Welcome to Consulting for Humans, a podcast all about life in consulting.
Speaker AYou're with Mike and Ian, and in each episode, we'll be shining a light on a new topic that gets to the heart of what makes consultants happy and successful.
Speaker BThat's right.
Speaker BOn the Consulting for Humans podcast, it's our mission to add just a little more humanity to the lives of consultants, and we'd love to bring some of the skills and perspectives of consulting to human lives, too.
Speaker ASo if you're a consultant who's trying to be more of a human or a human who's trying to be more of a consultant, then we think you're just our kind of person.
Speaker BAbsolutely right.
Speaker BAnd Mike, in today's episode, we're going back to one of the themes that's emerged lately.
Speaker BWe loved talking about the one minute manager.
Speaker BWe had a great time in episode 19 talking about the one minute scope.
Speaker BSo today we're going to be giving recommendations, consulting recommendations, that One Minute treatment.
Speaker AAnd after that, we're going to talk about a new format and schedule for Consulting for humans and how you can get more involved with the show.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker BSo listen all the way to the end for more on what direction we're taking.
Speaker BWe Consulting for Humans.
Speaker BAh, Mike, let's get into this.
Speaker BI love this One Minute thing.
Speaker BI think it could run and run, but I'm remembering as well that when we started out doing the One Minute Scope thing, it was because there was a weakness, because there's something about consultants and the way that we think about scope that meant that we needed to pay attention.
Speaker BSo let's get into talking about recommendations.
Speaker BDo you think recommendations could really be a place where consultants get all kind of out of control and messy?
Speaker AWell, absolutely.
Speaker AThat could be.
Speaker AExactly so, Ian, first of all, they're difficult because many consultants really don't have a clue.
Speaker BAmen.
Speaker AYou know, by definition, we have lived part of our lives in a bunker decorated with PowerPoint slides and Zoom calls and Billboard hour charts and two by two segmentation matrices, you know, only.
Speaker AOnly to be overcome occasional by a three by three.
Speaker ANot many of us have ever made the decision to do something radically different or risky or even more so, to build a coalition of colleagues and business partners to kind of march down the road with us in whatever this radical, risky, or different kind of thing is.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BAnd basically, Mike, consultants are teenagers.
Speaker BAnd making recommendations and acting on recommendations is for grownups probably a little bit harsh, but I think that that's our first obstacle.
Speaker BWe are a little bit immature when it comes to actually Making plans and executing them.
Speaker BWe know it, and I think we know it even more deeply than our clients know it.
Speaker AWell, I remember clients getting ready to listen to a final report of something that they paid pretty big ticket prices for.
Speaker AGoing one of them looked at the other and said, get ready.
Speaker AThis is where the rubber meets the clouds.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BSo maybe we learn a little bit from our clients cynical take on where our thinking comes from and where our recommendations come from.
Speaker BSo let's think about this for a second.
Speaker BWhat are our choices here?
Speaker BOne of my personal favorites, when I'm not really sure, is just to hand over the analysis.
Speaker BHand it over without recommendations.
Speaker BThis works.
Speaker BTo be honest, some of the time we make a very compelling analysis of what's happening in the world.
Speaker BWhere are the problems, where are the opportunities?
Speaker BAnd we kind of leave the clients to figure it out.
Speaker BBut they are ultimately going to ask every client's favorite question, which is, so what?
Speaker BAnd this so what is a.
Speaker BIs a fair question.
Speaker BI think, Mike.
Speaker BIt's a.
Speaker BIt's a reasonable test of whether the work that we've done is relevant.
Speaker BIf the work that we've done can lead to recommendations, then something's going to happen in the client's business and they'll get a return on the money that they've spent.
Speaker BI don't think we can really altogether duck that test.
Speaker BSo step number one here is I do think we need help and I think we owe it to clients to get help in expressing our recommendations clearly.
Speaker BI remember one of my very earliest consulting projects for a client in the biotech industry.
Speaker BAnd I had put together this long winded, very overcomplex analysis of all the different ways that they could set up and locate and organize a development laboratory.
