Rock and roll. Look at that. You can really see the light. I was gonna say, I see your, I see your OnlyFans light in those shades. And I think it's fantastic. And, and how was spin class, Mr. L. A.? It was so good. It's like, you calling me Mr. L. A., me looking at myself wearing glasses while I have a red light in the reflection. It's, I'm just like, who have I become? Exactly who you want to be! Right? The spin class was great. I, you know, I, I just like, And I don't know if y'all are this way. It's like we all have like our addictions in a way. And we were just talking about addiction actually, so that's appropriate. Right. And I guess like, I, I have this like weird feeling at five just, if I haven't worked out properly in like two to three days, then I get anxious about it. And like, I just don't feel the, as, as. Good as I could. I'm like, I know I could feel better if I just like kill myself for an hour. If you just go get some of those endorphins going that don't come with, you know, a prescription. Yeah, exactly. I get you. 100%. And I'm out. I do want to say welcome, Brian Bogart, stand up comedian and actor. So happy to have you here. I'm Haley. Haley. I'm Johnny. Johnny. Brian. So good to meet y'all. Johnny. Haley. Brian. Day. Of. Fun. All right. We like. Oh my gosh. We like the deer in headlights look when people don't know what we're doing. No, there's a whole thing, and I feel bad because I was like, Yeah, totally, I'm Brian, and then y'all were like doing a thing, and I'm like, Oh my god, shut up. No, you're totally fine. That's part of the fun for us. It's kind of a deer in the headlights kind of thing. I had that moment. But we, we enjoy that. So we appreciate you playing along. My cousin and I, too. Y'all are siblings, right? Yeah. Yeah. My cousin and I have a podcast and it's called Guantanamo Bays cause we're both Cuban and it always opens like after a conversation we go into a segue and they're like, and welcome to the Guantanamo Bays podcast. And then at the same time we go a Cuban cousin, Kiki. I love it. I have been looking at some of your clips that you have on Instagram. You guys have some interesting topics of conversation. I do. That's funny. What, what caught your attention out of curiosity? Um, I do believe that you were reading some sort of, uh, I don't know if it was a text message or what it was. It was like some, some smut. It was some gay literature that Julian, Julian brings. Oh, it's literature. Yeah, you could call it that. Literature. Okay. But it was like this, um. Yeah, you know, he'll bring a gay item of the week. That's that's what we call it. It's one of our segments and it'll be a physical item and a news item. And so this physical item was from this book he read that was like about some real underground, you know, like dark, you know, goodbye yellow brick road kind of gay culture stuff. And it's like this really explicit personal ad that like really makes you question like, You know, should this be legal kind of thing? Like how far is too far for a kink? And so yeah, I, you know, I guess sometimes doesn't that just make you feel better that you're normal, right? You're not having to go chase those kind of things in life. You know, you're like, I, it's Sure, we'll deal with, like, kicking cigarettes and, and, you know, things like that. We can, those kind of addictions are, like, tame, right? I chase a different dragon. Yeah? Yeah. And it's, it's the attention of the, the audience when you do stand up and acting, is that, would that be any part of the, the reasons we get into it? Yeah, I'll say like the rush of performance and maybe the adoration of a crowd is like a factor in that whole thing, but also, uh, really when you feel like you nail it and the sense of accomplishment, um, and when those things intertwine, that's like when it's at its best and that really is, you know, like the, that's a dragon right there, you know, that's my, yeah, for sure. Whatever the, the toughest dragon type there was in Harry Potter. And I remember the Rhodesian Ridgeback. I believe, no, that's a dog. That is like one of those, that, that's my, Uber dragon. Yeah, that's my Uber dragon. It was, it's a Hungarian horntail. Hungarian horntail. Yeah, if I can, if I can bring my nerd self out, but like, you know, I, I'm with the, the Norwegian Ridgeback too. Like, uh, totally good. That's a good breed too. Yeah, I appreciate that. And I feel bad as a Harry Potter fan that like I couldn't on command. All of the Harry Potter fans can send their hate mail to us at johnnyhaleydof at gmail. com. We will read it out loud. And follow at Brian dot Bogart on Instagram. And all the hate mail, please. And thank you. We were happy to read it. It's content for us. You're doing our job for us. And we appreciate you. Yeah. Thank you. Can I can I be The pretentious asshole in the room and say Bogart any relation to Humphrey. Great grandfather. Shut up. No. No. I'm sorry. I can't. I can't, uh, back that up. I was gonna say, I know, I wanna know how that goes, but No, you think I'd be doing this podcast if I was Humphrey Bogarts? I'm just kidding. Yeah, right? You would not. No, you absolutely would not be. People will ask me, people will ask me, uh, you know, like any relation. I'm like, do you think I would be in this Trader Joe's? Or do you think I would be in this right now? I would be in the French Riviera right now. I would not be talking to you. I'll be at the Gelson's in Monaco, you know? Yeah, exactly. I love it. So, we do want to talk to you a little bit about your, your stand up and your acting. How did you get into performing? You know, what's, what's the thing that inspired you? Yeah, it's funny. Like a buddy and I, who's also like an actor, I went to UT with him. He's in LA now. And we were talking about like some of the earliest, you know, memories of acting that we ever had. And like, really like the, the inception of like, wow, I think I want to be an actor was, um, in first grade, there was a kind of like an original really lame musical. That's like a salute to TV. And it's like, I love Lucy and cheers and audition for the part of Ricky Ricardo. Uh, which makes sense. Cause I'm Cuban, obviously, but I was like, so young, obviously. I didn't know I was Cuban, you know, like, so, so like that, the fact that it was, that was just like kind of meant to be, you know, that, that Desi Arnaz is also, but like, Oh, that's like, you know, divine intervention in some ways, right? Just, you know, guess what? This is what you're supposed to do. Go do it later. Connecting the dots. I was like, Oh my God, it was my destiny, but you got the right last name and you had the, you know, you had the right ethnicity. It's perfect. Right, but also this, this last name is Double Edged Sword because it can only lead to disappointment, you know, like, uh, there's, there's the, uh, excitement of like, Oh, Bogart is famous last name. Oh, well, at least it like sounds like a show busy name, but then they kind of expected to be this like show busy guy. And then when you're just like this kind of straightforward comic or, you know, like, I'm not like a Waka Waka Brian Bogart, you know, like Making silly, like, I don't know. You're not vaudeville. Right. Right. Although my cousin and I together are extremely vaudevillian and we are doing our first show at upright systems brigade tomorrow as a Guantanamo bays. Um, and so it's like a proof of concept show called a spank. And if it goes well, so really excited about that. Very cool. I mean, definitely want to hear more about that. Whatever you want to share about it. Yeah, this is a first live sort of thing that you you're doing. Yeah. Yeah. Um, we we've done like a sketch that we wrote together. Um, you know, kind of like as a. Just like as, as part of his musical improv and I did stand up. So we've done like a variety show, very low stakes variety show. And, uh, I've taken classes at UCB. He has two for musical improv. And then one day we went to a show, it was kind of disappointing. And we were like, we're better than those showrunners, you know? So like I submitted the show two months later, they're like, we want to give y'all a shot for a spank. Um, you know, and so it's going to be a variety show. I do stand up, we do the sketch, he does musical improv. We were going to do it alongside this one play. The day of the spank, which was last week, an hour, no, 30 minutes before going to the tech rehearsal, I get a, uh, an email from UCB being like, our tech guy didn't show up. We have to cancel the show. And like, we got other, you know, our friends like who flew in early after Thanksgiving to attend for us. Like, you know, it's like our schedules fucked with their schedules fucked with the, so the people who are doing the spank with us, they're like, Hey, we're actually staging it out of friends. In a friend's backyard. Would you guys still like to do your thing? So we did it in a space and like a bunch of UCP people were still there and then. And then UCB felt so bad they gave us an evening slot, which is now gonna be tomorrow. You know, they're like, can we, can you do next Tuesday? So, you know, now we've had a chance to actually do it. There. It, it killed like, we loved how it went