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Hello.

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Welcome back for another great episode.

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My name is Sarah Karakaian.

Annette:

I am Annette Grant, and together we are--

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Thanks for Visiting.

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We answer your questions here in the show.

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If you go to thanksforvisiting.me, upper right-hand corner is a

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red button that says, "Ask TFV."

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You can ask your questions about short-term rental or business

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in general, and we are happy to answer them here in the pod.

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We've got a great question today about when guests have

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pushback about price changes.

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Hey, ladies.

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Love your show.

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Thank you for all your tips and tricks.

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It really helped when we launched our third short-term rental.

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Anyways, my question is about the Andrew Kitchell episode.

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I think I'm saying that right.

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CEO and founder of Wheelhouse.

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Love Wheelhouse.

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It has really done a lot for specifically one of my properties.

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It doesn't work for all of mine, but for that one, it's really great.

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It caught a random day where we would've been offering the house

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for $120, and it bumped it up to 500 plus, and we got a booking.

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Crazy.

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I missed that there was a local event going on, and Wheelhouse got it.

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Anyway, my question is, we often will get guests who will book and then need

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to edit their dates, and after they go to edit their dates, they'll come back and

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say, hey, I was booking it at $200 a night and this extra night is $300 or something

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different than whatever the average rate that Airbnb was displaying was.

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And part of it's because Airbnb does that average thing, and part of it

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is because we have dynamic pricing.

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And it just puts a sour taste, I think, in the guest's mouth for me to say that.

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It feels super impersonal.

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So wondering how you guys approach that.

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First feeling is we love that you mentioned dynamic pricing,

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and Wheelhouse, and a specific instance, how it worked for you.

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So for everybody out there that's still questioning dynamic pricing, that one

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instance where there was a $400 gap in the nightly rate, that is going to

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happen more often than you even know.

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So there are events going on all the time that you are not going to be

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privy to, that you can't keep up on.

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So let the tech do that for you because those nights add

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up, and they add up quickly.

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That one night can be a big difference maker in your month, in your year, and

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just the overall health of your property.

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And then there were some key words I want to take away from that

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question is, it feels and impersonal.

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Those are all very, um, we're, thinking that.

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I don't know if the guests are--

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It's emotional.

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Yeah.

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If the guests are telling you that, but, um, again, we are hospitality,

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but we are a hospitality business.

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So Sarah, let's take it away with the way to hold space for the guest and

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help them understand dynamic pricing.

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And I will say, thank you the airlines of the world, the other hotels in the world,

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Ubers of the world where they are making it, basically by the minute changing.

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Um, so I think consumers are just learning a lot more about dynamic

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pricing and that prices change.

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And so hopefully those type of apps have helped us make this

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much easier because people do have experience with seeing prices change.

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By the minute with Uber or Lyft, by the hour, by the day with airlines and hotels.

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Before we get to the guest's perspective, let's talk

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about the host's perspective.

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And I think a lot of hosts out there, especially who are new to the game

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in the industry, they do feel dirty maybe is the word, or they feel--

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Icky.

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Icky.

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Yeah.

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She's the said--

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She used the word impersonal, and I do understand why you feel that way.

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And I also want to say, just because the airlines and Uber have the dynamic

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pricing, can't we be different?

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We're hospitality.

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But again, I implore you to really make sure you understand your numbers.

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And are you willing to leave money on the table to feel more hospitable

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or more accommodating to your guest?

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And just know how common it is, because it's not like this technology is to

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take money out of people's pockets.

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It's because your property is in more demand in those times,

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which is why the software is helping us price it accordingly.

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So to know that it's rooted in data.

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And with this script, we're going to give you--

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Some ideas on what to say.

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And at the end of this script, a way to hold space, make it

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feel not so impersonal and icky and still be an extremely hospitable host.

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All right.

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When you are met with some pushback from a guest who booked their dates--

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and first, I also wanted to-- sorry.

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I know.

