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Three, two, Jazz hands.

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Woo!

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I that

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I guess I'm trying the desktop version today punishment.

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Did you get the session back that you lost the timeline of?

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Yes, you know what it was.

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What?

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the overlaid video of Gimble's intro loader.

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I dropped a video in off his Instagram, of Michael's Instagram, which was just cool for

people watching the YouTube video, and I thought it would be easy.

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broke it.

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Yes.

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Anyway, it going for you?

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I am...

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well, thank you.

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I'm still waking up.

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Got my coffee.

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I sent you the picture of the coffee filling directly in the Mocker Master.

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No way.

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And what I didn't send you was the photo of it overflowing because I didn't get back to it

in time and it was just like...

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spilling forth.

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Which made it possibly an even better photo, but there you go.

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I do love the orange one.

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Yeah, the orange is good.

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What color's yours?

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just boring, like slate gray for the house, because that's, just, millennials.

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And apparently, did you hear this?

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That like Gen Z starting to see our like millennial minimalism as like what we think is

like 90s oak houses.

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It's starting to look kind of like dated and like, well, it probably has for a while to

them, but.

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It's just looking kind of rough, I guess.

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And I'm like, no, that means we're really old.

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Black doesn't get dated.

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can just, black's forever.

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yep.

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Yep, I wear black uniform.

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Do you wear a uniform?

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I don't really have a sense of what you wear other than like the third of your body.

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Yeah, I wanna see your pants.

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Basically, yeah, I have like a couple pair of jeans.

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One of, I got into long sleeve shirts last year and wore one of five of those.

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Yeah, there was a while where you were wearing, I think during your winter, you were

wearing your maroon hoodie and like every one of our thumbnails.

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it's just I just noticed it.

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It's like They might think we're just repeating these

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got about five of those Like Butter hoodies, all in various states of disrepair.

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And I keep one clean one in the photo booth, just hanging on a hook that just lives up

there permanently so I can always just drag on the same clean one.

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But yeah, I pretty much wear Like Butter t-shirts or hoodies all year round, everywhere,

in every context, because it's the only clean clothes I have.

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It's the only clean clothes.

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Yeah, well, yeah, right.

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I know.

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Well, clean to a point, right?

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Like that's how mine are.

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Workshop clean.

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You don't wear these on the couch at home.

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yeah, I do.

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But maybe that's a reflection on our couch.

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or your clean workshop.

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maybe i don't know got lots of nice little notes here

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let's start out by talking about how your Moccamaster I think you got me onto it and then

we bought one when we had my son because I used to make a Chemex pour over like every day,

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which is what happens before you have kids.

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I knew as soon as that was coming up, I was like, yeah, there's no more time to spend 10

to 15 minutes swirling coffee with a little thing.

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And so I got a Mocha Master and I legitimately think it's just better than how I used to

make coffee, which is just kind of wild.

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I would have never said that before about any other drip machine.

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I don't understand what is so much better.

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Cause it's just very basic, like of a machine.

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See, I grew out of my coffee snubbery well before having children, I think.

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So I don't care much anymore.

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And I've had the Mockermaster a long time now, but it was back in Kensington days when I

bought it because I thought it would help keep the team on site and not wandering up the

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street for takeaways.

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And it did.

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It did help.

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You did the Google thing where you like brought in dry cleaning and childcare so they

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That's right.

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And yeah, I stopped caring about coffee a long time ago and I kind of gaslit my

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like a separate house and like back in the day.

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when you say that every time.

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you know, I was very coffee snobby and I sort of trained her on how much of a coffee

snobbo was and then, you over the years I just cared less and less and less and now, like,

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she's very perplexed by the fact that I'll drink anything, including instant coffee.

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She'll come in asking for techniques of, how to use her aero press better.

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I'm like, I don't know.

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I don't care.

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Do what you want.

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a barista before I met her at a little coffee shop.

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like she just recently, I always tried to get her to like help me make better coffee at

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And she just would be like, I don't care.

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I don't want to do that anymore.

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I don't care.

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And then just recently she saw me like making on our little like crappy home espresso

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I'm like, you've waited 15 years to tell me how to make better coffee.

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Yeah, anyway, that's funny.

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our machinist, because we met him.

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He was our local barista in the cafe.

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he's like, yeah, he cares the least of all of us in the shop, I think.

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coffee brings people together,

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have another Instagram account now.

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I think I'm on the five or six.

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So a bunch of you actually are just catching the show from last week as we record this.

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and that listen and we've had a bunch of people sign up.

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So the response has been really good so far to our Air Shop announcement and a bunch of

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and better to show rather than, or just, just some stuff is tough sometimes to like walk

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Don't be too precious either though, like...

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I know, I know.

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Bring people on the journey.

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I don't know, it's really fun and there's been a lot of confirmation of just basically

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Like a lot of listeners here and otherwise that are like, I have been looking for a thing

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It's not going to get much better than that at this point.

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Yeah, I was chatting to one of our clients who's an upholsterer and he, I think he must

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And then I mentioned what you're doing and send him the signup form and I think, you know,

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it clicked with him immediately seeing just your landing page and what you're trying to

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You've pushed a few people.

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I've said this before.

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I feel like, especially because of this podcast and just talking to you that I have so

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I guess I would call them friends.

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I don't know if they would call me a friend, But just so many people that are like.

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just so positively encouraging and just kind of along for anything, right?

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And especially a lot of Australians that have commented and it's just a nice feeling like

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Anyway, won't turn into an air shop advertising podcast.

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I promise.

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Just excited for the first little announcement.

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How's your 55 minute YouTube video going?

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decent performance?

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Slowed down.

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It's second to my plywood video in terms of last 10 performance, which is good.

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We did also pass 10,000 subscribers basically because of that video on YouTube.

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So that's kind of a nice weird little marker.

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Get to another digit.

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Do you get any revenue from YouTube?

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Currently in the last 28 days, my estimated revenue is $101.

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this is not a moneymaking venture.

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This is for fun or, uh, you know, genuinely still enjoy making video like that.

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Like it's like a different, it scratches a different itch of creativity and like,

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workflow and I was excited to use that new little gimbal camera.

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the little Osmo thing was really fun.

