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[00:00:05] Sarah Listi: , but there was one specific house. It was a Travis Alexander house. It was so sad, such a sad case, but now it's the Jodi area. Yes. And where are they? We pulled back the carpet and it was blood on the subfloor. When I tell you, I don't even know how you would explain that smell. I imagine if a meat market lost all of their cooling and it's, I don't even know, I'm going crazy, but I just, I will never forget that smell.

[00:00:32] Sarah Listi: Now, as long as I live, like it was so pungent and disgusting.

[00:00:36] Eric Goranson: And I know you so well. I knew that wasn't acting. I'm like, no, I saw that reaction. I saw that reaction. I'm like, Oh, that's real. When it comes

[00:00:47] Sarah Listi: to remodeling and renovating your home, there is a lot to know, though, we've got you covered. This is around the house.

[00:00:54] Sarah Listi: Welcome

[00:00:54] Eric Goranson: to the round the house show. This is where we help you get the most out of your home through [00:01:00] information education. Thanks for joining me today. We are live at the National Hardware Show and I have one of my best friends right here, Sarah Listie.

[00:01:09] Sarah Listi: Oh my gosh, I'm so excited to be here, bud. Tool

[00:01:11] Eric Goranson: Girls Garage Murder House Flip.

[00:01:15] Eric Goranson: All the cool

[00:01:16] Sarah Listi: stuff. You're like my personal hype squad. I always feel like you're like the nicest person and I love it. I'm so glad I get to hang out with you. So have you had a chance to look around at all today?

[00:01:24] Eric Goranson: I have a day one of the show. So we just get around. There is some cool stuff around here.

[00:01:29] Sarah Listi: I am dying to get into it.

[00:01:31] Sarah Listi: Cause I really just have skimmed it and I've already seen like 10 things and I'm like, I want to know more about this and that, so you'll have to tell me what I need to

[00:01:38] Eric Goranson: check out. Okay. One of the things that I just checked out here before coming over here was amazing. Coast Products, they're a Portland company, so they're actually up the street from me.

[00:01:46] Eric Goranson: But they have these new AA and AAA batteries that act like an alkaline battery, but they have a USB C on the side of them. Oh, now that's cool. So they're high power and they're different than anything else. Cause you know, when [00:02:00] you use like rechargeable batteries, maybe you're using them for mics or whatever else we do in our industry.

[00:02:04] Eric Goranson: Yeah. Those things, when they die, when they're rechargeable, they just fade off and they just go right in the toilet. These react like a regular battery, so they're like a high quality battery, but they're rechargeable, so they'll last longer. Well, and

[00:02:14] Sarah Listi: I don't know if you've ever used any of the other options, like if you go to, say, Costco or something and you buy those rechargeable, I think, like, EcoGreen was a company that was real popular at one point.

[00:02:22] Sarah Listi: And a few of those other lithium batteries, they're great, but they tend to, like, not have the best life expectancy. Case. And if you're charging it 10, 20, 30 times, I want it to last more than that. Yeah.

[00:02:31] Eric Goranson: They said over a thousand times, you can get cycles out of that.

[00:02:34] Sarah Listi: That's cool. Smart. I'm excited to see that.

[00:02:36] Sarah Listi: So I'll have to check that out for sure. And that's

[00:02:38] Eric Goranson: one thing guys in the media industry just happens out there. Everybody's thrown away AA batteries, like, but the caseload, it just happens with

[00:02:44] Sarah Listi: Mike's in their chemicals, et cetera. It doesn't make sense. Like anywhere you can save a little bit, like, why wouldn't you let's like, of course,

[00:02:50] Eric Goranson: and they're not expensive.

[00:02:51] Eric Goranson: You said they're like, they're pretty cheap. After you, you're equal at the fifth time, you recharged them. I'll see. Now that's

[00:02:56] Sarah Listi: incredible. So I'm like, okay, that's cool. All I can think about is when my kids were young, [00:03:00] can you imagine having those, like with some of those toys? I had, my son was obsessed with this one toy that required like eight D batteries.

[00:03:07] Sarah Listi: And it died like every other month. It was so frustrating and so expensive. So

[00:03:11] Eric Goranson: think about the video game controls for kids out there playing the X boxes or whatever. Then you could actually recharge those instead of just buying the, the big Costco packs that you're tossing away weekly. The

[00:03:21] Sarah Listi: technology is there.

[00:03:22] Sarah Listi: They're in all of our cell phones, et cetera. Like, why are we not doing better? That's I'm so excited. So that's on my list for sure. And

[00:03:27] Eric Goranson: those guys up there, they're super cool. But I was like, okay, they've been making batteries for 20 years for their rechargeable for their, they know what they're doing.

[00:03:34] Eric Goranson: Yeah. They're like, Hey, let's make this. I'm like, okay,

[00:03:36] Sarah Listi: that was cool. See, I love that. I love that too about national hardware show because you can always find like interesting finds things that like where it's not just tools. It's not just outdoor. It's not just, there's a big range of things you can find here, which is always cool.

[00:03:48] Sarah Listi: Cause I love those solution based. Exactly. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like things that are like really solving our everyday life issues.

[00:03:54] Eric Goranson: I saw a cool chair that was over here on the outdoor area that they have over here. Yeah, it's huge this year too. [00:04:00] Yeah. So there was like all the, like your fold up beach chair.

[00:04:02] Eric Goranson: Oh, okay. But this was cool. So it's your lounger. But they cut a hole out in it where your head would go. So you can lay on your face and it's got a face thing. Like if you're in a massage or chiropractic chair.

[00:04:12] Sarah Listi: Why have we not thought of that? Yeah. So

[00:04:14] Eric Goranson: it's like a, it's like a massage chiropractic chair, but it just sits in your head when you're not doing it.

[00:04:18] Eric Goranson: Cause it's like the headrest. But when you lay it down flat, you can put your face through. So you could actually be reading a book. Laying on your

[00:04:24] Sarah Listi: stomach. I love that. I was just thinking comfort wise because there's nothing worse than when you're laying like on the beach or whatever and you're like, how do you put your head?

[00:04:31] Sarah Listi: You go straight. You're like, I can't do that

[00:04:33] Eric Goranson: straight down. You can look down and so you could

[00:04:35] be

[00:04:35] Sarah Listi: reading a book and there's nothing worse than waking up with a crick in your neck. Oh my God. That happens to

[00:04:40] Eric Goranson: me all the time. I woke up the other day and I was actually Yesterday morning, got up at three o'clock in the morning to get here for the show.

[00:04:45] Eric Goranson: And I was like,

[00:04:46] Sarah Listi: going to be on an airplane, right? Where you're like, why

[00:04:49] Eric Goranson: is it? It's like, it happens every time. So it's just like, Oh my

[00:04:52] Sarah Listi: gosh, you have to pack. There's this oil that I use and it's like a migraine oil, but I buy it really for this, for like tension in the neck. And I swear [00:05:00] by it for helping with neck cricks.

