Track 1: Hello and welcome to Left to the Projector. I'm your host Evan,

Track 1: back again for another film discussion from the left.

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Track 1: With me, I think for the fourth time, I think that's correct,

Track 1: I have the hosts Griff and Chris of Bring Out Your Dead.

Track 1: Welcome back to discuss this marvelous film, which I forgot to even say because no one wants to say it.

Track 1: We're talking about the 13 nominated film Emilia Perez.

Track 2: I'm not, you are. I refuse. Me duele la pinche vulva.

Track 2: You know what? You can cut this out if you think it's too vulgar,

Track 2: Evan. I know you're a married man now, but cast yourself back to being single.

Track 2: If you got like a voice note from a Tinder date and they were like Like,

Track 2: when I think about you, my vulva aches.

Track 2: How would you react to that?

Track 1: I would be... That would be a little bit too weird for me.

Track 2: But we were saying that lots of stuff has come out about this movie,

Track 2: that it was written in French and then just translated.

Track 2: Yeah, like Google translated, literally. So maybe that's what people in France say.

Track 2: Yeah, they are perverts. They are perverts. Pervert land.

Track 1: Interesting. Yeah, but so for anyone who's been living under a rock or just

Track 1: hasn't heard anything, This film is deeply polarizing,

Track 1: mostly on the bad scale from the director kind of just saying some shitty things,

Track 1: defending the way he made this movie.

Track 1: The star of the film, Carla Gasson, being a horrible, horrible person with some

Track 1: horrible, horrible tweets, praising Mr.

Track 1: Mustache Man and anti all kinds of things. people have probably all heard about

Track 1: all of those things and so,

Track 1: it's it's it's kind of amazing sometimes you get controversy around a movie

Track 1: that's maybe good and you're like oh well but the people in it are bad but maybe

Track 1: i can appreciate the movie this is like the rare instance where it's not that

Track 1: it's a terrible movie with terrible people about a terrible thing it.

Track 2: Doesn't even have like camp value you know what i mean like because

Track 2: the the other the other sort of controversial film before this was that robbie

Track 2: williams film and i've not watched it but there's like you know there's like

Track 2: they're going for some kind of like they're going like a camp value like it

Track 2: seems to be competently made this is just bad in every single sense of the word

Track 2: there's not a single way that is not bad griff did you know that this movie killed david lynch.

Track 1: He was like.

Track 2: Yep i'm gone yeah it's over it's over film is over now.

Track 1: Yeah and so and i guess i'll very briefly like since yeah there's lots of controversy if you

Track 1: google this film there's a countless articles about

Track 1: like the rise and fall of amelia paris there's one in the guardian i

Track 1: have open you know like what went wrong with this oscar nominated film

Track 1: i think we'll save some of the like oscar aspects and

Track 1: like the just why people even like

Track 1: why this movie is even getting any kind of press to begin

Track 1: with from a critic perspective you know you could

Track 1: put critics in quotation marks i mean are those actually the real critics

Track 1: but as a film itself the the general plot

Track 1: of this is a a leader of

Track 1: a uh cartel in mexico he um

Track 1: wants to transition to be a woman he

Track 1: brings this kind of up-and-coming lawyer from

Track 1: from town to help her transition and then as the film progresses she ends up

Track 1: starting a ngo to help people find their lost loved ones from the violence of

Track 1: cartels in Mexico. And, uh...

Track 1: that's about all i can say i mean i.

Track 2: Mean don't don't forget the aspect of like manipulating and then abusing her

Track 2: ex-wife that's also like a.

Track 1: Major that's true and so that is that is an actress played that that character

Track 1: is played by selena gomez who

Track 1: gives maybe the worst performance of her entire career i mean it is just.

Track 2: I'm i'm i was just thinking no she's the only one going for it like she actually

Track 2: like i mean she can't speak spanish and that's why it's a terrible performance

Track 2: but she's at least trying to do something everyone else it's like just on autopilot.

Track 1: Yeah she kind of overacted to a point where it just felt like it yeah i i give

Track 1: it i think that someone i was talking to said that she was just not the right

Track 1: person for this role yeah nobody was nobody was.

Track 2: Like i'm gonna push back on that someone from mexico was the right person yeah.

Track 1: Any role so that's

Track 1: that's an added piece of the controversy and maybe i should also say

Track 1: i'm not outing you that you both live in mexico so

Track 1: you have some more uh eyes to the ground intel that

Track 1: we would do not have in living in the imperial core that

Track 1: is uh the united states but there is no

Track 1: mexican actors in this film there is no mexican crew

Track 1: the director jacques uh jacques whatever is uh is it audyard audyard yeah jacques

Track 1: audyard he basically said like he didn't bother doing any research into mexico

Track 1: he didn't film this in mexico he doesn't care about mexico he basically yeah he.

Track 2: Doesn't need to learn spanish because it's the language of poor countries is what he said.

Track 1: Everything about the yeah yeah.

Track 2: Yeah digest that one digest that one yeah and again like i think sort of they're

Track 2: like in mexico like people know it's offensive but it's just like yeah again

Track 2: why did you why did you bother making this film in spanish because,

Track 2: Selena Gomez can't speak Spanish. Zoe Saldana is so clearly Caribbean.

Track 2: Like her accent is, she's from Dominican Republic. Her accent is very clearly

Track 2: from there. And every single other person sounds Spanish.

Track 2: And in Spanish, the Spanish accent is like a super identifiable,

Track 2: very obvious, very ugly accent.

Track 2: And so it's just like, it's not in Mexico.

Track 1: Isn't that where Carla Gasson is from? She's from Spain.

Track 2: Yeah, she's from Spain. She's from Spain.

Track 1: So like you couldn't even cast your one title person,

Track 1: you know i understand they wanted to include someone which

Track 1: we think we should also talk about this too so the she is

Track 1: played by a trans actress uh carla

Track 1: gasson and she plays a trans character in the in the film and god where was

Track 1: i going to go with this so that was sort of like the the one thing they did

Track 1: i guess you could say to try and be inclusive but at the same time her character

Track 1: is also very one-dimensional and sort of like almost anti-trans.

Track 2: But you can't try to go for some sort of inclusive like movie when your whole

Track 2: setting and the whole people and the culture is not included in the story arc.

Track 2: And I'll tell you one thing. I'll tell you one thing quickly.

Track 2: Mexicans, right? We live in Mexico. Mexicans, it's impossible to insult a Mexican.

Track 2: Yeah. They have the thickest skin.

Track 2: Yeah. Right? They just insult each other all the time. They don't give a shit.

Track 2: You just can't hurt them.

Track 2: Yeah. And they are hurt by this movie. That shows how bad it is.

Track 2: But also, the thing is that, like, the fact that the main character is a trans

Track 2: woman and portrayed by a trans woman is what they're using to sort of,

Track 2: like, present this as a kind of liberal, progressive film.

Track 2: Basically, that's what they're getting their credentials out of.

Track 2: And then every single thing in the film is just deeply, deeply regressive.

Track 2: You know what I mean? It's like...

Track 1: And I think that speaks to the fact that, like, Like they were going for this

Track 1: liberal kind of like anti-woke concept.

Track 1: And that's what I think is the, and I said we'd talk about this later,

Track 1: but I just have to say it now is that's, that's why I think you're seeing all

Track 1: of these award, award shows.

Track 1: This movie got four golden globes. It got the best comedy slash musical above

Track 1: like actual good movies.

Track 1: And it got the best not English language film. I mean, again,

Track 1: you can say what you will about awards, but I think the people who run these

Track 1: award shows and vote on these award shows they saw ooh musical mexico trans person boom.

Track 2: Award nomination but yeah best comedy

Track 2: well it's comedy or musical yeah i

Track 2: picked up on that too i did not laugh it doesn't jump

Track 2: the shark except for one scene where it goes into that sort of ridiculous it

Track 2: goes for camp one point yeah one point it no this this is dealing which we will

Track 2: get to this is dealing with like like the deepest scar in Mexico's like Mexican

Track 2: society. Yeah. It's not a fucking comedy.

Track 2: And I think actually one thing, we should actually state, the Mexican drug war,

Track 2: it's hard to know how many people it's killed, but it's killed at least 500,000 Mexicans.

Track 2: And that is then minus 1,000 Mexicans who have just disappeared.

Track 2: No one knows where they are.

Track 2: 100,000. 100,000, sorry. Yeah, 100,000 Mexicans who just disappeared and no

Track 2: one knows where they are.

Track 2: It has been the cause of mass sexual violence, mass torture.

Track 2: It has displaced another, like maybe 100,000, 200,000 Mexicans have been internally displaced.

Track 2: this is what the film is using as its subject matter and using as a prop for

Track 2: the self-actualization of emilia perez like yes.

Track 1: You're supposed you're supposed to almost initially like the way that they sort

Track 1: of introduce the the character i think what is uh his name before it's.

Track 2: Like las manitas it's like it's like mono de las manitas which again is not

Track 2: what a mexican would call themselves it's not a mexican name no las manitas like yeah like.

Track 1: So it's you're immediately brought

Track 1: to them in like in like a very stereotypical way like she's

Track 1: put into a car the black bag overhead taken to you

Track 1: know wherever she goes to meet to meet up with uh

Track 1: to be offered this opportunity to help

Track 1: him undergo a gender affirming surgery and

Track 1: become this new person and have this new life and leave behind everything

Track 1: that you know that she uh or he at this point has uh you know as part of this

Track 1: thing you're almost it's it's almost like spitting in the face of like i think

Track 1: of other movies and i hate to bring this one up but like sicario just because

Track 1: we're talking about uh you know films by my least favorite director dennis villanuevo but no.

Track 2: Be careful chris is a fan of.

Track 1: Villanuevo i think he's pretty good anyway we don't we don't need to go down

Track 1: that hole and people are going to hate me enough uh for but.

Track 2: I i also hate villanuevo.

Track 1: But i think of like other movies where they where they bring in drug cartel

Track 1: and that kind of thing and they give it at least some like grit and like give

Track 1: it both sides you know showing the horrors of it in this they don't even really

Track 1: show you the horror they're like celebrating and dancing and shit like it's.

Track 2: Because because again the main character is the head

Track 2: of a drug cartel if they showed what like drug cartels actually do there would

Track 2: be no way of elisting empathy for emilia perez so they just have to ignore it

Track 2: and pretend that it's fine and i'll talk about a little bit later in the story

Track 2: There's ways that are even more offensive of them sort of making it like,

Track 2: oh, it's fine that these people are dying.

Track 2: It's fine that Mexicans just kill each other. Get over it. I'll go into more detail on that later.

Track 2: the reason they don't do that is because you can't do that right the only if

Track 2: if you made the film actually about what's happening in mexico then you would

Track 2: be like we should shoot amelia pedas get a shot straight away you know what

Track 2: i mean it's like we we did say we weren't going to like you know go scene by

Track 2: scene in the movie but uh i do want to do that a little bit yeah.

Track 1: No i mean we definitely go through it but i don't in some parts i think they're worth.

Track 2: But there might be some parts that you that you as an american uh like did not

Track 2: pick up or i'm i'm that's without it down i mean i think there's things that.

Track 1: I just there's times where i'm just like i couldn't i don't want to say i couldn't

Track 1: follow it but the music and the songs just took away from like if the first

Track 1: note that i wrote in my thing in my notes was why is this a musical.

Track 2: Yeah why is this a musical and there's no reason and also the way they put this

Track 2: because we were just looking up before it's like how many songs are in it it's

Track 2: 43 songs and none of them are memorable yeah and also And also,

Track 2: yeah, and none of them are memorable.

Track 2: There's two big ones where they put it like a set piece. It's like,

Track 2: this is a set piece musical sort of number.

Track 2: But the rest of them are just, they come across as like, they forgot it was a musical.

Track 2: Like, oh, fuck, put a song in. Put a song right here. Just make them sing now. You know what I mean?

Track 2: I don't know, right? But at the opening of the movie, I don't know if this would have followed.

