Mhm. • • • • • • • • • • • It is April 13, 2022. Back at the Round Table. Sort of like the nights of the Roundtable. I'm thinking Monty Python, • • Knights of the Round Table. • • • • • • • • Great stuff. Think that was the Holy Grail. But anyway, let, uh.

Me face the peril. • • • •

I'll have your arm. • • Um, • • • • anyway, we got Norm here back at the Round table. I just skipped last week. This job just keeps getting the way of this fun. • • Um, • maybe one day we'll get to a situation where this is the job, but then it might not be fun. I don't know. Uh, anyway, we got Nora Bag around the table. We got Brett from Circle 270 Media. And, uh, it is April 13, as I said. So there's lots going on in the world. Or at least it seems that way. Every time I turn around, there's some abhorrent news story. I hear that. • • I know. Norm is, like, rolling over • • • Jotting notes.

Jotting notes down researching.

I'm, um, a very angry mangry, uh, young man. • • • •

Uh, • • yeah. • • • • • • So, without further Ado, Norm, I got a couple of things I want to kick around, but, uh, what you got on your list there?

Oh, dude, I have so much, uh, everything from Palm Springs, California, • • uh, • • piloting a guaranteed income program for transgender residents.

I saw that.

I mean, wow. Uh, • • • unbelievable.

Look, at some point.

I mean, it's unbelievable. • • • •

This is what I used to say this long ago, uh, when we still had our. • • • • • • • When we had the old crew here, it was like, • • United States has never been a place where you need walls to keep people in. • • • But I think we're sort of getting to the point where we may need walls to keep people in • it's like. • • • •

Uh, • • • you'd want to flee or do an exchange program • with, uh, Guatemala or Venezuela, • • those folks that want to come to the United States. • • • • I'm willing to export one for one. • • • • Some of our citizens • • in an exchange program • • if it's so horrible here, especially this is so oppressive and so racist in the country.

Not only that, if you want • • • what you're doing. Well, guess what? There are places that have it. They're all poor and starving to death. But there's places that have it.

Um, • • guaranteed income in Cuba.

Sure. And it's zero. • • • • • • Or you get a dollar, and it's worth, like, $0.10.

I mean, we got Katanji Brown Jackson on the court. We have a, uh, mass shooting in the New York subway system. Um, • • • um, • FEC finds Hillary Clinton over her • • • • falsified filings relating to, uh, payments for the steel dossier. • • • Uh, we have, uh, Disney expanding into • at least ten antigay, • • • uh, countries while leading this jihad against parents that don't want their kindergarteners to be groomed, • • uh, • for somebody else's sexual, • • um, agenda. Uh, • • we've, uh, got, uh, Russia, • • uh, telling their astronauts and the International Space Station that they're not allowed to talk to the US personnel on board.

Can you imagine that? • • Uh, I need to use the bathroom.

We got the Ohio Court of Appeals upheld a verdict of $31 million against Overland College for defamation for the bakery. Elon Musk is absolutely dropping bombs at Twitter. I mean, there is a lot going on.

All right, let's start with, boy, where do we go? Let's go back to California for a second, because I think they passed this law that says if you're a company that has over 500 employees, you have to pay a certain. Oh, no, this is the one I wanted to talk to you about. Yeah. It's not that you have to pay a certain income. • • • • They want to reduce the work week to 32 hours, four days a week, because people are, quote, • • uh, they don't want to go back for 40 hours after the pandemic. Uh, • • • they got used to working or not working, I guess. • • • Play this one out. I want to just play economists for a second. So • • • if I have a company that has over 500 employees and I am now mandated by the government to have a 32 hours work week, what that really means is that anybody who works over 32 hours gets overtime time and a half. So whenever this kind of stuff happens, • the Dike is going to start bleeding somewhere or, uh, leaking somewhere else. You can only plug so many holes. So what is the company going to do? •

They're going to leave California.

Well, ultimately they leave California, but in the short term, you're going to hire a bunch of part time employees.

Well, they change their contracts with their employers employees and basically be independent contractors. And then they skirt health insurance, which is actually a benefit.

Then you don't. Right. Then you don't get health insurance.

Exactly.

You're going to hire a bunch of part timers because you can't afford first of all, let's presume that you need workers for 40 hours. And what's going to happen is you're not going to pay people more. You're going to pay people less, or you're going to pay fewer people. So you're going to get part timers. You're going to have all sorts of ways that, uh, these companies skirt around this because they can't afford it. And people say, well, they're greedy bastards, whatever. It's like. No, they have a bottom line. • • • • They have a certain amount of money they make, and it's premised upon • • a, uh, certain amount of cost. And the government has artificially altered this now. • • • • • • So I've had this debate with folks right here in the studio, and they're like, wow, these greedy people, they should just pay more. They told me that. They said, well, you should just pay more then or pay yourself less is what they said. • And I looked at and this was right in the midst of the shutdown, I said, well, like, less than what? Well, less than what you normally make. And I said, right now, it's zero, man. • • And it got that quiet I was like, look, it's shut down. I'm not making any money, so I can't pay myself any less than zero. And, uh, they're like, oh. • • • • • • • •

Take it from the reserves that you've saved in the last few years.

You should have saved. That's what they say. You should have saved all that greedy money, uh, grub and Scrooge • • that you were using to go buy all these fancy things. But it's like people have this perception that these big companies just have infinite supplies of money and their cost structure is way out of whack. It's not true. • • People are entitled to make a profit, and they've taken risk. They've built their company. They've got a business. They got shareholders to answer to. They can't just.

Well, this sounds like the hearings that Congress just had with the oil industry. • • • Those were absurd hearings. You had these mainly female lawmakers. I hate to say it, but, I mean, that's who said these things. And if you're going to look at it demographically about which groups • seem to be really confused about, • um, • our marketplace system, our capital system, the people asking the questions in Congress of • • these, uh, oil executives, uh, really betrayed • either • • • • • their misunderstanding or their intentional • • • • • • • • • • • • • • intentionally being • • • • • • • Daffy. Yeah, because the questions were • • along the lines of greed. And • • • • • there's always a flip side to somebody who accuses somebody of greed, and that is they're greedy. In other words, if you're accusing somebody of being greedy, it's only because you want more of what they have. • • • And you have some sort of argument • that, uh, makes sense internally in your head for why you deserve a chunk of somebody else's money, which, like Tom Soul would say is, • • um, • • theft at the point of a gun.

Sure. • • • •

They asked the oil companies, well, why do you have profits • • in a down market? • • • • It's like, well, • • • I'm in a futures, • • • • uh, industry. • I'm doing things. I'm reaping profits today for decisions we made two or three years ago, sometimes longer.

Right. Sometimes even longer.

And we don't know if we're going to make a profit because there's a world oil market goes up and down, and we're not in control of that.

And imagine if it were the other way around. If it were that they invested in some futures and they got burned, do you think anybody in Congress would give one rat's ass to help them fix that problem? No, of course not. We should have known better. • • • • • • • • • This is my favorite argument in front of a jury just to bring it back to lawyer talk for a bit. Second is that you can't have it both ways. No, you can't have it both ways. You don't get it this way, and that way you can't have the upside and not have the responsibility.