[00:05:01] Sarah Listi: So I'll have to send you the, it's like peppermint, I think 90%, but it's still worth it. It's amazing. Yeah, that's awesome. Okay. So now that I feel like I've got a few things on my list, What are you looking for that you haven't seen yet? I always like the

[00:05:15] Eric Goranson: power tools to see what's hanging out there. And what's interesting, this is where you find, not like the big power tool companies, but this is where that inventor created

[00:05:25] Sarah Listi: something.

[00:05:25] Sarah Listi: The ones that are like about to launch or like in their early years that you're like, I'm very curious about this. I've heard about it, but I, we get a little inside information, which is good. I think Scenics is here, which I've heard. I don't know what it's called. I don't either starts with an s. That's what I know.

[00:05:39] Sarah Listi: I've heard good things about it. And it looked pretty cool. Like I briefly saw it up in the media room and I was like, Oh, I'm excited

[00:05:44] Eric Goranson: to check that out. I need a good outdoor power company. My stuff I got a few years ago. I'm changing up on that a little bit. I want to try something

[00:05:51] Sarah Listi: new. You know what I mean?

[00:05:53] Sarah Listi: Okay. And it's funny because battery powered outdoor equipment, you don't think of it still. I think most people are still in the mindset [00:06:00] of we need gas. We need gas. I have found that like over the last few years, those battery powered mowers and blowers like We don't need anything like it's right there.

[00:06:08] Sarah Listi: Maybe for like heavy industrial use shore, but beyond that, like you could pretty much get away with it. So I love when I see those new brands, especially from an accessibility standpoint, and then just not every brand is sold at every store. So we need more than one or two. To have access to it. Funny

[00:06:23] Eric Goranson: story.

[00:06:24] Eric Goranson: I did a last week. I did a, a live thing with our Fox 12 station there that I might my shows on my buddy, Greg Nibbler. And we did, I did a thing on get battery or gas outdoor power equipment. I love this. And Oh, the hate I got, it was epic. I feed off that. I was like, yeah, I had 40 people that were like, Wishing hate on me and I'm like, I just, I just

[00:06:44] Sarah Listi: laugh.

[00:06:45] Sarah Listi: You and I have joked about this so many times. It's like whenever I post about a specific tool company or lack of for that example, when people just go crazy over like their XYZ fanboy, like I don't want to drop a name, but and you're like, buddy, come on, there's more. [00:07:00] Tools come in a rainbow of colors.

[00:07:01] Sarah Listi: Okay. We don't need to be like, they're not trash just cause it's not your color. I so funny to me. And it doesn't help that

[00:07:07] Eric Goranson: the local power company is my sponsor of my TV show. So everybody was calling me a show for the power company. I'm like. No, I'd much rather drive my old truck than be driving around an electric one.

[00:07:19] Eric Goranson: But when it comes to ease, I'm happy not to be worrying about the gas can and the two cycle and

[00:07:25] Sarah Listi: my vehicles are still gas, right? If at some point I'm replacing it, of course I would consider it. I'm not anti electric, right? But I think there's a time and a place for it. I don't mind if my, let's say batteries run out mid mo.

[00:07:40] Sarah Listi: Okay. Is that annoying? Sure, but probably didn't charge it. That's on me, right? That's on me. Yeah, but running out mid highway or something doesn't see, like, I feel like there's a big difference. So I'm with you that I feel like the that's a false equivalent.

[00:07:52] Eric Goranson: Like my buddy's got an F 150 lightning. Okay.

[00:07:55] Eric Goranson: Yeah. He's got it.

[00:07:56] No,

[00:07:56] Sarah Listi: it's expensive though. They're so expensive. They are [00:08:00] incredible. Drive.

[00:08:00] Eric Goranson: It's fast, but if you're going to go more than 200 miles, you're getting into

[00:08:03] Sarah Listi: a way. So I'm an F one 50 girl. You know that. And it's funny because a few years ago, I think I was at CES maybe. So another show and they were unveiling the Ford lightning and I made a post about it and people were so straight.

[00:08:16] Sarah Listi: Cause I'm like, again, I'm not me personally. It's not for me. Right. But I'm not against it. I think it's great, right? I think it's wonderful. But it was so funny to me because I was like, First of all, it's not mine. I didn't invent it. I'm just saying this is cool because it is something new. It's what you're doing.

[00:08:32] Sarah Listi: I don't know, but I do think the price is a little wild. I'd love to see them come down a little bit because I think if we're trying to make it accessible, let's make it accessible. Exactly. And

[00:08:40] Eric Goranson: I think that's where it's going to be a little bit more of an issue is getting that stuff done. It's going to be tricky.

[00:08:44] Eric Goranson: I think my prediction, and I'm just going to say it now, I think that the electric vehicle on the record, I think the electric vehicle thing is going to be. A fad that goes for the next five to seven years. And then you're going to see the hydrogen or whatever [00:09:00] technology come in. That's a lot more reliable and a lot more powerful.

[00:09:02] Eric Goranson: And when, and just get the distance that way, because you can still be running the electric motors, but if you hydrogen power generator, now you're using that technology, but you're not worrying about charging because you just hydrogen up. You can still

[00:09:14] Sarah Listi: charge a hybrid. I think I haven't done recent looks at this, but I think like the hydrogen powered engines, that was a really big deal in terms of agriculture too.

[00:09:23] Sarah Listi: That's a big direction they're going to be heading. So I'd love to see that because I do think we need, and I, and from an environmental standpoint, right, let's not split hairs. We all know that like mining for. Chemical lithium and all that stuff is not great. So I don't love the, the statement of eco friendly cause yes, but also let's, it's a little more complex.

[00:09:39] Sarah Listi: It's a little more nuanced, I would say sure. The deep dive in that there's a lot to consider the hydrogen engines in general, hydrogen powered motors. Like there's a lot of cool technology there and I feel like they can do it in a cleaner way. So I'd love to see that happen

[00:09:54] Eric Goranson: in theory. Yeah. I think the technology will get there, which will.

[00:09:57] Eric Goranson: Be an interesting one where you could literally fill your car up with [00:10:00] water.

[00:10:00] Sarah Listi: Yeah. That's so crazy. Yeah. Honestly, my husband and I talked about this not too long ago. So it's funny that we're talking about this now you and I are known for going off on our tangents. Obviously we're good at this. Yeah.

[00:10:10] Sarah Listi: That's what we do. Really? I have no idea how we get on these topics. We went from like battery power to anyway, but why are they not doing more hybrids? Yeah. That was such a deal. Like when the first Priuses came out, they were all hybrid, right? That was such a thing. And now they're just like all or nothing.

[00:10:24] Sarah Listi: Yeah. And I don't love

[00:10:25] Eric Goranson: that. No, I. I think it has to do with energy standards. I think the way you got is you have in, I think what it is, and I, we can bring one of my automotive guys on here to explain this, but my understanding, at least I could be wrong, but. My understanding is that because they have these standards for the vehicle.

