1 00:00:03,705 --> 00:00:07,145 Intro: Hey folks, it's Marvin Cash, the host of the Articulate Fly. 2 00:00:08,345 --> 00:00:12,005 Intro: On this episode, I'm joined by Pennsylvania young gun, Brendan Roosh. 3 00:00:12,425 --> 00:00:17,465 Intro: We talk pre-spawn smallmouth, tying predator flies, and his newly launched guide 4 00:00:17,465 --> 00:00:19,125 Intro: company, Roosh Angling. 5 00:00:19,285 --> 00:00:22,505 Intro: I think you're really going to enjoy this one, but before we get to interview, 6 00:00:22,705 --> 00:00:24,165 Intro: just a couple of housekeeping items. 7 00:00:24,445 --> 00:00:28,945 Intro: If you like the podcast, please tell a friend and please subscribe and leave 8 00:00:28,945 --> 00:00:32,565 Intro: us a rating and reviewing the podcatcher of your choice. It really helps us out. 9 00:00:33,385 --> 00:00:36,605 Intro: And we're excited to partner with our friends at Jesse Brown's to bring the 10 00:00:36,605 --> 00:00:38,985 Intro: Chocolate Factory to Charlotte on May 4th. 11 00:00:39,405 --> 00:00:43,205 Intro: Blaine will be teaching private tying classes, discussing predator and prey, 12 00:00:43,445 --> 00:00:46,045 Intro: and sharing his favorite rod, reel, and line combos. 13 00:00:46,525 --> 00:00:48,865 Intro: Check out the link in the show notes for more details. 14 00:00:50,085 --> 00:00:51,545 Intro: Now, on to the interview. 15 00:00:52,905 --> 00:00:55,005 Marvin: Well, Brendan, welcome to the Articulate Fly. 16 00:00:56,605 --> 00:00:58,985 Brendan: Thanks for having me. Excited to be here. year yeah. 17 00:00:58,985 --> 00:01:01,805 Marvin: I'm really looking forward to our conversation and we have a tradition on the 18 00:01:01,805 --> 00:01:06,285 Marvin: articulate fly we like to ask all of our guests to share their earliest fishing memory. 19 00:01:06,285 --> 00:01:12,325 Brendan: Uh there are so many memories i was trying to think about this earlier today 20 00:01:12,325 --> 00:01:19,245 Brendan: um but basically just being on a reservoir with my dad throwing texas rigged 21 00:01:19,245 --> 00:01:20,765 Brendan: soft plastics at lily pads heads, 22 00:01:20,765 --> 00:01:23,885 Brendan: catching large mouth bass. 23 00:01:25,705 --> 00:01:32,245 Brendan: My favorite memory from that era would be catching a very, very large fish on 24 00:01:32,245 --> 00:01:35,065 Brendan: a top water frog and being heartbroken that he wouldn't let me keep it. 25 00:01:37,945 --> 00:01:40,965 Brendan: Which, you know, today I totally understand why and I respect that decision. 26 00:01:41,145 --> 00:01:43,365 Brendan: But man, I was pretty, pretty annoyed in the moment. 27 00:01:44,085 --> 00:01:47,905 Marvin: Yeah. So before we go down the fly path, you know, what's your favorite color 28 00:01:47,905 --> 00:01:49,625 Marvin: worm and what's your favorite color lizard? 29 00:01:51,786 --> 00:01:54,986 Brendan: Hey, uh, for the worm, I think we were fishing a lot of, uh, 30 00:01:55,146 --> 00:01:57,466 Brendan: I was grabbing the black and purple power worm. 31 00:01:59,166 --> 00:02:02,646 Brendan: Then the lizard, I believe was pumpkin seed with a chartreuse tail. 32 00:02:02,886 --> 00:02:05,806 Marvin: Yeah. Well, there you go. And so that's a really great segue into, 33 00:02:05,986 --> 00:02:07,466 Marvin: you know, when did you start fly fishing? 34 00:02:09,186 --> 00:02:13,266 Brendan: Uh, fly fishing came pretty late to me because no one in my family fly fish. 35 00:02:13,506 --> 00:02:18,626 Brendan: So, uh, I had a pretty good foundation fishing for large mouth and some trout 36 00:02:18,626 --> 00:02:23,326 Brendan: fishing, but But I started fly fishing senior year of high school. 37 00:02:24,366 --> 00:02:29,306 Brendan: And it's only because I was getting outfished by fly fishermen on a trout stream in northeast VA. 38 00:02:30,586 --> 00:02:31,926 Brendan: So it was out of necessity. 39 00:02:32,446 --> 00:02:36,306 Marvin: Yeah, so the power bait and the spinners weren't getting it done? 40 00:02:37,446 --> 00:02:40,766 Brendan: Yeah, those little jerk baits just weren't getting it done like those pheasant tails were. 41 00:02:42,866 --> 00:02:46,506 Marvin: And so, of course, it's obviously been kind of downhill from there. 42 00:02:46,506 --> 00:02:49,606 Marvin: So kind of who are some folks that have mentored you on your fly fishing journey? 43 00:02:49,706 --> 00:02:50,366 Marvin: What have they taught you? 44 00:02:52,606 --> 00:02:58,546 Brendan: There are a lot of people. Pretty much all of them are tied in with TCO one way or another. 45 00:02:58,746 --> 00:03:06,106 Brendan: But John Parisi, Lenny Gliwa of TCO Bryn Mawr, that's where I got my start of 46 00:03:06,106 --> 00:03:07,186 Brendan: my obsession in fly fishing. 47 00:03:07,366 --> 00:03:09,526 Brendan: I got a job there like 2016. 48 00:03:11,166 --> 00:03:14,926 Brendan: So they really got me dialed in on the trout stuff. We traveled a lot together 49 00:03:14,926 --> 00:03:20,446 Brendan: in the state, but, you know, driving a few hours here and there on kind of like suicide run day trips. 50 00:03:21,626 --> 00:03:27,106 Brendan: And then when it came to bass, it was it was Jake Golok kind of showed me the 51 00:03:27,106 --> 00:03:32,346 Brendan: light that I could I could do what I loved, you know, as a kid, but with a fly. 52 00:03:34,487 --> 00:03:37,947 Marvin: Yeah, that's pretty cool. And so when did you, you know, I imagine you probably 53 00:03:37,947 --> 00:03:40,647 Marvin: kind of started out at TCO as a shop rat, right? 54 00:03:41,347 --> 00:03:44,387 Marvin: Oh, yeah. And then, so when did you get the guide bug? 55 00:03:47,247 --> 00:03:51,567 Brendan: Jake started to get busy enough to hire another guide. 56 00:03:51,807 --> 00:03:56,767 Brendan: And it was right around maybe like my second year of employment there. 57 00:03:56,767 --> 00:04:00,907 Brendan: There, he, we started kind of like float or he, he floated the idea past me 58 00:04:00,907 --> 00:04:06,607 Brendan: and, uh, I bought a raft, started fishing, like you're floating every chance 59 00:04:06,607 --> 00:04:10,887 Brendan: I could with, you know, guys from the shop, uh, from all four stores really. 60 00:04:11,027 --> 00:04:18,387 Brendan: And, um, yeah, I mean, he, he brought me on and just kind of let me loose once he felt comfortable. 61 00:04:18,767 --> 00:04:21,967 Marvin: Yeah. It's pretty interesting. We've had him on the podcast probably about the 62 00:04:21,967 --> 00:04:25,067 Marvin: time, I guess his small mouth, you know, fly book came out and, 63 00:04:25,087 --> 00:04:30,907 Marvin: you know, was interesting kind of how he was able to really kind of scale relentless yeah. 64 00:04:30,907 --> 00:04:36,107 Brendan: It's there are so many uh you know guides under the relentless umbrella it's 65 00:04:36,107 --> 00:04:39,567 Brendan: uh it's very very impressive and i had a great time working for those guys. 66 00:04:39,567 --> 00:04:42,827 Marvin: Yeah it's interesting too because i guess uh naguski is under that umbrella 67 00:04:42,827 --> 00:04:47,427 Marvin: too he's been on and uh as a matter of fact i think i met him when i met you 68 00:04:47,427 --> 00:04:52,687 Marvin: at the probably the last fly tying symposium before covid right oh. 69 00:04:52,687 --> 00:04:53,407 Brendan: Right yeah yeah. 70 00:04:53,407 --> 00:04:58,607 Marvin: Um the It was a good time. Yeah, it wasn't. Absolutely, it was a good time and a simpler time. 71 00:05:00,927 --> 00:05:04,347 Marvin: And, you know, so obviously I imagine Jake was influential. But, 72 00:05:04,447 --> 00:05:06,947 Marvin: you know, who are some of the other folks that have kind of mentored you on 73 00:05:06,947 --> 00:05:08,507 Marvin: your guide journey? And what do they teach you? 74 00:05:11,207 --> 00:05:14,527 Brendan: So there are a lot of guides that work with TCO. 75 00:05:14,887 --> 00:05:19,867 Brendan: And there was one in particular named Sam Galt that, I mean, 76 00:05:19,887 --> 00:05:22,607 Brendan: he's been guiding for Trout in the state college area for years. 77 00:05:23,367 --> 00:05:28,027 Brendan: And I was very nervous accepting money to take people fishing, 78 00:05:28,147 --> 00:05:29,927 Brendan: especially like, you know, the first year. 79 00:05:30,487 --> 00:05:37,047 Brendan: Um, and he, he kind of calmed me down and, uh, you know, he just, he told me, 80 00:05:38,267 --> 00:05:41,527 Brendan: what, what the people expect, which I think is just to go out, 81 00:05:41,587 --> 00:05:46,187 Brendan: have a good time, uh, and hopefully take something away from the day. 82 00:05:46,207 --> 00:05:49,427 Brendan: You know, if it's not fish, it's going to be new tactics or, 83 00:05:49,507 --> 00:05:51,207 Brendan: you know, some bad jokes or something. 84 00:05:52,822 --> 00:05:54,322 Marvin: I like your jokes, actually. 