Foreign welcome to a brand new week.
Speaker AI'm glad to be able to share it with you and join in.
Speaker AI am back again behind the mic to talk about something that I think is important.
Speaker ABefore I do that, just to introduce myself, I'm Dr.
Speaker ARay Mitch, your host of Unscripted.
Speaker AIt is the collected wisdom of life, living and sorrow.
Speaker AAnd I think there's probably a lot more to it than meets the eye, partly because of how much of our lives oftentimes are punctuated by sorrow.
Speaker ABut we really don't think in those terms.
Speaker AAnd that's what I want to address in one fashion or another.
Speaker ANow the reality is, is that there is a certain selfish part of me that is doing this because of the sorrow that I continue to feel.
Speaker AI had a good friend of mine of 34 years that died a year ago, and a lot of the anniversaries are starting to hit because we're past the midway point of February.
Speaker AAnd that was when I started to get updates and people telling me how he was doing and what was going on there.
Speaker AAnd I can just feel in various points in time in my day or otherwise, where I am thinking about it and it rests on my shoulders in so many ways, thinking back to that year.
Speaker AAnd that's really a part of sorrow is this aspect of anniversaries.
Speaker AAnd I spent a little time in another podcast talking about it, and if you want, you can go back and listen to was one of the early ones, so probably one through five.
Speaker AOne of those was on anniversary.
Speaker AIn a lot of cases we experience that kind of thing without really knowing it.
Speaker ASometimes we don't even identify that that's exactly what we're feeling and the thoughts begin to show up and the things that we feel show up as well.
Speaker ASo that's what Unscripted is all about.
Speaker AIt's partly that and partly about talking through the seasons of our grief and what they all mean and how we experience them and the things that are important to understand about them.
Speaker AAnd remember that grief is not just about loss to death, but it also is other losses.
Speaker AAnd while we may not go through the full range of emotions and anniversaries and everything else, oftentimes there's a lot in there that is very similar.
Speaker AAnd to some degree it is a.
Speaker AI was going to say a warm up.
Speaker AI wouldn't call it a warm up, but it is a playing through of things that we will experience again.
Speaker AAnd that is the inevitability of life.
Speaker AAnd life is continuous with death, not death discontinuous with life because death, ultimately the end of our lives, actually gives meaning to the lives we choose to live.
Speaker ASo what I want to talk about tonight is I've got it entitled From Formula to Faith.
Speaker AAnd it's not a topic we usually talk about or even really want to talk about.
Speaker AAnd part of the reason for that is that we really honestly don't even think about it.
Speaker AQuite honestly, I don't think when I point it out, people don't notice it really.
Speaker AAnd we as humans, we tend to see almost any situation in terms of if then, if I do this, then this will occur, or this person will say this, or they will think this or whatever.
Speaker AThere's always a if then in there.
Speaker AAnd that's something I call a formula.
Speaker AAnd our tendency is to take our relationship with God that same way.
Speaker AIt becomes a formula approach.
Speaker ANow, there was an entire group of people during Jesus Day that had put together an extensive library of formula about how to worship God, about ritual cleansing and cleaning, about all sorts of things.
Speaker ASome very minute, really when it comes right down to it.
Speaker AAnd for us it seems a little odd and maybe even ridiculous if you want to really stick our necks out a little ways.
Speaker ABut the reality is that when we're confronted with a novel situation, we want to make sense of it.
Speaker AAnd that really is a God given perspective or a God given quality that is designed into us, that we have curiosity.
Speaker AThe problem is, is once we land on a formula, the curiosity stops.
Speaker AAnd so when we watch other people navigate their sorrow, they navigate situations, they navigate relationships.
Speaker AWe think and we watch very closely.
Speaker AAnd what we tend to think is because it worked for that person, how did it work?
Speaker AWhat did they do, what did they say?
Speaker AThe problem is for most of us is that we don't know what they think.
Speaker AAnd we're probably not going to interview them about what were you thinking when you did?
Speaker AWhatever.
Speaker AOkay?
Speaker ABut when we see something work, for example, let me give you an example.
Speaker AIn the Christian life, when we see somebody who we think is the model of a quote unquote good Christian, I can't tell you how many times I've heard that word, that phrase.