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then, yeah, I'm a tech, I'm a weird technology geek.

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So it's like, just, I want to try the new thing and how does it edit it?

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Did you watch any of it?

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You know, my schedule's just so full of ping pong videos after hours.

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I find it hard to get anything else done.

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Someone did show, sent me a YouTube video.

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Another video I haven't watched, but have looked at in part.

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of like, some historical manufacturing footage of a big tumbling setup, like barrel

tumbling, barrel finishing, which is cool to see.

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And pretty much looked very, very similar to what we're doing actually with our new barrel

finishing with like lumps of wax going in, but it looked like they're putting, I need to

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watch it in more detail.

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It's in German too, which doesn't help.

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But it almost looked like they were putting river stones into the steel drum and then

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Maybe the river stones will wax.

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I'm not sure.

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Anyway, the rag step was interesting because it was, you know, doing a secondary process

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But I kind of, wanted to ask our audience here whether the

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got any insights into barrel polishing, guess would be the best description because it's,

we're just getting a really waxy.

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It's working and it's okay, but we're getting quite like a waxy finish.

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Like all it's really doing is depositing wax on all the surfaces of the parts, which is

cool.

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And then I put in some like Ortex or like Ecopanel like industrial P-E-T felt.

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strips and just chuck them in as well thinking like they'll absorb some of the excess wax,

they'll give like a soft surface for the parts to rub against and maybe get a like a

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smoother finish which they did but then they just kind of soak up wax and get fully like

impregnated and kind of stop being useful I think.

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I was trying to think like what could I add into this barrel to help with the actual

polishing process smoothing and polishing

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I'm a bit stuck as to what media to use and wondering whether anyone had any insights into

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I asked the robots and they suggested like acetyl balls, delrin beads, which I don't know.

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like kind of bash it up a little bit.

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Maybe, I don't know.

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Maybe.

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What about, maybe this makes no sense.

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I don't have any much of any experience with this, but like, what about like those little

like no grit Brillo pads?

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Which one's are they?

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Let's preload.

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Like usually they're white here, like the stuff we use for Osmo.

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scratch-brite pad, similar?

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Got some of those.

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I mean, that's what you'd use for polishing in some applications, Yeah, or maybe if the

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potentially, because it's really loud.

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Like it's this hexagonal timber barrel.

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GONG GONG GONG

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dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig

dig dig dig dig

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I was trying to imagine what you would do in like an industrial setting.

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You know, honestly, we should run this by David because part of what we talked about in

the tour and like what they do a lot for people, But you might have an idea of like, just

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often he runs into these situations for big manufacturers where they're like, well, we

need to, we need to.

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know, tumble these parts differently, like how would you do it?

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And so they come up with a solution for them.

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And I was imagining it more like instead of it enclosed in something that they're like

running across the surface, probably like a inclined surface.

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And maybe that continues or I don't know how you keep it from, what if it's like a big U

that goes back and forth of like you would take a bowling ball.

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Yeah.

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shine it up, but it's just automated.

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Maybe a cool machine.

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I mean, that's kind of what the Tumblr barrel is doing.

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It's creating a sort of infinitely rolling surface-ish.

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Right, true, that's true.

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Just in the case that then I guess maybe they have more chance of hitting each other, but

I don't know.

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do, yeah.

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Ooh, made a sale.

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Flashy, flashy.

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Ta-da!

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Tada!

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Ricky get a flashing light too?

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Yeah, they're all over now.

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They're in the shipping area.

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They're just desk.

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It's funny.

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It's.

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Yeah, I made a little video of.

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Yeah.

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He's a little camera shy, so I don't I don't push it on him.

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us but it was nice to see.

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Hi Ricky.

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Whoo.

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senior Debris sent me a Instagram post for the first to see it, but there's this new,

wait, maybe we talked about it at one point, this company called Vention, V-E-N-T-I-O-N

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dot I-O.

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They had like a builder of automation things.

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You could like drop in robots and like extrusions and like.

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build a cell basically.

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think we talked about it like probably two years ago.

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They just announced that they came out with a collaboration with 3M, the new rapid series

sanding solution.

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And it's, it's a cobot.

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It looks like the progressive, I know it's a FNUC CRX30IA, which is like the worst naming

structure.

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And it's like a table that you can, they keep showing it with like cabinet door fronts.

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but it's a robot that will stand to these things.

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And it's like a turnkey solution.

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Classically, almost no information on pricing on their website, but.

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If you have to ask, you can't afford it, Justin.

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Yeah.

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show wood shops using it, so somebody's farting it.

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Unless it's like a prototype.

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Yeah, I haven't looked at the platform.

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I'm super curious though to just drag some robots around, see what you can do with a

little configuration tool.

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But yeah, I looked at that photo you sent me.

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was like, cool.

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Does it just send the fronts of cabinet doors?

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Because that's kind of like the easiest thing to send in my mind.

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But maybe cool.

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I don't know.

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If it can break edges, if it can send the bevel on my kid apart shelves, then.

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Maybe I'm interested.

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I don't know.

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They show it on the second link I have there on their website as standing a big long

plywood panel.

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Looks like it's like two and a half meters long, which would be surprising to me if it

could reach all that, but it might be on a track too.

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Yeah, mean, I don't know.

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Curious to learn more.

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It won't let me sign up with an Australian phone number, another time.

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Yeah, I mean, our big wide belt sander obviously does good surface sanding.

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You feed things out and it sands surfaces nicely.

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What it doesn't do is, you know, do any edge breaking or anything like that.

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And I've seen wide belt setups where they're a little bit more fancy and they've got like

kind of brushed stages within them that can get down into like a molded cabinet door

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detail, which, you know, is really not a thing that I'd ever do, but it can, you know, get

over an edge a little bit and break a sharp edge on a front of a cabinet door or, you

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know.

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Mm-hmm.

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get down into a V-groove and actually smooth it and things like that.

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But yeah.

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But you know, we've talked about here, like the bevels on our kid apart shelves are one of

the more labor-intensive sanding steps that we do.

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If you could teach a robot to get around, that radius and sand at the 60 degrees, then

great.

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Be cool.

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Seems so doable, but I mean, there's a lot of factors to it, I suppose.

