Those schoolies, they knew exactly what they were getting themselves into. Not

once has come back to me and gone, oh, I felt unsafe.

I had this predisposition of fuck, I have no idea

about who this person is. After speaking to you, it's not me

reading what other people are writing about you online, it's me getting to

Lily Phillips. I don't know if she regretted it or she was just dealing with a

lot of emotions. Other people were just saying that she's only doing it because

People will see the success that you guys have had building this.

They are a little bit jealous. The women also probably that are

coming at you would just be jealous that they can't get into the

Welcome to the Better Bloke Podcast. I'm Matty. I'm Rob. And

we're just a pair of average blokes on a mission to try and be a

We're going to speak about all things highs and lows of what it feels like to be a bloke,

plus speak to some legends along the way about what it takes to be a better bloke. Let's

get stuck in. Do

you feel special? You're our first

I can make this joke. I can't. That

is a great chat. No, but you are. You're our first

And she's a porn star. So we were saving our first female

guest for one specific porn star. Angela. I told you that,

yeah. So you're now before Angela. Slay.

Let's jump into it. You might recognize today's guest

from some headlines that have been going around over the last year or two. Now,

it's easy to get some preconceived notions about someone when

you see the Daily Telegraph or social media sheet going viral, but

we've been chatting to her for the better part of a year now, and we were

kind of lucky enough to meet her at Summon Arts and sit down and

have like a bit of an in-chat person to person conversation,

no cameras, no social media bullshit, and kind of learn the person that

she is behind the scenes. And we think it was a really good chat and

something that we want to talk about. So it's a one and only Kay

Yeah. So this chat we had at Summoner, it's like, I guess it was

over a couple of days you were swinging past the store and we were just having

yarns and a lot of the stuff that, you know, you're facing online

in terms of criticism and the headlines

and people making assumptions about you is similar to what we've been through in the past with

Blows Advice. So it was kind of a cool place to

connect and hear your experience of behind the scenes.

Yeah, no I honestly cop a lot and people

I guess just don't realise that at the end of the day we're all human and

that we do take things in even though I pretend

not to. I definitely see all of the stuff on social media and

Is it something that you've had to grow with? Like obviously you've

become bigger and bigger and there's more news about you and with that comes

all that heat. Has that been something that you've been able to

grow and learn how to deal with? Or is it something that

Yeah, I mean it definitely always will hit home but it's

been a progression over time and I'm really lucky in

that sense that my career has kind of

gone slowly up. So I didn't just like come out

of the blue like one day and I was just famous or like everyone knew

me. It's been a progression and so I've been able to kind of grasp

the comments and like they've just gotten worse and worse over

time so like I've learned how to deal with it

really slowly. I don't really

even have any proper like coping mechanisms. I

think that switching my phone off is probably the best idea that

you can do. Just stay offline, not reading the comments even

It's so hard not to. And you like, you're always as a person, like it

doesn't matter if like you're a man, you're a woman, you're always going to focus on

that negative. So there'll be like 10 comments. Out

of those 10 comments, you'll have maybe eight positive ones, but

it's those two negative ones that are gonna really, really

affect you, isn't it? Switch that around for me, babe.

Every single comment is basically negative, but at the end of the day, For

in my instance, for my occupation, they are making me money

because they're driving those analytics. And regardless of

whatever they say, I'm going to be making

Making cash, baby. But the fact that you have turned it

into a career means it's not all negative. There's obviously

I think there's also a lot of people behind the scenes, and I talk about this just all

the time in social media, that people

will say one thing, but they'll go and watch. If you're

making some explicit content, they'll go and watch it. They'll comment something negative,

but they'll either be intrigued or secretly want to or

secretly like it, something along those lines, but they're just

that's something that I noticed at like at SummerNats where

obviously I've seen like all the comments that your stuff gets.

