Janice Porter: Hello, everybody, and welcome to this week's
episode of relationships rule. I am interviewing today a
wonderful woman that I actually interviewed in the first year of
my podcast, which seems like many, many moons ago, it because
it is now it's over three years, and I'm pretty excited about it.
And it's always good to revisit with people who have made
changes grown in their businesses as well as things
that have happened for me. So my guest today is MJ shells be
welcome to the show, first of all,
Nj Shelby: thank you. It's great to be here.
Janice Porter: Thank you. And NJ is a productivity powerhouse. As
a wife and mother who once worked in an intense corporate
environment, and J experienced firsthand the damaging effects
of long hours and stress. She developed an autoimmune disease
and was forced to start working smarter, not harder. Now she
takes what she's learned and helps other helps business
owners and professionals gain control of their time, eliminate
distractions, and focus on what really matters. So they can
achieve a new level of success while working fewer hours. And
honestly, I need some of that, I'll tell you, because
sometimes, sometimes it's okay to just say, enough is enough
and walk away for the day. But sometimes, things hang over your
head, and it's like, Oh, my goodness, I didn't get it all
done today. And it's frustrating. And being a
solopreneur pretty much. That happens a lot. And I'm sure you
hear that kind of complaint often. So first of all, let's
back up and and come back to that. But I want to know what
happened to you. And how long ago was this? And and what did
that like? That changed a lot for you?
Nj Shelby: It did, because I was a workaholic. I mean that I
worked 24 hours straight, literally no exaggeration. I was
so caught up into you know, the BS story of this is important.
You know, I've got to do it. If I don't do it, it won't get
done. Right. You know, all that kind of thing.
Janice Porter: Were you climbing the corporate ladder? Yes, I
Nj Shelby: was climbing the corporate ladder. And, you know,
a couple of things happened. My, my dad died, I got a note that
my son left on the table. You know, Mom, how come I barely
ever see you anymore, you know, and being and then being
diagnosed with an autoimmune disease, which when when I got
the diagnosis, they thought it was lung cancer. And through the
weekend, you know, that's what I was dealing with. And then I got
the biopsy on Monday. And it was like, the good news is you don't
have cancer. The bad news is you have an autoimmune disease. And
so it really kind of woke me up to what was really important in
life. And I can see now that I didn't have too much to do,
right, I could have gotten it all done in less hours, I had a
focus problem. I wasn't I wasn't honoring my biology, you know, I
wasn't sleeping wasn't eating right. Well, you know, wasn't
doing those things. I wasn't honoring the biology of how the
brain works, right? We are hardwired for distraction. If
you imagine 1000s of years ago, you're collecting berries to
feed the family and you hear a rustling off in the bushes,
right, your alert system is going to go on guard because
it's probably something that's going to eat you. And so you had
to just be distracted by things like that. And so we still have
the same hard wiring. And today, it's you know, some software
company trying to get you to look at their screen, so that
they can make more money. But our biological systems don't
know the difference. And so, you know, we have to put in place
those kinds of things. And I didn't realize that back at the
time, you know, back in the day. And so the result was I was
working way too many hours and just burnt myself out to the
point that I got the autoimmune disease,
Janice Porter: and a son who was crying for help and needed
Exactly, yeah. And thanks for sharing that. I I think though,
that if that had happened today, do you think that you might have
had maybe more of a nervous breakdown around it too or
something because there's so much today so much information
overload that back then, you know, you I don't think it was
as I mean, it was definitely bad because it got you ill but you
know what I'm saying right there. Right.
Nj Shelby: Well Well, it's interesting you say that because
one of the things that I didn't mention that, you know, one of
the triggering points is, I was driving to my doctor's office
for some appointment. And I had been there, like six or seven
times, and I couldn't remember how to get there. Now, this
isn't like, Oh, give me like a minute to figure it out. This is
10 or 15 minutes later, I still couldn't remember I had to call
my coworker who I carpooled with some times, and ask him how to
get there. And my doctor was very alarmed when I told him
what happened. And just with this, you know, and he was like,
one of these jolly, you know, good, you know, doctors who were
always smiling and laughing, and he had this just look on his
face of just total seriousness, and he said, You have to
immediately decrease your stress level. And so I hate to think
what today that would be like, exactly,
Janice Porter: yeah, oh, my goodness. Well, one of the
things that will so now go fast forwarding to today, and what I
just said about, you know, just feeling at the end of the day,
that it's never going to end, I just have always got more and
more things to do. What What's your comment to me around that?
