There is so much out there to get mad about. Social injustices, class warfare, continued
Speaker:colonization, the act of destruction of our planet by those focused on prophets and not
Speaker:people. We can find it overwhelming at times. The good news is there are equally as many,
Speaker:if not more, stories of people coming together and rising up against the forces at play. So
Speaker:the creators of Blueprints of Disruption have added a new weekly segment, Ravel Rants, where
Speaker:we will unpack the stories that have us most riled up, share calls to action, and most importantly,
Speaker:celebrate resistance.
Speaker:So we're back in the studio and normally we have a slew of stories that Santiago and I
Speaker:pitch back and forth, things we want to talk about, things we're upset about. And this week
Speaker:there is really only one thing on our mind and that is Palestine. So in this rabble rant,
Speaker:we're going to give a few updates. You have to go back to our previous episode to get a
Speaker:fuller perspective on the conflict itself, but it's the global reactions, the media reactions,
Speaker:and the political reactions that we're really gonna respond to here as well as give an update
Speaker:as best we can on the current situation. So right now Israel is herding Palestinians into
Speaker:the south of Gaza. They've ordered the north to evacuate. Many, many, many people have attested
Speaker:that this is absolutely unreasonable, unaccomplishable and not acceptable. While they're doing this,
Speaker:they're continually bombarding the areas, both North and South Gaza. There is no ceasefire
Speaker:in the South. They simply are preparing to move in with a ground force in the North that will
Speaker:surely escalate the casualties that we've seen so far. And those are 2,670 Palestinians as
Speaker:of about Monday morning Eastern time. Fifty-two percent of those are women and children. And
Speaker:again, these numbers are going to rise because the hospitals that are there, that are running
Speaker:at an extremely limited capacity, they are running low now on staff, supplies, water and fuel.
Speaker:Right? This is just to keep the lights on because the electricity has been cut off and no humanitarian
Speaker:aid is being allowed into the Gaza Strip. The normally apolitical Red Cross has even come
Speaker:out with a pretty political statement for them. You know, they first state the obvious, that
Speaker:life-saving aid must be allowed into Gaza and all parties must ensure the civilian population
Speaker:has access to shelter, food, health, hygiene and safety. If the parties cannot meet these
Speaker:obligations, they must allow and facilitate the passage of humanitarian relief. They say
Speaker:parties, they mean Israel. Israel has controlled the conditions in Gaza for decades. It is them
Speaker:that are withholding supplies and it is them that are preventing humanitarian aid. They
Speaker:go on to say the Red Cross, the horrific attacks Israel suffered cannot in turn justify the
Speaker:limitless destruction of Gaza. And I wish it was limited to Israel trying to make these
Speaker:correlations that somehow the atrocities that happened upon them can now be revisited on
Speaker:the people of Gaza and the amount of people backing them up. We'll go over that later when
Speaker:we talk about global reactions. It's not everybody. They want to make it seem like it's everybody,
Speaker:but surely we can still be disappointed in the amount of both the powerful and the grassroots
Speaker:that seemingly have nothing to say on the genocide that's being a- visited upon Gazans. That isn't
Speaker:to say there isn't violence in other places either. Israel has fired upon the airports
Speaker:in Aleppo, as well as skirmishes along the Lebanese border. They also fired upon Damascus, I believe,
Speaker:no? The airport in Damascus? Right, okay, so, yeah. Aleppo and Damascus both suffered missile
Speaker:strikes from Israel and massive amount of ground troops are accumulating, Israeli ground troops
Speaker:are accumulating at the Lebanon border in anticipation of, I imagine, Hezbollah's reaction.
Speaker:Now. This evacuation is so disingenuous, to give 24 hours, which they have now extended,
Speaker:for such a densely populated area steeped in poverty and destruction to evacuate essentially
Speaker:to nowhere. None of the borders are open. At least Egypt says, Israel says Egypt's border
Speaker:should be open, Egypt's border is not open. Who knows what's actually happening there?
Speaker:The reality is people in Gaza cannot leave. And so now they're asking them to go to the
Speaker:south of Gaza, where again, there has not been a ceasefire. So what you're seeing is Israel
Speaker:is annexing the north of Gaza right before our eyes and quite legitimately according to most
Speaker:world powers.
Speaker:I think the pleas are pathetic to Israel to show mercy. The Red Cross statement is important,
Speaker:but the reality is they want them to starve. They don't want aid, and this is a tactic of
Speaker:war that has been normalized over and over again, the starving, the sanctioning of peoples until
Speaker:the powers get the political allegiance that they need. They have been doing this to people
Speaker:in Gaza for decades, albeit slowly. They control those conditions. They have been starving them.
Speaker:We have all seen that shrinking map, right? That's lessening of space, of rights, of hope,
Speaker:the exiling of families, the lack of clean drinking water. We've seen the stats on life expectancy.
Speaker:There is nothing really new about this siege on Gaza except for the speed and the voraciousness
Speaker:in which it's being done, and the fact that the world is actually paying attention right
Speaker:now. When it happened slowly, I think people lost interest. And so we're not allowed to
Speaker:bring that up when we're talking about the attacks by Hamas, because people, it blended in, it
Speaker:was normal. It was part of the way of life for people in Palestine. Now, I think people are
Speaker:starting to see just how heartless this Israeli regime is. And there's been several moments
Speaker:from this evacuation that have really captured international attention. One of them being
Speaker:that a convoy of three, I think it was three trucks carrying dozens of people along the
Speaker:main highway from north to south was bombed in a in this airstrike as it was evacuating
Speaker:people and tons of people were killed. And from what I'm hearing in reports, from news outlets
Speaker:such as the BBC now are actually reporting this. It was then bombed the second time as the rescuers
Speaker:were attempting to help people, as there was ambulances. There's been many recorded instances
Speaker:so far of members of the Red Cross and paramedics and firefighters and people who are simply
Speaker:there for rescuing, who have been killed in these strikes. These strikes have been quite
Speaker:indiscriminate. And these are, these are of course, war crimes. What we're seeing at war
Speaker:crimes unfolding. And all of this is now beginning to be verified by international media. It's
Speaker:something that is quite undeniable. They're confirming these events in real time. It is
Speaker:before last time we recorded, we, I mean, we knew, we knew because it's pretty easy to identify
Speaker:that white phosphorus was being used in Gaza, but it hadn't been confirmed Now it's been
Speaker:confirmed that white phosphorus is being used to target civilians. White phosphorus, for
Speaker:those who don't know, it is combustible upon contact. It's flammable, so it burns the skin.
