1 00:00:12,102 --> 00:00:16,692 Dan Assisi: Welcome everyone to another edition of Spiritist Conversations. 2 00:00:16,872 --> 00:00:20,322 A show where we sit down with friends to talk about things through 3 00:00:20,322 --> 00:00:25,452 a spiritist lens, an informal unscripted and unplugged way. 4 00:00:25,962 --> 00:00:30,872 Today, we are going to look back in time and think about the lessons 5 00:00:30,902 --> 00:00:35,012 from the pandemic that we have all learned over these past two years. 6 00:00:35,552 --> 00:00:39,332 And to do that, I have the people who really make the show fun. 7 00:00:39,602 --> 00:00:42,842 I have Flavio and Susanna here with us today, so I want to bring 8 00:00:42,842 --> 00:00:44,642 them so that we can all say hello. 9 00:00:44,672 --> 00:00:46,022 Hi guys, how are you guys doing? 10 00:00:47,342 --> 00:00:48,222 Suzana Simões: Hi Dan. 11 00:00:48,242 --> 00:00:49,142 Hi Flavio. 12 00:00:49,202 --> 00:00:50,102 Good to see you guys. 13 00:00:51,257 --> 00:00:53,837 Flavio Zanetti: Yeah, doing fantastic, Dan and Suzana, It's always a 14 00:00:53,837 --> 00:00:55,257 pleasure to see you guys here live. 15 00:00:57,067 --> 00:00:58,067 Dan Assisi: Well, can you guys believe it? 16 00:00:58,067 --> 00:01:02,477 It's December already of 2021 in a couple of more weeks, we are 17 00:01:02,477 --> 00:01:03,737 going to be in a whole new year. 18 00:01:04,307 --> 00:01:05,417 Flavio Zanetti: 2022. 19 00:01:05,927 --> 00:01:06,707 Yes. 20 00:01:07,207 --> 00:01:08,267 Suzana Simões: Ubelievable. 21 00:01:09,257 --> 00:01:10,607 Flavio Zanetti: Time flies when you're having fun. 22 00:01:13,562 --> 00:01:15,452 Suzana Simões: Oh, when you were in a world of trial and 23 00:01:15,452 --> 00:01:17,882 expiation then really flies. 24 00:01:18,322 --> 00:01:22,022 Dan Assisi: I'm just going to go with it flies when you're getting old. 25 00:01:22,292 --> 00:01:27,133 But anyways, getting old is a mandatory growing up is optional. 26 00:01:27,133 --> 00:01:31,993 So I'm going to maintain my youthfulness, at least cling onto it 27 00:01:31,993 --> 00:01:33,673 and believe that we're going to be ok. 28 00:01:34,163 --> 00:01:36,003 , but it's great to be with you guys here. 29 00:01:36,003 --> 00:01:41,162 And I couldn't think of a better team to reflect a little bit about what these 30 00:01:41,162 --> 00:01:44,756 past two years basically have looked like. 31 00:01:44,756 --> 00:01:53,151 Ever since March of, I think 2020, we have all been emerged in this new world order. 32 00:01:53,301 --> 00:01:58,681 This new pandemic that has brought us anxiety has brought us fear and of course 33 00:01:58,681 --> 00:02:02,384 has brought us a lot of hurt because we have lost people, we have worried 34 00:02:02,384 --> 00:02:07,363 about people, and it has really shifted the way we think about things, so I 35 00:02:07,363 --> 00:02:10,093 think that it will take a little bit of time for us to really figure things 36 00:02:10,093 --> 00:02:12,073 out, still, about what is it all mean? 37 00:02:12,373 --> 00:02:16,279 And from a bigger historical perspective, but I wonder, if there's 38 00:02:16,279 --> 00:02:20,027 an opportunity for us to talk a little bit about what are the things that 39 00:02:20,027 --> 00:02:21,797 we have learned from the pandemic. 40 00:02:21,797 --> 00:02:26,327 What are the lessons that we can take away from more of a spiritual perspective? 41 00:02:26,357 --> 00:02:27,057 What are you guys think? 42 00:02:27,407 --> 00:02:29,792 Suzana Simões: Yeah, perhaps that we are still learning, as you 43 00:02:29,792 --> 00:02:32,334 said, it's an ongoing process. 44 00:02:32,694 --> 00:02:38,334 So I know Flavio was ready to jump in, but since I have the word, I will share 45 00:02:38,364 --> 00:02:42,969 my initial thoughts, which I'm going to actually start from where we are 46 00:02:42,969 --> 00:02:45,639 right now, right within the pandemic. 