You accuse somebody of greed, it's because you have envy, and that means you're greedy. Yeah, • • • • I see rich people. I'm friends with some rich people. I'm friends with a lot of poor people. I never look at somebody's means and make a judgment about their worth. And we'd never call somebody who's wealthy, greedy because they're wealthy. • • None of my business how they got their money.

And don't you think that there's this notion out there • • like you've got these, quote, academics who have spent their whole lives studying and learning, and they think that they're the smartest people around, or smart. • • • I think a lot of these people, sort of, whether they admit it or not, or maybe it's not even conscious, it might be subconscious, they feel like it's not fair. I'm smart and I don't have all this money that this guy with a concrete company has, and I'm smarter than that guy. So somehow it's not fair. The system isn't fair that he can get rich and I can't. Um, and it's complete. Like you said, it's complete envy. That's what it is in disguise.

Sure it is. Well, those, uh, folks in California, • • • they're laboring under • • an ever tightening • • regime of state requirements, are just going to continue to leave. I mean, some of my suppliers, my little parts business, I was talking to people back in the 80s that were packing up and moving their factories to places like Utah, Nevada, uh, Arizona, anywhere but California.

Sure. • • •

This is just going to accelerate. I mean, Musk relocated Tesla • • to Texas.

This is a Thomas Sole quote. And the politicians will never, ever • • take responsibility. They're just going to say, you didn't let us do enough. • • So the next move is going to be, you're not allowed to leave, or the, um, next move is going to be, well, you're not allowed to. So we have a 32 hours work week. Um, you're not allowed to make anybody part time. And then there'll be another. The employers are going to have to somehow work around that in order to maintain their business structure. So they're going to do something else. And the government will then come in and tweak that and say, you're not allowed to do that either. And then it'll go a different direction. It'll be this cat and mouse game to the point where they just can't do it anymore and the cost becomes too great. Then they have to weigh that against the cost, against just selling, saying, I'm either going to leave the state or sell out and just quit. And that'll be that. And that's what's happened with a lot of companies. So I wonder, I think I saw this, like 2600 or maybe 2900 • relevant, uh, companies, meaning they have over 500 employees. And it's like, boy, • • • • you're like taking your base • • and saying, • • we're going to make this really difficult on you and that's that you're going to leave. Yeah, it's really sort of astounding to me. It reflects, • • • well, everybody in this room understands this. We all run businesses. We all run businesses. And • • • we didn't learn how to do it overnight. • • • • • • • • I'm learning • • every day, every day.

Sure.

Yeah.

And it's not easy. And just because I run my business, Brett, doesn't mean I can run yours.

And normally, nobody could run mine.

I am 100% confident • that, uh, I could not run yours.

No. When I croak, they're going to bring in the D Nine Caterpillar bulldozers, and • they're just going to make a landfill.

So how on Earth is a guy like Gavin Newsom • going to just step in and say, I can fix norms business?

Sure.

And I'm going to make it so it's good for everybody. And then they get into it and they realize they can't fix it. It's a total mess. They don't blame themselves because either their tenure is up, they're going to get somebody else to take over and have to deal with the problem, or they'll blame you for being greedy. Or they'll just say, well, the problem was I needed to do more, and people wouldn't let me do more.

Well, • • the real failure of politicians these days, especially at the local level, is the failure to • • do the basic job of government • • at their level. And you see that • • • from everything • • • • • • from • • Gavin Newsom's inability or his refusal to adequately maintain California's public lands, clearing underbrush thinning trees to prevent these fires that are just serially happening, • • • uh, taking care of the homeless situation. • • • So, uh, that people aren't beat up. I saw were in San Francisco, the owner of the Kraken Distillery, of all things, which, um, is in a tourist district, is, uh, relocating his office because his employees were being assaulted at the entrance, at the door to the company, out on the sidewalk. They had reported so many instances of being accosted or assaulted that he's, uh, relocating. And then the subway thing in New York City. Are you kidding me? After 911, they don't have cameras working in the subway, so they don't have any video other than people's handheld, private citizens, phones of this perp that hurt 30 people, shot ten people.

Well, I mean, let's talk about this, because this is the, quote, gun violence that Biden was addressing.

My point, Steve, just to tie the bow, is that our local politicians, whether it's New York City, San Francisco, here in Columbus, they're not doing the job of maintaining the infrastructure that they're supposed to maintain. Police, fire, roads. They're not taking care of it. And yet • • • they're getting into other people's grills • • • • • where they don't need to be. They're going out into the private sector and telling them that they need to implement this or that or the other woke program or whatever it is, this wage and hours thing.

And they can't do the easy stuff.

That's what I'm saying. Yeah.

Take care of your own.

Take care of the basics. Deliver clean water, • fix the dam roads. Right. • • Have a good police force, have a good fire Department and force the law and support good schools. • • •

It seems so basic. But you're right. This is a great point is that they're screwing up the stuff that they're supposed to do, and at the same time, they're trying to take on more stuff that they can't.

Maybe that's hurt our attention.

Frankly, • • • we've messed this up. It's your fault that we have all this crime because you gun people are causing the crime. When, five years ago, we didn't have all this crime, we had the same amount of guns. But now that's not it. It's your fault because now it's guns. • And, um, I'm bringing it up because it's my nice little segue to the executive orders that Biden is pushing out again on ghost guns.

For, uh, God's sake.

So what he's done now, or what he's trying to do is sign an order that basically says, any unstamped • • • receivers or we'll just call them. I'm not going to go into the details of it because it gets complex. But people can buy gun parts right now and assemble their own guns. • •

And they always could. • • • • • • • • • • • In fact, now with at home 3D printer machines.

They don't need to buy them.

Right. • • • • •

You can make a plastic gun.

I can push a button into a metal. • • • •

Sure.

That plasma metal. • Now, those are not home • generally.

There • • • • • • • • • • • • • • now it's this. Well, we have all this gun violence, and they're going to use that as a platform to leap off and push gun control. • • Instead of saying the increase, uh, of gun violence is a result of horrible government policy, • • it is because there are too many guns. It's the same argument they always make. They cause the problem and then want to use that problem to push a different agenda on a different level. And that is gun control. So at the outset, I hate executive orders. I freaking hate them. I can't use enough swear words to punctuate the point. I hate executive orders.

Right.

I don't care if it's Donald Trump's pen. I don't care if it's Obama's pen, Biden's, Bush, or any President in the history. I hate executive.

Well, they're legislating from their desk.

Exactly.

It's not what they're doing.

What our country is supposed to be.

No, it's not. Deliberation by the people's. Representatives then passed up to the executive for his signature or his veto.

Right.

That's how our system supposed to work.

How it's supposed to work. And people love executive orders on both sides when they go their way. When Trump was saying no, • • like banning certain • • • • • • travel from certain countries, people on his side saying, that's awesome. And then the other side is saying, no way. And then when Obama signing executive orders, when he finally realized he had to his pen because he didn't have Congress, • • he, um, starts saying the people. •

Trump signed an executive order • • with regards to guns. You may recall • • • • he, uh, signed that executive order against that device that you could.

Yeah, the bump device. Yeah, the bump stocks.

Exactly. Right. And • • • • a lot of conservative people were like, Don that's not how you do it.

You can't do it.

