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[00:00:23] Eric Goranson: this is around the house. Welcome to around the house with Eric G and Caroline B. This is the midweek special. How did we get to the middle of the week already? I don't know. It's insane.

[00:00:38] Caroline Blazovsky: my bones are hurting today, guys. Like it's been two days now of home projects, home renovation, all the stuff we talk about, I'm doing it, my place and my bones hurt.

[00:00:50] Caroline Blazovsky: My body hurts. You're

[00:00:51] Eric Goranson: gonna ha you're got getting behind, out behind the, Dakin getting some dirt.

[00:00:56] Caroline Blazovsky: Yay. Yay guys. , [00:01:00]

[00:01:00] Eric Goranson: so many things. So I think your latest battle today was electrical, right?

[00:01:04] Caroline Blazovsky: Oh my gosh. We had, you know, all this stuff we talk about on the show is so real. And so every day, I mean, we pulled out a window and we ended up finding water pipes within the wall.

[00:01:17] Caroline Blazovsky: So just like out in the can lever, like they could have froze any time and broken, like nobody even knew they were there at some point, there was a. and the water pipes were there. Oh, come old houses. Oh my God. And then we found the electrical was completely boffed. So that was going all around the, uh, the wrong direction, not code above the door.

[00:01:36] Caroline Blazovsky: So all of that had to be changed and, uh, yep. Fun stuff,

[00:01:40] Eric Goranson: fun stuff. And then you need a new panel. It sounds like little service upgrade. Yeah. Let's

[00:01:45] Caroline Blazovsky: talk about that because we were talking about what do you upgrade to, and what's really enough with all the technology and all of the electric you're gonna have.

[00:01:53] Caroline Blazovsky: Have to talk about, and I'll let you talk about that. Cuz you had such good points being Mr. Technology, that you are

[00:01:59] Eric Goranson: [00:02:00] well, you know, I've done the service upgrade stuff before and it sounds like you have like 150 amp and you need at least a 200 amp because we're, is that what your electrician? Right.

[00:02:09] Caroline Blazovsky: So cuz we're gonna put in a swim spa and then we're potentially thinking about upgrading the furnace to be a heat pump.

[00:02:16] Caroline Blazovsky: And these things you have to think like when you're doing this upgrade, like what am I gonna need? And then you brought up a whole other. Ball of wax, if you

[00:02:24] Eric Goranson: will. Well, and here's the thing sometimes 200 is not nearly enough on a decent sized house because when you start looking at it, you know, you've got maybe a, um, let's say you've got a, a water heater, electric water heater, cuz you know, they're trying to push everybody from gas right now.

[00:02:41] Eric Goranson: So yep. If you've got a water heater and you've got a car charger, you've got a swim spa or a hot tub. Cool. You've got an oven, a dryer and a heat pump. All of a sudden you can get up to 200 amps really quickly and oh, wait a minute. You still gotta power the [00:03:00] rest of the house.

[00:03:01] Caroline Blazovsky: Unbelievable. I mean, really?

[00:03:04] Caroline Blazovsky: So, I mean, you, I mean, typically you hear about 200. I mean, that's what I'm familiar with, but can you go higher and how, how can you go? Oh yeah. And what's safe. Is it safe to go, to have 400

[00:03:14] Eric Goranson: a coming into your house? Well, it's, it's the same. I mean, they're just bringing in more power to it, so it's just more load coming into it.

[00:03:21] Eric Goranson: So the it's all safe. I mean, you look at a hospital and that's got, you know, like, you know, three phase, basically what you see it on the, on, on the, uh, On the pole outside is coming into the building. So, I mean, it's, that's perfectly safe as well, but it's just depending as, you know, they gotta put it in there and make sure you've got enough, many times, you'll see over 200 amp service coming in when you've got two huge panels sitting right next to each other, which is pretty easy.

[00:03:49] Eric Goranson: Now when we've switched to L E D bulbs, that sure helped because you don't have to have as many. You know, yes. Amps pulling on lighting circuits and things like that. But you know, when you do a kit tree model, [00:04:00] all of a sudden you can fix, you can fill up that panel really quickly. And man, if you're putting in a steam shower where there's another 30 amps, I mean, it just keeps going and going so many times the electrician will look at and go, ah, you know, if you're gonna put all that stuff in, you might need more than a 200 damn service because the last thing you wanna do is overheat that panel.