Nj Shelby: Yeah. So see, a lot of that, though, is an illusion.
Yeah. And all these companies are, have gotten so good at
persuasive marketing, like, back in the day, you had a couple of
companies who were good at that, and you get these, you know,
letters in the mail, that you would open up and be like, Whoa,
and they'd suck you in? Yes, companies didn't know how to do
that kind of marketing today, you know, millions and millions
of companies do and they end up in your inbox. And so they're
convincing you that you have to do all of the things. And it's a
lie. Like, we were talking before you hit record, you know,
as solopreneurs, there's all of these things that you can do to
market your business. There's, you know, LinkedIn, and Facebook
and Instagram and YouTube and podcasts and, you know, right,
exactly. And every person who sells how to do that, they're
sending you emails, convincing you that business can't grow
without without that. And the reality is, you don't, you only
need to do one consistently. And then once you master that you
have the bandwidth, and it's all systematized, you can add
another one. But we get sucked into believing that we have to
do it all.
Janice Porter: It's true. It's really true. And it's funny,
because when I'm training my clients around LinkedIn,
sometimes on a first conversation, I'll hear them
say, Well, I gotta get all my all my social media organized, I
got to do my LinkedIn, and my Facebook and my Instagram, like,
Wait, stop, I do. What do you do now? None of it will pick one.
Let's start there, right? Even if it's not LinkedIn, I don't
care you do, what feels right, and where your audience is,
right? Because we I know it, I'm good when I'm telling other
people, but I get caught in that trap, as well. And it's. So that
brings me to actually so slowing down in different ways and
accepting what maybe, I have decided is important for me.
It's, I don't feel it's about convincing other people. It's
about finding people who are like minded, and like that, that
platform or that's where their audience is, and so I can help
them. But one of the things that in my notes here from you,
actually, is a comment about talk, let's talk about how even
when, you know, it's essential to put in time to build
relationships. It's difficult to find that time. So one of my
things on LinkedIn is, I feel that that tool is underutilized
in terms of creating and building relationships, because
it's a goldmine. And I have said time and time again on my
podcast. Here's a guest, guess what? I met them on LinkedIn.
Here's another guest, guess what? I met them on LinkedIn.
And so for me, I'm doing what very few people are doing is
building those relationships. So that's what I like to do.
Therefore, I find time to do it. Yes,
Nj Shelby: yes, exactly. And I think that today, we have all of
these things, fracturing our attention and focus Right, yeah,
you know, there's so many things that you could be spending your
time and so many things that are distracting you. And so what
happens is, your brain starts spinning, right? And going from,
you know, you go to work on one thing and you're like, oh, you
know, I almost forgot I have to do this. And oh, I have to
remote reply to that email. I'm guilty of that, right. And when
you're in that state of mind, unless you are like you and an
expert at using it, your brain is going to shut down, your
brain can't like, oh, let's do something new that we don't know
what to do. It's just going to keep saying, Okay, we're going
to do that later. We're going to do that later. Because it's
looking for what is urgent, and you know, the crisis to solve,
but it's deluding you as to what is really urgent and important.
And so it'll be responding to a test a text message that you
don't need to respond to or something. And so really, the
first step is to get your mind to settle down and stop
spinning. And to do that, you have to get out of your head,
all of the things that you have to do. And a lot of the mistake,
the mistake that I see a lot of people make is they just make
one long list. And that's a great starting point. But that's
overwhelming, like, and you can start with a mind dump. But if
you leave it there, you're more overwhelmed, because you have
this long list. Okay, so, you know, then you have to go
through it. And you know, what can I what is really not
important that I can cross off, somebody tried to convince me,
here's what I need to do, you know, I have to work on
Instagram, no, no, I've committed, I'm only going to
work one one platform at a time LinkedIn it is so I can cross
off the Instagram for right now. And then look at you know, what
can wait until, you know, next month, what can wait till next
week, and then take those things off of that, you know, kind of
like I normally like indicate, like, you know, M for next
month, you know, W for next week, until you really get down
to this limited number that Oh, my God, these are urgent have to
be done today, take another sheet of paper, and then just
today and just write those things down. So they got those
other things out of mind. And when you do that, then your
brain can kind of settle down, and it's not spinning
constantly, because it doesn't know where to start what to work
on. Because your brain doesn't know timewise it can't tell the
difference between, you know, an urgent thing that needs to be
done today. And an important thing that needs to be done in a
week, and just smashes it all together and tries to do them
all now.