That's just wrong. Look, maybe you want to do that. Maybe you don't want to do it. • Whatever. But go through the process of rule making a thing which Congress set up. And, uh, I have problems with their rulemaking, but, • • um, Congress deferring to lifetime bureaucratic, administrative agents. Right. But at least there's an opportunity for people to. There's a notice for rulemaking, and then there's a comment period, so • • people can at least oppose it and go on the record and make their arguments. But with an executive order. You're absolutely right, Steve. There's no process. It's just handed down by administrative Fiat. Like we have an Emperor instead of a President.

When I was in. What grade did we learn in Ohio about Ohio history? I think it was 8th, uh, grade.

That's exactly where I was going.

8Th grade, something like that.

Yeah, I remember my 8th grade, Ohio history. I can't say we always got along. But anyway, • • • I do remember this discussion. I think it was in that class • • where • even back then, it was very fundamental and elementary that if one person has the power to do it here, somebody else will have that same power to do it in a different place that you don't agree with. So it's the exercise of power that you have to be concerned about, not the outcome of the exercise of power. So • • if, um, Norm has the power to ban guns, or Biden does, • • then the next President is going to have the power to do something else using the same executive authority. And it's dangerous stuff. I hate it. It's a slope that has no end.

Well, let's talk about ghost guns and the completely illogical • • • • thought process that led • • • • • • Papa Joe to this insane decision. • • • • • • • • • • A ghost gun. • • • That's what they want to call this. So • • • you get a receiver from this company and a barrel from that company and a trigger kit from this company or whatever. And by the time you put a ghost gun together, you will have spent more money. These guns end up, uh, costing more money to put it together yourself than just going down to a retail store and buying an AR or an AK. Sure, these are generally not junk guns. They're, like, custom made. And do they have a serial number on them? Some of the components do, some don't. But here's the point. • • If you're a criminal, like this whack job that went on the subway system and shot a bunch of people, apparently for racial reasons, according to his, uh, • • YouTube, um, videos. So the perpetrator, the suspect in that question had a gun with a serial number. They traced it back to him, according to the news that I heard coming in here. • • What if he got out his $15 Harbor Freight angle grinder and before he went down to the subway station, just ground off that serial number, which is no big shakes. • • I mean, criminals have been doing this forever. If they don't want a gun to be traced, • • • they just grind the number off. It takes all of 30 seconds.

You're attacking the • • • proposed cause and effect analysis because it doesn't work. It's a non sequitural.

So the idea that a ghost gun won't have a serial number didn't emanate from a factory with a serial number that got handed to the ATF. Uh, a criminal who wants to do that with a gun that does have a serial number can take his Glock or his AK or whatever the hell he wants to buy. And in 30 seconds, obliterate the serial number that's on there. • • So this whole thing makes no sense.

It doesn't make sense. And this is my the argument. There's a lot of arguments I hate the most. One as we always do it this way. So let's keep doing it. Another is quote, we have to do something. • • •

I hear this all the time for the children, right? • • • • Or if it saves just one life.

If it saves just one life, then we should.

There's nothing that can save just one life, because doing anything will have, • obviously an opposite effect • • • • • of people. If you do try to save money.

There'S hardly ever one cause and one outcome. It's almost always • • a multifactor variable analysis. But we just got to do something. This is what I hear. What? We got to do something. We got to do something. So why don't we just, um, outlaw all ghost guns, even though it won't fix any gun crime? But we got to do something. Because what you're really saying is we know this isn't going to work, but we're going to do it anyway, because it looks good at the best case scenario. It looks good in some sort of virtue signal. At the worst case scenario, it's a plot. I'm going to call it. • • It falls in line with the plan to disarm the country. Well, Steve, you can see it analyzed both ways.

You're the lawyer in the room, and you probably • • • keep track of, • • • um, • • trends, FBI trends and prosecutorial trends. • • My understanding is from reading a little bit about this • • • • is that when these mayors in New York City, like Eric Adams, who, by the way, was a transit cop, which is pretty interesting. So we have a transit mass shooting, and his immediate reaction is, oh, no, this isn't terrorism. Oh, dude, it looks like Timothy McVeigh level domestic terrorism to me.

But it's left wing terrorism.

Yes, but it's not terrorism. • • • Anyway, • • • • • • • what I don't understand is that • you've got Chicago, La, you've got these big cities • • • whining that • • • • • these guns are coming from Southern States, or they're coming from out of state, and they're being trucked in and distributed to gangs and all this stuff because they don't sell them. But • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • here's my point. When they do catch people who are illegally trafficking in guns, the federal prosecutions of these, um, gun crimes is almost nil. • • It's like federal prosecutors consider this • • not worth their time. So • • • we have these laws on the books. They're very picky and choosy about who they prosecute, but they routinely do not enforce. And this is what the NRA always says. They routinely do not enforce gun laws against the vast majority of people breaking these because. • • • • • • • • • •

No, that's true.

It's perceived somehow as, • • • • um, selective prosecution against minorities or whatever.

Well, that may be true. It may not be. I don't know. I guess I know this in when Obama was President, starting around, • • • • • I started to get calls on regulatory gun crimes. And by regulatory, I mean like, the gun shops screwing up their form, too.

Wait a minute. I'm not talking about NFL dealers. I know, but • • they'll go after those people.

So those kind of gun crimes, the prosecution increased, • and I'm seeing it again. I've got a couple of calls recently of that kind of stuff, of course. Um, • • • but I won't say • • • • • I have no experience or no basis to say that the federal government is passing on trafficking and illegal firearms because of race or some other.

Well, there's stats on that.

Yeah, there may be.

There's been arrests and then they don't prosecute them.

Yeah. • • •

And pleaded down to nothing. • •

But see there again, this is where I need to know more, because I never trust either side with this kind of information. I would want to know if the gun charge wasn't charged, but the trafficking and drug charge resulted in ten years, • • because • • • that could be filtered out with a stat. And it would look like one thing, but really, there's another.

Well, these municipalities have, • • • inevitably, the toughest gun laws on the books, and they do not prosecute. They would end up prosecuting, uh, • • large numbers of • • • • • • certain color • • • males, • • • • basically. You're talking about huge numbers that would then have to go to prison. But say this, if they've charged them when they, um, find them with a gun.