And a lot of the time people would see those comments

online and assume that they would associate that with like all those men that

attend SummerNats because they're like, oh, you know, they're misogynistic, they're

pigs, they're bogans, they do this, this, this. You got so

much love at SummerNats. Like everyone was just coming up wanting to get photos with

you. They wanted to have a chat with you. And like, it was, it

almost seemed as if your experience of SummerNats was

much like, like SummerNats is my happy place. And I've said it so many times, your

experience there was like, it was like a special

Oh, honestly, I'd never heard of SummerNats before. Cause I'm not really a

car person, but being there, it kind

of felt like home weirdly enough. Cause like, Like I don't do

the car thing, but just the community that

I saw. I've never really even liked

kind of like the whole drag racing thing, but I saw just

the relationships that people were having, people were uplifting each

other. And it was such a special place to be. And then along also

that I was getting love. I was getting shown a lot of love actually, getting

people pull me and stuff for photos, which was like

crazy to think that my name is kind of starting to get out

Yeah, I don't think of your name when I think Summer Nats

but you very much changed my perception of that after just

I'll be back next year 100% after that it will

So will we, so we'll see you there. Yeah, exactly. That leads into,

I guess, the online reaction versus in-person reaction.

So, behind a keyboard, everyone's a hero, they can say what

they want. There's a level of animosity. Animosity? Animosity

is the word, good job. I was trying to say animinate. Anyway,

But in person, often people don't have the front to

come up. Have you had the in-person experiences? Because I

Like all the negative impact of things. Yeah. Yeah. People will always

have some sort of opinion regardless of whatever it is about me, whether it's

what I do for work, whether it's like just me as a person, because I

think that they know me. But at the end of the day, they

see what I want them to see. And I'm sure everyone talks about this on

podcasts that has something to do with social media. but they see exactly

what we portray to the media and

to social media. But in terms of like negative stuff, not really. Yeah,

you might get called a name, but I feel like a lot

of people get the same thing. I've never had a hugely bad

reaction, but I always do take security just because some

things get out of hand. Like at SummerNats on the Saturday, I was

actually kind of unsafe because there was just so much happening.

There was like 10 people around me, pulling me for photos. And

like, they weren't disrespectful at all. They were really great people. Like they

were respectful in terms of like asking if they could like,

you know, get my tits out or whatever.

I was open to that. And I kind of

gave off that vibe rather than like being

like, Oh no, don't do that. Like I gave them that vibe, but

it was just like a lot of people around me. trying to,

And Saturday is, so I had this conversation with guys down there.

Cause obviously like I had my little fella down there and we

did not go out on that Saturday just because it was the

vibe felt like it felt like a positive vibe, but just

because of that amount of people, like things

It didn't. It was very, very good. It's been pretty cool. Yeah. So obviously something to

But yeah, even just like not from a wounds perspective, even from like just a

I felt really, really safe to be honest. And I, cause I

was told, I think you told me actually coming down your leg, just be

careful because you know, some things do get out of hand, but

I think it was an absolutely fantastic vibe. And I think the organisers

They did. Shout out to Summonats for this year's one because

Security and the police presence. And everyone had fun too. Yeah,

it's kept the vibe of this kind of reckless rowdy event, but

in a space where it doesn't feel like it's going to go full blown

riot, which, you know, we don't really want. We want that like edge

which it sort of happened last year. I think just like people have

a predisposition to me, I kind of had that about

the event when I kind of started looking into it. I was like, oh, here

we go. This is going to be so, this is going to be disgusting. I'm

not going to want to be there. And it changed my whole

thought process on the kind of

car community and whatnot, because I've kind of

had some shitty experiences with people in the past, but that's like one person

out of the whole community, right? and there's always going to be one bad apple.

Well I sort of had that with like we were just talking before, I had this predisposition

of like you as a person just from seeing what you see online and

I'll come out right now and say I'm a piece of shit for doing so. Never said

anything but like in my own mind I was like okay

you know yeah fuck hey I have no idea about who

this person is, I only see what I see. After speaking to you,

like we had a good conversation, it was just real raw honest conversation. I

was like, fuck, Kay is like a good person. And

I've got all the time in the world for you now because it's

not me reading what other people are writing about you online,

it's me getting to know you in person and having that real raw conversation,

Yeah, I'm just a normal person. I always will be, regardless of whether

I'm famous, whether I'm not, I'm always going to stay the same. Might have a

bit more money and I might do more glamorous things, but at the end of the day,

I'm just going to be that kid from Coffs Harbour that grew

He's hoping for the cash bit. So

in terms of putting out provocative content, we do it too with blokes advice, we

make all these sort of jokes and you kind of got to take the

good with the bad or you got to be accountable for what you're putting out there.