85 00:05:56,442 --> 00:05:57,642 Brendan: Sometimes they're pretty rough. 86 00:05:57,942 --> 00:06:01,822 Marvin: It's okay. That's why this is a family show and we took some questions out. 87 00:06:01,942 --> 00:06:08,022 Marvin: But anybody else that's kind of helped either steer you from a technical perspective 88 00:06:08,022 --> 00:06:11,462 Marvin: or, you know, kind of what you were talking about earlier, kind of that kind 89 00:06:11,462 --> 00:06:13,842 Marvin: of people skill, that expectation part of guiding? 90 00:06:15,022 --> 00:06:18,222 Brendan: Um yeah i mean from the technical aspects like fishing 91 00:06:18,222 --> 00:06:21,082 Brendan: with jake uh you know on the waters that we 92 00:06:21,082 --> 00:06:24,442 Brendan: we got it on or we got on still um that 93 00:06:24,442 --> 00:06:27,442 Brendan: was critical uh and then i traveled out 94 00:06:27,442 --> 00:06:31,222 Brendan: to michigan with jake back in 2018 to fish 95 00:06:31,222 --> 00:06:36,982 Brendan: with mike schultz justin kerbanek and james hughes and i don't think i've looked 96 00:06:36,982 --> 00:06:42,222 Brendan: at smallmouth fishing the same since that trip i learned a ton of tactics from 97 00:06:42,222 --> 00:06:48,002 Brendan: you Got a little piece of the pie put together from three of those guys. 98 00:06:48,502 --> 00:06:54,602 Brendan: And yeah, I mean, the swim fly game out there and the way they use those flies 99 00:06:54,602 --> 00:06:59,842 Brendan: to basically imitate lures that I was familiar with growing up. 100 00:07:01,442 --> 00:07:06,722 Brendan: Yeah, I mean, it's an invaluable skill to have on the water. 101 00:07:07,522 --> 00:07:10,702 Marvin: Yeah, you know, it's interesting because, I mean, I've kind of noticed that, 102 00:07:10,702 --> 00:07:16,102 Marvin: you know, however you want to kind of brand them, the most successful people 103 00:07:16,102 --> 00:07:22,142 Marvin: in our sport are, let's just say ambidextrous, right? They fish gear and they fish fly. 104 00:07:23,242 --> 00:07:28,462 Marvin: And, you know, it's amazing because I know, you know, Blaine certainly does that. 105 00:07:28,562 --> 00:07:34,362 Marvin: George Daniel does that. And I think that insight about fish behavior and how 106 00:07:34,362 --> 00:07:38,742 Marvin: to catch them on gear and on bait, you know, really can make you a killer, 107 00:07:38,762 --> 00:07:40,262 Marvin: you know, fly fishing angler. 108 00:07:41,722 --> 00:07:48,182 Brendan: Yeah, I think specifically for presentations that require like a proper retrieve 109 00:07:48,182 --> 00:07:51,022 Brendan: and you're fishing a fly as opposed to drifting. 110 00:07:52,682 --> 00:07:57,742 Brendan: So like dry fly fishing, then fishing, maybe not learning a ton from gear fishing. 111 00:07:58,542 --> 00:08:01,922 Brendan: But when you're working a lure or retrieving a fly... 112 00:08:04,205 --> 00:08:07,305 Brendan: You know what's successful on the lure and over time you learn what's successful 113 00:08:07,305 --> 00:08:13,825 Brendan: on the fly by fish input but um you're able to emulate lures like pretty successfully 114 00:08:13,825 --> 00:08:17,025 Brendan: other than maybe like true bottom bouncing just because you're going to get 115 00:08:17,025 --> 00:08:18,005 Brendan: hung up a lot more with a fly. 116 00:08:19,465 --> 00:08:22,245 Marvin: Yeah it's interesting too because i mean you know we were 117 00:08:22,245 --> 00:08:25,085 Marvin: both up in uh up in michigan for bob in the hood and 118 00:08:25,085 --> 00:08:28,385 Marvin: i had never i'd been around mike but i hadn't kind of been in his shop and kind 119 00:08:28,385 --> 00:08:33,605 Marvin: of seen the vibe there and i got to tell you that is an amazing operation that 120 00:08:33,605 --> 00:08:39,465 Marvin: he's got with some incredibly um you know knowledgeable faithful and really 121 00:08:39,465 --> 00:08:42,545 Marvin: just kind of great guys in the shop in terms of fishing gear and not gear. 122 00:08:42,545 --> 00:08:45,385 Brendan: Yeah i was talking to 123 00:08:45,385 --> 00:08:49,525 Brendan: someone about this recently um but they were like yeah man like the guys at 124 00:08:49,525 --> 00:08:54,685 Brendan: mike's shop are always like super helpful and super knowledgeable and like he's 125 00:08:54,685 --> 00:08:58,925 Brendan: been lucky enough to find guys that are sick for fishing like they're obsessed 126 00:08:58,925 --> 00:09:01,225 Brendan: with it and some shops you know 127 00:09:01,225 --> 00:09:04,465 Brendan: you have guys that are very personable but maybe not the techiest guys, 128 00:09:05,225 --> 00:09:11,285 Brendan: um but yeah i mean they they've got a guy that does every kind of fishing you 129 00:09:11,285 --> 00:09:15,625 Brendan: know available in the midwest and uh they're they're all pretty darn good at it yeah. 130 00:09:15,625 --> 00:09:20,725 Marvin: Or you could walk into a fly shop in Montana in like middle of late September 131 00:09:20,725 --> 00:09:22,785 Marvin: and basically have people super burned out. 132 00:09:24,225 --> 00:09:25,045 Brendan: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 133 00:09:26,365 --> 00:09:30,625 Marvin: I've walked into that buzzsaw before, you know, so you've, I mean, 134 00:09:30,645 --> 00:09:33,005 Marvin: yeah, it's just, they don't even care about fishing at that point anymore. 135 00:09:33,985 --> 00:09:38,465 Marvin: Right. The, but, you know, so tell me a little bit about, you know, 136 00:09:38,505 --> 00:09:41,225 Marvin: kind of as you've kind of worked on your guide chops, you know, 137 00:09:41,225 --> 00:09:43,805 Marvin: what do you think is the secret to being a good guide, Brendan? 138 00:09:45,885 --> 00:09:48,705 Brendan: I think it's being malleable and 139 00:09:48,705 --> 00:09:54,905 Brendan: trying to be, you know, what the client wants you to be in that moment. 140 00:09:55,085 --> 00:09:58,965 Brendan: I mean, especially when you're dealing with people that you've never met before, 141 00:09:59,065 --> 00:10:02,205 Brendan: or maybe you've only chatted with on the phone briefly. 142 00:10:02,205 --> 00:10:07,965 Brendan: Like from a personal standpoint like you know it's essentially, 143 00:10:09,605 --> 00:10:18,605 Brendan: you know you're in customer service from the customer side and the fishing is separate in my opinion, 144 00:10:19,665 --> 00:10:24,705 Brendan: same kind of thing with the shop like you can be a great shop guy but maybe 145 00:10:24,705 --> 00:10:27,265 Brendan: defer questions to other people when it gets too technical, 146 00:10:28,345 --> 00:10:31,425 Brendan: if you can be good at both I think that's what makes a great guide, 147 00:10:33,265 --> 00:10:33,925 Brendan: Got it. 148 00:10:33,945 --> 00:10:38,345 Marvin: And do you have a type of angler that you really, really like? 149 00:10:38,365 --> 00:10:40,905 Marvin: I know you like, you know, you like to fish with everybody. 150 00:10:40,965 --> 00:10:45,145 Marvin: But I mean, is there a particular type of angler that you like to get in your 151 00:10:45,145 --> 00:10:48,005 Marvin: boat that you're like, this is going to be an exceptionally special day? 152 00:10:48,085 --> 00:10:51,645 Marvin: Like, you know, I know some people like to teach. Some people like teaching kids. 153 00:10:51,805 --> 00:10:56,065 Marvin: You know, is there anything like that that, you know, really gets you stoked for a day out? 154 00:10:58,618 --> 00:11:03,518 Brendan: Uh, besides someone that is like down to learn and hunt big fish. 155 00:11:03,638 --> 00:11:09,018 Brendan: I mean, like if, if I have a father son trip, that is going to be the best possible day. 156 00:11:09,138 --> 00:11:13,758 Brendan: Like it just, it reminds me of, you know, being a kid fishing with my dad and 157 00:11:13,758 --> 00:11:17,198 Brendan: fishing my grandfather and, uh, being a part of someone else's memories, 158 00:11:17,378 --> 00:11:19,118 Brendan: you know, it's pretty special. 159 00:11:19,458 --> 00:11:22,458 Marvin: Yeah. That's super cool. And so what do you think? I always ask guides this 160 00:11:22,458 --> 00:11:25,438 Marvin: question too, you know, what do you think is the biggest misconception people 161 00:11:25,438 --> 00:11:27,498 Marvin: have about the life of a fishing guide? Yeah. 162 00:11:28,758 --> 00:11:33,178 Brendan: I think it varies for a lot of people, but, uh, you know, if you're, 163 00:11:33,178 --> 00:11:38,138 Brendan: you're single, single income, you know, it can be kind of a little challenging in the off season. 164 00:11:40,198 --> 00:11:42,318 Brendan: Um, especially if you're, you know, if you're not going to like, 165 00:11:42,378 --> 00:11:44,358 Brendan: I'm lucky enough where I can muskie fish in the off season. 