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on this venture page, I mean, I'm sure they're always like overly aggressive about ROI

numbers.

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They're claiming a two-year payback on investment.

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I saw another one somewhere on a different page of a different setup.

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I think it was the Instagram post said one year

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of the ROI, is like pretty fast.

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But that's, you know, it's kind of, it's, pretty appealing at that point to like, if you

had the cash or you could finance it in your case to like, you have a use case in this, in

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this situation where you make a lot of those dang bevels and if it frees up somebody to do

it differently or like, I mean, I hate to say it, but I do imagine this could be something

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that a robot could do better than a human, like those kinds of bevel sanding.

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Yeah, that's right.

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easy to go around a corner with a consistent motion, even if you've done it a million

times.

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Yeah, and Ben will do it differently to how I would do it subtly.

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And not that that matters that much in this particular application, but consistency is

nice.

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Yeah.

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could do it better, potentially.

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Andy

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my name for it.

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shandy is just like a terrible drink that you have in a pub in Australia somewhere.

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You have those?

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You shandies?

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Yep.

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Cool.

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Yeah, maybe.

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I don't know.

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Have a shandy to go, please Linda.

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Hehehehehe

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They just give you a robot.

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Yes.

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Fantastic.

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Woohoo!

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Speaking of robots,

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over the years with on Trinity, which is our newer, faster, better flatbed CNC, the

Canadian built multicam.

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We've had various little weird, weird ghosty bug, like ghost in the machine sort of bugs

from time to time.

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Like it will start a cut and instead of driving at the intended feed rate, it will go at

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200 millimeters a minute and just like crawl and burn the tool and then get to a corner

and go, oh, off we go now and just like weird little thing or like you cut a spiral and if

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you pause in the middle of a spiral and then hit resume, it will just like go, woo, I'm

going this way now and just like cut through your work and completely the wrong direction.

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And John and I have always been a bit perplexed and stuck with it.

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And we've learned certain little tricks in Fusion where it's like, okay, if you add a

leading point here, a start point here, then that'll override that issue.

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And it's basically post processor incompatibilities or bugs.

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And that's what it comes down to.

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we're cutting these jobs, cutting these parts this week for some light fittings that we're

making for a client.

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And it's all circular work, like outer circle, inner diameter, circular cutouts within

that.

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And he cut the first few test parts and they weren't concentric, like they weren't round.

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You put two circles on top of each other and twist them 90 degrees and then like you get a

difference in edge by like a couple of millimeters, so significant.

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and but then you cut exactly the same file on the other machine on camera and they come

out round and really spooky but then you cut a circle of a slightly different diameter and

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it cuts perfectly so it's just like this these spooky little post processor bugs which we

can't don't know how to deal with sometimes and johnny comes into the office the other day

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he's like yeah i just i made a new post processor from scratch using chat ChatGPT t

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I was like, what?

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You did what?

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No, based off the good one.

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So based off Cameron's post, because Cameron and Trinity have different line arc needs.

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use the two different, you know, G-code, you've got the two different arc systems, which I

can't explain, off the top of my head.

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And they use the different systems anyway.

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So he's...

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He fed them, he fed both posts into chatty, fed good code, bad code, and then got it to

build a new post from scratch for Trinity and he's been testing it running and so far so

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good.

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And I was like, shit, yeah, that's awesome.

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Never occurred to me.

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Those kind of things do freak me out a little bit.

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The level of...

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like I'd probably do it for the router.

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I'd get pretty nervous about the mill just because it's like so apt to just destroy

itself.

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But I've...

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I mean I used to do...

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before there was these LLM things I used...

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I have modified both of them myself so...

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I guess that might be more risky considering my coding capabilities.

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I don't really know.

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Yeah, I've done like little mods like, you know, little one line here, one line there sort

of stuff, but not never occurred to me to do a complete overhaul.

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It's a good point.

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We should do the same because we have, was going to say for the shop saver, the shop saver

fusion post has some glitch in it where if I can never remember which one it is, you know,

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all those like feed rate settings on a, underneath the tool, you select the tool and tool

path.

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on that first page of the settings, you get like feed rate lead in lead out.

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It's like if too many of those are the same, I think it's if they match the feed rate, it

will basically glitch out.

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I don't know what happens, but it's like it's like almost like two negatives make a

positive situation and it will just go at rapid speed.

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It'll just start cutting it rapid like the exact same thing you're talking about.

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It'll ramp in and then it just has no feed rate.

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It just blasts away and it's got to be some logic about how it's

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looking at when it needs to post a feed rate, you know, like when it changes, it's

thinking like, no, it already said it was this.

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And so it doesn't post it for some reason.

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I've never tried to fix it, but it's annoying.

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The mill doesn't do that.

398

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surely that's a post issue as well, Gotta be,

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just never wanted to spend the time on it because it's really not that hard to avoid.

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I get, in your case, that seems like it's way worse because ours never goes on random

tangents.

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It doesn't go on joy rides.

402

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spooky when it does.

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not a fun time.

404

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Yeah.

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Don't know.

406

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Maybe I I three actually.

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Yeah, just in his own chatty account.

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I think he was using O3 maybe.

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I imagine cursor could do a good job of post stuff, Be a good environment to work on

posts.

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had a question for you actually on cursor, given that you're, I feel like you're more of a

pro user now that you're a software developer.

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I'm a little perplexed by the...

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difference between the chat function and the composer function.

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I've watched enough videos to know some answers

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what I haven't done.

415

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I haven't done any research.

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I just come to you.

417

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So sometimes I'll jump on new project.

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Like I was trying to make a Shopify app this week and I jumped into chat and I workshopped

it in chat.

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And then I was like, Oh, that's all looking good.

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Now what?

421

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And then I go into composer and it didn't seem to share the context of what I was or what

I'd already discussed.

422

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for some reason.

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Balloons!

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I stopped using chat as my first answer.

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was using it and I think I had just started using cursor when they didn't have composer

and like the next week or something they put in composer and it seems to be the future of

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how they're going to use it where it's more, it might be more context to where it's

427

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I'm not going to give a good answer, but basically it seems like the way you should use

composer.

428

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That's, that's the answer.

429

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yeah.

430

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Yeah.

