00:00:08 Sana: Welcome back, dear listeners to the Mindful Living Podcast. I am your host. And once again, this is the space where we slow down, we breathe, and we look gently at what it truly means to live well. Now, as you all know, we are in the part two of our conversation with Galen Wilson. So a bit about part one. Uh, definitely. I would invite all of you to give it a listen. The link is there in the description section in the show notes section. But then, let me, let me just give you a quick glimpse of what we talked about, what Galen shared with us. So, before that, once again, uh, introducing Galen Wilson. He is a heart transplant survivor relationship coach. He is the creator of the Monument method. And I think many of you, like me, were sitting with your hands over your hearts by the time we reached the end of part one. But for those who haven't, um, had the opportunity to give it a listen. Just once again refer to the link and also giving you a quick, what Galen shared with us. He told Heather on, on June nineteenth, twenty eighteen that he likely had two to three months left. And thirty minutes later the transplant center called. And what followed was a two hundred mile drive through an eastern Colorado Hills from hailstorm, with the waterworks going both outside and inside the car. And by nine o'clock the next morning, a thirty year, thirty eight year old heart was beating inside Galen's sixty one year old body. But then listeners, in today's episode, in today's part two, we are not here just for the miracle. We are here for what the miracle prepared him to build. So let's get started once again, and let's welcome our guest, Galen Wilson. So Galen, welcome back. And as always, it's a it's a joy.

00:02:04 Gaylen Wilson: It's it's my honor to be here. I, I just can't tell you how much I appreciate you having me on.

00:02:10 Sana: Thank you, thank you Ellen. we'll we'll talk about the sanctuary bond. Uh, you gave a very, very, um, quick glimpse of, of this in the, in the, yesterday's episode that we recorded. Um, but before that, I want to ask you something, which it kind of stayed with me, you know, after listening to what he shared, um, because you had gone back, you have gone back through your life on this podcast journey. And I think the picture has increasingly become clear. Everything you went through, um, the farm bankruptcy, the stockbroker collapse, the alcoholism, sobriety. Then you also mentioned about the computer repair business. Um, then the nine over eleven disruption, Um, three and a half years of heart failure. All of it prepared you for one thing that to be a miracle for other people. So can you say more about what you mean by that?

00:03:15 Gaylen Wilson: Well, yeah, it seems like, and I I've only recently come to this realization. Mhm. Um, but it seems like everything in my life, the good and the bad has led me to this one spot. All the all. I've never been one to one of the guys that could get in a career and stay there for forty years. Now, my father was that he ran a grain elevator for, I think, forty three years. But but me, I, I always had so much varied interest. And then of course, I had the repeated disasters that forced me into, into, uh, reinventing myself, but that that varied interest served me well because I was usually able to land on my feet again eventually after each one. And um, but like for instance, in writing these books, um, there's a lot more to writing a book than just sitting down and writing the book. Uh, you've got to be able to then format it to upload it to Kindle and, and to, to Amazon publishing for the paperback. You've got to, you've got to make the cover art, you've got to make the design, the cover itself. And, and it all involves several different pieces of software. And I, I didn't have money to pay anybody to do it. So I had to learn it all myself. And all the varied experiences in my life had prepared me to easily do that, especially now with. We've got artificial intelligence. I use him extensively as my as my mentor in building this, uh, publishing empire, as it were. And so, like I say, I think everything I've done in my life has led me to this point to be able to do this. And then, you know, if you look at my life on paper. Mhm. You know, you would expect to meet a bitter old man. Wouldn't you?

00:05:25 Sana: Um, that would be a very generalized, you know, imagination. Yes. Yeah. Honestly.

00:05:31 Gaylen Wilson: Yeah. With all the disasters I've had in my life. I should be a bitter old man. But but instead I, I approach everything with gratitude. And that is the biggest problem with, with our world today is so many people are not approaching their lives with gratitude for the things that they do have. They're all crying and whining about the things they don't have. And so, so yes, I, I truly believe everything I've done has led me to this spot to be able to, to share this and, and, you know, pay my blessings from the heart transplant forward, uh, by hopefully saving millions of marriages and making millions more monumental. So.

00:06:18 Speaker 3: Definitely, definitely.

