The power of EQ, social intelligence, reading people, and how to navigate any situation,
Speaker:written by Patrick King, narrated by Russell Newton.
Speaker:Most of us like to think that we're good people, that we're kind, intelligent, attentive.
Speaker:However, despite the best of intentions, few of us are genuinely good communicators, and
Speaker:it's a rare person who never finds themselves misunderstood, alienated, or even in full-blown
Speaker:conflict.
Speaker:This book is about developing the skills and insights needed to be one of those rare few
Speaker:who are experts at dialogue, emotions, and empathy.
Speaker:That said, the emotional intelligence we'll be discussing in this book is not some quiet,
Speaker:private thing that you develop purely for your own use.
Speaker:In that sense, it's not really personal development.
Speaker:Rather, we'll see that emotional intelligence is about how you develop yourself in relation
Speaker:to others.
Speaker:In just the same way as general intelligence makes itself manifest in the world through
Speaker:accomplishment, creativity, learning, or understanding, emotional intelligence is also
Speaker:something we do rather than something we are.
Speaker:And the primary way that we express and develop our emotional intelligence is with other people.
Speaker:In the chapters that follow, we'll look at how emotional intelligence helps us listen
Speaker:to others, consider their perspectives, read their verbal and nonverbal expressions, ask
Speaker:questions, identify a wide range of subtle emotions, put boundaries in place without
Speaker:breaking rapport, and speak with clarity, conviction, and compassion.
Speaker:When developing emotional regulation, self-awareness, and masterful communication skills, every
Speaker:person we encounter becomes our teacher, and every interaction becomes a chance to learn
Speaker:and grow as an emotionally intelligent social being.
Speaker:Let's dive in and begin at the most natural starting point, learning how to listen.
Speaker:Empathic listening and responding.
Speaker:We live in a noisy, distracted world where everyone is trying to make themselves heard.
Speaker:Empathic listening is, sadly, underdeveloped.
Speaker:This is the kind of listening that puts total genuine attention on the other person and the
Speaker:message they are trying to convey.
Speaker:If we're honest, many of us try to merely give the impression of paying attention to
Speaker:someone, or play the role of a good listener without really being one.
Speaker:Can you think of the last time you sat in someone's presence and gave them your full
Speaker:attention?
Speaker:It takes effort not to constantly think of what you'll say next, not to interrupt, not
Speaker:to rush in with your own opinions, experiences, arguments, perceptions.
Speaker:Not only does it take effort, but it comes with a certain degree of risk.
Speaker:It may seem counterintuitive, but authentic listening opens up a space of vulnerability
Speaker:for the listener, too.
Speaker:Setting aside your own point of view and your own idea of where the conversation should
Speaker:go is an act of faith and a show of good will to the other person.
Speaker:The modern world does not encourage the kind of receptivity that makes us great conversationists.
Speaker:If we're honest, most of us would prefer not to do the work and rather focus on controlling
Speaker:the conversation, expressing ourselves, or making some point or other.
Speaker:To be emotionally intelligent listeners, we need to go against the grain and make the
Speaker:effort required to set aside our own egos and become genuinely curious about someone
Speaker:else's world.
Speaker:Here are a few key principles to keep in mind.
Speaker:Number one, listen to understand, not to respond.
Speaker:The next time you're in a conversation with someone, notice your own thoughts and where
Speaker:they go when the other person is talking.
Speaker:Are you busily imagining all the things you're going to say when they stop speaking?
Speaker:Are you quietly formulating a counter-argument or thinking of ways to steer the topic back
Speaker:to yourself for what you know?
Speaker:When we're occupying this reactive state, we're really not doing justice to what we're
Speaker:being told.
Speaker:We are looking at the other person and their message as something to push off against or
Speaker:manipulate to our own ends.
Speaker:We're tempted to be always in responding mode, barging in with our own thoughts and feelings
Speaker:and our interpretations of what the other person is trying to share.
Speaker:Listening to understand is a completely different position to take.
Speaker:You're not reactive, but receptive.
Speaker:You're listening with the unspoken intention to truly absorb and comprehend what you're
Speaker:told.
Speaker:It's a state of being open and curious and gently wanting to grasp the message, yet how
Speaker:many of us are quick to gloss over this message because we're in a hurry to quickly decide
Speaker:on our opinion of the message?
Speaker:As Stephen Covey says, seek first to understand, then to be understood.
Speaker:It's subtle, but it makes all the difference in the world.