Janice Porter: Yeah, I was having this conversation
yesterday with a friend of mine who does some tech back and
stuff for me. And I was saying that even with, you know, just
looking at the three parts of my business, when it comes to just
my podcast, I listed all these things that have to be done
every week. And I don't want to be doing them. But they're
taking up time that I am doing them. So, but But I I have this
push me pull you thing around. If I don't do them? I'm not.
Maybe it's not having not found the right person. I don't know.
But I don't feel the trust of having someone else do these
things. To my level of satisfaction. Right?
Nj Shelby: Right. And that's a common thing, I think that we go
through is that we, you know, we're afraid that people are
going to make us look bad. And I used to have that. Now, it's so
funny that, you know, I won't eat sometimes. You know, I've
had like my husband who is amazing with word sometimes he's
written emails for me, I don't even read them. I'm just like,
Okay, send it out. Like if I like, I just have to let it go.
Like I just don't even worry about that stuff anymore.
Janice Porter: But you have to train yourself to do that. I
Nj Shelby: did. I actually it's this kind of weird little thing
that we store emotions in our body. And that, you know, the
way that we're made is that you know the neurons fire they
release neuro peptides and were made to feel it and just feel it
fully and let it go right. When we're young things happen to us
that are very, you know, traumatic, you know, someone on
the playground bullying you or you know your sibling laughing
and you whatever it is right that but for us as kids, it's
traumatic and we don't feel the emotions fully. We are just kind
of push them down. And what it does is it kind of creates this
connection chip from the neuron firing to the neuro peptides
being released. And so unconsciously, we don't even
realize it, we have these feelings that kind of come up.
And then our unconscious mind is like, Oh, I don't want to feel
that. So therefore, I'm going to change behavior in order to
avoid that. So let's say something happened, when you
were in, you know, third grade, and you stood up to do a
presentation in class, and somebody made a joke, and
everybody laughed, right? You don't want to look stupid. So
therefore, when you think about outsourcing and having someone
else do something, unconsciously, you're not even
aware. It triggers, you know, the neurons fire these neuro
peptides are released. And there's a subtle feeling in the
body, that your unconscious mind is like, Yep, let's divert her
attention away from that. So basically, I, you know, had to
go through and release all of that, so that there wasn't that
connection. You know, it's kind of like Pavlov's dog. Right?
Yeah. Where, you know, by flooding the neurons so that it,
it breaks that connection, and then it's just gone. So did you
do that yourself?
Janice Porter: Yeah. Oh, wow. Okay, so that takes some
dedication and work to, to do that, for
Nj Shelby: sure. I love personal development work. I love to
grow. So it's kind of for me, that's my fun. My husband makes
fun of me. You know, to him. It's like pulling teeth. Yeah.
Janice Porter: Like, yeah, we have the same the same issue
there. So I saw something that you had responded to, or someone
was talking about? What were they talking about? Just a
second. They were talking about? Oh, about unsubscribing to
different emails. And and you said it's easy to hit delete,
without realizing all those emails, eat away at your
decision bandwidth. This is me, okay. Like, if you knew how many
emails were in my inbox, he would die. By midday, many
people are in decision fatigue and end up putting off important
decisions. When we unsubscribe, we're blocking out future
decisions from eating away our focus and our ability to make
decisions. That was your comment, and I love that. But
excuse me, it takes time to go and do all that. unsubscribing
actually,
Nj Shelby: it doesn't. Okay, talk to me, there is a program
on Maelstrom m a i l s t r o m. And I can't. It's some nominal
fee. You know, it used to be, you know, like, 499, I think it
might be up to 899 a month, but you don't need more than one
month, right. And what it does is it loads your inbox, and you
can like bulk unsubscribe. And I've had clients who've had like
4000 emails in their inbox and clear them out, including
unsubscribing in and our
Janice Porter: about 37,000. Okay,
Nj Shelby: so you know, but think about it, if you've got
1000 emails from a person, it doesn't take any longer to
unsubscribe and delete using Maelstrom benefits 100 from that
person. So, you know, so it's just a matter of how long
you've, you know, it's not like you've got 10 emails from, you
know, 3700 people, you got, you know, probably 50 Different
people who are sending you hundreds of emails.