[00:04:21] Eric Goranson: And what's interesting

[00:04:21] Caroline Blazovsky: is sometimes you have to. Change the line coming into the house. Like you have to change the meter. Mm-hmm , you've gotta change your panel box. So you have to start thinking about, you know, expense wise, you know, I had electricians out, it wasn't cheap and they were there just to do something simple.

[00:04:37] Caroline Blazovsky: Two guys came out and

[00:04:40] Eric Goranson: yeah, I think my panel upgraded, cuz I had one of the Cutler hammer, uh, split main panels that was really bad. That are the fire ones that you see, uh, that were out of the sixties and seventies. I had one of those, and that was very close to being a fire. [00:05:00] Uh, the bake light pieces on the inside had heated up.

[00:05:02] Eric Goranson: It was really close and we swapped that out. I think my electrician here was about 6,500 bucks for the panel swap out which isn't and we had to move it and do some stuff, but yeah.

[00:05:15] Caroline Blazovsky: And, uh, I'm in the New York Metro area. So I'm, I think we could probably. Jack up that price, probably at least two grand. I don't know.

[00:05:23] Caroline Blazovsky: We're waiting to see.

[00:05:23] Eric Goranson: Well, keep in mind. That was two years ago. So yeah, he said

[00:05:26] Caroline Blazovsky: he was talking about about 8,000. What was interesting is if anybody out there has an older home and you get the flickering of the lights we were talking about like the older panels you'll. Plug something in mm-hmm , you know, so you, I don't know, you're plugging in an extra vacuum or a sauna or whatever you're plugging in.

[00:05:42] Caroline Blazovsky: You'll see this flicker. And he was explaining that a lot of the time when you up the amage, that will help the flicker. He goes not all the time. Sometimes it's still just the older houses have this weird kind of, uh, quirk, but he said that a lot of the time when you do up it, you won't get that flickering.

[00:05:57] Caroline Blazovsky: So that's good to know. Yeah. What

[00:05:58] Eric Goranson: can happen is, is that wire is [00:06:00] not, you know, uh, maybe the, the, if it's got fabric on the outside, which is more of a 40 fifties kind of thing, but you know, mostly in the sixties and seventies, they were starting to use Romex at that point. I forget what year they started doing it.

[00:06:13] Eric Goranson: But long story short. Yeah. You can be overloading that circuit that's when you start to see flickers and stuff as well, and it might not be hurting or causing. Too much heat, but you think about it when you turn on a vacuum, there's a starter on it. That's that, that has to get the motor moving for it to go.

[00:06:29] Eric Goranson: And that's where you see that initial dim, like when you hit like a tool, like a saw or a vacuum or anything like that, there's that initial start that pulls lots of quick amperage and then the motor's going and it uses very little it's that first start that usually will flicker cuz you're pulling. A lot of amps right off the bat, which of course dims other amp sensitive things like L E D lights and things like that.

[00:06:55] Eric Goranson: Yeah. So hopefully

[00:06:57] Caroline Blazovsky: even though it's a big project and again, money that you're not [00:07:00] expecting to spend, but sometimes you gotta do it cuz you can't

[00:07:03] Eric Goranson: get other things done. Now you will have to put in the new arc fault breakers and not just the regular breakers. And so those are a new, special kind of breaker that I think national code brought in in 2021.

[00:07:18] Eric Goranson: That says you have to have the arc faults. Now. They're really cool, cuz they are safer. But if you thought that you had problems with maybe that hair dryer or curling iron kicking off the GFC, oh wait, hold my beer. Those are even more sensitive to things like that in motors. So you will traditionally have to go shut off.

[00:07:38] Eric Goranson: Um, you have to reset those a lot more than you will a normal. Normal like GFC or just a regular ally. I learned something

[00:07:46] Caroline Blazovsky: new today. I like to share and probably everybody knows this, but I, I'm not an electric person. So like, that is not my forte, but there's something in there called a bubble. Which protects your water heater.

[00:07:59] Caroline Blazovsky: Have you heard about this? [00:08:00] It's it's like, I guess it's code and it has to sit inside there. And he talked about this bubble and I, and I was kind of I'm like, what is that?

[00:08:07] Eric Goranson: And he's like, now there's a pressure expansion tank that you put in. That's a, it's a little metal. Um, it's required in a lot of areas, not in all areas, but it's a, it's a, uh, little tiny pressure expansion tank that looks like a little.