Speaker:Principle two, listen to everything.
Speaker:The message is made up of many components, the spoken words being just a small part.
Speaker:Listen is made of verbal and nonverbal information, so expand your perception to take in both.
Speaker:This takes a degree of attention, awareness, and focus perception.
Speaker:Facial expression, quality of voice, posture, gestures, what people are wearing, and the
Speaker:style of language they're using.
Speaker:Listen even to what isn't being said.
Speaker:You'll be looking more closely at this meta-language in a later chapter.
Speaker:Principle three, don't conflate your experience with theirs.
Speaker:Good conversations are dynamic, and they flow and change, often with both partners' positions
Speaker:slightly altered by the end of the conversation.
Speaker:However, that's not the same as being careless and unaware of times when you might be tempted
Speaker:to see your own thoughts and feelings in the place of the other persons.
Speaker:Let's say a friend is telling you about their recent health scare.
Speaker:They're trying to share the general message.
Speaker:I was terrified, and now I have a renewed appreciation for my health.
Speaker:But as you hear them speak, let's imagine you can't help filtering all that information
Speaker:through your own pet theories and opinions about doctors or the state of health care
Speaker:in your country.
Speaker:You, perhaps unconsciously, interpret what they say in terms of what you already think,
Speaker:picking out all the ideas that confirm with your pre-existing perspective.
Speaker:Perhaps you respond by going on a mini-rant about how difficult it is to receive good
Speaker:treatment these days, or jumping in with an anecdote about your own recent experiences
Speaker:with doctors, meanwhile your friend, who was intending to take the conversation in quite
Speaker:a different direction.
Speaker:Isn't good health precious?
Speaker:I've been given a new lease on life.
Speaker:Feels like you haven't really listened, and in response, doesn't feel like listening
Speaker:to you as you ramble on.
Speaker:Principle four.
Speaker:Empathic listening takes effort, but not as much effort as correcting misunderstandings.
Speaker:With this book, you may be struck by just how much work it takes to establish clear,
Speaker:compassionate lines of communication with another person.
Speaker:You might wonder whether all this is really worth it.
Speaker:The answer is yes.
Speaker:That's because the alternative is actually a lot more work in the long run.
Speaker:If you're a poor communicator, you pay for it by feeling disconnected and alienated from
Speaker:others, or worse, you find yourself frequently misunderstood or in conflict with them.
Speaker:Constantly missing people, or never quite feeling that you're on the same wavelength,
Speaker:is like poison for any relationship, and it takes incredible amounts of effort to make
Speaker:things right again.
Speaker:Principles of emotionally intelligent, mindful, and empathic communication exist for a reason,
Speaker:because they really are the easiest and most effective way of doing things.
Speaker:The better you become at these skills, however, the more you'll see the incredible freedom
Speaker:they give you, and the deeper, richer kinds of relationships they allow you to have with
Speaker:others.
Speaker:Luckily for all of us, these skills can be acquired and developed.
Speaker:The four types of empathic responses.
Speaker:Be honest.
Speaker:When someone says, I know how you feel, does it make you feel any better?
Speaker:Probably not.
Speaker:But then what should you say?
Speaker:While you work on your emotional intelligence skills, here are a few easy responses that
Speaker:keep you in the receptive, understanding mode, and let the other person know you're listening.
Speaker:These responses are also a great way to buy time and keep the conversation going when you're
Speaker:unsure of how to respond, but want to show compassion anyway.
Speaker:Type 1.
Speaker:Acknowledging their courage.
Speaker:If someone is sharing something vulnerable with you, or conveying an emotional message,
Speaker:it can be difficult to know what to say, but relax, you don't have to solve their problems
Speaker:or suddenly dispense sagely advice.
Speaker:One of the most powerful things you can do is simply acknowledge how challenging it is
Speaker:to merely speak up about such things.
Speaker:Thank you for sharing that with me, it means a lot.
Speaker:I know it's not easy to talk about these things, so I applaud you for that.
Speaker:You've done a good thing by speaking out.
Speaker:Recognize the effort, bravery, and vulnerability it takes to share something personal.
Speaker:Just remember to keep things positive by focusing on strengths, resources, and achievements.
Speaker:A common empathetic response is to point out their strength of character.
Speaker:Wow, that couldn't have been easy, but you handled the situation with a lot of patience
Speaker:and tact.
Speaker:Type 2.