431

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There's, there's something, some reason, but I watched, I watched the, the prime time guy,

the streamer I watch that does discussions about code things and development.

432

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And he kind of did a whole thing on, why to use that.

433

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think, and, I think they might get rid of chat at some point, maybe I'm not really sure,

but.

434

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Okay.

435

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Because like, yeah, like the distinction kind of made sense in my brain of like, I'm going

to go over here and just sort of chat through a problem, but it's not going to make direct

436

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edits to my code.

437

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But then having had that conversation, wanted to then go intuitively, I then wanted to go

to Composer and be like, right, let's implement that now.

438

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And then it's like, I don't know what you're talking about.

439

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okay.

440

00:30:08,257 --> 00:30:12,820

All right, so I just asked GPT to tell me about cursor.

441

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Chat is best used for quick AI assisted coding debugging without switching context.

442

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You get inline explanations, code suggestions, interactive back and forth.

443

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Composer is more structured, good for generating or refactoring larger code blocks.

444

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It's like an AI assisted code editor where you input prompts and it produces a structured

response.

445

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man.

446

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I've seen it described as like, makes sense.

447

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It's like I heard on the VergeCast, they're discussing we've gone along with this idea

that chat is the way to engage with these LLMs because it was like the UI that made sense

448

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in the beginning, but realistically it's like probably not the right fit for a lot of

things.

449

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You know, like it should be something else.

450

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that chat's gonna fade away to some extent in a lot of these tools, I reckon.

451

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Yep, Weeee!

452

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Thank you.

453

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I knew you'd know the answers.

454

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Yeah.

455

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Some.

456

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Anyway, I didn't have any luck building my Shopify app, but I was trying to do it in a

rush.

457

00:31:20,671 --> 00:31:21,591

Great.

458

00:31:23,111 --> 00:31:30,831

Make changes to your Shopify structure in a rush with experimental tools and then walk

away.

459

00:31:31,051 --> 00:31:38,986

Push So I need to sit down and have some consolidated time pondering because I'm excited

to have a crack at it.

460

00:31:38,986 --> 00:31:41,886

It's like it's replacing a $50 a month.

461

00:31:43,190 --> 00:31:47,994

in a store that kind of handles material variants and swatches and stuff.

462

00:31:48,114 --> 00:31:50,696

Like, I'm sure I can work this out.

463

00:31:51,037 --> 00:31:55,581

But more of an evening work weekend project, perhaps.

464

00:31:56,342 --> 00:31:57,457

Yeah.

465

00:31:57,457 --> 00:32:02,321

think is pretty impactful, especially when working in cursor is,

466

00:32:04,165 --> 00:32:12,970

I think you're better at this than I am like I start like a too much like a chat and I

don't give enough Context in the beginning and I think that sets to off down like a

467

00:32:12,970 --> 00:32:23,365

confusing trajectory sometimes for how it answers whereas like if you give it like a

pretty Detailed I want this I don't want that I want it to you know work like this I need

468

00:32:23,365 --> 00:32:29,717

you to use this type of coding and make a pretty extensive first request

469

00:32:30,257 --> 00:32:32,339

or like guidance on how you want to work.

470

00:32:32,339 --> 00:32:35,442

think it does seem to treat that better.

471

00:32:35,442 --> 00:32:36,584

it, yeah.

472

00:32:37,445 --> 00:32:39,496

Cause it's always just looking for the next answer, right?

473

00:32:39,496 --> 00:32:51,556

So it's like, if it has this bigger piece of data to start with, I feel like you get lost

often in the discussion of the like, no, no, I only meant it to be like this.

474

00:32:51,556 --> 00:32:53,914

And then it gets confused and it's like, well, wait.

475

00:32:53,914 --> 00:32:54,906

What did you want to change?

476

00:32:54,906 --> 00:32:57,921

I'm going to just whack them all back and forth answers.

477

00:32:58,709 --> 00:33:10,348

That's what I love so much about dictation and like, because you can give so much more of

that nuanced sort of context, you know, waffling three minutes.

478

00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,666

DUBUDUBUDUBUDUBUDUBUDU

479

00:33:16,711 --> 00:33:18,791

I should use it more and more.

480

00:33:18,791 --> 00:33:22,144

I started using it so much more because of having a baby.

481

00:33:22,144 --> 00:33:30,219

I mean, I've always been a big Siri AirPods user, man, the things like even sitting at my

desk trying to hold a kid.

482

00:33:30,301 --> 00:33:31,711

and get a couple things done.

483

00:33:31,711 --> 00:33:35,221

You just hit the dictation button and talk and keep their hands off the keyboard.

484

00:33:35,221 --> 00:33:38,557

So much easier than trying to...

485

00:33:38,557 --> 00:33:40,231

No, no, don't hit the button.

486

00:33:40,231 --> 00:33:41,512

I know it's shiny.

487

00:33:42,277 --> 00:33:47,797

yeah, I think I've been partly using it way more because I have an office to myself these

days.

488

00:33:48,495 --> 00:33:50,952

That's true, that is a big difference.

489

00:33:50,956 --> 00:34:01,499

I'm not in a shared office as I was a year ago and so I used to be a little bit

self-conscious about like just constantly talking to my computer or phone whereas now I'm

490

00:34:01,499 --> 00:34:10,832

happy to just like waffle away and it's kind of broken my awkwardness about it like

someone can come into the office now and I'll know they see me doing it all the time so

491

00:34:10,832 --> 00:34:17,944

I'll just keep chatting away doing what I do whisper whisper whisper whisper

492

00:34:17,944 --> 00:34:19,224

to my computer.

493

00:34:20,404 --> 00:34:21,904

No, you didn't see anything.

494

00:34:21,941 --> 00:34:23,626

Someone came in.

495

00:34:23,696 --> 00:34:24,235

Someone's here.

496

00:34:24,235 --> 00:34:27,697

just say, did you just call that computer a name?

497

00:34:27,697 --> 00:34:30,311

Like, are you referring to it as a person?

498

00:34:30,531 --> 00:34:31,085

Sometimes.

499

00:34:31,085 --> 00:34:33,152

Depends which agent I'm talking to.

500

00:34:33,619 --> 00:34:36,559

You're just like, I'm talking to my therapist, go away.