Track 2: Fallen flat it felt flat for us i don't know if it would have fallen flat

Track 2: for everybody but like you know you got to establish your scene

Track 2: you got to establish like where are you what's your world like yeah and

Track 2: it's like she's in mexico city okay so we have

Track 2: our lawyer which is zoe salana she's she's

Track 2: our lawyer she's a she's a lawyer who's like disenfranchised with

Track 2: the corruption of the mexican system how would you know that griff because

Track 2: what's it there because she says what she

Track 2: feels she's sitting at a taco stand with

Track 2: her macbook yeah right right yeah like

Track 2: writing like just obviously i don't have to this is not happening

Track 2: right yeah writing up like like her i don't

Track 2: know her like writing up something to say in court um and

Track 2: it's it's it's amazing because group brought this up a

Track 2: lot it's like it's so quiet yeah you've got

Track 2: this like this mexico city street scene and a tianguis

Track 2: a market with tacos and all this stuff yeah it's just

Track 2: so quiet and nobody's acting right yeah

Track 2: and even even the city like mexico city

Track 2: is an iconic city has very iconic architecture

Track 2: it's like very beautiful colonial buildings very unique art deco kind of buildings

Track 2: yeah and what clearly happened was odiad was like well it's latin america it

Track 2: probably looks like a shithole let's just go to let's just go to a shithole

Track 2: in paris and film it there yeah and it's so obviously in paris like the courthouse

Track 2: yeah they couldn't even build.

Track 1: A set inside like Like, make it at least like Mexico.

Track 2: But, like, it's small things. It's small things like that. Like,

Track 2: the woman who's serving her tacos is like, you're going to be late. And it's like, stop.

Track 2: Okay. None of this is going to happen. And you're going to be late for what?

Track 2: For going to court in the middle of the night? Yeah.

Track 2: Like, none of this makes sense. And then they all start dancing like it's high

Track 2: school musical for a moment.

Track 2: Yeah. And she sings about how she's, what does she, like, the songs are so bad,

Track 2: but it's like, basically.

Track 1: It's about the person who has to, like, she has to argue that they've been,

Track 1: like, killed by suicide or something.

Track 2: Yeah, so it's a guy who murdered his wife, and then the Aguasir,

Track 2: like the prosecutor, calls her

Track 2: up and he's like, no, you have to write a report saying it was a suicide.

Track 2: And so that's like her kind of like, that's supposed to be sort of the explanation

Track 2: of why she then accepts Amelia Perez's office.

Track 2: She's like, she's done with the legal system, it's too corrupt.

Track 2: But again, there's no connective tissue there. It doesn't connect those two

Track 2: ideas. I do remember now, now that you're saying this scene, I do remember.

Track 2: So we go into the court scene and it's some weird like Star Wars looking courtroom.

Track 2: I don't know what the fuck are they doing? Like, it's like, it's not how it looks.

Track 2: Anyway, and like, I guess the lawyer's giving his closing remarks and his closing

Track 2: remarks are literally like, you think that my client killed this person?

Track 2: Obviously not. And then everybody goes,

Track 2: like like amazing amazing you convinced me.

Track 1: It feels like the to me as an american watching

Track 1: this the the impression that i got in watching that opening

Track 1: bit like giving the context to this lawyer who's going to be you know the the

Track 1: the main the other main character i guess in the film is the mexican legal system

Track 1: is corrupt and stupid and bad and um you should just laugh at them for their

Track 1: stupid corrupt mexican court system.

Track 2: Yeah no but but what you know again people don't

Track 2: know what like good corruption looks like corruption in mexico

Track 2: it's not like just a bunch of jokers arriving you know

Track 2: at 11 o'clock at night with taco stains on their shirt yeah like

Track 2: they they have a they have a judicial system they

Track 2: have they have rules yeah and in fact in fact they have it's

Track 2: corrupt they have they have an extremely intricate bureaucracy mexican

Track 2: bureaucracy is the most annoying thing to deal with yeah it's a very bureaucratic

Track 2: country it's a country where like everything has to be rubber stamped

Track 2: everything has to be this and this and this you can't just be like oh

Track 2: you know what last minute make it a suicide it's like no you have to get like five people

Track 2: to stamp that document yeah and then

Track 2: yeah and then and then so she wins the case and then

Track 2: she sings and she's sad uh because she tells us she's

Track 2: sad in the song and then she gets a phone call from a mystery voice

Track 2: and it's like meet me at the taco stand so we can use the

Track 2: same set again yeah and she

Track 2: goes back and then like and then her phone rings again or it's just like you

Track 2: want to make money and then they kidnap her yeah right oh wait can you hear

Track 2: the noise by the way can you hear the noise of the city yeah i did more noise

Track 2: than in the film exactly because mexico is a noisy place and that's not that's

Track 2: not a criticism it just is noisy all the time yeah.

Track 2: But yeah anyway and then they get taken off to like not to like

Track 2: the the not to las manitas like the drug kingpin

Track 2: narco as house but just to

Track 2: the desert where they're all listening to reggaeton which is

Track 2: not mexican music yeah like yeah i've i have this with the songs like

Track 2: so there's a couple songs where they kind of put like 15 reggaeton into it and

Track 2: it's like and again it's a french fucking director he's like oh reggaeton that's

Track 2: latino shit mexican reggaeton is not mexican and in fact mexicans don't listen

Track 2: to a lot of reggaeton yeah you know mexicans mostly listen to like band and

Track 2: knock down your cumbia. Let me tell you one thing, right?

Track 2: Cast your mind back to the opening scene of this movie, the very first scene.

Track 2: The camera zooms in. We got three mariachis.

Track 2: Yeah. And they're like, they've got, they're sobreros and they've got like lights

Track 2: on them and it zooms into them. And I'm like,

Track 2: like the cinematography is like oh that's interesting they never once used mariachi

Track 2: music yeah in the whole thing so why are they established like they're just

Track 2: doing that they're they're dressing up in the most like insulting ways like

Track 2: mexico that's what that says they're like they're making.

Track 1: A movie that is if it was like a mexican restaurant in france or something.

Track 2: Yeah no exactly like and again it is filmed in

Track 2: paris like it is literally ultimate quote it is literally filmed in

Track 2: paris and clearly what are the odds responds to

Track 2: like mexico city latino city it's like

Track 2: oh it would just look like the shittest part of paris obviously like you

Track 2: know i mean and that's what he did yeah it's

Track 2: almost like the last episode we did was um 007 yeah

Track 2: it was golden eye and they go to the space laser center yeah they might as well

Track 2: just written at the bottom this is like number 10 mexico street yeah yeah yeah

Track 2: court number one yeah i think even john's tacos i saw it there was like once

Track 2: there is like it's a tiny shot i just picked i just noticed it because It was like, that's so French.

Track 2: It was like a little, like, you know, this sort of, like, news agent boxes,

Track 2: like a box where they sell newspapers and chocolates and stuff.

Track 2: And it was so obviously a French design. And then just on the top, it said Azteca.

Track 2: It's like Mexico.

Track 1: I wouldn't be surprised if they just actually had, like, French magazines.

Track 1: They just, like, put a little piece of paper over just to, you know, pretend.

Track 2: But we will get into this. But this is like, what is the musical?

Track 2: It's musical. but what is the musical style what is the theme

Track 2: is is this latin american general latin america

Track 2: is this mariachi it's not reggaeton it's again like big band is this i would

Track 2: say i would say there's like 10 reggaeton and then the rest was just like someone

Track 2: who doesn't know how to write music yeah like i was always so quiet like they're

Track 2: whispering oh my god no no i i'm gonna bring this up because i said this to

Track 2: griff already it's just like every time they start singing right

Track 2: First of all, they transition just so, like I was saying to Griff,

Track 2: it's like a bad stinky fart. It slowly creeps in, you know?

Track 2: It's just like they're talking and then they're singing about their, but they never go big.

Track 2: They stay very monotone. They whisper and they're out of tune.

Track 2: And this is like, this is like my sleep paralysis nightmare monster.

Track 2: Yeah. Like singing to me in Spanish. Yeah. That's what it feels like.

Track 1: The one where it was really pronounced the for the first time was when they

Track 1: go to tel aviv when she so she agrees.

Track 2: I i have a like we have a whole thing on like why the fuck did she go to tel

Track 2: aviv she went to bangkok and they were like yeah we'll do the surgery it will

Track 2: cost this much and then for no apparent reason she had to go to tel aviv and

Track 2: get an israeli doctor instead

Track 2: and then and then we're jumping over way too much we'll come we'll come back

Track 2: to it let's get back to that because that deserves well.

Track 1: Yeah i mean well i mean i was kind of like getting to that with just like the

Track 1: music being whispering i was just going to say that the time that i felt there

Track 1: was the worst was when they're at the tel aviv doctor talking about the surgery.

Track 2: And he's being transphobic even though he's yeah he's being transphobic even

Track 2: though he's a sex change doctor yeah and yeah.

Track 1: And then he and then they sing the little song while they're like whispering

Track 1: and i'm like i can't hear you can you can you speak up please.

Track 2: Yeah i really i do think it's just that no one in this film can sing like you

Track 2: know like no one is no one can sing no one can actually sing One person can

Track 2: sing, and I'll get to her later. One person can sing.

Track 2: But yeah, no, like, so, yeah. Anyway, she gets kidnapped. She gets brought to,

Track 2: like, the Natico hideout. And then she meets Las Manitas.

Track 2: And... Again, I want to...

Track 2: on all the ways he's not Mexican so Las Manitas

Track 2: he's got grills and he's got face tattoos and

Track 2: that is not what a Mexican narco looks like a Mexican narco looks like Chilino

Track 2: Sanchez that's what a Mexican narco looks like and instead again there's like

Track 2: oh it's like Latinos I've seen some photos of like MS-13 they get face tattoos

Track 2: and it's like it's just not it's like but Las Manitas like is like hey I want you to,

Track 2: to like help me get a sex change and then Zoe Saldana has her one moment in

Track 2: the movie where she speaks in she goes why the fuck are you asking me to do

Track 2: this yeah like i'm a lawyer yeah and like i'm a pretty prominent lawyer yeah

Track 2: yeah it's like basically do you.

Track 1: Want to be rich like do you want.

Track 2: Yeah yeah do you want to be rich and then zoe goes um yeah and

Track 2: again that's the thing sure that's the thing like well because again the first song

Track 2: was supposed was her literally saying like i'm sick of this corrupt

Track 2: system so i guess the the inference is like okay

Track 2: she's ready to just like flip and make get her bag but there's

Track 2: no like again the acting is

Track 2: so bad like no one acts a real emotion in this

Track 2: film there's no emotional moment where it's always

Track 2: had done is like fuck all of this i'm sick of it i'm just gonna be a nihilist

Track 2: there's no acting there's no sense of emotion there's

Track 2: no sense of feeling she's just like yeah okay save it

Track 2: again she doesn't she also doesn't she then she accepts the

Track 2: deal with las manitas but she doesn't do this to

Track 2: sort of be like oh you know what like i've been part of this corrupt mexican

Track 2: like bureaucratic judiciary system she's just like no i'm just going to go full

Track 2: in now and i'm going to do it for money but money was never the thing she was

Track 2: interested in yeah she has money yeah but like that's the one thing that sways

Track 2: her he's like i'll do it for money yeah doesn't.

Track 1: She hand him a doesn't she hand her a check it's.

Track 2: Like no i think that was his contract and he like shows her his phone he's like

Track 2: look how much money i've got right he literally shows her his phone he's like

Track 2: look at my bank account i mean you're ready to think.

Track 1: He has like a billion dollars or something or like hundreds.

Track 2: Of millions well I mean again it's not really because again I originally thought

Track 2: it was the Sinaloa cartel I've never said which cartel it is but as the head

Track 2: of a cartel I mean probably not a billionaire but definitely like hundreds of

Track 2: millions like you know what I mean like

Track 2: yeah and no and then so she says yes and then and then and then the then the

Track 2: fun starts yeah like the one part so.

Track 1: Here here's the thing so we you're talking about the israeli thing so and you

Track 1: were saying like okay she goes to bangkok and they're like oh no we're not gonna

Track 1: do that one then they go to.