Speaker BAnd I had all these great PowerPoint slides and two by twos, and it was all super complex.
Speaker BAnd she was asking these sharper and sharper questions as the meeting went on about so basically asking so what?
Speaker BAnd at one point she leaned right over and speaking to me like I was deaf and an imbecile.
Speaker BShe went, what do you think I should do?
Speaker BShe was so frustrated.
Speaker BI was helped out of that meeting by the partner who saved my ass.
Speaker BBut it was a good reminder.
Speaker BWe can't just leave our complex thinking on the table there and let the clients figure out what to do about it.
Speaker AAnd it is so tempting.
Speaker AI mean, you know, you wanted to spread it all out and say, hey, do you see a pony in there somewhere?
Speaker AAnything in here you like?
Speaker ALook at all this stuff.
Speaker AWe've Got all these other things that we have a tendency to fall back on.
Speaker AYou know, hand waving, consulting advice peppered with cliches and jargon that we talked about a few episodes ago.
Speaker AYou know, something about leveraging synergies and prioritizing low hanging fruit.
Speaker AI mean, there are all these little formulas we have and sometimes we walk into the project with the answer already in hand.
Speaker ANow we just have to make sure we fit it to the client so they understand why this is the answer for them.
Speaker AI mean, I remember many days when we, if you will, had a horse in the race, right.
Speaker AAnd you know, when it came for recommendation time, that's what we'd all been waiting for.
Speaker AWe go straight for the big win.
Speaker AYou know, recommending a big investment in whatever high dollar tech or implementation work that we or our FIR firm was going to make a big margin out of.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker ANot paying too much attention as to whether it stacks up as a good choice for the client.
Speaker ABut part of this was the old adage of if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
Speaker AOr convincing the client that they truly are a nail.
Speaker BYeah, it's fascinating.
Speaker BYou and I have both worked for firms with big old hammers, gold plated, diamond encrusted, 24 carat, gazillion dollar digital hammers.
Speaker BAnd we're looking for anything that looks like a nail.
Speaker BAnd it's a really big challenge.
Speaker BSome clients are welcoming that because they know that that was what they were in for all along.
Speaker BIn effect their minds were made up part way earlier on.
Speaker BBut I think when it comes out of advice that we're trying to give as straight consulting advice, then ducking the recommendation doesn't cut it.
Speaker BGiving the obvious self serving recommendation, even though we might feel great about it doesn't cut it either.
Speaker BRight?
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AAnd I remember back in my own career too, this is when IBM was moving into consulting and services, there was a big emphasis on the waterfall.
Speaker AAnd the waterfall was a way of expressing that, hey, if we could get in higher up in the organization and be part of strategic decisions, be part of big operational decisions way early on before we might typically get called in to fulfill some RFP requests with hardware, software services, that sort of thing, you know, we would be in a much better position so that even though consultant might not generate the big revenues that all the rest of the business generated, it would put us in a position.
Speaker AAnd that waterfall was the increasing amounts of money that we could by saying aha, you know, here's, here's if you will A succession of hammers that we have for you and why this is all good.
Speaker ANow, interestingly, this is a hard thing to resist.
Speaker AWe're acting like it's all intentional.
Speaker ACompanies want to make money and companies feel like what they have is good stuff and so they want to get it out there.
Speaker ANow I remember as we formed strategy and change the E business consulting practice at IBM, we were always under the kind of compulsion to say where you can, you really should be bringing IBM in.
Speaker AIBM should be the answer.
Speaker AThe answer should always have something in IBM.
Speaker AWell, we decided we were going to be technology agnostic.
Speaker AAnd yeah, we thought if we're going to have any kind of credibility in this, we've got to be technology agnostic.
Speaker AOther firms realized that they could develop great partnerships with IBM and so we actually were in competition sometimes with other consultants who had great partnerships with IBM.
Speaker AAnd some of those later PwC were acquired because of these great partnerships here.
Speaker ASo, so technology agnostic in part of a big firm, pluses and minuses.