Janice Porter: I know. It's unbelievable. Anyway, so. So
more and more today, people aren't able to focus, right, we
say that we have to grab someone's attention in the first
few seconds, or it's never going to happen, right? It's even less
than seven seconds anymore. Right? So. So what's your advice
to people? Do we worry about that when we're marketing? Or do
we just do what makes us feel more Zim?
Nj Shelby: I feel like it's a combination. I don't feel like
you need to use a marketing strategy that's in alignment
with you. If you like doing video, do video if you like
writing, do writing. You have to do what's in alignment. And I
think we have to not be boring. You know, like we have to be
kind of strategic about what we're saying and make sure that
we're taking our point of view so that it's about us that we're
not just, you know, putting out more and more content that's the
same as what everybody else also saying, but we need a unique
point of view that we're putting out there. You know, and we need
to be a little bit strategic about putting it out in a way
that might capture people's attention, but don't waste their
time saying stuff that they already know. Okay, so that's a
really interesting point. Because for me, and this is
where I'm trying to develop better right now is
Janice Porter: it's about it's about telling stories, from your
perspective, so people get a glimpse of you, as well as it's
more interesting. You know, they say they want facts, tell
stories, sell facts, tell stories, sell,
Nj Shelby: or hard wired for stories, right? Yeah.
Janice Porter: And and so in doing that in a better way, in
telling a story about an experience that you've had
around whatever it is that you're talking about, you're
building relationship with people without realizing it,
right? Yes,
Nj Shelby: yes. And people read those. It's funny. We're all so
busy, we don't have time to read things. But when someone is
telling a story, you slow down your scroll, and you actually
don't read it. So yeah,
Janice Porter: I've noticed that in like my newsletter, when I do
my introduction, and, you know, I had, well, I was forced to
slow down because I sprained my ankle two weeks ago tomorrow.
And, and I said this in my newsletter, and it was amazing
how many people reached out and said, oh, sorry, speedy
recovery, do your exercises, all that stuff. So then your your,
and they were people I didn't expect. Right, right. So that's
when you think, Oh, I do have people out there that are
reading my newsletter. Thank you, you know, appreciate that.
And those are relationships that they're going on that are
building without you realizing it. Yes, yeah, I like that. I
like that a lot. You say that. It's so much easier now to reach
people and to start new connections and relationships,
but if not managed, it can steal our time. And leave us
disconnected. Tell me what you mean by that?
Nj Shelby: Well, I think that social media, it's so easy to
spend time during the scroll, you know, and not really
connecting, zoning out. And so it's easier to connect to people
like I have a friend in Florida, who I graduated high school
with. And the only way we connect is, you know, stay in
touch is through social media. But yet, when my husband and I
go to Florida to visit his parents, I drive an hour, and we
go spend a couple of hours and I visit with her. But if I didn't
have social media as a as a way to stay connected, I wouldn't. I
would never, you know, have that are awkward, right? It would be,
I just, I wouldn't reach out to her I wouldn't, you know, and so
I feel like it gives us an opportunity. And it gives us a
way in I mean, you hear all these stories of people who have
been able to connect with, you know, CEOs or you know, somebody
through responding to a post that they made on LinkedIn or
something I saw on LinkedIn that Richard Branson had posted
something about dyslexia, and somebody commented, and he
commented back, like, how many people could say that they had a
correspondence with Richard Branson. So social media gives
us all these opportunities, but you have to be on guard and put
it into you have to have rules. And you know, kind of like,
remember when you were learning to bowl as a kid and they put
the little gutters, things, the guards in the gutters to keep
you from the gutter balls, like, we need guardrails in place like
that. Otherwise, it can totally steal your attention. And have
you disconnected and you're just you're just in that zombie mode
where you're just scrolling and not really connecting.
Janice Porter: Yeah, and and today, I suppose that's what
keeps people going 24/7 as well, you know? Yeah, it's, it can be
it can be educational, and it can be really interesting, but
it can also suck your time like you cannot yeah, there's it's
impossible
Nj Shelby: to keep up. I mean, you and I are about the same
age. You remember, you know back when you know when you and I or
joining the workforce, business owners executives. They had, you
know, a telephone, they had a day planner, and they had a
secretary who open their mail and then put stuff in their
inbox. Yeah, really the important stuff. And you
contrast that to today, where nobody's opening your mail. And
and you have these, this gateway of all of this stuff to come at
you. Yeah. And there's just absolutely no way to have enough
time to do it all. So we have to know like, what are our
priorities and say, okay, LinkedIn is the marketing, you
know, method that I'm going to use for the next year. And
that's it. And either unsubscribe or automatically
filter anything that is these other things away, so that
you're not even having it come into your awareness?
