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They will ask why. Why did they do that? Why am I not doing it for the next generation?

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And that will cascade down the years.

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You and I, this podcast is probably going to be gone in 10 years.

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It'll be undiscoverable in 50. And our names will not be shining there in 100 years.

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But the impact we make and the impact that cascades down, that is why we do this.

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Danny:
Hi, and welcome to 5 Random Questions, the show with unexpected questions

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and unfiltered answers.

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I'm your host Danny Brown and each week I'll be asking my guests five questions

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created by a random question generator.

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The guest has no idea what questions are and neither do I, which means this could go either way.

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So sit back, relax and let's dive into this week's episode.

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Today's guest is Ewan Spence. Ewan is a freelance broadcaster and journalist

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and has been the UK radio commentator for Junior Eurovision since 2013 and a

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US radio commentator for the Eurovision Song Contest since 2018.

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As Scotland's first podcaster, he

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was nominated for a BAFTA under Best New Creative Media category in 2005.

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Ewan co-founded Eurovision Insight in 2010 and under his editorship,

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it has grown to become an influential force in the world of the Eurovision Song Contest.

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He hosts its weekly Insight News podcast, the annual Jukebox Studio Review Show

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and the daily coverage from backstage at the Song Contest every May.

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Danny:
So Ewan, welcome to 5 Random Questions.

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Ewan:
Good afternoon, good morning, good evening, as my cliched intro is done for 25 years now.

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Yes, hello, have the normal introduction. Everybody who's heard me before now feels comfortable.

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Danny:
Exactly, exactly. It's funny, I used to do that intro when I did the In and

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Around podcasting show with my colleague over at Captivate, Mark,

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Mark Askaway, if that was like what we did was

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Good evening, good morning, good afternoon, good evening. Wasn't that,

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it was a live stream we used to do, Captivate. Anywho, went off a little tangent

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there, but I hear you there.

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You've got to be there for all your audience, right?

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Ewan:
What is the, oh, you definitely have to be, but I'm also wondering what's the

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over-under on us going off on a tangent in this podcast?

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Oh, well, we've already gone, mate. You know, didn't even get a minute into

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the introduction there, but it's all good.

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And being from the UK myself, I mean, I've been away from the UK for years,

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but I grew up with the Eurovision Song Contest, and it was always a huge part

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of me as a young lad and a young man back in the UK before I did leave.

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For obviously Europeans, Brits, etc. It's a very well-known and much beloved,

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sometimes much maligned institution.

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But for anybody else, North Americans, Australians, anybody that doesn't know

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what the Eurovision is, what is that in like a little 10,000 foot nutshell?

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Ewan:
I'm pretty sure most of Australia gets Eurovisioned as well.

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Oh, cool. So, you know, they've entered for the last 11 years.

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They've broadcasted it since 1980. And because they have such a large first,

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second, third generation of immigrants, you know, you'll find the Greek quarters

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of the major cities all ready and getting ready to vote and doing all of that.

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But essentially, it's the most stupidest idea in the world that would never

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get past a pitch stage in modern television.

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Each broadcaster, one from each country, chooses a three-minute song.

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They send it to an arena somewhere in Europe they

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spend millions and millions of pounds doing this great big production that tests

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new technology and broadcasts all of this music and then everybody who's watching

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decides what the best song is with no criteria judgment whatsoever and whoever

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wins it has to host the shenanigans the year after.

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Danny:
And you mentioned, I mean, shenanigans, I feel, is a great description for the

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contest, because it is very much, I mean, you've grown up, you know,

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watching it from its early days, and my early times watching it was probably the early 70s.

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So I remember ABBA winning in 74, for example, Daniel O'Donnell winning...

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I just want to say, 1974, the Netherlands were robbed.

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Yeah, if de Gaulle hadn't died the week before, and France had still entered,

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the Dutch would have beaten ABBA, so...

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Danny:
There it is first controversy of the episode I love it, love it but it's one

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of these things that you said it yourself mate,

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it's not something you would ever expect to be a success but it's been gone

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for decades and I mentioned myself that it's much loved but it can also be much maligned, do you feel

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it's gotten less maligned and people are accepting and respecting it more now

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or does it still got that sort of Terry Wogan joke feel kind to you?

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For our outside of the uk honestly we should know that

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terry wogan um was a dj um

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with uh bbc and a television host and

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certainly took quite a wry and ironic look

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at the contest i think he was said that you

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know if there's a duck on stage you have to go there's a duck on

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stage but to do it to a later degree he

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started to get just a little bit too acidic and he

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would complain that the duck was coming over to the uk and taking everybody's

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jobs so i think that eurovision reflects the broadcaster that is broadcasting

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it so for example yeah the uk has always been very sort of oh you know we've

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got much better music industry we'll just we'll just send black lace to you in 1979.

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But then there are other countries which it's not

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only just deadly seriousness it is an important part

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of their psyche so for example when the

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berlin wall fell um and the wall

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of communism waved back and you had all of these eastern

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european countries who were now countries in their own right

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and they ran to the contest they were like we want our three minutes because

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if estonia is on stage at eurovision we're estonia we're a country we've made

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it uh you know when When you're talking about in those Warsaw Pact countries in the 70s and 80s,

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people were trading blank tapes of the Eurovision Song Contest because they

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were both illicit material and what was available in the West.

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It was seen as a shining beacon to those countries.

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But in terms of controversy, obviously, you know, right now there are some huge

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issues around the contest.

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When you have something that is broadcast around the world and each of those

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performers represents a broadcaster but is underneath the flag of their country,

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then the geopolitical situations around the world, and those situations are

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beyond the scope of this podcast,

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they have an impact on the contest.

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So can it be seen as quite kitsch?

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Yes. Can it be seen as a serious musical endeavour?

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Yes. Can it be seen to holding up a mirror to society and society does not like

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the reflection that is cast back on it? It is all that and more.

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Danny:
No, I hear you. Like I mentioned, I'm not in the UK anymore,

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but I still keep up to what's happening in the UK.

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And obviously globally, my wife calls me her news beacon because she doesn't

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want to watch the news or anything.

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And you're right. It's like there's a lot of discussion about our country is

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going to boycott the next Eurovision because of, you know, what's happening

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geopolitically, et cetera.

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So I completely hear you. And it makes sense that, you know,

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smaller countries that have become standalone countries and got independence, et cetera,

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revere the fact that they're in there and want to make, you know,

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want to solidify their place as a new country, as a respected country.

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So I completely hear that. and it's yeah it's it's one of these things if you've

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never watched it i do implore you to watch it because there's always at least

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one act that just is completely out of left field and you think this is what

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eurovision is all about and

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Ewan:
The great thing about that is if we compare notes of the 26 songs that make

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it to the saturday night grand final i reckon that song's a bit out there.

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Everybody would choose a different song all of those

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songs for one person be like that portuguese song it's so out

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there and others would just go yeah they're just celebrating the

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carnation revolution this is a piece of important history for portugal and

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others would just go no no no it's definitely out there

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but it's not out is there as much as finland i would just

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go well yeah that's just standard finished thrash metal

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with a band called steel reinforced concrete yep they do

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that all the time next and that is the delight of

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music that everybody can love different things

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it's part of the the joy of the contest over its 70

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editions which is there is no genre limitation

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really the only limitation is three

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minutes six people on stage and away you

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go but you know that's the same as podcasts what

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what could be one person's podcast is being completely

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and utterly out there it's somebody else going yeah that

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that's what we talk about at university and that's what we do all the

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time and i think that when while the

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eurovision song contest is one to many the strength

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of podcasting has always been not necessarily

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one-to-one because we all like our audience but it's

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the fact that individuals can do many to many it's that

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you can individually do one to many what

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would require hundreds of thousands if not

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millions of pounds or euros or dollars or canadian

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dollars invested in in hardware you no

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longer have that i think that's one of the things that attracted me back in.

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2004 2005 it's just like i've got a laptop i've got a basic mixing desk you

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don't even need the mixing desk to be honest but but it was there and that that

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gateway opened up and i was so happy to run right through it.

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Danny:
No no 100 and i i completely i could talk to you on a completely different show

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and a different episode about podcasts until the cows come home.

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But Mr. Spence, we do have you here to put you on the random questions hot seat.

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So if you're ready, I shall bring up the random question generator and we'll

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see what questions we have for you this week.

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Alrighty, yeah, this is a fine one to open up proceedings with.

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Danny:
Question number one, Ewan, if you could invent a holiday, what would it be?

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The thing about holidays is they're all individual. Yes, everybody has a summer

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holiday, but summer holidays go to different places.

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Might be Universal Orlando, it might be a bus to Greece, it might be down to

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the pier at Margate, or maybe you mean Saints holidays.

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Ewan:
Actually, what I think I want here is the holiday that was invented by Billy Connolly.

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Now, Billy Connolly is a stand-up comedian from Glasgow.

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I'm pretty sure that he's known worldwide.

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But if not, just go onto YouTube, find some clips.

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He's been performing since the very early 1970s.

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Very thick Scottish humour, very improvisational.

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And if you've experienced him, you will know what I mean. And if you haven't,

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then you're in for an absolute treat.

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But Billy Connolly always said that when he was working, he originally worked

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in the shipyards, that when he worked in the shipyards, he always made sure

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that one of his holidays was his birthday.

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He would always take his birthday off.

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And that's the holiday I would make.

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In the same way that your standard contracts are, you get Christmas,

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you get New Year, you get the bank holidays. it would be part of employment

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law that you get your birthday off.

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Now, okay, if you want to do that in lieu or anything, well,

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you know, if you've got one of those unscrupulous employers who go,

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oh, you have to be in, we'll give you a day in lieu. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

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You get your birthday off because that is a holiday. It's personal to you.

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It can mean something, whether that's just having a lie in in bed,

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whether that's going out for a longer walk, whether you look forward to those

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years when your birthday is on a Friday or a Monday and you go, hey, long weekend.

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And I think that everybody just taking that time for themselves is a present

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and is a gift and that should be mandated by law.

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Danny:
I like that. I know there's been some businesses recently, and I say recently,

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the last five, maybe 10 years, that I've noticed that they will include,

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you know, you get paid time off on your birthday.

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And I've seen that it's not so much larger corporations because generally they

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don't want you to have time to yourself.

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But certainly smaller businesses, startups, stats companies, etc.

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Very much geared towards work-life balance and the health and well-being of their employees.

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One thing I'm curious about, and I like the idea of taking your birthday as a stat day.