[00:08:22] Eric Goranson: You know, well, tank that goes in there, that's probably the size of a little smaller than a five gallon bucket usually. Mm. And you put that in there. So that gives you a place to expand and contract with it. No, he was talking

[00:08:34] Caroline Blazovsky: about something with regards to the water heater and he kept calling it a bubble he's like that you have to have this bubble and I'm like, I.

[00:08:41] Eric Goranson: I was like, I think he's probably talking the expansion tank, cuz that's kind of got a, that's got a diaphragm in it, like a well pump does with that system. And what that does is when, you know, when you think about it, when water heats it expands and it's gotta go someplace. So instead of raising the pressure higher in your system, That's what that, [00:09:00] um, expansion tank does.

[00:09:01] Eric Goranson: And so that keeps it from getting too much pressure. Gives it a place for that to expand to without you losing water pressure.

[00:09:08] Caroline Blazovsky: Is that no, but is that in the, he was talking about it in the actual board, in the actual wall. Not like in my well tank. I don't know what he is talking about. I don't either not for a water here.

[00:09:19] Caroline Blazovsky: Somebody look it up. That's I, someone of our no

[00:09:22] Eric Goranson: audience, look it up. There's no, there's no bubble or anything in the panel. That's weird. I don't know what he's talking about is

[00:09:28] Caroline Blazovsky: he's calling it a bubble. I'm like, what is that? He's like, oh, you gotta make sure you have this bubble in there. I'm like, okay.

[00:09:33] Eric Goranson: I think he's pulling your leg.

[00:09:34] Eric Goranson: I don't know. He, everybody was there. I think he was pulling your leg. yep. So, I mean, you have to have your, you know, you have to have, you know, the panel hooked up correctly. But there is no, I mean, you've got a regular breaker to run an electric water heater. So there's nothing special with that. So who knows, knows what he's talking about?

[00:09:54] Eric Goranson: I got a feeling he was pulling

[00:09:55] Caroline Blazovsky: your leg. I don't know. He wasn't talking to me. So I just overheard I don't know. Yeah, [00:10:00] I'm Googling

[00:10:00] Eric Goranson: it. I think he was pulling somebody's leg. That's that's not a thing if you know what I mean, but, uh, well, cool. I wanted to talk today a little bit about some of the top tips out there for people.

[00:10:13] Eric Goranson: With homeowner's insurance, because here's my question for our audience out there. Here's a question for you. When was the last time you updated your homeowner's insurance? I did. When was the last time you looked at it? Because in my area, my house has almost doubled in price from when I bought it. And so if you're not making that evaluation every year with some of these huge increases, you could be in a world of hurt, especially where we've got.

[00:10:42] Eric Goranson: Things that take so long to go. Back to normal with a house and also with,

[00:10:48] Caroline Blazovsky: and it could be a huge deal with mold. You have to make sure that you put a rider. Most of these policies are no longer covering mold. So you get into it thinking, oh, if I get a broken pipe, if I get a flooded basement, no worries.

[00:10:59] Caroline Blazovsky: I'm gonna be covered. [00:11:00] Absolutely not. You have to make sure and call up and add a rider. And these riders are not expensive. I mean, you're talking about maybe a total of like 20, $25 added to your policy. That it con increase your coverage by like $15,000. So you should definitely look into it and make sure you put it on

[00:11:15] Eric Goranson: there.

[00:11:16] Eric Goranson: Yeah. And make sure, you know, every state is different. So make sure that you understand what your state's rules and regulations are because how they do insurance in one area is completely different when they do it in another state. But the one thing I want you to really think about is on your homeowner's insurance before we get into any of the other stuff.

[00:11:37] Eric Goranson: And I'm watching this down the street. So I've got a house that burnt down probably 45 days ago and it burnt through the roof and terrible. It sat there. So it's been 45 to 60 days right now. And they finally got it to the point where they took the, all the trash roof system up. All there are is walls that are framed [00:12:00] and you can see they've gutted everything and got it cleaned.

[00:12:03] Eric Goranson: but they haven't even started the rebuild process and they're two months into it. So that tells you that up to that point, they probably have another four to six months before they're back in this house. So you wanna make sure that your insurance company one has gotten that figured out that they do have enough coverage for you to spend.

[00:12:26] Eric Goranson: Six months to a year out there. And here's what the biggest problem is, is if you're in a natural disaster area, let's say so, let's say it. Wasn't just one house. Maybe you're in the Midwest and you had a tornado and it took out the neighborhood that replacement cost could be 20 to 40%, even more. Because of the demand of builders in that area, mm-hmm to rebuild these homes.