00:06:20 Sana: And I think you, uh, highlighted a very important point here. I mean, of course, uh, and this is not just for the sake of, uh, you know, saying this on a podcast or just for the sake of, patronizing, but actually, honestly, um, many of us, we, we do not, uh, either want to maybe it's intentional or unintentional that we do not even want to think about. And this is not that, it has been given to you or every, almost every one of us, we have earned it, um, exceptions, but then we have earned it, whether it's the roof over our house or, uh, or, or let's, let's thank our, uh, our previous generations and we have earned our jobs, our education, and, uh, the food on the table, um, the basic necessities or comforts of, of life. Um, so at least maybe a few seconds or minutes of that gratitude, it can actually make us make our inner selves as our accountability partner that, uh, you know, if you have got the good, uh, respect it, cherish it. And, uh, then after that, then that will, there will be the next stage coming where now you are towards that service, for others. Because now when you have achieved that basic level of, let's say, success or comfort or, or greatness. Quote unquote. Um, I think by the virtue of responsibility and accountability, uh, in whatever capacity it is possible, um, it can be, you know, any one person or many people, through, through whichever, whatever means it doesn't have to be always in, in person or it can be online, it can be through anything, but at least, um, express that gratitude through service for others. So I, I believe that that is the highest, uh, state of one's conscience that, that, it, the calling can be about. Okay. Um, let's talk about the sanctuary bond, because this is exactly what you and Heather are. You both are doing. That is why I wanted to focus on that.

00:08:57 Gaylen Wilson: Uh, okay.

00:08:59 Sana: So please share with us, you know, give us the story, how it all started and what exactly you and Heather you want to achieve through the sanctuary bond.

00:09:09 Gaylen Wilson: Okay. So again, the monument method protects your your monument from each other, protects the relationship from each other. And with Heather and Heather and I had been practicing it for a couple of years, and I had actually written the monument method last fall already. And, um, and so one day I was out working on one of our cars and I'm a really decent mechanic from my farming years. I had, I overhauled tractor engines before. Mhm. So I was a pretty good mechanic, but these new cars are just a pain because of all their computers and all the systems and, and, uh, and so they're really hard to work on. And I had worked on this one for two months and finally got it running. And so I was so excited. I drove it around the block, pulled it up in the driveway and, uh, and shut it off. And, um, Heather wanted to go visit friends. Um, we've made best friends with a man who got his heart seventeen days after I got mine. And, and Heather and Chris, his wife, have trauma bonded over having heart transplant husbands. And so they're closer than sisters now. So she's. And they live two hundred miles away. So it's not a small trip to go see them. So we loaded up the car and we were going to go see Steve and Chris and I get in and I push the button. Nothing happened. Not even a click. Well, and and so you can imagine after working on this two months, I'm upset. Immediately smoke starts coming out my ears and, uh, and so I get my little multimeter and I pop the hood and I checked the battery and it's, it's really low. And so I decide I'm going to pull our other car up across the lawn and get it close enough to jump start it. And so I do that. And then I popped the trunk of the other car to get the jumper cables out that I knew were there, only they weren't there. Well, technically they were there. They were just under a blanket that I was to dysregulated by that time to think, to move the blanket. And finally. And so I I'm even more of a mess now. So and so I think I finally remember an old set that I had hanging in the garage that I'd bought like forty years ago. And that's how you can tell you're getting old when you can talk about something you bought forty years ago. But so I went in and got them, and evidently I left them out in the weather a little too much over the forty years. And they were all rusty and nasty. And I'm going, oh no, these aren't going to conduct any electricity. And sure enough, I clip them on the battery and click the other end together to see if there's a spark and there's nothing. And so now I'm really gone. I grab them off the car, and I hold them up over my head and throw them on the concrete and scream. Well, Heather's in the car with the hood up so she doesn't see what's going on, and the windows are up so she doesn't hear what's going on. So she has no clue that her husband's out there spiraling, spiraling out of control right in front of her. And so I remember I, I knew there was another set of jumper cables somewhere in the garage, and you'd have to see my garage to understand that challenge. But I went in and I found them and I came back out and I got it hooked up, got the battery charging, and by this time I'm just a mess. I'm so angry. Um, and so I walk around to the driver's side of the car and I, I opened the door and picture this. A sixty nine year old man crawling in on his hands and knees in the driver's seat. And I get like eight inches from Heather's face. And I go, I need a monument. And the second our eyes met, all that anger just went gone. Uh, you know, I expected maybe for it to lawyer lower a little bit. It was gone. And it shocked me so much that I. I told her, you have my permission. And again, I said yesterday, permission was so important in all of this. You have my permission to that. If you see me spiraling, you can come monument me and get me to calm down. And so as I as I was writing the the second book, the Monument Method two, the sanctuary bond, I, I got to realizing what had happened as Heather and I had been practicing the monument method for oh two two and a half years by that point, even though we didn't have the name for it until I started writing the first book, it was just something we did. And, uh, and so we had trained our bodies that when I gazing happened, it was time to for the nervous system to stand down and calm down by repeatedly monumental each other over those two, two and a half years, we had trained ourselves that eye gazing meant stand down and. And so I got to thinking further about it as I wrote the book, and I realized how powerful this is because we're going to get a little traditional. Let's say the wife is in the in the kitchen cooking supper for the family. Yeah. And the husband's been out in the world all day long. And the world has just been really mean to him. And so he comes in the door and he's already in fight or flight mode from from being out, out in that world all day. Yep. And so traditionally, she would maybe stay in the kitchen and hide until he had a chance to maybe calm down or worse, she would come and engage with him. And then all of a sudden she's in fight or flight mode, and the outside world has brought its hammer and chisel in and is going going at their monument. And so, but with the sanctuary bond, she sees that he's dysregulated. She comes to him and gives him a monument And and his nervous system stands down. And she's done two things with doing that. First of all, she's increased the the bond between them. And she's made their both of their nervous systems feel even safer with each other. And, and she's going to make him live longer because he's not producing all those. He stopped producing all the cortisol and adrenaline and everything else, all those stress hormones that kill us over time. And so as Heather and I started implementing the sanctuary bond into our own relationship, uh, we started, found ourselves just automatically doing what I call micro sanctuary moments.