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There are some people, and whether it's right or wrong, I'm not here to judge,

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But there are some people, understandably, don't like birthdays because at times

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it can remind them that they're getting older.

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And as you get to a certain age, you start to think more about your own mortality,

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what you've done, what you've not done, etc.,

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And I feel you've covered it with saying you can do what you want on that day.

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But for people that may not celebrate their birthdays because of these very

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reasons, what would you say would maybe be an alternative for them, possibly?

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I mean, the obvious answer and counter, I guess, here is Christmas.

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Some people don't celebrate Christmas, but you will still have those large offices

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closed down for the holidays.

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So there's already precedent of you're

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given a holiday for something that that you don't do uh so you know you do have

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the in lieu you do have the options for that and yes mandating everybody off

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is probably slightly too left-wing for for most people but i think that that's

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a situation where it's individual choice,

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You can do what you want on that day. You get it off. I mean,

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you could just maybe tell your work that your birthday is a different day.

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You could just go, you know, you know, I celebrate my birthday the week before

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my actual birthday because that's when my mother went into labor.

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So I have to celebrate it seven days beforehand. So there you go. You're getting your.

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Well, how about we change it? You have to nominate a birthday day.

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I like that. You might want to be guaranteed your wedding anniversary off.

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Or the time that Scotland won the World Cup.

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This is a fictional podcast, obviously. We will go out on goal difference to Paraguay, I think.

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Moldova or something like that. Yes.

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Yes, Scotland. Rubbish your mouth

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until you ask us to calculate goal difference. We're very good at that.

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So maybe we should change it very slightly away from Connolly's original idea

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and you're allowed to nominate a birthday celebration day holiday.

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But, you know, it's still going to be called the Billy birthday rule.

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The Billy birthday. I like that. No, I like the fact that you mentioned.

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And even the idea of a week hourly, because that's when your mum went into labour.

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You know, that's also giving thanks to your mum for, you know.

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I mean, your mum won't want to be reminded of it.

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Well, yeah, exactly. We've got two teens now. Our daughter's 14.

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She just had her birthday yesterday, 14th birthday. Our son will be 16 in May.

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So we've been there, we know the joys that you have as a parent.

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So I hear you now, but I do like that. And I think that's a nice one to ease

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into the random questions for today.

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So on that note then, let's have a look at what question number two is.

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Okay, I'm going to go over this. It has been up before with other guests,

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but I feel this follows on a little bit nicely from your first question.

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So question number two, Ewan, describe your perfect day.

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Apart from avoiding the obvious pun into the Lou Reed song, I think that's tough.

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And I think that's a tough one to answer because...

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I like difference. I like change. I like a lot of normality as well.

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So I can tell you right now, wherever it is, I'm going to wake up in the morning.

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It's going to be cereal. It's going to be two slices of toast,

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and it's going to be a really big cup of tea for breakfast.

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But at the same time, it may also be, you know what, we're just going to make pancakes as a family.

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So, and you know, and if it's a, if it's a weekday, it'll be brand flicks.

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And if it's a Saturday, Sunday, it's going to be honey nut cornflicks.

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But a lot of my life is both regularity, but

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a lot of it is also going away to do silly

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things or things that people

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look at me and just go really like backstage at the Eurovision Song Contest

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you know I started doing that in 2009 in Moscow and to me that is a completely

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regular thing that's done every year certainly up until the pandemic but to

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others it's just like the most amazing unique weird thing in the world,

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i i do baseball commentary in scotland now to me it's just like yeah we do baseball

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commentary for everyone else is going but it's in scotland so you know to me

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what is just a nice thing to do on a day.

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Is can be just both really out

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there or really sensible it's a bit like going back to music going back to podcasting

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and i enjoy so many different things to go what's your perfect day is is like

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asking what's the weather outside you know do i do i have bran flakes or do

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i have honey nut cornflakes straight away it's just like i can't get past the defining of breakfast,

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so i think it has to be a much more emotional answer it has to be something

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that quietly challenges me.

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Not enough that I get frustrated, but something that puts me into a zone where

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I'm learning, where I'm doing, where I'm experiencing.

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It has to be something, like, it's probably going to be something showy.

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I do a lot of stuff writing for people to read. I do a lot of stuff talking with people to listen.

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I rarely do video because I like, don't want to burn anybody's eyes out.

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And the old joke of I've got a great face for podcasting.

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Scotland's first podcaster agrees. This is the rule. It's set all the way through.

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The only Scottish person you're allowed to watch in a podcast is David Tennant.

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And believe me, you have a wide choice of podcasts to choose from.

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So it is going to be something showy like that.

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I guess it's going to be like the next step up in something that I do.

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A bigger podcast, a live podcast, a live commentary in the next tier up in sport, a larger venue.

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So it's going to be something like that of something that I do, but taken one more step.

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But i'd be struggling to actually say which one that that's that's like a you

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know if you're flying southwest airlines and the air and the oxygen mask drops

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you put it on yourself first and then you choose which child you love the most

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um and it's only in those moments that you realize oh i do have a favorite i've.

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Never thought of it that way but um yeah that would be interesting to like have

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your both kids either side of you okay you're first here you go but i'm i'm

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wondering because obviously you've got a varied professional background and

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what you do professionally as well as personally as well.

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So yeah, let's see the Eurovision's held in France and the World Cup is held

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in France. I think it's actually maybe in France in 2030. I could be wrong. I don't know where it is.

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A bigger live stage. Maybe the winner of the contest performs live at the opening

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ceremony of the World Cup final

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and you're there presenting both the winners and you're also expanding from

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baseball, which is strange for Scotsman to be talking about,

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but expanding from baseball into football, the lovely game, the global game.

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And it's our beloved Scotland that's in the final against Brazil.

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Maybe that's, you know, and we win, which I mean, it's not a realistic perfect

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day, but it could be a good day to spend and mix up things.

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Ewan:
Curiously enough, and you go there on baseball, is I'm not actually that much of a football fan.

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Um, most of my sport love is baseball has been for probably about 18 years now.

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Um, and sport wise for a long time, it was formula one.

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Formula One, let's just say that the incident in Abu Dhabi, and people who follow

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Formula One will know the one I mean, just left a little bit of a bad taste

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in the mouth, and I've kind of fallen a little bit out of love with that.

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So, sports-wise, it really kind of just sits down now at the hardball.

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The American football, if it's a Sunday night and it's on, I will put it on.

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But other than that, sports aren't really the traditional Scottish ones.

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Danny:
Okay, well, will you be watching the Super Bowl later this time?

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Oh, still be watching the Super Bowl.

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Still be watching that,

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Yeah. And the great thing I love with the Super Bowl is whenever you go on to

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what was Twitter, I suspect we're doing it, everybody does Advert Watch.

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Have you seen Advert Watch go through? And everybody talks about what's going

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on in the big car and the Geico and everything else.

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And I love doing Advert Watch with the UK hashtag.

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And it's usually like Club 55 holidays.

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Car insurance um signing up for life insurance and we'll send you this free

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pen the real big hitters of the advertising industry,

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jet two holidays.

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I remember the UK I mean I've not seen UK ads at least in the Super Bowl for

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a while and I don't really watch the Super Bowl I watch it because of the halftime

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shows I always enjoy the halftime shows and I remember the year when Bruno Mars

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was invited and there was so many people asking why is he just a pop star he can't sing,

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can't play and then he blew a lot of doubters away I'm curious about this year's

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for various reasons but I'm curious about how this year's is going to go down

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with both the opening act, the main act etc it'll be an interesting halftime

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show i'm curious how those sense of that if need be

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I'm sure somebody will be hovering over the dump button to

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break the broadcast now in the 30 seconds i suspect with

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a lot of those what they'll do is they'll have a lot of inserts recorded from the dress

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rehearsal and if something does happen they'll

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just switch the tape over but yeah somebody

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would have to make that call very very quickly

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and with a huge amount of

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confidence and uh that would not be my perfect day hovering over the dump button

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at i've forgotten the artist's name so for example bob villain uh at glastonbury

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do you hit the dump button or not no now no yeah you're too late you've missed

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it welcome to the front page of the tabloids.

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It's going to be interesting and like i say i do enjoy the halftime shows i've

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watched lady gaga bruno mars is still one of my favourites to be honest you can't beat Prince

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well Prince yeah in the rain classic and he continued to play even though it

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was like a horrible horrible weather situation for him so yeah I will be watching

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I'll try to be watching a half time shot and I'll look out for you on the old

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Twitter I'm not on Twitter anymore I haven't been for years but I haven't been

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For years either over on Blue Sky here.

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Danny:
Oh there you go I'll look out for any live stuff that you're doing on Blue Sky

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etc but okay so not quite a perfect day and completely understandable so So

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let's see then if we can maybe, maybe get a perfect question for question number three.

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Okay question three what was your favorite children's book

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I don't it's one of those answers i don't think i

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can narrow it down so i'm just going to name a few that spring to mind and

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then let the host work out what the follow-up question is

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going to be um but the one thing that

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i remember about books uh when you bring this question

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up is the library i absolutely

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adored going to the library growing up

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um i grew up in a mining village called cowden

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beef which is in the guinness book of world records uh for

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the uh most run of games of football at

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home without victory so um i'm very scottish very on point um so i had the library

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card there but i also had the library card for dumframan which is the next town

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over and they had they were like

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the huge central library for all of fife which is um the region and um,

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I could just go in there and just sit.

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Because once you got to 11 years old, you were allowed to have two books out

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of the adult side as well as your four books out of the children's side.

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And I was a straight-in voracious reader.

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And, you know, there are still books that I can pick up now and go,

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I read this 40 years ago, and it still has echoes.

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So, look, I'll give you some of the books that come to mind.

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One of them is the Kingfisher Pocket Book of Magic.

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Which was by peter eldon um and it

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was just a book of magic tricks and how to perform them

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i mean people are probably familiar you know familiar with that

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sort of style of book but this was not only

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was it geared towards a sort of young you know 11 to 13 year old group um but

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it had some really really what i now realize are complicated effects so there's

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a magic uh act called out of this world by Paul Curry.

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Now, it was in this book, and it took me a long time, you know,

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doing magic as a hobby further on to realize, oh, hold on, I learned this trick when I was 11.

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And it's an absolutely stunning trick. And the book was full of that.

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So that one and Royal Road to Card Magic, which is a much more traditional piece

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on how to learn how to do card magic. Okay, so that has to be there.