And we've had these discussions like on Instagram and stuff where like

you might've been having a tougher time when things are really kicking off. And

you've got to ask yourself, you know, is it worth it? And be accountable. If

you're putting that stuff out into the public sphere, there

is going to be a backlash. Like, not

to victim blame, because we do this. If you put it out

there, you've got to be willing to take what comes back. You've got to be accountable that

Do you have to deal with this with each and every step you take into this sphere? Like,

everything is very calculated with what I do. I always,

I try to plan things out as best as I can, so the whole schoolie

situation, that was all planned, that was exactly

the reaction that I wanted, and I got it. And

I basically added myself to the whole world. But

I thought, you know what, it's time to get the fire started,

you know? But yeah, as I said, every action has

a reaction. And at the end of the day, as long as you're

I think that's sort of something that specifically in your line of work like you

need to uphold every single law because it's

criminal if you don't. Like that's probably something that

not everyone read the articles and they read what you were doing and all this sort of thing

and they just went terrible, terrible person. Not actually knowing

that everything's above board, you're doing what you need to

do and you had it preempted just to exactly

Oh, I knew, like, I knew that the reaction that I was

going to get was going to impact my personal life, but I

saw the business perspective, like the

A worthy trade off. Like, you know what you're doing. Like a lot of people might

see people doing like what you're doing and just doing it

flying off the cuff, just acting erratically. But it's

your business at the end of the day, whether or not people agree or

disagree with the line of work or how you're conducting yourself, it's

on them. They can disagree with that, but as long as it

makes sense to you and it's worth it for your trade-off. I remember during

the whole schoolies thing, we had a chat and you were kind of down in the dumps a

Oh yeah. Oh yeah, 100% we can go into that. I

was very, very down in the dumps. ...very

close to like doing some stupid things. Now

I'm not going to say that I was suicidal because I don't get like that. But

I was definitely very down. I had some...I had a great support network

to be honest. And I went in...went in to schoolies with

that support network... ...knowing that everyone was going to be around me for that. And

like it was all coming. Because it was only a matter of time before everyone

found out everything. So I was like, why

not? Best place, best time to do

it. Get it out of the way. And yeah,

look at where I am now. Like, frigging, I'm about

to fly all around the world. I'm doing a world trip. But one

thing I do have to say is the top owners in

the kind of adult industry as such are the smartest

people. like a lot of people have that predisposition that

we talked about of them doing nothing like

you know just sitting there taking some provocative pictures or

content and then just posting it and that's how they make a

million dollars that's not like i'm out here doing

podcasts every couple of days you know doing all this promotion There's

so much that goes behind the scenes. I think I called you and I've done like three, four meetings yesterday.

Yeah. When we were chatting, we're talking about PR agencies. We're talking about

news outlets and like all the same stuff that goes into any other

online business. Like that's, that's how you approach it. Right.

And that is how all these top creators are approaching it. Right. And

people think they just put a tripod in the corner and job's done. I

Going back to what you were saying before, you pre-empted all the ways that

the schoolie saga would play out, but then it

affected you mentally. Did you think

it was going to affect you mentally with everything coming out, or was that something that hit