Ohio has something called a firearm specification. So if I carry or use a firearm in the course Commission of a felony, • it gets a separate specification on my indictment. Meaning I've committed a robbery and I had a gun. All right. An armed robbery, you might say. In the vernacular, • • • the robbery in Ohio would carry up to eleven years in prison. And if you have a specification with a firearm, that's an extra three that you have to serve before you even start the 11th. I go to court and I negotiate the case. I'm trying to get it resolved. And maybe my clients already got some other stuff on his record or here or there, irrespective of color, race, gender, none of it matters. I would say I negotiate a case where he's going to plead guilty to one count of robbery, they're going to drop the spec and he's doing five to eight years, roughly. Say, now, on paper, it's going to look like the government dismissed a gun charge. • • In reality, there is a punishment that went along with it that was premised on the fact that there was a gun, because if there weren't a gun, probably the whole thing would have been less. And here's the problem is that the legislative body politically adds extra stuff like specifications. I'm working on a case right now. There was a gang related specification, and it added another three years to somebody's offense. And I looked at it all, and it's the most convoluted, murky piece of nonsense I've ever read. • • Nonetheless, • • • • • • • if I'm representing that person at the trial court level and I'm not, it's on appeal • • and, uh, the prosecutor decided to dismiss it, it could look like, well, they're being soft on gangs, but it's only because there was a stupid specification that the General Assembly created that is almost impossible when it comes down to realistic enforcement. So I'm not saying exactly that's. What's going on with guns, but I would need to know how cases resolved almost individually before I commented on whether people are soft on guns or not. It's sort of like the Katanji Jackson Brown, is that right? Yes. It's sort of like her with a child pornography. I don't know if she went too far. I don't know if she was too lenient. I don't know until I looked at the individual cases, I would need to know. And it matters because I do believe • • this is where I push back on a lot • • • • of sort of the hardcore tough on crime people. It's like everybody's tough on crime until it's their own son. And then they want to say, yeah, but what about the fact that he's blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and you get a lawyer and you go and you negotiate or you push or you do whatever, and maybe it ends up less for that person for good reason, and the judge goes along with it for good reason • • • • because you can't treat everybody the same. That is the reality in our world, because everybody's different. And ultimately, this is where we have to be careful. Now, I agree that we're going to see an increase in gun crime, but it will be like regulatory nonsense. And here's the other fear I have, Norm. With this new • • • ghost gun thing, • • • you're going to start seeing grand jury subpoenas • • • to manufacturers of these items, and they're going to want information about those who purchased them. • • • All right, so think about that, Norm. I send you a subpoena, and you have to tell me every single person who bought a break part from you, • • not only that, their phone number, their address, their customer number, their IP address, everything, because they bought it online.

Right?

Then the government compiles that information and now has it. So you have to ask what the real purpose is, because • • • we have to do something. • • Banning ghost guns is not going to change one Iota of the number of gun crimes that get committed, not one.

Well, • • • I just ducked, uh, gun crime, • • • um, • • • gun law enforcement, everybody from the Rand Corporation • • to the John Locke Society to the NRA, it goes on and on about • • that. We're not. • • Regardless of whether • • • • their point of view is we need new gun laws or we don't. They're all saying on all sides that current gun laws are not being enforced.

That's correct. Right. • • • •

And also a statistic that people the Rand Corporation • • study, uh, that I just saw said in the last 30 years, • • the use of guns and crimes has • • • • dropped • • substantially. • • But what has taken the place of the newspapers • • • and, uh, • • um, • • • the slow walk of media for things to develop and really, • • • • um, be understood before it's reported is we have this instantaneous, • • • • um, • • reflexive media that will take a local case that's not understood. Its context isn't clear yet. And it's instantly like this subway thing. It's instantly • transmitted on cable TV. • • • It's on the Internet. That's a new thing. And so people • • • • now think that crime is a much bigger problem than it actually is. Number one, that guns are a bigger problem than they actually are. Number two. And that, yes, there's been a spike in murders recently. And I think we can attribute that to some of Obama, uh, and some, • uh, • • of Black Lives Matter rhetoric. But in general, • • • • crime, uh, has been on a downward trend.

Well, it's been on a downward trend since it's sort of apex in the 70s when we had all this same nonsense going on. Right.

So we're reacting. We're reacting in a way that's a little bit, • • • • um, illogical.

We are attributing a cause the existence of guns to an outcome crime and saying that's the reason.

Well, Steve, • • • • • • my favorite example is the queue that you see in front of every elementary school in this city, in this county, in the surrounding counties, even in rural counties, like out in Licking County, where I live, where Moms and dads are sitting there in their SUV with it idling for 45 minutes while they move up in the queue and get in a position to discharge their kids • out of the car in the morning at school. And • • • • when you and I were kids, we walked. • • • • • I guess now we would be called feral children because I would just be kicked out of the house • • here. Normally, if you come back in the house here on Saturday, if I see your ass back in this house, I'm going to give you the vacuum sweeper and the laundry. • • • • • • • • • • Right? Otherwise, my mom's, like, get the hell out of here and go play with your friends. Do something healthy. Play baseball, throw football, go flip rocks in the Creek, • • • go do something outside. • • Get out there in the fresh air. Well, now, people, because of these guns, because of the image that they see on TV, they're certain their kids are going to get raped. They are certain their kids are going to get murdered.

Yeah, because every third person is a pervert.

Yeah, right.

And, you know, the homes around you, that dude there • • • • • • was convicted, • • • and they're going to be talking around.

Well, they're all going to get kidnapped because all of them, they saw, um, the Elizabeth Smart case splashed all over cable TV or this case or that case. And they're convinced that the crime is everywhere. It's ubiquitous. And instead of letting their kid walk two blocks to the schoolhouse, • • they're starting the SUV up and their slippers and wearing their MooMoo and their Rollers in their hair, and they're driving their kids to school. And • • • • • • • you just wonder • • • • • • • how freaked out how paranoid is our whole society getting when you won't even let your kid walk to school. It's, • um, • • • ridiculous.

This idea that the government can fix crime by implementing gun control • • is such a non sequitur, yet, uh, so accepted • • that it's hard to even argue against it. • • • • • • • They're going to ban ghost guns. They're going to ban AR fit. They're going to do all this.

Well, we're not dealing with rationality. That's the problem. • •

And • • it's not going to change a thing, not one thing. And • my argument against this stuff has always been the same. I will agree that if you could wave a magic wand and get rid of every gun on the planet, there wouldn't be any gun crime. I will not agree that there won't be some other kind of crime or some other kind of violence or some other. Whatever it is. And then you could say it's a matter of degree. Well, that will be less. All right, fine. But you're still back to that same impossible premise. You're not going to get rid of all the guns on the planet.

Well, this guy had a hatchet on him.

That's right. • • • There's some nice problems in England, too, right? • • • It's utter insanity to think utter insanity. It is complete insanity. And it's a result of bad policy. Look, enforce the damn law. We have every law in the books. Is there already • • that gives the government the lever to stop this crap?

Right? So you know what? The big discussion is just to move this, just shift it slightly. • • • Our favorite • • • topic, • hate crimes. • • • This kind, uh, of fits into that. The biggest topic on social media right now about the subway thing is. Yes. No. • Is this a terror crime? • • • • • • And people are getting obsessed with whether or not the police, the FBI, are investigating this as a terror crime or whether it's just, I guess, quote, unquote, a regular crime. And what difference does it make? I was going to say.

How do you change anything other than what he'll be charged on? Possibly.

But, I mean, you got 29 injured people. You got ten of them who were shot. And whether it was done out of hate or whether it was done out of just a Lark. Like a guy just rolled out of bed in the morning and said, you know what? • • I'm a little bored. I think I'll go down the subway and pop off some people. And he doesn't hate any of them. He's just doing it for kicks because he's a weirdo. So • • • • • • what fascinates me is that people want to debate whether it's terrorism or not instead of just, let's find this guy, let's prosecuting • • • • it's like the McVeigh thing, whether it's a domestic instance of terrorism. That's a nice essay piece. But at the end of the day, Tim McVeigh killed and his co conspirator killed a lot of people.

Yeah. So to call it terrorism doesn't change the act. No, it doesn't change the impact.

It starts to put dots behind it of who's behind it.

Right.

That's what they're trying to put out there.

Right. It becomes a political message at that point.