Speaker AAnd it really sets my teeth on edge because we don't define, excuse me, we don't define what good is.
Speaker AAnd usually it's not good Christian, it's ideal Christian.
Speaker AAnd we're living up to a standard that we can't possibly keep, we can't possibly live into.
Speaker AAnd so when we watch somebody like that and it works well for them, they have a Vibrant prayer life.
Speaker AOr they seem to be able to pray in public really well.
Speaker AOr their worship is a particular way, maybe very exuberant or maybe very contemplative.
Speaker AEither way, and we look at that and say, I wonder how did they do that?
Speaker AAnd maybe I should emulate them.
Speaker AMaybe I should do that.
Speaker AThe problem, of course, with emulation is that if I simply emulate the behavior, then sooner or later, excuse me, sooner or later that will break down.
Speaker ABecause I don't have the motivation figured out.
Speaker AI don't have the why figured out.
Speaker AAnd so our tendency is to create a formula for how our spiritual life is supposed to look.
Speaker AFor example, particularly how our relationship with God is supposed to look.
Speaker AAs a matter of fact, it goes even farther than that.
Speaker AAnd it becomes.
Speaker AWe write a contract that God doesn't sign.
Speaker ABut if I do this, if I pray this much, if I have a quiet time, this many times, I've got a tickle in my throat, my apologies.
Speaker AIf I do all those things, then God will be close to me and my relationship with him will be intimate.
Speaker AAnd the biggest problem with that is, is that the minute we begin to create a formula around a relationship, we destroy the relationship.
Speaker AAnd that's what often happens.
Speaker ASo people end up wandering in the wilderness in their spiritual lives thinking that they were doing it all, quote, unquote, right?
Speaker AAnd they.
Speaker AThat didn't seem to produce what they thought it would produce.
Speaker AAnd then they're stuck.
Speaker AIt's like, where do I go from here?
Speaker AOr how do I make this any better?
Speaker AAnd so when something happens, we think, because it worked for the other person, it should work for me.
Speaker AAnd then additionally, we add in, what are the steps to doing it?
Speaker AAnd our questions tend to give away what our agendas are.
Speaker AAnd sometimes it's not questions.
Speaker AWe just listen for certain things, like how much time do they spend doing a quiet time, whatever that is.
Speaker AI mean, don't get me started on that one.
Speaker ABecause ultimately, ultimately we end up systematizing a relationship and creating a bunch of rules as to how it should go, abiding by and following those rules.
Speaker AAnd then when we get to the end, we wonder why God isn't waiting for us.
Speaker ABecause it was a relationship with rules.
Speaker AIt wasn't a relationship with God himself.
Speaker ASo what are the steps that I can do to do it like them?
Speaker AAnd is there a key here to how they did it that I can replicate?
Speaker ANow, remember, all of the focus entirely is on the outward appearances of it, not the motivations of the heart part of it and so, by thinking in these terms, our tendency is to apply it to pretty much everything in our lives.
Speaker AAnd the problem that comes out of it is it doesn't account for the impact of the Holy Spirit in it.
Speaker ASee, as long as things adhere to our ideas, our of how it should go, what the steps are, I repeat them and life goes pretty well.
Speaker AAnd if I do those things, then I will feel closer to God.
Speaker ANow I may for a period of time, but like I said, the motivations leak and before too long they're pretty well gone.
Speaker ASo when it doesn't work, it really doesn't work.
Speaker AAnd then we're really caught between a rock and a hard place because we end up getting angry because I did it the way I thought I was supposed to do it, and then it didn't work that way.
Speaker AAnd so what gives God?
Speaker AI did it the way youy told me to, or the way that yout showed me, or whatever other thing we can come up with.
Speaker AAnd so unfortunately, we seem prone to not learn from what doesn't work, and we stay with what is comfortable.
Speaker AAnd that is the formula and repeating it over and over again.
Speaker AUnfortunately, if you add.
Speaker AThere are certain formulas, even in chemistry, I think that if you add too much of something, you have an explosion and if you had too little of it, you don't hit the mark and it's not what you hoped it would be.