[00:10:41] Eric Goranson: So if they go sell a Ford F two 50 diesel, they need to sell so many electric vehicles to offset the emissions to have this average number, but the hybrids don't get them. There's they'd have to sell like 50. Four hybrids versus the one. Okay. So that doesn't make sense,

[00:10:58] Sarah Listi: but isn't that sad? [00:11:00] Yeah. Like it shouldn't be that way.

[00:11:01] Sarah Listi: That seems like a silly way to regulate. I'm all for like green. Everything is good. Come on. That's a little silly. I don't know. So

[00:11:08] Eric Goranson: you got to, it's

[00:11:09] Sarah Listi: yeah, I think it's an outdated. I feel like we need some balance. They're moving along. Yeah. On the name of outdoor

[00:11:15] Eric Goranson: equipment, but yeah, it's just one of those controversial,

[00:11:18] Sarah Listi: it is controversial, but I'd love to, I think it's something we, we need to talk about more because I want to better understand it.

[00:11:23] Sarah Listi: And there is so much that you see and read and you're like, even in the power tool industry, again, like. There's so much there and there's so much to take in and what works for one isn't going to work for another. And there's a lot to consider. So I did that.

[00:11:34] Eric Goranson: Landscape companies that are out there

[00:11:36] Sarah Listi: running all battery now, which is incredible when you really think about just a few years ago, just the idea of a battery powered push mower.

[00:11:43] Sarah Listi: Seems totally crazy. Like I remember when I first started talking about them, everybody was like, that's wild. And I'm like, it's not.

[00:11:49] Eric Goranson: Yeah. And now, and I don't have one of these mowers, but now you're starting to see these zero turn radius mowers that come out where they have like six batteries. I know you have two of them.

[00:11:57] Eric Goranson: I love that. Yeah. And so. You could have [00:12:00] three batteries on the charger, three in the machine, and you're just cycling them. So you can almost go forever.

[00:12:05] Sarah Listi: What's crazy is like the one I specifically have is an ego, right? And they, they have a really neat system where you can actually plug it into a charger and charge all six of the batteries on board at once.

[00:12:16] Sarah Listi: That's nice. And I'm on three acres and mine will mow the entire yard without an issue. Now if I'm mulching, it'll go a little quicker, but it's not, I'll still get it done pretty quickly. So it's, they've come a long way. I'd love to see that continue. And how many

[00:12:29] Eric Goranson: people are really out there? If you look at people that are looking at, or have three acres to mow,

[00:12:33] Sarah Listi: there's not the vast majority.

[00:12:34] Sarah Listi: Don't. And so most people are quarter acre, pretty standard city lots, or even a quarter acres a lot for some cities. My gosh. I think our first house had a 7, 500 square foot lot and I had no idea how small that was. Yeah. Yeah, then all of

[00:12:46] Eric Goranson: a sudden you start taking care of yours now. You're like, yes,

[00:12:49] Sarah Listi: it's the trees that'll get you.

[00:12:50] Sarah Listi: But even then, like talking about power tool equipment, I did see a couple of briefly again, didn't get to really check them out, but there's some neat like mulchers, wood chippers, et [00:13:00] cetera. Yeah. That's something that I would love to see eventually go battery. Yeah. Because those type of engines do require yearly or semi annually quite a bit of maintenance.

[00:13:09] Sarah Listi: You got to really stay up.

[00:13:10] Eric Goranson: I hate that because when you have any kind of outdoor power equipment in today's gas, right? So you put that in there. Yes. And if you didn't throw in stable

[00:13:17] Sarah Listi: or something like that. And I do swear by stable. I use it all the time in every engine. It's great stuff. I could not recommend it more.

[00:13:22] Sarah Listi: Yeah. It's,

[00:13:22] Eric Goranson: but if you forget to, or you're like, Oh, I thought I did, but I didn't guess what? You're in trouble because of that sits in there for three months and it's well, yeah, you

[00:13:31] Sarah Listi: got a hot mess. It's funny. Cause when Texas, we obviously have hurricanes. And so we get these horrible storms that come through and a lot of people have gas power generators.

[00:13:39] Sarah Listi: Right. And I always feel so bad when people go and they pull it out of the garage and they, I know that it's hard. Cause it's out of sight, out of mind. If you're not using it, it's forgotten. But I cannot, I preach about this all the time on social media. Like you have to maintain your tools. You have to, and I know that it's a hassle, but set aside one day a month to go through and like, for me, obviously that's a lot, but if you don't have as many, [00:14:00] so one day a year, just set it aside.

[00:14:01] Sarah Listi: Like every October or whatever, I'm going to maintain all of my equipment or every three months, a quarter, because otherwise I, it's such a sad situation when somebody ends up losing really expensive equipment to something that is so expensive. So it's such a five minute fix. You know what I mean? It is an ounce of prevention is worth hours of care.

[00:14:21] Sarah Listi: So I'll put

[00:14:21] Eric Goranson: the stable in. I actually, on my generator, I'll take the gas down. So it's like quarter tank. Sure. I'll pump most of it out, put it in the truck, use it. And then I always have a full gas can. And about every month I will throw that in the truck. Yes. Use it. Go get another one. Put it in there.

[00:14:35] Sarah Listi: That's very smart. That way I'm just cycling it through. Yeah, when I think so, seeing that equipment through my mind a little bit, because I was like, God, I would love to see that battery because for me, I, because I don't want to have too much maintained and they are big investments. I would love to see that go battery just because it'd be so much easier to keep it.

[00:14:51] Sarah Listi: Yeah. Ready. And always at peak performance. And there's really nothing to maintain other than making sure your batteries are kept up. But I think we're a ways away for that. I think there's not a big [00:15:00] enough market for the need yet, but I would love to see that happen. Yeah. That'd be great. Yeah. Because otherwise you're, we have the batteries for sure.

[00:15:07] Sarah Listi: Yeah. Or, and we're very close. We surely, if you can power a car, you can get there. But I also think having the option to not always rent. Right. Like. I don't ever mind investing in products like that, especially because I do have property and I know I'm going to need it and maybe I only use it a couple of times a year.

[00:15:21] Sarah Listi: It's a good investment, right? But it's that maintenance and not, yes. And if you're not always as familiar with it, like I don't work on those engines now, so it's tough to stay on top of that all the time. So I'd love to see that keep evolving

[00:15:34] Eric Goranson: for space. Now I'm finding, I'm using rental centers a lot

[00:15:37] Sarah Listi: more.

[00:15:37] Sarah Listi: No, I do love it though. And it is nice hassle free, right?

[00:15:40] Eric Goranson: Yeah. It's nice. Cause I can go get it. Sure. I have to store it. Base becomes an

[00:15:44] Sarah Listi: issue. Yes. And so it's always that, that crux, right? You don't have to store and you don't have to maintain, but, but I have had one or two issues where you get at a piece of equipment home and you're like, I had one where so annoying, it was a flat tire.