166 00:11:44,898 --> 00:11:47,698 Brendan: I'm going to be doing some, some guiding here this coming year. 167 00:11:47,818 --> 00:11:51,838 Brendan: But, uh, yeah, I think finding something to occupy your time in the off season, 168 00:11:51,978 --> 00:11:57,258 Brendan: whether it be, you know, a side job or a different hobby, it's pretty important. 169 00:11:57,258 --> 00:11:59,638 Brendan: And they don't go stir crazy. 170 00:12:00,458 --> 00:12:03,718 Marvin: Yeah, and so it's kind of funny, and we talked about this a little bit at the 171 00:12:03,718 --> 00:12:05,118 Marvin: beginning of the interview, you know. 172 00:12:05,898 --> 00:12:08,918 Marvin: I mean, you know, people, I think, when they think about, like, 173 00:12:08,918 --> 00:12:12,078 Marvin: central PA, they think probably trout first and not smallmouth, 174 00:12:12,218 --> 00:12:14,958 Marvin: and, you know, you predominantly guide for smallmouth. 175 00:12:15,038 --> 00:12:17,818 Marvin: You know, what kind of attracted you to them over trout? 176 00:12:19,818 --> 00:12:26,258 Brendan: It's all about retrieving flies and fooling fish and watching them come in and 177 00:12:26,258 --> 00:12:31,618 Brendan: just, like, If a fish is coming in kind of lazy and making it convert into an 178 00:12:31,618 --> 00:12:34,058 Brendan: eat, that's really, really cool. 179 00:12:36,998 --> 00:12:40,458 Brendan: Smallmouth provide chances for savage eats in the springtime. 180 00:12:41,638 --> 00:12:44,338 Brendan: But you can get some sick eats in the summertime, subsurface too. 181 00:12:44,618 --> 00:12:47,958 Brendan: But then in the summer, you can fish poppers aggressively. 182 00:12:48,598 --> 00:12:53,578 Brendan: Watch them crush a popper or a whopper plopper if you're savvy. 183 00:12:53,578 --> 00:12:58,898 Brendan: Savvy, but they'll also sip... The biggest fish in the river is going to sip 184 00:12:58,898 --> 00:13:02,278 Brendan: a cork bug or a foam like Mr. Wiggly or something. 185 00:13:03,758 --> 00:13:05,238 Brendan: For me, it's all about, 186 00:13:07,410 --> 00:13:13,030 Brendan: being able to actively retrieve the fly and you're just a huge part of why that fish is eating. 187 00:13:14,510 --> 00:13:18,490 Marvin: Yeah it's interesting i mean the uh kind of the summer bug thing i mean it's 188 00:13:18,490 --> 00:13:22,350 Marvin: insanely frustrating to watch those guys skate for like six or eight feet behind 189 00:13:22,350 --> 00:13:29,130 Marvin: a popper um and uh you twitch it and then they disappear which is kind of a bummer right yeah. 190 00:13:29,130 --> 00:13:33,530 Brendan: Yeah and you could twitch it and have the fish do a 180 after it turns around 191 00:13:33,530 --> 00:13:36,350 Brendan: or you could have a you you know, a fish spook off of it. 192 00:13:36,510 --> 00:13:40,750 Brendan: I think that's kind of the cool thing about, about summer is like each fish 193 00:13:40,750 --> 00:13:44,030 Brendan: shows its individual personality when you're bug fishing. 194 00:13:44,610 --> 00:13:47,910 Marvin: Yeah. It's, it's interesting. Cause you know, kind of where I grew up kind of 195 00:13:47,910 --> 00:13:50,270 Marvin: fishing the James and the Maury and places like that. 196 00:13:50,410 --> 00:13:54,490 Marvin: It's, um, that heat is just so brutal, you know, and I have people kind of, 197 00:13:54,490 --> 00:13:57,010 Marvin: you know, up in the mountains or maybe up where you are, they tell me that it's 198 00:13:57,010 --> 00:14:00,650 Marvin: not as humid and hot, but you know, I always say, you know, So in July and August, 199 00:14:00,870 --> 00:14:02,810 Marvin: you're not in the shade and the fish are. 200 00:14:04,650 --> 00:14:05,530 Brendan: Yeah, exactly. 201 00:14:05,750 --> 00:14:10,450 Marvin: And it makes, you know, 95 degrees and high humidity makes for a pretty grim 202 00:14:10,450 --> 00:14:13,130 Marvin: outing. But yeah, it's good stuff. 203 00:14:13,350 --> 00:14:15,870 Marvin: And, you know, it's interesting, too, because we were talking before we started 204 00:14:15,870 --> 00:14:20,430 Marvin: recording, Brendan, about kind of the regional differences in smallmouth fisheries. 205 00:14:20,470 --> 00:14:23,750 Marvin: Like I know, you know, the timber creates a certain element, 206 00:14:24,010 --> 00:14:26,230 Marvin: you know, in Michigan, for example. 207 00:14:26,230 --> 00:14:30,810 Marvin: You know, their seasonal differences, you know, based on how far north or south 208 00:14:30,810 --> 00:14:33,670 Marvin: you are and kind of how big your water is, 209 00:14:33,810 --> 00:14:37,810 Marvin: you know, how do you, you know, what do you see, I guess, in Pennsylvania that 210 00:14:37,810 --> 00:14:41,270 Marvin: makes your smallmouth fisheries different than, say, Michigan and other places in the country? 211 00:14:43,330 --> 00:14:51,810 Brendan: I think the lack of dams in the South Central PA region, like wood moves around a lot. 212 00:14:52,310 --> 00:14:59,750 Brendan: We have a ton of ledges on every body of water I fish, some more than others, depending on the float. 213 00:15:00,390 --> 00:15:05,010 Brendan: But you have bottom structure that's going to hold fish from bank to bank. 214 00:15:05,270 --> 00:15:08,070 Brendan: Like some people go out there and pound the banks. you 215 00:15:08,070 --> 00:15:11,190 Brendan: can go out there you can fish left bank middle 216 00:15:11,190 --> 00:15:14,830 Brendan: sometimes you know the other bank's going to be good too but um 217 00:15:14,830 --> 00:15:18,010 Brendan: the fish are going to be very spread out because there 218 00:15:18,010 --> 00:15:20,970 Brendan: is structure almost everywhere in a 219 00:15:20,970 --> 00:15:26,790 Brendan: lot of places they're on a lot of floats um so yeah learning learning those 220 00:15:26,790 --> 00:15:31,510 Brendan: leggy sections during low water seasons is is crucial um because then you can 221 00:15:31,510 --> 00:15:35,710 Brendan: hit those spots when you know the water's high and green and still be productive 222 00:15:35,710 --> 00:15:38,930 Brendan: when they're not on the banks or per se yeah. 223 00:15:38,930 --> 00:15:42,070 Marvin: Got it and you know it's interesting too because i think we're kind of really 224 00:15:42,070 --> 00:15:45,570 Marvin: kind of in the thick of pre-spawn smallmouth fishing here kind of in the mid-atlantic 225 00:15:45,570 --> 00:15:49,450 Marvin: and i was kind of curious if you could uh if i could pry a couple tips for you 226 00:15:49,450 --> 00:15:53,330 Marvin: to share with our listeners about how to be successful during this time of the year on the water. 227 00:15:55,628 --> 00:16:00,288 Brendan: Yeah, I think the most common mistake I see this time of year from people coming 228 00:16:00,288 --> 00:16:09,708 Brendan: on the boat, and it could be friends, fellow industry guys, the fly has to kick, maybe kick twice, 229 00:16:10,268 --> 00:16:16,328 Brendan: and then pause long enough for those fish to want to move out of their lie and eat it. 230 00:16:17,968 --> 00:16:22,308 Brendan: We haven't really hit over 52-degree water temps yet. 231 00:16:22,908 --> 00:16:29,508 Brendan: Um so like fishing has got to be slow right now and when i have a guy that can 232 00:16:29,508 --> 00:16:36,848 Brendan: really dial in like rod tip movements or even like an aggressive upstream mend into his presentation, 233 00:16:38,008 --> 00:16:43,408 Brendan: usually that's when i we're gonna have the most success that day got. 234 00:16:43,408 --> 00:16:46,568 Marvin: It so it's almost uh you know the fish are kind of sluggish and so you kind 235 00:16:46,568 --> 00:16:50,088 Marvin: of have to kind of bonk them on the nose a little bit and kind of um piss them 236 00:16:50,088 --> 00:16:51,088 Marvin: off to get them to eat i guess. 237 00:16:51,088 --> 00:16:54,308 Brendan: Yeah i mean it's it's 238 00:16:54,308 --> 00:16:58,568 Brendan: kind of just like imitating a wounded fish it's gonna kick side to side and 239 00:16:58,568 --> 00:17:03,388 Brendan: then right now we're fishing a lot of like circus peanuts um personally i'm 240 00:17:03,388 --> 00:17:07,748 Brendan: fishing if i'm going out right now i'm fishing a leggy boy every time because 241 00:17:07,748 --> 00:17:13,588 Brendan: i think that's kind of filled the circus peanut um role in my fly arsenal, 242 00:17:13,728 --> 00:17:19,308 Brendan: but you're able to fish that fly as fast as you want or as slow as you want. 243 00:17:19,408 --> 00:17:24,608 Brendan: And if you add enough legs to offset the weight in the fly, that thing's going 244 00:17:24,608 --> 00:17:27,788 Brendan: to glide, hover, and then start to drop real slow. 245 00:17:28,448 --> 00:17:33,068 Brendan: But it's always going to stay where you want it to stay as long as you give it slack or tension. 