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There's a book called Heroes, which is

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basically a narrative of the space race between america

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and russia um and it's got it's the

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cover has bruce mccandles who's like the first free floating

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astronaut in a jet pack out the space shuttle it's just

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him in in black and i loved

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space and planes and i still do and that was a sort of

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the comfort book because it went through all the missions it gave you a rough

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idea of them not in a huge amount of enough depth for a teenager again young

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teenager probably this would be about 14 years old so enough depth and enough

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00:26:00,390 --> 00:26:02,670
Ewan:
bite to spark the knowledge but.

392
00:26:03,770 --> 00:26:06,570
Ewan:
Enough that if you go out and read more you'll find

393
00:26:06,570 --> 00:26:09,430
Ewan:
more of the story the great thing about it nowadays is

394
00:26:09,430 --> 00:26:12,450
Ewan:
you can find these books and put them on on

395
00:26:12,450 --> 00:26:15,370
Ewan:
the bookshelves here talked about the library there

396
00:26:15,370 --> 00:26:18,230
Ewan:
but there was another place that i loved about books and

397
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:22,310
Ewan:
that was a little second-hand bookstore in the

398
00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:26,990
Ewan:
shopping center in kirkody which is another town that's that's close by and

399
00:26:26,990 --> 00:26:30,810
Ewan:
it was like a charity bookshop it was like one pound you get you can get two

400
00:26:30,810 --> 00:26:37,270
Ewan:
books out of this box or three books out of of this one and again we would go

401
00:26:37,270 --> 00:26:39,450
Ewan:
shopping and my my mom would just go like.

402
00:26:39,890 --> 00:26:42,650
Ewan:
Normally you would think you'd get some money and go to the sweet shop get

403
00:26:42,650 --> 00:26:45,350
Ewan:
some candy and get some chocolate stuff no no it'd be like there's a pound go

404
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:49,990
Ewan:
to the bookshop i'll get you in half an hour and i bought so

405
00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:53,190
Ewan:
many books in there because just reading so like i got a complete collection

406
00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:56,130
Ewan:
of the james bond pan books they were

407
00:26:56,130 --> 00:26:59,070
Ewan:
their favorite books they were then nowadays

408
00:26:59,070 --> 00:27:01,990
Ewan:
you look at them and just go wow that's that that's that's

409
00:27:01,990 --> 00:27:04,730
Ewan:
so problematic that's so wrong but at that point they were

410
00:27:04,730 --> 00:27:07,530
Ewan:
they were they were comfort rates and to a certain

411
00:27:07,530 --> 00:27:11,750
Ewan:
extent now they still are um the

412
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:15,210
Ewan:
finding fantasy books where like do you want to investigate

413
00:27:15,210 --> 00:27:18,350
Ewan:
the cave turn to page 12 if you want to go and and play xylophone

414
00:27:18,350 --> 00:27:25,490
Ewan:
turn to page 714 um those those were wonderful the early doctor who novels Terence

415
00:27:25,490 --> 00:27:31,330
Ewan:
Dix now he was a again script writer but in the 70s and 80s you didn't have

416
00:27:31,330 --> 00:27:35,430
Ewan:
home video you couldn't watch old episodes of Doctor Who once they were broadcast

417
00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:37,350
Ewan:
on the television that was it they were done.

418
00:27:38,410 --> 00:27:42,870
Ewan:
Except the target book of novelizations existed.

419
00:27:43,190 --> 00:27:48,710
Ewan:
These are like 128 pages, 12 chapters, so three chapters per episode.

420
00:27:48,970 --> 00:27:50,930
Ewan:
Doctor Who stories are generally four-part episodes.

421
00:27:51,990 --> 00:28:02,950
Ewan:
Nowadays, when I look online and you see recaps going through on websites, these books,

422
00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:06,890
Ewan:
the target books, Terrence Dicks and the rest of the authors for Doctor Who,

423
00:28:06,890 --> 00:28:08,810
Ewan:
and also the James Blair Star Trek novels.

424
00:28:09,450 --> 00:28:14,550
Ewan:
Which were actually, they were all just essentially recaps of these TV shows.

425
00:28:14,730 --> 00:28:17,410
Ewan:
But when you didn't have video, when you didn't have anything,

426
00:28:17,610 --> 00:28:21,870
Ewan:
when these were the cultural memory, you know, Peter Davidson is,

427
00:28:22,270 --> 00:28:24,610
Ewan:
you know, for many people, the fifth doctor, but for people my age,

428
00:28:24,830 --> 00:28:26,810
Ewan:
he's the doctor with the old young face.

429
00:28:27,310 --> 00:28:31,590
Ewan:
Tom Baker is the one who is all teeth and curls, because that's

430
00:28:31,590 --> 00:28:34,550
Ewan:
how they were described in these books

431
00:28:34,550 --> 00:28:37,770
Ewan:
so what was your favorite children's

432
00:28:37,770 --> 00:28:40,730
Ewan:
book all of them just let

433
00:28:40,730 --> 00:28:48,010
Ewan:
children read whether it's comics or annuals or pamphlets let them read because

434
00:28:48,010 --> 00:28:52,590
Ewan:
reading should be joyous reading should not be a chore so don't make it a chore

435
00:28:52,590 --> 00:28:56,710
Ewan:
when you for for children or anybody will they graduate to bigger and better

436
00:28:56,710 --> 00:28:58,230
Ewan:
books and more complicated stuff maybe,

437
00:28:58,850 --> 00:29:01,730
Ewan:
maybe they'll just stay on comics and and read

438
00:29:01,730 --> 00:29:06,690
Ewan:
2000 AD and when you're looking at the the ideas of judge dredge and judge jury

439
00:29:06,690 --> 00:29:09,970
Ewan:
and executioner being on the streets dispensing intense justice immediately

440
00:29:09,970 --> 00:29:15,410
Ewan:
under a fascist system you just go oh hold on a second maybe 2000 AD was trying

441
00:29:15,410 --> 00:29:21,310
Ewan:
to tell us something 40 years ago let people read simple as that.

442
00:29:22,050 --> 00:29:29,370
Danny:
No, it's interesting. I could feel your struggle trying to identify your favourite book.

443
00:29:29,830 --> 00:29:33,210
Danny:
I know if I got asked that question, I'd probably be the same as you.

444
00:29:33,290 --> 00:29:36,510
Danny:
I'd be thinking of different books that I really enjoyed.

445
00:29:37,030 --> 00:29:42,150
Danny:
We had a sci-fi bookstore. So I saw Star Wars when I was eight,

446
00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:46,050
Danny:
originally, when it first came out back in 77, 78, eight, nine-year-old.

447
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:49,810
Danny:
And it was a sci-fi bookstore in the middle of Edinburgh on Princess Street,

448
00:29:49,850 --> 00:29:54,010
Danny:
or just before Princess Street, sorry where I used to live so I'd go there every

449
00:29:54,010 --> 00:29:59,810
Danny:
week at the weekend, my mum would take me or when I got a little bit older, I'd get the bus hop on off

450
00:30:00,260 --> 00:30:04,240
Danny:
Go there, pick up some comics, go to the Commonwealth pool, sit down,

451
00:30:04,620 --> 00:30:07,240
Danny:
get a Coke and a sandwich or whatever, start reading there.

452
00:30:07,420 --> 00:30:10,820
Danny:
But it's funny you mentioned that, you know, just not funny.

453
00:30:11,020 --> 00:30:12,080
Danny:
I completely agree with you.

454
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:17,160
Danny:
It's just like kids read. During the lockdown, our son got into a really good

455
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,760
Danny:
habit of getting books to read.

456
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:25,440
Danny:
And one of the ones that he got was, it was a really abridged version of an

457
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,380
Danny:
early part of Muhammad Ali's life, when he was still Cassius Clay,

458
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:30,540
Danny:
before he became a Hound Ali.

459
00:30:31,180 --> 00:30:37,480
Danny:
And it kind of touched on the reason for, you know, the Vietnam draft,

460
00:30:38,100 --> 00:30:41,760
Danny:
what he went through, getting stripped of his titles, and it gave a little spark

461
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,860
Danny:
of an idea as to what happened.

462
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:48,880
Danny:
And it left him, it left my son wanting more details. So he then started researching online.

463
00:30:49,260 --> 00:30:54,160
Danny:
He went to the local library where we lived beforehand and got more books,

464
00:30:54,260 --> 00:31:00,940
Danny:
like the big hefty tombs as well, and really understood what Ali went through, you know.

465
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:05,740
Danny:
And he wouldn't have known that if he was turned off by that original book,

466
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:10,300
Danny:
which is just really, it's like a typical kid's book. It's got a cartoon version of Ali on the front.

467
00:31:10,740 --> 00:31:13,240
Danny:
It's maybe, I don't know, 20 pages tops.

468
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:19,440
Danny:
So not in depth. And I've got a picture of my son on the chair really deep into

469
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,500
Danny:
this and then, you know, further on in the book. So let's say,

470
00:31:23,220 --> 00:31:26,840
Danny:
yeah, you have to, you can't force, you know, kids, kids will pick their own

471
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:27,620
Danny:
favourite books, right?

472
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,080
Danny:
And I love the fact that you've got so many different ones.

473
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:34,660
Danny:
And, oh man, the Choose Your Own Adventure books with Steve Lowenstein and that,

474
00:31:35,100 --> 00:31:37,700
Danny:
you know, it's like, they were times, they were times, mate.

475
00:31:38,140 --> 00:31:41,680
Danny:
You mentioned like the Choose Your Own Adventure books.

476
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:47,620
Danny:
Were you ever like tempted because i tried that once to make my own book where

477
00:31:47,620 --> 00:31:52,080
Danny:
you'd go to page 17 if you did this you can go to page 31 if you did this and

478
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:56,860
Danny:
it ended up me having like a big sheet and i lost track i couldn't make my own

479
00:31:56,860 --> 00:31:59,160
Danny:
it was just too much work to try and make my own do you ever get tempted to

480
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,020
Danny:
do that or do you just like enjoy reading i mean going on that adventure

481
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,920
Ewan:
Not on the book as such but you know

482
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,380
Ewan:
one of the other books that had a huge influence me was that input

483
00:32:09,380 --> 00:32:12,080
Ewan:
magazine which was a part work which is

484
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,100
Ewan:
available over 52 issues every two weeks from your local news

485
00:32:15,100 --> 00:32:17,920
Ewan:
agent which would build up to a collection and this would

486
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,640
Ewan:
be marshall cavendish 1982 1983 and it

487
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,380
Ewan:
was the rudimentary of computer programming it was

488
00:32:23,380 --> 00:32:26,500
Ewan:
essentially a basic language course over two years and

489
00:32:26,500 --> 00:32:29,680
Ewan:
the end of volume one over four

490
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,940
Ewan:
weeks was how to program your own adventure game as in go north

491
00:32:32,940 --> 00:32:36,400
Ewan:
eat tiger get bone kill

492
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,140
Ewan:
jester uh so and it's

493
00:32:39,140 --> 00:32:42,000
Ewan:
like because it's all open it says right okay we've shown you how to do this

494
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:47,360
Ewan:
one now you can go away and change it yourself so i there is somewhere on a

495
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:53,260
Ewan:
magnetic tape uh lost to time probably a tiny 12 room adventure game written

496
00:32:53,260 --> 00:32:58,340
Ewan:
by me so yes i did give it a go but i cheated i used a computer.