Speaker:It burns people. It's essential. It's what it is, is a war crime. It's not allowed to be
Speaker:used in civilian spaces. directly hitting buildings with white phosphorus, because their goal is
Speaker:no survivors. And that's exactly what's happening. And sorry, I was just wanting to scream over
Speaker:top of you. Like at the same time, the US Secretary of State statement is that Israel respects
Speaker:international law. Like that is some real or willian shit. The amount of disinformation
Speaker:and messed up narratives that are out there. To have like... The top people standing there
Speaker:and just spouting pure garbage like that while we're watching the white phosphorus rain down
Speaker:is absolutely unreal. But there are no survivors in some families. The Palestinian Health Ministry
Speaker:has dozens and dozens, it was 45 I believe the last time I checked, families that had been
Speaker:entirely removed from their civil registry. There are no next of kin. We had a guest on
Speaker:two episodes ago. before this all unfolded and gotta. We're going to get into what Gada did
Speaker:at the NDP convention. But we saw her tweet out, I believe just yesterday, that she had
Speaker:lost over 40 members of her family recently in Gaza at the hands of Israeli missiles. This
Speaker:is the case for so many people. We're seeing it. I see it all over the place. People talking
Speaker:about the devastation. back in Gaza of friends of relatives being killed. It's, I don't think
Speaker:anybody who lives in, I don't think there's any Palestinians out there who are untouched
Speaker:by this at this point. It's, the scope of this is so massive. I don't know what the number
Speaker:is now because a few days ago, it was 6,000 bombs that had been dropped. I am sure it's.
Speaker:which is more than the US dropped in Afghanistan in a single year. I saw a number recently that
Speaker:shows that actually more children have been killed now by Israeli bombings than apparently
Speaker:than children have been killed in Ukraine in the entire war. We drew parallels to that conflict
Speaker:last week when we were talking about this and the people that continue to be at seemingly
Speaker:most vocal against Palestinian resistance are still flying Ukrainian flags in their bio.
Speaker:And it serves to mention that there are reportedly over a hundred Israeli hostages still within
Speaker:Gaza that the Israeli state doesn't seem to give a shit about either. I've seen testaments
Speaker:from Israelis where the media are not emphasizing the hostages, that they have become almost
Speaker:an acceptable tragedy in itself, collateral damage that they're willing to absorb in their
Speaker:quest for revenge. One of the things... that really upset us last week and when it was really
Speaker:raw, I think I've steeled myself against this at this point, is the...
Speaker:amplified shock and horror and grief that occurred in the immediate aftermath of the Hamas attack
Speaker:on Israel.
Speaker:It is very typical on how we react to acts of terrorism visited upon Western nations, because
Speaker:one just has to keep on top of the news, even just a little bit to know that these acts of
Speaker:war, these acts of terror on civilians, because if you are a civilian, it doesn't matter the
Speaker:political surroundings around you. If you were shot and killed, if you have a bomb dropped
Speaker:on you, that is nothing but terror. However, it goes way beyond the borders of Palestine
Speaker:and Gaza now. The hatred that has come from that knee-jerk reaction that was the same reaction
Speaker:that we had to 9-11 that allowed us to have anti-Arab laws, that allowed us to have secret
Speaker:courts to round up brown folks in Canada, spy on them without cause, the amount of rights
Speaker:that we restricted specifically. to Arab people in response to that is exactly what we're seeing
Speaker:unfold with Palestinian Canadians, Americans, and folks around the globe. And it's what we
Speaker:warned against when you said we couldn't speak about Palestine in that wake, that we couldn't
Speaker:advocate for free Palestine until we had fully recognized the grief of Israelis. And as a
Speaker:result, in that time, the demonization that has occurred has held. There were horrible
Speaker:stories that went around in the first bit that have not been verified, even according to the
Speaker:IDF itself. I don't even want to repeat the words that were used. They're horrific and
Speaker:they were used to absolutely inflame emotions. And the result has been not just the silencing
Speaker:of voices that we really did get into last time, but actual violence being visited upon people
Speaker:because they are Palestinian or because they're supporting Palestine. Right? So we have video
Speaker:from St. John's Newfoundland of someone. Yelling, I stand with Israel as they swing a backpack
Speaker:into the heads of protesters. That guy even went online, found these people, continues
Speaker:to harass them, unabated. A Montreal woman, I'm sure folks have seen the footage of her
Speaker:ramming the car of a Tunisian woman who was flying a Palestinian flag out of her car, yelling
Speaker:at her that she should be assaulted sexually in front of her children. And then of course...
Speaker:Just the other day, we hear about a six-year-old Palestinian boy in the United States stabbed
Speaker:to death by their landlord while he screamed anti-Muslim, anti-Arab, anti-Palestinian statements
Speaker:at him and his mother. Stabbed 29 times. that takes a level of hatred. that is so difficult
Speaker:to imagine having against a child. That's in the US. That was in Illinois. I believe it
Speaker:was in Chicago or a suburb of Chicago. Right? Which is not far from us. That is so unimaginable.
Speaker:And this comes back to the anger we felt when we saw the initial reactions from politicians
Speaker:in Canada, from media in Canada, who were like, we will not stand for any anti-Semitism. And,
Speaker:you know, the police are monitoring this and that, like the statements from Olivia Chow.
Speaker:Meanwhile, there was no mention of any potential Islamophobia, any potential consequence, any
Speaker:hate crimes. been people have been defacing masks and this like this is the consequences
Speaker:of that hatred going completely unchecked. I want to explain a little bit more why I draw
Speaker:that correlation between those who wouldn't allow us to provide context for the Hamas attacks.
Speaker:That meant we were celebrating, condoning every vicious act that may have or may not have been
Speaker:committed by Hamas upon civilians. There was no even verification of details at that time.
Speaker:But we weren't allowed to say, yeah, but the occupation causes this violence. This is inevitable
Speaker:when you treat people this way. We weren't allowed to say that and because we weren't allowed
Speaker:to say that, even though we were, Hamas, although what they did on paper is horrific to the families,
Speaker:it's horrific. They're not monsters. You can't frame them as monsters without context. In
Speaker:the same way we don't declare every soldier that fights for the United States, despite
Speaker:their war crimes, despite their erasing a million Iraqi people as monsters, they are human beings.