00:16:31 Speaker 3: Mhm.

00:16:31 Gaylen Wilson: And historically, we would always touch each other as we walk by each other. But now we found ourselves just stopping briefly and, in connecting eyes for just two or three seconds and establishing the bond. And then as we're talking about what bill we're going to pay next, we find ourselves connecting when we do that. And so what that does is it makes the nervous system feel safer and safer and safer. And remember yesterday I said there's no sexual desire without nervous system safety. Well, now the nervous system has found refuge in the partner. And so the nervous system is feeling extremely safe with the partner. And so the desire can really blossom. And so I've found a way for decades old marriages to return to the romance phase. Um, I know I, I've been working with chat GPT and he's the most broken piece of software I've ever used. It's a mess. And you know, I'd. I'd fix him one way and he'd break another way. And I'd fix that way and he'd find another way to break. And so there have been times where I was bouncing up and down in my, uh, office chair, so mad at him. And so I actually couldn't have written all these, these books had it not been for Heather coming to me and, and giving me monument and getting me to settle down and getting my logical brain back in the, in the game again. And she had done that a couple of months ago. She had done that to me. And I can remember sitting there and I was sitting in my office chair and had my arms around her waist, and she was standing in front of me. And I can remember looking up at her and saying, you're making me feel like a giddy schoolboy.

00:18:29 Speaker 3: Well.

00:18:30 Gaylen Wilson: At sixty nine years old.

00:18:32 Speaker 3: Well.

00:18:33 Gaylen Wilson: And and so I think that's what we all really desire in a relationship is to find that one that's a refuge from all the crazy in the world, not another battlefield we have to manage when we get home. And so I found that with the sanctuary bond, and of course, it's much more complicated than what I just said, because there's a lot of there's a lot of pitfalls in both the monument method and the sanctuary bond that your listeners probably need to get the books because I'm giving you the key to the door and the, the books are what opens the door and remodels the house into a refuge.

00:19:21 Sana: Mhm. Well, there's a lot, there's a lot, there's a lot. and, and that also brings me to talk about, um. Something that you just mentioned that we all really desire is a relationship that is a refuge from all the crazy. and, and secondly, yes, that nervous system restoration is needed for emotional safety. But then, um, there's also, another dimension that you're working, which you mentioned yesterday, before we started with the recording and even during recording of episode one, which is, I think it connects everything together in a way that our listeners, they need to hear this, that you spent more than five years working inside two of the largest erectile dysfunction support communities on Facebook. Um, roughly sixty thousand men. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong and their partners.

00:20:27 Gaylen Wilson: Yes.