497
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:03,140
Danny:
Yeah, well, that was far above what I could do. I still can't code. I'm a copy-paste guy.

498
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:07,380
Danny:
So if I have to put something on a website, I'll grab some HTML and then drop

499
00:33:07,380 --> 00:33:08,520
Danny:
that and probably break it.

500
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:15,900
Ewan:
I was good on programming right till about 2003, 2004, and at that point they

501
00:33:15,900 --> 00:33:17,020
Ewan:
changed how phones worked.

502
00:33:17,260 --> 00:33:20,060
Ewan:
And then I'm like, that's it, I'm out. This is as far as I can go.

503
00:33:20,420 --> 00:33:24,460
Ewan:
I do have a lot, when I occasionally do Twitch, I do have a lovely Twitch splash

504
00:33:24,460 --> 00:33:29,000
Ewan:
screen and programmed and everything, but it actually runs on a ZX Spectrum emulator.

505
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,980
Ewan:
So I've got a ZX Spectrum driving the screens that I use when I go on Twitch.

506
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:38,820
Danny:
That is amazing. And for our younger listeners, I will leave a link to the ZX

507
00:33:38,820 --> 00:33:42,600
Danny:
Spectrum wiki page or something so you know exactly what...

508
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:48,380
Ewan:
Essentially, it was a Nintendo entertainment system, but in Europe, but we could program it.

509
00:33:48,620 --> 00:33:53,540
Ewan:
And if it wasn't for the ZX Spectrum, there wouldn't have been a Miami Vice game,

510
00:33:53,700 --> 00:33:56,800
Ewan:
which meant that Denton Designs wouldn't have seen it, which means they wouldn't

511
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,600
Ewan:
have written the very first Grand Theft Auto top of town, which means you would

512
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,800
Ewan:
not have had Grand Theft Auto without this computer and Nintendo can't say that

513
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,740
Ewan:
about their system I like it.

514
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:10,160
Danny:
I like it extra controversy through the episode it's not controversy,

515
00:34:10,380 --> 00:34:15,500
Danny:
it's true and I can't even say the word, that's what I like about it but this is why I like having

516
00:34:16,260 --> 00:34:20,620
Danny:
guests with so many different takes on this podcast because stuff like this

517
00:34:20,620 --> 00:34:24,660
Danny:
I will definitely leave a link to that but I completely agree as well ZX was,

518
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,920
Danny:
it's a beast and that's Sinclair right,

519
00:34:27,260 --> 00:34:30,500
Danny:
never remember was it Sinclair ZX yeah it was so I will leave a link to that

520
00:34:30,500 --> 00:34:33,500
Danny:
in episode show notes so be sure to have a look at them when you're looking

521
00:34:33,500 --> 00:34:34,980
Danny:
to find out more about the ZX

522
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,920
Danny:
So, yeah, another random fact about Nintendo and Grand Theft Auto,

523
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:45,260
Danny:
which ties in perfectly to the random nature of our episode, as always.

524
00:34:45,420 --> 00:34:50,520
Danny:
So let's have a look then. We're doing well here, Ewan. Let's have a look at question number four.

525
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:55,740
Danny:
All right, here we go. Because this is a global thing. Most countries now have

526
00:34:55,740 --> 00:34:58,040
Danny:
reality TV. Reality show, sorry.

527
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:04,200
Danny:
So, question number four, Ewan. What reality show would you think you'd do well in?

528
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,060
Ewan:
Who's doing the editing?

529
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:06,920
Danny:
Me.

530
00:35:08,300 --> 00:35:11,260
Ewan:
Because the problem with reality shows is not are

531
00:35:11,260 --> 00:35:15,000
Ewan:
you good at the reality show it's what you do in the edit um there

532
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,060
Ewan:
is a lovely episode part of a tv show

533
00:35:18,060 --> 00:35:20,980
Ewan:
called screen white by charlie brooker and they talk about

534
00:35:20,980 --> 00:35:24,360
Ewan:
the you know how reality tv could only

535
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,720
Ewan:
happen with digital editing because you

536
00:35:27,720 --> 00:35:31,240
Ewan:
have to take 24 hours worth of footage multiplied by

537
00:35:31,240 --> 00:35:34,240
Ewan:
however many cameras to get a half hour clip show for

538
00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:37,720
Ewan:
the original big brother for example and it

539
00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:41,700
Ewan:
doesn't matter what you do with somebody in a big brother house the

540
00:35:41,700 --> 00:35:44,520
Ewan:
edit can do whatever it wants the edit can make

541
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,320
Ewan:
you you know if you glance over at a

542
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,860
Ewan:
housemate the edit can either make that one of friendship one

543
00:35:50,860 --> 00:35:54,500
Ewan:
of romance one of stalking one of murderous intent

544
00:35:54,500 --> 00:35:57,680
Ewan:
so i would

545
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,900
Ewan:
be very very reticent to hand over

546
00:36:00,900 --> 00:36:03,860
Ewan:
my public image to a reality tv show

547
00:36:03,860 --> 00:36:06,760
Ewan:
so um which one

548
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,220
Ewan:
would i be good at well i'm gonna

549
00:36:10,220 --> 00:36:13,120
Ewan:
twist the question you know i would be very good

550
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:17,100
Ewan:
at producing one it's only in audio i don't

551
00:36:17,100 --> 00:36:20,180
Ewan:
wouldn't want to be a contest i think this comes back down to the podcasting

552
00:36:20,180 --> 00:36:25,020
Ewan:
and everything so you know i would want to work on the other side of it because

553
00:36:25,020 --> 00:36:33,540
Ewan:
the craft of storytelling through reality tv through editing through presentation.

554
00:36:34,810 --> 00:36:39,070
Ewan:
That is where the real skill is.

555
00:36:39,290 --> 00:36:42,910
Ewan:
You know, something like Taskmaster, for example, which is a,

556
00:36:43,170 --> 00:36:47,470
Ewan:
I think that's pretty fair to say that that's known relatively worldwide.

557
00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:51,870
Ewan:
So much of that value is in the edit.

558
00:36:52,470 --> 00:36:55,430
Ewan:
When, you know, you're seeing the clips of the tasks being mixed together.

559
00:36:55,650 --> 00:36:59,770
Ewan:
For those of you who don't know, five panelists are given a task to do in a house.

560
00:36:59,910 --> 00:37:04,290
Ewan:
They do the task. It's usually something silly like make a cake can sit on it

561
00:37:04,290 --> 00:37:09,190
Ewan:
fastest wins and they come back and they watch it a couple months later with

562
00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:12,210
Ewan:
a studio audience they watch the edited clip and they all react to it,

563
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:17,020
Ewan:
You and I know from podcasting that you can move a single breath.

564
00:37:18,620 --> 00:37:21,780
Ewan:
And sometimes we do because we need

565
00:37:21,780 --> 00:37:25,540
Ewan:
to set up a rhythm in an edit or we're bringing together two thoughts.

566
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:30,320
Ewan:
And it's just like, I know that's how it was said, but it just needs a little

567
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,400
Ewan:
bit, it needs another four tenths of a second.

568
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:39,340
Ewan:
There's a gasp from here five minutes ago. I'm just going to lift that up and put it in there.

569
00:37:39,540 --> 00:37:42,940
Ewan:
And it's utterly seamless if you're good at what you're doing.

570
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,620
Ewan:
Now yes a little bit of dunning kruger but i

571
00:37:46,620 --> 00:37:49,620
Ewan:
have been doing podcasting and auditing for a fair bit so i think

572
00:37:49,620 --> 00:37:52,960
Ewan:
it would be a reality tv show that's not

573
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:57,620
Ewan:
on tv that's on radio that's on podcast uh and i would want to be the editor

574
00:37:57,620 --> 00:38:03,060
Ewan:
the producer working behind the scenes lifting out those stories finding out

575
00:38:03,060 --> 00:38:07,560
Ewan:
about these people a bit like what we're doing here with five questions um Because

576
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:11,800
Ewan:
isn't Five Questions a reality TV show?

577
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:19,140
Ewan:
Can we boil down the essence of what we are doing here to Survivor or Big Brother

578
00:38:19,140 --> 00:38:21,640
Ewan:
or Taskmaster or anything?

579
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:27,660
Ewan:
TV entertainment is all about storytelling and I always love to credit myself as being a storyteller.

580
00:38:27,900 --> 00:38:34,080
Ewan:
So the show that I would think I would do the best in is the one where I can tell the story.

581
00:38:34,700 --> 00:38:40,060
Danny:
Now what I do like about that is, as you mentioned, you're flipping it and you're

582
00:38:40,060 --> 00:38:45,220
Danny:
making it audio, which is your expertise, your passion and where you can really guide the story.

583
00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:49,230
Danny:
I know there's a big push we were talking about in the green room before we

584
00:38:49,230 --> 00:38:50,450
Danny:
came on to record the episode.

585
00:38:50,650 --> 00:38:55,090
Danny:
I know there's a big push, at the moment anyway, for a lot of creators to go

586
00:38:55,090 --> 00:38:57,050
Danny:
to video first as opposed to audio first.

587
00:38:57,150 --> 00:38:59,870
Danny:
And that's fine if that's what you want to do, have at it. And if you do it

588
00:38:59,870 --> 00:39:01,490
Danny:
well, good for you. Love it.

589
00:39:01,810 --> 00:39:06,010
Danny:
But I do find that sometimes video first can struggle to make the transition to audio.

590
00:39:06,430 --> 00:39:09,470
Danny:
Because your video, it's a visual medium, obviously.