Speaker:Pulitzer Prize winning oral historian Studs Turkle tells us,
Speaker:Don't be an examiner, be the interested inquirer.
Speaker:If you're ever stumped for what to say, ask a question.
Speaker:This alone will show that you're paying attention and value what the other person has to say.
Speaker:Even better if you can ask a thoughtful question that shows you've been listening carefully.
Speaker:The right questions can help you understand the message, to confirm you've understood,
Speaker:and to quietly reassure the speaker that you respect and care about what they're saying
Speaker:and want to understand it correctly.
Speaker:So it seems like it was a really confusing few years, have I got that right?
Speaker:You were a student nurse at the time, weren't you?
Speaker:Just so I can understand, are you saying you felt embarrassed when he said that?
Speaker:Or was it more that you were annoyed?
Speaker:Type 3.
Speaker:Conveying that you care.
Speaker:Much of the time, people share grievances or express their emotions, not because they
Speaker:want someone to solve their problems for them or come up with a clever sounding interpretation.
Speaker:Instead, we're often, sometimes unconsciously, looking for someone to validate and confirm
Speaker:what we're feeling, to listen, and to treat our experience as worthy of attention and
Speaker:concern.
Speaker:Truly showing that you care in this way can be far more powerful than giving good advice
Speaker:or having some sage league counsel to offer.
Speaker:Think about a time in your life when you needed to speak to someone and remind yourself of
Speaker:the kind of response that would have most assured you.
Speaker:Most likely, you would have wanted the message, I see you and I hear you, I get it.
Speaker:It makes sense that you feel this way.
Speaker:People care about you and you matter.
Speaker:In fact, a demonstration of care, without adding in some advice or a solution, can feel
Speaker:the most empathetic of all.
Speaker:I'm here for you, would you like to talk?
Speaker:Is there anything you'd like me to help you with?
Speaker:I care about you.
Speaker:Type four, checking in.
Speaker:Show other people that you are attentive to their experiences and are paying attention
Speaker:to them.
Speaker:Deliberately check in to show that you care about how they're doing and keep those lines
Speaker:of communication open.
Speaker:Even if someone doesn't respond fully to your checking in, they will still register that
Speaker:you cared enough to do so and that's worth a lot.
Speaker:How are you feeling today?
Speaker:Hey, how did things pan out with your neighbor?
Speaker:You seemed a little unhappy in the meeting today, are you okay?
Speaker:Keep such questions open-ended and genuinely listen to whatever you're told.
Speaker:If you can demonstrate to people that you've heard what they've said in previous conversations
Speaker:and remembered the core emotional details, you'll send them the strong message that you
Speaker:are an active, engaged listener.
Speaker:Active constructive responding.
Speaker:Being fully present and responding with any of the above empathetic responses will take
Speaker:you far, but let's carry things a little further.
Speaker:Here we'll look at what's called active constructive communication.
Speaker:The idea was coined by Gable et al. in 2004 in an interesting research paper titled, What
Speaker:Do You Do When Things Go Right?
Speaker:The Intrapersonal and Interpersonal Benefits of Sharing Positive Events.
Speaker:The researchers were interested in the way that people respond to others in communication,
Speaker:specifically how they respond to being told about experiences, thoughts, and personal feelings.
Speaker:It's one of those small things that makes an enormous difference.
Speaker:Imagine someone tells their friend excitedly that they've just won an award.
Speaker:The friend says, Oh, cool.
Speaker:By the way, did I tell you what I saw at the grocery store this morning?
Speaker:Looking at this exchange, you can easily see how the person might feel completely cut off,
Speaker:snubbed, or dismissed.
Speaker:The friend has shared some emotional content.
Speaker:I'm proud of myself, I'm excited.
Speaker:And the friend has responded to this sharing of the self with a complete lack of tact or
Speaker:synchrony.
Speaker:In giving this response, the friend has put himself at odds with the speaker.
Speaker:They're no longer conversing together in sync, but communicating against one another.
Speaker:I'm not especially proud of you.
Speaker:I'm bored.
Speaker:I don't care.
Speaker:What's next?
Speaker:This little exchange might not register to anyone as violent or abusive, but it is destructive.
Speaker:If such a lack of synchrony continues in this friendship, you can expect a breakdown of goodwill
Speaker:over time, misunderstandings, anxiety, conflicts, hurt feelings, and vague negativity that's
Speaker:difficult to put a finger on.
Speaker:Constructive conversation, on the other hand, is different.