Track 2: Tel aviv the best song of the movie to me well yeah that is that's the only

Track 2: time in the movie where it was.

Track 1: Like kind of funny and like wait.

Track 2: A minute yeah it was do you remember it was the only it

Track 2: was the only part of the movie where i was like actually fully locked

Track 2: in paying attention when it just like what did that song go like

Track 2: it was like it was it was like la vagina plastia yeah

Track 2: it was it was like man to woman from penis to vagina no like they're dancing

Track 2: around and just no it goes like this are you ready hello very nice to meet you

Track 2: i'd like to know about a sex change operation i see i see man to woman or woman

Track 2: to man see if the whole film had.

Track 1: Been like that style of songs it actually wouldn't like it would be laughably bad but at least not like.

Track 2: It would be it would be like camp it would be like a cult movie yeah it would

Track 2: be like that was the one time where they're actually having fun yeah and yeah

Track 2: and it's the only time i think for all three of us the only time you like i

Track 2: actually like put my phone down and like paid attention you know i was watching

Track 2: i was watching between my fingers in front of my face what do you make of them.

Track 1: Choosing israel like do you think that that was like purely like a choice because.

Track 2: I mean like i was saying it's like was it zainas and i was like you know what

Track 2: actually probably an israeli doctor probably is the only one who would do a

Track 2: sex change for a narco i mean everything actually says a lot but like but just

Track 2: going back a little bit like that whole song that they sing in bangkok is literally

Track 2: the doctor saying yeah i'll do that yeah i'll do that yeah,

Track 2: and even in the song he's like this the song is so fucking long he lists like

Track 2: 10 different surgeries and then and then like and then she's like how much and

Track 2: he's like it cost this much it cost this much it cost this much mammoplasty

Track 2: yes thailand is a thailand is too poor.

Track 1: We can't have you like you know scoundrels.

Track 2: But again it doesn't make sense because the doctor the doctor is like okay this

Track 2: is all the stuff we'll do and it costs this much money and then she's like okay

Track 2: and then the next scene she's like in tel aviv it's like what oh i can't find

Track 2: anybody to do this she has to.

Track 1: Get her uh she has to get a second opinion for uh.

Track 2: Yeah yeah you know a lower price And like, this is another thing as well.

Track 2: I don't know what all the Oscars they're nominated for, but it's like one of

Track 2: them for like, I don't know, for location. Is that an Oscar?

Track 2: or for like the scenes or whatever

Track 2: because when they go to when they go to tel aviv it's obviously just an office

Track 2: yeah in in paris you know but it just says tel aviv at the bottom and this happens

Track 2: throughout it they end up in switzerland and it just says switzerland at the

Track 2: bottom and they just are running a smoke machine so it looks like they're in

Track 2: the clouds so that it's so lazy i.

Track 1: Can i can this is this will take a while because they've

Track 1: been nominated for 13 but they've been nominated for best picture international

Track 1: film director actress supporting actress adapted screenplay film editing which

Track 1: goddamn best sound best cinematography best hair and makeup and hair design

Track 1: or hair styling original score and best original song twice two original scores songs.

Track 2: Also is it is a vagina plasty one of them one of the songs the one that um i

Track 2: just sang no also that's the best one also not to be too catty but best hair

Track 2: and makeup selena gomez has the worst fucking dye job i've ever seen in this also.

Track 1: The editing like the times where there's weird cuts so

Track 1: oh so hold on i wrote this down like i wrote

Track 1: down like the most silly notes in here but there's one that

Track 1: i can't when she was about to buy her her flight on like first class they're

Track 1: like are you sure you want to buy this she's like pulls out her credit card

Track 1: she drops her credit card onto the ground and then it zooms into the lights

Track 1: of the credit card and then it becomes the headlights for the airplane in quite

Track 1: possibly the dumbest transition i've ever seen in a film.

Track 2: Like you're reminding me

Track 2: though you're reminding me of that scene like she calls she calls

Track 2: like the airline and it's just like hey i want to fly to bangkok tomorrow

Track 2: something like that and she's like oh okay that's going to cost like it's like

Track 2: two weeks the next flight is in two weeks yeah it's like two weeks

Track 2: it's ten thousand dollars it's like oh no i need to go tomorrow it's just

Track 2: like what you mean like first class and she's like yeah it's like oh that's

Track 2: expensive it's like you work you work for the airline what are you trying to

Track 2: convince her not to spend money nobody has ever had this experience with with

Track 2: an air flight carrier before in their life they're like are you sure you want

Track 2: to spend that much money it's quite expensive yeah yeah.

Track 1: None of that none of that makes any sense whatsoever.

Track 2: Yeah but.

Track 1: Yeah i mean going back to the Israeli thing, I also didn't pin it as necessarily

Track 1: something related to Zionist or anything. I think it was just...

Track 2: I think it's literally just saying like israeli doctors have no morals i think

Track 2: that's just the point well he has morals he he's transphobic yeah that's true

Track 2: and then they have to bring.

Track 1: Him out to to mexico like black bag his face so he doesn't.

Track 2: Know where it's.

Track 1: Going he complained about the loud music in the car it's like bro just relax.

Track 2: Yeah yeah again like have you

Track 2: never heard of the mexican cartels they needed

Track 2: to reuse that scene again it was so memorable that scene was yeah

Track 2: yeah so they yeah they brought him and and then they didn't even i thought they

Track 2: were bringing the doctor to their hideout so to do the surgery but they don't

Track 2: even do the surgery there yeah here look we're getting stuck in the first like

Track 2: 50 minutes and this movie is long yeah we haven't even got to like amelia perez being when she.

Track 1: Becomes amelia perez she sends her her wife and her two kids to live in switzerland

Track 1: which you were saying for you know for an undisclosed amount of time.

Track 2: Now four years it says four okay.

Track 1: Right sorry for well at the time she sends them she doesn't know how long.

Track 2: It's gonna be yeah yeah and.

Track 1: Then at this point she then like go.

Track 2: Starts you know she also she also like creates a

Track 2: whole ruse so that they think she's dead yeah right so she's like yeah and then

Track 2: then it cuts to four years later and zoe zardana's in london like just having

Track 2: a great time doing whatever yeah she's with all of these socialites these arseholes

Track 2: and amelia perez appears at the dinner and is like remember who i am yeah and so yeah that song was.

Track 1: Really terrible holy.

Track 2: No no no but wait a minute i didn't just i didn't realize zoe saldana

Track 2: realizes that that was las manitas which is

Track 2: now emilia perez in about five seconds but later

Track 2: in the movie emilia perez's wife and kids do not know do not who she ends up

Track 2: living with yeah like who like looking in her eyes have no idea who she is but

Track 2: zoe saldana yeah figured it out and also in about five seconds and also again

Track 2: with the representatives of mexico like mexico you know it is a place that like

Track 2: it's very dangerous to be a journalist,

Track 2: emilia perez makes herself into a prominent public figure and no one in mexico

Track 2: was like where'd she get that money from or like who is this person what's her

Track 2: background they say okay well zoe saldano figured it out but nobody else can yeah also like.

Track 1: How did zoe's not they didn't let her see what she looked like after the surgery

Track 1: was like she went off to get the surgery and then they just like.

Track 2: Parted ways they had yeah yeah she so we didn't

Track 2: see her like after the after she had that surgery but yeah

Track 2: so like so now it's always odana and emilia perez

Track 2: have hooked back up because the gang's back

Track 2: together yeah right like she's got her a team back but but

Track 2: as well like there's just there's small bits that we're obviously not mentioning

Track 2: but but like las manitas when it was las manitas was like terrorizing zoe saldana's

Track 2: character like violently yeah right and now he kidnaps her kidnaps her puts

Track 2: a bag over her head like like really violent this is scary guy this is the this

Track 2: is the leader this is a narco lord This is a Nautical Lord,

Track 2: right? Yeah, and now the gang's back together. Now they're mates.

Track 1: Yeah, like she needs more help, more help.

Track 2: Yeah. And so then she creates this ruse where, I can't remember if it's a cousin

Track 2: or aunt, she says that, as Emilia Perez, she was the aunt of her pre-transition self,

Track 2: and gets her ex-wife and her kids to come live with her in Mexico City.

Track 1: That she somehow never met before this too.

Track 2: Yeah, yeah.

Track 2: yeah i know it just doesn't make any fucking sense and so they move into.

Track 1: Like the what do they do they ever say this is the only time in the film where

Track 1: i felt like it kind of felt like mexico a little bit.

Track 2: Even though they probably.

Track 1: Didn't film it in mexico.

Track 2: Like the overhead shots the interior of

Track 2: the house does look like a mexico city house but the thing

Track 2: that i caught immediately when they have like the establishing shot

Track 2: of mexico city they make it look like it's fucking tropical and mexico city

Track 2: is a cold it's on the top of a fucking mountain it's cold it rains all the time

Track 2: and they're like tropical mexico they get some stock footage they did get some

Track 2: stock footage that they added in there because they've got their gondolas yeah and they have them in and.

Track 1: Some yellow filters too on there.

Track 2: Yeah the yellow filter came out the sepia came out yeah.

Track 1: So yeah so like this is like the part in the film where i'm like looking at

Track 1: my watch and it's only been like 30 minutes.

Track 2: I know holy shit christ yeah.

Track 1: And and like you said the children don't have any inkling who this is at all, like looking at him.

Track 2: Don't forget the one scene, which I think comes like half an hour later,

Track 2: where the son, he's like, you smell like my dad. And then what was the line

Track 2: he said, Chris? He's like, you smell like guacamoles.

Track 2: Yeah, he's like, you smell like mezcal and guacamoles.

Track 2: Like, which is just, I don't have to explain why that's not correct, right?

Track 2: Like, yeah, but it's really creepy because this kid does not know this person.

Track 2: And also this person who's actually the kid's father, but pretending to be the kid's aunt.

Track 2: yeah and then it's like comes and hugs him

Track 2: in the bed and then starts the kid starts smelling emilia perez it's like you

Track 2: smell like my dad yeah and also the other thing we need to bring up is like

Track 2: so selena gomez who apparently is incapable of realizing who emilia perez is like emilia perez,

Track 2: manipulates that position to like become her confidant and get like her innermost

Track 2: feelings and sort of like control her life.

Track 2: It's like a deeply abusive sort of way to like deal with the situation.

Track 1: Oh, it's so manipulative. Like it's really- Yeah.

Track 2: It's insane, right?

Track 1: It's twisted and like getting, like finding out about, because all that she

Track 1: really wanted to do, Amelia Perez was to find out like who this man that she's sleeping with is.

Track 1: Like it seemed like her entire motive was to find out who this person is.

Track 2: And then we're jumping into the story a bit, but so eventually Selena Gomez,

Track 2: who like thinks her husband is dead, has spent

Track 2: four years in switzerland that she hated is now like being manipulated by

Track 2: her husband in her new with the husband being

Track 2: emilia perez now and so at one point she's like

Track 2: you know what like i've got this boyfriend i'm gonna get married and emilia

Track 2: perez is like and what about your children well obviously my children will come

Track 2: and live with me and so emilia perez physically assaults her just like attacks

Track 2: her and then like cuts off all her bank accounts tries to make her homeless

Track 2: like tries to basically like...

Track 2: When we talk about like Emilia Perez like becoming a good person being her true

Track 2: self her true self is like a manipulative...

Track 2: It's a person who physically abuses their spouse. We have to assume that this

Track 2: physical abuse is not the first time.

Track 2: And then tries to destroy her spouse for wanting to be free and live her life.

Track 1: Yeah, it's really twisted. Is this simultaneously happening with her NGO or is this just after that?

Track 2: We jumped a bit ahead, so we skipped over the NGO. The NGO comes before that.

Track 1: I think that's something we need to talk a lot about, especially as it relates

Track 1: to this. Uh, so I, when we're doing some, like looking into the film and like

Track 1: talking about it, there's a book called looking beyond neoliberalism.

Track 1: And it's a talks specifically about the French films and the first chapter dives directly into Mr.