Right.

I don't see I'm one of these guys. When I was in law school, • • • I could care less about motive. Motive, to me was interesting only as a way to prove that that particular individual committed that particular crime. • But whether or not somebody did it, because. • • • • • • • • •

Here'S the other side of that, though. You would want to know. • • • Here's the problem. It's like we don't first define the terms. Now, I'll get back to that in a second. But you would want to know, is this a terrorist act? Because in my head, I'm thinking, um, there are other similarly oriented terrorists out there with an eye to do the same thing. And if it is one of them, this is a means to let us know we need to be on guard for this and go investigate.

Well, I think after they hit the Pentagon and the World Trade Center, • • I think public infrastructure.

If this subway guy were a member of, • • • • for instance, then I would want to know that, because then I would want to go investigate NTF.

Well, if he was, we'll never know that.

I'll tell you that. Now, if he were a member of some right, uh, wing Nazi fascist organization, I would want to know that, too. • •

Nazis are left wing. • • •

Yeah. They're going to call it a right wing. I agree with you. Right. We can talk about that history. But • • call it a right wing. I don't care. Any organization. Let's take the politics out. • • • • • • That's the best way to go. So if somebody who commits a crime is a member of a hate organization and is doing so in furtherance of that organization, • I want to know, because that means there's more to come.

Yeah.

If you are just giving it a label.

I agree with you in terms of policing.

Yes.

Yeah, I agree with you. And it's also interesting. • • • I mean, it's interesting in terms of what motivated people. That's fine. You bring, uh, in the criminal psychologists and go through all of that.

Now, that's important to me. But when you start using the terrorist label Willy nilly or the hate label or the hate label Willy nilly, it is of no investigative value. It doesn't change any of the outcome of what's happened or will.

People who are injured are still injured. The people are dead, are still dead.

And it gives the new talking points to push against the other side. That's all it is.

And it's their social media chatter up, right? Yeah, it's all done.

Let's clarify, because I did say this, and I'm glad you corrected me, because the fascists were not right wing. They were left wing. Anybody who studied history knows this. It was just an offshoot of the Communist. That's all this was. It was a different brand of communism, except it was called National Socialism as opposed to just socialism. The idea is the government commands everything. • • • • But, uh, it's still a socialist, • • • • uh, output. And it was a guy named Giovanni, uh, Gentile was the guy who schooled Mussolini on this stuff and he was a Marxist student.

So anyway, we can • • • the big battle for Hitler • • • in, uh, the Weimar Republic days was not between Hitler and the establishment. It was between Hitler's socialist party, the Nazis against the Red Communist socialist in Germany. And they had massive street battles between the two socialist parties.

Sure. • •

They weren't fighting against • • Ma uh, and Paul, • • • uh, • Weiner Schnitzel. • • • • • • They weren't fighting with the middle class. They weren't fighting with the elites. They were fighting amongst themselves as Socialists. And the first people the Brown Shirts went after • • • were the communists that were controlled by Moscow • • in Germany. That's who they had their big battles with. And • • • • • they were contending for which socialist group was going to come out on top and try to dominate the German political landscape.

Sure. And I guess just to take it a bit further, • • • • • at that point, it was Russia. You had this competition for power between the Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks. The Bolsheviks who sort of advocated • • • a violent, um, takeover. We got to do it now. And the Mensheviks were like, no, we're going to infiltrate the labor unions, do so with legal means. And, • uh, • • it'll just, uh, happen naturally because that's what Karl Marx says will happen. And turns out the Bolsheviks won because they were the violent ones. • • • • • • •

And then they • • kill orders out against killed everybody, right? Against the other party.

Yeah, they killed everybody. So • • • we can dig into, uh, that history some other day.

So how about those astronauts? How would you like to be on the International Space Station? • • • • We're in a space maybe a little bit larger than our studio.

They are not talking to you anymore. • • • • • • • • • • • • •

Let's turn the mic off.

We were playing chess yesterday, but we're not allowed to do that today, right?

Unbelievable.

Bobby, you're not allowed to play with Billy anymore.

Exactly. • • • • • • • • • • • • •

Anymore.

What this really shows is, uh, • • • the terrible outcome of Obama's decision to ground the shuttle fleet and we are 100% • dependent on either • • SpaceX • or the Russians now to get a US astronaut weekend.

But I think it's unbelievable. This is a jumping off point for another sort of one of my Esoteric Dribble discussions. And that is this, that • • on the space station, there are two different national groups or maybe more. And they're just hanging out, right? They're doing their scientific testing. They're playing games, watching movies, doing whatever they do day in and day out. They're hanging out. • • And, uh, I'll, uh, bet you they have become friends. I will bet you that they have become, • • uh, probably good friends. • • And none of this stuff would really matter now in our current day and age, with social media, • with the way we've isolated ourselves, with covet, with all this stuff. I've said this 100 times. It's like we don't get to meet anybody on a personal level anymore. And that's why I love the roundtable here, because I don't care what side of political you're on. If you come down here and have a discussion, it's usually pretty friendly. You might argue about facts and whatever, and you could have a debate, even a heated one, but it's friendly. Now, if you take that, if you prevent that, • and you just make it all this isolated, uh, • • • • • uh, collective identity of this or that or the other. So your identity is white male, and I'm a black female. And now we're against each other. But if we sat down for Thanksgiving, we could probably have a good time talking about who won the Detroit game. • • • • On a personal level, none of this • matters. So I can just see these guys up at the space station saying, what a bunch of dumb asses.

Exactly.

I'm not allowed to talk to you. It says I'm not allowed to talk to you, right? • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • Yeah. It's so stupid. • • It is.

You want to talk about that Court of appeals, uh, decision? Yeah.

Up at Overland.

Yeah, that's fascinating. So my understanding, I'll get the facts. • • I'm sure the details. • • •

Uh, I'm, um, going to do a breakdown on this, too, by the way. But anyway, go ahead.

Yeah, I'm sure the details • are, uh, not • • going to be perfect here, but essentially, three African American students • • went into this bakery. • • • • • They, um, stole things, and one of them assaulted or I don't know how many of the students they were students at Overland. I don't know how many of them participated in the assault of one employee of the bakery. The bakery is called Gibson's. I guess it's been there for over half a century. • •

Historic landmark.

So apparently • • • what happened? Um, they were charged by the police. They pled guilty. • • • • • The three African American students at Oberlin pled guilty in court • • • to theft and to assault. So they admitted the charges and they pled guilty in court. • • • The Oberlin newspaper, • • • • • • campus newspaper • • accused Gibson's • • • of racism • • in terms of, • • uh, • not welcoming in • • students. Uh, of African American heritage • • • • and, um, following them around the store, I guess, or in some other way, Treating them differently Than they would say a white Oberlin student. And Gibson sued Oberlin Because Oberlin, • • they, uh, oversee the student newspaper. They also put it out on the website and other ways, but • • it was in the campus newspaper. And, • • • uh, • • • • uh, the lower court • • • decision was upheld by the court of appeals. • • $25 million to Gibson's bakery • • for defamation, uh, and $6.2 million for legal fees. • • So a total of a little over $31 million was upheld. And the last I read, Overland was weighing its options. I imagine that they're going to appeal. They're, uh, going to do something Because that's a chunk of dough. But what it reminds me of Is the Nick Sandman case in Covington Catholic, Where • • • • • • media in this case, a campus newspaper. In Sandman's case, it was the networks and new York times, • • • • • um, • immediately and reflexively • • • • • accusing, uh, someone of being racist, and then that person filing a defamation • • cause, uh, of action. So, • • • • • • • uh, I wasn't there. Don't know what happened Other than what I'm reading in the court of appeals, uh, decision and in the media. But • if Gibson was defamed, • • • • I'm glad they got this award. • • • Uh, if those are the facts, and apparently they are.