591
00:39:09,810 --> 00:39:13,390
Danny:
And what you can see happening isn't always what a listener can see.

592
00:39:13,390 --> 00:39:16,470
Danny:
Or hear not see is what a list can hear happening

593
00:39:16,470 --> 00:39:19,130
Danny:
you know um if people were talking about oh look at this

594
00:39:19,130 --> 00:39:23,150
Danny:
lovely decoration behind you know steve or whatever what's

595
00:39:23,150 --> 00:39:26,450
Danny:
the challenge there for let's say you were to make this a reality tv

596
00:39:26,450 --> 00:39:29,890
Danny:
stroke audio only podcast

597
00:39:29,890 --> 00:39:35,170
Danny:
so reality podcast i guess what would be the challenge that you feel switching

598
00:39:35,170 --> 00:39:39,630
Danny:
from what would typically be a tv you know first approach or a video first approach

599
00:39:39,630 --> 00:39:44,570
Danny:
where you can see you mentioned yourself uh the error can make a look be friendly

600
00:39:44,570 --> 00:39:49,710
Danny:
flirting playful demonic nasty how would you transfer that to audio only

601
00:39:49,710 --> 00:39:53,310
Ewan:
I think you have to look back at history um because

602
00:39:53,310 --> 00:39:56,450
Ewan:
essentially what you're doing is a soap opera so you

603
00:39:56,450 --> 00:39:59,150
Ewan:
are doing and again this is

604
00:39:59,150 --> 00:40:01,870
Ewan:
a reference that either 100 of listeners will get or they

605
00:40:01,870 --> 00:40:04,990
Ewan:
will just go what are you going on about you're essentially trying to do the archers

606
00:40:04,990 --> 00:40:08,890
Ewan:
which is a radio for which

607
00:40:08,890 --> 00:40:11,750
Ewan:
was originally of course the home service uh here in the

608
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:14,470
Ewan:
uk of a soap opera based in

609
00:40:14,470 --> 00:40:18,690
Ewan:
the village of ambridge farming um

610
00:40:18,690 --> 00:40:23,050
Ewan:
but essentially a soap opera so that that is what you're doing the twitter is

611
00:40:23,050 --> 00:40:28,370
Ewan:
of course you're doing it on material that is being generated in real time by

612
00:40:28,370 --> 00:40:34,770
Ewan:
your cast and it depends on the story you want to tell so for example you

613
00:40:35,070 --> 00:40:36,650
Ewan:
might want to do a sort of.

614
00:40:37,740 --> 00:40:40,860
Ewan:
Teenage focused and the pressures

615
00:40:40,860 --> 00:40:43,880
Ewan:
that they're going under um just during their

616
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,580
Ewan:
life for example whether they're going through exams so you might want to

617
00:40:46,580 --> 00:40:49,760
Ewan:
do an exam uh so you

618
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,680
Ewan:
know there's there's going to be a different flavor to that

619
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,840
Ewan:
for example if you decide to follow um

620
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,960
Ewan:
six people who are going through

621
00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:03,000
Ewan:
grief for example um and for

622
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,820
Ewan:
those of you who aren't aware the carrie ed lloyd podcast the

623
00:41:05,820 --> 00:41:09,180
Ewan:
grief cast absolutely fantastic listening um go

624
00:41:09,180 --> 00:41:12,020
Ewan:
find the archive of it that tells you

625
00:41:12,020 --> 00:41:14,940
Ewan:
a different story you know are you doing this with

626
00:41:14,940 --> 00:41:17,640
Ewan:
them staying mic'd up all the time are you doing it through an interview base

627
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,640
Ewan:
look personally i would be doing it through an interview base it's like what happened

628
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,520
Ewan:
today tell me what happened today um so it

629
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,600
Ewan:
would come back as multiple interviews going through

630
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,560
Ewan:
so there's probably

631
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:33,700
Ewan:
a a complicated media university

632
00:41:33,700 --> 00:41:36,740
Ewan:
term for that one but i would probably bias towards

633
00:41:36,740 --> 00:41:40,460
Ewan:
something like that um i would want

634
00:41:40,460 --> 00:41:44,500
Ewan:
to choose people who are already going through a journey so you've got a natural

635
00:41:44,500 --> 00:41:50,960
Ewan:
storyline that you can build on whether that is going to be um uplifting or

636
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:57,800
Ewan:
or depressing let's just just take those for example whether it makes you think then it's that so.

637
00:41:59,240 --> 00:42:03,580
Ewan:
Okay. You know, what, what is, we're coming back now to that question of what is reality?

638
00:42:04,060 --> 00:42:07,520
Ewan:
Is it a group of people? Is it a single person? Is it, you have to see their

639
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,700
Ewan:
lives? Is it, they talk about their lives?

640
00:42:10,660 --> 00:42:14,980
Ewan:
What would the sponsors be interested in? Uh, probably has to,

641
00:42:15,340 --> 00:42:17,780
Ewan:
unfortunately come into that conversation as well.

642
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:25,680
Ewan:
So what would it be? I mean, look, I've come up with, with podcast ideas that

643
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,820
Ewan:
I've never made it past that that would be fun stage.

644
00:42:27,820 --> 00:42:33,120
Ewan:
Um i did an in just just during the last half of lockdown i did a podcast called

645
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:39,380
Ewan:
my cat's tail um and question one was tell me about your cat um and that was

646
00:42:39,380 --> 00:42:43,260
Ewan:
it we would talk for half an hour about one person's cat now is that reality

647
00:42:43,260 --> 00:42:46,300
Ewan:
audio podcast yes it is is it about cats yes,

648
00:42:47,260 --> 00:42:50,360
Ewan:
was it hosted by david tenet no so it didn't go any more than a year,

649
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:56,520
Ewan:
it depends on what you want to do and the delight of doing it as podcast is

650
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:01,700
Ewan:
you don't need to find a huge audience you don't need to find tens of millions

651
00:43:01,700 --> 00:43:08,220
Ewan:
of people tuning in every night you need to find like if you want a really big number five thousand,

652
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:13,100
Ewan:
if you can find five thousand people and that people are starting a podcast

653
00:43:13,100 --> 00:43:18,320
Ewan:
if you don't have that sort of star power energy to go with that takes a bit of time to build up.

654
00:43:20,110 --> 00:43:25,890
Ewan:
It would be something like that it would be those lines of staying honest with

655
00:43:25,890 --> 00:43:28,770
Ewan:
minimal editing which is probably why i want to do it in the interview format

656
00:43:28,770 --> 00:43:31,010
Ewan:
after they've done something because,

657
00:43:32,170 --> 00:43:37,650
Ewan:
every time you cut with an edit you're taking away some of the truth and if

658
00:43:37,650 --> 00:43:44,050
Ewan:
you look at reality tv nowadays there's a huge amount of editing there's a huge

659
00:43:44,050 --> 00:43:46,050
Ewan:
amount of cunning which means,

660
00:43:46,910 --> 00:43:51,930
Ewan:
they get further away from the truth and further towards a story that is pre-written by the cast,

661
00:43:52,490 --> 00:43:55,370
Ewan:
but not by the cast, by the crew. I wouldn't want that.

662
00:43:55,910 --> 00:44:00,750
Ewan:
I'd go the other way. I would want to be as close and inside as possible.

663
00:44:02,090 --> 00:44:05,750
Ewan:
I think I'm describing something that is called a documentary.

664
00:44:07,550 --> 00:44:13,010
Danny:
I know, I like that, and I love that you went so deep into that to explain exactly

665
00:44:13,010 --> 00:44:15,690
Danny:
how it would work and why it should be that way. And I agree,

666
00:44:15,770 --> 00:44:20,470
Danny:
I feel as much as it's fun for TikTok, Instagram Reels, etc.

667
00:44:20,830 --> 00:44:24,250
Danny:
I'm sure my age, because nobody probably watches Instagram Reels these days.

668
00:44:25,310 --> 00:44:30,950
Danny:
But as much as people, you know, veer towards that short-term content and really,

669
00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:33,610
Danny:
you know, that quick fix, that quick dopamine hit,

670
00:44:33,790 --> 00:44:38,690
Danny:
it does take away because now you're trying to make that perfect little 30-second,

671
00:44:38,790 --> 00:44:41,550
Danny:
60-second snippet for clicks, views, etc.

672
00:44:41,550 --> 00:44:45,750
Danny:
As opposed to really just letting a story breathe and you know I love the fact

673
00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:48,970
Danny:
that you mentioned that edit can take away from that you know you've got to

674
00:44:48,970 --> 00:44:53,490
Danny:
be really careful that you don't take away from the essence of what a conversation

675
00:44:53,490 --> 00:44:56,570
Danny:
was about because that does ruin and spoil everything

676
00:44:57,210 --> 00:45:00,410
Danny:
I also love the fact that you mentioned the archers there. Now,

677
00:45:00,470 --> 00:45:03,370
Danny:
I'm of an age that I remember the archers. I know what you're on about.

678
00:45:03,750 --> 00:45:07,390
Danny:
And it's funny that you mentioned Billy Connolly out there because one of my

679
00:45:07,390 --> 00:45:10,710
Danny:
favourite skits of Billy Connolly, of many, many, many, many,

680
00:45:10,770 --> 00:45:14,270
Danny:
many, is when he's on about we should change because our national anthem,

681
00:45:14,470 --> 00:45:18,210
Danny:
or the British, English national anthem, whatever way you want to look at it, is so dull.

682
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:22,070
Danny:
So when you go to the Olympics, you know, we've already lost because all these

683
00:45:22,070 --> 00:45:26,830
Danny:
other countries have got these grand, you know, trumpet-laden national anthems

684
00:45:26,830 --> 00:45:29,870
Danny:
and we've got this guard, save the king or queen or whatever,

685
00:45:30,030 --> 00:45:31,930
Danny:
we should replace it with the archers theme.

686
00:45:32,730 --> 00:45:35,470
Danny:
And we're just like marching along, parump into the archers theme.

687
00:45:35,890 --> 00:45:38,750
Ewan:
This is what a sketch I'm familiar with. It's quite an early one.

688
00:45:38,850 --> 00:45:48,110
Ewan:
It's before 1985, 1986, and that Five Nations season with Scotland playing rugby against England.

689
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:51,750
Ewan:
Because now, of course, Scotland has Flower of Scotland.