Track 1: Jacques Ajar. so it kind of talks about his previous films and how it kind of

Track 1: really is just it's meant to seem like either conservative or liberal leaning

Track 1: or progressive but hidden beyond all that is just neoliberal.

Track 2: Values and.

Track 1: Ways and so i think the ngo that emilia paris starts i think is like a perfect

Track 1: encapsulation of that type of politics.

Track 2: And again it's it's like all

Track 2: of the violence and destruction we sort of you know i laid it out a

Track 2: little bit earlier like again 500 000 people dead the

Track 2: displacement of unknown people like an unknown

Track 2: amount of sexual violence but an enormous amount all of

Track 2: this is what like the mexican drug cartels have done to mexico and this person

Track 2: who is directly responsible for making that happen is allowed to be forgiven

Track 2: just by using the people they victimize as props like they're just props for

Track 2: her self-actualization you know this is this This is like,

Track 2: this is the point in the movie where, yeah, first of all, it starts ridiculous

Track 2: and it's obviously like disingenuous.

Track 2: And then it gets really campy in like Bangkok.

Track 2: And then you look at your watch and you're like, holy shit, this is boring.

Track 2: And then, but then it starts getting into this, right?

Track 2: So now they're back in Mexico City. You've got Emilia Perez and Zoe Saldana, who are besties.

Track 2: And they're eating tacos because that's all the people in Mexico eat. and

Track 2: then this woman comes along this this this this woman

Track 2: comes and she puts a piece of paper on the table where they're eating and

Track 2: it's about a disappeared that's what they call it here the disappeared well

Track 2: that's part of see those yeah the missing people and i think again for context

Track 2: like this is a thing that is very much at the forefront of life in mexico i

Track 2: you know i i i work at a school but i also teach private classes i walk a lot around the streets and

Track 2: When you walk along across the streets of Mexico, every single time I walk somewhere,

Track 2: there are posters like, this person has disappeared.

Track 2: Where is this person? Like, family members putting posters up.

Track 2: Like, my son is gone. My family is gone.

Track 2: This is something you see every single day in Mexico. I live right beside this,

Track 2: like, really big avenue here in the city.

Track 2: And every Sunday, they close the streets so people can cycle,

Track 2: which is really, really nice.

Track 2: But every Sunday, you see people getting up early. there's this whole group

Track 2: of like family members and they plaster these,

Track 2: posters which are in the movie I don't

Track 2: know how we got that right and they poster it everywhere

Track 2: everywhere on every single surface it's just like missing missing

Track 2: missing missing you can't look away from it and then the government here

Track 2: like doesn't do anything about it and just spray paints over

Track 2: like they put it on like a metal pole and then the government

Track 2: would just come and spray paint it silver so it's gone and then the next Sunday

Track 2: they come out and they do it again it's this horrible horrible cycle

Track 2: and it is something that like again it's you every single

Track 2: street if you walk in if you walk like we live in guadalajara

Track 2: it's like the second big city if you walk for 10 minutes you

Track 2: will see a missing person poster she's less than that griff yeah

Track 2: fucking less than that every freaking two minutes yeah you can see it so so

Track 2: but they they do this so in this scene they they this woman comes and she lays

Track 2: down a picture of her missing son on the on the on the table while they're like

Track 2: rudely interrupting their little taco date yeah and and then they're like what

Track 2: is that as if they don't fucking know what,

Track 2: As if Emilia Perez is not directly fucking responsible for this.

Track 2: It's just like, oh yeah, like my son went missing like in 2014.

Track 2: I miss him on do you know if like we're looking for him.

Track 2: And then Zoe looks at Emilia Perez and it's just like that knowing look. Yeah.

Track 2: And she gives her the statistics. She's like 100,000 Mexicans are missing.

Track 2: It's like, this is a narco law. They fucking did probably half of them.

Track 2: So as I was saying, this is the moment where we've gone from like bewilderment to

Track 2: surprise to boredom and now we're getting into deep deep

Track 2: offense anger yeah this made me so angry

Track 2: like and of course i'm watching it with my mexican girlfriend she's like

Track 2: fuming at this like where it's like this is so like inappropriate

Track 2: but like okay what are they going to do with this now what are they going to

Track 2: do we've obviously got this conflict now here's our central conflict this must

Track 2: be the conflict of the movie right it's just like we've got this we've got emilia

Track 2: perez who used to be las manitas las manitas was the head of all these cartels

Track 2: or a big cartel that was responsible for killing people and making them disappear.

Track 2: What are we going to do now, Griff? We're going to set up a vainglorious charity

Track 2: that is all about how good a person Amelia Perez is.

Track 2: Exactly, we are. Like, not feeling bad at all. Yeah.

Track 2: And Zoe Saldana is just, what has happened to her? She was a lawyer.

Track 2: Yeah. She was a rich socialite. And she was angry about the fact she had to

Track 2: cover up a murder. Yeah. And now she's just like, yeah, whatever. Now I'm just your buddy.

Track 2: And I think it's cutting ahead a little bit. but basically emilia

Track 2: pedas figures out how to solve mexico's ills except

Track 2: she doesn't because we know but she knows she does we never see

Track 2: it we never see her like i mean she finds like body we'll talk about the scene

Track 2: where she she talks to like the spouse of someone who's disappeared insane but

Track 2: like she all she does is use these people as props as like i'm a good person

Track 2: i'm a good person now it doesn't matter they made these people disappear now i'm trying to find Yeah,

Track 2: but how the movie does this is through the medium of, of course, song.

Track 2: Good song? No, it doesn't even matter. It could be the world's best song.

Track 2: It's just, it's terrible.

Track 2: They're like, we're going to sing it better. We're going to sing and make Mexico whole again.

Track 2: We're not going to be afraid anymore. We're going to face our fears.

Track 2: You have the whole community, everybody singing.

Track 2: Mothers, daughters, fathers, sons, they're singing. And what are they singing?

Track 2: They're singing, estamos aquí.

Track 2: We are here. yeah i don't know how that relates to anything but they keep on singing that the.

Track 1: Song that was nominated for one of the the two songs was el mal was that the song you're talking.

Track 2: About the evil i don't know what they're called yeah i don't know what this song is that.

Track 1: Was when that song is when i think all of the um the the like when they're at

Track 1: the awards uh non-profit.

Track 2: Thing which is also like ridiculous and also like again because that one like

Track 2: that that's like one of the other ones was like, okay, this is actually like a musical set piece.

Track 2: And it's a little bit reggaeton as well for no reason. But that one,

Track 2: Zoe Seltaniket's like super sexual.

Track 2: She's like writhing on the table. She's like serpentine and aggressive.

Track 2: She's like rubbing hair between her legs. Yeah, she grabs like a blonde woman's

Track 2: hair and starts writhing it between her legs.

Track 2: It's like, what are you doing? And also like your character has not displayed

Track 2: any, your character has been asexual for the whole movie. There's been no sexuality displayed.

Track 2: Now suddenly you're just sexualizing yourself in this supposed appeal to like stop the murder.

Track 2: yeah yeah but that's but that's that's us going ahead a little

Track 2: bit i just i just want us i want us just to circle for a

Track 2: little bit around this because this is the central like like horror

Track 2: of this fucking movie is the disappeared people yeah

Track 2: so they have this song and i think they decide i

Track 2: think emilia perez is like i still have connections so um

Track 2: basically i'm gonna tell all the narcos to start

Track 2: looking we narco juniors the little kid the little the saccadios the

Track 2: fucking assassins in the prison to like basically tell everybody

Track 2: where all their missing missing family members are yeah and

Track 2: then we have a fucking montage of them

Track 2: digging up bodies yeah to like this like semi-somber

Track 2: whispered song but again also that montage is so

Track 2: offensive because like you see a scene it's like it's literally like an

Track 2: industrial digging machine like fucking pulling bones

Track 2: out of the ground and then it cuts to me and then it cuts immediately to

Track 2: emilia perez as always held down to me like we're just here we're just

Track 2: happy we can help and it's like again emilia perez you're

Track 2: a knock-o-lord you're you did this yeah thank you

Track 2: yeah it's it's this this is just this is not this is not fuel for your shit

Track 2: musical this is not like this is not i was gonna say it's like what's his next

Track 2: movie gonna be gaza yeah right or the bell of belfast yeah what the fuck are

Track 2: you gonna do next you horror show that was so gross do you think anyone's.

Track 1: Gonna give him money to make another fucking film.

Track 2: I mean come on like it's it's a it's a

Track 2: pretentious neo-liberal french director he's his career is fine he's

Track 2: in demand right now but anyway anyway yeah like

Track 2: yeah but i think if you want to see any more i think that i think that

Track 2: was a pertinent point that you because you mentioned this to me before we

Track 2: started recording as well is like i think there

Track 2: is a view like there is a like supported by

Track 2: the western media is like the all this chaos in mexico so well that's just that's

Track 2: just mexico it's what mexicans do they kill each other and it's like no like

Track 2: what has been happening in Mexico is the equivalent like maybe I don't want

Track 2: to mix up my words here but like to make a musical about all of this chaos and

Track 2: this violence that's been happening in Mexico,

Track 2: is the equivalent of being like yeah Gaza the musical like it is do you know what I mean it's like,

Track 2: it's it's deeply insensitive and

Track 2: as i was sort of saying it's like yeah don't watch this movie to find out how

Track 2: how offensive it is but just it does get worse we're not going to go into every

Track 2: single like every single part that makes it offensive but anyway they do do

Track 2: that they pull that yeah they have like some guy being like i'm going to wash

Track 2: my tat singing i'm going to wash my tattoos off i'm going to be a good person like it's insane.

Track 1: And just just like in another aspect of

Track 1: not necessarily the offensiveness but this is

Track 1: something that just one of the things i always say about

Track 1: like billionaires and millionaires who start foundations like

Track 1: the bill the mill and bill and melinda gates foundation like

Track 1: all this this is those these foundations are simply for two things

Track 1: to launder your money launder money tax write-offs and

Track 1: just to make themselves like launder the reputation make them

Track 1: seem like good people this film and this ngo that

Track 1: this former like killer of countless

Track 1: people is starting an ngo

Track 1: funded by other people who fund the

Track 1: drug who were part of the drug war to make herself feel better about the horrible

Track 1: things she did and that's exactly what actually what if if they had made and

Track 1: maybe we talked about this was if they had used this theme of them doing this

Track 1: but like not in a this is actually good way like this is actually a really evil

Track 1: way yeah that's something yeah.

Track 2: I think like and even there's there's a scope here in

Track 2: like in this story structure there is a genuine like you could go with an interesting

Track 2: angle as i well is is there any way that like mexican society could forgive

Track 2: a person who's done this right that would be an interesting way of examining

Track 2: this but there is no examination she set up an ngo so she's a good person that's

Track 2: it like you know what i mean it's.

Track 1: It's it's uh it's wild.

Track 2: Like it's fucking wild it is like when like when people are offended by this

Track 2: movie like it is deeply offensive it's insanely offensive to do this yeah.

Track 1: We'll talk about the maybe like the last i think

Track 1: we're kind of at the last third or so which we can kind of maybe go through

Track 1: but if you're if you're i i don't even really know this is like this is a movies

Track 1: are subjective right like i could say i hate you know dennis villanoebu films

Track 1: and chris you could say you love them that's fine like i can understand i never

Track 1: said i love them all right Just chill.

Track 2: Everybody. I don't have a hatred for it.

Track 1: We can have different opinions on film or whatever.

Track 1: But someone who watches this and finds it enjoyable or thinks it's award-worthy,

Track 1: I can't really understand that perspective.

Track 2: And I think it comes from both angles as well. Because, again,

Track 2: like we said, the whole, like, it's a movie about a trans woman,

Track 2: it's a trans actor, is like the progressive credentials.

Track 2: But like the portrayal of the trans woman in this movie is in itself like a

Track 2: really dangerous portrayal of a trans woman.

Track 2: Like we said, she manipulates her family. She physically assaults her ex.

Track 2: She is violent, chaotic, and she uses her trans identity to- As a disguise.

Track 2: As a disguise, as a way of being able to inflict violence on her ex. Yeah, as a weapon.