Speaker:It is courteous, warm, based around positive feelings of accord, rapport, and harmony.
Speaker:It's like a state of flow where both parties feel heard and understood, and like conversations
Speaker:move in unison rather than out of sync.
Speaker:Constructive conversations tend to deepen relationships over time as they increase trust
Speaker:and coherence.
Speaker:In the previous section, we saw how important it is to have empathy for people who are in
Speaker:distress.
Speaker:But it's just as important to pay attention to how we respond to people when they're happy
Speaker:or are expressing themselves neutrally.
Speaker:In fact, there is some evidence that our responses to someone's positive expressions is a bigger
Speaker:determinant of their relationship quality than how we treat them when they're unhappy.
Speaker:We can imagine that our responses to a message can vary according to whether they are active
Speaker:or passive, and whether they are constructive or destructive, as described above.
Speaker:This gives us four potential types of response.
Speaker:Active and constructive, passive and constructive, active and destructive, passive and destructive.
Speaker:Let's return to our earlier example to show how these different responses may play out
Speaker:in real life.
Speaker:Person A says to Person B, in a loud and excitable voice with a huge grin on their face, you'll
Speaker:never guess what.
Speaker:You know that student film I made a few years ago was the one I submitted to that competition?
Speaker:Well, I won an award for it.
Speaker:I can't believe it.
Speaker:Looking at the tone of voice, body language and verbal expression, it's not hard to see
Speaker:that Person A is excited, proud and pleasantly surprised.
Speaker:It's also not too difficult to imagine what kind of response they'd most like.
Speaker:The very fact that Person A is telling Person B in the first place is sending the obvious
Speaker:message, this news is important to me, I wanted to share it with you.
Speaker:Are you proud of me too?
Speaker:Now imagine that Person B was busy on their phone doing something else when this message
Speaker:was delivered.
Speaker:There are a few ways to respond.
Speaker:Active constructive response.
Speaker:Person B puts their phone away, stands up and gives Person A an enormous hug, smiling
Speaker:as they do and saying, oh my god, really, that's amazing, look at you, you're like
Speaker:this fancy filmmaker now.
Speaker:This response matches the energy and enthusiasm of the message being shared and is warm, connected
Speaker:and friendly.
Speaker:Passive constructive response.
Speaker:Person B looks up from their phone, but doesn't put it away.
Speaker:Then they say, oh, really, nice, did you win any money or anything?
Speaker:And looks briefly back at the phone screen.
Speaker:This response is not bad, per se, but it is low energy and may be delayed, weak or distracted,
Speaker:making the speaker feel unimportant or unacknowledged, it's like throwing a damp towel over things.
Speaker:Active destructive response.
Speaker:Person B gets up, put their phones away and frowns, saying, what, you don't mean to say
Speaker:you actually entered that lame competition, ouch, be careful, you don't want to be associated
Speaker:with such an amateur organization.
Speaker:This response is actively and deliberately going against the spirit of the message being
Speaker:shared and is dismissive and demeaning.
Speaker:Passive destructive response.
Speaker:What's that?
Speaker:Oh, cool.
Speaker:By the way, did I tell you what I saw at the grocery store this morning?
Speaker:This response is characterized by the listener avoiding or ignoring the speaker and their
Speaker:message and a hostile refusal to engage in favor of turning the conversation back to
Speaker:themselves.
Speaker:It won't surprise you to hear that it is only active constructive response types that are
Speaker:associated with relationship satisfaction and feelings of intimacy, trust and commitment.
Speaker:If any of the other types of responses are routinely used, things will steadily go in
Speaker:the other direction.
Speaker:The speaker will gradually learn that their message will not be received with any support
Speaker:or enthusiasm and so they'll just stop sharing anything.
Speaker:Over time, this creates feelings of disconnection, alienation and a loss of intimacy.
Speaker:Trust and closeness will gradually erode.
Speaker:What's interesting about this model is that it captures a form of poor communication that
Speaker:might otherwise be too subtle to notice.
Speaker:You may have someone in your life who always seems to leave you feeling unimportant or
Speaker:even degraded after every interaction.
Speaker:Why?
Speaker:It may be because they routinely respond in destructive or passive ways every time you
Speaker:open up and share something with them.
Speaker:An unresponsive or even destructive conversation partner can wear away at someone's self-esteem
Speaker:over time.
Speaker:On the other hand, if anyone has ever told you that you don't listen or seems super
Speaker:reluctant to share anything with you, ask yourself honestly if you respond to them in
Speaker:an active and constructive way.