and they, you know, we're just so thankful. Caroline Kotter's her name. I just have to shout her out for like, letting us do Oh, absolutely. Okay. And, uh, really happy with how it went. And now, now we feel really tight and ready for, and then I'm, I'm ho I'm hosting an open mic tonight, so I'll get to practice my set, you know, for the show tomorrow. So it's like, we feel really good about it. Just super perfect timing. Yeah. And I wish you guys were here to like, watch it and hang out. We would absolutely come over and watch it and hang out. We would have such a great time. You and Johnny Ginger, you know, like I would just make fun of you being daywalkers for, uh, you know, only for about five minutes. I promise. You know the distinction too. You know the distinction between a pure ginger and a daywalker like us. Oh, man. Yeah, it comes with its perks. Yeah, it comes with its perks. Yeah, you can handle the cold up here in the Dakotas better than some of us can. Well, yeah, that's true. You've got that Viking Norse blood in you, you know, you can deal with it a little bit more. There's that German stubborn redhead. I do not. I look more like someone that the Vikings conquered. Right? You look like conquest. I'm just meat. Well, very cool though that you have those things going on. That is, you know, love it. That's going well for you. That's when we absolutely, you know, tell us more about it. We would love to, we would love to be there in person if we could, we're gonna manifest that from the universe, but until such time, you know, we're happy to keep up with your progress via Zoom here. And if there's anything to like, just take away for anyone listening who's like, remotely interested in like, not just, you know, doing anything like this or understanding it better, how you could apply it to their own disciplines or their own careers or lives, is like, You know, it was just like kind of a natural next step of things. And, um, it's not, it's like the slow burn, you know, sometimes you do get lucky and you get noticed fast and you get plucked out, or you could like create a lot of attention for yourself on social media. Cause like you cracked the code there and that's like, never been my. Forte necessarily. So it's like, you know, I've got to do a combination of like being somewhat active, just like, so people know I exist, remember to book me. But then also like, you know, I I'm more of a stage guy, so I'm more like, we want to wow people in person so that like, maybe someone will like cast me in something or like, you know, give me free reign to write a show, which like, you know, I have my pilot. And so it's like, you got to have your pitch deck ready, but you also like. You know, like this kind of started when I was like, okay, what theater in town, you know, what I want to work with. And I'm like, okay, UCB has sent a lot of people to SNL recently. And that seems like something I'd want to do. So I'll take a class there, you know, got to take levels 1, Like that takes time. And then after that, it's like, you got to pitch a show, which is like its own process. And you got to wait. You like, hopefully they say yes. Is it as painful to do a pitch as I have, uh, heard it is, is a question. And here's kind of, so like, yes, it always sucks, right? Whenever, you know, Okay. Just expect it to suck. Yeah. Yeah. Just expect everything that isn't the exact part you don't want to do to suck. Right. It's like I get in here because like, like I said, it's the rush of live performance or the rush of connecting and feeling like you really nailed it and pushing yourself and like all that stuff. And that's great. But to like make money off of that or to have a career in that you're going to have to do a lot of shit you don't want to do because that's like what business is, right? It's the kind of shit we don't want to do to advance our own like socioeconomic situation, however you want to define it. But yeah, it's it's like there's a necessary part to that if you want to like yeah. Kind of be career successful, but like, that's not everything to people. And so, yeah, you gotta balance it, right? Like follow the highest joy and also, you know, do the taking care of business things that maybe are not quite as exciting. And where I was lucky was that, you know, kind of in a vacuum, we'd written a sketch together. I had, we had pitched our, you know, Guantanamo days is like, uh, a show or like to a screenwriting contest. And so we'd already had a proof of concept. So I was able to like copy and paste a lot of that into the UCB pitch. So it's not as painful because I've like done the building blocks, right. I've did all this stuff in a vacuum. So that one, like this opportunity kind of presents itself. I'm like, okay, thank God. I don't have to start from scratch. You know, so that would have been a lot more painful. So, like, never stop writing. Like, if, if something comes to your mind, I have a Google Doc of just shit that, like, just the most random stream of consciousness. Some of it's organized, some of it's not, but, like, as long as you're getting your thoughts. I have. I have a house full of notebooks and I have told my sister this is my legacy that I am leaving is that I don't know who I am leaving it to but someone is going to have just mass amounts of notebooks full of my psychosis And I can't wait for you to read it Yeah, like travel journals are important to me. Whenever I travel, I always like keep a log. So I'm like, if I don't, if nothing successful, like quote, unquote, successful other things in my life, like before I kick it, I'm just like, here you go. Here's like the crazy shit I did leaving captain's log. Exactly. It's my captain's log. So that's never a bad legacy, no matter who you are. I love it. Yeah. No, like back to, uh, back to writing and stuff like that. I noticed on your YouTube that you have a lot of standup and you have a lot of sketch comedy. What do you. What do you prefer? What do you get out of each that you like? Because a lot of people. A lot of stand ups don't resort to sketch comedy. A lot of sketch comics don't resort to stand up. So it's kind of interesting to find somebody that's kind of in the gray area of doing both. People are stupid and think that you can't do both. Or of course, yeah, of course you can do both. You know, it's just some people prefer to. And some people are purists. And there are great comedians who are purists. And, you know, like, not, not, I'm not saying this about anyone specific. I think sometimes too, maybe if you're a standup and you're really good at standup, that doesn't mean, and it doesn't have to mean that you're a good actor or a good sketch writer or sketch actor or anything like that. But if you're like kind of called to do that and you kind of like, don't feel good about where you are skill wise with that, you're going to shit on it. You know, you're gonna insecurity in your, Inability, which is not your fault. Like, once again, no one should expect that of you, but like comics are the most thin skin Sardonic people in the world. The irony that like so many of them can give it and not take it is, is it's a sad irony of like Comedians in general that I wish we could kind of get over a little bit more, but yeah, it's kind of like that same thing. Like I ran this open mic in Austin called banter, where after comedian sets, I would do a Q and a with them. And it was really polarizing. Like what comic doesn't want to practice their Leno or their Conan sets and interview afterward. But some of you are just like, Ooh, why is he asking me questions? I just want to do my set. Well, you can do that, you know, but like. And then eventually, like, most everyone ended up really liking it and, like, really liked Banner, so, like, we, we do that as a, as a format for a show every once in a while, but I mean, I was gonna say, that's kind of interesting to me, though, like, yeah, why wouldn't you want to practice that, you know, being on Jimmy Fallon or, you know, Colbert or whatever? Like why we're sardonic and thin skinned. That's why that is very interesting to me. You know, that's one of the things that like John and I talk about too, is like how you deal with hecklers and stuff like that. Like there are some comics who like. Really handle hecklers well and almost kind of play off of it. Like it's almost a piece of what they do. Right? Yeah. It's sort of like, uh, almost like a heckler crowd were in some comics and I won't say who, especially with the advent of social media, but like a lot of them will put have put plants in the audience was like, Whoa, he handled this heckler. I'm like, Well, yeah, of course he did. He wrote that script. You know, like I could make, I could make anyone look stupid if I wrote a script to make them look stupid, you know, so I mean, I guess, you know, performance, it's, it's a performance art, however you do it, I suppose, right? Like, so I get hecklers with hecklers in the wild, real hecklers in the wild. Here's my rule. Uh, well, and not really like, uh, well, yeah, it's, it's my rule and like, I don't know where I read it or whose advice I got this from, but, um, it's, it's somewhere in comedy annals and it was like some of the best