you front on, just making you go, oh shit, wait a

I definitely expected it. But I didn't

expect it to hit me the way it did. It

Somewhat. I was basically, I was a little bit

outed the year before. And then, so it

kind of somewhat prepared me for the next 12 months. I

don't think you can ever be prepared to have something

like that come out. Because you kind of just kick it to the

back burner and hope it goes away. But all my friends were

like, you can't kick this one to the back burner. You're going to have to face

it head on. And that's what I did. And now I am completely, yeah,

I remember the discussion we had one time and it was, you

were upset down in the dumps a little bit and

we were talking about mental health and I'm like, you do whatever you

want to do, girl, but a lot

of your, you're driven by money a lot. You're trying

to kill it, be a fucking boss. And I just

posed, you have to really look at the question is,

is it all worth it? And I think you have and

you know that it is. Yeah. But maybe at that time when you were

down in the dumps, you didn't expect to be feeling quite

that shitty. So you hadn't really had everything

Oh, I was questioning. Definitely like it. The

questions going through my head, you know, my family were even like, what,

what are you doing? Like, what is your plan? What's your next steps? You

know, are you, are you going to continue in this industry? Are you

going to kind of just leave it be and move to something else? I was like,

no, absolutely not. Like, I right now

don't know, like at the time I didn't know at all. I was just trying

to get through and I was just talking to people and

just, I took like, I think two or three days just to recoup and then started

getting back into everything, because the job doesn't stop. It's

24 hours a day, seven days a week. Even Christmas Day, you don't really get

a break. And I wish people

kind of knew that and had some more sympathy for the

adult workers that actually do work really hard. But at

the end of the day, they also make

Yeah, because you're certainly not dumb. You're very, very smart with

how you analytically play everything out. And

I think that's, it's very apparent. But yeah,

I think more people need to realise that it's

Yeah, I try and be as respectful to everyone as I can and

do unto others that I'd want to be done to me. Like

when I was kind of doing the schoolie stuff, those

schoolies, they knew exactly what they were getting themselves into. And

not one, since all of it's come out, has come back to me and

gone, oh, I felt unsafe or I don't want that up.

They were all like, oh my gosh, I'm going to be famous too. Like they

took it as a positive thing. So yeah,

A lot of the commentary and bloke's advice was, where are these girls when I was

Yeah, exactly right. And you know what? The males are the ones

that have been actually pretty OK with it. But

it's the wives that have been like, nah, this is disgusting. We

don't want our kids, which is understandable to an extent. But

at the end of the day, they were coming to us. You

know, these men were coming and still are coming. And

my DMs are going off like, can we continue school

years? I'm like, we're a bit past that now.

And I think it's not just like you being you but

like the girls like Bonnie Blue and all that sort of stuff. They faced all the similar

sort of backlash. Yeah. So, it's people having problems with

like older people and younger people. Like all these different

issues. It's a very nuanced topic. So, obviously you're

I think that's pretty... We're just trying to do our job at the end of the day and... Getting

people to talk is what we're here for. We're

not here to hurt anyone's feelings or make anyone feel

like a piece of shit. We're actually here to pleasure people at the end of

the day. That's my main goal. Make money and make

Moving forward, so part of this kind

of industry is like a lot of people are trying to go bigger and better. The

next big thing. When you think about all

the stuff that you got coming up, do you have to set yourself limits of

like I don't want to go here or is it I'm

The progression of my career has definitely been a build-up. So

when I first started, it was quite literally just social

media and then I did start The Only Fans. And then

on That Only Fans was quite literally me fully clothed. And

then it started to become unclothed like into bikinis

and then we went into lingerie and then I think it was after

12 months I started doing lingerie and then it wasn't until

about 18 months in until I actually thought like

filmed my first kind of pornographic scene which was

more of an amateur like I did with an ex-partner. It wasn't

even with any other creator. And then it's progressed from there

to then creators and now doing the schoolies and

the, I guess, non-industry based people that you

would kind of talk about. So with the,

yeah, like you've got to try and go

slow because there's only so much that we can do. Like,

as everyone's already talking about Bonnie Blue and A Thousand Men, like, what's

next? Right. So I want to

make sure that I kind of do little hurdles, which

That girl. Yeah. So I'm not fully aware

of the full situation, but I saw some video after where,

I don't know if she regretted it or she was just dealing with a lot of emotions. Do

And there was, the comments were all over the place.

Like, Yeah. Some people were, you

know, blaming men for taking advantage of her but it was her choice.

Other people were just saying she shouldn't have done it in the first place. She's only doing

it because she's pushed herself in that direction. What's your take

I think they're both fabulous women to be completely fair. I've

met Lily and I'm best friends with Bonnie. I

think she did such a great job at that time. I know the feeling. I

haven't done the full hundred men in that amount

of time, but I know that there's like a

certain level of connection that you have when you participate

in a sexual act with someone, regardless of whether it's just a kiss. I

actually find kissing more kind of intimate than

a penetrative act. We've had this discussion

Yep. Off camera we'll keep that for another time.

But I think yeah there just would have been a lot of emotions going through her. She would have just been really

tired. Like it's sometimes it can

be really hard to pleasure a guy and then sometimes it can be very easy.