Speaker AAnd so the problem in our spiritual lives is that God doesn't comply with our formulas because there are unwritten contracts on how he should behave in accordance with our behaviors.
Speaker AAnd when that doesn't happen, then we're usually really caught.
Speaker AAnd so our formulas, even our contracts, are built on how do I control my world, control how people think, control what I do in order to.
Speaker AThere's the then in order to accomplish certain things, God being closer to me, me feeling settled in what my direction is or what my decision might be.
Speaker AAnd it just further confirms that we live in an if then universe rather than one that is actually open to the movement of the Holy Spirit in our lives and, and even those around us.
Speaker ABecause if we dispense with the formulas, then we have really a wide open world that is a world to discover rather than one to control.
Speaker AAnd the bottom line is our formulas, our formulas, it doesn't really require any trust of God's heart for us.
Speaker AThere's no requirement on that.
Speaker AAs long as I do the formula right, and God does what he's supposed to do, then everything's good, right?
Speaker AAnd so that's why I entitled this whole thing formula or faith?
Speaker ABecause faith is built on relationships and trust.
Speaker AAnd there's one thing I say over and over and over again, and that is trust and control cannot coexist.
Speaker ABut ultimately, when we're all about if then statements or formulas, we only trust our ability to figure things out and make them happen.
Speaker AWe do not trust what God will do.
Speaker AAnd in a lot of cases, when you press real hard, most people think God will force us to do something we don't want to do, which is antithetical to his nature.
Speaker AI mean, it truly is, if you understand God's character.
Speaker AIt's not about forcing people to do something they don't want to do, but it is about inviting people to do something that they're not sure about or they don't know about, anything like that.
Speaker AAnd I think in a lot of ways we have to have that be reflected in our relationships too, is that we invite people into the kind of relationship with us, whatever that might be.
Speaker AAnd I think pretty much anybody that might be listening all dozen of you hate being pigeonholed.
Speaker AWe really hate being our voice taken away from us by the voice in somebody else's head.
Speaker AThe problem is that we're doing it with other people as well as they are doing it with us.
Speaker ASo what exactly are we relating to or relating, period?
Speaker ABecause the reality is that where we relate is in our heads, not in the space between us.
Speaker ABecause the space between us is the most dangerous place to be.
Speaker ABecause it requires vulnerability and it requires coming out from behind our stained glass to be seen as we are.
Speaker AAnd we don't trust people to accept us as we are because we don't accept us as we are.
Speaker AAnd that's ultimately kind of a minor detail, but it is part of it.
Speaker AAnd so formulas or trust or formulas or faith are a big part of our journey, I think, even into the land of sorrow, which is what I connect up with, with this particular podcast.
Speaker AAnd I'm probably more sensitive to it than most people, you know, because I've written a book about grief, and actually I've written two books about grief, but I'm sensitive to it in our lives and how much depth it brings to our lives by allowing sorrow to exist.
Speaker AIt is no accident that a lot of the, probably a third of the psalms, I may have that a little too elevated.
Speaker ABut even still, many of the psalms are psalms of lament.
Speaker AAs a matter of fact, Jesus dying words on the cross were from one of those.
Speaker AMy God, my God, why have you forsaken me.
Speaker AAnd that's lament.
Speaker AAnd so if we're going to be frightened away from going into that place, we are then frightened away from living life in trust and vulnerability.
Speaker AAnd we don't like vulnerability.
Speaker AI don't know anybody who does.
Speaker AAt the same time, it is absolutely necessary for our growth, for our connection, for our sense of belonging.
Speaker AAnd if we are revolting at the idea that there is actually this thing called vulnerability, I'm not talking about vulnerability from things that have already happened.
Speaker AThat's not vulnerability.
Speaker AIt is, particularly if I'm sharing something that somebody else may not know.
Speaker ABut vulnerability, the true character.
Speaker AVulnerability is what is going on right now, not what has been going on or has happened, and we've had some resolution to it.
Speaker AThat's a story to tell, but that's not vulnerability to share.
Speaker AAnd that's a big part, I think, of what we're talking about here is that faith requires trust.
Speaker AAnd the reality is, as humans are a very, very, very unreliable bunch who our trust can only be conditional at best.