00:20:28 Sana: And, and what you found was that erectile dysfunction is almost never just a bedroom problem, which is contrary to what. Or the way that it is marketed or communicated or shown in the, in the conventional, um, social media or mainstream media. But then, right. What, what exactly did you observe? How did you how did you arrive at that at this, that it is almost never a bedroom problem.

00:21:00 Gaylen Wilson: Because one of the things, one of the most frustrating things about, first of all, that the whole me acting as administrator for those two groups was born out of my my driving need to pay the blessings of the heart transplant forward and help other people find the joy that I have. And, and so a lot of it was extremely fulfilling to, to me to be. I've got young men, uh, around the world. Uh, uh, porn is a really a problem in young men. It can cause erectile dysfunction and even twenty year olds. Uh, and, uh, I've got young men around the world that, uh, have promised me. They're naming their firstborn after me.

00:21:50 Speaker 4: So. Okay, that's. So.

00:21:54 Gaylen Wilson: Yeah, there's going to be little gatlin's running around Pakistan.

00:21:58 Speaker 4: Oh, God.

00:22:00 Gaylen Wilson: And so, so, uh, one of the frustrating parts was, though, was when a woman would come to the group and she, it was almost the same story. Hundreds of women over the five years would come to the group and say, my man has developed E.D. and he refuses to go to the doctor and seek any treatment. There are some miraculous treatments available now and and, uh, so the way he had dealt with his erectile dysfunction was withdrawing into himself.

00:22:37 Speaker 4: Yes.

00:22:39 Gaylen Wilson: And and cutting her off from all affection, all emotional support. He basically abandoned her in the marriage, and she stayed because she loved him and because she had the hope that eventually he would, her husband would come back to her. And so I had that's a reason that I got Heather and I into the thriving relationship coaching course was to try to figure out that that problem. And actually, I have figured it out. And because, um, what is the first thing that a man thinks when he loses that first direction? Okay. His primal brain, again, that bond instinct, that, that attachment instinct is going, dude, you're going to lose your wife the first time he loses that erection. And so what these men had done had gone into fight or flight mode. They had gone into the flight mode portion of it. They had withdrawn trying to protect the bond which the primal brain is not really good at doing its job of protecting the bond. And, and so, um, you know, conversely, I developed DD twenty five years ago at forty four years old. And I was to the doctor that next week saying, I want that new little blue pill that was just right after viagra came out. And unfortunately, it was miraculous for me. I met Heather two years later and we had a full, full, intimate life. Uh, for the, for the twelve years before the virus hit. Uh, and, and, and so that's what, what has happened with these men. So I've actually written three books I've written rebuilt for His Eyes only. And it takes takes him through the, the what I call the E.D. ladder. It's the steps you take in treating your E.D. because there's, there's first of all, there's like the the medicines are the first step you try. And if they aren't effective, then you try shockwave therapy. And if that's not effective, then you go to the injections. Uh, there are penile injections that can give spontaneous erections that can last from half an hour to four hours. And then the final stage is, uh, they have, they came a long way with implant technology to where they can put an implant in that nobody knows is there? Uh, unless you tell them you have it. And the implants, uh, have cylinders that are implanted in the penis, and a little pump that's implanted in the scrotum and then a reservoir in the abdomen. And so any time the man wants an erection, he just pumps his little pump. And when he's when he's done with it, he just hits a little valve and it releases and and, and goes flaccid again. So. So anyway, that I not only did I teach him the E.D. ladder, but I also teach how to, to restore the the relationship because so many men's ed books just do that. They tell the medical side of it. But the relationship side is so important too, because the emotional system gets damaged because of erectile dysfunction. So that emotional system needs healed. And then the third thing I challenge them is to become master lovers because, um, I can't tell you how many women told me over the years that their man had become a better lover after he developed E.D., because all of a sudden he wasn't. He wasn't concerned with performance as much as he was concerned with being present during lovemaking. And, uh, and that's one of the problems with pornography today is it's like the very worst teacher there is, uh, about what women want from sex pornography teaches guys how to use women as fancy masturbation toys. And women want spiritual connection during lovemaking. So I think that's a big problem in today's society. And these men are being trained by on the wrong model. And so, um. So that's, that in itself shows how. A lot of people call, um. Okay. There's such a thing that's called performance anxiety. Okay. Okay. And so what that is, is that man loses his first direction, his nervous system or his primal brain tells him, dude, you're going to lose your wife. So he goes into fight or flight mode, which is causing all kinds of cortisol and adrenaline in his body. And so when he goes to make love the next time, that's the first thing on his mind. And, and your brain is your biggest sex organ. And so the first thing on his mind is, is, is he, am I going to lose this erection? Well, he's so worried about it that he does lose the next direction. And, and so then the next time he's even worse. And I call it the Eddy tailspin. And so so if it if somebody doesn't pull him out of that tailspin, he crashes. And so that's I've written a line or pardon me, anchor for Her Eyes only, which is the book that tells that answers the question for all those hundreds of women that I couldn't answer back then. It answers the question. First of all, she needs to get her cell phone emotionally solid ground, because the very first thing a woman thinks when her man loses the erection is it. It must be me. He's not attracted to me anymore.