You know different guys like different things. some guys take

a little bit longer, some guys are quicker than others. So

she would have been just dealing with a lot in her head and at the end of the day what

we're driven for is the financial benefit and it

did amazingly for her. Look at her now, she would have made one

or two million from that. So I applaud her and

I'm sure that there's going to be more to come. Um,

we're all starting to level up and go bigger and better. If

you see the progression of like porn, for example, 10 years

ago, I don't think we were really watching gang bangs. And

now as soon as I opened my homepage, look, it's like hardcore

Do you reckon that's because it's, Well, it's

the way that's sort of similar to social media where

everyone pushes themselves that far now and you do it in a personal sense that

you get stale with something. So, you just have to... You want more and more and more.

And that's with OnlyFans content as well. Like, we were just doing

one guy. And then now, then we started doing

threesomes and that was like... that was abnormal but

now like 10 years ago to really like have two guys or

two girls like yes it was done don't get me wrong but it wasn't like

just the normal now we're taking three or four in

one hole like mental. That's wild.

Ouch. Ouch. But like you said, it's not dissimilar to

social media, like the prank channels and stuff like that. Some

of the pranks going around nowadays, like back in the day it was

filling up a car with beanbag balls. And now it's like some

shit that borders on like just, I don't

But they have to push that progression of what's going to hit, what's

Is there a ceiling in the adult industry? Is there ever going

to be a point where, I guess it's sort of like the action sports, people just keep

pushing themselves further and further and further trying to invent these new tricks. There's

going to get to a point where it's

not physically possible to progress any further. Is

I think it will get to the point where people start hurting themselves in

terms of like medically. I mean, I know a few people

that have gone to hospital because they've tried different things, even just like something

as simple as, you know, putting up like a plug up

your ass. Like some people have got that stuck in them. So there

will come a point, but I don't think we've reached that point yet. I think

it will be a little while because there's different things you can do as well. Like I'm

going to spring break in literally a week and a half and

I'm just going to be with all the spring breakers filming content. So

just like the whole event side of things rather than like Schoolies

was more about the age now. I'm kind of doing the event So

I'll do spring break and then I'll come back and I'll do Rocky Nats

and I'm gonna go to motor X and I'm gonna do all of those things

because it's the demographic and You know, it's a different

event to kind of go to and promote that doing you're a full-blown

car girl now after some of that site You're converted. I am actually very

Like, I saw so many people I knew as well, which was so random.

I remember it was like two days out and

you sent me a message, do you know car people in this area? I'm like, holy shit.

I know. And I will never like, say that I'm like any Renee Gracie but goddamn

like that was some like I did really well there if I

was like trying to make money

I'm sure I would have made like a bunch of money but I just the

promotion I got alone those three

When it comes to reinventing yourself, like a lot of the blokes we talk

to try and reinvent themselves, say post-divorce or coming into

manhood, you know, you're probably like the expert. You're

a bit of an expert at that. And not just like, you know, gone

from a child to who you are now, but your

character, your job, there's a lot of things that go into that. Friendship

circles, family, all those things. What has been some

I think it's the friendships, definitely. Look,

everyone says it, you've got to keep your circle tight because

people turn on you the first chance that they get, especially

when money comes into play and fame or

just views in general. People will fight over you

getting more views than they do. It's actually really stupid. So,

I would say just the friendship kind of hurdle. I

moved out of my small town, Coffs Harbour. Everyone already knows that, it's no

secret. I absolutely hated it and I moved

up to the Gold Coast and I'm thriving. I'm literally travelling

the world every two seconds. I'm barely even in the country. So,

yeah, it's just the friendship circles I think that's kind of the

Did you find that that move sort of helped with the reinventing you

because it sort of sounds cliche, but

like you're leaving your home some like a fresh start almost?

Yeah, it was almost like a fresh start. There was

people that knew me up in the Gold Coast, but not really. But

Being that you were now based on the Gold Coast, Gold Coast is

essentially the hub for influencers in Australia. I

Yeah, when I describe the Gold Coast to people

that aren't from Australia, I would say it's the Miami LA

of Australia because it has the heat, it has all the glitz

And people

I guess a lot of them will flaunt money that they don't have. They'll get the

rental cars, they'll get the yachts and pretend like they're theirs. And

that's what a lot of people do in LA and Miami. It's all on

show. I know that there's a private jet that you can hire. like

a fake private jet set in LA that you can hire. It's

that people just want to pretend like they're all this and all that and that's

all the Gold Coast is. And these people just stay on the Gold Coast, they

I find that so hard to comprehend, to

go to that level of trying to put a facade on. just to

appease a whole bunch of people online where, like,

I like to think that we're pretty authentic. It doesn't appease a lot of people,

as we've found out. But it's, like, our demographic of

who we put out what we do too,

like, we don't try and pretend to be anyone we're not. We don't try and pretend to