[00:12:50] Eric Goranson: Absolutely. So you really wanna make sure that you've got that guaranteed replacement cost coverage, and that's a keyword. There is that guaranteed [00:13:00] replacement cost coverage, whatever that replacement cost is, they're gonna pay it versus have to do six months of the dance of them going well, it's just because there's no, you're not paying for that.

[00:13:10] Eric Goranson: That's their job. A hundred percent.

[00:13:13] Caroline Blazovsky: And we've seen it time and time again, too. This has been going on. Oh yeah.

[00:13:18] Eric Goranson: So make sure you gotta, I mean, the replacement costs now, if you haven't looked at your policy in two years, I can just about guaranteed you're underinsured. And then here's an interesting one.

[00:13:29] Eric Goranson: Did you know that in, in the us that only about 15% of all homeowners have flood insurance? Yes. And so that's pretty crazy that so many people. Are not insured for flood. I

[00:13:46] Caroline Blazovsky: thought too, there's certain areas that demand it and then you have to have it. Mm-hmm but then there's other areas. If you wanna get it, they don't let

[00:13:53] Eric Goranson: you get.

[00:13:55] Eric Goranson: It's depending like my house, um, there is, I mean, we're calling [00:14:00] no in the arc. If I get flooded here, but many times, you know, you have to get it in certain areas. There's some areas. I mean, it's, it's a whole FEMA thing where they've got, you know, where the a hundred year flood is and all these things. So you have to really look into that and make sure, um, what you're doing.

[00:14:19] Eric Goranson: Is correct. And that's something to talk to your agent about, but there is also, uh, you know, most people get their flood insurance through the national flood insurance program, which is N F I P. And you can also get a private market, but usually that's one of the better places to go. But they've got a new pricing system they've done this last year, so it should be a little bit more affordable, but.

[00:14:43] Eric Goranson: It's something to be very careful with because that can be very expensive if you don't because not all natural disasters are covered. You know, if I have a earthquake here, I hope you got earthquake insurance cuz earthquakes, most of the time are not covered. Now, if you live along the coast on the east coast, [00:15:00] you might have to have hurricane coverage, check your policies.

[00:15:03] Eric Goranson: You have a wind coverage for that. So make sure you've got the right coverage. For the right plan and for your, for your neighborhood and where you're at. Absolutely. Wow. So lots going on for mid well, you were talking about yeah. You were talking about writers. That's another good one is that, um, like we talked about home insurance only covers certain water damage and leaks.

[00:15:29] Eric Goranson: But definitely not all of them. Well, and I think it's kind

[00:15:33] Caroline Blazovsky: of becoming like, it's kind of like car insurance, right? You can get the basic mm-hmm like in our state, you can get the basic minimum, but you know, you're only gonna be covered for major catastrophic issues, but then you can pay more. And get a lot more for your coverage and make sure that if you have a soft tissue injury, you can Sue for that.

[00:15:51] Caroline Blazovsky: Or if you have something that happens to you, that's, you know, you don't have a, you're not missing an appendage, but you've got some sort of minor injury that creates a chronic problem. You can [00:16:00] go after them. It's the same with homeowners. People think, oh, I'm just gonna get this policy. That's all that's offered.

[00:16:05] Caroline Blazovsky: But when you really dig deeper into it, there's a lot of other options you have that you can add on to that policy in, in the form

[00:16:10] Eric Goranson: of a writer. Yeah, you can get stuff like for some pump failure and sewer backups. There's a lot of different stuff with that. But, uh, and then one thing too, I want you to keep in mind is, is when you notice there's a leak, if you're gonna turn that in for the insurance company.

[00:16:24] Eric Goranson: Um, make sure that you gone after it and did the best thing you could to stop that leak. Um, many times a leak that's been going on for months and months, isn't gonna be coverage because you missed it as a maintenance item and you didn't take care of it. So it's one thing to have a pipe break, but if you've had a refrigerator leaking for, you know, six to eight months and you just finally caught it many times, that's not covered and that's coming out of your are a plethora

[00:16:51] Caroline Blazovsky: of stuff.

[00:16:52] Caroline Blazovsky: My mind's fried . Oh,

[00:16:54] Eric Goranson: yeah. Yeah. And then, yeah. And then make sure, [00:17:00] make sure you got your liability coverage. Correct too. That's a big one because you know, if you've got, it can be somebody as stupid as that little bump in the sidewalk, out front, somebody trips on it, cuz maybe your tree's pushing the sidewalk up and somebody trips and all of a sudden they're yelling at you and you got a lawsuit against her for somebody getting hurt on your sidewalk.