Janice Porter: Yeah, so that's hard to do for people who are
curious people like me, right? See,
Nj Shelby: that's just it. Yeah, you are curious. And because
you're curious, and the fact that these people are so good at
grabbing your attention, if it hits your inbox, you're gonna
want to read it. Yeah. And the reality is, you don't have the
time to read it all. So you will either let who's the best person
at making headlines or writing headlines for their email to get
your attention? Or you let it be what's important to you to get
your attention? You have to decide?
Janice Porter: Yes. And then, as I also mentioned, before we went
on air, I had, between a two hours between my interview this
morning and this interview, oh, I had one more call before this
one that I was going to run out, actually, and get some Christmas
stuff I still had to get. But my daughter texted me and said,
What are you busy? Do you need help? Or, you know, whatever. I
said, I'm actually available between 11. And one, because I
gave up that time if she needed me. And sure enough, off, you
know, my granddaughter stayed with me for an hour and a half
while she went to do what she needed to do. And then they left
because she respected that my time was needed elsewhere. But I
did drop everything. Yeah, because that was
Nj Shelby: more important. Exactly. And see, here's the
thing. Not everybody can even do that. No, I was just gonna say
that. Yeah, but the more clarity we have, and the more order that
we have, that we can do that, you know, like, I had to do a
call this morning, with my husband's cardiologist a virtual
call that I mean, I didn't know until yesterday that it was
going to be and it was easy to just put that in there. You
know, because I have enough control and enough, you know,
knowledge of what's important and waiting out and, and knowing
like, I mean, my brain gets overwhelmed just like everybody
else is, but I know, it's not reality. It's not that I have
too much to do. It's that my brain is not was not built for
modern society. And so I just have to go through these steps
to calm it down and get things into perspective. Plug, my focus
leaks up. And then everything settles down, and I can focus.
Well, sometimes I feel that by doing what I did earlier today,
I'm going to suffer for it later. Because I have to get
that piece done that I didn't get done. Right. But yeah, it is
what it is. So how do you, you know?
Janice Porter: So how do you manage it all? Just how to Yes.
And
Nj Shelby: here's the thing, it's not about managing it. All
right, you're never going to get it all done. But one of the
things, the secrets that I think is critical is knowing what is
most important as at the end of your day, you need to be very
clear on what is the most important things that you have
to do tomorrow, and then have focused time in the morning,
that that's what you get done. First thing in the morning
before you get on your computer before you look at your phone
before you do anything. You put time into that critical time.
And then no matter what happens in your day, you're golden,
because you got those critical things done.
Janice Porter: And they and you're referring that they might
be work related or they might not be
Nj Shelby: right. Yeah, okay. Okay. Yeah, that's great. It's
you know, and I generally have clients have buckets of time of,
you know, focus time in the morning. That's like your Deep
Work. And then in the afternoon, it's, you know, more one client
likes to call them quick tasks, right? That it's not things that
require, like that deep focus. And then you have those a bucket
of time in the afternoon, where your mind isn't as fresh and
they don't take as long don't require the same amount of
focus, so that when you get interrupted, it doesn't really
derail something. But if you're working on something that
requires deep focus, and you're interrupted, Oh, forget it kind
of wasted that time. Yes, I agree, pulls you out. And then
you know, it takes you 15 minutes to get back in it. You
were quoting earlier?
Janice Porter: What I recall to be Stephen Covey's seven habits
that the grid that he uses about important and urgent and
important and all of that, do you do? Is that part of what you
do and how you teach?
Nj Shelby: Yeah, I, I mean, I followed Stephen Covey back in
the day, and it's also referred to as the Eisenhower matrix,
some people right, you're right. Yeah, that way. I've never heard
that. But until Yeah, I think he, I think he took took that
and then just, you know, for his business on it. But I, I don't
actually do it that way anymore. Because I find that it's about,
you know, understanding what is important to me, right? And, and
then from there, minimizing the number of active projects that
I'm working on. And, and so that means putting stuff on the
backburner and snowing like these are coming up, because
what we tend to do is spread ourselves really thin. And we do
a little bit of this, a little bit of this, a little bit of
this a little bit of but nothing can get done, because we're
spreading our time and focus out amongst so many different
projects. And then we're overwhelmed, because we've got
too many things that we're trying to juggle all at once.