Speaker:All right. And they are in situations, much of them out of their control. And Hamas is
Speaker:the only armed resistance that the people of Gaza have against a vicious, murderous occupation
Speaker:that has been deemed illegal by Israel, that we have been told they have the right to armed
Speaker:resistance. But now all of a sudden, that's being removed from us because we can't say
Speaker:Hamas is good. I don't know if there is a power out there with arms that is genuinely good.
Speaker:at this moment in time. I don't know what a revolution looks like for me. That is a struggle.
Speaker:But they are all the people of Gaza have between them and the snipers on the wall and the embargoes
Speaker:and the starvation and the missiles and the Iron Dome. That's it. That's all they have
Speaker:because the world has turned their back on them. The world does not. They provide aid, but they
Speaker:don't provide weapons. They don't provide the means to fight a traditional war whatsoever.
Speaker:And they've trapped these people for 75 years. It's funny how the line we draw is state sponsored
Speaker:military, like state militaries, right? Like we somehow understand that, right? Like I think
Speaker:of like, you know, the criticisms of Russia. They're all thrown at Putin, right? Like they're
Speaker:all thrown at those in power. But you don't hear people like attacking the Russian soldiers
Speaker:in the same way as they attack Hamas, right? And I think that that's interesting, right?
Speaker:Because there's some sort, like in our heads for some reason, if people are, if armies belong
Speaker:to a nation, then we understand it. Why? Why is that where we draw the line? It makes no
Speaker:sense to me. It's all brutality. Well, I think for us, it comes back. When I say us, I mean
Speaker:people living in Canada that we are in a settler nation state. And we've spent our whole lives
Speaker:under systems that only legitimize state violence. This is what police are, right? This is what
Speaker:the celebration of military violence is all about. you need to legitimize that the state
Speaker:has the only right to violence. It's pivotal in controlling your people and in existing
Speaker:as a nation state, like that is essentially the definition of the nation state who holds
Speaker:the legitimate use of force. But I have talked about this book before, but not in context
Speaker:of this situation. There's a book by Chris Hedges called War is a Force that Gives Us Meaning.
Speaker:And it's not how it sounds, because it's not actually an argument for that in a positive
Speaker:way. The book reads as a real internal struggle of Hedges himself, weighing pacifism versus
Speaker:armed struggle and the pitfalls that come with both. You know? You ought to imagine you are
Speaker:in a situation, generational situation, that your children are now growing up into, of unimaginable
Speaker:violence and lack of hope being brought on you. And every peaceful avenue, we go into our last
Speaker:episode of how many times, how many different tactics have been used to try to free Palestine
Speaker:from the occupation, and all have failed. And the situation is now worsening. A far-right
Speaker:government is enacted, their views on Palestinians are clear, they are there to wipe you out.
Speaker:That is obvious now. We all know that now that Israel is completely willing to wipe out Gaza.
Speaker:They always have been. But now the mask is completely off. We all know that to be true. So imagine
Speaker:living, that is your enemy. That is the mentality that you've always known your enemy has had,
Speaker:because that is how they've treated you from day one. And those are the stories that have
Speaker:been passed down for generations. You have been born into this. You need to find a way out.
Speaker:You have the right to arm resistance just as every other occupation has. And so you need
Speaker:to find guns. You need to find people to use weapons who know how to fight. You need somebody
Speaker:like that if that situation arises. And no, that's not advocating for violence. It's just
Speaker:the reality.
Speaker:they may not fully agree with. And this is what's born from it. Quite often that complicates
Speaker:the matter afterwards. You are stuck with powers that don't respect human life. Sometimes the
Speaker:act of war changes you in itself. How you value a single life isn't the same as when you entered
Speaker:the war. But what happens if you're born into war? What if you're born into occupation and
Speaker:your occupiers have never shown an ounce of value for your human life or those around you.
Speaker:How do you see them then? We can stand back as settlers and be like, I would never do that.
Speaker:What would you do then? What would you do? I don't wanna hear what you wouldn't do because
Speaker:it's so easy to be like, oh, I would never shoot a civilian. It's funny though. It's funny because
Speaker:people say all the things that they wouldn't do. Bullshit, bullshit because we're seeing
Speaker:it play out in live time, right? I'm not going to mince my words here. Netanyahu is a fascist.
Speaker:The government of Israel is a fascist government. What we're seeing now is one of the most clear
Speaker:cut examples of fascism I have seen in modern times. The way that they do propaganda is fascist.
Speaker:The narratives that they say is fascist. The fact that anybody, any Israeli citizens, who
Speaker:harm national morale, they're saying that they will imprison them and possibly even seize
Speaker:their property, is fascist. They have police going around and checking people's phones and
Speaker:if you're posting in support of Palestine, they're arresting you. That's fascism. What we're seeing
Speaker:in Israel is fascism. And people always talk about what they would have done in face of
Speaker:fascism. What we're seeing in now. We're seeing it now. We're seeing what people would do.
Speaker:So you don't have to ask yourself what you would or would not do right now. You're showing us
Speaker:what you would or would not do. Absolutely. And fuck like it made like, I, I hate, I hate
Speaker:violence personally. I, I come from my heritage is of two countries whose history has been
Speaker:defined by violence, Colombia and Lebanon, you know, On the one hand, my dad grew up with
Speaker:bombs dropping on his head. Well, my mom grew up with car bombs. She still talks to me about
Speaker:seeing a mushroom cloud engulf Bogota from a bomb that was so powerful that it created a
Speaker:mushroom cloud. I have heard the stories of all of the killings in Colombia, senseless.
Speaker:All of the violence that came from that. I, this is not. I detest this. Am I going to go
Speaker:say though that everybody in Colombia should have always been nonviolent? No, because you
Speaker:know what? How many environmentalist activists in Colombia who very often are nonviolent,
Speaker:because often environmentalists are nonviolent. There's long been a connection between the
Speaker:environmentalist movement and nonviolent. Well, more environmentalist activists are killed
Speaker:in Colombia than anywhere else. The current vice president of Colombia, an indigenous woman,
Speaker:an Afro-indigenous woman who was and is an environmentalist activist, has had multiple assassination attempts
Speaker:against This is the reality. And I actually, like I need to speak on this for a second too,
Speaker:a connection there. And I'll elaborate later on in this episode a bit further. But there
Speaker:is a connection between the IDF and Colombia that people don't really know about. But the
Speaker:IDF has trained both paramilitaries and the actual army of Colombia. in tactics against
Speaker:fighting revolutionaries. Paramilitaries that have gone and wiped out villages in Colombia,
Speaker:paramilitaries that have committed all kinds of crimes against humanity. The most brutal
Speaker:paramilitary forces.