Well, it would be interesting to hear read the story. Did they actually interview people that were haunted by the Gibson employees or management or ownership?

That would be a perfect offense.

What happened? • • • • • • •

Interesting, I got to read that article.

You would think Oberlin's lawyers would have thought of that.

He presented that evidence Rather than just hearsay by the press that it's been said. It's been said. It's always been known.

There's a couple of things. I mean, first of all, • irrespective, • you're right, Norman. The kids were actually shoplifting or dining and dashing, whatever would be. And I think that they had done it before, So they tried to stop it, and the kids were ultimately, uh, prosecuted. So then this sparks this debate, and the kids, the University kids • • • start the protest and all this other nonsense. And you're right, there was something published in the paper, but then you had • • a staff member, uh, a Professor, I believe, who got involved and started distributing pamphlets Saying that this bakery was racist, this bakery had a history of this, etc. • • • • • • • • • • • Because you would ask, how is Oberlin responsible for what its students are doing? And it wasn't just that. It was in their paper. It is that the hook was a professor, uh, was actually participating. An employee on behalf of Overland was acting in that capacity and disseminating material, • • • and that put them on the hook. • Now, they were sued for libel, slander, Maybe even, uh, • • • torture, • Intentional interference with contractual rights, Things like that. Because Gibson's went out of business. They've been there for 50 years, and they essentially their business dried up overnight as a result of what the University had said about them, and it was all false. • • So, uh, they go to court, and I think, I'm sure that Gibson's tried to settle and maybe even Oberland tried to settle, but they go to court, uh, and the jury says, enough is enough. We're going to give you 25 million. • • So it goes to a court of appeals, and the court of appeals is going to decide, is it too much? I mean, I'm sure there's other legal issues they were deciding, like, was liability established? But really, they were saying, Is this too much? And they said, no, it's not too much. And plus 6 million for legal fees. And here's where I come in. Here's why I like to chime in, because people are like 6 million for legal fees. But • • look at this for a second. This case has been going on since. Let me look at the date. How long ago is this? • • • • • • • 2018. Uh, 2019. So lawyers have been working on this now for three years.

Three or four years.

And they didn't have to. And what I mean by that is because • • when one of the parties acts in bad faith, in other words, won't settle or is taking a position that is untenable, • • you can end up with a legal fee award • • • because you, uh, shouldn't have had to do it, which was Oberlin.

They pushed it down the court, didn't they?

Yeah. So if Oberlon settles this thing, they probably could have settled for a third of that or half. I don't know what the settlement demands were. We probably will never know. Then they wouldn't have had the legal fees. They wouldn't have had all this. But you have to understand, I think it's easy to say, well, 6 million absorbing it. That's too much. Well, I mean, • how many man hours were spent prepping and working this case and trying the case and then having to go to the court of appeals? More than anybody can possibly think. • • • • • • It's a lot of time, a lot of effort, and a lot of risk, because the attorneys weren't getting paid. • • • • They were doing it on a contingency weren't getting paid. • • • And, um, imagine, uh, Gibson's. They can't go hire • • $500 an hour lawyers or $600 an hour lawyers, but Oberlin can. • • • And look what they're up against. So I love these Dave and Glass stories. I absolutely love them. I love it when there's, uh, a series on, • • um, • I don't know if it's Amazon or Netflix one of those, but Billy Bob Thornton is in. I forgot what it's called. But he's like this old, washed out, drunken lawyer who's a badass litigator, and he goes and takes on the big man.

Kind of like the Paul Newman Goliath.

It's called The Verdict. It's like the verdict.

It's like the verdict.

But that's what happened. I was going to do a breakdown on it, but the point is that Oberlin proved its case. Or forgive me, Gibson's proved its case. • Oberlin took a hard line position on settlement, I imagine, and they got their asses handed to him. They got the clocks going.

Well, and to Brett's point, if there had existed evidence • • • • of, um, past, • • • • um, • • • • prejudice by Gibson's, that would be a perfect offense. • • • • • • • •

To liability.

Yeah, but evidently, • • • • uh, • • • • • • • either • • • those proofs didn't exist.

Or Overland's attorneys were unable to • • dredge them and their news better newspaper better be taking a look at how they cover news • • • because they're reading brochures from a professor and firing it up. • • • • • • •

Uh, employees start disseminating stuff and acting under the course and scope of their employment.

Yeah, so one of my degrees was in journalism and at the University of Cincinnati. • • • • • • • • • • Um, • • • I was an editor, • • uh, one of the Editors for the student newspaper, The News Record. It was called, • • • uh, and I don't know if they, uh, still do a print version down there or not, but at any rate, we were overseen by a journalism professor. There was an adult in the room, so to speak. • • So every issue, • • • • • • um, • • • • • • • it was printed off campus by a contractor, but • • • our newspaper was overseen by a University employee journalism professor. Now, whether he did his diligence and read every issue before it went to press, I have no idea.

Well, this is the Rob Muse discussion. It's like the Section 230 discussion. It's like when you take editorial control • • and you disseminate information. Now you're taking on some liability. Now, if you just have a posting board, a Cork board where people just say whatever and everybody can say whatever they want to say, and you don't participate in any sort of censorship of that, then you don't bear the liability of slander and liable and those things. • • • • • • • • This, uh, is the University taking a position, • • • • • and it was false, so it caused damage.

Even in my role as, • • • uh, the arts editor, I go to rock concerts, uh, and do a review. So I remember the David Lee Roth Van Halen incident where I wrote an article. So I actually taped • • • so I could, uh, remember the order of the song. It's a little handheld micro cassette recorder. So I could then in my article, report • • • • • • what they did in the concert. And, of course, • • • um, • • that was, um, a famous concert because it followed hard on the heels • by the who tragedy down in Cincinnati, where there were, I think, six people crushed to death • • because, uh, • • • • • • um, they used non reserve seating. So it was first come, first serve. They opened the doors. There's a big rush of 50,000 people or 30,000 whatever the arena held. • And six people were crushed to death • • before the who, uh, concert even started. Dumb idea was • • • • • this ridiculous idea not to assign seats. So whether you arrive ten minutes before the concert or an hour ahead of time. • • • • •

It just shows you • • I know I'm going to shift you change the direction.

All I was going to say is I wrote then. So David Lee Roth, • • • • • • • • • • the Van Halen concert was the first one after that tragedy. Cincinnati didn't have any concerts for about a year. They bring in Van Halen, and • • • • he's a mischievous person, of course. And • • • he said something that they thought amounted to telling everybody to • • flick on their lighters and basically disobey the, • • • uh, • • fire code. Right. Uh, well, my little tape recorder was used by his attorney. I was the only person who recorded the concert.

They didn't have a board recording of it.