Yeah, sure, I found that if instead, instead of doing
things, you know, all at the same time trying to get things
done, if instead, you limit it to like four to seven, depending
upon the complexity, and that includes work in personal Yeah,
right, all at one time, and then you wait until you get something
done. And then you can move something over, or maybe
something in your active project, it's in a waiting
period. So then you can move it off, like you submitted a
proposal for or for a job, and you're waiting to hear back. So
now that can go into the waiting bucket. But doing that it tends
to settle things down. So in the mornings, it's usually focused
on those projects, and then all the like, the little
administrative things and that kind of thing. That's more in
the afternoon.
Janice Porter: So let's in wrapping up, let's talk about
just give me three top things, then that one should be aware of
to be able to focus more, and get rid of those focus leaks.
Nj Shelby: Doing the stop your head from spinning, I think that
is step one. Step two, doing your morning routine such that
you have focused time in the morning. And I think that having
routines, as opposed to just all of these tasks that you can, it
can be so overwhelming to think of, you know, a million tasks
when some of them can be kind of rolled up into a routine that's
scheduled for once a week. And I think another thing is we lose a
lot of time spinning because we're procrastinating because
we're not exactly sure what to do. Like we might have an item
on our list to you know, connect with Lisa, what what does that
mean? You know, that's not actionable, but instead
something like you know, send a LinkedIn message to Lisa or, you
know, send a card to Lisa or something. Yeah, but having it
be you know, a verb that is something that you're going to
do that's very clear.
Janice Porter: And do you make lists?
Nj Shelby: I do. I do make lists. I have to I have an idea
generator. People who have worked closely with me, then
they laugh and make fun of me because I mean, it's an idea
minute, and so I have to get them out of my head. And so that
I'm not thinking about them, but the reality is there's not
enough time or people to get them all done. And so then I
have to really be ruthless and going through them. And okay,
this just isn't realistic. This isn't on brand this, you know,
and just get rid of them. So and then I do I, I have a pad that I
have that has a list down the right hand side, and then it's
like a grid paper for notes during the day. And so I'll take
from my lists, and then say, Okay, here's what I need to get
done today, um, handwrite it out. And then I've got a place
to write notes during the day. Awesome.
Janice Porter: I'm at the point at the end of this year now
where I have to re organize my office again, because that will
make me feel like I can have a fresh start in the year. I know,
it's just one of those things. This is delightful. I could ask
you a million questions. How can people find you? And what are
you working on that? They might be that my audience might be
interested in people like me, right? So you do this? Is it a
morning webinar? What is it that I
Nj Shelby: saw? Yeah, so I've got a workshop coming up two
dates in in January, I'm not sure when this will air, but
there's one January 5, and one January 19, that are all about
getting your setting your morning up to be able to focus.
And so we'll be dealing with the being able to not look at your
phone first thing in the morning. So we'll do some of
that processing those stored emotions that we talked about,
to make it easy to ignore your phone in the morning. And so all
the things so it's, it's an all day workshop, but it's not. It's
like we'll take breaks for you to work and get done what's
critical, so that you feel like at the end of the day, you've
had your most productive day other ever. So my website is and
j shows b.com. And there's something on the homepage to
link to that. And also, when I was talking about the first step
of being able to focus is to get your head to stop spinning. If
you go to n j shells b.com/overwhelm There is a video
that will step you through a process to be able to get your
brain to
Janice Porter: focus. Yes. Okay, so if this doesn't Aaron time,
remind me send me something and I'll post on LinkedIn about your
workshop because it sounds like something I should probably do.
And I love the idea. So thank you so much for being here
today. I think we overstayed our welcome. I seem to be doing that
a lot lately. fascinated with my guests, but it's my show. So
there you go. I just hope that I have people listened. So there
you go. Thank you again for being here and for your
brilliance because it does make people think like me think about
what's important and what isn't. Well, thank
Nj Shelby: you for having me. As always, it's a pleasure talking
with you. You're very welcome.
Janice Porter: And remember, thank you for listening to my
audience and remember to stay connected and be remembered