Yeah, if you can be authentic in the way that you put yourself out

there and you can truly say I'm just

trying to be me, at least you know the way people react

to you is genuine because you're being genuine in

what you put out. So if people fuck with you, you don't have to

maintain a facade because it wasn't. They like you because of whatever

shit you put out there. So I think that goes across your whole

life. And on the Gold Coast, yeah, people are inflating

their personalities. They are chauvinistic. They're, you

know, half the time they're battling with

people, getting nice cars, getting nice shit on

debt to compete with people who are also doing it on

debt. So they're like competing against

The people that do have it, they honestly don't show it. Like,

I've met billionaires that genuinely dress in

the shittest of clothes. And again, it's something that

people say all the time. You'll just never know who has money and who

doesn't. Like, yes, I dress nicely. Maybe I might have

some money. Maybe I don't. You would just never know because I

put on the facade that I have all this money. But at the

end of the day, I could have $10. I could be in debt $60,000. You

I think that's probably a good note that no one

should make assumptions on other people's appearances or who

they are as a person. That's probably the big take out I get from

So what would you say your purpose and goal is? Is it right now that

money, fame and fortune? Or is there something else cooking underneath

Look, when I was little, when I was growing up, I don't know if you remember the Pussycat Dolls.

Yeah. I used to listen to the song when I grew up and it was literally

all about glitz and glam and having money and being famous and all

of that. And you know, like, it's great. I love being seen.

And I think that's kind of that is a push. But at the end of

the day, I just want to set myself up. So financially,

so I want to buy properties and just have kind of businesses in

place so that when I do leave the industry, that I'm

not stuck, that I have stuff behind me. And

that's what a lot of us are doing behind the scenes that people don't see

that we are investing. And at the end, like, you know, in 20 years time when

people say, oh, you'll have no superannuation, you'll

have nothing, you won't have your looks anymore. But babe,

we are investing and we are doing the smart thing. Regardless of

whether I'm investing in the country or out of the country or into whatever

business it is, we are doing the smart thing

behind the scenes. love that that's something people

don't think about and we had that conversation but we also try not to

talk about it because the more that some

of for some of our branding not everyone but for

some of our brandings it is to be dumb

and to be ditzy because that's what sells And

in particular for me, people like do think that I'm dumb. So

when I jump on a podcast like this and display some

even inch of intelligence, people might even

get turned off by that. It's like, oh, okay, she has

Well, that's why we wanted to get you on. Because like Rob said earlier, actually

having those conversations offline over the course of time. It's

been a while. It's been a while. It definitely changed that perception and

we think our audience should see this side of you. Because we

are, man, I hate those articles that go out. They go out

Dailymail.co.uk. Why are you talking about Australia? It's

fair. They do it all the time. Yeah. I'm off it.

Oh, that's a slay. Yeah, there's like... Any publicity is good publicity at the end of

Maybe don't. Anyway, anyway. Going,

so going on, you just said like your future proofing or your, like

your future endeavors and what you're doing financially to set yourself up. rolling

it back a little bit to be more like personal future. Do

you have any plans to like settle down one day and get

married and what picket fence do like do you see because

obviously I've never really spoken to like a woman in your industry to

know if that's your end goal what the I'm out of the loop

Yeah I mean I've had partners from time to time and like

at one point I did have a partner like drop me off at like a full

service booking because I also kind of step into that realm of the industry and

he was more than like fine with it because he also

saw financial gain in that as well. At

the end of the day, we all crave, as humans, love. But

I think at this point, right now, I'm happy with just wrong

punches, staying single. But eventually, I will

get to that point where I will want someone special in my life. I

don't think my view on having children,

whether it's any form of adoption or surrogacy, I

don't think I see that in my future at all. I'm too selfish

with my money. At the end of the day, a lot of the things that

I think about come down to money. I'm just too selfish for that. There's

so many things that I want to achieve and do. So

kids just wouldn't, for me, be something that

I want. but I and that also kind of sparks the

whole conversation about you know adult workers and You

know, why would you be in the adult industry if you want kids or have kids?