246 00:17:34,888 --> 00:17:38,428 Marvin: Got it. I was getting ready to say. So really the attraction for that fly is 247 00:17:38,428 --> 00:17:40,668 Marvin: really the ability to kind of hang it or suspend it. 248 00:17:42,710 --> 00:17:49,570 Brendan: Yeah yeah yeah definitely like an unweighted changer and a sinking line isn't 249 00:17:49,570 --> 00:17:55,170 Brendan: going to get you the same results that you can get with an intermediate line and a weighted fly that, 250 00:17:56,130 --> 00:17:59,010 Brendan: it's weighted but there's so much drag from 251 00:17:59,010 --> 00:18:03,850 Brendan: the legs and the brush head and you know if you tie the the body pretty dense 252 00:18:03,850 --> 00:18:08,290 Brendan: with the feathers like you can make that fly hang there and that's when they're 253 00:18:08,290 --> 00:18:10,650 Brendan: going to swim through at this time of year like they they don't want to see 254 00:18:10,650 --> 00:18:15,390 Brendan: that thing diving to the bottom uh or being stripped you know perpendicular 255 00:18:15,390 --> 00:18:18,530 Brendan: from the bank or something like that got. 256 00:18:18,530 --> 00:18:21,770 Marvin: It and for people that i guess aren't familiar with the leggy boy i guess kind 257 00:18:21,770 --> 00:18:24,990 Marvin: of the i guess the way i kind of think about it is it's kind of like a feather 258 00:18:24,990 --> 00:18:26,410 Marvin: changer with a bunch of legs on it. 259 00:18:26,410 --> 00:18:35,950 Brendan: Yeah totally yeah um so i i fish them with like a pretty long stiff marabou tail tail. 260 00:18:36,750 --> 00:18:41,330 Brendan: Um, so if I can find marabou feathers, like maybe like the, you know, 261 00:18:41,330 --> 00:18:46,150 Brendan: short stubby ones, um, still like uniform and good quality, but they have a 262 00:18:46,150 --> 00:18:48,950 Brendan: little bit thicker, um, like vein or stem. 263 00:18:50,090 --> 00:18:56,490 Brendan: Um, so I'll tie four of those in and that allows the tail to whip a little bit 264 00:18:56,490 --> 00:19:00,370 Brendan: more like rooster tail, but still swim and undulate on those long pauses. 265 00:19:01,090 --> 00:19:07,150 Marvin: Yeah. It's almost like you want the mirror boo that you don't want for kind of willy boogers yeah. 266 00:19:07,150 --> 00:19:11,330 Brendan: Yeah like i don't want it to be too sparse otherwise you don't really get as 267 00:19:11,330 --> 00:19:13,650 Brendan: much of a kick if you're hard stripping it. 268 00:19:13,650 --> 00:19:19,630 Marvin: And so for you and in pre-spawn you know when do you expect to kind of to see 269 00:19:19,630 --> 00:19:24,650 Marvin: see the bass kind of you know move from pre-spawn to spawn it kind of what's 270 00:19:24,650 --> 00:19:25,770 Marvin: the water temperature that you 271 00:19:25,770 --> 00:19:27,930 Marvin: kind of set like you know we got to leave them alone for a little while 272 00:19:28,050 --> 00:19:31,970 Marvin: and go chase trout or go do something else uh. 273 00:19:31,970 --> 00:19:39,170 Brendan: Usually it's right around like april 15th here um and you know like as you become 274 00:19:39,170 --> 00:19:41,890 Brendan: more familiar with the body of water you know where the beds are going to be 275 00:19:41,890 --> 00:19:46,710 Brendan: so you know you can row over there and say oh yep there are two beds and then 276 00:19:46,710 --> 00:19:51,870 Brendan: you know go on about your way like fishing the middle of the river or fishing current seams, 277 00:19:52,730 --> 00:19:59,150 Brendan: but uh yeah i'm i'm anti messing with bed fish at this point like not necessary 278 00:19:59,150 --> 00:20:04,870 Brendan: you're still going to find fish that are either post-spawn or pre-spawn while their fish are on beds. 279 00:20:04,870 --> 00:20:08,630 Marvin: Yeah i think it's a tough thing too particularly kind of like where i grew up 280 00:20:08,630 --> 00:20:13,090 Marvin: and fished in central virginia we've had you know probably most years out of 281 00:20:13,090 --> 00:20:17,210 Marvin: the last probably eight to ten we've had these scouring floods during the spawn 282 00:20:17,210 --> 00:20:21,390 Marvin: um yeah and so kind of whatever you can do to leave them alone so that there 283 00:20:21,390 --> 00:20:23,350 Marvin: are a few more in the river, I think is a good idea. 284 00:20:25,189 --> 00:20:29,889 Brendan: Yeah, for sure. And, you know, if you're bed fishing, I feel like what you're 285 00:20:29,889 --> 00:20:33,229 Brendan: doing is testing your, your accuracy at that point. 286 00:20:33,269 --> 00:20:35,709 Brendan: Cause if something falls on the bed, like the fish is going to move it, 287 00:20:35,789 --> 00:20:40,489 Brendan: you know, it is what they do. They're like programmed to do that. 288 00:20:40,669 --> 00:20:43,849 Marvin: Yeah. It's kind of interesting. I don't know. Did you, uh, did you go see the 289 00:20:43,849 --> 00:20:46,889 Marvin: F3T movies and there was one about them and then they were basically fishing 290 00:20:46,889 --> 00:20:48,329 Marvin: for peacock bass on beds? 291 00:20:49,949 --> 00:20:51,589 Brendan: Uh, I did not see them this year. 292 00:20:51,589 --> 00:20:53,889 Marvin: Yeah, it was kind of interesting. I was like, that's kind of weird. 293 00:20:54,029 --> 00:20:57,669 Marvin: I mean, you know, something that most fly anglers generally won't do, 294 00:20:57,789 --> 00:21:01,209 Marvin: but I guess to each his own. I don't have a movie though, so. 295 00:21:02,749 --> 00:21:06,969 Marvin: Not yet. Not yet. Well, it's coming, folks. And so, you know, 296 00:21:06,989 --> 00:21:10,069 Marvin: the interesting thing is you've kind of gone out on your own, 297 00:21:10,109 --> 00:21:12,849 Marvin: you've got Roosh Angling, and so I'm always curious too to kind of, 298 00:21:12,849 --> 00:21:15,849 Marvin: you know, you've had time to kind of build, you know, kind of what you like 299 00:21:15,849 --> 00:21:17,289 Marvin: your daily program to be. 300 00:21:17,609 --> 00:21:20,149 Marvin: Why don't you let us know a little bit about kind of what a day on the water 301 00:21:20,149 --> 00:21:21,189 Marvin: is like with Brendan Roosh? 302 00:21:24,849 --> 00:21:31,849 Brendan: Um so we're gonna meet at the ramp put the boat in do a shuttle and uh i think 303 00:21:31,849 --> 00:21:34,789 Brendan: one of the most important questions i ask for some people is uh do you want 304 00:21:34,789 --> 00:21:35,889 Brendan: to listen to music on the boat, 305 00:21:36,389 --> 00:21:43,269 Brendan: and uh if you say yes it's probably going to be a pretty fun day but uh yeah i mean i we're just 306 00:21:43,389 --> 00:21:47,429 Brendan: locked in fishing hard with 307 00:21:47,429 --> 00:21:50,689 Brendan: many breaks for laughter um fist bumps but 308 00:21:50,689 --> 00:21:55,649 Brendan: yeah i mean it really depends on person to person but a lot of people at this 309 00:21:55,649 --> 00:22:00,849 Brendan: point are you know they've been in the boat with me before um so we're kind 310 00:22:00,849 --> 00:22:06,649 Brendan: of dialing in the program for that day um tactics wise and i'm joking around 311 00:22:06,649 --> 00:22:09,029 Brendan: and having fun in between yeah. 312 00:22:09,029 --> 00:22:12,969 Marvin: And so you know you've piqued my curiosity on the the music side so you know 313 00:22:12,969 --> 00:22:15,069 Marvin: what are your three favorite boat playlists. 314 00:22:16,029 --> 00:22:17,049 Brendan: Haha uh, 315 00:22:19,079 --> 00:22:22,799 Brendan: Anyone that knows me knows I have to say, like, Doja Cat and Dua Lipa. 316 00:22:22,999 --> 00:22:29,759 Brendan: But my guys I had today, we had a great experience last year fishing the DMX pretty much all day. 317 00:22:32,139 --> 00:22:35,219 Brendan: You know, what these fishes want, that's a good one. 318 00:22:36,959 --> 00:22:40,839 Brendan: But, yeah, I mean, you know, if someone requests music, we're obviously going to listen to that. 319 00:22:40,939 --> 00:22:45,319 Brendan: But usually kind of upbeat, pop, or, like, future, for instance. 320 00:22:45,819 --> 00:22:48,419 Brendan: Get some, you know, some hard vibes on the boat. 321 00:22:49,139 --> 00:22:51,339 Brendan: Usually pretty confidence inspiring yeah. 322 00:22:51,339 --> 00:22:54,339 Marvin: So you're not doing yacht rock like steely dan or anything like that. 323 00:22:54,339 --> 00:22:58,119 Brendan: I've been known to play some yacht rock depending on the crowd. 