Speaker ABut I think as consultants we gotta hold true to real good recommendations for this client in this situation at this time.
Speaker BGood stuff.
Speaker BAnd it's a trap, right?
Speaker BIt's a trap at the level of the whole firm to think we're gonna sink all of our effort into having one particular offering.
Speaker BIt's a trap at the level of the individual team and the individual consultant as well just to be lazy and say, well, we recommend that you buy more stuff from us.
Speaker BSo we can't just leave the recommendations to the client.
Speaker BWe can't just recommend whatever's in our firm's interests.
Speaker BSo we're going to have to keep working on this.
Speaker BI think we're convincing ourselves here, Mike, that there's room for a one minute recommendation little template for us to use here.
Speaker BI do think though that I'm sure lots of you are sitting yelling at your, your phone or your earbuds right now going, no, we don't do it like that.
Speaker BYeah, of course the smart move is of course to take whatever you've diagnosed about the client situation and say, okay, let's talk to people in our firm who've seen change through, people in the client's organization who've seen change through, put them in front of the big problems or the big opportunities facing the client.
Speaker BThis is more or less the right choice here.
Speaker BBut all of the fun that we've had so far, teasing ourselves about how sometimes selfish and sometimes anxious consultants are, that points to some underlying insecurities.
Speaker BSo it's no Wonder that even with good thinking and good advice, we still sometimes find it hard to formulate a recommendation that's logical and actionable.
Speaker BWe find it hard to express it with confidence and clarity and without too, too, too many PowerPoint slides.
Speaker ARight, right.
Speaker ASo what do we need?
Speaker AWe need something simple, short and direct.
Speaker AYou know, something that a good consultant or a consulting project manager can use as a starting point and build on.
Speaker ASounds like a one minute recommendation might be just what we need.
Speaker BExcellent, Mike.
Speaker BSo here we go.
Speaker BWe have for you listeners Ian and Mike's seven box model for a one minute recommendation.
Speaker BMike, what's going to be in box number one?
Speaker AWell, box number one is a clear problem statement.
Speaker ASo we don't want to just jump immediately to the recommendation.
Speaker ALet's begin by succinctly restating the specific problem we're addressing so that everybody remembers the context.
Speaker ACould be a problem, could be an opportunity, could be both.
Speaker BExcellent.
Speaker BWhich immediately raises the question, so what?
Speaker BSo box two, we've got to get straight in with our recommendation.
Speaker BIn natural English, succinctly stated.
Speaker BHere's the action that we're recommending that you take.
Speaker BWe're not going to hedge it, we're not going to bury it.
Speaker BWe're going to make sure it's there, front and center, clear and direct.
Speaker AYeah, burying the lead.
Speaker AHow many times have we done that?
Speaker BBurying the lead.
Speaker BSo that's box two, Mike.
Speaker BThe next question I guess is going to be why?
Speaker BAnd that leads us to box three.
Speaker AWell, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker ASupporting evidence.
Speaker AYou know, briefly, we're going to mention the one to two key data points, findings or conclusions that support the recommendation.
Speaker AThis builds credibility.
Speaker AIt reminds everybody about how urgent the case for action is.
Speaker BThat's great.
Speaker BAnd now we've probably got our audience to something like a stage of motivation.
Speaker BSo we need to say, well, what's going to happen?
Speaker BNot the whole detailed plan, but some idea of the timeline, a realistic time frame for implementation, what kind of things need to get done right away?
Speaker BWhat does a phased approach look like?
Speaker BWhat do we have to plan for in the short term?
Speaker BThat sounds like it could be it, Mike, but we're only up to four out of seven, so I think we have to go a little bit deeper.
Speaker ARight, right.
Speaker AWe know seven is the magic number, plus or minus two.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AWell, what we want is the thing that we, I think, so often tend to forget.
Speaker AAnd that actually is the spice that makes everything a better meal, if you will.
Speaker AExpected benefits and outcomes.
Speaker AI mean, you know, whether we're selling, whether we're performing.
Speaker AWhether we're recommending expected benefits and outcomes should always be in our mind.