[00:15:56] Sarah Listi: And so of course I had to load it all back up and we, yeah. And then I ended up [00:16:00] repairing the tire. Cause I was like, I need to get this done, but it was super like, it was a frustrating thing. And so that's obviously knowing where to go and where to rent. I

[00:16:08] Eric Goranson: have a tool rental place. It's close to my house.

[00:16:10] Eric Goranson: It's a local hardware store and it's all new. There's stuffs all within a year. And when after a year, they

[00:16:15] Sarah Listi: buy a new one and that's another piece of advice. I would give is if you ever, Or like me, I'm always checking for sales because they will trade that stuff in and out pretty quickly. And I'm always like, are you selling this tractor?

[00:16:27] Sarah Listi: What's going on? What's going on? I know I, I rented a Kubota for a couple of weeks. Nice year before last maybe. And it was so hard to give that back. I wanted to, I was like, this is, I would like to keep you forever. Yeah.

[00:16:38] Eric Goranson: I had a buddy drop off his, his little, his little Kubota style track. And I was just like, so now you could leave this here another few

[00:16:45] Sarah Listi: weeks.

[00:16:45] Sarah Listi: So it's really nice. And I've, I rent excavators and stuff or mini excavators pretty often lifts, but that Kubota was like, hi, like I was literally obsessed. So I don't know. I'm excited for some of the other, other [00:17:00] stuff to come out. And why are we not doing that more? And I just, we're so close. We're so close.

[00:17:06] Sarah Listi: Exactly. I will say John Deere announced was year before last. Uh, battery powered UTVs and tractors, but I haven't seen them really come to market. I saw one

[00:17:14] Eric Goranson: CES two years ago. It was Bobcat came out with their battery one and then it was, it was battery powered and they could run it remote. So you could actually have the operator, you could have the operator in a call center.

[00:17:30] Eric Goranson: If you didn't have anybody to operate, you could actually. Get on there. That's crazy to me. So they were, you couldn't have somebody in a call center across the country. That's an operator running it like a video game.

[00:17:40] Sarah Listi: Okay. So that's an interesting point too. We've talked about a lot here. How do you feel about the idea of that in terms of taking away?

[00:17:47] Sarah Listi: Some people view that as they're taking away a job for so it's very hard. It's a slippery slope, right?

[00:17:52] Eric Goranson: It is. But for me, I think I look at that and go job site safety is where

[00:17:55] Sarah Listi: I first go. Sure. Bennett in the benefit outweighs. All right. Yeah. I look at that. That would

[00:17:59] Eric Goranson: be needed. I'm like, [00:18:00] yeah. Okay. If you've got a handful of people on job site and there's a guy with a video screen in front of him, he can't hear the guy next to him or sensor.

[00:18:08] Eric Goranson: That's a good point. Think about how visceral it is when you're operating outdoor power equipment. You can tell that, Oh, that, that guy's on the wheelbarrow.

[00:18:16] Sarah Listi: Yes. Keeping your 10 feet away. You're

[00:18:18] Eric Goranson: always on that. And I don't see how you could have your head on a swivel. Like you

[00:18:22] Sarah Listi: would need to. That's a good point.

[00:18:23] Sarah Listi: So that's interesting. Cause I honestly, my mind goes to, I hate to ever take jobs away from like hardworking people. I think those are the kind of the backbone of our country. When I would love to see more and more, I want desperately to see more and more young people get into the trades. We need it so bad, but that's a good point.

[00:18:38] Sarah Listi: That even taking that away, that was my first thought, but honestly, your point's probably better.

[00:18:42] Eric Goranson: Even before that, I'm just going, I don't want to be hurting people out there. You see, if you're ever driving around in a Tesla, you can see that. It knows everything's around you. So

[00:18:50] Sarah Listi: that makes me nervous though.

[00:18:51] Sarah Listi: I know it does. Tesla tunnel coming in. I was like, Oh my God, I have to like, just look down and close my eyes. A little bit. Okay.

[00:18:56] Eric Goranson: So I think I spent too many times in crawl spaces to

[00:18:58] Sarah Listi: get worried about that. So [00:19:00] I'm like dying because I'm like, that sounds like I can't imagine nothing worse. I'm not like overly claustrophobic, but maybe I am.

[00:19:06] Sarah Listi: I don't know. I think, I

[00:19:08] Eric Goranson: think I used to be just when,

[00:19:10] Sarah Listi: Oh no, Tesla tunnel is a different level. And I don't know if you notice this, but you're going to have to like, keep your eyes out for it. But I laughed just to just. Old lady internal, whatever, but we're like driving in and I noticed that this like panels of the walls are labeled like a two and all I thought, okay, so I'm not the only person that noticed that.

[00:19:28] Sarah Listi: I thought that was so funny. Cause I'm like, I can just see them like opening up Ikea directions or something where it's like a two. But with B1, I don't know.

[00:19:35] Eric Goranson: Where's the connector piece? Oh, he used it

[00:19:36] Sarah Listi: back on C7. Where's the hardware? Oh no, we're short a washer. I don't know, I just think In my mind, I just thought that was Like, I just could see it.

[00:19:43] Sarah Listi: I'm very mature for my age, honestly. No, no, no! With

[00:19:45] Eric Goranson: Musk and his rocket scientist thing, I'm sure that was probably well planned out

[00:19:48] Sarah Listi: on that. So I will tell you, since I haven't walked the show much, we've talked about a lot about power, etc. Have you checked out the Jackery booth? Yes. So I didn't get to go to the booth yet, but they had a [00:20:00] couple of things at the event last night and I was like, marry me, which of course Jackery, they're really big name, portable power solution.

[00:20:07] Sarah Listi: So I'm excited to see some of the new stuff. Oh, I

[00:20:10] Eric Goranson: know I got to get over there. I haven't, I just walked past it and just went,

[00:20:13] Sarah Listi: I know, I know. I think they're, I think that's a company to really watch too in the next few years as they have them and Jenniverse as well. Yeah,

[00:20:21] Eric Goranson: Jenniverse, I have one of their units.

[00:20:23] Eric Goranson: Oh,

[00:20:23] Sarah Listi: I love it. And they're awesome. It is such a cool product. The way those solar panels fold out and it's so genius. Like they thought of everything and it's so plug and play, right? Yeah. That solar panel literally has one cord. That goes into one outlet into the, it's so easy and it's so

[00:20:36] Eric Goranson: perfect for somebody that lives in a condo or an apartment because now you have backup power.

[00:20:41] Eric Goranson: You can't put the generator out on the patio

[00:20:43] Sarah Listi: and you have backup power without taking up a ton of room. And like I have a backup, like a gas power generator. I was telling somebody the other day, I think it was, I met, I've been talking about this last night when our power kicked on a few weeks ago and one day of running it, like that is a hundred dollars in natural gas.