690
00:45:51,890 --> 00:45:55,290
Ewan:
Now, Scotland actually doesn't have an official national anthem, but

691
00:45:55,290 --> 00:45:58,030
Ewan:
uh there are various adoptions quite a few people

692
00:45:58,030 --> 00:46:01,670
Ewan:
still go with scotland to brave um but essentially the

693
00:46:01,670 --> 00:46:04,670
Ewan:
rugby fans chose flyer of scotland and that's become

694
00:46:04,670 --> 00:46:08,530
Ewan:
scotland's anthem and if anybody hasn't heard a

695
00:46:08,530 --> 00:46:17,170
Ewan:
scottish sports crowd joining in the anthem go google uh euro euro scotland

696
00:46:17,170 --> 00:46:22,570
Ewan:
anthem the um the when it opened up in germany with the euros and scotland was

697
00:46:22,570 --> 00:46:26,830
Ewan:
drawn to do the opening game and the anthems come up and.

698
00:46:27,740 --> 00:46:31,360
Ewan:
Every scottish fan will sing um and

699
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,200
Ewan:
i don't mean in a sort of stand up put

700
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,880
Ewan:
your hand on your heart um because you need to do the

701
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,860
Ewan:
pledge of allegiance you need to sing the anthem um every

702
00:46:39,860 --> 00:46:43,920
Ewan:
morning i know i mean sing i mean that emotional

703
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,860
Ewan:
core and depth and

704
00:46:47,860 --> 00:46:50,720
Ewan:
yes the united kingdom of great

705
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:53,580
Ewan:
britain and northern ireland does have god save the

706
00:46:53,580 --> 00:46:59,920
Ewan:
king but we have flower of scotland and we are scotland and yet at that point

707
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:05,060
Ewan:
it hadn't been chosen it hadn't been played that moment at five nations where

708
00:47:05,060 --> 00:47:09,980
Ewan:
flower of scotland kicked off and basically england lost the game of rugby beforehand

709
00:47:09,980 --> 00:47:13,540
Ewan:
because we sang the enthusiasm out of them,

710
00:47:16,070 --> 00:47:20,650
Ewan:
We have that anthem now, Billy. We have that strength and power,

711
00:47:20,650 --> 00:47:24,130
Ewan:
and we are known for it. We're still rubbish at sports.

712
00:47:25,010 --> 00:47:26,710
Danny:
But we've got a damn good national anthem.

713
00:47:26,710 --> 00:47:29,590
Ewan:
We're good at curling. There are some sports that Scotland is good at.

714
00:47:29,710 --> 00:47:34,910
Ewan:
We're probably some of the best Canada-Scotland at the Winter Olympics as the curling final.

715
00:47:35,250 --> 00:47:37,970
Ewan:
Yes, please. I'll watch that. Thank you very much.

716
00:47:38,670 --> 00:47:44,150
Danny:
No, no, I hear. It reminds me, I think it was 1990, that was the Grand Slam

717
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:45,250
Danny:
game between Scotland and England

718
00:47:48,590 --> 00:47:51,590
Danny:
normally you run out on the pitch and it was at Murrayfield so obviously it

719
00:47:51,590 --> 00:47:54,770
Danny:
was like the home crowd so England's players ran out on the pitch as expected

720
00:47:54,770 --> 00:47:59,750
Danny:
and then the Scottish team marched out when Florida Scotland and I think at that moment

721
00:48:00,450 --> 00:48:05,050
Danny:
it almost sensed that we've got this is our day so I completely hear you and

722
00:48:05,050 --> 00:48:09,530
Danny:
that's just given me a little bit of tingles so thank you for bringing that back as a memory It

723
00:48:09,530 --> 00:48:13,770
Ewan:
Always surprises me that nobody at the Super Bowl does that as well if you have

724
00:48:13,770 --> 00:48:16,650
Ewan:
all the great, the pomp and the circumstances, they're right out, yay, yay.

725
00:48:16,810 --> 00:48:21,350
Ewan:
And I think if you'd just taken one of those teams and you'd just marched out,

726
00:48:21,830 --> 00:48:26,970
Ewan:
stood on the halfway line and looked at the other team, they would just be, what are they doing?

727
00:48:29,090 --> 00:48:32,570
Ewan:
What's going on? If anybody's seen like the New Zealand All Blacks,

728
00:48:32,750 --> 00:48:37,570
Ewan:
you know, they start playing the game of rugby long before the whistle blows.

729
00:48:38,390 --> 00:48:41,130
Ewan:
And I think Anthems play a huge part in that.

730
00:48:41,850 --> 00:48:44,750
Danny:
Well, I agree. A hundred percent. A hundred percent agree. you and i i

731
00:48:44,750 --> 00:48:49,210
Danny:
love that question to kind of almost ease us out of your time in hot seat but

732
00:48:49,210 --> 00:48:53,090
Danny:
we do have one more for you so let's have a look at what one we're going to

733
00:48:53,090 --> 00:48:58,470
Danny:
take you home with all right let's go with this one question number five do

734
00:48:58,470 --> 00:49:03,090
Danny:
you think you would survive a zombie apocalypse um

735
00:49:03,090 --> 00:49:09,390
Ewan:
It would answer one of my favorite questions for pondering though so it's,

736
00:49:10,450 --> 00:49:16,570
Ewan:
Let's say, right, you get zombified, whatever the technical term is,

737
00:49:16,650 --> 00:49:18,550
Ewan:
you have become a zombie.

738
00:49:19,450 --> 00:49:23,270
Ewan:
If you're pregnant, does the baby become a zombie?

739
00:49:23,910 --> 00:49:29,870
Danny:
Well, that kind of almost answered in season, was it season two?

740
00:49:30,070 --> 00:49:35,070
Danny:
It was season one, actually. So The Last of Us TV show based on a video game, the same name.

741
00:49:35,390 --> 00:49:39,750
Danny:
It showed the main or one of the main characters, Mother Sock.

742
00:49:39,750 --> 00:49:43,270
Danny:
Ellie is the young lady in the TV show game.

743
00:49:43,490 --> 00:49:48,970
Danny:
And she's with a guy called Joel. They're trying to get Ellie to somewhere where

744
00:49:48,970 --> 00:49:51,810
Danny:
she's meant to be the cure for the zombie apocalypse.

745
00:49:52,030 --> 00:49:53,890
Danny:
Her blood is immune.

746
00:49:54,170 --> 00:49:58,530
Danny:
And the reason that they showed that was they had a spoiler alert.

747
00:49:58,670 --> 00:50:00,010
Danny:
Stop listening here if you've not seen it.

748
00:50:00,190 --> 00:50:04,110
Danny:
But the reason that she was that is it showed it at the start as her mum,

749
00:50:04,270 --> 00:50:07,790
Danny:
as she was given birth, was attacked by a zombie and was bitten.

750
00:50:07,790 --> 00:50:11,350
Danny:
And that mixed the bloods up. and that's why she became this...

751
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,640
Danny:
Immune person if you like so i'm not sure if you become a zombie probably not

752
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:20,340
Danny:
a zombie but maybe there's a mix of human stroke zombie there if that makes sense

753
00:50:20,340 --> 00:50:23,060
Ewan:
But that's during birth yeah now i've not seen last of us

754
00:50:23,060 --> 00:50:25,920
Ewan:
so but that's during a birth yeah that's correct yeah okay

755
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,720
Ewan:
right so that doesn't matter because what i'm getting at here is while

756
00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:32,100
Ewan:
you're in the womb and the blood placenta barrier is still

757
00:50:32,100 --> 00:50:34,880
Ewan:
in effect that's you know that is weakened during

758
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,780
Ewan:
birth so i would say worth well things are going to break down

759
00:50:37,780 --> 00:50:40,820
Ewan:
there uh on on on both sides so um

760
00:50:40,820 --> 00:50:46,340
Ewan:
no i don't think that answers the question at all um swine

761
00:50:46,340 --> 00:50:49,280
Ewan:
oh trust

762
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,020
Ewan:
me i've been through lots of these ones it's the same question about

763
00:50:52,020 --> 00:50:55,200
Ewan:
vampires as well if you get turned into a vampire and you're pregnant the baby

764
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,260
Ewan:
become a vampire what if the baby becomes a vampire and you don't

765
00:50:58,260 --> 00:51:00,980
Ewan:
is that possible and if that's the case what i know

766
00:51:00,980 --> 00:51:04,140
Ewan:
lots of funds on that um surviving

767
00:51:04,140 --> 00:51:06,960
Ewan:
a zombie apocalypse well it kind of depends on what you need kind

768
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,180
Ewan:
of depends on how long the zombies are going to be earned it depends if they're

769
00:51:10,180 --> 00:51:15,680
Ewan:
fast or slow zombies um lots of things uh for example if zombies are dead does

770
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,880
Ewan:
that mean that there's no living bacteria in them and if that's the case then

771
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:22,820
Ewan:
they've only got the energy that they've got when they die which means you've

772
00:51:22,820 --> 00:51:24,740
Ewan:
only got to get through about three days,

773
00:51:25,720 --> 00:51:33,680
Ewan:
so if the question is can i hide from the world for three days pretty sure i can get a boat.

774
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,300
Ewan:
Pretty sure I could go up a mountain. Pretty sure I could go into the middle

775
00:51:38,300 --> 00:51:40,880
Ewan:
of a football stadium in Cowden Meath because nobody would think of going there

776
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,780
Ewan:
because Cowden Meath can't play football.

777
00:51:43,500 --> 00:51:48,240
Ewan:
So, can I survive three days of a zombie apocalypse? Yes. Can I pronounce it?

778
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:52,880
Ewan:
No. But that's fine because I would want to be really, really quiet while doing it.

779
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,780
Ewan:
Longer term, then there are bigger questions about infrastructure.

780
00:51:58,900 --> 00:52:02,000
Ewan:
So, let's take power, for example. How is power going to be generated?

781
00:52:02,140 --> 00:52:03,680
Ewan:
Are we going to have to rely on portable generators?