Speaker:They were trained by the IDF. They're armed by Israeli weapons. There has long been, during
Speaker:uprisings in Colombia, like a couple of years ago. Israel was talking about the support and
Speaker:talking about how they've trained the army to respond to this. And those tactics were used
Speaker:in suppressing the population who were rising up against the conditions.
Speaker:This is on the other side of the world from Israel. There's no real connection that there
Speaker:should be between Colombia and Israel. So when I look at Colombia and I think of like nonviolence,
Speaker:it's like, well, what are they supposed to do? Because nonviolence, what it does is it gives
Speaker:a monopoly on violence to the state. It's allowing yourself to be brutalized, your people to be
Speaker:brutalized. And until you've been in those conditions, until you've seen the hopelessness, you cannot
Speaker:tell someone that they can't be violent because you know what the violence is? Poverty is violence.
Speaker:Not having water, that's violent. Not having food to eat, that's violent. Having bombs rain
Speaker:over your head and not knowing whether or not you're about to be buried by your own house,
Speaker:if your own house is your coffin, that's violence. If people grew up under these conditions, they
Speaker:live their whole life under these conditions. What do you expect them to think of violence?
Speaker:You think that they're just going to sit here and turn the other cheek and just allow themselves
Speaker:to be continuously wiped out and wiped out? Because you know what? You know what happens
Speaker:in these situations is all of those people, all of the ones who attempt all the peaceful
Speaker:ways, well, they get killed. Over. and over and over again. And it's almost like you're
Speaker:creating the conditions that create a more almost natural selection towards violence, because
Speaker:it's the violent ones that survive. So what are you left with? We can't, like we need to
Speaker:have some perspective here because I don't believe there's ever a situation where it's justified
Speaker:to be killing civilians. Absolutely not. But what are the conditions here that we are creating?
Speaker:And we are complicit in this. We allow this. We've been celebrating this. The Nakba was
Speaker:violent. Right? Like when Palestinian villages were erased from the map, that was violent.
Speaker:How many of those people did not fight back? How many villages were just destroyed with
Speaker:only one side of violence?
Speaker:What it's crazy that sorry, but it's crazy that people frame this as a war as Though there
Speaker:are two nation states here with equal forces fighting one another and we just both need
Speaker:them to stop That perspective you're talking about or context. That's what was trying to
Speaker:be erased Jerry Jeremy Appel wrote a great piece recently called eyeless in Gaza. Of course,
Speaker:it's going to be linked here in the show notes. And I'm just gonna read a quote there from
Speaker:the very beginning. You don't need to come, so although we've given you many updates, Jeremy
Speaker:tells us that you don't need to keep up to date with every single alleged atrocity to know
Speaker:one simple truth. The violence needs to end immediately and its root causes must be addressed.
Speaker:We cannot let context become a casualty in the fog of war. Propaganda's purpose exasperated
Speaker:by social media algorithms that promote the most inflammatory claims is to draw people
Speaker:to the conclusion that the violence must escalate immediately. He's explaining why it's so important
Speaker:there to provide the context to the violence that we're seeing and not simply just to react
Speaker:to it. And that a cessation of This violence, like these missiles and these attacks, is not
Speaker:an end to the violence itself. The violence is the occupation. This is part of that occupation,
Speaker:part and parcel. So ending this doesn't really do anything except allow humanitarian aid into
Speaker:whatever is left of Gaza. But that surely can't be the end of it.
Speaker:un-interviolence need to start actually thinking about what does that look like? What does non-violence
Speaker:look like here? If non-violence is the erasure of Gaza, if non-violence is the complete colonization
Speaker:of Palestine, is that what we're willing to accept here? Is non-violence... Yes. But yeah,
Speaker:I mean, because that's the most likely ask here. And I mean, people also need to like, this
Speaker:also, this is not how like, we also need to understand the region a bit for a second, right?
Speaker:Because what's going to happen if Israel launches a ground invasion on Gaza? Well, it's looking
Speaker:like in all likelihood, Hezbollah will then launch an invasion of northern Israel. That's
Speaker:what is from Lebanon.
Speaker:Do we have any idea what that would look like? The violence that that'll bring? I mean, Hezbollah
Speaker:is the most armed, trained and powerful militia anywhere in the world. Last time they went
Speaker:to war against Israel, was it in 2008? My years, it's 2005, 2008, something like that. It landed
Speaker:in a stalemate and Hezbollah was outnumbered 10 to 1. When Hezbollah went to war against
Speaker:ISIS, They absolutely obliterated them. It wasn't even close, because Hezbollah is that much
Speaker:more well-armed and well-trained. This is a militia that's more powerful than most countries'
Speaker:militaries.
Speaker:Do we understand what that would look like for them to go to war against the state of Israel?
Speaker:And there's also context there because Israel had an 18-year occupation of the south of Lebanon.
Speaker:Israel has gone to war against Lebanon in the past. This is, and I, sorry, there's a siren,
Speaker:just gonna let that pass. I speak from a... Where I'm coming from here, like I acknowledged
Speaker:last episode, my family are Maronite Christians who, during the 1985 war which led to the occupation,
Speaker:it was Maronite Christians were on the side of the IDF. They sided with the IDF in that
Speaker:war, just for some personal context here, which I condemn. And... So this is also not just
Speaker:some, like people like to just say, ah, this is Iran's doing, they're a tool of Iran. No,
Speaker:they're not. Hezbollah, and for the, like I have my criticisms of Hezbollah, as anyone
Speaker:knows. Hezbollah is truthfully part of the Lebanese government. Until recently, they held a majority
Speaker:in the Lebanese government. They... provide social services for the regions under their
Speaker:control, mostly in the, I forget the name of the valley, but there's a fertile valley close
Speaker:to the border of Syria and in the south of Lebanon.
Speaker:This is pretty much a government is what they are. And so what we're looking at here... through
Speaker:this escalation of violence, it's just more violence. And what that would look like, it
Speaker:might bring in Western powers who will then provide backing and funds. And I don't know
Speaker:if the West will actually invade. I don't know if Iran will then invade. I don't know how
Speaker:far the escalation of this goes. But the question is, like, in the face of this, I mean, it feels
Speaker:like I feel like we're looking at the Iraq War, like the days before the Iraq War, we're looking
Speaker:at, you know, this has historical precedent. this moment has historical precedent. Do we
Speaker:really? Is that the future we want? Is that what we want to allow? For what? For what?