[00:20:59] Sarah Listi: So [00:21:00] like, it is not, it is not an equivalent of, yeah, it's so expensive,

[00:21:04] Eric Goranson: but yeah, I'm actually converting mine. I have a gas generator now, which I'm going to, I'm

[00:21:08] Sarah Listi: upgrading now. It's wonderful to have. I'm not complaining because I've been with five days without power this year. We had that. So that's rough.

[00:21:17] Sarah Listi: That was rough. And with kids, it was like, this is an experience. We had no running water. It was a rough freezing temperatures. Yeah.

[00:21:25] Eric Goranson: So we had a, we had this hurricane that kind of hit. That's right. Okay. Yeah. So it was like we had aim on our winds. Yeah. But it was 17 degrees outside. Oh my God. That sounds horrible.

[00:21:34] Eric Goranson: And so. All these trees were coming down. Oh. And I mean, our trees are like those Trees.

[00:21:39] Sarah Listi: Yeah, trees. The wind and the, and the ice just Oh

[00:21:41] Eric Goranson: my God. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, there was a house that's what, six houses down that had four, 200 and something year old trees

[00:21:47] Sarah Listi: on it. See, that makes you sad too, right? Oh, yeah.

[00:21:49] Sarah Listi: Like, I hope they harvested the wood and did some It's, but

[00:21:52] Eric Goranson: it's just big fur trees down. Yeah. So it's just, that's devastating too. Yeah. And so I, we had. Usually I have six or seven different ways I could get out of [00:22:00] the house. There was no way. There was one way because of fire stations down the road.

[00:22:03] Eric Goranson: They'd open something up so I could go out that way. But my daughter lives, she lives in an apartment a quarter mile away from the house, which is awesome. So I took the Jennifer's unit over to her. Sure, yeah. And so what she would do is she would take that and at night plug in her heated blanket. Because she didn't have enough to keep the house warm that way.

[00:22:20] Eric Goranson: They're just keep warm at night. And then she'd bring it over and we'd charge

[00:22:23] Sarah Listi: it. I will tell you, I, it's funny because talking about this is before I had my Jennifer's, which again, I love, and I love keeping like a couple of small things on it, like, well, not small, but the fridge or like one of the windows, et cetera, when you need to, and it just to take some of the load off of the generator for pure reasons, because when it runs that long, it's expensive and it's a lot to put on a one unit.

[00:22:42] Sarah Listi: But I, when we had this winter storm a few years ago, I did not have. Backup. Like we had a couple of small portable power stations, but you're talking like an inverter, right? Ego had one, a couple other brands, really wonderful products. But I have to tell you that we have a gas fireplace and so it is four degrees [00:23:00] outside or something.

[00:23:01] Sarah Listi: And I'm like, it was so cold. So quick. That's cool for you guys. Okay. Yeah, it was really cold. We were ready to die and everybody's like pipes are freezing and I'm over here with a heat gun following our neighbor's pipe so they don't burst. Like I was trying, but. It was an experience for sure. So our fireplace is gas.

[00:23:15] Sarah Listi: So in my mind, I like did not equate that, like the starter. I don't know why I just didn't think of it. Cause like on a gas range, you just light it and it's fine. You turn it on and you light, even with power or not, it's good. The just starter won't start. Well, I had to put all the safety stuff, put an inverter on the, the fan.

[00:23:30] Sarah Listi: Yeah. They're wired in. Right. It was such an experience to Oh yeah. But I was so glad for that small inverter, and I will tell you that saved my life. Yeah. That week. 'cause I can't imagine being with that internet was a humbling experience. Yeah. So my, so I had a, you would never think that

[00:23:42] Eric Goranson: it was that needed, but wow.

[00:23:43] Eric Goranson: I didn't lose anything. Even my internet worked. Okay. So that's lucky key. So my generator, so I, I designed my house that way. Yeah. So I'm, I'm. Yeah.

[00:23:51] Sarah Listi: I mean, and you really thought every step through, which is amazing.

[00:23:54] Eric Goranson: Thanks. Yeah. It's so I have Comcast in there. So I had their storm ready wifi, which goes off the cell phone, [00:24:00] pay a hundred and something bucks for it.

[00:24:01] Eric Goranson: And it just uses their network. Okay. Or

[00:24:03] Sarah Listi: Xfinity, whatever they call it. Same thing. Okay. And they've been trying to push getting the storm ready. That worked. Okay. That worked. I wasn't sure if I should do it or not. Cause I was like, is it going to really work? Okay. I'll have to look into now. I'm like, now I'm sold

[00:24:13] Eric Goranson: on it.

[00:24:14] Eric Goranson: So now I had wifi. Okay. It's not the fastest, but it was working. Sure. I can stream a movie.

[00:24:18] Sarah Listi: I can stream a movie. So that's better than nothing to always, no matter how much technology you have, I think it's always important to have. We bought recently a small solar powered battery operated. So it has solar, but you can put batteries in it too.

[00:24:31] Sarah Listi: Let me back up, but you could charge your phone off it, but you could have a radio. And I think it's always important. No matter how I know that we're so past technology. But we've lost phone coverage for days before in a storm. So I'm the big believer in, you don't have to go too crazy nowadays. Yes. Cause we have all these other options, but like having a few basic essentials, a few batteries, flashlights, candles, et cetera.

[00:24:51] Sarah Listi: Keep it together. Information. Yeah, exactly. And so I'm like, the radio would be necessary if your cell phone or internet doesn't work. And I remember going through that once and being like, [00:25:00] This is so weird. It was crazy. Yeah. So, because you don't think of it ever going

[00:25:03] Eric Goranson: out? No, and I designed my whole system, so I've just got a, like a 10 KW generator.

[00:25:07] Eric Goranson: Oh, okay. That runs 10, like 10.5 or whatever. Oh my God. So I have 24 I think. Yeah. So I run, I have a heat pump one heater, so 500 watts. I can heat all 80 gallons of water. Oh my gosh. Okay. Yeah. So that works. Yeah. I have a gas furnace. So the gas furnace just needs that one 10 for the fan and that, so that works.

[00:25:23] Eric Goranson: That's smart. Yeah. And so then it's light refrigerator, the beer fridge.

[00:25:27] Sarah Listi: Really? If, if you lost that, what would you really do? Exactly. That would be a survival thing. I have to make sure our priorities in line. So I'm not, you don't lose that. Basically

[00:25:37] Eric Goranson: it runs the rest of the house. And so most of the time we lose power.

[00:25:42] Eric Goranson: It is in the winter. I'm having to, I'm going to rewire it a little bit because in the summer, we're going to start getting the power turns off because of wildfires. So I'm like, okay, I need to rewire my transfer switch up to a different circuit. Right. So I can grab my outdoor AC

[00:25:55] Sarah Listi: unit. See, that's crazy.