Speaker:They may be reflecting a loss of synchrony in your communication.
Speaker:Here are some ways that you can start to be a more active and constructive responder.
Speaker:And empathically.
Speaker:This means centering their emotional experience.
Speaker:Give their unique perception your full attention and acknowledge it for what it is, regardless
Speaker:of what it means for you or whether you agree or not.
Speaker:Remember that just as communication can be verbal and nonverbal, so can the expression
Speaker:of empathy.
Speaker:Use your body language, voice, and facial expression to convey empathy too.
Speaker:Match their tone of voice, reflect their expression, and mirror their emotional experience.
Speaker:If you're not sure what this would look like, ask yourself why they have shared what they
Speaker:have shared with you.
Speaker:Chances are they want you to acknowledge and affirm their experience.
Speaker:Show genuine interest.
Speaker:You can do this by asking questions, by making positive and supportive comments, or even
Speaker:by giving a few compliments if that seems appropriate.
Speaker:The important thing, however, is that you really are genuine.
Speaker:People can tell.
Speaker:Fake enthusiasm is arguably worse than genuine neutrality.
Speaker:To that end, avoid giving extreme and over-the-top responses that will only invite suspicion.
Speaker:So instead of, that's so utterly incredible, I've never heard of anything so impressive
Speaker:in my life, just say, that's really something, well done, you must be so pleased.
Speaker:If you can't be positive, at least be constructive.
Speaker:You're probably wondering, if you're meant to be genuine and positive, what do you do
Speaker:if you sincerely don't care that much?
Speaker:Well, this is where tact comes in.
Speaker:Take a look again at the response above.
Speaker:That is really something, well done, you must be so pleased.
Speaker:This is a kind, thoughtful, and polite, positive response, but it also is perfectly appropriate
Speaker:if you just so happen to not care about films or have mixed feelings about the award your
Speaker:friend has won.
Speaker:In other words, you can always be polite and kind, even if not explicitly positive, and
Speaker:even if you really can't be positive, at least be constructive.
Speaker:Remember it's about them, not you.
Speaker:Oh, an award!
Speaker:That's unexpected.
Speaker:Tell me everything.
Speaker:Will there be some kind of ceremony?
Speaker:Notice that in this response, you're being constructive because you are deliberately
Speaker:seeking to maintain and support the connection and sense of harmony in the relationship without
Speaker:strictly needing to agree or be on the same page emotionally.
Speaker:A few final tips.
Speaker:Be careful about sudden topic changes, mid-conversation, even if you don't mean it.
Speaker:Somebody switching can leave the other person feeling abandoned, dismissed, or ignored.
Speaker:Try not to be suddenly distracted by something else going around you, or abruptly mention
Speaker:something you just thought of before the conversation feels like it has naturally come to a close.
Speaker:Occasionally, you will encounter passive-aggressive responses from other people, or things that
Speaker:seem okay on the surface but leave you feeling dismissed.
Speaker:If this happens, don't let it fester.
Speaker:Call it out immediately.
Speaker:Hey, I really do want to hear about what you saw at the supermarket, but I'm still talking
Speaker:about my award.
Speaker:I'm really excited about it.
Speaker:Sometimes being direct is enough to clear away possible assumptions and misunderstandings.
Speaker:Watch out for subtly invading someone's experiences or perception of an event.
Speaker:Let's say the person receiving the award is not excited at all.
Speaker:It would be just as destructive to respond with extreme enthusiasm that contradicts theirs
Speaker:or suggests in some way that their reaction is wrong.
Speaker:Have you ever spoken to someone who constantly turns the conversation back to themselves?
Speaker:You might mention a vacation they've been on, and they respond by telling you a vacation
Speaker:they've been on.
Speaker:You say you've had a bad day, and they tell you they've had a worse one.
Speaker:You begin by sharing your opinion about something, and they quickly interrupt you, finishing
Speaker:your sentence with their own opinion.
Speaker:Annoying, right?
Speaker:If you've ever encountered this before, you'll know what conversational narcissism is and
Speaker:just how badly it can damage a sense of connection, understanding, and empathy.
Speaker:This kind of behavior may also be quite subtle.
Speaker:You may not notice it at first, but you find yourself constantly leaving conversations,
Speaker:feeling more like an audience member than an equal conversation partner.
Speaker:Conversational narcissism can look on the surface like an ordinary dialogue, but it
Speaker:isn't.