501

00:34:36,559 --> 00:34:38,024

Did you see the sign?

502

00:34:41,862 --> 00:34:42,273

I don't know.

503

00:34:42,273 --> 00:34:47,021

Have you noticed any degradation in models these last few weeks?

504

00:34:48,889 --> 00:34:49,696

Yeah, I'm...

505

00:34:49,696 --> 00:34:51,471

had a terrible time this week.

506

00:34:52,972 --> 00:35:00,890

Yeah, yeah, I'm so like, I'm ready to blame it on that, but also I'm like, well, what else

changed?

507

00:35:00,890 --> 00:35:01,862

know, like what else?

508

00:35:01,862 --> 00:35:12,511

Like I've been trying, I was trying to use that circle analysis script in Rhino that I

brought up a while back and it just used to work fine.

509

00:35:12,732 --> 00:35:15,924

And then I went to use it and I got a new error.

510

00:35:17,544 --> 00:35:21,076

In the script that was like the circle, something, something doesn't work.

511

00:35:21,076 --> 00:35:23,537

It's not in the library or something.

512

00:35:24,038 --> 00:35:28,883

So I like, couldn't find where I originally, which, which tool helped me make it.

513

00:35:28,904 --> 00:35:35,678

And so I started a new, new thing with, I think, three mini maybe in, in something.

514

00:35:35,678 --> 00:35:37,868

don't remember where I was in.

515

00:35:38,269 --> 00:35:40,171

And it just couldn't give me answers.

516

00:35:40,171 --> 00:35:42,092

It couldn't solve the problem.

517

00:35:42,092 --> 00:35:45,408

It took 30 different attempts.

518

00:35:45,408 --> 00:35:51,302

of it trying to give me code to fix that one little piece and then it wouldn't find all

the actual holes again.

519

00:35:51,302 --> 00:35:53,024

Like it missed the smallest ones.

520

00:35:53,024 --> 00:35:55,305

And I was like, well, what good is this?

521

00:35:55,305 --> 00:35:58,942

know, like I've got this partially crappy script.

522

00:35:58,942 --> 00:36:08,894

And I suppose that's always the case when you're talking about these tools versus a human

that knows how to write code is they're not gonna just make a partial solution probably

523

00:36:08,894 --> 00:36:10,034

that misses.

524

00:36:10,227 --> 00:36:13,826

one's end of the analysis of your parts, guess.

525

00:36:13,826 --> 00:36:14,412

I don't know.

526

00:36:14,412 --> 00:36:17,043

Just yes, is the short answer.

527

00:36:17,916 --> 00:36:19,816

Yeah, I don't know what happened this week.

528

00:36:19,816 --> 00:36:27,942

just like, cause I use my email writing agent heaps many, many times a day and for, know,

for basically every email I send.

529

00:36:27,942 --> 00:36:31,593

And I just noticed it like starting to really lose context.

530

00:36:31,593 --> 00:36:35,764

So like it's, it's looking at my Gmail, it sees the customer email.

531

00:36:35,764 --> 00:36:41,668

I dictate a response and then it was just doing really wacky stuff like

532

00:36:41,668 --> 00:36:48,981

getting roles reversed of like taking something from the customer's email and then writing

it as if I was saying that.

533

00:36:49,301 --> 00:36:58,245

So getting confused contextually and just putting like starting like some hallucinations,

which is pretty rare for it.

534

00:36:58,245 --> 00:37:00,736

Like, no, I didn't tell you that price.

535

00:37:00,736 --> 00:37:03,457

Like why are you putting pricing in email?

536

00:37:03,457 --> 00:37:05,408

didn't even mention pricing.

537

00:37:06,609 --> 00:37:08,010

Why would you do that?

538

00:37:08,010 --> 00:37:09,312

So there's a lot of cursing.

539

00:37:09,312 --> 00:37:10,696

this them theory?

540

00:37:11,443 --> 00:37:21,141

Yeah, also all three Sim Theory agents, but with various different LLMs, like trying it

across different ones.

541

00:37:22,286 --> 00:37:30,622

I had sent you that I had noticed that it was passing more between threads than I had

expected it to.

542

00:37:30,823 --> 00:37:40,612

Like it had remembered, I don't even remember what the detail was, where I was asking a

question and one of the agents, think it was my Portland CNC agent, and it like gave me

543

00:37:40,612 --> 00:37:44,765

all this context of something that I hadn't explicitly given it, right?

544

00:37:44,765 --> 00:37:48,495

Like I hadn't told it to keep this in memory or whatever its thing is.

545

00:37:48,495 --> 00:37:57,562

And it, shockingly, it was just like, was like, whoa, you remembered I told you that

somehow, someplace, you know, like, I was, I was surprised.

546

00:37:57,562 --> 00:37:59,705

And so I wonder if that also is a...

547

00:38:01,278 --> 00:38:08,770

If it degrades and is remembering things, maybe you didn't want it to, or trying to always

inject itself in a certain way.

548

00:38:08,770 --> 00:38:09,611

I don't know.

549

00:38:09,772 --> 00:38:13,330

Do you ever go through and filter out memories in an agent?

550

00:38:13,330 --> 00:38:18,171

I should I just get I just don't want to spend the time to do it.

551

00:38:18,171 --> 00:38:21,691

I think is what it ends up being Do you do it?

552

00:38:21,691 --> 00:38:23,693

Yeah, I do gardening in there.

553

00:38:23,693 --> 00:38:32,458

Weeding, because sometimes some of the crap that drops in is like, no, don't remember

that.

554

00:38:32,458 --> 00:38:34,429

But there's some great stuff in there as well.

555

00:38:34,429 --> 00:38:36,691

it would add stuff, right?

556

00:38:36,691 --> 00:38:37,973

Yeah, that was cool.

557

00:38:37,973 --> 00:38:41,497

That was cool because you could tell when it was remembering weird things.

558

00:38:41,497 --> 00:38:44,339

But I really like the way they've built memories in SimFury.

559

00:38:44,339 --> 00:38:47,101

think the way it functions is great.

560

00:38:47,101 --> 00:38:54,268

But I do think it's important to go in there and do some gardening from time to time and

just cale and trim things.