Track 2: And like, that is the exact same fucking message as a transphobe saying that

Track 2: like it's dangerous to let a trans woman in a public bathroom.

Track 2: it's just made from the other side and pretending it's progressive but the reality

Track 2: is that like yeah trans women are dangerous that's what this movie is telling

Track 2: us right that's what it's telling us.

Track 1: And not to mention from from aside from this is from someone i think who was

Track 1: this wasn't my perspective but simply only looking at the identity of a trans

Track 1: person simply by like the surgical aspect of it not really considering like

Track 1: i guess there is that one scene where she

Track 1: has it convinced the israeli doctor like uh

Track 1: telling him about his past and uh like as a child or something they try and

Track 1: dig into something but it feels like very one-dimensional of like this is the

Track 1: only thing you know that's hindering me from being you know a person is like

Track 1: all these surgeries because not everyone can afford all of these surgeries you're a very rich person.

Track 2: And yeah i mean i think to me like the thing that the

Track 2: overriding message of this again is pretending it's progressive it's

Track 2: pretending like oh yeah it's a self it's a trans woman like actualizing herself

Track 2: self-authorizing but it's like no it's what it's telling you is that like a

Track 2: sex change operation is a way to hide how dangerous you are that's what it's

Track 2: telling you like that's literally what it's telling you you know i mean and

Track 2: that is a deeply dangerous message like it's like you're right.

Track 1: Yeah and so the the final kind of bit of

Track 1: this is i think you already alluded to before is

Track 1: that the that uh selena gomez decides to marry this other man she's going to

Track 1: run off with her her kids in fact she does they run away and she wants to get

Track 1: married and the you know the the new husband i don't today is he just like another like a smaller he is.

Track 2: Completely inconsequential and like we're talking about it's like they don't

Track 2: establish him as any anything dangerous i mean we're,

Track 2: i guess we have to guess he's a narco because when selena gomez kidnaps emilia

Track 2: perez he's totally down so i guess we have to guess that but it's yeah he's

Track 2: completely inconsequential he has like two lines of dialogue yeah he just she basically.

Track 1: Emilia perez takes away all of selena gomez's money so she has no.

Track 2: Because she wants to move on she wants to move on which let's face.

Track 1: It that's she thinks her husband's fucking dead.

Track 2: You know and.

Track 1: And so they kidnap her cut off three of his fingers is that like is that like a trademark that seemed.

Track 2: Like i get it yeah so they they cut off emilia perez's

Track 2: fingers is like we have her like you know we have her we're gonna kill her

Track 2: but again this scene is so fucking stupid like so

Track 2: we've established emilia perez is a fucking

Track 2: dangerous person she is a narco lord she is like

Track 2: mass murder mass rape torture she's fine with all those

Track 2: things and then selena gomez and her

Track 2: boyfriend who just like is a hot guy with a cowboy hat

Track 2: kidnap her and she's like please don't

Track 2: hurt me please leave me alone i'm sorry yeah yeah

Track 2: no no to go to go back to go back a little

Track 2: bit earlier like like we we see her when she

Track 2: arrives to london like she's a force she's a scary force yeah you know she can

Track 2: threaten people when she's in mexico she always has got a driver and she's got

Track 2: like bodyguards around her like she like she's like she's so well connected

Track 2: that when emilia perez gets kidnapped zoe zaldana like makes one phone call

Track 2: and 12 goons turn up with like assault rifles yeah you know i mean like This

Track 2: is how dangerous this person is.

Track 1: How did she get kidnapped?

Track 2: Yeah, yeah. They didn't bother to show us that. That would have been interesting.

Track 2: Yeah. But no, but like going back just a tiny bit, which does link to this,

Track 2: is this is the bit that when I was watching it, I just, I just,

Track 2: I mean, I don't know, checked out for the fifth time.

Track 2: There was a moment where Emilia Perez is in her NGO office.

Track 2: Oh, yeah. We need to talk about that. We need to talk about this,

Track 2: right? It's in her NGO office and then this woman, when it starts,

Track 2: we see this woman putting a knife in her handbag.

Track 2: We're like, oh, is something going to fucking happen in this movie?

Track 2: Yeah, it's like, finally. Finally, like a plot point.

Track 1: A stabber in the neck or something.

Track 2: So this woman walks up the stairs, goes into Emilia Perez's office.

Track 2: And again, I want to start with this. So this woman at this NGO,

Track 2: which is helping people locate their disappeared family members comes into

Track 2: Emilia Perez's office to find out about her disappeared family

Track 2: member and Emilia Perez does the classic she sits

Track 2: down and Emilia Perez just for like spends a minute and a

Track 2: half just typing on a computer without acknowledging this person has

Track 2: entered yeah she's acting like really shitty you know she's like but wait a

Track 2: second so the woman goes it's like oh I'm looking for my husband and then Emilia

Track 2: Perez is like ah yeah him he's in the morgue like really callous and the woman's

Track 2: like in shock and the woman's like are you sure and she's like yeah,

Track 2: he's dead he's dead fuck you really aggressive and then Emilio Perez was like

Track 2: oh here look I'm sorry that was a bit I was a bit like short with you there

Track 2: and then it turns out that the woman is not actually in not actually upset she's

Track 2: actually relieved because but wait a second she was actually relieved,

Track 2: because her husband was a bastard her husband like beat her and abused her and

Track 2: was a criminal and again And I mentioned this at the start.

Track 2: That is the only of all of the disappeared mexicans that

Track 2: is the only mexican the dis only disappeared mexican where it's

Track 2: like oh that's who that person was that's that's like

Track 2: this is the person who disappeared this is who they were and it's

Track 2: he's a fucking cunt who deserved to be killed anyway and it

Track 2: and again the message you're getting from that is like oh well

Track 2: you know like mexicans just kind of kill each other and it's fine that's just what they're

Track 2: like you know they're all like this they all kind of deserved it anyway so

Track 2: it doesn't matter that emilio perez was responsible for making disappear

Track 2: it doesn't matter that like this war is ongoing it doesn't

Track 2: matter that Emilia Perez is fucking evil because you

Track 2: know like all these guys kind of just deserved it anyway yeah but I

Track 2: think that seems like written really sloppily but then there's like

Track 2: a post scene part where the woman leaves and she walks down

Track 2: the stairs and then Emilia Perez sticks her head out the window into like she

Track 2: sticks her head out the window but into this open space full of these like family

Track 2: members milling around waiting for that for news of their of their missing family

Track 2: members and Emilia Perez shouts over all them hey what do you want me to do

Track 2: with your husband's remains she's like yeah she's like throw it in the fucking trash.

Track 2: Yeah it's like they don't fucking laugh and there's like just

Track 2: all around them there's like 50 people there's like 50 people

Track 2: in the lobby like you know waiting to find out what happens to their daughter

Track 2: what happened to their son what happened to their fucking like you know

Track 2: grandfather or whatever and then yeah i mean

Track 2: if it's like oh this guy like what you always do they're like throw him

Track 2: in the fucking trash yeah haha but then

Track 2: but the reason i link this is because at that point the woman

Track 2: goes I actually brought a knife to this meeting and Emilia Pelez

Track 2: pulls out this like this ivory pistol yeah a narco gun like a narco gun and

Track 2: I was just like me too so it's just like so wait you are scary you are dangerous

Track 2: you are like your armed you're packing you're locked and loaded and yet she

Track 2: was kidnapped by Selena Gomez and like her.

Track 1: Like douchey fucking.

Track 2: Husband her douchey boyfriend and like the only introduction to Selena there

Track 2: is an introduction scene to Selena Gomez this character which is them singing karaoke,

Track 2: and he's wearing he's wearing like a tank top and a cowboy hat and they do a karaoke scene together

Track 2: and it's like yeah this is just like a hot guy in a cowboy hat like what the fuck

Track 2: it's weird as well because that like scene is quite visually interesting but

Track 2: it's just it's it's completely like sidetracked by the fact that emilia like

Track 2: not emilia then i can never remember her name no what's her

Track 2: name the famous selena gomez is just a

Track 2: terrible singer yeah who knew but also the other thing

Track 2: like because that scene it's deeply offensive before the way

Track 2: it characterizes the people who've actually disappeared but again

Track 2: on the on the other aspect that the representation of

Track 2: trans people the way that scene plays out is

Track 2: this woman she sort of bears her

Track 2: heart to emilia perez she's like this guy fucking beat

Track 2: me you know if if he was alive i would have fucking killed

Track 2: him right now because he's such a fucking bastard who traumatized me and did

Track 2: all this shit to me and then emilia perez's response is like as the powerful

Track 2: ngo head is like how about we meet up for some sex later how about how about

Track 2: me and you fuck and it's like and it's like she's just a fucking predator she's

Track 2: like you know what i mean it's like totally.

Track 2: There are small things I know you're trying to get to the last third but there's

Track 2: one small thing I'll say right just on the details right,

Track 2: we was watching it and there was a Selena Gomez and Emilia Perez are like having

Track 2: a heart to heart talking about this guy that she's now in love with and it's

Track 2: like hey would you like a whiskey,

Track 2: and he's like yeah why not and they pour each other she pours them whiskeys

Track 2: yeah no squirt no ice no to be fair no I will accept that because in

Track 2: the north of Mexico they love drinking whiskey whiskey straight Yeah,

Track 2: no, they love Buchanan's in the North of Mexico. Yeah, but they wouldn't drink it straight.

Track 2: They would not drink it straight. There's other things. My girlfriend was picking

Track 2: up, like they're leaving voice messages for each other all the time. Yeah.

Track 2: My girlfriend was like, bitch, we never leave voice messages.

Track 2: Like just these small, like small little like details. I don't know.

Track 2: WhatsApp voice messages are the only way that they communicate. That's a problem.

Track 1: Well, I mean, like you're, you're like joking about like getting to the last

Track 1: third, but I mean, that really is, that's kind of like the end,

Track 1: like the shootout that they have to rescue emilia perez is awful.

Track 2: And and then and then dies and then and then like emilia perez

Track 2: gets put in the boot of the car and they're driving away and they

Track 2: have like a literally like a simpsons car crash where like the car crashes the

Track 2: car crashes and then like there's like two minutes and then it just it's obviously

Track 2: it's done post as well but you're right there is about like three seconds where

Track 2: the car is just sitting there yes have you seen have.

Track 1: You either have you seen groundhog day.

Track 2: Yeah yeah there's.

Track 1: A scene where like i think where he steals the car on the groundhog and it goes

Track 1: into the quarry and it falls off and the cameraman's like i think he'd be okay

Track 1: and then like two seconds later it blows up it's like maybe not.

Track 2: Yeah that is literally what happens they crash the car and and again like they're,

Track 2: so like the tension in the movie or like what's supposed

Track 2: to be the tension is that emilia perez has this

Track 2: former identity and that's like supposed to create tension right

Track 2: with her ex-wife but also in general that

Track 2: like she was this drug lord that should be tense right yeah

Track 2: but then the way that like selena gomez finds

Track 2: out that emilia perez is her ex-husband is that

Track 2: emilia perez literally just says i'm your husband and

Track 2: she's like what he's like i'm your husband and then she puts him in the boot

Track 2: of the car and it takes like 10 minutes to process what was said and then she's

Track 2: like oh my god my husband it's like yeah he told you like i'm sorry he she told

Track 2: you that 10 minutes ago let.

Track 1: Me ask you this should she be.

Track 2: Arrested yes well well.

Track 1: Like is she at fault for like everything think like if she just told him no

Track 1: i mean i think they would found someone else.

Track 2: I mean again because again like the film is so badly

Track 2: structured and so badly written i mean we're supposed

Track 2: to i guess we're supposed to understand that zoe saldana is

Track 2: terrified of emilia perez but true they wrote they

Track 2: wrote it as the fact that they're mates so you don't get that

Track 2: right like there's no there's no emoting of

Track 2: like so there's no scene of zoe saldana being like fuck like

Track 2: i'm actually scared of what's gonna happen they're just friends and so

Track 2: it's like but why are they friends yeah it's

Track 2: like well what's the tension here like why is this situation you

Track 2: know what i mean like it's always so that is just fine with this i guess it's like

Track 2: she loses all agency yeah completely like

Track 2: she just now is just following emilia perez around indefinitely yeah like she

Track 2: was a lawyer yeah and when she met emilia perez as emilia perez she was like

Track 2: doing a master's or a doctorate or something and she just like fuck that off i guess she's.