47 00:02:46,099 --> 00:02:51,210 I was just having a conversation with my wife this week as we were having 48 00:02:51,210 --> 00:02:58,308 breakfast and reading the paper about the new variant and we were discussing 49 00:02:58,308 --> 00:03:02,697 an article that talk about the discrepancies with the vaccination and 50 00:03:02,697 --> 00:03:05,357 what happens when we leave someone behind. 51 00:03:06,072 --> 00:03:13,069 And I don't think this is the goal of our conversation to go into, what went on that 52 00:03:13,069 --> 00:03:16,233 an entire country was like left behind. 53 00:03:16,353 --> 00:03:24,106 But the fact is that I was talking to her and said, if this is not a lesson 54 00:03:24,106 --> 00:03:30,886 to be learned, that can be translated to every single aspect of our daily lives 55 00:03:30,886 --> 00:03:39,421 where if we want to be well healthy and happy, we cannot do it alone. 56 00:03:40,381 --> 00:03:43,801 So we have to include everyone. 57 00:03:44,191 --> 00:03:52,471 So our neighbor needs to be seen us an extension of us the same way 58 00:03:52,471 --> 00:03:58,681 we see that in our family, like our brother and sister, if he or she is 59 00:03:58,711 --> 00:04:03,806 in need , or our parents, we go out of our way because it is our family. 60 00:04:04,276 --> 00:04:11,446 And we don't call that charity, we call that our natural duty to attend to the 61 00:04:11,446 --> 00:04:13,966 needs of those who we consider ours. 62 00:04:14,626 --> 00:04:18,516 So what the pandemic is showing us, one of the things is that every one is 63 00:04:18,516 --> 00:04:26,796 ours and we must expand this concept of family to every single person, because we 64 00:04:26,796 --> 00:04:28,716 are all brothers and sisters under God. 65 00:04:29,076 --> 00:04:31,626 And it's not about being charitable. 66 00:04:31,896 --> 00:04:40,028 It's about penny to our human duty and recognizing that every single person 67 00:04:40,028 --> 00:04:45,338 in this planet is deserving of the same level of attention, the same level of 68 00:04:45,338 --> 00:04:52,623 care, and this is the only way, together, not ever leaving anyone behind that. 69 00:04:52,623 --> 00:04:58,933 We'll get to a place where one day God willing, and God is willing, we'll call 70 00:04:58,933 --> 00:05:01,323 this planet a planet of regeneration. 71 00:05:03,753 --> 00:05:06,363 Flavio Zanetti: What I'm hearing Susanna from you is, I think 72 00:05:06,363 --> 00:05:07,383 we've touched this a little bit. 73 00:05:07,443 --> 00:05:11,359 When we talked about the Black Lives Matter episode of our conversations 74 00:05:11,869 --> 00:05:15,919 where we mentioned that there's a movement ran out in the world where 75 00:05:15,919 --> 00:05:21,549 we see folks testing to the fact that until the world is good for everybody, 76 00:05:21,969 --> 00:05:23,769 it's not a good world for anybody. 77 00:05:23,836 --> 00:05:27,839 And we call it an action for us to think about others, the 78 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:29,189 way we think about ourselves. 79 00:05:29,399 --> 00:05:34,964 And if you look back, this is the utmost important message that Christ left for 80 00:05:34,964 --> 00:05:39,188 us to really think about our siblings our brothers and sisters, humanity in general, 81 00:05:39,548 --> 00:05:40,928 as we need an extension on our family. 82 00:05:41,683 --> 00:05:48,143 I think that's a very interesting point because it's several parts of history 83 00:05:48,203 --> 00:05:53,365 or, or we, how we're living right now, that's pointing us to that direction. 84 00:05:53,436 --> 00:05:56,506 That's how I saw and I want to compliment your comments. 85 00:05:57,466 --> 00:05:58,276 Dan Assisi: I love that. 86 00:05:58,502 --> 00:06:02,517 And I think that is a key piece to all of this, so I, I love that awareness 87 00:06:02,517 --> 00:06:04,197 and I love that way that you put it too. 88 00:06:04,197 --> 00:06:07,137 So it's not that it's a nice thing to do anymore. 