I just it for me I don't want them. So I know that I

can pursue this long longer term I

guess so to speak Yeah, I

would love to get married one day but there obviously only be

a handful of men that would be

mature enough to open the conversation up.

Because I think when they have a conversation with me, people can

understand why I do what I do and how

I do it. With ex-partners,

I have somewhat toned it down so I can see

if the relationship's worth it or not. And then obviously it gets

to that point and they're gone and I just ramp back up

again. Schoolies happens and spring break happens. whatnot,

Yeah, there's a lot of comments like that like Talking

about future partners and stuff. There's a lot of people in this world

I know there's a lot of guys that are way more open-minded than some

of these guys in the comment section So I think it's out there one

day But you're very much aware like we spoke

about at the start with doing certain things there's a

trade-off in all aspects of life and And as long as you're aware

that you are going to have to find that kind of partner, which you

just said you are, I think that's totally fine and people can back the

I think also my type of man is

the man that wouldn't want his woman doing that. So

to be fair, I don't think I'll actually find anyone because someone,

yeah, they wouldn't respect it. But that's

the type of man I like. I don't know, just... It sounds

so weird. I think we always want what we can't have at the end of the day.

It's the chase. We've spoken about the chase so many times with regardless

if it's the chase for love, it's the chase for success. You're

always drawn to something that you know is going to need more

work to attain. If someone was to just give you something, you wouldn't appreciate it.

I'm not even that much older. I just look really old. I've

Yeah, same. With all the plastic in my face.

But as we were talking about with the reinventing, there's a lot

of people that have done all sorts of stuff, whether they were like a

crazy cage fighter, whether they've been in prison for 20 years. Totally

fine to reinvent yourself, find someone else that's reinvented themselves. Who

No, I know what life has to hold for the next 12 months at

I've got a plan. I have basically the next six months kind

of already planned. Like, yeah, like I've got six

months locked in, but things up and change in

my life so quickly. Um, I've been filming a TV pilot,

TV show pilot, you know, been coming on podcasts every couple

of days, radio, the articles are never ending. They,

they come out at least once a week, you know, the paparazzi literally come and

sit out the front of my, apartment building just to take pictures of

me getting coffee. What's that like? That's got to be really confronting, isn't

it? It's confusing. Like that's the adjective

I'd use is confusing because I still see

myself as just Kay Manuel, like just, you

know, the Gold Coast gal. But apparently I'm

worth it to hire a photographer to sit at the

front of my building for eight to however long

they did. Um, I've had, yeah, it's been, I

caught, I've caught them once. And then the rest of the times that

they've taken photos, I've just searched my name up online or

got the article sent to me. I'm like, Oh, okay. I didn't realize

anyone was there. And so anytime I like leave the house, I need to

make sure I'm somewhat presentable because these photos are going to

That's got to be pretty scary though, that people are taking pictures of you without you actually knowing.

Yeah, I mean I stick around. I know where I'm going when

I leave the house. I make sure I'm kind of either with people

or I'm within a certain area because

We do have to jump into an episode or an episode, a segment we do every

week. It's bloke of the week. And that's when we look at bloke's advice

and we pick out a member and who's doing cool stuff or

done some, I guess, stuff to uphold the ethos of

I can kick this one off. So... Just the

other day, actually, we had one of our members reached

out. He was having a hard time. He's gone through the ringer, sort of a

couple of different issues. We won't go into details because what happens in

our inner sanctum of men stays in our inner sanctum. But

he reached out saying that he wasn't doing too well. Within

an hour, our bloke of the week this week, rocked up to

his house with a whole bunch of KFC. They sat down like they found out they were

local. So he was around at his place within the hour, making

sure he was all good, doing a welfare check with a feed and just

checking on him. So our bloke of the week goes to Alex. You

know who you are, brother. We'll reach out. He's a long time BA

member. And just the fact that he

saw someone in a time of need and was like, hey, where are you? And he said he

dropped everything and went to help another bloke. Bloke of

That's actually so lovely. And that's what I, I actually already knew

that's what Bloke's Advice was created for, but like just

to see that or to hear that that's actually happening is

like really cool. Cause obviously I'm not in Bloke's Advice and like none

But like I have yeah the first time I've kind of heard like an example of

that and that's actually like a testament to you guys for

starting that and creating that environment where it's such a positive space

There's definitely negative perceptions of it which

obviously it's much like we spoke before there's

negative perceptions of you, but that's not who you are. Right. So, it's

sort of just our little way of going, hey, this is what actually happens

Yeah, a lot of camaraderie, that's what it's built on. And it does happen all the time.