advice for peckling I'd ever read, but it was like, and it totally worked every time I've done it now, but the first time someone. Like heckles, you know, like maybe they shout something and you like laugh it off, right? Like don't come down on them, even if they're in the wrong, like, Hey, yeah, whatever, buddy. And then what now, now, like everyone's annoyed, but everyone's like, Oh, that comic is so cool that he didn't just like rain shit on this guy. Yeah. Second, they do it again. They've lost all benefit of the doubt. The second one's probably going to be a little bit bolder. Cause you kind of now like, I gave them a pass. Now they're like, Oh, we'll wait until they get this next one. And then now you have all the ammunition, you know, like you have, you can use their first heckles ammunition. You can use our second heckles ammunition and really make your case for why they suck. And that's when it gets really fun. And that's when it gets really fun. I love it. Well, we had, um, we had Mark Christopher Lawrence on here. And he was explaining to us like how he deals with hecklers and he'll usually give them two chances. You know, they'll like just play it off, play it off, and then he's gonna put, make the attention on you. You know what I mean? He'll give you what you want, but he'll give you what you want in a way that you don't want it, basically. You know what I mean? Well, they're like, everyone else in the audience is gonna like what they see except for one person. Of course! It's entertaining the way you look at it. Have you ever had, um, anything that's, like, escalated to the point someone needed to, like, be removed or anything like that? I mean, how, how often is that actually, you know, the nightmare scenario? How real is it? Yeah, it happens every once in a while. Not, like, to me, necessarily, where people have heckled me to the point that they've had to be escorted, but, like, Um, yeah, there's been, like, I've seen plenty of rowdy incidents in bars. Probably like my best heckler, like my best destruction of a heckler. Like after I moved to LA, um, I've been married, but my wife and I were separated. And so I was doing like a bit in LA and it was going to be about like how I'm married and I'm separated and all this stuff, like what I'm going through. And, uh, and I didn't have a ring, you know, at this point. So I was like, I opened the bit with like, I'm married. And there's nothing worse than a comic who's a heckler. It's like, some comics can't help themselves, it's never really like, super seasoned comics. But some of them, like, you know, it's usually like a new comic thing, if you like, still somehow heckle comics. But it's like, okay, this might be a sloppy metaphor, but in Django, remember how he said that there's like, Slaves hate black slave owners more than anything. It's like, that's how you feel as a comic. You're like, I trusted you, man. Like, what the fuck? Yeah, we're supposed to be on the same team here. Exactly. So I was like, uh, I'm married. And then she goes, where's your ring? And that just like out of nowhere. Right. And I just like shocked me. And I was just like, let me tell you. I'm gonna say this in defense of just in defense of ladies that might not have been that may not have been a comic response that may have been like a legit like something in her past was triggered. She was like, Oh, really? Are you like, what? You know, I have zero doubt. I have zero doubt that that plays a factor, right? But it's like, um, but you hear that or it's like, it's like, Hey, I'm a comic telling you what's happening in my life. And like, maybe let's see where it goes first before it is. You know, so I was like, well, and Also, if you're a comic and you know that you're talking about something personal and it's probably real, like, I don't need the extra knife, thank you, I'm having a hard enough time, I'm trying to make some lemon dot a lemon, or lemonade from lemons here. Hear brother out, you know, like, that's what we're here for. So I was like, she goes, where's your ring? And I was just shocked for a second. I was like, where's your manners? And the room just died. And I was like, and the thing is, I had a really bad open mic set up to that point. And I was like, thank you so much. Like your heckle saved my whole set. So I couldn't even be that mad. Right? Hey, there you go. It turned out to work, right? So maybe it was again, that divine intervention. It's just kismet. It works out the right way somehow. Right. Chicken salad out of chicken shit. Absolutely. However you gotta do it. I mean, if you put ranch on anything, it's good, right? Which is really, you know, that's how he felt about the spank and like, Caroline opening up her, her friend's backyard to us to perform our sketch and stuff like that. You know, it's like we ended up getting You know, like meeting a lot of people with the new CB there, you know, at that, and we got a trial run at it. Now we're like in a better. So, you know, once again, it's like, I wasn't sensed. I wasn't sense. And my cousin, he's very dramatic. I'm always talking him down off of ledges. So, and he's like, Brian, this email is like, pretty aggressive. You need to dial it back just a little bit. If you tell me to dial it back, then. Okay. All right. You're probably right. So back to the, um. Let's say back to the heckler stuff, the unwanted stuff of the comedy world. Have you ever, have you ever been either forced or just walked off the stage? Have you ever walked off in the middle of a set? That's a really good question. Um, hold on, and real quick, if I could just, like, share, like, an anecdote of sorts, something, like, related to heckling, and this, I've been doing, you know, stand up for, like, seven, eight years now, like, like, you know, my first open mic was 11, 12 years ago, but if I count, like, the, the years, like, the cumulative years that I've really, Committed to it, like seven to eight feels accurate. And like, you know, that's kind of like what we're at. So, um, You can absolutely say since first grade, when you had that first, you know, you can absolutely go back that far. I wasn't doing so much observational humor back then, you know, I wasn't doing as much standup, but like in terms of like that specific art form. And so I, you know, I did it for a few years, obviously before COVID done in a few years since COVID and my first show back in Austin, when COVID, you know, was starting, it was starting to open up. Um, and my parents came out, you know, that's where I'm from, and they'll come out and see like some, and now that Austin's comedy scene's really blown up, um, it's like that, you know, I have like a lot more shows to take them to whenever they're out here, or whenever I'm out there. Um, so there's this one in Georgetown, and there's this, um, I'm blanking on his last name. His name is Ryan and, and uh, you know, what he's doing are clearly jokes, but it's like very Anthony Jeselnik where everything is like the darkest thing you've ever heard. Oh yeah, sure. And he opens with like You know, when, when COVID happened, they released a lot of sexual predators from jail, so I thought I'd stop by. So, like, that's how he opens, right? And then you can just imagine what the rest of his set is like. So, my mom has been the mother of a performer for a long time. When she started heckling him, and I'm, like, humiliated, and she, like, her and her friend are just like, Boo, like, sit down! And, like, I get, and Like, I get it. He's saying Like, really, we're just very upset with the content, huh? Just not having it. Yes. Yes. She has not since then, you know? And like, but I approached her and I was like, Mom, like, you can't do this, you know? You can't do this! Yeah, yeah. So it's like This is the bit. This is part of it. Like, you're supposed to be upset. Uh, yeah. And just like, I cannot have my mom be the heckler, right? Like I can't be the comic whose mom comes every once in a while and heckles and ruins everyone's party. I think that is probably why we would just not bring our parents, Johnny, you know, I think they're all off the list for being invited is what I'm going to say. I don't know. I'm going to be honest. My mother, she would be the heckler. 