324 00:23:00,899 --> 00:23:06,819 Marvin: And do you generally do you prefer for people to fish your gear um or do you 325 00:23:06,819 --> 00:23:08,879 Marvin: like them to bring their own or do you not care. 326 00:23:10,979 --> 00:23:14,179 Brendan: I'll i'll give you a list uh and you 327 00:23:14,179 --> 00:23:16,999 Brendan: know if you don't have an intermediate line you have let's say 328 00:23:16,999 --> 00:23:20,079 Brendan: like a 25 foot sinking line type 329 00:23:20,079 --> 00:23:22,999 Brendan: six then yeah you're fishing myself but you know 330 00:23:22,999 --> 00:23:26,319 Brendan: if you have a an eight weight with an intermediate line and 331 00:23:26,319 --> 00:23:29,139 Brendan: we're totally in good shape you can you can fish your 332 00:23:29,139 --> 00:23:37,339 Brendan: gear I'll build you a leader yeah no preference for me but I do have you know 333 00:23:37,339 --> 00:23:43,519 Brendan: a whole fleet of Loomis rods right now we're fishing the NX plus swim flies 334 00:23:43,519 --> 00:23:46,679 Brendan: and it's a pretty good experience yeah. 335 00:23:46,679 --> 00:23:50,919 Marvin: And so do you generally fish an intermediate or do you also like to fish a floater. 336 00:23:53,397 --> 00:23:56,377 Brendan: I don't do a ton of floating line fishing in the springtime. 337 00:23:57,617 --> 00:24:00,217 Brendan: Obviously, in the summertime, topwater fishing, yeah, definitely. 338 00:24:01,177 --> 00:24:04,797 Brendan: But if we're on one of the bigger rivers in the spring, a sink tip, 339 00:24:04,937 --> 00:24:07,237 Brendan: like type 3 or type 6, can be really useful. 340 00:24:08,117 --> 00:24:13,397 Brendan: Because then you can kind of play a neutrally buoyant fly, almost like a leggy 341 00:24:13,397 --> 00:24:18,597 Brendan: buoy, where you're letting that short tip dig when it has slack. 342 00:24:19,117 --> 00:24:22,797 Brendan: And then you're working that column. And then, uh, you can either introduce 343 00:24:22,797 --> 00:24:26,557 Brendan: tension or introduce slack, just like you would to the fly on a leggy boy. 344 00:24:27,777 --> 00:24:31,117 Marvin: Uh, got it. And so I guess maybe your water's bigger. Cause I know some guys 345 00:24:31,117 --> 00:24:34,037 Marvin: like to fish like floaters when they're fishing crayfish and things. 346 00:24:34,137 --> 00:24:36,417 Marvin: Cause I like to get that up and down action. Right. 347 00:24:37,097 --> 00:24:40,277 Marvin: Um, but it sounds like you're doing the same thing with deep in deeper water, 348 00:24:40,377 --> 00:24:41,677 Marvin: uh, with sink tips, right? 349 00:24:43,877 --> 00:24:47,957 Brendan: Yeah. With the same tip thing, that's, you know, spring flows on the bigger 350 00:24:47,957 --> 00:24:49,437 Brendan: river, like Susquehanna, Juniata. 351 00:24:49,437 --> 00:24:52,157 Brendan: A um it allows you to get 352 00:24:52,157 --> 00:24:55,097 Brendan: that hard kick and you know almost 353 00:24:55,097 --> 00:24:58,237 Brendan: glide out of those neutrally buoyant flies um like 354 00:24:58,237 --> 00:25:04,737 Brendan: a brush head deceiver from alex lapkus is a big one i'm a fan of um but yeah 355 00:25:04,737 --> 00:25:07,977 Brendan: so it allows you to get that kick pause and before the lines start dragging 356 00:25:07,977 --> 00:25:15,657 Brendan: it down you can get a real nice like you know two count hang before it starts to get tension again got. 357 00:25:15,657 --> 00:25:19,097 Marvin: It and you know know, it's interesting, you know, you know, I met you kind of 358 00:25:19,097 --> 00:25:23,637 Marvin: through tying. So I was kind of curious, you know, when did you get interested in being a fly tire? 359 00:25:26,364 --> 00:25:29,284 Brendan: Uh when i first started at tco i for some 360 00:25:29,284 --> 00:25:32,204 Brendan: reason i didn't think i would tie flies i was like oh i thought 361 00:25:32,204 --> 00:25:35,264 Brendan: i could just buy him i'll buy him um and then 362 00:25:35,264 --> 00:25:38,364 Brendan: of course you know a couple months into working there uh my buddy uh 363 00:25:38,364 --> 00:25:42,644 Brendan: casey the giovanni was like come on man you gotta tie flies like you can't work 364 00:25:42,644 --> 00:25:50,644 Brendan: here and not tie um so he set up a vice and uh i think we tied a squirmy wormy 365 00:25:50,644 --> 00:25:56,484 Brendan: that day um actually i tied an f fly with john parisi before that the brimmar shot, 366 00:25:57,464 --> 00:26:03,584 Brendan: um i think it's called a fly it's like some sort of like tent wing dry fly maybe cdc, 367 00:26:04,544 --> 00:26:10,984 Brendan: but uh yeah so i got i got uh i got into time shortly after working at tco and 368 00:26:10,984 --> 00:26:16,484 Brendan: once i started streamer fishing is when i i just became obsessed with it i don't 369 00:26:16,484 --> 00:26:20,004 Brendan: know how much money i've spent on streamer fly tying but i know i never want 370 00:26:20,004 --> 00:26:24,104 Brendan: to see that number well yeah i. 371 00:26:24,104 --> 00:26:27,424 Marvin: Was with you guys in michigan and it was kind of funny watching you and braden 372 00:26:27,424 --> 00:26:29,724 Marvin: and austin talk about how much money you had in your baskets. 373 00:26:29,724 --> 00:26:36,624 Brendan: Oh my god yeah schultz outfitters is like uh you know it's a place you don't 374 00:26:36,624 --> 00:26:43,524 Brendan: want to be if you have loose loose morals when it comes to spending money Yeah. 375 00:26:43,644 --> 00:26:48,264 Marvin: It's kind of like the world's largest cannabis shop, except it's for a predator fly tying material. 376 00:26:49,344 --> 00:26:50,304 Brendan: Oh, yeah, for sure. 377 00:26:50,484 --> 00:26:50,884 Marvin: Yeah. 378 00:26:50,944 --> 00:26:52,464 Brendan: He's got everything you could ever want. 379 00:26:53,404 --> 00:26:54,744 Marvin: So what do you tie on today? 380 00:26:57,101 --> 00:27:03,081 Brendan: Um, I tie on a Renzetti presentation 2000 with the game changer jaws that Blaine designed. 381 00:27:04,221 --> 00:27:06,381 Brendan: And I've been tying on that for like three years. 382 00:27:07,701 --> 00:27:10,401 Marvin: Yeah. It's interesting. I've got two travelers here on my desk. 383 00:27:10,441 --> 00:27:14,341 Marvin: I used to have one for the office and one for the house and now the office is at the house. 384 00:27:14,421 --> 00:27:18,061 Marvin: So I have two of them. So, um, yeah, it's interesting. I mean, 385 00:27:18,081 --> 00:27:19,441 Marvin: I, I love them. They're indestructible. 386 00:27:19,561 --> 00:27:22,541 Marvin: Um, and now the next time I go tie on them, I'll probably break something. 387 00:27:22,541 --> 00:27:27,161 Marvin: But, yeah, it's interesting, too, on the predator-fly thing because, 388 00:27:27,221 --> 00:27:31,721 Marvin: you know, I kind of look at kind of the evolution, and it's kind of almost like 389 00:27:31,721 --> 00:27:33,801 Marvin: the way that space is developed, 390 00:27:34,221 --> 00:27:38,961 Marvin: it's almost kind of an old-school way where people had to go back and figure 391 00:27:38,961 --> 00:27:43,421 Marvin: out stuff, kind of like, you know, previous generations had to figure stuff 392 00:27:43,421 --> 00:27:45,761 Marvin: out because you couldn't just go watch a YouTube video. 393 00:27:45,861 --> 00:27:50,101 Marvin: I mean, now you can for some stuff. But, you know, all of the, 394 00:27:50,101 --> 00:27:56,061 Marvin: you know, design and thought process and problem solving to me, 395 00:27:56,141 --> 00:27:58,641 Marvin: you know, in that space has been very, very old school. 396 00:28:00,481 --> 00:28:04,921 Brendan: Yeah, I mean, they're basically starting from ground zero. 397 00:28:04,941 --> 00:28:10,261 Brendan: I mean, they had hooks and shanks, but the shanks weren't what they are today, obviously. 398 00:28:10,261 --> 00:28:16,901 Brendan: I think like, you know, the circus peanut, uh, I wasn't around fishing back 399 00:28:16,901 --> 00:28:20,041 Brendan: then, but, uh, I mean, it's obviously made a huge impact. 400 00:28:20,141 --> 00:28:25,581 Brendan: So that would be Russ Madden circus peanut, um, super versatile fly and, 401 00:28:25,701 --> 00:28:30,961 Brendan: you know, getting the two hook platform going definitely changed everything. 402 00:28:32,121 --> 00:28:34,921 Marvin: Yeah. It's interesting, you know, like talking to Blaine about him, 403 00:28:34,961 --> 00:28:38,081 Marvin: like literally in his garage, cutting shanks with bolt cutters. 404 00:28:38,261 --> 00:28:42,121 Marvin: Right. Now we just go and there are multiple companies and you just buy what you want. 405 00:28:43,221 --> 00:28:45,941 Brendan: Yeah. You're pretty fortunate. 406 00:28:46,181 --> 00:28:50,721 Marvin: Yeah. As opposed to basically drinking beer in the garage with a vice and a 407 00:28:50,721 --> 00:28:52,261 Marvin: pair of bolt cutters every Sunday afternoon. 408 00:28:53,161 --> 00:29:01,061 Brendan: Yeah. I mean, I was very lucky because the Schultz Outfitters YouTube was just 409 00:29:01,061 --> 00:29:04,121 Brendan: kind of, I guess, getting started when I started tying these flies. 