Speaker:Instead of a healthy, dynamic two and fro, such a conversation is really just a monologue
Speaker:with extra pieces.
Speaker:Sadly, all of us have the potential to be conversational narcissists.
Speaker:This bad habit is easier to spot in others when you're on the wrong end of the stick.
Speaker:But it's pretty common to fall into this trap yourself without realizing it.
Speaker:Charles Durber is a sociologist who has researched the dynamics of attention, power dynamics,
Speaker:and focus in conversations, and coined the term conversational narcissism.
Speaker:He says that no matter how subtle and complex our responses can be, they tend to fall into
Speaker:two broad categories.
Speaker:One, shift responses, two, support responses.
Speaker:Shift responses shift the focus of the conversation back onto you, while support responses maintain
Speaker:the focus on the other person, the speaker.
Speaker:It's basically a question of allowing the focus and content of the dialogue to remain
Speaker:with the other person, or deliberately saying something to steer the focus and content onto
Speaker:yourself.
Speaker:Take this example.
Speaker:Conversation 1.
Speaker:So, little Johnny started second grade today.
Speaker:Oh, gosh, second grade.
Speaker:I can still remember those days like they were yesterday, although Annie was a complete
Speaker:angel at school, so I can't complain.
Speaker:Conversation 2.
Speaker:So, little Johnny started second grade today.
Speaker:Oh, gosh, second grade.
Speaker:How's he feeling about it?
Speaker:Can you tell which comments above is a shift response and which is a support response?
Speaker:In conversation 1, the focus is on speaker A and the topic of Johnny going to second
Speaker:grade.
Speaker:Speaker B, however, shifts this focus onto themselves and introduces an anecdote about
Speaker:when their own child went to second grade.
Speaker:In conversation 2, this doesn't happen.
Speaker:Speaker B asks a question that keeps focus on the topic introduced by speaker A. Of course,
Speaker:this is a rather subtle example.
Speaker:You could say, well, speaker B's not shifting the conversation anywhere.
Speaker:They're still talking about kids going to second grade.
Speaker:Besides, speaker B isn't talking about themselves, but their child, Annie.
Speaker:However, this is why conversational narcissism can be so difficult to spot.
Speaker:If you read the two conversations again, you'll see that even though it's small, there's
Speaker:a definite shift in the first conversation that isn't present in the second.
Speaker:What's more, a conversational narcissist doesn't literally have to talk about themselves to
Speaker:dominate.
Speaker:Any time they're bringing the dialogue back around to themselves, their opinions, perspectives,
Speaker:experiences, etc., they are deliberately shifting focus.
Speaker:Now, if you recognize some of yourself in this, don't worry, it doesn't mean you're
Speaker:a narcissist.
Speaker:It's perfectly human to want to connect what others are saying with things we are already
Speaker:familiar with, and usually that means ourselves.
Speaker:The problem is when this tendency takes over and gets in the way of us connecting with
Speaker:the person in front of us.
Speaker:Sometimes in fact, our desire to come across as kind, smart, and helpful is the very thing
Speaker:that stops us from being so.
Speaker:And we may not recognize that our attempts to listen, help, or give advice are actually
Speaker:unconscious bids to keep the conversational spotlight on ourselves.
Speaker:Consider this example.
Speaker:Person A is going through a terrible divorce.
Speaker:Person B, their friend, sees their distress and offers to talk.
Speaker:Person B feels like they can help.
Speaker:They start sharing all sorts of stories about how hard it was when they got divorced a few
Speaker:years prior, and what they did that helped, and how bad it felt before it got better.
Speaker:Person B mentions how after being married twenty years the trauma of a split can be overwhelming.
Speaker:Person A, big surprise, is not encouraged in the least by this, and eventually snaps.
Speaker:Okay, fine, you win.
Speaker:You had the worst divorce.
Speaker:Good for you.
Speaker:Can we change the topic?
Speaker:Now Person B may feel surprised at this.
Speaker:Weren't they trying to help?
Speaker:Isn't it good for someone to hear that they aren't alone and that others know how they
Speaker:feel?
Speaker:If Person B is honest with themselves, however, they may have to admit that a small part of
Speaker:them was suddenly dominating the conversation in their attempt to help.
Speaker:They wanted to be the one to speak the most, to tell the story, even to be the wise person
Speaker:whose advice took center stage.
Speaker:Despite all this, Person B might have missed a crucial fact.