00:29:07 Speaker 4: Mhm.

00:29:07 Gaylen Wilson: And then that's closely followed by he must be having an affair. So he doesn't want me anymore. And usually. Usually. I can't tell you how many men told me I. I still desire my wife. I just can't get Mr. Happy to cooperate. Yeah. And and so she needs to understand that that it is a physical or mental problem with him, not a lack of desire. In most cases, I'm sure there are the outlier cases that that is the problem. But so she needs to get herself on emotionally solid ground. And then she can start using the the philosophies of the sanctuary bond to start creating safety in his nervous system, you know, non-sexual, touching closeness without demanding sex and, and to start to heal his nervous system and let the desire return naturally. And so then the third book in the in the trilogy is called A line for Her Eyes or a line for the couples and for the there for the couple to read after they've read their individual books. So it teaches them how to have an intimate life despite E.D. and so I call it my complete E.D. restoration system.

00:30:33 Speaker 4: Yeah. MM. Uh.

00:30:37 Sana: And, uh, I think, the biggest part here is, um, there are so many cultures and countries and places where this is talking about this is still a taboo or it is kind of not considered as, uh, something which is, um, healthy or, it has to be very, very restricted. And the, the irony is that, um, in order, you know, for, for people and by people, I mean, uh, young guys, or sometimes, uh, middle aged or, or, you know, old and, and this is irrespective of age, but men are more than the performance anxiety or the dense that this is bringing into a relationships. Either they have that fear of getting shunned by their partners, or maybe sometimes, if they do want to share this with their, um, very close friends, they wouldn't want to because there's already a lot of shame and taboo, um, attached to it. And this is, um, this is topped by misinformation and very, very, um, you know, something which is not, uh, clinically or medically or logically even, um, advised. So there's also a lot of misinformation surrounding, especially around E.D. performance anxiety. And then, uh, we also have sometimes the very wrong definition of masculinity or femininity. So I think, uh, empowerment happens definitely. You know, when you have a community where everybody feels that emotional and psychological safety to share their own experiences and, um, get the rightfully needed support from people who have been there, who have seen it very closely, who have, uh, seen others or maybe, you know, they have themselves gone through these experiences and how, uh, it has, it has affected their mental health, their relationships, their emotional health. And it can also see, you know, quietly seep into your professional lives as well. Um, so I think, uh, this is something, uh, without the taboo or the shame it needs to be talked irrespective of, of, you know, this, this theme of the podcast that we are following. You mentioned something about it, about love making. Yes. More than the performance, it is about the presence. And I think it definitely alludes to something which is the fundamental part of mindfulness.

00:33:28 Gaylen Wilson: Yes. Because there is such a disconnect between what men think women want and what women actually want.

00:33:39 Speaker 4: Yeah. Right.

00:33:42 Sana: Okay. So before we wrap it up, I actually want our listeners to, have, uh, I mean, because if we look at everything, after, after, through all of this and then, um, building the monument method, then, uh, the, the sanctuary bond. And after all of these experiences, um, is there any message that you would like to, uh, share with, with our listeners? Um, especially in today's world of, of, you know, how they should be looking at it because there's a lot happening. Um, even if we try to stay away, try to just focus on something, uh, in a very singular way. It's still, you know, there will be situations, there will be events which will demand and deserve our attention. So what do you want our listeners to take away, from your own life experiences and the work that you're also doing? And it's not just about relationships or physical health or emotional, but overall, I mean, I know it's a, it's a big ask from you, but yeah, if you can share some.

00:34:58 Speaker 4: Well, I.

00:34:59 Gaylen Wilson: Think I'm up to the task. Um, one thing I've learned in my life is the number one thing that a woman needs to be happy in a relationship is not sex.