Speaker:I think that's why it's so important to continue the shift in narrative, right, to push through
Speaker:because it will matter. If we allow them to manufacture consent around this type of response,
Speaker:not only will it set a precedent for future actions of Israel and what other... state actors
Speaker:might try. But like Santiago says, it's this powder keg of tension now in the Middle East
Speaker:with a lot more players than simply Hamas and Israel. And we know Israel's perfectly aware
Speaker:of that from the bombs that they've dropped on Lebanon and Syria.
Speaker:There was a group of journalists reporting out of south of Lebanon who were targeted, one
Speaker:of them killed. And one of the worst parts about that, that particular case that you're talking
Speaker:about there is the agency's refusal to outright name Israel as the state who, the actor responsible
Speaker:for the journalist's death. It was from a missile that came from the area of Israel. And there
Speaker:is a lot of media responses that are playing into this manufactured consent that we're seeing
Speaker:happen where, again, we know most people don't agree with. the act, most of the actions of
Speaker:the state of Israel, they don't agree with the occupation. They understand its apartheid,
Speaker:except it's, it, if one were to simply read the CBC or listen to Justin Trudeau or maybe
Speaker:even sit down on an NDP convention would think that everybody thinks that this is fine, that
Speaker:this is understandable. And I mean, even when you look at Justin Trudeau's statement, most
Speaker:recent statement on Palestine, He mints his words, but we hear things like, I'm deeply
Speaker:concerned about the humanitarian crisis. Like, refuses to name the perpetrators and refuses
Speaker:to shame Israel for its actions. Biden has urged a little bit of caution, not publicly. Apparently
Speaker:that's gone through the back channels and we're all supposed to know about it. So even Biden
Speaker:is urging caution, although while arming them. Canada is just deeply concerned about the humanitarian
Speaker:crisis. Like a lack of water, it already was a humanitarian crisis. This is now genocide.
Speaker:And there's a real lack of willingness for folks to say that word and respond accordingly. Now
Speaker:let's talk about that manufactured consent. Let's talk about that narrative for a second
Speaker:because whenever we're approaching war, whenever, especially something on this scale. Well, the
Speaker:media plays a huge role, a huge role in how the public responds to that. Now, myself being
Speaker:in journalism school, one thing that you hear a lot being said over and over again is like,
Speaker:we have to report neutrally. We have to report neutrally. We have to, and... I can't help
Speaker:but have one quote play over and over again in my head from Archbishop Desmond Tutu, the
Speaker:South African anti-apartheid activist. If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you
Speaker:have chosen the side of the oppressor. because that's what neutrality is. It benefits the
Speaker:oppressor. And that is what we have seen over and over again repeat during these times. And
Speaker:worse, worse yet, is that oftentimes these media networks are actually not at all neutral. They
Speaker:preach neutrality, but then you get every look at the Globe and Mail where every single opinion
Speaker:article written has been on the side of Israel, every single one of them. Look at the headlines
Speaker:running in the national post where, you know what, I need to pull this up because there
Speaker:was a front page of the national post that was so egregious. that one second it won't take
Speaker:me long to find it.
Speaker:Unless it does take me long. I'm gonna just google that. I'm gonna search up national posts
Speaker:on On twitter. Sorry. This is so important. I need to
Speaker:It's okay.
Speaker:So here was the headline, the front page of the National Post, a war of the entire civilized
Speaker:world against savagery. Tell me that's not real.
Speaker:Man, I had some really egregious examples in my notes and in my head, but that really fucking
Speaker:takes the cake. And you know, we've seen like talking heads, like folks within their bio
Speaker:bragging about working for the BBC, fucking doctors, openly calling for genocide.
Speaker:So you're also not allowed to have counter voices at all. And we have historical precedent here.
Speaker:We can see that over and over again, over the course of history, we've seen that every single
Speaker:Canadian media network has been in the favor of war, has always sided with war. This is
Speaker:irresponsible. This is so irresponsible. And so with them controlling this narrative, we've
Speaker:also seen how politicians have been doing the same. Like everybody is united. And what happens
Speaker:then is that if you're going and you're speaking to sources from Israel, who are sources from
Speaker:the IDF, or who are Zionists hell-bent on genocide, well, they're saying the quiet part out loud,
Speaker:and we're seeing it more and more. They're saying the quiet part out loud. They're calling for
Speaker:genocide. in those words, in genocide.
Speaker:And this is being broadcast live around the world. And more and more, because the reality
Speaker:is, and Noam Chomsky speaks of this in Manufacturing Consent, the reality is that journalists are
Speaker:not being pulled into back rooms and told, this is what you need to talk about. That's not
Speaker:how it works. Sometimes it's how it works. Unless you're an NDP MPP and you get a fucking memo
Speaker:from Merit Styles, just, you know, from her chief of staff telling you absolutely under
Speaker:no circumstances can you attend a protest for this crisis or make any statements that aren't
Speaker:approved by us. And we will not approve any statements that don't completely fit what the
Speaker:leader has already said. And that's interesting. Yeah, like absolutely. The NDP. It's very close,
Speaker:but in media it's not supposed to be. And it usually is, and occasionally it is, you know,
Speaker:I've heard stories. But for the most part, what it is, is the selection of journalists. Like
Speaker:if you say one thing and they like it, you get promotions. If you say the other thing, they
Speaker:don't like it, you get pulled off air, you know? So what we're getting right now is a lot of
Speaker:situations for journalists who actually haven't been dissonant in the past. When they hear,
Speaker:because we do have an education system that teaches against fascism. You know, everybody
Speaker:grew up learning about Nazi Germany. In an authoritarian institution, though. Yeah. So a lot of journalists
Speaker:are now, they're talking to sources who are calling for genocide. And they're like, whoa,
Speaker:wait a minute. You know, you're seeing it live around the world. Journalists being like, whoa,
Speaker:hold on. Hold on. What are we talking about here? Yeah, there's some live interviews that
Speaker:people need to watch where there's some BBC reporters really, they say the quiet part out
Speaker:loud and the talking head that they're grilling just simply nods. Yep, that's exactly that's
Speaker:war. And so it's interesting because that very institution isn't in a way it's unraveling.