100%. They're like, Nope, Cindy, you can't come. Sorry. You're not invited. Oh yeah. My mom would be the heckler for sure. I will say, and in Austin, uh, it's usually suburban moms who I get heckled for, but it's like such a well meaning heckling. Like, Oh, did you, do you know, like the Curtis kid from Cedar park or whatever? Oh my gosh. Oh, that's cute though. See, they're just really genuinely interested and they probably think that you're adorable. Right. Right. You know, when I show up and I do it, I'm like, I'm from Austin. I know I look like someone who moved here to ruin it. And that really polarizing that joke does better in LA than it doesn't Austin, but that's not surprising because everyone, I was going to say, that's a joke that you could also equally do in the Dakotas where we're from. Uh, you know, that's something that we have the, all you Californians coming out here and I can't understand why do you not understand what winter is. No, I've always known. That's why I've always lived in, you know, warmer climates. I know what's out there. Yeah, no, good for you. That's, that's the goal is to get away from my stupid comedy friends. You're like, I'm going to go to New York and act and do no fuck that. Jesus. I am with you. A hundred percent. The streets are filled with trash and it's cold as fuck. Yeah. Well, I mean, we're agreeing with you, but we do live in a place that gets negative 40s. Yeah. But, but with a way lower cost of living, you know, I guess, you know, what, what price are you willing, what price are you willing to put on sunshine is the question, right? It is priceless. Right. Cause like it does affect Yeah, like, you know, I, Seasonal depression is a real thing and we are dealing with it. Like, yeah, yeah, y'all are the unsung heroes for sure. And you're just getting into it. I mean, I mean, I'm serious though, because it's like, that's also why once again, I want to move to New York to freeze, be depressed, and pay out the ass for everything. Because it has a great food scene, like, like, yeah, that's part of it. But, um, and great scene, like, and cold places breed like tough people. And I love tough people, but you know, LA is full of tough people. Cause like one for a sunny place, it is a hard city and so many people here also come from like tough places, you know, and they're like grinders. And that's why they came there, right? Because they're looking for something new and to, you know, get a little bit of that. Like how I came from the mean streets of North Austin suburbs. Right. You know? I mean, we came from the mean streets of towns that are, uh, like, less than a thousand people. Like, we like to say, if you go into a Walmart wherever you are, you're shopping with more people than we grew up with. That's crazy. Like, it's, you know, it's a different kind of, it's a different kind of flavor. Not everybody understands. Where would y'all at? Sorry. Where'd y'all hang out or like, you know, go, yeah. Well, in high school we thought it was fun to go to the, uh, little coffee shop slash flower shop in town and sit around during the day and have some cappuccinos. But if you were gonna go drink, then you just went and hang, you, John, you know, we've talked about this, hanging out at the section line. Well, yeah, I mean, you, like, If you don't have a place to party, you make a place to party. Like a section line is a road. That's basically grass with two tire marks. You know what I mean? I don't know. That's what I picture. You know, like I know, I know y'all aren't in Nebraska, but I, you know, I picture like the, the cornfields, right. It's like, it's pretty close, but, um, I don't know, like you would, like you said, you would go drink on a section line or something, but I, I was, uh, When I was in high school, I played music, so, but I was relatively straight laced kid. I didn't do drugs and I didn't, um, drink. I just played music and like, I don't know, in a small town you kind of have to find your own lane and just Yeah, totally. You know, you gotta find something to keep you busy or else drinking's gonna consume your life. pretty much. Yeah. True. I mean, so many people I know, um, from small towns are so successful because, you know, it took such a tenacity to like, get out of there in the first place and then like, you know. Like to have gotten out of there, you had to have been really good or really obsessed with one particular thing. So like, you know, to be successful at something, you have to become like a machine of it. So like, if you are a musician, it's like you became a music machine. You, you played, you produced, or like you, you learned how to use garage band and whatever. And, you know, I have a buddy from Sillsby, Texas. He lives in LA with his wife now. And, uh, you know, I knew him in Austin. We went to UT together, Joe Daly, I'll shout him out. And, uh, and he's just a total machine. Like he plays guitar and sings and writes and, uh, like immediately found his tribe with. improv and sketch here in LA and like found his theater and like is already doing shows after only being here like, you know, two, like one and a half to two years, which is like nothing in LA time, you know? So it's like, and, and he, my, another good buddy of mine from Atlanta, Texas, where Ellen DeGeneres is from. Uh, so it's crazy that like two P his name is Will Britton. He's a very successful actor. And there's like five people in Atlanta. Two of them are famous, you know? So it's like, There's that, that says something about, you know, the people who come out of those places. Yeah, for sure. There's a certain, no, go ahead. I was gonna say, um, well, I mean, one person that's from about 45 miles from my hometown is Lawrence Welk. So, that's about our acclaimed affair. Yeah, that's who we have. No, but it is true, you have, um, When you have a drive to kind of like get out of just the normal what you've seen everyone doing and it's it is I like that you say it that way you kind of have to be a machine so like it makes me feel a little bit better that I am burning myself out just a little bit trying to keep up with editing and things like that for the podcast but it's like no this is what I want to do this is you know you got to put yourself into it whatever else you're doing. And so, like, you know, it took a while. It's like, I got good at acting. I got good at comedy, but then I had to kind of put. You know, put the pieces together. I'm in LA and like, I've always, I'm obviously know my cousin all my life. And we've always, you know, we went to acting camps together as kids, but it's like, he lives a mile away from me. It's really wasted opportunity if we're not doing anything. So, you know, we hang out a lot, but like, if we could sacrifice some time to write a sketch, Hey, now we have something. If someone's like, what do you got kid? It's like, we got our thing that we could do. Right. Um, if we make a podcast that forces us to do something together, right. So like. And then we could have ideas exchange while we produce that, even, even if, like, I'm the 1 editing and stuff like that. And I still have a full time job and I still, you know, I have to audition, you know, like, whenever auditions come in and go to open mics and book shows and stuff like that. So it's like, I feel like kind of doing the podcast and taking classes were kind of like those 2 things that helped kind of like, kind of piece it all together and make it a more whole picture instead of just being like. I'm a, I'm skilled in this profession. You know, it's like now it's like I have something a little bit more sticky. To glue it all together. You're doing the right thing, Haley. You're doing the right thing. I know it's a bitch. It is a bitch. But I appreciate the acknowledgement. I really do. I see it. If you don't get it from the people who are in your circle. Oh, I appreciate it. You too, Johnny. John's been great too, though, let me tell you what. She doesn't want to do the editing, so I appreciate you. Oh, that's nice. I thought that was you being like, I'm over here too, bitch. I was like, Johnny, you too, bitch. Let me tell you, Johnny has been very flexible though, and I do appreciate you for that because he's been able to roll with the punches. And there's more than one time where we've just been chatting and I've been, why are we not recording this as a podcast? Like, Johnny, we're turning this under record. This is no longer just a private conversation. Yeah, that's Julian too. It's like, you know, we, because we, we're, we're so funny together, obviously. And then he's just like, Oh my God, like we are losing, you know, we're losing mojo by like not turning this into art. Right. Why is there not a microphone in front of me? You got to get this stuff on camera. It's too good to just leave it in the ether. Yeah, it's like, you know, we, we try to, we try to get better. It's like, some episodes are going to be better than others. Some episodes you're up or down. Um, but, you know, it's like, once you, once you've started doing better, it's like. Now you have like kind of a new stasis, a new standard and it's like, Hey, if we have like even a bad episode, at least it was like, it was never as bad as our bad episode before that, you know, it's like, so now it's like you're, you're worst case scenario is always improving, you know, it's never gonna. Oh, yeah, it's a constant evolution. Right. And it's, you know, If you keep coming back to it and if you do stick with it, like you, you can't not get better at it. Yeah, totally. Totally. For sure. I have one, I have a couple more questions. I, I'm usually the question guy. I put it together a good little list. Yes, John does. John does help me out with like writing the question portion of it. So appreciate you again for that. Look at this, everybody just throwing around some appreciation I think is great. Me and my little unicorns and rainbows. I like to acknowledge that stuff. Very like just an appreciative episode. And I feel very safe in this space. And thank you for having me. And it's absolutely a safe space, even though we didn't throw you off with the introduction, because we thought it was kind of fun. What, what, what? Yeah. But one question, if