[00:17:17] Eric Goranson: It can be that stupid. Or how about

[00:17:18] Caroline Blazovsky: the FedEx guy stepping on your, if you have those caps on top of your say you have a retaining wall and you don't glue down the cap and the caps lose and the FedEx guy goes flying. That's I've seen it happen so many times. Yep. Guess what? It's your fault? Oops.

[00:17:37] Eric Goranson: I'd tell the FedEx guy not to walk on my retaining wall. Use the walkway. Think you're safe there, but any Yahoo can see you for anything. So that's the thing you gotta be careful with. I mean, somebody can bump into you in a parking lot and all of a sudden there's a hundred thousand dollars deal. The other thing is too, is that, um, think about the, take an inventory, what you got in your house.[00:18:00]

[00:18:00] Eric Goranson: Could you make a list? And I had this when my, when my garage got broken into geez, 12, 15 years ago. Came home. And somebody had hooked a chain up to my garage doors and they were laying in my driveway and all my tools were gone. And, uh, it was hard to remember all the stuff that I lost, what you have. So a hundred percent so maybe.

[00:18:19] Caroline Blazovsky: And who does, I mean, I don't make a list of all of it. And we should like, especially the most expensive items and the things that are really just

[00:18:25] Eric Goranson: not replace smart, smart. Maybe you want to go through and, and. You know, maybe every six month or quarterly, you go through with your cell phone, do a walkthrough.

[00:18:33] Eric Goranson: You know, it'll get saved up in the cloud anyway, but you've got it. So you can go through your house and just kinda look open up cupboards. See what you got, you know, walk out in the shed, the garage crawlspace attic, just.

[00:18:45] Caroline Blazovsky: Even take pictures. That's a good thing. Like you just reminded me like take pictures of the area and then you can go back and look and be like, well, the cool thing

[00:18:51] Eric Goranson: with video is, is you've got this whole area and it's also something that could stand up in cos it's got a timestamp on it.

[00:18:57] Eric Goranson: So if you had to go back and say, oh, this is all the [00:19:00] stuff that I had, you can make that claim and go, oh yeah, I remember that cabinet. It had this, this, this, this, and this in it. And you're gonna do a better job of remembering it. So the nice thing with, if you just shot one big. 10 minute video. You've got it.

[00:19:14] Eric Goranson: And you've got it from almost all angles. Cuz you can literally walk in the room slowly, spin around, go to the next one, open up anything as you go through, pop, open the closets and you can do a pretty quick inventory without having to take a bunch of pictures. And you've got it all in one context. Yeah.

[00:19:32] Eric Goranson: Absolutely. So that's a good one. Good advice friend. There's a lot of those things to that. And you got a lot of good advice to that. Yeah. Thanks. It's rolling. It's one of those, you know, I'm thinking about house prices today. I'm like, you know, we haven't talked about insurance in a while, so that's a good one to dive into.

[00:19:47] Eric Goranson: That's a good one to dive into. So. Cool. So what's next on your house, Caroline?

[00:19:53] Caroline Blazovsky: No, I don't know. Oh, you know, I got an accident. I had an accident this weekend. Yeah. Which was not fun. [00:20:00] So I'm injured and,

[00:20:01] Eric Goranson: and you got that weird New Jersey. I leave that contract. You got those weird New Jersey tort law stuff out there too, which is weird.

[00:20:08] Caroline Blazovsky: That's what I was talking about. Like I was explaining to Eric, like in our state, It's so vastly different from other states, but that's why you have to look at policies and you do get what you pay for like a lot of people just say, I'm not gonna go with the full tort. I, I don't need it, but it gives you the options that if you have a soft tissue injury or those types of things that sometimes, you know, they don't, there's nothing you can do about them.

[00:20:29] Caroline Blazovsky: You get chronic migraines, but you didn't lose an appendage. You, someone didn't die, you didn't have massive. Um, surgeries. So, you know, it's, you gotta look at your pals.

[00:20:39] Eric Goranson: I mean, it does save that torch stuff does save you guys money, cuz there's only six ways that, you know, I think there's only six ways with that.

[00:20:45] Eric Goranson: You can Sue somebody with that, but still, uh, it's not like Florida. I, I don't know. You go to Florida and I go on vacation down there. Like I was a couple weeks ago. Every single news commercial is. Smith Smith and Smith injury [00:21:00] law firm. I got them $400,000 from the accident on the freeway. And it's all it is, is lawyers commercials through every news and TV show.