782
00:52:04,180 --> 00:52:09,680
Ewan:
Are there going to be people who can still run nuclear power plants um are there zombies,

783
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,500
Ewan:
there's the other thing will zombies still want

784
00:52:13,500 --> 00:52:16,200
Ewan:
to go to work you know is it just like oh we're going

785
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:20,480
Ewan:
to eat okay you've eaten now what are you going to do um um well

786
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,540
Ewan:
you know i was making a nice model spitfire from

787
00:52:23,540 --> 00:52:26,380
Ewan:
an air fix kit well you're a zombie that doesn't stop you

788
00:52:26,380 --> 00:52:29,540
Ewan:
carrying on doing modeling oh yeah i'll

789
00:52:29,540 --> 00:52:32,520
Ewan:
go do that then tell me when you're hungry we'll get you some more food oh right fine

790
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,440
Ewan:
fair enough you know the idea

791
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,380
Ewan:
that zombies are constantly going and constantly eating

792
00:52:38,380 --> 00:52:42,020
Ewan:
i could disagree with because

793
00:52:42,020 --> 00:52:44,800
Ewan:
as i said they're dead and if they're dead

794
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:48,140
Ewan:
nothing works and if nothing works how do they process food

795
00:52:48,140 --> 00:52:51,160
Ewan:
you know do they eat food it just goes all

796
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,220
Ewan:
the way through they just leave trails of tiny mashed

797
00:52:54,220 --> 00:52:57,200
Ewan:
up bits of human behind them if that's

798
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:01,820
Ewan:
the case yeah my three days are still good so in my science fiction world either

799
00:53:01,820 --> 00:53:07,480
Ewan:
a zombies all die out after three days it's a i know it's a bit hg world's war

800
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:11,800
Ewan:
of the worlds but yeah bear with me um or the second one is yes there are zombies

801
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,440
Ewan:
but they don't have an insatiable lust for food,

802
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:20,260
Ewan:
and even if they did we've got manjaro now you know what happens if you give a zombie manjaro,

803
00:53:20,860 --> 00:53:24,360
Ewan:
oh i'm not hungry anymore oh what do you want to do race cars great you want

804
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,460
Ewan:
to put a seatbelt on No, don't be silly. I'm a zombie.

805
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,220
Danny:
It's it's an interesting fact i've never thought of it that way to be honest

806
00:53:30,220 --> 00:53:33,720
Danny:
mate um and you're 100 correct obviously it's like no

807
00:53:33,720 --> 00:53:35,220
Ewan:
No no i only sound 100.

808
00:53:35,220 --> 00:53:40,000
Danny:
Well okay yeah you sound you've you've like convinced me i can

809
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:45,060
Ewan:
Say things with confidence and they will make sense until somebody moves on

810
00:53:45,060 --> 00:53:49,000
Ewan:
to the james o'brien podcast next in their feed and then they go hold on a minute

811
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:53,140
Ewan:
he was talking rubbish wasn't he yes so was human yes.

812
00:53:53,140 --> 00:53:56,400
Danny:
No i like it and like you say though

813
00:53:57,260 --> 00:54:03,960
Danny:
you're dead so you're not going to be hungry I don't even know why the original

814
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:08,540
Danny:
reason to eat brains came about, I'm sure it must have been Georgie Romero's classic 60s,

815
00:54:08,740 --> 00:54:13,080
Danny:
early 70s, you know, Day of the Dead, Dawn of the Dead movies that that came out and happened

816
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:17,400
Danny:
it's funny though, you mentioned about how fast are they and how clever are

817
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:21,360
Danny:
they etc, there's a little cartoon like meme kind of thing or whatever that

818
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,120
Danny:
I saw just the other week there actually last week even maybe,

819
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:28,660
Danny:
and it was about if the zombie, how to survive the zombie, well not to survive

820
00:54:28,660 --> 00:54:32,700
Danny:
but if the zombie apocalypse or if you get attacked by zombies here's how to

821
00:54:32,700 --> 00:54:36,140
Danny:
beat them and basically you're just in your house but all the way around your

822
00:54:36,140 --> 00:54:37,920
Danny:
house is like a moat of treadmills,

823
00:54:38,500 --> 00:54:41,560
Danny:
you know, so if you try to get the zombie on the treadmill, they're just going

824
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:46,140
Danny:
nowhere for days, right, they're just running and it's the same idea, it's like,

825
00:54:46,580 --> 00:54:51,740
Danny:
as you say there's no real reason to rhyme to zombies really, and if there is,

826
00:54:52,020 --> 00:54:56,760
Danny:
why can't it be normal after that building an airplane you know taking a dog

827
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,920
Danny:
a walk as a dog a zombie as well are they are they real they're going to try

828
00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:02,220
Danny:
eat the zombie bones whatever so yeah

829
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:07,600
Danny:
I'm going to start thinking that way if I get asked about zombies and such as

830
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:11,540
Danny:
but I would recommend watching The Last of Us certainly season 1 season 2 I

831
00:55:11,540 --> 00:55:14,600
Danny:
wasn't quite as sold on season 1 really really good

832
00:55:15,300 --> 00:55:21,500
Ewan:
To slightly paraphrase Adam Savage, I reject your zombie apocalypse and I replace it with my own.

833
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:25,340
Danny:
And for anybody that doesn't know Adam Savage, I will link to that in the show notes, obviously.

834
00:55:25,660 --> 00:55:29,300
Danny:
One of the cool things that episodes show notes do, they give you all the links

835
00:55:29,300 --> 00:55:32,660
Danny:
to details about everything that your host and your guest is speaking about.

836
00:55:32,780 --> 00:55:33,760
Danny:
So always check them out.

837
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:38,000
Danny:
But I like that. And I feel it's a nice way, that sensible answer is a nice

838
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,440
Danny:
way to ease out your time in a random question hot seat, mate.

839
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,880
Danny:
But this is only fair, because I've had you in the hot seat for almost an hour

840
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:48,900
Danny:
now, it's time to hand over the question Asking Baton to you.

841
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,540
Ewan:
Do you know how difficult it is trying to come up with one question?

842
00:55:52,740 --> 00:55:54,620
Danny:
That's why I use a random generator, mate.

843
00:55:55,940 --> 00:56:00,660
Ewan:
No, five. I'd be good with five, probably, because I could do a structure and a story.

844
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:07,780
Ewan:
And I have been thinking about this one. So I've decided to go back to my favourite question.

845
00:56:08,180 --> 00:56:11,260
Ewan:
And it's one that I tell people when they ask how to do interviews and podcasts

846
00:56:11,260 --> 00:56:12,860
Ewan:
or YouTubes or whatever.

847
00:56:12,860 --> 00:56:17,620
Ewan:
It's one that I've used certainly going back according to family mythology till

848
00:56:17,620 --> 00:56:24,020
Ewan:
I'm about four or five so um it's just like okay let's go with that one let's

849
00:56:24,020 --> 00:56:27,280
Ewan:
not try and do anything sneaky,

850
00:56:27,980 --> 00:56:31,780
Ewan:
let's not try and go oh I've read your LinkedIn and I see that you that you

851
00:56:31,780 --> 00:56:37,100
Ewan:
once finished third in a Crufts look-alike pedigree chum contest what you know

852
00:56:37,100 --> 00:56:40,760
Ewan:
what about that one not going to do any of that although i will ask you that

853
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:44,400
Ewan:
one when we get back into the green room right i'm.

854
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:48,380
Danny:
At it why just why yep

855
00:56:48,380 --> 00:56:51,520
Ewan:
That's yeah that's the question why why.

856
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:55,800
Danny:
And i've got to come up with a thing about why

857
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:59,920
Ewan:
You've got to answer the question i think that's the rules of the podcast that.

858
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:04,660
Danny:
Is the rules of the podcast okay why let's see why not

859
00:57:05,700 --> 00:57:08,280
Ewan:
Oh, somebody's looking at the term and going, I want to get this under an hour.

860
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:13,460
Danny:
Why not? No, I think it's like anything, mate. It's like, I mean,

861
00:57:13,500 --> 00:57:18,880
Danny:
that's a really obviously open-ended question. It could cover any, any, anything.

862
00:57:19,260 --> 00:57:25,440
Danny:
But I think at the end of the day, it's why not? Why ask that girl or guy out? Why not?

863
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:29,040
Danny:
Why put that thing in your mouth when it tastes horrible? Why not?

864
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:34,060
Danny:
I've never tried it before. Or why jump out of a perfectly working aeroplane

865
00:57:34,060 --> 00:57:37,320
Danny:
with just a piece of material in the back of you to keep you alive?

866
00:57:37,580 --> 00:57:40,900
Danny:
Why not? Never done it. Never will. I'm not that brave.

867
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:44,240
Danny:
But I think that would be my answer, mate.

868
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:48,720
Danny:
It's like, unless it was like a specific why this, why that,

869
00:57:48,780 --> 00:57:51,380
Danny:
why that or whatever, I think it always comes back to why not.

870
00:57:51,380 --> 00:57:56,200
Danny:
Because there's always a reason to do or say something, you know,

871
00:57:56,260 --> 00:57:58,400
Danny:
and it could be personal beliefs, could be political beliefs,

872
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:03,000
Danny:
This could be giving a voice to voiceless, you know, thinking the current times, etc.

873
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:07,740
Danny:
I think it comes down to why not? That would be my answer, I think.

874
00:58:08,020 --> 00:58:13,360
Danny:
And I hope that's OK, because that's such a good open-ended question that no

875
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:14,600
Danny:
one has ever come up with before.

876
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:16,040
Ewan:
Ah, yay!

877
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,280
Danny:
What would yours be, out of curiosity?

878
00:58:19,980 --> 00:58:25,120
Ewan:
I have asked that so many times. You know, it was one of the questions I,

879
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,260
Ewan:
you know, my next rename when I was growing up, who said oh here comes you

880
00:58:28,260 --> 00:58:30,960
Ewan:
and why um because i would just go what are you doing that for

881
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,500
Ewan:
why are you doing that why are you doing that why are you doing that and it is it

882
00:58:34,500 --> 00:58:38,080
Ewan:
is a curiousness it is an instinctiveness it's

883
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:42,160
Ewan:
i think it's just a sort of general question to just

884
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:47,640
Ewan:
ask yourself anybody around you you know why are you doing something why did

885
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:51,020
Ewan:
you do that why are you making that decision why am i doing that thing i think

886
00:58:51,020 --> 00:58:57,000
Ewan:
it is a a lovely encapsulation of the human condition it can be a very personal

887
00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:02,040
Ewan:
question it can be a wonderful question in a group as you said it is open ended,

888
00:59:03,060 --> 00:59:09,800
Ewan:
but it is just something that will always advance what you're doing.