Speaker:Person A could not possibly feel heard because they didn't have a chance to speak.
Speaker:In trying to help, Person B forgot about Person A's story and forced them to listen
Speaker:to theirs instead.
Speaker:Not very empathetic, right?
Speaker:The above phenomenon can be especially prominent with people who genuinely believe they are
Speaker:more emotionally intelligent, empathetic, and clued up on the psychological theories
Speaker:of the day.
Speaker:But the content doesn't matter.
Speaker:If such a person is repeatedly shifting the conversation back to themselves, they will
Speaker:be felt to be poor listeners and communication will break down.
Speaker:You may find yourself inadvertently setting up a subtle battle for attention.
Speaker:You shift to yourself, then the other person, feeling slighted, shifts to themselves, fast
Speaker:forward, and the conversation is broken down, and there are only two people monologuing
Speaker:in one another's presence.
Speaker:Try to imagine that a good conversation is like tossing a ball back and forth, or playing
Speaker:tennis.
Speaker:The game only works if there is a true back and forth.
Speaker:Everything stops if one person just keeps holding onto the ball.
Speaker:Several narcissists are very resistant to tossing the ball over, and the worst damage
Speaker:may be done by the more subtle attempts.
Speaker:For example, we might respond initially with an active, constructive response, but then
Speaker:immediately follow with something that brings us back into the limelight.
Speaker:Since I had COVID, I've been absolutely exhausted all the time.
Speaker:Oh, no, have you?
Speaker:That's tough.
Speaker:Believe me, I know.
Speaker:I had COVID twice last year, and it was hell.
Speaker:Now, the above exchange is not the end of the world.
Speaker:Provided Speaker B, Grace Fiddler allows Speaker A to have their turn with the ball again,
Speaker:so to speak.
Speaker:However, look at what happens if they attempt to snatch it right back again.
Speaker:Since I had COVID, I've been absolutely exhausted all the time.
Speaker:Oh, no, have you?
Speaker:That's tough.
Speaker:Believe me, I know.
Speaker:I had COVID twice last year, and it was hell.
Speaker:Yeah?
Speaker:I've only had it once, as far as I can tell, but it was pretty bad.
Speaker:I've heard some people take months to get better.
Speaker:I didn't.
Speaker:I got better pretty quickly, thankfully.
Speaker:I have a strong immune system.
Speaker:At this point in the conversation, what option does Speaker A have?
Speaker:They can either engage in a game of one upmanship to determine who had COVID the worst or the
Speaker:most times, or who got over at the fastest and has the best immune system, or they can
Speaker:check out of the conversation entirely.
Speaker:If they continue the conversation, it becomes a tug of war rather than a friendly game of
Speaker:tennis.
Speaker:One study found that most social conversation time is devoted to statements about the speaker's
Speaker:own emotional experiences and or relationships, or those of third parties not present.
Speaker:It's understandable that people try to make sense of others' experiences by referencing
Speaker:them back to their own experiences, but as you can see, it can quickly lead to people
Speaker:getting trapped in their own self-referential bubbles, and communication suffers.
Speaker:Interestingly, a study from the Max Planck Institute for Human Cognitive and Brain Sciences
Speaker:suggests that our egos can distort our sense of empathy.
Speaker:In one experiment, participants were asked to watch a video of maggots, and were able
Speaker:to understand that other people might also find the video disgusting.
Speaker:However, if the participants were asked to watch a video of cute puppies while being
Speaker:told that others were watching maggots, they tended to underestimate how negative the experience
Speaker:was for them.
Speaker:What does this tell us?
Speaker:The lead researcher, Dr. Tanya Singer, noted, the participants who were feeling good themselves
Speaker:assessed their partner's negative experience as less severe than they actually were.
Speaker:In contrast, those who had just had an unpleasant experience assessed their partner's good experience
Speaker:less positively.
Speaker:What we can conclude is that people tend to interpret other people's experiences through
Speaker:the lens of their own.
Speaker:We use our emotions to help us understand other people's, i.e., the more happy and content
Speaker:you are, the harder it is to empathize with someone else who may be suffering.
Speaker:When hearing about their suffering, you might be tempted to respond to it all as though it
Speaker:were just a hypothetical scenario and not so bad.
Speaker:Your encouragement may come across as tone-deaf, and you may launch into advice or stories
Speaker:from your own history that do nothing but center you and your own experiences.
Speaker:So how do you stamp out the bad habit of conversational narcissism in yourself?