561

00:38:54,268 --> 00:38:59,861

But I ended up rewriting all my agent prompts for emails and stuff multiple times and...

562

00:38:59,861 --> 00:39:03,301

I just ended up going back to an old version, to be honest.

563

00:39:03,301 --> 00:39:05,501

I was like, okay, this works.

564

00:39:05,841 --> 00:39:07,917

Let's just stick with this one for now.

565

00:39:09,685 --> 00:39:10,696

Yeah, I don't know.

566

00:39:10,696 --> 00:39:12,297

time on that kind of stuff lately.

567

00:39:12,297 --> 00:39:19,398

Just like throwing stuff at it and wanting it to work and then running away and not trying

to like...

568

00:39:19,398 --> 00:39:21,859

Well, I think I said this forever ago.

569

00:39:21,859 --> 00:39:28,201

I keep having this feeling of like not wanting to invest anything extra into any of these

systems because we keep switching...

570

00:39:28,201 --> 00:39:34,624

I keep switching between which one I want to use based on some new thing.

571

00:39:34,624 --> 00:39:38,748

Something new has come out and it's like, actually GPT is really good now, let me use

that.

572

00:39:38,748 --> 00:39:41,263

try to go back to sim theory and it's, got some new things.

573

00:39:41,263 --> 00:39:46,110

So it's like, you know, it's a sunk, it's not a sunk cost.

574

00:39:46,110 --> 00:39:52,924

I suppose it is a sunk cost and then I, I don't want to sink any extra time into it other

than just give me an answer.

575

00:39:52,924 --> 00:39:54,170

Yeah, yeah, totally.

576

00:39:54,170 --> 00:39:56,721

user needs to start over with AWS configuration.

577

00:39:56,721 --> 00:39:59,533

Yeah, seems accurate.

578

00:39:59,533 --> 00:40:04,015

I've just setting up my little local coding environment for the app.

579

00:40:04,015 --> 00:40:05,655

It's messy.

580

00:40:05,655 --> 00:40:13,088

It is one of the most complicated things that I've encountered to like...

581

00:40:14,858 --> 00:40:23,225

It, it's just like six layers deep of like, have to log in and all these different ways

and do all these different commands and have all these packages installed.

582

00:40:23,225 --> 00:40:26,703

then even when you get it all right, there's still issues.

583

00:40:26,703 --> 00:40:30,050

And you're like, I don't really know what I did or how I got here.

584

00:40:30,498 --> 00:40:37,226

You know, like, yeah, just trying to, it's trying to create a local coding environment.

585

00:40:37,226 --> 00:40:40,779

So you can test stuff that isn't in the actual app.

586

00:40:40,779 --> 00:40:44,672

that breaks my brain even after months of.

587

00:40:45,174 --> 00:40:49,367

figuring out how to do it well and then coming back to it it's like broken and you're

like, what happened?

588

00:40:49,367 --> 00:40:50,729

I don't understand.

589

00:40:54,057 --> 00:40:55,380

Yeah, anyway.

590

00:40:57,646 --> 00:41:02,974

The PS2 was looking good yesterday, driving around.

591

00:41:04,096 --> 00:41:06,879

Rowe was here in the workshop working on it.

592

00:41:07,713 --> 00:41:09,181

yeah, it drives around.

593

00:41:09,583 --> 00:41:10,504

Have you seen it moving?

594

00:41:10,504 --> 00:41:10,864

Did I?

595

00:41:10,864 --> 00:41:12,833

I sent you the test cuts, didn't I?

596

00:41:12,833 --> 00:41:13,183

Okay.

597

00:41:13,183 --> 00:41:13,614

Okay.

598

00:41:13,614 --> 00:41:18,278

I was thinking you meant like it was on a movable robotic base or something.

599

00:41:18,278 --> 00:41:19,266

It's like driving around.

600

00:41:19,266 --> 00:41:20,919

How's it driving around?

601

00:41:21,207 --> 00:41:31,233

around every week actually because Rory lives in Melbourne and takes it home every week in

the front seat of their Celica.

602

00:41:31,453 --> 00:41:36,236

And so I've got this photo of it just strapped in the front seat with the seatbelt on.

603

00:41:36,236 --> 00:41:38,497

But no, it's looking pretty good.

604

00:41:38,497 --> 00:41:46,127

But the steppers that we've put in are proving to be slow, which isn't super critical at

this point or to keep.

605

00:41:46,127 --> 00:41:56,447

testing and get some proper test cuts going, but it is significantly slower than the

ClearPath driven PS1, which is not surprising.

606

00:41:56,447 --> 00:42:01,553

Much cheaper hardware, but, yeah, might end up swapping them out.

607

00:42:02,093 --> 00:42:06,048

is it worth, what's the cost difference just relatively?

608

00:42:06,048 --> 00:42:07,039

I don't even know.

609

00:42:07,039 --> 00:42:14,440

don't know, it's probably like a hundred bucks worth of steppers worth of this is 600

bucks worth of clear paths or something, I don't know.

610

00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:15,366

Off the top of my head.

611

00:42:15,366 --> 00:42:25,933

suppose in a production environment though that money is definitely worth it even for

small, you know, for testing it's what it is but I don't know.

612

00:42:26,107 --> 00:42:26,696

Yeah.

613

00:42:26,696 --> 00:42:27,862

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

614

00:42:30,747 --> 00:42:31,728

We'll see.

615

00:42:33,055 --> 00:42:34,501

Yeah, exactly.

616

00:42:34,501 --> 00:42:36,375

speed of producing things.

617

00:42:36,509 --> 00:42:38,681

Yeah, I do love the ClearPath system.

618

00:42:38,681 --> 00:42:41,332

Whenever I've had to fiddle with it, I'm always impressed.

619

00:42:41,332 --> 00:42:43,255

It's rad.

620

00:42:43,255 --> 00:42:51,091

Yeah, the tuning's a delight and implementation's straightforward and yeah, they've just

ticked a lot of boxes, I think.

621

00:42:52,325 --> 00:42:53,108

Very nice.

622

00:42:53,108 --> 00:42:53,957

Yeah.

623

00:42:55,493 --> 00:42:58,383

What are you working through now?