89 00:06:07,137 --> 00:06:11,416 I think we're being show by nature, we have to care for each other. 90 00:06:11,446 --> 00:06:13,066 And I think that's one of the key lessons. 91 00:06:13,816 --> 00:06:18,046 I think we're learning that nobody wins until everybody wins. 92 00:06:18,196 --> 00:06:20,526 There is no individual victory over COVID. 93 00:06:20,596 --> 00:06:25,216 I like the fact that you might have survived COVID does not mean that you 94 00:06:25,216 --> 00:06:28,257 really are well or healthy, and happy. 95 00:06:28,597 --> 00:06:32,097 Cause our happiness, we're learning, has a lot to do with, of course who 96 00:06:32,097 --> 00:06:35,957 we are, but also making sure that the folks around us are okay too. 97 00:06:36,267 --> 00:06:39,462 So I think it's a really beautiful thing that we are going to continue 98 00:06:39,462 --> 00:06:40,992 to struggle with for awhile, right? 99 00:06:41,052 --> 00:06:45,326 Is this awareness that we've got to put aside our tribal thinking 100 00:06:45,326 --> 00:06:49,616 and saying only my people, only my family, only my friends, only 101 00:06:49,616 --> 00:06:51,481 my partner, that I care about. 102 00:06:51,631 --> 00:06:52,681 I want to worry about them. 103 00:06:52,681 --> 00:06:56,671 We have to worry about everything even because from a scientific perspective, 104 00:06:56,671 --> 00:07:01,091 and we're seeing this now, if we don't take care of everybody, in this pandemic,. 105 00:07:01,111 --> 00:07:04,846 If we don't vaccinate people, if we don't get people healthy, chances are 106 00:07:04,846 --> 00:07:07,636 this virus is going to continue to mutate and it's going to continue to 107 00:07:07,636 --> 00:07:08,956 haunt us for a little bit of time. 108 00:07:09,006 --> 00:07:13,206 So it's a collective effort for us to take care of all this stuff. 109 00:07:13,206 --> 00:07:16,439 So I think it's a beautiful lesson that I think we're struggling with 110 00:07:16,439 --> 00:07:19,172 for a little bit, we need to care for each other a little bit more 111 00:07:19,172 --> 00:07:20,462 than we have done in the past. 112 00:07:20,462 --> 00:07:23,032 And I think that's something that it bears repeating. 113 00:07:23,717 --> 00:07:26,727 Flavio Zanetti: I think it's even a hundred percent of what you said, Dan.. 114 00:07:26,927 --> 00:07:29,657 But I think it's even beyond that, it's beyond my family. 115 00:07:29,657 --> 00:07:30,827 It's beyond my neighbor. 116 00:07:30,947 --> 00:07:32,177 It's beyond my city. 117 00:07:32,357 --> 00:07:33,527 It's beyond my country. 118 00:07:33,527 --> 00:07:37,337 It's the whole world, because we're all connected one way or the other. 119 00:07:37,877 --> 00:07:41,147 And if you don't care for those that are thousands and thousands of miles 120 00:07:41,147 --> 00:07:45,417 away, even though we don't have any relationship whatsoever, that 121 00:07:45,417 --> 00:07:46,877 may have an impact on us as well. 122 00:07:46,967 --> 00:07:50,753 That's the big lesson, that we all are getting from the pandemic. 123 00:07:51,623 --> 00:07:54,893 Suzana Simões: And what a challenge that is, because what that calls for 124 00:07:55,253 --> 00:08:03,113 is they need to see every single one as deserving of the same level of care and 125 00:08:03,113 --> 00:08:12,263 love, is to be able to see and to truly feel that every single life is worth 126 00:08:12,353 --> 00:08:17,483 saving and there is no difference and there is nothing that truly separates us. 127 00:08:17,783 --> 00:08:19,133 This is very different. 128 00:08:19,463 --> 00:08:20,423 This is very difficult. 129 00:08:20,423 --> 00:08:27,247 I'm sorry, when you're in this material world, separated by geographic 130 00:08:27,247 --> 00:08:29,677 limits, separated by cultures. 