[00:21:09] Eric Goranson: So there's a big industry down there compared to what you guys have going on there, cuz they've decided to limit it.

[00:21:15] Caroline Blazovsky: Yep. I'm a, like, I'm a big believer in insurance, especially when it comes to your house and protection. So, you know, everybody has their own viewpoint, but I'm one of the people that will advocate for you to get as much insurance as you can, especially if, you know, if you don't have a lot in savings and your budget, you know, it's gonna be limited what you can do.

[00:21:32] Caroline Blazovsky: So, yep.

[00:21:33] Eric Goranson: And it's just good to do and then make sure every year or two that you're, uh, you know, that's, that's I, where having that personal insurance agent can help you. Because they might remind you that, Hey, they know in your area that your house could be very underinsured. So it's something to think.

[00:21:48] Eric Goranson: Versus the big lumber. That's huge. I mean,

[00:21:49] Caroline Blazovsky: how many people have checked their policy? I mean, I haven't checked my policy in, I mean, since before COVID yeah. And the, and the prices of lumber have gone

[00:21:57] Eric Goranson: sky. Yeah. Most materials now. I mean, you're looking [00:22:00] many materials are 20, 25% higher. Lumber's actually back down again, but it's a commodity market.

[00:22:05] Eric Goranson: So it's up again, down again. Um, you know, I was just looking for my buddy west to pulling some materials for him. And, um, the plywood that he looked at last month is $6 a sheet less today than it was 40 days ago. You know, I couldn't get CDX

[00:22:21] Caroline Blazovsky: today. Really couldn't find it only AC that's weird. Yeah.

[00:22:25] Eric Goranson: Where are we going to all the lumber yards or just lumber yards home center, usually have it, but did you check there?

[00:22:33] Eric Goranson: Wow. Yeah,

[00:22:34] Caroline Blazovsky: well, no, I didn't. I, I usually go to lumberyard. I like to support local you. I do

[00:22:38] Eric Goranson: too. Sometimes. It's that's when I can't get it. I that's where I have to go, but, uh, oops there,

[00:22:44] Caroline Blazovsky: but I was shocked that they didn't have CDX and, uh, I couldn't get clam shell either. They only had pre primed, which I don't like.

[00:22:49] Caroline Blazovsky: I usually like natural clams shell. I couldn't get that.

[00:22:54] Eric Goranson: I think part of that is, is why you see inventory low is because with lumber prices falling, the [00:23:00] lumber yards are trying to keep as small to inventory as. So, what they do is they buy just enough to get through next week because they know the next unit is gonna be cheaper, right?

[00:23:11] Eric Goranson: So they buy less. And so when the new stuff comes in, they buy at a better price. When you see it's low and the price starts to go up and they can see it's gonna go up, they'll buy more inventory. They'll go, ah, instead of get half a truck, I'm gonna buy a rail. Because they know they're getting it cheaper.

[00:23:28] Eric Goranson: Yeah. It makes sense. You start to see those trends. And so when the prices are like right now, and they've been going down for 45 days, those lumber yards are like, ah, still has more to go. Still has more to go. We're gonna be, we're gonna dial it back and buy less. Well, we're not gonna inventory a lot. So they, they try to stay on top of that because they can be more competitive if they had bought a real carload of lumber and they're stuck with it where they paid you.

[00:23:55] Eric Goranson: $5 a sheet more than the lumberyard next door. They're losing a bunch of money or they've [00:24:00] lost customers because the next lumberyard can buy it cheaper. So, yeah,

[00:24:04] Caroline Blazovsky: I still haven't found them by the way, if anybody has vinyl siding, which I, I, I typically don't like it, but on my, under my under hangs or out of my can leaves, I have the house came with it.

[00:24:16] Caroline Blazovsky: Some vinyl.

[00:24:18] Eric Goranson: Oh, yeah, you're in, you're in this, but these companies

[00:24:20] Caroline Blazovsky: search for vinyl. They love to make like new and you can't get the old, so now I'm gonna have to replace all the old stuff because I can't match it.

[00:24:28] Eric Goranson: Exactly. It's so fun. Gotta do the whole outside now. Chase it around the building. All right, let's wrap it up.

[00:24:37] Eric Goranson: I hear the music. I'm Eric G and I'm Caroline B and you've been listening to around, around the house