Speaker:We're seeing the harsh narratives of the first few days is beginning to unravel. Part of the
Speaker:reason has been and has been that The sheer force of Palestinian advocacy has been beyond
Speaker:what I would have expected. And I'm really enjoying watching it. And part of it has been on an
Speaker:international level. there has been a show of solidarity for Palestine because this issue
Speaker:is bigger than, it's reaching people beyond just the current moment. It is representative
Speaker:of a struggle of oppression, oppressor versus oppressed around the world. And there's a lot
Speaker:of people who can relate to it. I mentioned earlier, I mentioned earlier Colombia with
Speaker:the paramilitary and the military being trained by the IDF. Well, One of those revolutionaries
Speaker:in Colombia who were victimized by the paramilitaries is now president Gustavo Petro. And he put
Speaker:forward one of the greatest possible statements. He's actually let me just pull this up because
Speaker:I'm not going to paraphrase. If we have to suspend foreign relations with Israel, we will suspend
Speaker:them. We do not support genocides. I call on Latin America to show real solidarity with
Speaker:Colombia, and if they're not capable, it will be the development of history that will have
Speaker:the last word.
Speaker:He speaks on, he uses the word genocide. He talks about the history of oppression and the
Speaker:solidarity that all Latin America should have because they have been constantly, every single
Speaker:Latin American nation has been on the other side of this. And it's not just Gustavo Perto.
Speaker:Lula has made similar comments. We've seen Ireland, of course, Ireland, who has who has always
Speaker:been an ally to Palestine because they share that history of oppression has been standing
Speaker:in favor. We've seen South Africa who themselves had an apartheid state. Will the president
Speaker:of prime minister, I forget of South Africa is now coming out, condemning Israel calling
Speaker:it an apartheid state and showing solidarity for Palestine. We're seeing around the world
Speaker:this happened. And now I'm also seeing cases where. The Minister of Social Justice in Spain
Speaker:is saying that the Spanish government should bring
Speaker:members of the Israeli government before the International Criminal Court because of war
Speaker:crimes. This is massive. And then as well, there's a Jewish organization, sorry, there's a...
Speaker:a Palestinian organization in the UK that threatened to bring members of the UK government forward
Speaker:for complicity in war crimes. And now what happened immediately is that they changed their messaging
Speaker:and we're seeing the messaging changed. People who the first day were saying stuff like, we
Speaker:support Israel's right to defend themselves are now condemning war crimes and now saying
Speaker:that humanitarian aid must be allowed. It's working in real time. And I'm seeing people
Speaker:who... never spoke up about these things, are speaking more and more. The narrative is switching.
Speaker:Young people are, I'm seeing it all over the place. The Instagram stories are all speaking
Speaker:on the war crimes. They're all speaking on the brutality. We're seeing it change. We're seeing
Speaker:the media lose control of the narrative. Why? Because it's really fucking hard to defend
Speaker:literal fascism that's not even pretending to be anything else. They're not being slick with
Speaker:it. They're just saying the quiet part out loud, and people are saying, hey, that's horrible.
Speaker:That's horrible. You cannot do that.
Speaker:Let's talk a little more about the resistance to the initial narratives and that pushback,
Speaker:that unrelenting Palestinian solidarity that we are rightfully seeing. So in Canada this
Speaker:weekend and, you know, as soon as it happened, but in particular last weekend that just passed,
Speaker:there were lots of solidarity rallies. Hamilton, Mississauga, Victoria, Edmonton, Ottawa had
Speaker:an amazing showing. I was at a little rally in Barrie, Ontario, where a communist comrade
Speaker:of mine runs the Communist Barrie Party, Michael Spears, and I think it just spoke to the need
Speaker:for people to do something, say something, and keep making space for other people to continue
Speaker:their fight against the occupation, because not just a cessation. of the violence that's
Speaker:occurring now, but a complete end to the occupation and not ceding any ground in that regard. We
Speaker:were told right at the beginning, context doesn't matter. You don't do an eye for an eye, even
Speaker:though that's what's happening in response. You can't say that, you can't defend that.
Speaker:But I think we spent a lot of time proving that context is important and that the Palestinian
Speaker:diaspora who we've had. Members of it on the show before explained in great detail the efforts
Speaker:that they've gone through to organize over the years, make connections, to mobilize, to tell
Speaker:those stories over and over again so that although Palestine feels like on the other side of the
Speaker:planet, there's so many of us that feel a kinship with the Palestinian story because of the work
Speaker:those activists have done for so long. And when- They needed. That work has been difficult.
Speaker:That's been hard, hard work. You need to listen to Gada and even the Palestinian youth movement
Speaker:as they're on talking about the barriers that they face, the harassment, the attacks, demonization,
Speaker:blacklisting, that exists but they never stopped. And so solidarity raps. rallies are happening
Speaker:worldwide because of that work, not just because we can see what's happening and we know it's
Speaker:bad, but also because of that kinship we feel. Because let's be honest, the Western world
Speaker:doesn't often unite behind causes of racialized nations, right? That doesn't happen all that
Speaker:often. I do think this is the work of all the Palestinians that we've met that have refused
Speaker:to allow their story to be silent. And especially in the face of this particular round of silencing,
Speaker:they push through. And one thing that needs to be mentioned that's such an accomplishment
Speaker:is the real-time fact checking of Israeli propaganda has been... more effective than I've ever seen
Speaker:anything of its kind be in the past. Right? When we're talking about like the beheaded
Speaker:baby stories, when we're talking you know, there's been all kinds of false narratives being pushed
Speaker:out. It gets fact-checked and then media networks who initially ran with it are now being forced
Speaker:to... make retractions. One thing Biden, who was saying, Oh, yeah, I saw the pictures of
Speaker:the beheaded babies and they had to say, No, actually, I didn't because there was no pictures.
Speaker:So there's been no pisses me off, though, the retractions don't get the same airtime. No,
Speaker:the first line, they walk them back, even the fact checkers, you know, we see them and we
Speaker:feel justified and we can share them. But but that doesn't sensationalize the same way the
Speaker:original story does, right? And so it doesn't have the traction, it doesn't blow up like
Speaker:that. And so even at the NDP convention this weekend, Jagmeet Singh, Jagmeet Singh is still
Speaker:repeating claims of widespread sexual assault by Hamas troops. And the IDF themselves have
Speaker:said this has not been verified. They have not been able to verify it. Even after a week.
Speaker:of talking to survivors, they have not been able to verify that, and still, the most progressive
Speaker:leader that we've got in Canada is still repeating these lines. And it's the same way they still,
Speaker:even when we finally get them to fucking seed ground on showing a little bit of concern for
Speaker:Palestine, it's always hedged at the beginning with another condemnation of Hamas violence.