889
00:59:11,130 --> 00:59:14,250
Ewan:
You know as you've seen here you know one word

890
00:59:14,250 --> 00:59:17,210
Ewan:
why led to your answer you why not and then

891
00:59:17,210 --> 00:59:20,190
Ewan:
yes i can see what you've done i've done this long enough you've

892
00:59:20,190 --> 00:59:22,970
Ewan:
thrown the same question back at me that's fine because it

893
00:59:22,970 --> 00:59:26,630
Ewan:
allows you know why why it advances

894
00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:29,830
Ewan:
conversation and if it advances conversation it

895
00:59:29,830 --> 00:59:33,610
Ewan:
advances understanding and if it advances understanding

896
00:59:33,610 --> 00:59:37,370
Ewan:
then it advances compassion and empathy

897
00:59:37,370 --> 00:59:40,610
Ewan:
it advances emotion it advances

898
00:59:40,610 --> 00:59:44,190
Ewan:
togetherness you know we are as a

899
00:59:44,190 --> 00:59:48,830
Ewan:
species so shattered so broken

900
00:59:48,830 --> 00:59:58,050
Ewan:
and the the challenges that are facing the world are immense and the only way

901
00:59:58,050 --> 01:00:06,830
Ewan:
to solve those challenges are for people to band together to ask why to come up with sensible,

902
01:00:07,310 --> 01:00:12,670
Ewan:
well-thought-out answers, emotional answers, you know, to challenge people,

903
01:00:12,810 --> 01:00:17,430
Ewan:
to not only hear the answer to the question why, but to also go why.

904
01:00:17,650 --> 01:00:24,190
Ewan:
I mean, if you stop going me or this in any of the circumstances that are happening

905
01:00:24,190 --> 01:00:29,010
Ewan:
today and just go why and then challenge the answer.

906
01:00:29,230 --> 01:00:31,770
Ewan:
And the easiest way to challenge a why answer is just to do it again.

907
01:00:32,170 --> 01:00:35,550
Ewan:
Why? Why are you doing this?

908
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:42,180
Ewan:
And that is how we evolve. That is how the human condition grows.

909
01:00:42,380 --> 01:00:46,100
Ewan:
That is how, as Douglas Adams, we get out the trees.

910
01:00:46,340 --> 01:00:52,600
Ewan:
That is how we get digital watches. That is how we make this world a little

911
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:55,360
Ewan:
bit better than how we found it.

912
01:00:55,560 --> 01:01:03,840
Ewan:
And if everybody does that, if everybody makes one tiny positive change by simply going, why?

913
01:01:04,380 --> 01:01:08,460
Ewan:
Why should you do that? because the world will be in a better place and you

914
01:01:08,460 --> 01:01:10,420
Ewan:
will leave it in a better place for the next generation.

915
01:01:10,660 --> 01:01:15,000
Ewan:
And then they will ask why. Why did they do that? Then why am I not doing it

916
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:16,020
Ewan:
for the next generation?

917
01:01:16,420 --> 01:01:20,140
Ewan:
And that will cascade down the years.

918
01:01:20,620 --> 01:01:25,060
Ewan:
You and I, this podcast is probably going to be gone in 10 years.

919
01:01:25,060 --> 01:01:26,660
Ewan:
It'll be undiscoverable in 50.

920
01:01:26,740 --> 01:01:29,500
Ewan:
And our names will not be shining there in 100 years.

921
01:01:29,620 --> 01:01:35,560
Ewan:
But the impact we make and the impact that cascades down, that is why we do this.

922
01:01:35,860 --> 01:01:40,900
Ewan:
That is why I do this. This is why we create art or jobs or science or creativity.

923
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:45,400
Ewan:
It's because we want to take another step forward. And everybody who tries to

924
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,500
Ewan:
take it a step back should be challenged at every single moment.

925
01:01:48,900 --> 01:01:50,460
Ewan:
And they should be said, why?

926
01:01:50,940 --> 01:01:54,520
Ewan:
And if they do not come up with an answer, you challenge them again and again

927
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:57,960
Ewan:
and again. And that is how we get out of the hole that we're in right now.

928
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:04,620
Danny:
And I think that is a fantastic place to close this episode off.

929
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:09,740
Danny:
If that doesn't give listeners a reason why to check out your stuff that we're

930
01:02:09,740 --> 01:02:13,960
Danny:
going to ask about right now then there's no reason because that's the perfect

931
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:19,800
Danny:
reason and I love that explanation and as a dad I've got two kids I've got two

932
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:23,520
Danny:
teens I do have concerns about what the world's going to be like for them

933
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:27,540
Danny:
when I was a young man's age like when I was in my early 20s what's it going

934
01:02:27,540 --> 01:02:30,560
Danny:
to be like for them in say 10 years time and I think that's perfect mate I think

935
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:33,820
Danny:
that asking why and challenging back like you said there

936
01:02:34,670 --> 01:02:38,150
Danny:
Perfect. And a perfect way to end this time on the hot seat.

937
01:02:38,170 --> 01:02:42,270
Danny:
So I appreciate the question and I super appreciate your extended answer.

938
01:02:42,550 --> 01:02:46,210
Danny:
When I cheated a little bit and asked why, why not, but I asked you to expand on that.

939
01:02:46,750 --> 01:02:52,170
Danny:
So Ewan, for people that want to know more about you and hear more of your thoughts

940
01:02:52,170 --> 01:02:56,330
Danny:
like this, hear more of your stuff on Eurovision, baseball, maybe read your

941
01:02:56,330 --> 01:02:58,870
Danny:
blog, because I know you have a blog that you posted on again.

942
01:02:59,850 --> 01:03:03,890
Danny:
Anywhere that you've got awesome, cool stuff going on. where's the best places

943
01:03:03,890 --> 01:03:08,170
Danny:
to either catch up with that listen read or even connect with you mate

944
01:03:08,690 --> 01:03:11,910
Ewan:
This has been my weak spot for for all the time i'm creating stuff

945
01:03:11,910 --> 01:03:14,590
Ewan:
getting the proper marketing behind it that's a little bit

946
01:03:14,590 --> 01:03:17,390
Ewan:
more tricky so the obvious places start off with the blog

947
01:03:17,390 --> 01:03:20,630
Ewan:
which is you and spence.co.uk slash blog um there's

948
01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:23,570
Ewan:
a bit there for social media links so that will link you to the the

949
01:03:23,570 --> 01:03:26,390
Ewan:
blue skies the links in the the youtube the other

950
01:03:26,390 --> 01:03:29,490
Ewan:
sites and stuff so that's how you would get in touch with me um

951
01:03:29,490 --> 01:03:32,390
Ewan:
in terms of the the projects that we have mentioned let's

952
01:03:32,390 --> 01:03:35,670
Ewan:
run down those just now so eurovisioninsight.com or

953
01:03:35,670 --> 01:03:38,790
Ewan:
escinsight.com but both urls will will work

954
01:03:38,790 --> 01:03:41,650
Ewan:
there's over a thousand podcasts there most of

955
01:03:41,650 --> 01:03:44,730
Ewan:
them feature me but it is essentially a collective so

956
01:03:44,730 --> 01:03:48,310
Ewan:
you will find other voices going on in there um

957
01:03:48,310 --> 01:03:52,610
Ewan:
in terms of baseball two places i'll give you youtube.com slash ampersand baseball

958
01:03:52,610 --> 01:03:56,290
Ewan:
scotland and some number search for baseball scotland on youtube um it's the

959
01:03:56,290 --> 01:04:00,190
Ewan:
scottish amateur league we started to do youtube and streaming two years ago

960
01:04:00,190 --> 01:04:05,290
Ewan:
i had to rapidly teach myself how to be a baseball commentator so you will find my efforts there.

961
01:04:06,150 --> 01:04:09,250
Ewan:
It's the off-season, so I'm carrying on doing baseball commentary by commentating

962
01:04:09,250 --> 01:04:13,350
Ewan:
on historical games from the 40s, 50s and 60s because we still have the paper

963
01:04:13,350 --> 01:04:15,690
Ewan:
record of what happened, so I could pretend to be a commentator.

964
01:04:15,810 --> 01:04:20,190
Ewan:
From the 1940s, welcome! The Gillette Safety Reservoir Company welcomes you

965
01:04:20,190 --> 01:04:23,010
Ewan:
to Kaminsky Park and today's... and all of that stuff.

966
01:04:23,110 --> 01:04:26,650
Ewan:
That's classicbaseballradio.com, or again, search for that on Spotify,

967
01:04:26,690 --> 01:04:29,570
Ewan:
podcasts and YouTube as well.

968
01:04:30,350 --> 01:04:35,630
Ewan:
I mentioned the Cats podcast. So a lot of my older podcasts are kind of like only running,

969
01:04:36,210 --> 01:04:39,450
Ewan:
intermittently you'll find that the podcast corner.com um

970
01:04:39,450 --> 01:04:42,470
Ewan:
my cat's tail is in there the um the edinburgh festival

971
01:04:42,470 --> 01:04:45,290
Ewan:
fringe podcast is in there that only really runs in august

972
01:04:45,290 --> 01:04:50,530
Ewan:
because that's when the festival is on um and there's another couple more dawning

973
01:04:50,530 --> 01:04:54,350
Ewan:
in there but yeah if you get the social media links um from the blog if you

974
01:04:54,350 --> 01:04:58,250
Ewan:
just search for you and spence.co.uk on blue sky that's probably the place for

975
01:04:58,250 --> 01:05:03,410
Ewan:
for the immediate thing yeah i'm about not very visible which.

976
01:05:03,410 --> 01:05:05,870
Danny:
Is a shame Like a good Scotsman, you're about. You're not just here,

977
01:05:05,970 --> 01:05:07,050
Danny:
there. You're everywhere, mate.

978
01:05:07,210 --> 01:05:11,850
Ewan:
So just stand in a room at a web conference and shout, why? And I'll go, oh, that's me.

979
01:05:12,570 --> 01:05:17,810
Danny:
That's Ewan. Say hello. But as always, I will leave all these links in the episode show notes.

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Danny:
So whatever podcast app you're listening on, or even listening to this on the

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Danny:
website, just check the episode show notes out.

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Danny:
It will link out to the good and average stuff that Ewan is doing.

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Danny:
So be sure to check the notes out.

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Danny:
So again, Ewan, thanks for taking the time today to appear on the 5 Random Questions hot seat.

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Ewan:
Lovely. Thank you very much. been a pleasure.

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Danny:
Thanks for listening to 5 Random Questions and if this was your first time

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Danny:
here feel free to hit follow and check out past episodes if you enjoyed this

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Danny:
week's episode i'd love for you to leave a review on the app you're currently

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Danny:
listening on and if you know someone else that would enjoy the show be sure

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Danny:
to send them this way it's very much appreciated until the next time keep asking those questions