[00:25:56] Sarah Listi: Whenever you think about how much to, I wouldn't think of like [00:26:00] you and Oregon having as many issues. So it's really interesting. Cause I hear that and I'm like, Oh my gosh, you guys really, we just trade seasons of when we're going through like emergency prep

[00:26:09] Eric Goranson: here. So I think about it. I live, I don't live out in the country.

[00:26:11] Eric Goranson: I live in a small 20

[00:26:14] Sarah Listi: minutes. Yeah. I'm a little further.

[00:26:16] Eric Goranson: I go back and since 2019 when I bought the house, I'm at 19 days without power that I've had in that house that I've had a generator. Yeah. That's a

[00:26:24] Sarah Listi: lot. So we get it pretty often. Cause sometimes it'll just get really hot. Texas is great that way.

[00:26:30] Sarah Listi: And every once in a while, you'll just lose like a transformer. We'll give out something. In fact, there was a hail storm last week and I saw, I sent it to my husband last night. Like a hundred thousand acres. I think an astronomical amount of a solar panel farm got damaged in the hail storm. So I was like reading this and of course, again, you need to filter out wild information, but it was really interesting to see some of the comments from people because that is honestly, hail is the reason I have not put a solar system on our [00:27:00] house, hail and cost.

[00:27:01] Sarah Listi: Because it's so expensive to invest in to do a full solar system. And I would love to, cause it would save a lot, but it would take a decade to get the money back. Oh yeah. And I, it's, you wonder, okay. But then at the end of that 10 years, is it now obsolete? So I know it's a hard thing about how things get, yeah, it's hard to know when to pull the trigger

[00:27:18] Eric Goranson: on that.

[00:27:18] Eric Goranson: It's like buying your phone. Yeah. That phone's going to last two years. And then it's that, and then it's clearly out of date four years. It's completely

[00:27:24] Sarah Listi: out of date. Or if it's like now they just, You get them and you're like, wow, this was no better than my last phone. Exactly. That's how I felt this last time.

[00:27:31] Sarah Listi: Oh yeah. I don't, not to be a hater, but. But I can't, I can't. It's true.

[00:27:34] Eric Goranson: Get solar my house. Okay. I have so many trees and they're protected. Yeah. So I have, I can't grow tomatoes in a garden. I can't grow tomatoes in a garden because I don't have

[00:27:44] Sarah Listi: enough sun. Oh, okay. So now that does make sense.

[00:27:46] Eric Goranson: Okay. So I literally can't do satellite services, not something I couldn't get a dish network or anything in there.

[00:27:51] Eric Goranson: Cause there's no way to get it through

[00:27:52] Sarah Listi: the trees. We're on wooded property, but thankfully we don't have quite the regulations you did. Honestly, what we ended up taking out was brush. [00:28:00] Right. And then we took out the handful of trees that were really close to our house. That if a store in realistically, when you have a hundred, it doesn't take much to snap a hundred foot pine.

[00:28:09] Sarah Listi: Okay. It doesn't take much. Like it's, they're like toothpicks. I was like, I'm not trying to have that on my house. Like, we're just going to say no to that. But so that's crazy. I can't even

[00:28:18] Eric Goranson: imagine. Our trees are so big. They're almost 200 feet tall. Yeah. And we have a lot of them. Yeah. Our These are just big trees, but it's just that big four feet wide, you know,

[00:28:29] Sarah Listi: I can't imagine not having a garden though.

[00:28:30] Sarah Listi: I have a huge garden and orchard, but it is, we have to be really careful. Full sun is

[00:28:34] Eric Goranson: tough. And my neighbors did some, maybe a little more, they did some thinning of their trees, but it's a big grove we're in. Sure. So it's just, you

[00:28:40] Sarah Listi: just don't have to decide if it's, if you're not sure if it's going to work.

[00:28:44] Sarah Listi: So you're like, is it worth last year? We tried to,

[00:28:46] Eric Goranson: and I'm like,

[00:28:47] Sarah Listi: If it's too discouraging gardening, you need to feel the fruit of your labor. I don't know. We have a huge garden though. I'm such a big herbs and stuff

[00:28:54] Eric Goranson: we can do, but just that full sun like tomatoes and stuff. We can do cherry tomatoes. We get away with it, but not the big ones.

[00:28:59] Sarah Listi: [00:29:00] So cherry tomatoes do good everywhere. They just, they can handle the heat. They don't mind if you're underwatering them. They're happy with everything. I don't want to tell you to, I don't want you to be sad, but I'm growing like green, yellow, red, orange, and white tomatoes this year. That's first time I've never even heard of them.

[00:29:13] Sarah Listi: And I was like, hi, uh, white. Tomato. I want to try this. Like, but my son's obsessed with ketchup. I think we've talked about this before. So Ben has been, and it's so cute. And so now he wants to make ketchup. And so we have a whole arrangement where we like, we're making five bottles of ketchup, two spicy.

[00:29:28] Sarah Listi: Okay. Cause Whataburger has spicy ketchup. Are you a Whataburger fan? I love Whataburger.

[00:29:33] Eric Goranson: Oh, yeah, there's one

[00:29:35] Sarah Listi: here. I gotta get over to it. Oh, it's so good. Okay. So the spice ketchup is out of this world. He's obsessed with and he likes to mix it with the regular one. And I gotta be honest, if you ever can buy the water burger ketchup at the grocery store, it is worth every penny.

[00:29:46] Sarah Listi: It's so good. It's like you will spend the extra 40 cents or whatever. So

[00:29:50] Eric Goranson: here's what's funny. I saw a comedian the other day and I just laughed and he was doing a stand up bit about ketchup. Oh my God. I love it. And he was talking. He goes, you can really tell people when you go over to [00:30:00] their house for barbecue how they're living life.

[00:30:03] Eric Goranson: He goes by the

[00:30:04] Sarah Listi: ketchup they have. Yeah. No, that's valid. That's

[00:30:06] Eric Goranson: valid. He goes, they're hurting when you open up the door and it says hunts. Oh my God.

[00:30:11] Sarah Listi: Stop. Stop. I was totally going to say something else, but that's

[00:30:14] Eric Goranson: amazing because life has to be hard for them. And he goes, you could have called. I could have given you 4.

[00:30:20] Eric Goranson: Oh my God. That's hilarious. And he goes through this whole skit. I was dying.

[00:30:23] Sarah Listi: Oh my gosh. So my son doesn't really, he likes all the ketchups, right? But again, Texas, you gotta have a Whataburger. I love Whataburger. I know. So I'm, I don't want to start something. I don't have my area, but I'm sorry. I know.

[00:30:35] Sarah Listi: That's a bunch of fries are good. The only thing I don't get is like, why are the sodas so big? Have you noticed that when you go to a fast food place? That's true. I mean, everything is bigger, but it's so strange. Cause you're like, I want a medium Coke, right? Occasionally I love a good cone. Got a headache.