410 00:29:05,001 --> 00:29:09,261 Brendan: Um so like you know the first feather game changer video i must have watched 411 00:29:09,261 --> 00:29:13,901 Brendan: that while i was tying like 200 times like each shank like all right are these proportions right, 412 00:29:14,421 --> 00:29:19,981 Brendan: um i definitely am a perfectionist when it comes to fly tying so i'll i'll spend 413 00:29:19,981 --> 00:29:24,381 Brendan: way too much time on a fly just because i know if i don't like the way it looks i'm never gonna fish it, 414 00:29:26,492 --> 00:29:33,232 Brendan: But yeah, YouTube and looking at Instagram photos for Density and Taper was 415 00:29:33,232 --> 00:29:35,912 Brendan: definitely a very big influence on me. 416 00:29:35,972 --> 00:29:39,972 Brendan: So that would be the Schultz Outfitters account and then obviously Blaine Chocolates account. 417 00:29:40,412 --> 00:29:44,752 Marvin: Yeah. And so if you're a perfectionist tying flies, does that make it more likely 418 00:29:44,752 --> 00:29:47,212 Marvin: that you'll scream at clients that lose flies on the first cast? 419 00:29:48,272 --> 00:29:49,252 Brendan: We don't lose flies. 420 00:29:50,292 --> 00:29:54,332 Marvin: Are you a scuba diver? or do you have like fins and a mask and you're like, 421 00:29:54,372 --> 00:29:56,372 Marvin: you know, diving down, pulling them off of logs and rocks? 422 00:29:57,732 --> 00:30:00,512 Brendan: No, I've been known to sacrifice a rod tip for a fly. 423 00:30:02,612 --> 00:30:04,432 Brendan: But yeah, I mean, we get, we get them. 424 00:30:04,612 --> 00:30:07,672 Marvin: Yeah. That's an interesting use of the lifetime warranty, but you got to do 425 00:30:07,672 --> 00:30:08,312 Marvin: what you got to do, right? 426 00:30:09,412 --> 00:30:10,092 Brendan: Yeah, for sure. 427 00:30:10,572 --> 00:30:14,072 Marvin: So you mentioned Blaine and you mentioned the guys at Schultz's, 428 00:30:14,172 --> 00:30:17,652 Marvin: you know, who are some other tires that have influenced you in your, 429 00:30:17,652 --> 00:30:19,352 Marvin: your development as a predator fly tire? 430 00:30:21,992 --> 00:30:27,392 Brendan: Um we're going back to michigan and it's going to be russ madden and alex lapis for sure, 431 00:30:28,372 --> 00:30:31,272 Brendan: the lapis brush head deceiver i think that 432 00:30:31,272 --> 00:30:35,972 Brendan: video dropped like three years ago and it was very interesting to me because 433 00:30:35,972 --> 00:30:41,252 Brendan: it was basically like taking elements from maybe like the swing and d platform 434 00:30:41,252 --> 00:30:48,392 Brendan: and applying it to a much easier fly to tie and cast, 435 00:30:50,472 --> 00:30:56,272 Brendan: maybe not easier to tie but it's going to be a shorter time at the vice and 436 00:30:56,272 --> 00:31:03,432 Brendan: it ended up proving to be really crucial in the guide program because someone that can't cast, 437 00:31:04,452 --> 00:31:10,252 Brendan: 30 hen saddle feathers wrapped on a bunch of shanks they can cast this fly that's, 438 00:31:10,772 --> 00:31:19,112 Brendan: bucktail, craft fur two shlopped feathers and two rooster saddle feathers for the tail Got it. 439 00:31:19,152 --> 00:31:23,412 Marvin: And what about Russ's designs? What kind of caught you there? 440 00:31:25,796 --> 00:31:33,116 Brendan: Um the circus peanut being like tied in the round like a changer like i i started tying peanuts, 441 00:31:34,156 --> 00:31:36,936 Brendan: right around the time i started tying feather changers so 442 00:31:36,936 --> 00:31:39,676 Brendan: like both of them kind of blended together as i 443 00:31:39,676 --> 00:31:44,056 Brendan: was tying them because it was similar um i guess 444 00:31:44,056 --> 00:31:47,096 Brendan: tactics and the way you tie them um or 445 00:31:47,096 --> 00:31:50,136 Brendan: methods similar methods but uh yeah the 446 00:31:50,136 --> 00:31:54,056 Brendan: peanut early on in my like pre-spawn 447 00:31:54,056 --> 00:31:57,516 Brendan: fishing was crucial because you're you're getting those flies down right 448 00:31:57,516 --> 00:32:01,656 Brendan: away off the bank or off the structure and depending 449 00:32:01,656 --> 00:32:04,796 Brendan: on how you know you can put lead eyes tongues and 450 00:32:04,796 --> 00:32:07,636 Brendan: beads you can put bead chain eyes but you can tweak 451 00:32:07,636 --> 00:32:12,256 Brendan: that fly to match the conditions you have and i think that was really cool to 452 00:32:12,256 --> 00:32:18,316 Brendan: like from a not a design perspective but just tying what you need to match the 453 00:32:18,316 --> 00:32:23,416 Brendan: current conditions it's important and eventually you know i'm in year seven 454 00:32:23,416 --> 00:32:26,296 Brendan: i think Like, I have all those flies still. 455 00:32:26,656 --> 00:32:33,716 Brendan: And, uh, it's like you have a whole arsenal of different weighted flies to basically 456 00:32:33,716 --> 00:32:35,596 Brendan: accomplish any task that you run into. 457 00:32:37,176 --> 00:32:39,976 Marvin: Yeah. It's funny you say that while you were saying that it made me think about 458 00:32:39,976 --> 00:32:41,956 Marvin: like my bonefish box, right. 459 00:32:42,036 --> 00:32:46,036 Marvin: With the different, uh, eye weights, right. And you have them arranged and that's 460 00:32:46,036 --> 00:32:49,256 Marvin: like the whole, the whole nine yards, right. One feet, two feet, three feet of water. 461 00:32:50,416 --> 00:32:50,816 Brendan: Yeah. 462 00:32:51,436 --> 00:32:59,116 Marvin: And so who, in addition, you know, to Russ, has kind of influenced you as you've 463 00:32:59,116 --> 00:33:00,376 Marvin: kind of developed on the tying front? 464 00:33:03,053 --> 00:33:10,473 Brendan: Um, so I, I did, uh, I spent a couple of summers on Jake's couch and we would, 465 00:33:10,533 --> 00:33:15,233 Brendan: uh, you know, if we had the energy, um, we would stay up tying flies and, 466 00:33:15,313 --> 00:33:17,133 Brendan: you know, going through our boxes and stuff. 467 00:33:18,093 --> 00:33:23,553 Brendan: Um, we tied a lot of, uh, of changers. I still owe him some craft fair changers, 468 00:33:23,573 --> 00:33:26,093 Brendan: but for a while I was paying rent and craft fair changers. 469 00:33:28,273 --> 00:33:32,673 Brendan: But he was he was tying mallard flanks or mallard changers at the time which 470 00:33:32,673 --> 00:33:37,553 Brendan: is something that i don't even have the patience for but uh yeah i mean jake's 471 00:33:37,553 --> 00:33:39,293 Brendan: roamer um super effective, 472 00:33:40,153 --> 00:33:47,793 Brendan: and uh i never got the hang of using laser dub but uh yeah i mean time with 473 00:33:47,793 --> 00:33:52,233 Brendan: jake was always was always a good time and always learned something and. 474 00:33:52,233 --> 00:33:54,753 Marvin: Do you have a favorite flavor of changer ice cream? 475 00:33:56,093 --> 00:33:56,533 Brendan: Ooh. 476 00:33:59,193 --> 00:34:02,953 Brendan: Favorite to fish would be a craft bird changer just because you can make it 477 00:34:02,953 --> 00:34:04,073 Brendan: do a bunch of different things. 478 00:34:04,233 --> 00:34:07,353 Brendan: I think craft bird is a really cool material, the way it interacts with water. 479 00:34:08,913 --> 00:34:13,953 Brendan: But I would say, like, if we're speaking strictly changers, it would be like 480 00:34:13,953 --> 00:34:16,133 Brendan: a brushhead feather changer with a moth tail. 481 00:34:17,593 --> 00:34:19,753 Brendan: Maybe a 316 tungsten bead. 482 00:34:20,213 --> 00:34:22,593 Marvin: Yeah, it's because you like the kick, right? Yeah. 483 00:34:23,993 --> 00:34:29,653 Brendan: Yeah. Yeah. The tail absorbs water. I don't think I have any feather changers 484 00:34:29,653 --> 00:34:31,013 Brendan: in my box that aren't a mock tail, honestly. 485 00:34:31,433 --> 00:34:36,133 Marvin: Yeah. Interesting. And so, you know, kind of as you've evolved, 486 00:34:36,333 --> 00:34:39,853 Marvin: I mean, are there any, you know, kind of patterns or techniques that you're known for? 487 00:34:41,986 --> 00:34:49,566 Brendan: Um i've never i've never designed a fly but i would say if someone knows me 488 00:34:49,566 --> 00:34:58,446 Brendan: through fly tying they know that i'm tying blaine's flies joltus flies and um russ and and lapkus, 489 00:34:59,926 --> 00:35:04,406 Brendan: they're the the big four that uh you know i'm tying at shows or if you're at 490 00:35:04,406 --> 00:35:10,526 Brendan: a show you'll see my box it's it's going to be mostly flies from those guys or variations of yeah. 491 00:35:10,526 --> 00:35:14,906 Marvin: And you've told me that you you know you're kind of tying flies to solve problems 492 00:35:14,906 --> 00:35:20,686 Marvin: which is what guides do right you know what are kind of the core you know fishing 493 00:35:20,686 --> 00:35:25,166 Marvin: problems or presentations that you're looking for for smallmouth that you like to tie around. 