No, apparently not. Wow. So my little Microsoft didn't have one quote, so it was used to establish what he actually said as opposed to what the fire chief thought he said.

That's interesting.

So my journalism professor really, • • • • • my review of the concert included • • • • • • some criminal reporting. And the journalism professor really enjoyed that. But the point was that there was • • • University, uh, oversight of the campus paper. • • • Now, that's a state University. University of Cincinnati, Oberland's, private. I don't know how it works there.

Yeah, well, I mean, that's why I got sued privately. • • • •

They would be like Xavier or Kenyan College.

Yeah, exactly. But I'm going to jump off there. And you made me think of something, because this idea that • • we can do whatever we want to do, • everybody should have the same opportunity to get to the same seat • • • • is, um, a real good metaphor for what results when you don't have • • boundaries on • • • • behavior. Like you have to have a hierarchy. You have to. Because if you don't, it's chaos.

Well, they're all smoking and drinking. So you got people, you know, they're huffing and smoking.

Well, I make more money, Norm, so it's not fair that you get to sit in the front row and I don't. So we're just going to let everybody in and give everybody an equal opportunity. Well, then it killed twelve people. I think it was twelve. • •

Well, it's interesting, because now, if you think about it, those coveted front three, four, five rows that go for thousands of dollars. How did we miss that opportunity back in the 70s? He's like, you can pay, uh, $500 to see Bayonet Hale in front row. It's just amazing. But you didn't think about that at the time.

These artists have often taken a position that they don't agree with, that they don't agree with this capitalist approach at selling their tickets.

That's the only way to make money, though, is contract.

Of course, • • merchandise. • • • • • • • Um, • • • • • Pearl Jam has done this where they're going to control the ticket price and all this stuff. Look, I'm all for it. • • • • • • •

Rock does that, too.

Yeah, but you have to have some order to it. You can't just say, everybody do whatever you want, because people run around crazy and there is no order to it. And • it, uh, ends up worse. Ends up that nobody gets to see the show. It's like letting people pour over the border.

For instance, you shut down concerts for a year.

Where you shut down concerts.

Yeah. There's a great WKRP episode tributing that concert. • • • It's really good. Yeah. • • Krp in Cincinnati did a lot of • deep soul searching.

Controversial topics.

That was your radio here. • •

That's what got me into, uh, radio. Is that true? I love that show. But they covered a lot. • • • • • • They did a lot of payola stuff. They did • • • • the who concert, um, covered that. It's a really good tribute to that concert into Cincinnati. It's really good.

And they drop turkeys and they drop Turkey from. • • • •

Just to wrap this up, there was a guy, uh, who wrote a book. Cannot think of his last name. I think his name was Fuller. John Fuller, maybe. Anyway, he wrote a book called The Kids Are All Right. • • And it was about the, uh, who concert.

Good who album.

And, um, • • • uh, • • • um, • I got paid • • • • for, uh, my article.

Uh, did you really, man? Yeah.

So • • • • • • I, uh, was one of the sources. I'm in the • • • • • • couple of thousand a month royalty. It was like $500 • for a College student. That would blew me away. • • • • • I mean, that's back in the 80s, right? So I'm like $500.

You get noted in a book.

Yeah. Cool. Right? So naturally, he wanted a transcript of what was on that micro cassette. • • • •

We got about ten more minutes. Let's just tick off the. • I forgot, uh, I was calling them norms and Nuggets. Maybe. • • • •

Well, • • • • um, • • • we didn't talk yet about Disney, and I think it's important we got to talk about Disney real quick, because Disney owns more than what people think. They own ESPN. They, um, own ABC. • • • • • • • Disney Empire is now doing these mini Disney theme parks in • • • • Islamic countries • where being homosexual is a felony. You get killed, you can get tossed. Right. • • • • • • • • • • • •

The hypocrisy is what you're pointing out.

There's something deeply wrong • • • about • • special people in Florida, telling the vast majority of parents and I'm, including Democrat households, who overwhelmingly agree that nobody should be talking about the birds and the bees except the parents. With somebody who's a kindergartener, it's sick through, like, seven years old.

Sick. • • • • • • • Uh, I don't think seven is good enough. • •

Well, no, but, I mean, we're talking K through • • • God's sake.

Like, anything I try to do here, I try to turn it around. What if I, as a straight male, • • • • wanted to educate your child • on sexual conduct? Well, that's what they're, uh, engaged in. Sexual conduct. Heterosexually. • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • •

DeSantis legislation.

It doesn't say, don't say gay, right?

No, nothing like that.

It covers your straight male, of course, right?

It covers all of it.

It's any sex education. • • • •

It's preventing, • • I will say, by the school.

It doesn't mean that the parents.

The parents can say whatever they want • • • • to raise your kids. Raise them gay. You want to raise your kids straight? Raise them straight. You want to raise your kid as a man or a woman, do whatever the hell you want in your home, but the school can't do it. Cannot do it. And I heard this whiny ass • • • school teacher saying, well, I'm not going to be able to tell • • • • my kindergarten kids talking about his students, about what I did with my. I don't know if it was a man or woman, but my gay mate over the weekend and the activities that we engage in, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm thinking to myself. • • • • • • • • • •

I don't get this.

Well, there's a way for him to say, hey, me and my friend Bob went to the Zoo and we saw some really cool Tigers. You don't have to tell the kids.

I never talked to my kindergarten teacher about what they did on the weekend.

No, • • • • • I don't actually remember it. Right. But if a kindergarten teacher wants to go in and say, hey, my family and I went through plenty of ways to do that. There's plenty of ways without saying, by the way, we engage in anal sex.

Uh, • • • • • • • • • • • let's just say this. I think one of the teachers in my grade school was gay. Looking back on it and nobody cared. Wasn't brought up. It wasn't an issue. It was nothing. No, it was a complete nothing.

Kind of like Liberace going on the Johnny Carson show, right? They never talked about him being gay. It wasn't a topic. It was considered your private life.

Yeah. Now it was resolved. If the law said you're never allowed to talk about homosexual sex, but you can talk about heterosexual sex, I would have a problem with that too. You should not be able to talk about any sex • • • • • • with grade schoolers.

Right.

And I got a problem with sex Ed anyway. But beyond that, we're talking about young. We're talking about eight year olds.

So let me tell you what they did at my school. So 8th grade was when they brought in not only • a psychologist, but they brought in a biology, uh, • • teacher from high school. And this is at a Catholic grade school. And they just presented the physical process • • of how reproduction works. Reproduction works?

Sure.

Okay. We didn't get into • course there was. People are laughing and tittering and whatever your typical immature bullshit amongst the kids.

Normally throwing spit balls at the girl across the board.

Whatever. • • Wow. She has one of those. • • • • • • At any rate, • • it always very clinical, so to speak. It was educational. It wasn't to persuade us to do that. It wasn't to encourage us. • • • • •

Look, I'm perfectly capable of teaching my kids how not to have babies and how to make babies. And I don't need a kindergarten teacher doing it.

Right. • • • And that's all the lesson says.

Yes. • • And to that point of bringing in what the biology is of our bodies, I think it's important to know.

Absolutely.

Why is Johnny stink? • • Why is he stinked out? • • He's, uh, going through the puberty discussion. • • Because that makes sense to understand what we're going through, so it doesn't scare the shit out of you when you're like, Well, I got hair growing down here.