[00:30:49] Sarah Listi: And you get this and it's like a gallon of soda. And you're like, who could consume this many calories of a sugary beverage? Like my teeth would rot right out

[00:30:57] Eric Goranson: of my mouth. It's I think what it is. It's people like [00:31:00] McDonald's out there that have, Hey, you want the small? It's a 1. 40. You want the large, extra large truck size?

[00:31:05] Eric Goranson: It's a 1. 40. Yeah, exactly. It makes no sense. As a person, you go, wow, might as well get the large. I'll never

[00:31:11] Sarah Listi: drink it, but I'm okay throwing half of that away. Not okay with it, but I will because I'm like, whatever. Yeah. So that's how they Okay. But are you a diet Coke fan or a Coke fan? I'm a Coke person.

[00:31:20] Sarah Listi: I'm a regular. See, I'm not a diet. I'm one of those weird people that like, and this might be another Texas thing. That cannot eat like ranch dressing in a bottle because it has like a preservative flavor. Is that weird? It's so weird to me. Like I, it just, it has to be fresh. I want to make it. Yeah. I'm so sensitive to it.

[00:31:39] Sarah Listi: And then it's funny. My poor husband. Okay. Are you an onion eater? Oh yeah. Okay. I love cooked onions, grilled onions. I hate raw onions. I am one of those people. It's so weird. It happened when I was pregnant with my oldest. I can smell if you ate onions in the last 24 hours. Even if you were not around me, like this poor man, I'll be like, Hey, did you eat onions today?

[00:31:59] Sarah Listi: And he's [00:32:00] like, how did, there were two onions in this bowl. How did you know that? And I don't know what it is. It's so strange. It's not like an off, but it just, I just know. God love. You should be like one of those CIA dogs, the canines. Thank you. I think. So with the news like that, isn't it good? We have battery powered power.

[00:32:19] Eric Goranson: Okay. So I'm going to ask you on this before we run out of time, but I know. How was that on murder house flip when you're in all these homes with all these homes that had dead people in them and you're going in these spaces and renovating,

[00:32:32] Sarah Listi: you know, what's funny with that is I don't, there was, there's only one issue with the smell and you and I've talked about this episode before.

[00:32:38] Sarah Listi: Where, and you don't notice it when you first walk in the room, because at some point, somebody did enough to the house to conceal whatever happened. But there was one specific house, it was a Travis Alexander house, it was so sad, such a sad case. That was the Jodi Arians? Yes. And where they, we pulled back the carpet and it was blood on the [00:33:00] subfloor.

[00:33:00] Sarah Listi: When I tell you, I don't even know how you would explain that smell. I imagine if a meat market lost all of their cooling and it's, I don't even know, I'm going crazy, but I just. I will never forget that smell as long as I live. Like it was so pungent and disgusting.

[00:33:15] Eric Goranson: I knew that wasn't acting. I'm like, no, I saw that reaction.

[00:33:22] Eric Goranson: I saw that reaction. I'm like, Oh, that's real. Yeah.

[00:33:25] Sarah Listi: That's real. Yeah. And it was funny. Cause my co host Mikkel, he is a riot. He was so fun to work with on this, but it was our reaction. He was like, I was like, Oh my God, this smell. And he was like, Oh my God. It was so funny. It was so real. It was so funny. It was so real.

[00:33:38] Sarah Listi: So that one will give you like the heebie jeebies. Okay. Day. Cause you're just like, I know what happened and I see it and it's hard to unsee it. Whereas everything else had been long enough that for the most part, there really wasn't there was major signs of it like that. And that was the last show we actually filmed, even though it aired first.

[00:33:54] Sarah Listi: Yeah. So it was, it was a way to end. It was the vibe. And then we had the [00:34:00] cool forensic guy come in. He was Dr. Frokman. I think it's really fascinating guy. And we're like spraying that spray everywhere. And it's like baseboards, the lights. I was like, I wish that show

[00:34:10] Eric Goranson: would have been an

[00:34:10] Sarah Listi: hour longer. I always, I said the same thing.

[00:34:13] Sarah Listi: I would have loved you. You don't get a lot of. You don't have a lot of time. I know. And I, and I get they're trying to keep attention, et cetera, but I would have loved to have shown more of like really the construction process and like how we, and not just say we fixed it. Like how did we remedy? I would have loved it.

[00:34:27] Sarah Listi: Done that. It's

[00:34:28] Eric Goranson: interesting. TV production. Sure. It's so hard.

[00:34:30] Sarah Listi: And we filmed for four or five days, I guess four days really on each home, but it's a lot to cram into four days. And so I feel like there's. It's crazy that you took those four days of filming too, and then made it into a 22 minute episode or 23 minutes.

[00:34:44] Sarah Listi: Like, it's a really weird, it's an interesting experience. And let's

[00:34:47] Eric Goranson: talk about that with TV. That's an interesting thing. So I do with Bradley and I, and Ryan who helps us, he's on my team of reaching out and helping to get with companies and stuff like that. That's our entire film team and [00:35:00] production team and everything.

[00:35:00] Eric Goranson: So it's basically Bradley and I in the field. That's a 40 minutes of Television

[00:35:05] Sarah Listi: week. And people don't realize how much that is. That's a lot.

[00:35:08] Eric Goranson: It's a lot. Like I did that pizza oven build where I built my brick fired pizza oven out there. We had 20 hours. Oh my gosh. Of footage. Of footage for that. And it was a eight and a half minute segment.

[00:35:21] Sarah Listi: So it's hard too. It's funny because I'll film like a project for social, right? And you can, I, I have hours out. An insane amount of content on my phone. I have an eight terabyte plan on my, cause I have so much and I have deleted hours and hours of footage, but it's crazy because you post something 15 or 32nd clip on social and it's, I was.

[00:35:43] Sarah Listi: Four days of work. Or it's so crazy when you really start to think of it, but you're like a seasoned pro too. So you, you get, it's probably really easy for you to walk in and knock it out. Right.

[00:35:50] Eric Goranson: We do, but it's still, it's just the process. Cause you're still having to build something and there's no

[00:35:56] Sarah Listi: shortcuts.

[00:35:56] Eric Goranson: There's no shortcuts. Cause you still have to do the

[00:35:58] Sarah Listi: projects. And you're like [00:36:00] me where I want to do it right all the time. A hundred percent. I don't, I'm not the shortcut person. Like we just did an Arbor build at our house. So I think I told you again, Because why wouldn't you? I have 43 chickens, two dogs, two kids, frankly a husband, and why wouldn't you need 12 different grape varieties?

[00:36:16] Sarah Listi: Of course, this sounds great. 80 fruit trees. Nothing to do. I don't have anything. Totally a lot of free time. It's great. So we're doing this grape bar rebuild and it's so funny because my husband would be like, so how do you want to handle this? And I'm like, just goes through. It's so funny how when you are involved in construction, you're like, okay, no, if I do, this is going to have more force here.