Track 1: I mean i mean i think that's the point i think that once even even when she

Track 1: goes there the first time to be offered this position i think she's too afraid to say.

Track 2: Yeah no.

Track 1: And so everything that she does afterwards is out of fear however she could

Track 1: have not gone back with her to mexico after they meet.

Track 2: In london and also and also there's no displaying of

Track 2: that fear you know what i mean again there's no scene where it's like okay

Track 2: yeah i understand there's that bit like when

Track 2: she's going to bed in bangkok and tel aviv where like some goons

Track 2: turn up and put a bag over her head and put the phone but

Track 2: then after that they're just like friends because again the message of this

Track 2: movie is that like because this fucking like genesee there got a sex change

Track 2: he's a good person now or she sorry because she got this exchange she is a good

Track 2: person now and so we don't get to see her being threatening or angry or,

Track 2: using her knuckle guys so it's like then there's no tension it just doesn't

Track 2: make sense you know it's like.

Track 1: Okay so but another scene that

Track 1: irked me greatly so after Amelia Paris is

Track 1: dead Rita uh she tells the kids like what happened then they have the final

Track 1: scene of the entire film is the eulogy saying how great Amelia Paris is and

Track 1: like I think that it's like fight for truth and freedom some other nonsense

Track 1: like that is just to me like spitting in the face of everything.

Track 2: Of every yeah all of it it's again like the

Track 2: whole point i think i sent a message to you evan where it's like

Track 2: this film could have been a really

Track 2: interesting reflection on like well what

Track 2: like what what does mexico do with these people right the drug war has to end

Track 2: and how does mexico deal with these people when it ends it could have been an

Track 2: interesting reflection on that but these people have so little respect for mexico

Track 2: and mexicans that they're like oh no it's fine like if if they like pretend

Track 2: to help that that's fine you know it's like.

Track 1: It's yeah it's it's as we said like it perfectly encapsulates like the neoliberal

Track 1: uh way of solving any kind of problem or like pretending to solve a problem i guess.

Track 2: Yeah yeah no yeah that

Track 2: final scene where they're like all the like again are they still in mexico city

Track 2: because now they're in a pueblo they're in like a little village they're like

Track 2: they're in like a fucking trailer which again mexicans don't have like there's

Track 2: no trailer parks in mexico but they're in a trailer yeah and they're the whole

Track 2: town is like singing now oh fuck

Track 2: okay yeah that one yeah no that that one pissed me off as well because,

Track 2: so like emilia perez's funeral you get like the whole the

Track 2: whole pueblo the whole community that comes out for a funeral

Track 2: and the thing that they put in

Track 2: there is they have a statue of emilia perez as like

Track 2: a vergencita and like vergencitas are

Track 2: a massive part of mexican catholicism it's like

Track 2: a very kind of mexican unique tradition this

Track 2: idea of like sacred virgins it's a

Track 2: deep religious kind of thing but it's also very connected to mexican nationalism

Track 2: like the vergen de guadalupe is a symbol of like the mexican nation and so this

Track 2: again this idea i'm sure like they just like looked up oh mexicans have mexico

Track 2: has lots of virgins right there's a vergen de zapopan which is from where we live,

Track 2: Vergen de Guadalupe is close to Mexico City, but this idea that they're like,

Track 2: oh yeah, we're just going to make her a vergencita, why not?

Track 2: And it's like, no, that's like a religious national image of Mexico,

Track 2: and you're like, this fucking asshole drug lord gets to be made a part of Mexican Catholicism, why?

Track 2: Because they set up a charity? Like, go fuck yourself. Yeah.

Track 2: emilia perez the movie yeah.

Track 1: I was i was just looking i had i still had letterboxd open from before and i

Track 1: was just clicking and i was like i'm not going to read all like most of these

Track 1: views are bad it has the the overall rating for the film out of five is 2.2

Track 1: which would be the if it were to win let's say best picture which it's not going

Track 1: to win but let's say it did it would be.

Track 2: How did it get 50 though like how did it get that like that's 50 i.

Track 1: Some people were saying is like that people who were spanish speakers had to put on subtitles to.

Track 2: Understand it i had to put on subtitles yeah specifically for

Track 2: selena gomez so like zoe saldana again she

Track 2: she just sounds dominican right she's she's dominican she

Track 2: sounds dominican she can speak spanish yeah but she can speak spanish selena gomez

Track 2: i i had to turn on the subtitles for selena gomez and i speak spanish like i

Track 2: mean you know me and my girlfriend we speak english and spanish every day like

Track 2: we have like sort of bilingual conversation every day i speak spanish every

Track 2: day at work like live in mexico you know like and i had to put on subtitles for cilina gomez i.

Track 1: Was just looking at an article that said originally this film

Track 1: was supposed to be shot in mexico like a year or six months before it was supposed

Track 1: to it was six months before it actually was shot and then the director said

Track 1: no let's film it in paris it was purely his decision to say fuck off mexico

Track 1: i'm gonna film the movie about mexico not mexico.

Track 2: I did i did see a thing as well that the casting director was

Track 2: like um wanted to have mexicans in it but by her own like she said she's like

Track 2: no i'm sorry we couldn't find any good mexican actresses like what yeah and

Track 2: a country of 122 million people of a single good actress you know what I mean,

Track 2: that's just so insulting everything is so insulting you know it's like I don't

Track 2: need to go to Mexico to know Mexico I don't need to speak Spanish I don't need

Track 2: to speak Spanish I don't need to hire hire any Mexicans I don't even and again like

Track 2: aesthetically it's like I don't even need to look at a photo of Mexico you know

Track 2: what I mean like if you saw a photo of Mexico City you'd be like oh yeah it

Track 2: doesn't look like Paris but no no it's fine looks like Paris yeah.

Track 1: And this is something also this is completely this is just like a a thing that

Track 1: bothered me I saw actually a review who's like that was their whole review the

Track 1: beginning of the movie there is no less than like 15 title cards before it says

Track 1: like presented by netflix and then the movie starts.

Track 2: I forgot that part but i'm like.

Track 1: Oh my god is this what i'm in for.

Track 2: Yeah like and again i think this thing i was like it's so long it's such a long

Track 2: yeah it is two hours and 15 feels longer oh yeah it feels like four.

Track 2: But that's the amazing thing. It's just like you go through so many emotions.

Track 2: You're just like, what is this? This is terrible.

Track 2: This is offensive. But your final emotion is boredom.

Track 2: like i i said to chris like the final song with like you know the her funeral

Track 2: and it's like it's supposed to be like the dramatic send-off i was literally

Track 2: just like like looking at my fucking watch like how many fucking more minutes

Track 2: is this gonna go i started washing the dishes i had to i actually.

Track 1: Had to take a pause like an hour and 20 minutes and i'm like i need a break from this.

Track 2: Film right.

Track 1: Now and so another thing that we didn't really talk about but we did a little

Track 1: bit is a lot of the uh like the lgbtq community and other.

Track 2: Folks well they hated.

Track 1: It they they recalled it like transgressive you know retrograde of trans women

Track 1: portrayal like it almost makes them seem and i think you said this before it

Track 1: refers to them as um what was the thing as uh uh fuck where did it go painting

Track 1: them as liars like because they have.

Track 2: To lie.

Track 1: To people to be able to like get into like it is it is at all accounts like a conservative.

Track 2: Yeah yeah like i said i think like that whole thing of like that whole classic

Track 2: transphobic argument of like trans women should not be allowed to use a public

Track 2: bathroom because it'll be like it's dangerous quote unquote this

Track 2: movie makes that exact same point but

Track 2: just pretending it's liberal right it's like because like

Track 2: emilia perez is trans she is able to manipulate her

Track 2: family to control them to assault them to like you know basically try and destroy

Track 2: their lives and what it's telling you is that like yeah because she because

Track 2: her change in identity was hidden because she's got a new identity she's able

Track 2: to be more dangerous let me ask you a question griff,

Track 2: What are the name of the kids? No fucking idea. They never say the name of the

Track 2: kids. I don't think they ever say it. It's a big thing in the movie though,

Track 2: isn't it? Yeah. I want to go back to spend time with my kids.

Track 2: They don't even bother to even establish their names. Their names.

Track 2: Yep. Don't give them any names.

Track 2: Everything is just a vehicle for Emilia Perez to look good.

Track 2: Yeah. Or in her own eyes. To be the hero. To be the heroine.

Track 1: I think I know now what led me down the path of bringing up Denis Villeneuve.

Track 1: He stated that this was one of his- He says he loves it.

Track 2: He loves this movie like.

Track 1: I'm sorry i can't trust you fuck off.

Track 2: And again i don't get like i get like i can't understand like

Track 2: even if you're kind of like a conservative viewer and

Track 2: you're watching this movie and you i know you're supportive of the

Track 2: like you know yeah it doesn't matter the mexicans get killed yeah trans women

Track 2: are dangerous how can you watch this and be like it's good in any way just as

Track 2: a piece of cinema it's fucking terrible just a terrible work of art as a comedy

Track 2: bad as a musical bad yeah as i don't know i don't know it's just bad in every

Track 2: single thing it tries to do yeah are.

Track 1: You ready to hear some of the other like decent movie stars who like this film.

Track 2: Okay let's go emily.

Track 1: Blunt called it a singular experience.

Track 2: Emily blunt's not that good she is a single she is a singular experience meryl.

Track 1: Streep referred to selena gomez performance it's as beautiful, sensual, incredible.

Track 2: Oh my God. I mean, again, I think I saw a Mexican actor doing an interview on

Track 2: this, where I think he brought up a really good point.

Track 2: He was like, you know, if we as Mexicans were watching a film in French,

Track 2: we would not pick up on the fact that the French is bad, right?

Track 2: We just wouldn't be able to see that.

Track 2: because we don't speak French. And so I think, you know, if you don't speak

Track 2: Spanish, yeah, I can forgive you saying like, oh yeah, that's actually like

Track 2: a good Spanish performance.

Track 2: But if you do speak Spanish, you're like, this is fucking dog shit.

Track 1: All right, get ready for that.

Track 2: You don't even need to.

Track 1: Get ready for this one.

Track 2: Go on.

Track 1: Guillermo del Toro.

Track 2: I've seen this one. I've seen this. I've seen it. He likes it? He likes it.

Track 1: He likes it. It's so beautiful to see a movie that is cinema.

Track 2: Oh.

Track 1: And I love his fucking films.

Track 2: But that is just- I love- And he's from Guadalajara. He's from Guadalajara.

Track 2: He's the son of Guadalajara. He's from Guadalajara.

Track 2: He, like, Pan's Labyrinth is a good movie. I mean, he's got lots of good movies.

Track 2: I know. I mean, The Shape of Water is not great.

Track 1: No, that's a dud.

Track 2: That's the one best picture. Yeah.

Track 1: Oh, and also another one, Michael Mann, another one of my favorite directors,

Track 1: Contemporary Masterpiece.

Track 2: Yeah, but here, look, did you see Dune 2?

Track 1: I didn't like it, but yes.

Track 2: Right? All right. I liked it. It's just a Marvel movie. But we're not going to go there.

Track 2: that's that's that's that's too far right but

Track 2: anyway shut up shut up you're wrong but anyway anyway anyway the

Track 2: point is not like talking to if dune is too is like the best movie ever is really

Track 2: good whatever but it did not get cinematography you can admit that like yeah

Track 2: it's it's a well-made yes well-made yeah absolutely like the costumes yeah it's

Track 2: a well-made movie like yeah like and what are you giving the costume for emilia perez,

Track 2: for like zoe sardana's pantsuits yeah which again is just not mexican at all

Track 2: you know i've never seen i have as long as i've lived here i have not seen a pantsuit,

Track 2: yeah but yeah i mean i i mean genuine question like these these people who like

Track 2: you know like they have they do have artistic credentials you know they're respected

Track 2: actors respected directors,

Track 2: like why do you like because i watched this film and again it's like every single

Track 2: sort of what's the word every single way you could judge it every single way

Track 2: you could view it it's bad right not just like the social stuff just as a technical

Track 2: piece of cinema it's a bad piece of cinema,

Track 2: it's like like why do you think they're saying it's good like what what do you think got them.