Speaker:It's always couched in this language of justification, even as you're online and you're telling people
Speaker:you know, this many Palestinian children died today. Yeah. Did you condemn Hamas? Like it's
Speaker:still there. It's still within our world leaders. It's so ridiculous. They won't let go of that.
Speaker:It's ridiculous that it took this level of asymmetry for that to become impactful. Right. Like it
Speaker:took, it takes so many more Palestinian children for people to get as angry as they would about
Speaker:one Israeli child. But that's the scales that we're seeing here. That's the reality that
Speaker:we're seeing here. The brutality is so absolute. Nobody there's no way to spin it anymore. There's
Speaker:no way to spin it anymore And so people are coming to the side and it has like we said
Speaker:It's been fucking hard for people to be advocating for policy. This has been 75 years of oppression
Speaker:75 years generations have passed and People it's been so difficult So difficult for people
Speaker:to speak out and finally we're seeing It's becoming a bit easier today. It's becoming a bit easier
Speaker:today because of that continued effort, because that effort paid off. That effort paid off.
Speaker:And it wouldn't have been the case if no context had been created during the past 10 years.
Speaker:But Palestinians activists have been committed, have been consistent. They've been there over
Speaker:and over again. They've been advocating and that laid the groundworks so that today people
Speaker:aren't learning everything from the start. They're not trying to inform themselves on 75 years
Speaker:of history in one day. There are people here who had the context and who raised their voices
Speaker:and that got across and the narrative is changing. And now it is going to be that much harder
Speaker:if the West wants to launch a ground invasion, which they might and they've done before. I
Speaker:remind you they did that in... No? It just was trying to leave people hopeful of like, no
Speaker:go back. No, but that's what I'm saying It's gonna be hopeful they launched the ground invasion
Speaker:in Lebanon They've launched ground invasions the past it's gonna be that much more difficult
Speaker:because you need the public's support They had it in Iraq. They had it in Afghanistan because
Speaker:the fourth branch of the government the media Was effective in getting people riled up getting
Speaker:people angry getting people on the side, but now they're not now it's changing I don't believe
Speaker:right now that it'll be as possible. And the international solidarity of all of these nations
Speaker:who understand the history of oppression, that voice is incredibly loud right now. It is,
Speaker:I want to give a special shout out to the people who have been relentless in pushing back and
Speaker:trying to shift the narrative and every little bit counts. I'll tell you, even the smallest
Speaker:notes of encouragement that I get in my private messages allow me to fuel my fire a little
Speaker:bit longer to keep countering. that narrative that would allow for genocide and to keep speaking
Speaker:for a free Palestine. But it's also the people tagging in for me when those folks come in
Speaker:with the ridiculous arguments and you just don't have the energy to keep this up for so long.
Speaker:And everyone, every time you do that and every time your followers see that, every time your
Speaker:family sees your fearlessness in that regard, you give space to them to then do the same.
Speaker:It's critical we all do that work and it is absolutely working. Again, I'm going to bring
Speaker:up Gata, an absolute fearless, phenomenal advocate. She went to the NDP convention this week with
Speaker:allies, with family, to push that party to make a statement. But also so that the delegates
Speaker:inside who have been painfully silent. Right, we know that their caucus has been gagged,
Speaker:their staffers have been gagged, and labor's been attacked for any support that they have
Speaker:shown, but NDP members in that convention were painfully silent and undemanding of their leadership.
Speaker:And their Palestinian supporters were determined to make some noise there. and not be relegated
Speaker:to an emergency resolution on the last day of convention when everyone has gone home. And
Speaker:I just want absolute solidarity with those people. The NDP ended up calling security, having the
Speaker:venue push police on them, pulling them physically to the ground and shushing them down the stairs
Speaker:so that the delegates could not hear them. Delegates who showed solidarity with them and who were
Speaker:disruptive in their own right had their credentials removed unilaterally by the national director
Speaker:who we've talked about on this show before. And so the resistance in those spaces, it matters
Speaker:too, because at the very least you did force Jagmeet in his final speech to acknowledge
Speaker:the fact that Palestinians are also suffering. Again, obviously, it's not a much, it's not
Speaker:enough, but this works. This is happening everywhere. London, Baghdad. And on those protests internationally,
Speaker:many of them were outlawed. Many of them, they said, you're not allowed to protest, you know.
Speaker:Same thing, you know, they were saying that in Paris, they were saying that in the UK,
Speaker:in Germany. What happened? People didn't listen. People came out en masse. En masse. Around
Speaker:the world, we're seeing massive protests, massive shows of solidarity. And again, I don't think
Speaker:anyone listening here needs a reminder that the cops are always, always standing against
Speaker:the oppressed, standing on the side of the oppressors every single time, whether it's at the NDP
Speaker:convention in Paris and UK. Even our little thing in Barry, there was a separate action
Speaker:in support of Israel in Barry at the same time. that had a larger turnout than ours, unfortunately.
Speaker:Either way, ours was policed. We even had a drone overhead of us. It was the resources
Speaker:spent on a small gaggle of communists and folks from the local mosque waving a Palestinian
Speaker:flag. They were ready for... It's funny though, because it shows you also, though, just...
Speaker:I know you weren't number there, but like here in Toronto, it's interesting because there's
Speaker:a certain amount of exposure of like how different the narrative is. Like one thing I've had to
Speaker:do constantly since this has started is remind people Israel does not speak for Judaism. Just
Speaker:like Saudi Arabia or Iran or any other Muslim nation does not speak for Islam. Just like
Speaker:it's a case of, you know, Countries do not speak for all of the peoples of a religion. Right
Speaker:now, Toronto has a huge Jewish population. Huge. If you listen to the narratives that they want
Speaker:us to believe, they want us to believe that all Jewish people are standing on the side
Speaker:of Israel. Bullshit. Because when there was the protests in Toronto, there were thousands
Speaker:of Palestinian activists and I heard that there was less than a dozen pro-Israel activists.
Speaker:less than a dozen.
Speaker:And this has been, and I have seen countless Jewish voices condemning this and Jewish voices
Speaker:in Israel. They also want you to believe that everyone in Israel supporting this. No, they're
Speaker:getting oppressed by the Israeli government as well. Disincent voices are being oppressed.
Speaker:But this is, I mean, nobody here needs to remind you this is not an issue of religion. This
Speaker:is not a religious war. As much as they want you to believe it is, this is not a religious
Speaker:war. This is a war of colonization.