Just a few months ago, some bloke gave away a car to a young fellow

that needed to get to work. Like crazy shit happens. I love that.

Interesting, you raised the question you wanted to ask about perceptions.

Perceptions, yes. Okay, so... The

perception of us recently, we've had this discussion, we

had this discussion before. So you know both

So we wanted to get a woman's take on

us two as blokes, but then what you know about blokes

advice and the Better Bloke Project, because you've seen us out and

So I didn't know who you guys were until

I followed you on Instagram and I just saw that you

had like the Better Bloke project in your bio. The

first time I met you, I felt so goddamn comfortable, even though you're like seven

foot tall. You know, you'd get like a little bit intimidated, but you're actually a

big friendly giant. And then I see you and you're

just like this normal dad, just chilling, like

open arms. I was a bit scared because I think I first

met you both at Summoners. I was like, I don't

know how these boys are going to take me. Because at the time I was like, oh,

like they manage this big page like they're probably, you

know, in like doing a lot more than what I do. and

you just opened me with open arms and I think you're both really amazing

people because we now have known each other for a few months and I mean I

was talking to you when all schoolies happened and you were just the

best person to talk to like being honest besides

my assistant who was in person with me but like you gave me a lot of

support you called me I think what for an hour and a half being like

okay, what are we going to do like to move

past this? And are you coping? What can we

do? You're just an amazing dad, to be honest. I

saw you with your kid and showing him the ropes and you're

telling me how you like teach him how to do stuff with

That just goes to show guys like, Until we actually met,

had a discussion, it's so easy to have these preconceived notions

about one another. And like we said, we think you're a legend behind

I think also at the end of the day as well, a lot of people

when they see others doing well, they are a little

bit jealous at times. And so people will

see the success that you guys have had building this. even

though that wasn't the point to be, you know, the faces, like,

to have this successful, you just started it, to have a community where

it was positive. And people will go, oh, well, why

didn't I think of that? Or, you know, why is my

page not as big as that? And that's not what it

was all about to begin with. So just take that into consideration

that, you know, people will just be a little bit jealous at times. The

women also probably that are coming at you would

just be jealous that they can't get into the group. They

want to see what's happening. I know we all do. I've tried to get

Yeah, because I wanted to see what's happening. Someone told me that I

It's the inner sanctum. And that's sort of what makes it like, it's like that sort of

that safe space for men. And that's how they can have those conversations with old mate

reaching out, saying like, hey, I'm not doing too well. If

a lot of men, if they feel that they don't have

that safe space, because like we've said it so many times, like us

guys, we are dumb when it comes to communicating our emotions.

Like we, we don't want to feel vulnerable in front of women at all. It's

just this inbuilt protector

Some blokes, the blokes that we talk to, the blokes that this

whole thing is built to help, are definitely like that. And

that's where people are getting a little bit funny in trying

to figure out who we're trying to talk to, who are we trying to help. On

that one, we could talk about this for ages, but we're going to have to round it out.

So if you're trying to find out more information about the project, betterblokeproject.org,

you can find the upcoming events we have. There's a bunch of barbecue and chills, a

few other things. There's links to all the other podcasts we do as well as

all the social media channels. Social

Social media. We've got a few social media accounts, Instagram, Facebook,

LinkedIn, Um, you

We'll chuck all the links to Kay's stuff below as well, her Instagram

channel anyway. You can find whatever else you want to find. Instagram is

We will. And, uh, I personally want to say a big thank you for

you coming on and sort of just like, I'm glad

you were our first woman guest because like,

Well, I try to be, but you know, the world sees differently sometimes. So

I'm really happy that you invited me in and it

It has been. I think you said when we met in person, I'm

But look at us now. I said, wait until the

Oh, well it is what it is. Round us out Rob. On that note. As

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