Speaker AClearly articulate what success looks like if they follow our recommendation and what comes from that.
Speaker BExcellent.
Speaker BSo in box five then we've got ourselves sold on the potential future good things.
Speaker BWe also need in box six to balance that out with a reminder of what the potential downsides could be.
Speaker BSo box six is what's our primary risk?
Speaker BNot every single risk, but what's the primary risk.
Speaker BAnd say a few words about what mitigation looks like.
Speaker BThis shows that we're balanced.
Speaker BIt shows that there is some skeptical or risk aware thinking behind this whole thing as well.
Speaker AYeah, I love that.
Speaker AIan.
Speaker AAnd then another piece of just consulting hygiene, project management hygiene.
Speaker AJust good ways to communicate is end with next steps, end with the immediate next actions required to move forward for the client and for us.
Speaker AIf there are some.
Speaker AIf we're going to be part of that, let's talk about that.
Speaker ABut primarily directing the client where to go so that they don't grab us by the lapels and keep saying yes, but what do you think right here.
Speaker BIt is such a good discipline.
Speaker BI'm looking forward to using this one on my next project.
Speaker BMike We've got then our seven boxes for a one minute recommendation.
Speaker BWe've got this logical flow.
Speaker BThis is going to allow us to be confident but also allow us to express something that's still adaptable in the light of what clients say.
Speaker BSo why don't you take a swing at it?
Speaker BI did it last time.
Speaker BI'm going to set the clock going and let's see if you can talk us through an example of a one minute recommendation in exactly one minute.
Speaker BAre you ready?
Speaker AReady.
Speaker BGo.
Speaker AOur analysis shows your customer acquisition costs have increased 47% in the past year while retention has fallen to just 68%.
Speaker AWe recommend implementing a customer success team focused specifically on onboarding and first 90 day engagement.
Speaker AOur data reveals that 62% of customer churn occurs in the first three months and exit interviews point to confusion about product implementation.
Speaker AThe proposed team would develop standardized onboarding protocols and conduct regular check ins during this critical period.
Speaker AThis can be implemented in two phases.
Speaker AFirst, reallocating three existing team members to form the core team within 30 days.
Speaker AThen hiring two specialists with SaaS onboarding expertise in Q3.
Speaker AWe project this will reduce churn by 15% within six months, resulting in approximately 78 million in preserved annual recurring revenue.
Speaker AThe primary risk is bandwidth constraints on your existing team during the transition, which we can mitigate through temporary workflow adjustments we've outlined in the full report as next steps, we suggest meeting with operations and customer support leaders this week to select initial team members and begin developing the standardized onboarding playbook.
Speaker ABoom.
Speaker BBoom.
Speaker BExcellent job.
Speaker BSo the thing that I really like about all these one minute frameworks is that if you can say it in one minute, then everything has a chance of sticking in everybody's memory.
Speaker BLike, by the time you get to talking about risks, we can still all remember what is it that we're going to do and why and what problem does it solve.
Speaker BI like that it forces us to use all of our short term memory to go, okay, now I have a picture of this whole recommendation and I can do it without a big complicated set of PowerPoint materials or a big complicated story or whatever.
Speaker BGreat job.
Speaker AWell, edit it.
Speaker AI think it underscores a couple things, Ian.
Speaker AIt underscores that the real hard work of consulting is, you know, we're reminded of Voltaire's, you know, I wrote you a very long letter because I didn't have the time to write a short one, that when we're really adding value to a client, we don't take them through the whole thing.
Speaker AYeah, we can do this.
Speaker AAnd this is a test to ourselves to say, have we synthesized this and made it understandable and relevant and valuable to the client?
Speaker AI love that too.
Speaker AAbout one minute.
Speaker AAnd it's a, it's a tough test to measure up to sometimes.
Speaker AAnd by gosh, it means we got it.
Speaker BWell, it's, it's funny, Mike.
Speaker BThe thing that comes up next in our show today is updating the listeners on our new timeline for broadcasting Consulting for humans episodes.