Track 1: I'm gonna say for some of them not the not the mexican one like you know like

Track 1: you said like you could be an american and watch this and not understand it

Track 1: and think the performance is there i have two two theories theory number one

Track 1: is they're asked about the movie and they don't want to shit on it.

Track 2: Okay so.

Track 1: They're lying or like they're making it they're just kind.

Track 2: Of they just haven't watched it yeah yeah.

Track 1: Or haven't watched it just like yeah it's a masterpiece or whatever And then

Track 1: the other thing is, maybe they just have shitty taste.

Track 2: Yeah. Maybe it's like, they're like, oh, I don't want to actually touch on,

Track 2: or I don't want to give my opinion or talk about anything to do with the trans

Track 2: community or the Mexican community or about the drug war going on.

Track 2: And to them, I would say, don't worry, the director doesn't give a shit either. Yeah.

Track 2: You've got so much in common with the director, so that's maybe why you liked it.

Track 1: Paul Schrader said he loved this movie. like it's just it's it's it's just uh

Track 1: did they see it i don't know.

Track 2: Do you think it's gonna win all right all right read read

Track 2: out again all right now all right let's put on our bullshit uh oscar hats okay

Track 2: i'm gonna do i'm gonna do my i'm an oscar judge all right emilia paris was necessary

Track 2: essential viewing confrontational in the best way it.

Track 1: Received more nominations than.

Track 2: Schindler's List. It just makes no fucking sense.

Track 1: And I'm not saying that Schindler's List is the best movie ever made.

Track 2: But it's a good movie.

Track 1: But it's a good movie. It's well made.

Track 2: It's a good movie, yeah. But do me a favor, do me a favor.

Track 2: Read them out and we're going to say, not if we think it deserves it because

Track 2: we think it deserves none, but what do we think it's going to get?

Track 2: All right? Okay, read out the first one.

Track 1: Best Picture.

Track 2: No. No, it's not going to get it. It's not going to get it.

Track 1: Best International Picture.

Track 2: Yes, yes, yes. Going to get it. Yes.

Track 1: Okay, Best Director.

Track 2: No. No, I think... I think it's going to get it.

Track 2: No, I think The Brutalist has got a lot of movement behind it.

Track 2: Who is it? Who's the guy who did The Brutalist?

Track 1: Do we want to see... Do we want to know the full award so we can... Well...

Track 1: best director the best director is uh man gold for complete unknown brutalist

Track 1: sean baker for anora and carla forgette for substance.

Track 2: I think i think the brutalist will get it i think the brutalist will

Track 2: get best director all right so best actress but which one who's over carla carla

Track 2: gustle no she's not gonna get it she's fucked it yeah no that's that's like

Track 2: a diversity kind of thing yeah but she fucked it because now she's like yeah

Track 2: well yeah yeah we didn't even talk about that she's a fucking enormous i know

Track 2: i know yeah she's not gonna get it.

Track 1: I think the me more is going to win that one but.

Track 2: Yeah probably all.

Track 1: Right so next one best supporting actress.

Track 2: And that's selena gomez no yes yes i think she's gonna get it do you think she

Track 2: got to go she got the golden globe all right all right i can say yes okay.

Track 1: Next one we got best adapted screenplay.

Track 2: I don't fucking know what's it adapted from from the somebody's from the stage

Track 2: show it says it's adapted.

Track 1: From a novel.

Track 2: No no there's an amelia perez novel it's called Ecoute. Ecoute? So it's a French novel.

Track 1: Yeah, I guess it's a French novel.

Track 2: Of course, why not?

Track 1: It's not Ecoute, then it'll be Ecoute. My accents are brutally bad.

Track 2: No, it's not going to get it. It's not going to get it.

Track 1: Okay, so next one, film editing. No fucking way.

Track 2: Yes, yes, for some reason, yes. Just for some reason. No one cares about that

Track 2: one. Yeah, no one cares about that one. Just annoy you. Just annoy you.

Track 1: Best sound.

Track 2: I mean, like this is the thing right like people

Track 2: have talked about this before like with all the kind of strikes in

Track 2: hollywood and the general like introduction of ai like those technical jobs

Track 2: have been increasingly lost that's why like every movie and tv series is so

Track 2: fucking dark because they've cut out cinematographers it's why like sounds now

Track 2: you can't hear what people are fucking saying because like sound editors is

Track 2: the first ones get cut out so yeah why not they'll get,

Track 2: for all the mumbling that happens in this movie.

Track 1: Best cinematography.

Track 2: I hope it gets it.

Track 2: Yeah, just for that spotlight. No, no, not for the Bangkok scene.

Track 1: I think The Brutalist has got that one, maybe.

Track 2: I haven't seen The Brutalist, so I don't know. Didn't they say The Brutalist

Track 2: used A, oh no, it was for his accent, right?

Track 1: He's up for the accents, yeah.

Track 2: Okay, not for this.

Track 1: I don't even know what The Brutalist is. That's a whole other conversation.

Track 1: All right, best makeup and hairstyling.

Track 2: I swear to God, ow. If it gets the best makeup and hairstyling,

Track 2: I will fucking like I will suicide bomb the Oscars like this like,

Track 2: no one looks good in this movie like no one looks good even Selena Gomez looks

Track 2: kind of ugly no you know what it's gonna get it it's gonna get it it's gonna

Track 2: get it no it's gotta go quicker or substance for that no no because because how they how they like,

Track 2: las manitas with their face tattoos and the grills but again but that's what

Track 2: that's what they're gonna go for nah nah i think wicked wicked's gonna take it wicked's got that.

Track 1: All right so next one we got more there's oh yeah best original score oh.

Track 2: My god if it gets best original score as long as vaginoplasty isn't there you

Track 2: know where it's just like mammoplasty yeah.

Track 1: Like that's that's like it has to.

Track 2: Be yeah yeah i mean again but like but is is wicked an original score because it's like salt and.

Track 1: High right yeah i think some of the songs are new some of them are not so i

Track 1: guess you could say you could argue maybe not like maybe the maybe i don't know

Track 1: if you either you saw conclade like the score on that was pretty pretty good.

Track 2: I haven't seen i haven't seen it.

Track 1: All right so last last one best original song which was two of them which was

Track 1: el mall and mi camino were the two songs.

Track 2: Oh which are those which ones are those.

Track 1: El mall was the one where they're all singing about how evil like how they want

Track 1: to get there find out about their families and how drug cartels are terrible.

Track 2: Okay, so the most offensive part of the movie.

Track 1: And then the second one is Mi Camino, which is...

Track 2: It's the fucking one with Selena Gomez in her room where she's got the telephone

Track 2: and she's like, can't speak Spanish.

Track 2: Yeah, she's acting like a 13-year-old. Yeah. She's going to win.

Track 2: Hands down.

Track 1: So based on your predictions, this movie will win no less than six Oscars.

Track 2: Yeah. Why not? Why the fuck not? But like, if that song was just like,

Track 2: that's not even viral on TikTok.

Track 2: like that's i've seen a few i've seen again like i live like because we live

Track 2: in mexico like all of the most like all of the stupidest parts of the movie

Track 2: have been like massive memes i've seen that scene on instagram and tiktok like a hundred times yeah.

Track 1: I mean the so one could say the oscars doesn't have a whole lot of weight anyway

Track 1: in the sense of like the things that win the things that are nominated and you

Track 1: know the whole whatever them as long as i think as long as they don't win like

Track 1: the the big awards they don't win best director they don't win best actor.

Track 2: Supporting actress i mean i won't be mad.

Track 1: But like that's just winning those awards to me just tells me like you are a joke.

Track 2: I do i do you just realize that your country is a joke oh

Track 2: no that was like jesus christ i do

Track 2: wonder though because like again like emilia perez it basically it got it got

Track 2: nominated for all this shit because it's like oh it's a trans woman blah blah

Track 2: blah blah but like do you think the controversy would sort of like actually

Track 2: affect if it wins or not because i mean like everyone fucking hates it well i mean i.

Track 1: Mean if you were to believe that everything has already been

Track 1: like envelopes are sealed everything is all said and done

Track 1: then i don't think that the controversy makes any difference i'd like to think

Track 1: that they've already voted and there wouldn't be any changing i think it almost

Track 1: seems like the campaign to like bring all the stuff out afterwards after they've

Track 1: already voted tells me like they're

Track 1: almost preparing you for the fact that it's gonna win something big.

Track 2: Yeah and.

Track 1: You're gonna be like extra mad.

Track 2: Because not only is.

Track 1: It shit that it's also like this evil.

Track 2: But again like i mean so evan i think i can't remember

Track 2: was it yesterday or the day before you sent me the news article that was

Track 2: saying that um gascon like amelia

Track 2: the actress amelia perez has been so racist

Track 2: and vile that like netflix has like says they won't pay for to go to the oscars

Track 2: like they're not gonna they've cut off her fucking money chain like i like we've

Track 2: seen this the controversy is having effects like you know what i mean it's i

Track 2: did you think it will like do you think it will affect the oscars or do you think it's just done i.

Track 1: I gosh i'm not like a like a ox like an expert on these sorts of things and this.

Track 2: Is more.

Track 1: Like from my own i i think so the thing that i don't i think i don't think she's gonna go to the oscars.

Track 2: I mean again like just does Does she really want to show her face?

Track 1: I don't know.

Track 2: But I think she... It's so weird how little... Just even self-preservation she

Track 2: has. You know what I mean?

Track 1: Yeah, it doesn't care.

Track 2: She's so racist that the best PR agents in the world could not stop her from being racist.

Track 2: Do you think that if she...

Track 2: she doesn't win then trump will get angry but if she does win trump will also

Track 2: get angry do you think this is going to like bleed into the bullshit news cycle

Track 2: oh yeah and i think yeah i think so but but i i think no matter what happens yeah not not.

Track 1: Winning would say like how like it's anti people are because the director.

Track 2: Is calling anyone who doesn't like.

Track 1: This is anti-trans like.

Track 2: Anti-trans yeah and but also well also gascon

Track 2: as well that was that was gascon's big thing is like mexico hates this

Track 2: movie because they're transphobic and then he event

Track 2: but he eventually the director apologized he did he did do

Track 2: a public apology to mexico but it was a total non-apology so his

Track 2: apology was i'm gonna paraphrase here but his apology was basically i don't

Track 2: understand why people are getting so offended by this it's just a piece of art

Track 2: i'm not pretentious i just want to make a movie no but i think it also had a

Track 2: paraphrase like line and it was just like i'm sorry if you didn't get it yeah

Track 2: basically yeah that's like sorry.

Track 1: I offended you but.

Track 2: Yeah i don't care and then gas gascon has done the whole thing of like if you

Track 2: don't like it is because you're transphobic um as well as like multiple rants

Track 2: about how like islam is going to kill europe she deleted her like like in 2025.

Track 1: To delete your twitter account over like worry of more things coming out like you have.

Track 2: To be really fucking bad in elon musk's twitter like.

Track 1: Sorry like this nazi is like too far from the.

Track 2: Other nazis that.

Track 1: Are on our on our platform.

Track 2: But i mean to be fair she's spanish like you know spanish people are like that

Track 2: spanish people ask me ask me ask me ask me ask me do i recommend the movie ask me.

Track 1: Do you do you recommend this movie chris.

Track 2: No

Track 2: like no man this is probably the first time.

Track 1: In history that i.

Track 2: Would say like.

Track 1: Do not see this movie unless you hate yourself.

Track 2: Yeah yeah yeah it's it's really just it's just not worth it in any way because

Track 2: it's also boring that's the thing you're not going to be like oh this might

Track 2: be like yeah it's not like oh it's going to be fun it's not like watching madam webb.