624

00:42:58,383 --> 00:43:00,722

Design changes, refinement in

625

00:43:00,722 --> 00:43:03,885

Kind of lots of little problems.

626

00:43:03,885 --> 00:43:06,768

I'm sure you're familiar with that stage.

627

00:43:09,104 --> 00:43:21,452

But generally speaking, we're at a point where we're setting up the workspace coordinates

and putting production, its first production code into it so that we can get some actual

628

00:43:21,452 --> 00:43:23,803

production part test cuts going.

629

00:43:24,337 --> 00:43:35,220

and then expecting that we'll find issues with that in terms of rigidity and then starting

to like one step at a time going cool let's replace this assembly with machined aluminium

630

00:43:35,220 --> 00:43:45,225

parts test it again and just kind of work through that until we've got a robust tool

basically

631

00:43:45,225 --> 00:43:46,205

Very cool.

632

00:43:46,987 --> 00:43:57,111

So like you'll have some interface where like different parts will be kind of just ready

to like click start making end cap kind of thing.

633

00:43:57,111 --> 00:43:57,992

Yeah, correct.

634

00:43:57,992 --> 00:43:58,912

That's the idea.

635

00:43:58,912 --> 00:44:03,462

The little CNC controller is just sort of PC desktop driven at the moment.

636

00:44:03,462 --> 00:44:05,074

It's actually a web page.

637

00:44:05,275 --> 00:44:08,966

You go on to its own, it's got its own Wi-Fi network.

638

00:44:08,966 --> 00:44:12,757

You log onto that and you jog and control the machine and drop code onto it from there.

639

00:44:12,757 --> 00:44:14,618

So we'll see.

640

00:44:14,618 --> 00:44:17,559

It's all, yeah, it's all pretty rough and ready at the moment.

641

00:44:17,559 --> 00:44:24,034

But ultimately, yeah, some sort of interface where you can just quickly select between

the, you know, the four different file types and hit go.

642

00:44:24,034 --> 00:44:25,205

It's the aim.

643

00:44:26,344 --> 00:44:27,651

Yeah, that's really cool.

644

00:44:27,674 --> 00:44:28,530

Hmm.

645

00:44:30,586 --> 00:44:31,506

Yeah.

646

00:44:31,552 --> 00:44:33,012

is the dreaded question.

647

00:44:33,012 --> 00:44:34,933

you have like a timeline some.

648

00:44:34,933 --> 00:44:40,666

love to be ready to ship one to the States in three months.

649

00:44:41,524 --> 00:44:42,724

Whoo!

650

00:44:43,132 --> 00:44:44,575

Heard it here first.

651

00:44:48,308 --> 00:44:51,245

If I write it down, it's in gold.

652

00:44:51,245 --> 00:44:52,147

one.

653

00:44:54,608 --> 00:44:56,755

Yep, that's the plan.

654

00:44:58,219 --> 00:45:02,531

Let's see, I'll use my little script to see what that date should be.

655

00:45:03,645 --> 00:45:04,930

Text Expander.

656

00:45:07,150 --> 00:45:08,813

I can see you doing it.

657

00:45:09,157 --> 00:45:13,042

Trying to find the right shortcut in air table.

658

00:45:13,042 --> 00:45:17,987

while I'm talking, I couldn't remember the stupid command and FD.

659

00:45:18,489 --> 00:45:21,636

So three months.

660

00:45:22,075 --> 00:45:24,835

Tuesday, May 13th, 2025.

661

00:45:26,358 --> 00:45:33,913

I've also got ones that will do like only weekdays, which are real nice when you're like

estimating timelines for clients.

662

00:45:34,092 --> 00:45:36,409

You're such a TextExpander pro.

663

00:45:36,975 --> 00:45:44,048

Dude, GPT just, I had so many things where I was like, my God, I wanna make this text

expander snippet.

664

00:45:44,048 --> 00:45:46,549

And like, I couldn't figure out how to do a little coding to make it work.

665

00:45:46,549 --> 00:45:48,481

And it just was like, yep, here you go, this is easy.

666

00:45:48,481 --> 00:45:49,401

You know?

667

00:45:49,481 --> 00:45:54,333

Like, it'd be like the most complicated stuff and it just, it's like nothing for it.

668

00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,284

Do you have a cheat sheet to remember all the shortcuts?

669

00:45:58,284 --> 00:46:01,648

They just, do you find yourself searching?

670

00:46:02,159 --> 00:46:06,205

yeah, I use the search thing to pop up the ones I don't remember.

671

00:46:06,376 --> 00:46:07,687

without it.

672

00:46:07,687 --> 00:46:08,989

Yeah, me neither.

673

00:46:08,989 --> 00:46:10,004

It's awesome.

674

00:46:10,004 --> 00:46:12,462

I can't believe how long it took me to get onto it.

675

00:46:14,451 --> 00:46:15,313

Right.

676

00:46:16,118 --> 00:46:18,966

Speaking of useless tools that you got me onto...

677

00:46:18,966 --> 00:46:21,090

The Raycasts?

678

00:46:21,252 --> 00:46:22,535

What the hell, man?

679

00:46:22,535 --> 00:46:23,747

I don't get it.

680

00:46:24,088 --> 00:46:25,801

You don't like it still?

681

00:46:25,801 --> 00:46:27,663

Nah, don't like it.

682

00:46:28,461 --> 00:46:32,563

I thought you're gonna go, that's great.

683

00:46:32,563 --> 00:46:34,317

No, this stupid.

684

00:46:34,972 --> 00:46:46,559

The one thing I got excited about which I messaged you was like, it can eject all my hard

drives and USBs in one fell swoop every time I go home.

685

00:46:46,807 --> 00:46:48,508

You could pick a little shortcut for it.

686

00:46:48,572 --> 00:46:49,974

But it doesn't work!

687

00:46:50,698 --> 00:46:51,661

Doesn't work!

688

00:46:51,661 --> 00:46:52,674

Nothing happens!

689

00:46:52,674 --> 00:46:57,361

shortcut and then have it run the shortcut.

690

00:46:57,862 --> 00:46:59,575

No, but this shortcut doesn't do anything.

691

00:46:59,575 --> 00:47:03,100

Breakasts did not reject all my disks, as it promised.