Speaker BAnd I thought, well, let's apply the same thing.
Speaker BAnd I've written it down here in one minute recommendations, format.
Speaker BAnd you're exactly right.
Speaker BForcing myself to write about it this directly and this simply forced me to choose simple language, forcing me to remember to connect it to benefits and connected to next steps, made me come up with some things that actually fleshed it out and made it a better plan.
Speaker BSo, Mike, let's update everybody on how we're going to be updating the show format and the episode timeline.
Speaker BFirst of all, our analysis shows, our analysis shows that the vast majority of you, our listeners, are enjoying the regular episodes, but not so much accessing the luminaries tier, even though the luminaries tier takes about 50% of our effort per week to put the show out there.
Speaker BSo from now on, we're going to roll up the luminaries content into the main show episode and have just one series of episodes that are going to be free to all the listeners to the Consulting for Humans podcast.
Speaker AOur analysis further shows that if there were any a single episode stream, it would encourage more listeners to engage with the show.
Speaker ASo beginning this week, we're no longer recording Luminaries episodes.
Speaker AIf you're a Luminaries member, we'll be in touch soon about your subscription.
Speaker AAnd as a thank you, we're keeping the existing Luminaries episodes exclusive for a few more weeks so you can get as much as you can from your support of the show.
Speaker AAnd we're going to thank you again later.
Speaker ABut thank you right now here.
Speaker BAbsolutely.
Speaker BThat means that what's going to happen is we're going to publish one high quality free episode on a new timeline on a fortnightly, that's to say every two weeks timeline, so that we have time to work on the great ideas that we've got for new episodes and bring you podcast episodes that we think you're going to love.
Speaker BWe also hope that this is going to generate even more chances for a direct connection between you, our listeners, and the ideas and the topics that Mike and I are bringing to you on Consulting for Humans.
Speaker BNow, there's a risk too, right, Mike?
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AThe risk is that going once per fortnight for those people who are used to an episode dropping every week or every more often might actually reduce listener retention.
Speaker AWait, what happened to that podcast?
Speaker AAre they not on anymore?
Speaker ASo we're going to make sure that there's something going on in our social media channels, LinkedIn, Instagram, YouTube between shows for you to engage with and respond to.
Speaker BAbsolutely.
Speaker BAnd as a next step, we are about to start work on our next episode which is going to be all about delegation in consulting, to be followed by a flip side episode where we're going to talk about managing upwards delegating to seniors.
Speaker BAnd we're really looking forward to bringing that to you and we hope that you're looking forward to it as well.
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Speaker BExcellent work, Mike.
Speaker BWe hope that you enjoyed our one minute recommendation.
Speaker BPerhaps slightly more than one minute, but still nice and tight.
Speaker BI really appreciated the framework there.
Speaker BAnd once again, like you said, Mike, we want to really express a big thank you to our luminaries members who've supported us for many months now, just being part of that higher tier of the show and engaging directly with me.
Speaker BAnd Mike, we really appreciate your support.
Speaker BWe hope you've enjoyed your time as members of our premier tier, and we hope that we're not going to let you down in the content that we produce in the coming weeks and months.
Speaker ASo it's a new chapter for the podcast and we hope the same for our listeners.
Speaker AI mean, what's not to like about free consulting content?
Speaker AStraight to your earbuds.
Speaker AAs a boomer consultant, myself or anybody familiar with the original three Days of Peace and Love, what we used to call and still call Woodstock might say, here comes.
Speaker AIt's a free concert from now on.
Speaker BThere you go.
Speaker BIt's a free concert now, Mike.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker BWhat could possibly go wrong?
Speaker AThat's right.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AAs those of us who were coming for those three days.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AWhat could possibly go wrong?
Speaker AWell, we've got some time to get to our next episode and get it in the best possible shape, so please reach out and share some of your feedback with us while we're working on that.
Speaker BAbsolutely.
Speaker BWe'd love to hear from you.
Speaker BAnd we're also looking forward to your company once again on the next episode of the Consulting for Humans podcast.