you could play any part in a movie, what movie would it be and what part would you play? Like, the only role, I, I, not the only role I ever wanted, but what was so clearly my number one for the longest time, and still is, I'm just too long in the tooth for it now, but Spider Man, I always wanted to play Spider Man. Um, now, now if I ever get cast, it would be as like, the alternate, the B universe Spider Man, you know, the one who like, already I absolutely think you need to write that sketch, write that sketch and put that on YouTube. I would watch that. I would watch like Spider Man who's in his like, you know, I, I'm turning 37. And I don't know if you've seen the Spider Verse films, but uh, it's, yeah, yeah, you know, it's like they have, it's like, The one that I'm, I clearly am right now is the one that's voiced by, um, Jake, Jake Johnson, right? From, from a new girl. Yeah. That's like, it's like a little bit long in the tooth. He's like, passes prime and stuff like that. I'm like, that's a Spider Man. I identify. I'm not some fresh faced high schooler or anything like that. But it's like, that was, that was the role that I wanted for so long. And, uh, but, but now it's like, it's funny that now In the new ones. There's like, even if it's animated, it's like, okay, there's a type of Spider Man out there that could like exist in my demographic now. So, yeah, absolutely. Everything is available in the infinite multiverse, right? Exactly. Like, I write, I, uh, I do some writing too, like in the science fiction fantasy area, I have a fictional podcast. So, like, that's, that's right up my alley. I write all about, like, the multiverse and stuff like that. And I would absolutely watch. A Spider Man that I could identify with because I'm turning 37 in two days. And let me tell you what I would like to know what Wonder Woman in her late thirties was up to. Haley, I thought you might, I thought you were younger than me. How old are you? Do we get to, let's play that game for me for just a hot second. I mean, I thought, I thought late twenties. Now, here's the question. Here's the question. Are you padding your answer a little bit? Just to be nice. No, no, no, no. Legitimately thought. I was like, who's this cool young girl who is like, No. Who wants to talk to mild, crusty comedian ass, you know? Who is this like bitch who's coming into pre menopause probably pretty shortly is what it is. That's where we're sitting. But I do appreciate the compliment. I will absolutely take it. Thank you. Hope it cools off some of your hot flashes. Absolutely. I know, like, let me tell you what, these ring lights in here. Holy hell. Let me Yeah, it's a rough time. I bet if I was up on stage and, and doing any of the things you do, uh, all the nerves and things would probably just make it that much worse. And I still get excited. I still, you know, as long as you do it, sometimes right before you go on stage, you're just like, I don't know any of my material or you're just supposed to be like, yeah, I don't know what I'm about to do. Or like, I don't know any of my stuff. Do I even remember what it's like to be a comedian? Like, it's something that you could. As simple as it is, it's you on a microphone, you could still like, feel like you forget how to do it. So, sometimes the one thing that never fails is just standing in the pocket, and just, okay, this is so lame. But, one of my favorite like, kind of principles on acting, and it's like a Stanislavski thing, and it's kind of like just a thought experiment, but if you're watching a play, And there's like a cat that walks on stage. What's everyone going to look at? They're going to look at the cat. Are they going to look at the cat? The cat is not acting. The cat's just existing. And that's what we're really interested in. So the best actors aren't people you're looking at being like, wow, look how hard they're acting or, Oh, they're clearly acting the best actors. You're just looking at, you're, you're so compelled that they're existing. So we all just kind of want to exist as that cat. And it's so different on standup. People are so compelled by like. You know what they see is like an honest interaction and if you're just standing there if you're feeling dumbfounded or befuddled, you know, make just sit in that energy people will absorb it and they're just they'll find something humorous about it. So, if you ever forget how to be a comment, just sit in the pocket and fucking take it. I like that because, you know, don't we all have those moments where we feel like. I don't know if it's imposter syndrome or what it is, but you have that anxiety or you have that whatever and I. I think it does make it. We're all human. We all have those things. You got to just lean into it and the audience is going to get it. It's going to be approachable, relatable, you know, we've all had those moments, but so can and I know john was going to ask this. Um, so you talk is Does it get better over time from when you, when you started, like, would you look at where you started and say that you still have moments that are like really close to that same level of anxiety or does it kind of taper off? Yeah, it's like always before what you perceive to be like this huge opportunity. And, um, you can just never account for what's going to happen. That's outside of your control. Like, not that long ago, there's this comedy series called don't tell. Uh, and it's like this well known comedy series and they have. Uh, you know, uh, productions like all over the U. S. And, uh, my friend knows the Vegas Booker. He booked us and like, I know so many people who had this great tape from don't tell that just like completely launched their careers into another stratosphere. So I'm like miking so hard. I'm like getting my 15 down, uh, like the 15 I'm going to do for that set. Um, I like, I know I'm going to crush because like, I've been doing really well and like, I, like, I'm mixing new material with old material. So it's like stuff I'm excited to do and like that energy is translating and then finally the, the day happens and I also have a theory about comedy shows in coffee shops, but so this is like in a, in a coffee shop. It's like a coffee shop that serves beer, but it's like repurposed, you know, as like this space in Vegas and, um, and. I thought I frickin nailed it, like I was like, I'm doing what I'm delivering the jokes. I'm here in the pocket and just like, I never got the consistent room full of consistent laughs that you really want. It's like, I'd say a joke, that half of the room laugh. I'd say another joke, the other half of the room laugh. I'm just like, how can, how am I not getting y'all on the same page? And, uh, you know, I want to hang myself. Like I'm, I'm morose. My good buddy, who's a comedian who, uh, he's, he's already more dour than I am in general. He's like ready to lose it all in Vegas that night. Like he's ready to like, Oh, D like giving it up. Yeah. So, so what saved, I think, you know, my, my life and, and it's just like such a small act of kindness, but the, uh, the photographer who was there. I think her name is Kristen, and, and, you know, I want to shout her out because, like, Uh, you know, she, like, we, we've ended up following each other on Instagram and she shot all the don't tell shows. She had told the bartender, and, and I wasn't there for this. The bartender told me this. The bartender was like, I want you to know. The photographer came out and said, the comics are doing well, but it's, the audience is really kind of like weird. Or like the audience is kind of letting 'em know. She's like, she, she's like, the comics are funny, like these are good comics, the audience. And I was like that. She said that to like. With without a comic there, you know, to like feel better about it and all that stuff. It's like that made my whole night better, you know, so it's like, I was so anxious for this show. I thought I was ready. I thought I did pretty well in fairness, like, and everyone did pretty well, but you're there to crush. You're there to have a life changing set though. So whenever you walk out, it's kind of lukewarm. It's you're just like, well, nothing's going to change, you know, like change my life. Um, but, but to hear that, like people in the know, we're still like, okay, that was a good set. It was an off night that made my whole night. Well, but that also, I think is something you should take away as just because the crowd isn't necessarily giving the reaction that you want. Doesn't mean that no one in the crowd is noticing your talent or noticing that you're good and you never know who's going to be there, who's going to see you. And you know, there's plenty of times that I'm sure because I, you know, I've gone to a couple of comedy shows. I'm sure there's plenty of times when, you know, I might find something really funny and be like, what is wrong with you people? You're not like, why are you not laughing and having a good time? Like you can't always account for those kinds of things. So, you know. If, if she noticed, there's probably other people in the crowd who noticed too, and you never know when, when that big next person who wants you to be the mid thirties Spider Man is