131 00:08:29,737 --> 00:08:36,447 And so to be able to transcend the material and to see each individual 132 00:08:36,447 --> 00:08:42,932 for who he or she truly is, the challenge that we have to exercise 133 00:08:43,292 --> 00:08:45,452 . Because I can, I will speak for myself. 134 00:08:45,992 --> 00:08:51,992 It's challenging for me, especially when you have someone who is so different 135 00:08:52,472 --> 00:09:01,082 culturally with ideas, with ideology to actually experience that person as truly 136 00:09:01,082 --> 00:09:04,772 equal and truly deserving and truly holy. 137 00:09:05,462 --> 00:09:07,172 So that's what we are called to do. 138 00:09:07,172 --> 00:09:14,958 And we can talk about this at a very general and far away from our reality 139 00:09:15,228 --> 00:09:21,879 or what we need to do is each one of us, as we realize those lessons is to see 140 00:09:22,299 --> 00:09:30,354 how challenging is for me, to leave this idea that I'm here talking to you guys. 141 00:09:30,564 --> 00:09:35,784 So I'm saying this, but I am fully aware that I am part of the problem. 142 00:09:36,234 --> 00:09:40,254 And so if we keep putting the problem outside of ourselves and 143 00:09:40,254 --> 00:09:44,874 waiting for the world to fix itself, we are not at the right path. 144 00:09:44,904 --> 00:09:49,065 It is ...How can I Suzana today, do my homework? 145 00:09:50,085 --> 00:09:51,525 Do what I need to do? 146 00:09:52,135 --> 00:09:57,004 Be at least minimally committed to do the work cause that's the first step, 147 00:09:57,234 --> 00:10:02,214 it is the awareness that you are part of the problem and their commitment, to be 148 00:10:02,214 --> 00:10:06,714 engaged in the work that is, that needs to be done starting from each one of us. 149 00:10:07,374 --> 00:10:09,744 Flavio Zanetti: But don't you think that we're a part of the problem 150 00:10:09,744 --> 00:10:11,004 but we're also part of the solution? 151 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:15,009 Suzana Simões: Yeah, by all means, but I'm talking about the solution, but this 152 00:10:15,009 --> 00:10:20,576 solution start with the awareness that you are part of the problem, that is already 153 00:10:20,596 --> 00:10:24,276 the solution process being on its way. 154 00:10:24,376 --> 00:10:24,826 Yes. 155 00:10:27,076 --> 00:10:27,316 Dan Assisi: Yeah. 156 00:10:27,318 --> 00:10:31,512 And there's something else I think to this too, that it's very related, but 157 00:10:31,512 --> 00:10:37,706 I think it's nice to pull apart too: the pandemic has also been a glaring 158 00:10:38,876 --> 00:10:42,926 reminder that we're not self-sufficient. 159 00:10:43,676 --> 00:10:48,326 That each one of us, that we need each other, we were talking about this a 160 00:10:48,326 --> 00:10:52,766 little bit about helping each other, but it's also about meeting each other 161 00:10:52,766 --> 00:10:55,613 and understanding that our society has been told us that, the really 162 00:10:55,613 --> 00:10:57,083 great people, they don't need anybody. 163 00:10:57,083 --> 00:11:00,383 They're self-sufficient, they can live on their own, but that's not the case. 164 00:11:01,478 --> 00:11:06,709 Our lives are deeply connected and what you do over there, affects me. 165 00:11:06,709 --> 00:11:08,629 And what I do over here affects you. 166 00:11:08,839 --> 00:11:12,379 And generally we only think about what other people do and how it affects us. 167 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,199 But I think what I'm hearing from Susanna and I wholeheartedly agree, 168 00:11:15,199 --> 00:11:19,737 is Hey, it's time to flip that script and say, what is it that I am doing? 169 00:11:19,797 --> 00:11:22,018 And how is it that is affecting other people? 170 00:11:22,258 --> 00:11:24,835 Because we cannot control what other people are going to do, we cannot 171 00:11:24,909 --> 00:11:27,909 control how it's going to affect us, but what we can control is 172 00:11:27,909 --> 00:11:29,139 what is it that we're going to do? 173 00:11:29,139 --> 00:11:32,949 What kind of role are we going to play in this new world that 174 00:11:33,069 --> 00:11:37,192 hopefully, I'm hoping, we're going to emerge to from the pandemic. 