Speaker ABut even so, with those people that have demonstrated to us that they're safe enough for our vulnerability, it enhances in remarkable ways our connection to them.
Speaker AAnd so one of the things I have so many stories from doing groups with students that are part of my grief and loss class, and this semester is no different, because once one person walks out on that limb of vulnerability, there are probably a couple other people that before too long joined them out there on that limb, not to just make sure that they don't feel alone, but more because they are saying with a loud chorus, me too.
Speaker AAnd that's a big part, I think, ultimately of building and making community, which ultimately was the vision of sgi, was how can we move from behind our stained glass to be seen and known as we are and invite other people to do the same, not create conditions or not create bargains that if I come out, you'll come out, but go out, because I need it.
Speaker AI need to be seen.
Speaker AI need to own myself enough to say what's going on in there.
Speaker AAnd in a lot of cases, if I don't say it out loud, I won't own it, and it remains hidden and I remain invulnerable.
Speaker AAnd CS Lewis goes so far as to say we become unbreakable.
Speaker AAnd so it is a big part of what we say.
Speaker AIf we believe community is an essential part of our relationality in God and with each other, then what are we going to do with vulnerability?
Speaker ABecause in a lot of Cases we talk a good game, myself included.
Speaker AI'm not throwing any stones at anybody.
Speaker ABut we talk a good game, but we don't act on it because we're afraid.
Speaker AThe bottom line is we're just afraid, not so much of the other people.
Speaker AThere's a fair amount of fear about what other people might think, but a lot of times the fear isn't of them, it's of us.
Speaker AWe're afraid that if I actually say it out loud, then we will have this huge wet, damp.
Speaker AThat's kind of redundant.
Speaker ABut anyway, wet, heavy blanket of shame that gets thrown all over us.
Speaker AAnd it's not gets thrown all over us.
Speaker AWe take it on because we're sure that we're worthy of being condemned rather than connected to.
Speaker AAnd so when those moments occur and we find the courage to be able to share fully from our hearts which is what courage really means or is one of the definitions of it.
Speaker AWhat we find is people more than willing to move into that place with us and offer us the grace that we find a really hard time.
Speaker AWe find ourselves having a really hard time sharing with ourselves.
Speaker AAnd so that's true for sorrow.
Speaker AIt's funny how sorrow and our sense of grief tends to sidestep all of our defenses and we can't seem to avoid it.
Speaker AAnd it just really does live there and it sometimes even hijacks us.
Speaker AAnd that's not all bad.
Speaker AI mean, a lot of times the only way that it comes out is by being hijacked because we have got things so well buttoned up that that's just the way it's going to be.
Speaker AAnd so is it faith or formula?
Speaker AFormulas are safe.
Speaker AFormulas are about my control over the world around me and other people and what they think, which I say I don't believe I have.
Speaker AAnd.
Speaker AOr faith.
Speaker AAnd that's not just faith in humans.
Speaker ALike I said, they are terribly unreliable.
Speaker ABut faith in God himself.
Speaker AThat if I live my life this way and live my life trusting the vulnerability with safe people, not just anybody.
Speaker AThat's not what I'm saying.
Speaker ABut trust my life with safe people.
Speaker AI'll find connection and I will find belonging.
Speaker AAnd I might actually learn how to redefine what grace really looks like.
Speaker ABecause right now we've got a incredibly distorted level of understanding about grace in spite of it being central to our faith.
Speaker ASo I think that's it for tonight.
Speaker AI can't really think of anything else to add.
Speaker AThe question to you is, is it going to be faith or formula?
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Speaker AAnd that is it for tonight.
Speaker AI pray that you have a wonderful week ahead, or if you're listening to this, halfway through the week, the rest of your week, whatever that might be.
Speaker AAnd consider.
Speaker AConsider how often you spend time creating formulas to live life by rather than figuring out that maybe it's a life of faith that I'm searching for and what kind of risks do I need to take in trusting the people that I have that I know are safe?
Speaker AThey made the deposits into me to demonstrate that and begin to test out living vulnerably with vulnerability in the things that are going on right now, not the things that were.
Speaker ASo that's it for tonight.
Speaker AThanks for joining me.
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