692

00:47:03,979 --> 00:47:05,140

I don't want to try that right now.

693

00:47:05,140 --> 00:47:08,468

It does say, just says EJX all disks.

694

00:47:08,468 --> 00:47:09,448

I don't know.

695

00:47:10,329 --> 00:47:24,539

I, a Mac user and I'm not using it to put files onto a drive for the mill, which literally

is the only time in my memory that it matters if you eject the disks.

696

00:47:24,539 --> 00:47:29,321

It will corrupt the stupid USB stick every time or whatever, CF card.

697

00:47:29,321 --> 00:47:34,772

It's the only time I've ever needed to eject this before pulling them out, but otherwise I

just yank everything out.

698

00:47:34,772 --> 00:47:35,483

don't.

699

00:47:35,772 --> 00:47:37,453

Yeah, I yank them all out too.

700

00:47:37,453 --> 00:47:46,261

I just get worried sometimes when I've got like all my, you know, years worth of photos,

my little SSDs next to me every day.

701

00:47:47,779 --> 00:47:48,582

But I'll be the to...

702

00:47:48,582 --> 00:47:50,489

How've you gone on time, boss?

703

00:47:50,489 --> 00:47:51,651

Showmaster?

704

00:47:51,633 --> 00:47:53,577

55 minutes!

705

00:47:54,031 --> 00:47:55,903

god, like it's this.

706

00:47:55,903 --> 00:47:56,343

daddy.

707

00:47:56,343 --> 00:47:57,644

That's not it.

708

00:47:58,500 --> 00:48:00,426

I thought it was P.

709

00:48:00,977 --> 00:48:02,378

god, where did it go?

710

00:48:02,775 --> 00:48:04,316

here it is.

711

00:48:04,316 --> 00:48:05,377

And now it's profit time.

712

00:48:05,377 --> 00:48:10,165

I'm gonna have to make that P slide over.

713

00:48:10,165 --> 00:48:11,026

for profit.

714

00:48:11,026 --> 00:48:12,145

I looked away for a second.

715

00:48:12,145 --> 00:48:15,248

I looked back and your head was huge looking for buttons.

716

00:48:15,248 --> 00:48:22,331

We've finally rejigged our spreadsheet.

717

00:48:22,831 --> 00:48:27,694

Made a 2025 version and Laura did all of it.

718

00:48:27,694 --> 00:48:29,316

I had little involvement.

719

00:48:29,316 --> 00:48:33,402

Laura went into mad spreadsheet mode last week.

720

00:48:33,402 --> 00:48:35,053

this week and fixed.

721

00:48:35,053 --> 00:48:38,325

We found a whole bunch of errors, interestingly.

722

00:48:38,325 --> 00:48:47,785

I had somehow undercooked payroll last year in terms of what it was allocating for payroll

was under by a fair bit.

723

00:48:47,785 --> 00:48:48,573

It was weird.

724

00:48:48,573 --> 00:48:49,373

I don't know how I did it.

725

00:48:49,373 --> 00:48:58,427

Like I had people's salaries in there correctly, but somehow in my calcs I'd stuffed it up

and also materials were way under and so like

726

00:48:58,761 --> 00:49:05,130

Yeah, she's reconfigured it all so to reflect more accurately on our last 12 months of

trading.

727

00:49:05,130 --> 00:49:09,695

But what she's also done is made certain accounts fixed, so like payroll.

728

00:49:10,132 --> 00:49:12,192

specifically is like a fixed distribution.

729

00:49:12,192 --> 00:49:18,032

We know how much payroll is every fortnight, so that's no longer percentage based.

730

00:49:19,752 --> 00:49:29,832

So I was weird doing the first distribution in the new system on Monday of like, oh wow,

materials is huge and payrolls, you know, because we had such a good week of sales last

731

00:49:29,832 --> 00:49:33,972

week, I was distributing like 30k in one hit, which is unusually big.

732

00:49:34,832 --> 00:49:38,028

And I was like, wow, materials is like,

733

00:49:38,028 --> 00:49:40,928

coming through at almost 50 % of this.

734

00:49:40,928 --> 00:49:42,488

That seems high.

735

00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:48,560

it's because of that sort of imbalanced some fixed distribution, some percentage based.

736

00:49:48,820 --> 00:49:51,860

So it's all balancing out, but yeah, exciting.

737

00:49:53,740 --> 00:50:00,960

And, you know, some regrets of not having done it myself, but awesome to have had Laura do

it.

738

00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,160

She's very good at that stuff.

739

00:50:04,059 --> 00:50:11,605

She's a closet accountant and very good at spreadsheet formulas and she enjoys it.

740

00:50:11,605 --> 00:50:24,365

so, it's kind of also kind of marks the point of putting Laura back on payroll officially

in the company, which is exciting because it's been bloody, I don't know.

741

00:50:24,365 --> 00:50:28,685

I don't even know how many years, could be 10 years since Laura was on payroll.

742

00:50:29,745 --> 00:50:32,685

So maybe, yeah, could be back to plasma days.

743

00:50:33,059 --> 00:50:33,669

Cool.

744

00:50:33,669 --> 00:50:38,014

you know, she's always been heavily involved, now she's, you day a week.

745

00:50:38,335 --> 00:50:42,238

Day and a half a week, yeah, she's getting paid for it again, which is good.

746

00:50:43,453 --> 00:50:52,013

That's Erin's always she's always like, am going to get paid paid for working paid for

doing something when I always like teaser about like you should come come do something for

747

00:50:52,013 --> 00:50:52,611

us.

748

00:50:52,611 --> 00:50:53,253

Yeah.

749

00:50:53,253 --> 00:50:54,945

So that's been good.

750

00:50:55,515 --> 00:50:56,420

That is all really.

751

00:50:56,420 --> 00:51:13,079

that, what I realized is I took your sheet and lightly modified like two pages and I have

no good nexus for like, keep track of what the distributions are, but I really need to

752

00:51:13,079 --> 00:51:14,239

rework it.

753

00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:21,213

And I realized that probably should just make an agent in SIM theory for this.

754

00:51:21,213 --> 00:51:23,130

We have six seconds.

755

00:51:23,130 --> 00:51:24,068

We gotta go!