Track 1: Or whatever like.

Track 2: Oh this is stupid.

Track 1: And campy but.

Track 2: Yeah yeah this is the.

Track 1: Only person i would tell to recommend this movie to is if you are kind of like

Track 1: me like a completionist when it comes to watching all the best pictures nominees

Track 1: that's the only reason to watch this.

Track 2: But again i mean we all had the same experience where it's like by the time

Track 2: we get into the end of this film it's just like when can I turn this off like

Track 2: when the fuck can I stop watching this movie there's no like oh it's fun or

Track 2: like oh the ending's dramatic it's like just when can I turn this off,

Track 2: and everybody should feel bad about it,

Track 2: Zoe Zaldana Zoe Zaldana she has with the grace of a swan sort of escaped the

Track 2: controversy she has because she's easily the best actress in the whole thing,

Track 2: but Selena Gomez did that whole she did that whole online rant she's being bullied

Track 2: by Mexicans like Mexico's bullying her but yeah she's going to be fine Zoe Zaldana

Track 2: is going to be fine yeah I mean it's Zoe Zaldana she's going to be fine I don't.

Track 1: You can't blame her for like for the shittiness of the film like she probably

Track 1: did the best she could you could.

Track 2: You can blame you can blame her for being in it i think you can

Track 2: you can blame every single actor for being in it but

Track 2: like the the reality is it's like

Track 2: um is it gascon or gas gas on i can't

Track 2: remember her son and uh emilia perez gascon yeah carla carla something gascon

Track 2: and adi art like just utter fucking cunts like irredeemable like those two are

Track 2: irredeemable Salima Gomez whatever alright you fucked up Zoe Saldana you were

Track 2: in a shit movie whatever you know what I mean but those two,

Track 2: unforgivable yeah I.

Track 1: Don't think I mean as far as the lead like I don't think what kind of films is she gonna do now.

Track 2: What did yeah I think I sent you this message where I was like,

Track 2: All that Gascon really had to do was just put out a couple of tweets,

Track 2: maybe do a couple of interviews where she'd be like, you know,

Track 2: I'm sorry that this offends Mexicans, but it's important that a trans woman

Track 2: is in the movie. All she had to do was like that.

Track 2: And she'd get a couple of roles in Hollywood and she'd get a career.

Track 2: But instead she had to be like, no, like Islam is going to destroy Spain.

Track 2: And like, like, you know what I mean? Like, it's just, do you want an Oscar? Yeah.

Track 2: because this is not how you get an Oscar all she had to do was just basically

Track 2: representation is important and she would have got a career she did.

Track 1: The wrong she should have first won the award and then come out as a racist person like.

Track 2: Mel Gibson or something.

Track 1: To anyone listening I think watch it your own risk.

Track 2: Just don't watch it this episode if you somehow have a friend who is going to

Track 2: pretend this movie is good.

Track 2: This podcast has told you why it's bad and that's all you need. Don't watch it.

Track 2: My life is worse because I watched it. It made my life worse watching this movie.

Track 2: Don't even listen to this podcast.

Track 1: Wait, but you've already listened. It's too late.

Track 2: All you need to do is just all of the things we said about this film and this

Track 2: podcast, tell that to your weird liberal friend who thinks it's a good movie

Track 2: and don't watch it because it's not fun.

Track 2: It's not interesting. It's offensive. you'll just you will just you will just hate it i told my uh my.

Track 1: My in-laws they're like they i.

Track 2: Mentioned that.

Track 1: I just seen it and they hadn't seen it yet like oh like that they had heard

Track 1: it was bad i'm like do not watch this film they're.

Track 2: Like okay good thank god you told that told me like i.

Track 1: Trust that you believe that this movie is so bad we won't watch it.

Track 2: Let me let me ask you something because i haven't watched any of these other

Track 2: ones that are in the whole oscars buzz which one of the which one of the other

Track 2: movies would you recommend let's finish this episode by telling people to watch something.

Track 1: Oh, no, that's like always a good

Track 1: thing to do. Like, I like to recommend something. I would say if you're...

Track 1: purely going off of the like the 10 that are nominated for best picture like

Track 1: which one of those would i there's 10 yeah they do 10 now like they change it

Track 1: like three or four years ago,

Track 1: well it's because now they added like comedies and like action movies like dune

Track 1: would never get nominated normally it's.

Track 2: A great movie.

Track 1: I would say for me my favorite film of my favorite oscar nominee film for this

Track 1: year like as far as just a good time is probably the substance but i think the

Track 1: best movie i think is probably a tie between anora and the brutalist both were very good yeah.

Track 2: I would say like the substance was great i've heard the brutalist is really

Track 2: good i haven't watched it i liked it i liked it's a double episode everybody

Track 2: now the substance go evan.

Track 1: Introduce the episode like a good so we can talk about a good movie but the

Track 1: the brutalist is very good and it's not the zionist film that i i anticipated it to be.

Track 2: Yeah that's the thing i haven't watched it because i read the story and it sounds very pro-israel.

Track 1: It's not i actually don't think that it is.

Track 2: Okay and then what's the one that you were saying.

Track 1: Conclave i think is really good conclave i think it's gonna win best picture actually that's my pick.

Track 2: What's the one that goes it's like the two brothers that go to poland.

Track 1: That is that that's oh that wasn't nominated for best picture that's a real

Track 1: pain it wasn't nominated for best picture okay but that's really good that's

Track 1: actually that could be my favorite film of the year of 2024 that's just overall i'm picking any film.

Track 2: That one i'm gonna watch i want to watch that one.

Track 1: Yeah kieran kieran um Culkin gives like he's gonna win the Oscar without a doubt

Track 1: if he doesn't win I'd be shocked.

Track 2: No it's gonna be who's the boyfriend from Amelia.

Track 1: It's gonna be him from one scene,

Track 1: he's in a cowboy hat he comes up on stage,

Track 1: I would say the other one, have either of you seen Kneecap? Have I talked to you about this?

Track 2: Oh my god. Stop. We're big, big Kneecap fans.

Track 1: That's my second favorite film of the year.

Track 2: I haven't seen it, but I haven't seen it. I mean, this is perfect for me.

Track 2: This is something I should.

Track 1: Kneecap is excellent.

Track 2: And honestly, again, sort of the cultural perspective, you know,

Track 2: Chris is from the Republic of Ireland, I'm from Britain.

Track 2: Like, the fact that these guys are just like, no, we're going to speak Gaelic and go fuck yourself,

Track 2: has had such a massive impact on Britain and island legacy yeah i i like i listen

Track 2: to music i know them i don't know them personally but like i know i haven't

Track 2: i haven't even thought about watching a movie to be honest it's really good.

Track 1: Think it just uh it's now on streaming on something i forget what it.

Track 2: Is it is worth it yeah yeah yeah.

Track 1: That one's worth it the other the last one i've recommended in another episode

Track 1: but is uh red rooms is another really good one french film.

Track 2: No no no i haven't seen that.

Track 1: It's uh it's like uh i don't even know how to describe it it's it's uh like

Track 1: a very violent film without like seeing the violence uh.

Track 2: Is it like you know like what was that french horror movement called like the new french horror.

Track 1: I don't know if it's really would fit into there it's it's very it's like a

Track 1: it's like the movie natural born killers but okay but good okay i don't know no.

Track 2: It's not a good movie.

Track 1: No it's it explores like the same theme of like violence in society,

Track 1: but in a much better nuanced way.

Track 2: Evan, I got some good news for you. Are you ready?

Track 1: Yes.

Track 2: You never, ever have to think about Emilia Perez again. Griff,

Track 2: you're free. You're free.

Track 1: You're free, everybody. It's not true. Why? I'm going to have to edit this podcast

Track 1: and listen to what you're talking about.

Track 2: Loser. For me, you're free. Here's my final line. No me duele el pinche vulva.

Track 1: And I think that's a good sign-off to...

Track 1: to this terrible film with uh with very good guests uh chris and griff thank you for uh.

Track 2: Coming on and talking yeah this shit it's all right yeah it's all right i know

Track 2: next time we're gonna have to do a film that we actually like because we've

Track 2: done like three films where like these are not yeah i guess i guess we like

Track 2: talking shit about things well we started we started.

Track 1: Off like from like the peak from children.

Track 2: Of men and like have slowly descended well like yeah because el conde was all

Track 2: right it's it was all right it's not a great it's not a great movie it's all

Track 2: right golden eye was shit and

Track 2: this this is like a new level of shit like they need a new word for this,

Track 2: slop just like but.

Track 1: We'll find something of of higher entertainment if if not like high art just fun.

Track 2: Yeah just some just something that i'm like i watched that movie like i liked

Track 2: it if you want if you want some higher entertainment right me and griff are

Track 2: just about to release um our final it's it's sort of like an add-on to our last

Track 2: season yeah it's like a radio play It was like a radio play. We sort of went all in.

Track 1: Was this the one that you were talking about doing or no?

Track 2: Yeah, yeah. We were talking about doing it. Yeah. Yeah. So it is basically it's

Track 2: Hernan Cortes, Bartolomir Las Casas.

Track 2: Walter Raleigh. Walter Raleigh, The Warners, and William Lamport all descending to hell in an elevator.

Track 1: That's great.

Track 2: It's ready. It's on my computer. Griff's angry at me because I'm not giving

Track 2: it to him to release. We're going to release it. It's going to be released by

Track 2: the time this episode is out.

Track 1: What's that director who did like all the, this is going to like the, he's like Woody Allen.

Track 1: He has a film called Deconstructing Harry, which is like one of the few Woody

Track 1: Allen movies that I kind of like, it's okay.

Track 1: And it literally is him descending to hell. Like that's what we think of it. That's why.

Track 2: Oh yeah. Shit. I haven't seen it. Neither of us have watched that,

Track 2: but like, yeah, the idea is.

Track 1: Don't watch it. Don't watch it.

Track 2: They're all in a lift going down to hell. We're going to release that probably a couple of days.

Track 2: Yeah. But at the time this episode is out, it will be out. so come over to uh

Track 2: yeah i'm gonna flip this one up pretty quick because it's like.

Track 1: You know i'm gonna i'm gonna take.

Track 2: That take hold of the.

Track 1: Oscar because i'm doing next week i'm doing a real pain so i'm gonna release them both.

Track 2: Probably yeah and also the one thing that we are terrible at doing even in our

Track 2: own podcast is reminding people we have a patreon please give please give us

Track 2: some yes i you should you you.

Track 1: Should and then and you should also everyone listen to this their podcast it

Track 1: is uh it is very good and you should uh you should do that at the bare minimum.

Track 2: Yeah at the bare minimum listen to it and tell someone

Track 2: else is good yeah i will be back we'll be back for some other episode we keep

Track 2: on talking about different movies we have so many yeah and you know what the

Track 2: next one's going to be i'm going to say it right now there's no changing it

Track 2: you ready star wars to the wrath of khan star wars or star trek i haven't.

Track 1: Seen that in such a long time.

Track 2: I stand by what i said i've never been a trekkie he's never been a trekkie and

Track 2: i'm a trekkie even though i just said star wars too i've seen.

Track 1: I i like i'm more of like a fan of like the some of the shows like the next generation that was.

Track 2: Always no you know you gotta watch the wrath of can do you accept accept live

Track 2: now do you accept oh i i think i think like because i'm i've never really watched

Track 2: star trek but i think there's a lot that's interesting to talk about star trek

Track 2: right like the first interracial kiss like the kind of it's all like left liberal

Track 2: kind of media right i think it is Rathakhan too. Stay tuned.

Track 1: Dear listeners, we may be back for the Rathakhan. The Empire Strikes Back.

Track 2: See, shut the fuck up. You bad bastard. You did this to yourself. I totally did.

Track 2: I totally did. I'm talking to you from six feet deep right now. I dug my own grave.

Track 1: But everyone can listen to your podcast.

Track 2: Bring out your dad.

Track 1: And this podcast because you're listening right now and we will catch you for

Track 1: a future installment of this group in the future signing off always a pleasure.