494 00:35:25,166 --> 00:35:30,806 Brendan: Well a problem that i run into often is uh, 495 00:35:31,346 --> 00:35:35,866 Brendan: you know if someone can't do the rod tip movements that i mentioned earlier 496 00:35:35,866 --> 00:35:40,746 Brendan: to to move their fly especially in a spot where i want to get more than one 497 00:35:40,746 --> 00:35:43,366 Brendan: cast like i'm I'm slowing the boat down slower than the current. 498 00:35:45,406 --> 00:35:49,846 Brendan: Tying a fly that's basically the leggy boy has solved those problems for me, 499 00:35:49,906 --> 00:35:56,486 Brendan: but tying a fly that's able to stay down while they're stripping and still kick under tension. 500 00:35:58,186 --> 00:36:03,186 Brendan: So someone might not be able to do the right Kelly Gallop jerk strip, 501 00:36:03,366 --> 00:36:10,266 Brendan: but if they can get that fly to at least kick, kick, and then maybe stop with 502 00:36:10,266 --> 00:36:11,466 Brendan: like more of a trout emend, 503 00:36:12,126 --> 00:36:13,706 Brendan: then that's still going to be effective. 504 00:36:15,406 --> 00:36:21,586 Marvin: Got it. You know, any other, you know, situations, either kind of specific triggers 505 00:36:21,586 --> 00:36:25,666 Marvin: you like for smallmouth or other kind of, we'll just say, angler assist issues? 506 00:36:28,197 --> 00:36:35,437 Brendan: Um, the angler assist aspect of like just casting these flies, um, 507 00:36:35,657 --> 00:36:41,917 Brendan: you know, a lot of people that come out and it's their first time casting streamers, 508 00:36:41,917 --> 00:36:46,417 Brendan: like they're not going to be able to cast a game changer off the bat. 509 00:36:46,797 --> 00:36:55,717 Brendan: So single hook flies, uh, like the roamer, um, or articulated flies like that. 510 00:36:55,717 --> 00:37:00,797 Brendan: Alex Lafkus brush head receiver, like those flies are crucial because they're 511 00:37:00,797 --> 00:37:03,457 Brendan: easy to get them to kick, especially the Lafkus fly. 512 00:37:04,537 --> 00:37:06,177 Brendan: Um, just because that little brush 513 00:37:06,177 --> 00:37:10,577 Brendan: head pushes water like a Buford and the backend is kind of whips around. 514 00:37:11,317 --> 00:37:16,437 Brendan: Um, so it's very simple to get that fly to kick, but it's also easy to have 515 00:37:16,437 --> 00:37:18,557 Brendan: someone deliver it where they want to deliver it. 516 00:37:19,457 --> 00:37:24,057 Brendan: Cause if they can't get the fly there, then, you know, why do you even have a game changer on? 517 00:37:24,057 --> 00:37:26,897 Marvin: Yeah. Then you have to listen to Steely Dan, right? 518 00:37:28,817 --> 00:37:31,497 Brendan: Yeah, or maybe the Smiths, because we'll be a little sad. 519 00:37:33,297 --> 00:37:36,197 Marvin: Yeah, you could kill yourself if you listen to that stuff too long. 520 00:37:36,357 --> 00:37:43,097 Marvin: So what is it that you see with the changers that people have problems with? 521 00:37:43,197 --> 00:37:46,377 Marvin: Do they generally false cast too much and they dry the fly out and it becomes 522 00:37:46,377 --> 00:37:50,077 Marvin: air resistant? Or is it just the entire thing of not having, 523 00:37:50,077 --> 00:37:55,557 Marvin: you know, not having really practiced fishing, you know, casting big streamers before? 524 00:37:57,648 --> 00:38:01,428 Brendan: Um, yeah, I think it's a combination of a lot of things. The number one thing 525 00:38:01,428 --> 00:38:05,408 Brendan: is probably that I tie a pretty dense fly for the most part. 526 00:38:05,528 --> 00:38:09,588 Brendan: So like, you know, if you get, if you buy a fly from the chocolate factory, 527 00:38:09,808 --> 00:38:13,568 Brendan: will it be easier to cast than a fly that's in my box? Probably. 528 00:38:14,428 --> 00:38:17,588 Brendan: Um, and I'm tying them dense just to get the most action out of them that you 529 00:38:17,588 --> 00:38:19,668 Brendan: possibly can just to divert that water. 530 00:38:20,888 --> 00:38:23,808 Marvin: So, I mean, if you're tying them dense, that seems, that would tell me, right. 531 00:38:23,808 --> 00:38:28,188 Marvin: That probably most anglers you know they're going to hold a lot more water right 532 00:38:28,188 --> 00:38:33,888 Marvin: and so yeah they basically have it's almost like a you know like a rock spinning 533 00:38:33,888 --> 00:38:36,688 Marvin: around at the tip of the rod if they're not really smooth it's really kind of 534 00:38:36,688 --> 00:38:42,088 Marvin: hard to kind of get a good forecast and a back cast right yeah. 535 00:38:42,088 --> 00:38:46,628 Brendan: I mean most people especially you know coming from or living in an area where, 536 00:38:47,168 --> 00:38:51,948 Brendan: trout is a predominant fly game species um you know most people are at most 537 00:38:51,948 --> 00:38:53,168 Brendan: used to casting an an indicator. 538 00:38:55,488 --> 00:38:59,008 Brendan: So teaching someone timing is very important, uh, especially, 539 00:38:59,068 --> 00:39:01,348 Brendan: you know, their first time casting streamers, like, you know, 540 00:39:01,348 --> 00:39:04,688 Brendan: turn your head, watch it, watch your back cast. Like that's crucial. 541 00:39:05,408 --> 00:39:09,268 Brendan: Um, but yeah, I think, you know, some people don't have, uh, 542 00:39:09,888 --> 00:39:14,068 Brendan: you know, maybe they're not locking their, their arm up in the right way to, 543 00:39:14,128 --> 00:39:17,408 Brendan: uh, to stop that rod when that fly pulls back on them or something. 544 00:39:17,468 --> 00:39:20,648 Brendan: But, uh, there, there are a lot of little issues we can work out on the boat, 545 00:39:20,728 --> 00:39:25,768 Brendan: but for some people, uh, you know, very, a very small percentage of people like 546 00:39:25,768 --> 00:39:28,168 Brendan: just don't, they don't get the change or they get the lab display. 547 00:39:28,548 --> 00:39:31,708 Marvin: Yeah. It's interesting. Cause it sounds like, you know, when you solve those 548 00:39:31,708 --> 00:39:35,088 Marvin: problems, it'll also make your musky casting life a whole lot easier. Right. 549 00:39:37,020 --> 00:39:41,900 Brendan: Yeah it definitely like correlates to musky fishing for sure and it gets amplified 550 00:39:41,900 --> 00:39:44,420 Brendan: once the flies get bigger obviously yeah. 551 00:39:44,420 --> 00:39:47,920 Marvin: And then i'd imagine too is it kind of warms up and maybe you're trying to cover 552 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,780 Marvin: more water you know it's just it's like musky fishing like there is a huge difference 553 00:39:51,780 --> 00:39:54,240 Marvin: between casting 75 and 60 feet right. 554 00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:56,960 Brendan: Yeah and there's also a 555 00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,660 Brendan: huge difference like most of the time when 556 00:39:59,660 --> 00:40:02,420 Brendan: you're setting up on a spot uh you know if 557 00:40:02,420 --> 00:40:05,100 Brendan: you cast right on what you're trying to fish like where you think 558 00:40:05,100 --> 00:40:07,860 Brendan: the fish is none of the flies that we're fishing are 559 00:40:07,860 --> 00:40:10,580 Brendan: really going to catch that fish so you're kind 560 00:40:10,580 --> 00:40:14,560 Brendan: of like casting maybe like slightly beyond with the 561 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,400 Brendan: intention of coming across that spot or if you're fishing wood maybe you can 562 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:23,820 Brendan: if it's submerged wood you can cast past the wood do like a nice like uh reach 563 00:40:23,820 --> 00:40:27,240 Brendan: cast or just kind of like raise your rod tip and reposition your line upstream 564 00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:31,700 Brendan: um to get that fly where you want it but the line is already 565 00:40:31,900 --> 00:40:35,360 Brendan: kind of sinking under that under that slack yeah. 566 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:39,000 Marvin: Yeah it's interesting and you know the other the other thing i always like to 567 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:44,360 Marvin: ask tires is i bet you've got some crazy goofball tool uh that no one people 568 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,480 Marvin: that tie with you know about right or people that watch on your instagram live 569 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,820 Marvin: know about but you probably can't live without it and you know when you tell 570 00:40:50,820 --> 00:40:52,900 Marvin: people about they're gonna be like damn i should tie with that too. 571 00:40:52,900 --> 00:40:57,760 Brendan: Um back when 572 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:03,400 Brendan: i was uh just started the gco i think i stole a comb from my my parents closet 573 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:09,440 Brendan: and that comb has traveled to every fly show with me and that's uh that's for 574 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:14,920 Brendan: like brushing out like craft or um crustaceans brush heads and things like that before i trim them got. 575 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:19,640 Marvin: It and uh is it like a like a comb made out of bone or something so it doesn't 576 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:23,340 Marvin: hold static electricity or is it just a good old-fashioned comb that you stole? 