gonna be the one who's in the crowd. No, it's, it's true. It's true. And so, you know, that, that's why, like, I just can't let it beat me, even if, like, I'm dying and I'm screaming on the inside. It's like, I can't, I still got to take it on the chin and smile through it. And, uh, you know, so it's like, you know, lesson learned, uh, and, you know, you just can't put all your eggs in that one basket, cause it's kind of crazy, like thinking that I had a somewhat mediocre don't tell set. And I'm like, my career is over now. I've never felt better about stuff because I have the UCB show tomorrow, you know, and now I'm like, as optimistic as I've been and, you know, plenty of other great stuff is happening. So. You know, you just can't put all your eggs in one basket or, or feel like, Oh, I had my shots and it didn't work out. So treats, you know, I crumbled back and forth. No, there's always something else coming up. There's always something on the horizon. For sure. People have short memories. You know. Yeah. That too. Do you, uh, do you have any, like, like, if you have nerves or something like that, do you have anything you do before a set before, like, probably an hour before you go out? Do you have, like, um, there's a comic I like, uh, Joey Coco Diaz. Oh, I love Joey. Yeah. Yeah. I love Joey. He's also Cuban. Oh yeah. Very Cuban. Joey Coco Diaz, your friend, Brian Bogart is here and he would like to know. I like, I so want Joey to know I exist. Put it out into the universe. We'll, we'll get it. Yeah. But like before I said he Wants to find something and he gets himself frazzled, like frustrated and pissed off or whatever. And he, and then he goes out on stage right after he like, that's how he gets out of his own head, you know? Yeah. And then if he knows, if you know your material really well, that's great. If you're going to get like frazzled and it's going to fuck up your material, then like, yeah, that's so great. You know? So yeah, that, the fact that he can do that and get in his head. You know, I feel like more McConaughey in my stand up, not like I just sit there and say my words real slow, you know, or like, that's kind of, it's kind of more of my delivery is not as less ranty. There's like maybe some theatrics to it. But yeah, I do. I do. You know, so it's like the opposite for me, whatever the opposite of getting all riled up is. That's, that's kind of my sit down, meditate for a little bit, right? Do some. Yeah. Like I always, you know, it's just comes down to breathing. Um, remember in class. Yeah, exactly. And I noticed I'm like, it's not flattering, but it's like, you know, theater and yoga breaths are like right into your belly. It makes you look fat. But Hey, if you're, if it helps you pace your standup sets, you know, who cares? Another rule of standup too, is like the moment you kill your ego. You're immediately funny the moment you've had like three good sets in a row and you're like I've crushed my last three sets Here I go killing again the moment you think you're a little bit cool You have a bad set again And then you're back at zero and then that humility makes you funny again, and then you think you're cool again And then you come crashing It's just a magnificent roller coaster that you keep riding And maybe, maybe I don't tell. I was like, I've been crushing, like, watch me crush again. And, uh, once again, we're still going to officially blame the crowd on that one, but hey, maybe that, and you were saying, you're saying like, you know, and blame the crowd or whatever. It's like every comic thinks, and to some reason, maybe they like, they should, but every comic thinks that if it wasn't a bad set, even if the crowd is bad, they could have done something and should have done something to get them back on your side. Even if you had to like, You know, break out of what your normal set was going to be, snap them back into it. Well, comics in their own way are kind of a lot like musicians. It's never good enough. It could always be better. You know what I mean? Like, cause when you play music, you get one shot at it. You can always start over, but then you look like a fucking blowjob. And then, you know, so it's like, you don't want to do that. But it's like, you mess up, and then it is what it is, you know? It's like, but I think I think the primary difference between stand up comedy and music is that people like music. And they want to go see music. And they want to show up for concerts. People fucking hate comedy. I always I always thought it was an interesting thing that A lot of comics want to be musicians and a lot of musicians want to be comics. You know what I mean? Like I thought it was such a weird thing that though they want to like trade professions quite a bit. Yeah, and like a lot of football players want to play basketball. It's like, you know, everyone, there's a grass always greener. Uh, my dear friend and like former acting teacher, her name is Miranda Luna. Her husband is Gabriel Luna. Who is in The Last of Us. He was in the newest Terminator movie. He's, he's like a literal famous actor. And, and Smaugh will put on a lot of live shows, like gave his book to all of them. All the man wants to do is play guitar and sing. He just like, he just, yeah, it's like, he's not doing a Shakespeare monologue. He just like wants to sing. Like every time I see him do a live performance, he's like singing, you know? So it's like, that's, that's like the art. So I think that's so precious. I like. This famous actor who's like known for being this like brooding leading man type is just like, so I'm going to do, you know, Brooks and Dunn, neon moon for you guys. And I'm like, I mean, that's, it is a little bit true though. Right. That idea of like the grass is always greener. You, you, we have certain kind of conditioning, I think, just as humans that we think somehow what we see externally has to be better than what we have. And it's. Like, no, they deal with all the same bullshit that you're dealing with and they're probably looking at you and looking at what you have and thinking, man, my life would be easier if I was that person. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, people are like, oh man, look at you. You're doing it. And I really don't feel like I am, you know, uh, yeah, I have, I have a lot of that going on. So you know what? No, you are doing it. It's valid. We were super excited that you said that you would be on the podcast. I was super jazzed about it. I've had a lot of fun. Yeah. You guys have been so much fun to hang out with. I mean, really good questions too. And you know, you guys, yeah, for sure. Yeah, for sure. Um, I do have a few more if we want to be respectful of your time. I don't have to be at that other mic, uh, you know, for a while, so you're good. Okay, I got a couple more. I just want to, I ask this to everybody, depending on what they do, comedy, acting, whatever. What is your comedy Mount Rushmore? Uh, oh, that's that's that's really good. Um, because we're from the Dakotas. Wink. Wink. Yeah, that's one thing. Yeah. So it's not like whenever other people like ask about Mount like your Mount Rushmore blank or you're like, that's appropriation of Dakota. It is and we're really upset about it. And if only I can ask about who's on your Mount Rushmore only we can. Unless you bring us snacks, in which case you are forgiven. In which case you can say whatever you want. That's all, that's all you need. If you bring us snacks, we're happy. Also, I feel like, I feel like no one ever asks anyone what their Mount Rushmore of, like, blank is, unless they respect their opinion on that. So, that's probably why I've never been asked that question before, so now I'm like, oh my god, this is my first Inside the Actors Studio, like, you guys. Absolutely! This is your audition for it. I don't know, I try to make it somewhat interviewee, somewhat inorganic. I try to let them kind of tell their tale and kind of hold back. When we do our solo ones, I talk way more. I'm not a weird, like, quiet guy or anything. No, and I'll say the first ones that, like, kind of come to mind. And, you know, who knows, maybe the order changes over time or there's one in, one out. But, like, here's, like, just who comes to mind and kind of, like, why I would, I will say them. And we'll start with Robin Williams, because to me, he also represents the bridge between someone who's like a phenomenal comedic talent, like as a standup, but also like an otherworldly acting talent. And this is something that no comic wants to hear from another comic is. And, but this is kind of like why I got into comedy was like, I always wanted to be an actor. And then I noticed so many of the actors of that era. Who I loved I was like, oh, they were all stand up comics like Adam Sandler, Nick Swanson. Um, like, that was like, you know, that all these. Well, I mean, look at classic SNL not ready for primetime players. They all started in like the stand up improv world and got to SNL and then went on to do the movies. And that was like content that was resonating with me. So I was like, Oh, this is what I feel like I want to do and like stuff I'd want to act in. And like, Oh, if these guys are comics, then I kind of, I