Speaker:And we have seen massive, massive shows of solidarity for Palestinian people from peoples of all
Speaker:background. I got distracted. I was trying to find a rally that was specifically for Jews
Speaker:in Toronto.
Speaker:But I think maybe it's been a lot smaller, though, you know, like I don't buy the fucking narrative.
Speaker:I don't buy the narrative. Like, I think.
Speaker:I think like that and that's the thing is that we're not like, as a journalist, you know,
Speaker:like the one thing that was kind of, you know, there was somebody who went and he covered
Speaker:the Palestinian protests for Humber, right. And our the professor at the top of the chain
Speaker:was saying, you know, okay, well, we need to go get a Jewish voice. And I was saying like,
Speaker:okay, but like, you're saying like, okay, we need like a the other side. What is the other
Speaker:side? Is it a Jewish voice? That seems wrong to me. That seems wrong because are you going
Speaker:to go like that's acting like this is Islam versus Judaism, which it's not. It's acting
Speaker:like Jewish people are on the side of Israel, which is not. And so it's like, okay, do we
Speaker:go, do we talk to a pro-Zionist Jewish organization or we go talk to independent Jewish voices?
Speaker:How do you decide that? How are you deciding? who to speak to because we know better, we
Speaker:know that if we go to one, we're going to get one message and we go to the other, we're going
Speaker:to get the other message. So how do you make that decision? How do you make the call of
Speaker:who to talk to in this situation? And are Jewish voices who are speaking out against Netanyahu,
Speaker:against the actions of the Israeli government, against the IDF, are those voices being platformed?
Speaker:Do people know how prevalent those voices are? Are many of those voices there?
Speaker:Can you imagine how uncomfortable it is for some of those Jewish activists? I mean, there
Speaker:are many, many organizations that are dedicated to amplifying Jewish voices around this issue
Speaker:simply because of the way that it's been framed. Otherwise, it would just be a regular... And
Speaker:how do they get treated? They get called anti-Semitic themselves. They get called self-hating Jews.
Speaker:The trope of the self-hating Jew. You hear it constantly. I remember one of my closest friends,
Speaker:they shared a post, they shared a post, speaking about ending the oppression of Palestinians,
Speaker:and they had people DMing them on Instagram calling them a self-hating Jew. Yeah, one just
Speaker:needs to look at the replies that are in Sam Hirsch's feed, for example, we've had on the
Speaker:show, or David Misovar, another outspoken Jewish rabbi activist in Ontario here and the backlash
Speaker:has been incredible against them. But nothing had the level of vitriol, we didn't talk about
Speaker:this earlier, that Sarah Jemma faced. I need to give her some space here. I quickly mentioned
Speaker:her in the last episode as the only politician that came out in Canada with a statement that
Speaker:resembled reasonableness. And her statement was simply acknowledging the devastation of
Speaker:the occupation and calling for a ceasefire. What she didn't do was what everyone demands
Speaker:of every person now trying to call for a free Palestine. She didn't explicitly. condemn Hamas.
Speaker:And so you didn't get just people complaining that her position was weak or insufficient.
Speaker:That happened. And that's an opinion, right? How you think a political statement should
Speaker:shape up. That's your opinion if it's not strong enough or didn't acknowledge as many people,
Speaker:whatever. But you had the Premier of Ontario release a statement that was just parroted
Speaker:by every media news outlet without any contradiction whatsoever calling her statement anti-Semitic.
Speaker:And there was nothing anti-Semitic in it. But the only reason Doug Ford was allowed to make
Speaker:that statement was because Merritt
Speaker:She first came out and condemned Sarah and told the media she was upset and that it had to
Speaker:come down. I don't know the exact statement, but she made it clear they weren't going to
Speaker:defend her, that they hung her out by herself and they all pounced. Doug Ford called for
Speaker:her to resign her seat and explicitly called her statement anti-Semitic, and they all re-
Speaker:they all printed it. They all printed that act of defamation and her party never, ever, ever
Speaker:came out. The NDP, the Ontario NDP, not once came out and defended her against the overt
Speaker:acts of racism that she faced, not just from trolls, from CBC reporters, from MPs, from
Speaker:MPPs, the things that they said to her. Andrew Koch told her to go back to Somalia. And yes,
Speaker:he lost his position as a freelancer for the CBC. but he was defiant and refused to take
Speaker:it down and he didn't face nearly the amount of backlash that she faced for simply asking
Speaker:for a ceasefire. And if that doesn't tell people that the NDP is not only a lost cause, it is
Speaker:a detriment to all our movements, a detriment. It has taken Sarah in and it has gagged her
Speaker:and it has punished her and it has removed her effectiveness as an organizer. And that is
Speaker:horrific. And they are coming out with statements of condemnation for Hamas but cannot say a
Speaker:word about the anti-Palestinian violence that's occurring even in our province right now. And
Speaker:so, although There has been a shift in the narrative that I think eventually that they're going
Speaker:to have to see too. It has not been without considerable effort on the behalf of progressive
Speaker:institutions here in Canada to silence particularly racialized Palestinian activists, you know,
Speaker:between shoving them to the ground at their convention, to censoring the only MPP that
Speaker:had the nerve her truth to speak truth to power. And so someone tagged me into a tweet the other
Speaker:day about a TikTok influencer interested in running for the NDP and it got a little bit
Speaker:of traction. And my message was absolutely not. If you find any purpose in speaking your truth
Speaker:to pushing back, do not get involved with the NDP. It is sucking up people's time and energy.
Speaker:And in the end, that is the biggest floodgate to open. We know what the Israeli government's
Speaker:capable of doing. We expect it. We know what the cons and the liberals will even say when
Speaker:this shit erupts, right? But when the left seeds that ground and they just stand back and put
Speaker:their hands up, when they acknowledge—no, when they just float with the rest of everybody
Speaker:and they leave us— way open, right? Because even when your leaders won't defend you, then
Speaker:you're indefensible. Yeah. Then it's so much harder to feel validated. It's so much harder
Speaker:to make space for everybody when they're so confused because the people that should know
Speaker:better, that should be on their side are failing us. And so I don't want anybody to look up
Speaker:for guidance on this. Everybody should be looking at their Palestinian friends and comrades and
Speaker:organizations and follow their lead. Fuck the NDP. and fuck Justin Trudeau.
Speaker:Not only does our support come from the progressive community, so does our content. So reach out
Speaker:to us and let us know what or who we should be amplifying. So until next time, keep disrupting.