175 00:11:37,192 --> 00:11:39,982 This is an opportunity for us and maybe this is another lesson too. 176 00:11:40,462 --> 00:11:44,272 We have an opportunity to recreate what society and what the world looks. 177 00:11:45,337 --> 00:11:46,357 We can come out of this. 178 00:11:46,357 --> 00:11:49,757 We don't have to go back to the way things were before, the way we 179 00:11:49,817 --> 00:11:55,147 were behaving before our values, we can give ourselves a space and 180 00:11:55,147 --> 00:11:56,467 the chance to say, you know what? 181 00:11:57,007 --> 00:11:59,257 I am not going to do those things anymore. 182 00:11:59,257 --> 00:12:00,577 I think we're seeing a lot of that too. 183 00:12:00,577 --> 00:12:02,891 Like people are saying, Hey, I don't want that job anymore. 184 00:12:02,921 --> 00:12:05,981 I don't want, I want to work from home or I want to have a different lifestyle, 185 00:12:06,251 --> 00:12:09,228 or I want to spend more time with my family, because I've realized all of a 186 00:12:09,228 --> 00:12:13,222 sudden, that I couldn't spend this year and a half with my family, I couldn't 187 00:12:13,222 --> 00:12:14,902 see them, I might've lost people. 188 00:12:15,172 --> 00:12:15,922 What was I doing? 189 00:12:15,922 --> 00:12:17,782 I need to pay attention more to these things. 190 00:12:18,022 --> 00:12:21,720 So in a way it's a great, like a reawakening piece, when we realized 191 00:12:21,740 --> 00:12:24,830 that we are more interconnected than I think we give ourselves credit. 192 00:12:25,970 --> 00:12:26,210 Flavio Zanetti: Yeah. 193 00:12:26,290 --> 00:12:30,270 One thing that the defendant taught us and I read a piece by the 194 00:12:30,810 --> 00:12:33,347 Israeli historian Yuval, Harari. 195 00:12:33,987 --> 00:12:38,668 He mentioned, life he's actually moving to an online situation and we've all 196 00:12:38,668 --> 00:12:40,918 had to learn how to do things online. 197 00:12:41,248 --> 00:12:44,918 We're seeing our doctors through a computer screen out where we're studying, 198 00:12:45,208 --> 00:12:49,630 we're taking classes through our computer screen or are practicing religious 199 00:12:49,630 --> 00:12:52,300 engagements through a computer screen. 200 00:12:52,323 --> 00:12:53,103 We're all here. 201 00:12:53,163 --> 00:12:57,542 We've done this before many times, but I think that's one of the biggest challenges 202 00:12:57,542 --> 00:13:01,937 for a lot of folks, they were not really involved with any type of technology, 203 00:13:02,327 --> 00:13:07,537 they had to learn super quickly, how'd you do most things, in an online fashion. 204 00:13:08,137 --> 00:13:11,572 But then my question for us to talk about it is what are the 205 00:13:11,572 --> 00:13:13,702 repercussions of that situation? 206 00:13:15,852 --> 00:13:16,232 Dan Assisi: Yeah. 207 00:13:17,812 --> 00:13:22,252 Suzana Simões: And then I was just going to go back before moving forward 208 00:13:22,252 --> 00:13:27,622 with a Flavio, I didn't want to let it pass what Dan said in terms 209 00:13:27,622 --> 00:13:30,392 of the recreation of the world. 210 00:13:30,502 --> 00:13:34,440 Because I think that's one of the biggest lessons that we have learned, 211 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:40,166 or at least one of the awareness that came out of it, which is has 212 00:13:40,166 --> 00:13:46,367 really forced us to reevaluate our priorities and to think about what is 213 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:48,873 really important for each one of us. 214 00:13:48,873 --> 00:13:53,878 So I think the pandemic has forced us to to really, take a look at our families 215 00:13:53,888 --> 00:13:58,534 that, like you said, the distance and the importance of relationships 216 00:13:58,541 --> 00:14:01,141 and social engagement face-to-face. 217 00:14:01,531 --> 00:14:07,795 I recall like, being at some point very exhausted from the human 218 00:14:07,795 --> 00:14:14,325 conflicts at work at the center and getting to a point that it was like, 219 00:14:14,715 --> 00:14:16,335 okay, put me back in those calls. 