have to kind of force myself to be a comic. And it was like a really rocky road. I was. I feel like I was bad at comedy for a long time because I had to like kind of unlearn some bad theater habits. You know, I came from the theater world where everyone's all cuddly. Like I said, all comics are like assholes. So it's like, I come in and I'm like, Hey guys, massage train. Not really. But like, and there's like, who's this fucking ginger, you know, coming in here trying to be cuddly with everybody. And also it's like, it's like, you know, and also when you first start. And maybe you loved Louis C. K. Uh, and I, like, maybe once upon a time I could have put him on Mount Rushmore, but we won't get into that. Yeah, right. Are you allowed to anymore? What are the rules, right? Yeah, yeah. So, but, um, he, he was like a big influence. But, like, once again, he dealt with, like, a lot of powerful shit. And if you're, like, someone who's trying to emulate him, but you don't have the language to, like, really master his stuff, it's like You can get off to a really bad foot really fast if you like are trying to quote unquote be edgy, but like you're brand new. So you don't even know how to do it right. Yeah. So it's like, once again, I there are many self inflicted wounds along the way. So anyways, Robin likes because he represents like, acting and stand up excellence. Hell, in large part two, because of his also propensity for like sketch and writing and like, is he the best actor? He's actually like a pretty good actor, but like, is he, he doesn't have to be the best actor. It's like he just delivers who he is and what he needs to, uh, in his sketches. Yeah. I mean, the Chappelle Show, that's why I love Don l Rons. It's like, love Don. I love Don Rons. Yeah. Yeah. And he's, uh, he, he's super funny and, uh, I've seen him, I saw him perform with Chappelle at the Hollywood Bowl. Uh, think like that. Oh yeah. Yeah. Um, I, I was there like two days before he got attacked. If you remember when that happened. Oh, wow. Uh, third, George Carlin. Oh, love George Carlin. Because of his perspective. Um, he's like, he has the, the comics, comic perspective. And like, it, it was like this, uh, I saw something like recently, um, he just holds a place in my heart because his world view, I think, is so transcendent. And, uh, you know, John Stewart did a tribute to him and he was like, people called Carlin, you know, like, uh, cynical, like, especially as he got older, but it's like, it's not that he's cynical. He's like, he, he loved humanity, but was disappointed by like, behind every cynic is a disappointed optimist, you know, so it's like Carlin did everything he had to do in the world. Let him down, you know? Um, so yeah, yeah. And, um, But, but Carlin is, is on the Mount Rushmore for his worldview, for his ability to reinvent himself and his longevity and that's, yeah, I, I do agree with, I agree with all those things. Those are reasons that I love Carlin too. Yeah, and uh, and my last one, and you know, maybe this one could kind of rotate, you could rotate someone here or there, but maybe just cause like, I think he's the godfather of modern comedy, and like, comedy, stand up as we know it, and as a social commentary wouldn't exist without this person. Would you have a guess, Johnny? I'm just curious. It's one of two people, it's either Richard Pryor, or um Oh, Richard Pryor is who is on my mind. Richard Pryor, or who was the second one, Johnny? Sam Kinison. Oh yeah, not, okay, yeah, not bad. Um, or, or, you know, who, who would have been a great one is Bill Hicks, but I'm going to say Richard Pryor. Um, but that, that, that is who, who is on my mind. And so like, he's just a true, true original. And, uh, you know, it's like, kind of like you wouldn't have pop music without the Beatles. It's like, I don't know if you'd have comedy as we know without Richard Pryor. I agree, and I love a lot of his, like, even his early stuff that you can find on, like, YouTube now. It's, it's really fun to go back and watch and see sort of the development, you know, over the course of his career is really, I think that for any of those comics, you know, when you can go back and like, look over the course of a career like Carlin and that kind of thing and, and see them evolve, not just in their craft, but as people and, and their career. You know, for Carlin, I think I really, I'm with you on that worldview thing and that he was able to mix that into his craft and what he did and still be very, um, very persuasive and very, you know, very clear in the messages he was, he was giving. And it's like a worldview that I just like to call the truth. And I think, like, kind of the, the funny part is. Um, prior, and I think Carlin have very similar worldviews, if not like, you know, like extremely similar, uh, but it's like their language is different, their execution's different, their joke writing's different, so, um, it's like two versions of the truth that are both like, at times maybe like, I don't know if they contradict each other, but it's like they're such different perspectives, all saying the same thing, and I think that's a really beautiful thing. Yeah, I, Carlin was In my mind, Carlin's almost as unique as, almost like a Mitch Hedberg. You know what I mean? Kind of like Mitch Hedberg was so just cut cut short. They were very much their own lane. You know what I feel like the sunglasses and all this is kind of like its own Mitch Hedberg tribute in a way. Oh, I love Mitch Hedberg. So good. So good. Yeah, and I think, you know, once again, like, could Bill Hicks and Mitch Hedberg have been like on the uh On the Mount Rushmore, too. Uh, like, yeah, it's like they're, it's just their careers were cut short, you know, and you know, if, if I'm talking about like people who I just, I love them so much, I couldn't not do comedy or like their brand of humor tickled me. Oh, so much. And like, really challenged me that that is Louis CK for me. So I'm on my route, my Mount Rushmore, but I cannot, I cannot. I, you know, I have always enjoyed, yeah, I always enjoyed Louis C. K. too, and I, yeah, everyone did, everyone does, and I know things come up that, you know, things get, like, problematic, I, I guess I am, toxic positivity is a little bit me, and I kind of think that, you know, everyone, everyone deserves an opportunity to improve. So, Be forgiven and get past things, I think, you know? Right, right. And like what does, you're not invalidating any of the people that were affected in a negative way, obviously, but, but you gotta consider his comedy is undeniable because there was a time where he was as big as Dave Chappelle, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Louis CK was as big as comedy itself. He was the guy. He was the guy. Yep. And then John Mullaney was the guy, John Mullaney. Yeah. Who I, and, and you know, it's funny, like I really loved them in order, and then they, like, they really rose to fame, like right as I was like. You know, as it's, yeah. And then, um, and then someone who I love currently, uh, Nate Bargatze, I think is a great special. The Tennessee kid I thought was a great one. And so whenever people like, who do you like? And it's and if I ever want to bring up a comic that I like and has specials out there, but I don't think a lot of people know he's super high up there. Yeah, Mark Norman finally got his shot. My buddy Ralph Barbosa, he just got his nephew. I saw the night he became a star. Um, he was touring with, uh, with a lot of, it was like some kind of latino comedian thing that was happening. And it was with chris Estrada who wrote this fool. Um, from, from Melissa Villasenor and a bunch of others, no one knew who Ralph was. So, so he put on Facebook, Hey, I'm coming to LA. If you want a comp ticket at the Laugh Factory, let me know. Um, and then, and then I go and, you know, it's like all these heavy hitters, all these no names are going one after another. Ralph is next. And like, no one knows who he is. That all changed after this night, but I knew, like, no one knew who he was, they introduced him, he comes on stage, and then he just, I don't know exactly what he says, but like, he just acknowledges how quiet the crowd was, and getting, while he was getting up there, Yeah. Oh, that's how it's gonna be. The crowd just, like, died instantly, and just never stopped laughing after that. It's like, he called them out. They loved him for it. He had him right where he wanted him and I was like, Ralph is about to blow up and that's exactly what happened. Yeah, I was going to say, I've seen, I've been seeing that name on my YouTube feed. He's been on, um, he was on the bird cast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he was on, uh, What's Up Fool. With uh, Felipe Esparza. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I was gonna say, that name sounds very familiar. I booked him, I booked him on shows in Austin. You know, he was just a local Austin comic. Like, and, but, you know, like, you know, and one obviously that I identified as being very funny, but there's so many funny people you never know who's gonna, like, who's gonna break through. And what I'll say about Ralph is like, he's just someone who I never saw have a bad set. You know, so like, how can you ignore that guy? You know what? I definitely believe that that is available to you as well. And we hope that you do not forget us when you pop off and when you are Spider Man. We would love very much to have you back. I'd love to. I'd love to come back. There's been a lot. But like one more, one more person too that I think could have been bigger than life itself is Dave Atel. I think if he pushed it, if he pushed his career, he could have been as big as Lucy. He catch he chooses not to. He chooses not to. He's very much, he's very much a New York comic. He, he's, he's in his own feels, you know, he, it's what it's, and I, I, and I love that. I, you know, I love him for that because he's being genuine, but it's like, yeah, he has, he has his place in New York and he just. I am gonna, I am gonna like, I guess I don't like just throwing shade, especially like to people who obviously like are literally impede me if like this. I don't imagine this ever servicing, but like, did you ever see bumping mites with him and Jeff Ross David telling Jeff Ross? I know, I know what you're talking about, but yeah, yeah, it's, it's a fun, it's like a three episode. They go to cities and they kind of like roast each other and they like high five their mics whenever they do. And it's just like, and Jeff Ross, you know, a lot of people accuse him of kind of building his roast empire off the labor of like kind of others. And like, maybe not. You know, kind of caring more about, like, being cool and looking cool and how he's perceived and like, maybe the the con his content and stuff like that and just And so, like, to watch Dave Attell run circles around Jeff Ross, and Jeff Ross is, like, Wearing like, affliction attire, or like, whatever the equivalent is, and I'm just like, and like, I don't know, there's rumors that like, he has this like, teenage companion or whatever, that just like, and he's like, well, we don't have sex, he's just a friend, I'm like, that's even weirder, I'd almost rather, but you know, it's like, so it's like, once again, it's like, once again, Dave goes on stage, it seems to me goes on stage and still has that same fear and doesn't think he looks cool. And, uh, still knows he's good, but, but he's like, he's always like, well, you know, what does fate have in store for me? And Jeff Ross is kind of like, you just get the thing that goes up there and he's like, I'm Jeff Ross. You love it. I'm roasting you. Let's do this. And he's like, You know, you're not a DJ with an air horn, you know, like do the fucking jokes and so like bumping mics. I want you to watch it just to like watch. If you love David, that's like what I think is best and such a microcosm of like their dynamic and obviously their friends. Dave would never say this, but as neutral third party, I'm watching and I'm like, that's what I see. Like they're really friends. Yeah, I was going to say, I'll leave you with one more question. Yeah, either. This is a, this is a question that it could be what's on it or what would be on it, but what's on your writer? My writer? Yep. I'm, forgive my ignorance. What is a writer? The comedy thing, uh, like where you have the venues. What is required when your services are, are being Oh, like, like, like my bio, like, no, like you have to have a green, you have to have a bowl of green M& M's my requirements. This is, this is the sad state of stand up comedy. Obviously, I had to ask that question. No, no, no, don't worry. We're prepping you for, for popping off, but that's also the thing is so many comics have such low standards also because it's like, For the most part, we've just seen a microphone and, uh, and a good sound system. Sometimes they even fuck that up, though. You can't have it all, right? Yeah, um, you know, it's just like, you get used to varying qualities of green room. You know, and I always say I'm not like a national touring headliner. So it's like, usually I'm a comic booked onto a show that either that headliners on, or it's a show where it's just like kind of the basic agreements. Like someone will send you the message on Instagram. Like everyone's getting paid. This sets for 10 minutes, like eight minutes or whatever. It's like my writers usually just like the Instagram message of the booking email or something like that. And but if I'm like touring. Well, and I like a featured, uh, for my friend who is headlining and he does like kind of the contracts and paperwork. So I know like he has a writer of stuff and like, I've been a benefactor of those, but I didn't see the paperwork itself. Okay. So here's, here's the bigger question then when you are big, famous Dave Chappelle, yes, when you pop off, what will you want to add to your writer? What would be on it? Yeah, yeah, you know, um, I, for snacks, I really like dried fruit, like dried mango, raw almonds. Um. So you're gonna like really be LA about it. But that's also just, but that's what I like. Sorry, I had to. No, no, no, no, no, that's fair. Like I said, I'm, I'm just a living, breathing cliche, but I've liked this stuff since I lived in Austin, which also might be an Austin cliche. But, uh, it's like, I fucking love. Like raw food and raw nuts or like, you know, uh, Can we clip that content out? I love raw nuts. Can we isolate that audio? Can we get that as a soundbite? Slow it down. Um, and then like, man, you know, there was actually one time I was like playing a mascot at an event. It was like something that my agent booked for me back in Austin. This was a number of years ago with a guy who was a Willie Nelson impersonator. And he, you know, in his rider was like a handle was a handle of Jack Daniels and he let me drink from his handle that he had backstage. And so I was like, yeah, you know, like, you know, something, a thing of whiskey or like something there. Uh, so like, I want my health food. You know, some Celsius if I want it. Depends on what time I'm getting there. I only try to drink a Celsius early in the day, right before I work out. Um, and you know, but so like maybe it wouldn't be appropriate there. But, um, yeah, and then, and then, you know, filtered water for And a protein shake, you know, something to fill me up. I think I would start asking for really weird things, like I need three crow's feet in a jar and like But that's how you know that they read it, you know, that's the logic behind it. That's, it's not because they wanted a bunch of brown M& Ms, it's because they wanted to know that they read the contract, yeah. Well, and you want to weird people out a little bit if you can, because that's kind of fun. You want to build your legends, you know, so that way in the roadie community, like, Oh my God, this Haley chick, she wanted three crow's feet. And then you're like, yeah. And then she was like lighting incense and doing some weird chanting. I don't know what was going on. And then when you see me get big and successful, you can know that I was doing some serious witchcraft. I was about to say, like, like, it'd be funny to have a pentagram requested in your rider, like, You have to draw me a pentagram of salt or I will not sit in the green room. I need to have my little protective circle. That would be hilarious, actually. The moral dilemma of someone who's like, Deeply Christian who's like working road, you know, who's working that gig and they have to draw that pentagram. There's like that right there. There's a fantastic sketch that you also need to write and put up on YouTube for me. That's really funny. Yeah, I love it. You'll probably get the roadie from Wayne's world too that had to beat the store clerk with his own shoes and steal all the brown. That's I always think about that every time like a bloody fangled tiger. Yeah, I think about that. Or Ozzy wouldn't go on stage. So good. Well, thank you. I do want to wrap up and make sure that you get to your open mic night. So go ahead and plug any of your stuff. You know, where can people find you? What you have coming up? Let the audience know. Yeah. Um, you can find, first of all, find me on Instagram cause I always post details to my shows. It's Brian. B R I A N dot Bogart. B O G A R T. I have a podcast with my cousin, Guantanamo Bays. It's a Cuban cousin, Kiki. Um, and that's Bays. B A E S. Yeah, we're the Guantanamo Bays. Uh, this, you know, we'll already have this show, but yeah, we have our spank at Upright Citizens Brigade. Um, tomorrow at 7 p. m. L. A. time, and if they, if they pick us up, I'll keep you guys updated on, uh, you know, when, when that show's recurring, and, um, you know, if I'm doing stand up around you, come find me, and, uh, I'd love to meet y'all. Awesome. Love it. Thank you so much. Well, I have been Haley. And I've been Johnny and that's been Brian, Brian. I've been Brian. And this has been Johnny Haley Brian day of fun. Day of fun. Yay. Thanks so much for listening. I'll do check out all the links below in the description where you can find Brian. We're going to share all your stuff below and check us out and get on our Patreon support us so that, you know, we can pop off too, and we can all hang out and have really weird writers. Sweet. 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