It's like, it's like.

It's like saying like.

Like, astrology is evil, you know, which some people have thought this before too, that, like, astrology is also a demonic type of thing.

Oh, looking at the stars.

You're a lunatic.

Like that.

That word came from that.

So.

So you've been.

So this journey is about five years in the making.

Yeah.

So.

And you started with Oracle cards.

Oracle cards, yes.

At what point did you say, okay, I want to try this with someone else?

As far as doing the reading for someone else, at what point?

How did you know you was ready?

Oh, a couple of weeks after getting my cards.

Oh, really?

Because I needed.

At that time, I needed somebody to practice on.

And I was like, I was always accurate with myself, but then I thought, well, maybe I make myself.

You know, you could tell yourself.

You know what I mean?

You could tell yourself anything.

So I said, I need me somebody else to practice on to make sure that I'm doing this right or that the messages resonate or whatever.

And that's just how I hopped out there.

Who was.

Who was the first guinea pig?

My very first.

I'll put it like this.

I. I did a few people from work, but it was a health day that were having health issues, so it was pretty accurate on that.

So when I got my next deck.

Wait, wait, let me ask you something.

That was the first time you did a reading for somebody.

What type of reaction did you get?

It was more of the.

Just because it was in face to face at work type thing on our lunch break, in the car, things like that.

It was more of just like, just open eyes and staring.

Like, really?

How did you know that?

So, okay, how does the stars know?

And I'm like, I don't know.

Okay, now, now, now.

Did you trip out at that moment?

Did I trip out?

Yeah.

I mean, because.

Because, I mean, in the beginning, when we first.

I mean, I know Claudia has done this when we first started doing reading for people, even though we may feel like we know.

Yeah, the confidence levels.

Yeah, the confidence level is not there.

And so I guess I'm asking, did you have a. Oh moment?

A little, yeah.

What was.

What was.

Okay, what was your oh moment like?

Oh, this.

There's something in.

Wasn't then.

It wasn't right.

It was.

Somebody at work was going through a lot.

She had.

She'd withdrawn everybody, and.

But she still spoke to me, and I just said.

I was like, you know, I got these new cars.

I'm learning terrible oracle decks, and I want to give you a reading.

She was like, why?

And I was like, cuz, something just telling me you need one.

And she was like, all right.

She was like, is it going to be safe?

And I said, yeah, it'll be safe.

So I pulled her like four cars.

And as I was pulled, you know, as I was reading her, she started crying.

That was my ocean.

I love it when they start crying.

Why?

Because of the emotions.

Well, because of the emotions, but also because of the messages and the answers that she was getting from the cars that she didn't ask me.

You know how sometimes, you know, readers be like this and that she didn't ask me.

But every question that she silently had in her mind was answered by the cars and also by me filling in the blanks.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah.

It's like.

It's like feeling.

It's like a feeling of, like, being understood.

At least that's how it feels for me.

It's like, wow, like you just received all this clarity.

You've had all these, these.

These questions have been drowning your thoughts.

And now like you just received an answer.

Yes.

And immediately after that, like the next.

I want to say that was a weekend.

That was like a Friday.

That Monday when she came back to work, she was herself.

She was her old self.

She was smiling, speaking, she was happy.

And everybody was like, oh my God, you must be feeling better.

She was like, yeah, I am.

But she came to me directly and was like, thank you for whoever told you to read me.

I needed those answers, I needed those messages.

It just made everything better.

And I was like, so that was the oh, shit moment.