220 00:14:16,365 --> 00:14:21,461 I want to see people again, I want life, it's not fun to be so isolated. 221 00:14:21,461 --> 00:14:22,615 And so it's just a. 222 00:14:23,425 --> 00:14:26,083 I just think, I don't want to let that girl, because I think it's 223 00:14:26,083 --> 00:14:28,213 a huge thing that has happened. 224 00:14:28,633 --> 00:14:34,334 And going back to Flavio, yeah, I think there another lesson is 225 00:14:34,814 --> 00:14:36,284 it has really pushed us forward. 226 00:14:36,335 --> 00:14:39,940 In terms of it's an Alliance between productivity, but also 227 00:14:39,996 --> 00:14:40,973 Quality of life. 228 00:14:40,978 --> 00:14:41,769 Exactly. 229 00:14:41,769 --> 00:14:43,989 So he, I am right. 230 00:14:43,992 --> 00:14:48,252 So right now I am, in my working day, I took a little break and my 231 00:14:48,252 --> 00:14:50,412 lunchtime to view with you guys. 232 00:14:50,412 --> 00:14:54,231 So you're getting this done and I don't have to go back to work. 233 00:14:54,231 --> 00:14:56,091 I have my computer here, as soon as they finish. 234 00:14:56,766 --> 00:14:58,656 Switch back to working. 235 00:14:59,016 --> 00:15:02,646 And so we are getting so much more done and at the same time I'm 236 00:15:02,646 --> 00:15:05,387 full and my father-in-law is here. 237 00:15:05,387 --> 00:15:13,073 So I can do so much that you can do right now that, before we weren't able 238 00:15:13,073 --> 00:15:14,753 really, or even aware that we could. 239 00:15:16,943 --> 00:15:17,213 Dan Assisi: Yeah. 240 00:15:17,243 --> 00:15:21,110 And I love that and I think we can connect what Flavio said too, because 241 00:15:21,129 --> 00:15:25,522 no doubt, technology has been a very important part of this pandemic in my 242 00:15:25,522 --> 00:15:29,632 view, because like we always worried, we are always looking at what am I good at? 243 00:15:29,632 --> 00:15:30,394 What's going wrong. 244 00:15:30,394 --> 00:15:32,827 And what's the fear piece of the pandemic and so forth. 245 00:15:33,277 --> 00:15:37,177 But if we think for a second had this pandemic happened 10 years. 246 00:15:38,452 --> 00:15:42,352 It would have been much worse much because we would have been way more 247 00:15:42,352 --> 00:15:45,502 disconnected from people because we wouldn't have the opportunity to do 248 00:15:45,502 --> 00:15:46,762 the things that we're doing right now. 249 00:15:46,822 --> 00:15:48,232 Online meeting technology. 250 00:15:48,232 --> 00:15:50,122 Wasn't as great as it is today. 251 00:15:50,122 --> 00:15:51,142 It isn't as easy. 252 00:15:51,442 --> 00:15:56,723 So imagine how much more depressive or how much more despair we would 253 00:15:56,723 --> 00:16:00,143 have had in our lives, because we wouldn't be able to do these things. 254 00:16:00,143 --> 00:16:03,413 Like how many times have we during a pandemic and it picked up a phone and 255 00:16:03,413 --> 00:16:06,273 talk to people, but also them video calls. 256 00:16:06,273 --> 00:16:07,769 I've had happy hours. 257 00:16:07,769 --> 00:16:12,639 I have water cooler sessions with folks on video, just so that we can see each other. 258 00:16:12,656 --> 00:16:14,623 Yes, it was silly in the beginning, right? 259 00:16:14,656 --> 00:16:16,726 Everybody's in their own house and everybody put the time. 260 00:16:16,790 --> 00:16:20,256 Get her some drink or a snack or have dinner together. 261 00:16:20,436 --> 00:16:24,634 It seems silly, but we're learning that the human connection can happen in 262 00:16:24,634 --> 00:16:26,704 different ways and that's, pretty great. 