577 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,360 Brendan: Good old fashioned comb. It's 578 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:31,380 Brendan: about maybe six inches long. One side's a little finer than the other. 579 00:41:33,283 --> 00:41:39,663 Marvin: Got it. And I know that, uh, I, I occasionally see your patterns for sale at Schultz Outfitters. 580 00:41:39,683 --> 00:41:44,463 Marvin: I mean, are there other places where people can see your patterns and, uh, and, and buy them? 581 00:41:45,843 --> 00:41:50,403 Brendan: Uh as of right now you can only see him on the boat i 582 00:41:50,403 --> 00:41:57,103 Brendan: uh i got i'm working for one of my clients in the off season so the uh the tying 583 00:41:57,103 --> 00:42:03,423 Brendan: orders are closed um you know unless you really want one but uh yeah it was 584 00:42:03,423 --> 00:42:07,603 Brendan: very i was very fortunate to be able to you know have flies in shelter shop 585 00:42:07,843 --> 00:42:14,603 Brendan: that was that was really cool um but uh yeah the selling flies is it's it's 586 00:42:14,603 --> 00:42:18,483 Brendan: also getting tougher just due to the shortage of materials and the realm that 587 00:42:18,483 --> 00:42:23,343 Brendan: i'm in like hen saddles were nearly impossible to find yeah. 588 00:42:23,343 --> 00:42:27,623 Marvin: Got it and also too i mean it's just it's it is insanely time consuming and 589 00:42:27,623 --> 00:42:31,243 Marvin: there's all kinds of stuff that people that that buy flies don't understand 590 00:42:31,243 --> 00:42:35,403 Marvin: like federal excise tax and all that kind of nutty stuff that you know makes it. 591 00:42:35,403 --> 00:42:36,183 Brendan: A little. 592 00:42:36,183 --> 00:42:41,043 Marvin: Bit less fun than it should be. So I guess maybe, you know, kind of watch maybe, 593 00:42:41,063 --> 00:42:44,083 Marvin: you know, Schultz Outfitters and see if like maybe for Bob in the Hood, 594 00:42:44,163 --> 00:42:46,023 Marvin: maybe you tie some flies or something like that. 595 00:42:46,123 --> 00:42:50,423 Marvin: But otherwise, they need to come fish with you and make you listen to Steely 596 00:42:50,423 --> 00:42:52,103 Marvin: Dan and the Smiths until you cough up a fly. 597 00:42:53,803 --> 00:42:57,063 Brendan: Yeah, I mean, you know, if you catch a 20-inch fish and you ask for a fly, 598 00:42:57,243 --> 00:42:58,963 Brendan: you're probably going to get that fly. 599 00:42:59,203 --> 00:42:59,703 Marvin: Got it. 600 00:43:00,963 --> 00:43:02,243 Brendan: Kind of like as a little trophy. 601 00:43:02,443 --> 00:43:06,163 Marvin: Yeah, there you go. 100%. I've got a few of those. As a matter of fact, 602 00:43:06,163 --> 00:43:07,923 Marvin: I've got a circus peanut and a hat from Montana. 603 00:43:09,263 --> 00:43:10,723 Marvin: Oh, nice. Yeah, yeah, for sure. 604 00:43:12,523 --> 00:43:16,743 Marvin: And so before I let you go, Brendan, is there anything else you'd like to share with our listeners? 605 00:43:18,922 --> 00:43:24,242 Brendan: Um, yeah, you can find more at, uh, at Brendan Roosh on Instagram. 606 00:43:25,662 --> 00:43:28,642 Brendan: Um, website's not up and running yet, but it will be rooshangling.com. 607 00:43:29,622 --> 00:43:31,922 Brendan: But, uh, yeah, I'm very happy to be on here. 608 00:43:32,162 --> 00:43:35,522 Brendan: Um, I feel very fortunate to be in the position I'm in right now, 609 00:43:35,642 --> 00:43:39,382 Brendan: uh, working for myself, lots of good friends across the industry. 610 00:43:39,662 --> 00:43:42,742 Brendan: And, um, yeah, I'm just looking forward to see what the future holds. 611 00:43:43,022 --> 00:43:46,762 Marvin: Yeah, for sure. And you also have been known to do some Instagram live tying 612 00:43:46,762 --> 00:43:48,222 Marvin: stuff too on your Instagram channel, right? 613 00:43:49,962 --> 00:43:56,062 Brendan: Uh yeah yeah so i recently have been doing lives tying with the log jam fishing 614 00:43:56,062 --> 00:44:01,342 Brendan: company good friends over at log jam and uh that's been like tuesday nights 615 00:44:01,342 --> 00:44:07,322 Brendan: at 8 30 uh but they'll they'll post whenever we do a live that that might change at some point got. 616 00:44:07,322 --> 00:44:11,522 Marvin: It and so you know your small mouth guiding up in central pa kind of what does 617 00:44:11,522 --> 00:44:15,182 Marvin: your season look like and you know when do you head to Virginia to do the muskie fishing? 618 00:44:17,462 --> 00:44:21,422 Brendan: So my season in Pennsylvania usually starts mid-March. 619 00:44:21,502 --> 00:44:26,262 Brendan: I was down in Virginia from mid-March this year, so I got back the last week of March. 620 00:44:26,802 --> 00:44:32,422 Brendan: And the whole springtime flows, pre-spawn, post-spawn fishing, 621 00:44:32,522 --> 00:44:38,182 Brendan: will go from then until about sometimes the first week of June if we have good water. 622 00:44:38,622 --> 00:44:43,102 Brendan: And around that time, we'll switch over to more summer tactics. 623 00:44:43,502 --> 00:44:46,902 Brendan: Go to go to some bigger water fishing ledges 624 00:44:46,902 --> 00:44:53,202 Brendan: things like that on uh you know the juniata or the susquehanna and from then 625 00:44:53,202 --> 00:44:58,502 Brendan: you know we move into top water season and you know fishing crayfish weighted 626 00:44:58,502 --> 00:45:03,542 Brendan: flies uh that runs until the fall and um, 627 00:45:05,842 --> 00:45:10,102 Brendan: It seems really far away right now, but we'll be there in a heartbeat. 628 00:45:10,502 --> 00:45:13,442 Marvin: Yeah, and then I guess probably a couple weeks before Thanksgiving, 629 00:45:13,602 --> 00:45:17,182 Marvin: you'll head to Virginia and guide that season out until you start all over again, right? 630 00:45:18,842 --> 00:45:22,142 Brendan: Yeah. I'm not sure if I'll be working full-time down there for those guys, 631 00:45:22,302 --> 00:45:25,902 Brendan: but I'll be down there on an as-needed basis, especially for group trips. 632 00:45:26,142 --> 00:45:26,462 Marvin: Yeah. 633 00:45:26,782 --> 00:45:31,902 Brendan: But yeah, I also do work with Virginia Trophy guides, That's the Josh Lafferty 634 00:45:31,902 --> 00:45:36,842 Brendan: and Captain Austin Conrad, along with Brady Braden Miller. 635 00:45:37,162 --> 00:45:38,182 Marvin: Yeah, Skippy Bridges. 636 00:45:39,442 --> 00:45:39,802 Brendan: Yeah. 637 00:45:41,922 --> 00:45:44,702 Marvin: Well, that's awesome. And so, you know, you want to let folks know, 638 00:45:44,762 --> 00:45:47,022 Marvin: you know, your preferred way. 639 00:45:47,082 --> 00:45:50,702 Marvin: You know, obviously we've got the handle for your website and Instagram, 640 00:45:50,862 --> 00:45:54,042 Marvin: but, you know, what's the best way for folks to get in touch with you if they 641 00:45:54,042 --> 00:45:55,402 Marvin: want to get on your guide calendar this year? 642 00:45:57,182 --> 00:46:01,782 Brendan: Um my phone number you know give me a call or shoot me a text would be number 643 00:46:01,782 --> 00:46:09,962 Brendan: one for sure um and then email it's going to be bruce angling at gmail.com r-u-c-h is bruce. 644 00:46:09,962 --> 00:46:14,002 Marvin: Gotcha and i will drop your cell phone number in the show notes so everybody 645 00:46:14,002 --> 00:46:19,722 Marvin: can get to that uh right from the episode great thank you awesome well listen 646 00:46:19,722 --> 00:46:23,382 Marvin: uh brendan it's been fun having you on and uh look Look forward to seeing you 647 00:46:23,382 --> 00:46:24,722 Marvin: on the water at a show soon. 648 00:46:26,342 --> 00:46:27,562 Brendan: Yeah, you'll have to come up. 649 00:46:27,822 --> 00:46:28,182 Marvin: Absolutely. 650 00:46:28,482 --> 00:46:29,242 Brendan: Thanks for having me. 651 00:46:29,302 --> 00:46:30,082 Marvin: You bet. Take care. 652 00:46:31,302 --> 00:46:32,202 Brendan: Yeah, take care. 653 00:46:33,302 --> 00:46:36,382 Intro: Well, folks, I hope you enjoyed that as much as we enjoyed bringing it to you. 654 00:46:36,882 --> 00:46:40,062 Intro: Don't forget to check out the link in the show notes for The Chocolate Factory 655 00:46:40,062 --> 00:46:42,682 Intro: in Charlotte on May 4th. Tight lines, everybody.