:14,491 Our theme song was written by Josh Edmundson. 957 00:50:14,491 --> 00:50:18,191 And as I mentioned, if you would like to read the transcript or show notes, head 958 00:50:18,191 --> 00:50:19,281 over to the website, ecommercepodcast. 959 00:50:21,101 --> 00:50:21,131 com. 960 00:50:22,251 --> 00:50:25,831 That's it from me, that's it from Nahar, thank you so much for 961 00:50:25,831 --> 00:50:29,081 joining us, have a fantastic week, wherever you are in the world, I'll 962 00:50:29,081 --> 00:50:30,481 see you next time, bye for now.