263 00:16:26,704 --> 00:16:29,554 So in a roundabout way, what I want to say, I think Flavio's 264 00:16:29,554 --> 00:16:31,834 perspective is really great, but we also have to be thankful. 265 00:16:31,887 --> 00:16:33,509 This pandemic thing happened now. 266 00:16:33,539 --> 00:16:39,175 I think even when hard things come about, there are positive lessons that we can 267 00:16:39,175 --> 00:16:43,159 take away from that, and one of those is I'm glad that we have technology 268 00:16:43,159 --> 00:16:45,499 now to help us figure this stuff out. 269 00:16:45,573 --> 00:16:49,123 And people are, but I'm going to stop with the technology that we can go back to the 270 00:16:49,123 --> 00:16:52,303 quality of life, but Flavio you're going to chime in on the technology piece again? 271 00:16:52,993 --> 00:16:56,233 Flavio Zanetti: I think it's transformed how are we doing most things, even 272 00:16:56,233 --> 00:17:00,364 how we, for example experience our faith or when we get together to 273 00:17:00,364 --> 00:17:04,823 go to the spiritist center, when we study, I think the key point to 274 00:17:04,823 --> 00:17:06,735 me here is we have to be adaptable. 275 00:17:06,751 --> 00:17:10,681 Cause the world's always changing, it's always moving and the more adaptable 276 00:17:10,681 --> 00:17:14,484 we are, the easier it will be for us to overcome some of the hurdles 277 00:17:14,535 --> 00:17:19,689 . I look, for example, for opportunities to engage my colleagues, to learn, from the 278 00:17:19,689 --> 00:17:21,622 different things, through the technology. 279 00:17:21,892 --> 00:17:26,648 But I want to focus on the on the experience that we're gaining, but 280 00:17:26,648 --> 00:17:30,577 at the same time we may be missing, if we do everything online, I 281 00:17:30,577 --> 00:17:33,787 think what that pandemic taught us is that yes, it can be done. 282 00:17:34,117 --> 00:17:38,397 It's not one for one replacement, but you can still do most of what 283 00:17:38,397 --> 00:17:40,027 you were doing before face to face. 284 00:17:40,087 --> 00:17:41,186 You could still do it online. 285 00:17:41,216 --> 00:17:46,736 Suzana Simões: So are you asking, like with these gains what is that 286 00:17:46,736 --> 00:17:48,612 we are losing at the same time? 287 00:17:48,612 --> 00:17:51,991 Flavio Zanetti: So for example, before let's talk about spiritism, we have 288 00:17:52,291 --> 00:17:56,541 our meetings where we go and learn about the idea of spiritism we study 289 00:17:56,541 --> 00:17:58,941 with people, we gathered together. 290 00:17:58,941 --> 00:18:00,861 We have food together. 291 00:18:01,491 --> 00:18:05,361 Of course, through the pandemic, we all have to adapt to a different 292 00:18:05,361 --> 00:18:07,847 methodology because we could only get together with each other. 293 00:18:07,967 --> 00:18:12,538 Thankfully to Dan's point before, the pandemic is happening now, where 294 00:18:12,538 --> 00:18:15,953 technology is at a point our comfort level with technologies, a point 295 00:18:15,953 --> 00:18:17,333 that we can do these things now. 296 00:18:18,053 --> 00:18:23,063 But we're still right now replacing one for one that human interaction. 297 00:18:23,813 --> 00:18:28,313 I think the one misconception from the pandemic that I got is, oh, 298 00:18:28,313 --> 00:18:31,853 we can do everything remotely, everything virtually any reality, 299 00:18:31,853 --> 00:18:34,073 you can do most things, but nothing. 300 00:18:34,073 --> 00:18:35,273 We can replace six, right? 301 00:18:35,302 --> 00:18:39,454 The human interaction to get together, the spending time with others. 