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I'm going to get to this.

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But for anyone out there who doesn't understand what they mean by Airbnb

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posting the average rate, they'll do that.

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So what Airbnb will do in almost every OTA and maybe even your direct booking site,

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depending on who you work with, it'll fish for the lowest price you have available.

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So let's say your average nightly rate is 250 bucks, but if you have a random

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Tuesday night that you're willing to sell at 150 bucks, it'll say like--

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it's any other marketing strategies too.

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It'll say, from $150.

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And so a potential guest will say, well, wait, I thought I was $150.

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Well, that's the lowest rate, but that's that Tuesday that no one

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wants to stay at your property.

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And so that is built into not just Airbnb software but a lot of booking software.

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And something that's built into me as a person, I do want to offer

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this, is that I almost always ask for a discount or a added plus to my stay,

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so please don't feel-- I feel icky if I don't ask for something more.

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So I just want to let everybody know that there are consumers out there

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like me that will ask for things.

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And so it's just part of a strategy that I have, and I gamify things like that.

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So I also want to get some nos from time to time because it means that

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I'm stretching what I'm asking for.

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So let me put that out there too.

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Yeah.

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You never know what you're going to get unless you ask.

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So when you are met with a pushback, you want to think of breaking down

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your response into a few segments.

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Yeah.

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Because somebody's like, wait a minute, I just tried a book, and now it's $300 more.

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So first of all, you want to delight them with the fact

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that you are available and you can accommodate their date change.

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Remember, just because they want to change their date doesn't mean that

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your property's going to be available.

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So when it is, you can delight them with your availability, and then you

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can confidently stand with your rates.

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Make sure you reassure with them that you have done the work necessary in

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the background to make sure that your rates are competitive with your market.

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And if they are competitive, if they go look for

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those dates somewhere else, they'll see, oh, yeah, they're correct.

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Those are exactly right.

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And then you want to create urgency to book.

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A lot of us need a deadline to get something done, and there's

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strategic ways that you can do this.

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So they can just make the decision and stay with you because, be honest with

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yourself, they need to stay with you.

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You are the best host in your area.

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And also they've already done all the research, they've taken

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all the time, so you can create that urgency like, I know you've already

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looked at a lot of different places.

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We can assure you we are the best place to stay in our area.

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And then you want to give them a call to action.

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What do they need to do?

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They need to book with you.

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And then you need to thank them for their time and assure them that their

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stay is in the best hands possible.

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Here's an example.

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We've got something written, so if it sounds scripty, it's because it is now.

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"Hi, guest.

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We do have availability for your updated trip dates and would love to host you.

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You are seeing a difference in total cost because the new travel dates are during

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a very busy period in [insert your area].

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We are thrilled to still have the dates open to accommodate you.

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Once you have approved the change, you are all set.

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Thank you so much.

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We are very much looking forward to seeing you."

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Then if you get pushback on your response there, you can do one

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of two things or do both things.

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This first, one first, and then ease into the second one.

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"We are confident in the posted rate.

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We understand that this is no longer working in your budget."

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And you could also decide to say, "But we are happy to extend you a 5% discount

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off the nightly rate because we want you to feel whole in booking with us."

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5% is like, great.

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Especially if you could welcome them back for next year.

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Really help the Annette's of the world feel like they got something extra.

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Andmake you feel better.

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Feelings are real.

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So making you feel not icky, not impersonal, and feeling like you did hook

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them up with a deal, because you did.

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You did.

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So this is a great question, listeners.

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Use that.

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Don't just cave.

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Know your numbers.

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Like Sarah said, know your numbers in the beginning, and then you'll feel a lot

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more confident in answering this question.

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Absolute.

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Of course, there's a train going by right now.

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The train is like, yes, if you hear that.

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Yeah.

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It's rooting us on.

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All right.

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With that, I am Sarah Karakaian.

Annette:

I'm Annette Grant, and together we are--

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Thanks for Visiting.