[00:36:34] Sarah Listi: And I need to the compensation and the way you plan it out. And in my mind, I'm like, no, we're going to put it here. And he's like, what? Yeah. And I'm like, no, like this, like that. It's such an interesting experience. Really immerse yourself. And, but you're like, I also want it to look good. So I needed to do this and that, and I need to have cross supports here and I need this much weight dissipate.

[00:36:50] Sarah Listi: It's so interesting how much our mind. It is. And you

[00:36:54] Eric Goranson: get into that, but it's just like when you're doing woodworking projects, you're starting, okay, here's the first cut. You still have to build [00:37:00] it. And

[00:37:00] Sarah Listi: it's funny because there's no shortcuts in that. I think I told you last time I saw you, I've had busy with a couple other smaller projects and campaigns that I've had going on.

[00:37:07] Sarah Listi: I'm still working on the bar cart. It's going to take, or the tea, coffee, cabinet. It's going to take me. Months probably because anytime you're doing like that kind of detail work, too You have to like remove yourself from it occasionally Yeah, and get back into it, especially because I don't have a deadline on that like it's mine I know but I did finally pick a color for the shutters.

[00:37:30] Sarah Listi: There you go. I know i'm going with I said Sage green for it. I feel like that's a cool way to look at modern. Is it not? It's classic, but like it's a little of everything. I feel like it's going to be, it took me a long time to settle on that. There we go.

[00:37:42] Eric Goranson: A little shutter update

[00:37:43] Sarah Listi: from the last conversation about that too.

[00:37:46] Sarah Listi: And it's funny. It's, it was interesting how many people asked me questions about that. And I didn't realize how many people would have shutter repairs. And if you Google it, there's no information. So I'm definitely going to do, I'm going to, that's honestly why I've delayed it a little bit. Cause I want to [00:38:00] focus on doing more long form content on it.

[00:38:02] Sarah Listi: Cause I feel like there's a need for it. You know what I mean? Absolutely. Yeah. No, it's funny.

[00:38:06] Eric Goranson: I can't wait after we're done here. I'm going to go out and check out the outdoor area outside out here. Cause we got, I'm like, okay, I know there's pizza ovens out there and

[00:38:15] Sarah Listi: there's barbecue out there. It smelled good when I was walking in hours ago and Oh my God.

[00:38:20] Sarah Listi: Marry me. Yeah. I gotta get out there. Oh my God. It's laughing at me. Yeah. I was like, marry me, please. They had a couple of cool chefs at the event last night that I'm excited to see what they can. I know I didn't get to talk to him as much, but towards the end I got to briefly and they looked like they have just as much fun entering a room as they do cooking.

[00:38:37] Sarah Listi: And I'm like, I am. You are my people. Like I'm here for you. So

[00:38:41] Eric Goranson: one of my, one of my great friends does a national barbecue radio show. It's Jeff Tracy, the cowboy. So him and Leanne Whippen, who won the first year of the master IQ with Bobby Flay on TV, show together. And so Anyway, they knew them. So I was blown up their phone at 10 30 last night, [00:39:00] taking pictures and sending it to them and I love that.

[00:39:02] Eric Goranson: And

[00:39:02] Sarah Listi: all that stuff. It's crazy how interconnected the little world is. There's a lot of us here, but there's a lot of people who have met over and it's neat because I love that. That's one of the best parts about coming to events like national hardware show. Obviously we get to see all the new cool stuff, which is amazing, but you get to reconnect with all these people that you maybe haven't seen for a year, which is.

[00:39:20] Sarah Listi: Absolutely. What is the last time I actually saw you? Would have been here last year. It was last year. I love man. That's too long. That's too long. Cause I didn't get it. Yeah. We, a couple of events I didn't make last year. Yeah, exactly.

[00:39:29] Eric Goranson: Yeah. But then we get to see all the other people here. Ethan, we got dirt monkey.

[00:39:32] Eric Goranson: We got everybody

[00:39:33] Sarah Listi: here. Yeah. Tools in action is here. We've got tools by design and live and tool pros. My God, they're so amazing. So absolutely. All those guys. We got a

[00:39:40] Eric Goranson: cool crew. Yep. Going out with Catherine Emery last night. That was

[00:39:43] Sarah Listi: always crazy. She, oh, she's such a hoot. I love Catherine. She was one of my first, like really true friends in the industry.

[00:39:49] Sarah Listi: And I will always absolutely adore her. And I'm always amazed by her energy and enthusiasm for everything. Like it's. It's you can just, it's infectious in the best way. Yeah. We were going over to

[00:39:58] Eric Goranson: the event from dinner. We went over here to this. [00:40:00] It's that Italian restaurant over here that they film

[00:40:02] Sarah Listi: casino in.

[00:40:02] Sarah Listi: Oh yes. Yeah. That was cool. We were talking about. Yeah. And they have good food.

[00:40:05] Eric Goranson: Yeah, it was great food. Sit in there, had some great food. And then we all piled into an Uber van and there was like 10 people in a six person van, people sitting on the floor. We just all jumped over, went over to the event last night.

[00:40:16] Sarah Listi: It was cool. Whenever you get to be around people who like, love their life and love what they do and just want to share it. It's Yeah. And it's neat too, because we talk about all these amazing influencers and creators and people in the industry. I love watching the show coverage from all of those people because they may see things I never got to see and vice versa.

[00:40:33] Sarah Listi: Are you

[00:40:34] Eric Goranson: jealous? Oh, cool.

[00:40:35] Sarah Listi: We should have seen that. Like I'm literally, there's something called fire safe. I see filter by what are we, there's so much to check out. There's so

[00:40:43] Eric Goranson: many places. There's a

[00:40:45] Sarah Listi: lot of stuff here. Humidifier. Oh, a ventilation system for the garage. Okay. There we go. I can use that.

[00:40:50] Sarah Listi: Humidity is a hundred percent in Texas right now. Oh yeah. That's not a big issue for us. But we get three semi dry days a year or something. Not even. It's so bad. That's when you have wildfires. So yeah. No, that's [00:41:00] true. So I will say we had a drought last year. We've had a lot of rain already this year.

[00:41:04] Sarah Listi: I'll take that because for that reason alone, is it a hassle at other ways? Yes, but it's fingers crossed. Yeah. We're not too bad. Are you ready to go get some food?

[00:41:11] Eric Goranson: Let's go get some food. Let's do it. All right, everybody. Serial listing. Thanks for coming on. How do

[00:41:15] Sarah Listi: people find you out there? Okay. You can give your channels.

[00:41:18] Sarah Listi: Oh, I love it. I'm like, okay, I got to get the low down. So you can find me on my blog at tool, girls, garage. com. And of course, every social media platform at tool girls garage. And thank you for having me. I always love catching up with you. Always fun. I

[00:41:29] Eric Goranson: love it. Alright guys, I'm Eric G and you've been listening to Around the

[00:41:34] Sarah Listi: House.