Speaker:How do you develop real empathy?
Speaker:Here are some ways to do just that.
Speaker:Offer more support responses than shift responses.
Speaker:A shift response is not always a bad thing.
Speaker:Sometimes you want to change the topic or interject with something from your own life
Speaker:and experience.
Speaker:The question is really the balance you strike between this type of response and a more supportive
Speaker:one.
Speaker:Talk to yourself, but then be happy to shift back again.
Speaker:Make sure that you're always offering more support responses than shift responses.
Speaker:As discussed in a previous chapter, acknowledge their courage, ask a question that clarifies
Speaker:the details, say something that shows you care and are listening, or simply offer a
Speaker:response that shows you grasped the gravity of the situation.
Speaker:Wow, that sounds tough or strange or stressful or interesting.
Speaker:If you're stumped, ask a question.
Speaker:Another good trick?
Speaker:Simply show you're paying attention by saying, uh-huh, or nodding.
Speaker:It'll be appreciated far more than a shift response.
Speaker:Here's how that may look in practice.
Speaker:Since I had COVID, I've been absolutely exhausted all the time.
Speaker:Oh, no, really?
Speaker:Oh, when did you get COVID?
Speaker:No, more than a year ago, if you can believe it.
Speaker:But I'm still coughing.
Speaker:How crazy is that?
Speaker:Coughing for a year?
Speaker:Wow, I can't imagine that.
Speaker:Well, it's gradually improved, but it's taken a long time.
Speaker:It was pretty bad.
Speaker:I've heard some people take months to get better.
Speaker:I've heard that too.
Speaker:Long COVID, right?
Speaker:Exactly.
Speaker:I mean, in a way, it's been good to be reminded to slow down
Speaker:and take better care of myself.
Speaker:Did you ever test positive?
Speaker:Me?
Speaker:Actually, yes, twice.
Speaker:But it doesn't sound like it was as bad as yours.
Speaker:Notice anything interesting in the above exchange?
Speaker:After speaker B supplies three support responses in a row,
Speaker:speaker A actually shifts the conversation for them.
Speaker:So speaker B doesn't have to push anything.
Speaker:At the root of much conversational narcissism
Speaker:is the secret anxiety that we won't be heard
Speaker:unless we forcefully butt in.
Speaker:But unless we deliberately take a step back,
Speaker:we don't give other people the chance
Speaker:to show us conversational courtesy
Speaker:and be genuinely interested in what we have to say.
Speaker:Unless we give up the habit of conversational narcissism,
Speaker:we will prevent genuinely trusting
Speaker:and warm relationships from developing.
Speaker:Summary.
Speaker:Emotional intelligence is also something we do
Speaker:rather than something we are.
Speaker:Thankfully, it can be learned.
Speaker:Empathic listening is total genuine attention
Speaker:to the other person and the message
Speaker:they are trying to convey.
Speaker:Set aside your own ego and perspective
Speaker:and become genuinely curious about someone else's world,
Speaker:listening to understand rather than to respond.
Speaker:Be curious and receptive rather than reactive,
Speaker:listening to verbal and nonverbal signals.
Speaker:To respond empathically, acknowledge their courage,
Speaker:ask questions to clarify their message,
Speaker:convey that you care and check in with how they're feeling.
Speaker:Offer responses that are both active and constructive
Speaker:rather than passive and destructive
Speaker:to create trust and connection.
Speaker:Remember that your response to someone's positive expressions
Speaker:is a bigger determinant of their relationship quality
Speaker:than how you treat them when they're unhappy.
Speaker:Show genuine interest in what you're told
Speaker:and match and reflect people's emotional experiences
Speaker:rather than invalidating it.
Speaker:Practice offering support responses
Speaker:which maintain the focus on the speaker
Speaker:instead of shift responses which shift the focus
Speaker:of the conversation back onto you
Speaker:if you want to avoid conversational narcissism.
Speaker:Try not to continually center your own emotional experiences
Speaker:or interpret other people's experiences
Speaker:through the lens of your own.
Speaker:Instead, see conversation as a genuine back and forth
Speaker:and deliberately set aside yourself
Speaker:to learn more about others.
Speaker:This has been the power of EQ, social intelligence,
Speaker:reading people and how to navigate any situation
Speaker:written by Patrick King, narrated by Russell Newton.
Speaker:Copyright 2023 by Patrick King.
Speaker:Production copyright by Patrick King.