00:35:15 Speaker 4: At.

00:35:15 Gaylen Wilson: All. It's to feel cherished. A woman needs to feel cherished, to be happy. And the other side of that coin is the number one thing a man needs to be. To feel in a relationship is respected. There's no no quicker way to give a man erectile dysfunction than disrespecting him. And so you and I think I mentioned this yesterday, but it's so important. The greatest gift this life has to offer is a strong romantic sexual friendship and spiritual relationship. Spiritual bond with one person you choose to become incredibly one with, and you need to run every decision you're making in life through the through the lens of does this protect that bond? Does this make her feel cherished? Does this make her feel him feel respected? And anything else outside of that that doesn't meet those tests is going to leave you empty at the end of life.

00:36:38 Sana: And that's very, very powerful. And I really appreciate Galen, uh, for, for, I mean, across two episodes, you have given our listeners something genuinely rare. And it's not just a relationship framework or a technique from the outside, but the lived, um, tested and very safe to say near death and back again, reality of what it means to, um, strongly and fiercely protect the thing that matters the most. Uh, so once again, for our listeners, if they want to go deeper into the monument method, the sanctuary bond and your work, and if they would like to reach out to you, um, via any channels where you are present, uh, where, where do they find you?

00:37:26 Gaylen Wilson: Um, most my social media, YouTube and stuff and they're all brand new, so they're, they're kind of ghost towns now. So I can use the love guys come and follow me and like me, like my stuff that I'm getting out there. It's slow because only Heather and I are doing it. Um, but that monument method Institute on most, uh, social media and at monument method on TikTok. TikTok is probably my first one that I'm really starting to build out on. And, uh, and then of course, I got the monument method Institute web dot com website. And, uh, and there you can find links to my Amazon books and, and links to my, uh, my, dating site that I've created. I've created a dating site that you have to read one of the relationship books and pass a quiz before you can even get into the site. And then you've got to promise you're there to build a monument monument with somebody not for casual dating. So it's my anti hookup, uh, dating site.

00:38:33 Sana: I love that.

00:38:34 Gaylen Wilson: And yeah, it's called monument validated person MVP and there's a link to it on the and right now, uh, I'm giving away monument man and monument woman. They're my older adult dating books and I've just got I'm just like a day away from publishing. Actually, I published Monument Man last night and I'm publishing Monument Man before the monument, and I'm publishing woman before the monument sometime today, and I'm going to have those available for free downloads at, uh, at my website. If you go to the MVP site and scroll to the bottom, you'll find the links. And we're, and we're also giving away our first book in our eighteen book, Romance Books, we built the romance books to show the Monument method and the sanctuary bond and love stories.

00:39:32 Sana: Wow, that is cool. That that is actually very, very creative. Uh, that is smart and creative. And I think, um, definitely stories have, uh, uh, a very, very effective and very, um, personal. However, sometimes it can be collective way of connecting with, with so many people out there on a single, um, on a single ground, you know, it can bring something which can, uh, bring everyone together on emotions, solidarity. So I think that's a very, very, that's, that's a very good decision.

00:40:10 Gaylen Wilson: Yeah, I kind of want to, uh, again, that's a lot because of my pay it forward from my heart transplant that I feel the need to, to help that community grow for people to find because I've read, written the books in such a way that they've seen what you've seen in the last couple of days and they go, okay, that's great, but where do I find somebody to build a monument with? And so I, I, I am trying to solve that problem too.

00:40:35 Sana: So absolutely, absolutely. Um, well, uh, I really appreciate because you are actually, uh, un haba together, you're doing a lot. And, uh, I mean, definitely this will, uh, reach out to so many listeners out there in their heart. Um, and definitely one thing for sure, which all of us can take from, um, what we, uh, learn from you, um, whatsoever was the time limit in which it was available, but through this episode, through both the episodes, is something that I want to just kind of reiterate for our listeners. And that would be when it comes to the miracle business, I think it was not just that call or the Ha that arrived thirty minutes after they said goodbye to Heather. I believe, listeners, the miracle was the bond that held through three and a half years of everything trying to break in that bond. It was built word by word, repair, by repair, monument by monument, long before even the crisis had arrived. So fiercely protect your monument before the storm, during the storm, and especially after it passes. But then, until next time, this is the mindful living show. I am Sana, be gentle with yourself and come home to people who matter most. Thank you so much.