I want that conversation with my kids. Like, you got stuff going on down there yet, buddy. What's happening down there right now? And they get all embarrassed by it. But the idea is • • • • not parents.

We all remember the girls in 7th or 8th grade would have a little accident. There'd be a little blood under their desk or something like that, and they'd run out of the classroom and all that.

She would turn into a witch and start killing people using • their powers.

Well, that usually happens are 45 that's carry • 50. • All right, the Glenn Close movie. She pops up out of the bathtub. Yeah, I'll pass on that.

I was thinking of Carrie. Glenn Close is the Michael Douglas. • • • • • • • • • • • •

No, it did not. • • •

Uh, talk about a sex scene. That was like, one of the first big. • • • • I don't want to say a big one, but that was like that sex scene of them in the kitchen was in the. The kitchen. • • • • • • • • •

That girlfriend who will not go away. • •

Oh, yeah.

Boiling rabbits.

Yeah.

Wow. • •

I was looking at the sex norm.

You're looking at the Eagles • • • • • • stuff. That's the price to pay. • • Yes. I want to know.

There's a lesson there, right? • • • • Yeah. That five minutes of kitchen sex wasn't worth it.

Right. • • • • • • •

Okay, so the Disney thing is incredible. • • And some of the countries where Disney is expanding to. Let me read the list. Algeria, Egypt, uh, Libya, Morocco, uh, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Tunisia, Yemen and Palestine are going to have many Disney's now. How are they going? • • •

Do you think those countries are going to let them play cartoons with gay people making out?

No, dude, • • it's not going to happen.

No chance.

No • • • • Disney. • • • • This is what I don't get. I heard another commentator talking about this. I forget who it was, but • • brilliant comment. If I ran • • • a major Corporation and any number of political action groups or • • • complaint groups or pro this or antivat groups, whether it's the NRA or now • • • or whoever it is, Antifa, BLM, right, left, Democrat, Republican. I would not take a position. • • I'd be like, McDonald's. I don't think McDonald's has ever taken a position • • on very much. I would be like them. • • • • • • • I would be basically like, you know, I run a trucking company. Uh, or I run a restaurant, or I run • • • a tuna Canning company. • • We are not going to take a position, but they are every, uh, social issue. Just because you're pressuring us. We're here to serve everybody. We have no opinion about these social issues other than we're pro American, • • okay? We're pro everybody. And I don't understand why Disney or anybody else would immediately offend and alienate half the population. But they are stupid business. • • • • • • So many people will now not be going to Disney.

So here's what's going to happen.

It's unbelievable.

This is what they did to themselves. We're going to take this right back to where we started with California. You're going to start seeing backlash. You're going to start seeing an alternative market. You're going to start seeing others.

Well, did you hear Dollywood reservations are through the roof? Yeah, because people are looking for a wholesome environment to take their kids.

You don't want to be indoctrinated on gayness, straightness or any sexual orientation. When you go to Disney, you want to see Mickey Mouse with your toddler and then say, and ride a roller coaster mountain and talk about how that movie was awesome when you were a kid. I mean, that's all you want to do. You don't want this nonsense. They're charging you an arm and a leg for an experience that should be • • platonic. Uh, right. •

Basically. So I'll bet the stock for Six Flags and Dolly World just, uh, went up.

Probably. • • But the point is, you're going to see emerging markets that are going to start competing with Disney. These companies. I like to think that there is a market force into it that eventually • • • • • it can't, uh, sustain. • • •

Well, look what, um, Disney has done to the sports world. Because ESPN controls sports, • • • • • they have kind of ruined. • • • • • • • Even their • • • • woke commentators • • • • are, uh, really hamstrung in terms of what they can say on ESPN.

It's crazy.

It's crazy. • • • • • • • It's the most • • landmined, um, filled • • field you, uh, could ever walk into, • • • • • whether it was Kaepernick, uh, and the kneeling thing or whatever. • • • • • • • You can't talk on ESPN.

So you know what we need? We need, like, this alternative media platform • • • • where people can come, uh, in and • • • give real Truthful commentary about what they're seeing, what they think, and give their opinions and not be censored by people like Disney and just supply information as they see fit and have completely free speech experience. Man, I wonder if there is such a platform like that.

Right?

Wait a minute. We have one right here at 511.

Well, yeah, exactly. Because I guess Gil Brandt apologized for insensitive. Dwayne Haskins comments.

I saw what he posted, and it wasn't that. Look, • • • • • that's a • tragic scenario. But I saw what he posted. It was just like he was a struggling quarterback in the NFL and he's dead. • • • • • • • Was it insensitive? I don't know, but it was.

Somebody must have been.

It was factual. • • • • • • You can't tell me that he wasn't sad about it. He didn't mean it that way, and it was obviously didn't mean about it that way. But we don't care anymore. It's like you're canceled. I apologize.

Well, think of our great sports casters that we had in the past.

Like Howard Cosell. • • • •

He couldn't spend • • two minutes on ESPN. They would fire him.

Yeah, for sure. And look at him. He was Ali's good friend, and • • they made each other's careers • • • • like Cosell an old kodger Jewish man.

But he's a straight talker.

And Ali, he put it out there a black Muslim • • activist.

Sure.

And • they were linked at the. They were friends. They loved each other. Really. It's back to that personal interaction. They talk tough, and they went after, uh, each other.

It was unfarnished.

It was awesome. • • • Those guys going back and forth.

See, in what ESPN? I mean, if they had any brains at all, they would have people like that. That would ask Kaepernick the tough questions. • • • Yeah.

Dude, do you think you're good enough?

Dude, • • • • • • cops shoot way more white people than black people. The entire premise of Hands Up, Don't Shoot is all crap. And a real journalist a real • effect.

What are your stats? • • • • I wouldn't even go there with them. The first thing I would ask is, do you think you're fired or you think you were cut because you were black or were you good enough?

You don't even know what you're talking about.

Sports.

But this whole kneeling thing • • • • • • • • • • was based on crap. It was all just millionaires out there, right? Millionaires out there on the NBA court with things on their socks or little sashes on their sleeve or whatever. • • • • • These NFL helmets • • don't hate. • • • Who hates? • • • • • • Since when is the NFL and anti black what Kaepernick called it plantation. It's slavery.

And now he's begging for a job except for getting paid millions.

So he's begging to be a slave again. That's what he's current. He's trying out.

That's what I heard.

Yeah, he's trying out to be a backup quarterback after saying that it was slavery. So now he's begging to be a slave. Who's going to ask him these questions on ESPN? Nobody, because it's a monolithic left wing organization now.

All right, well, then we got to wrap it up. I will say this stuff • 511 could use a good sports show. We need a sports. • • • • • • • • • I'm putting it out there right now for the first time. Anybody who thinks they got the chops to come in here and do a sports show, right, do your own podcast. • • • Cover the sports Norm style. •

Cover men competing • • • • because they woke up and said, I think I'm a woman. • • •

Okay, cover sports, man.

Cover that guy. Um, cover breaking all the records in the swim pool.

We're looking for the next Howard Coast. We're going to launch you right here at Channel Five. One one.com. Send us an email. We'll get you plugged in with that.

That's what we're doing.

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