302 00:18:39,784 --> 00:18:43,934 And as I say, the best things in life are walking in a park with your loved 303 00:18:43,934 --> 00:18:48,305 one, maybe holding your kids' hands to do something with them, this human 304 00:18:48,305 --> 00:18:52,385 interaction, I think the pandemic taught us to give a lot more value to those, 305 00:18:52,535 --> 00:18:57,185 despite the fact that we were replacing some of that with technologic now. 306 00:18:57,875 --> 00:18:58,235 Dan Assisi: Yeah. 307 00:18:58,355 --> 00:19:02,091 And I, but I might have a slightly unpopular opinion on this one. 308 00:19:02,121 --> 00:19:04,221 I'm going to run down for you guys. 309 00:19:04,801 --> 00:19:05,067 Yes. 310 00:19:05,067 --> 00:19:05,787 To all of that. 311 00:19:06,267 --> 00:19:10,227 But I think that another thing that I started to notice with myself 312 00:19:10,227 --> 00:19:13,887 too, is to realize that it's not just about human interaction. 313 00:19:14,397 --> 00:19:19,827 It is about quality human interaction, because I realized that during this 314 00:19:19,827 --> 00:19:24,897 pandemic that I had actually quite a bit of human interaction before the pandemic 315 00:19:25,377 --> 00:19:27,187 that I might not necessarily need. 316 00:19:27,268 --> 00:19:31,615 It was, I don't want to say superficial, but it was more of a level of things 317 00:19:31,615 --> 00:19:35,695 that weren't really necessarily bringing tons of value added to me. 318 00:19:36,145 --> 00:19:39,873 So I think the pandemic has no doubt has left me wanting right. 319 00:19:39,873 --> 00:19:41,103 For more human interaction. 320 00:19:41,213 --> 00:19:41,393 That's. 321 00:19:42,393 --> 00:19:45,213 But I've realized that I want more quality human interaction. 322 00:19:45,213 --> 00:19:47,793 It's not about hanging out with 30 people anymore. 323 00:19:47,860 --> 00:19:50,307 It's about spending time with two or three people where I can 324 00:19:50,307 --> 00:19:53,967 go deeper and make more of that connection that kind of lifts myself. 325 00:19:53,991 --> 00:19:57,821 So I think that this this break, even then we had our spirits as institutions, 326 00:19:57,821 --> 00:20:00,671 for instance, where we could do online while we couldn't do in person piece 327 00:20:01,421 --> 00:20:03,431 ,is a good reminder for us to ask us. 328 00:20:03,468 --> 00:20:04,848 What is it that we really want? 329 00:20:05,298 --> 00:20:08,118 And this was one of the things that I really like to go back to it, to JC right. 330 00:20:08,148 --> 00:20:11,358 To Jesus when people approached him and it seems such an educator, he 331 00:20:11,358 --> 00:20:13,998 often said, what would you have me do? 332 00:20:13,998 --> 00:20:15,298 Or what do you want of me? 333 00:20:15,298 --> 00:20:18,401 And I think that in a way, the pandemic is giving us that clarity and 334 00:20:18,401 --> 00:20:19,691 asking you, what do you really want? 335 00:20:20,726 --> 00:20:24,596 You thought you wanted to have that group of 40 people where you go talk a 336 00:20:24,596 --> 00:20:28,616 little bit with people and you don't add anything to your life, really meaningful. 337 00:20:28,622 --> 00:20:29,147 And that's okay. 338 00:20:29,147 --> 00:20:32,657 You can have that sometimes, but is that what you want for your entire life? 339 00:20:32,687 --> 00:20:35,777 Do you want that level of connection or do you seek 340 00:20:35,777 --> 00:20:37,367 something deeper with fewer people? 341 00:20:37,367 --> 00:20:38,297 Sometimes too? 342 00:20:38,567 --> 00:20:40,427 I'm not saying there's a right or wrong answer. 343 00:20:40,427 --> 00:20:44,717 I'm saying it has led me to think, when do I want to watch 344 00:20:45,347 --> 00:20:47,657 and how am I acting in that way? 345 00:20:47,738 --> 00:20:50,757 And so for instance, these conversations that are a good example, I love talking 346 00:20:50,757 --> 00:20:54,855 with your guys on the staff and I, I wonder if there's a shift to where we're 347 00:20:54,855 --> 00:21:00,755 doing in spiritism in general, less talks and more conversations for us 348 00:21:00,755 --> 00:21:01,975 to do our study groups and meetings.. 349 00:21:02,625 --> 00:21:04,963 Suzana Simões: I want to add something to what you said. 350 00:21:04,963 --> 00:21:11,209 We know that yes, the pandemic did help us a lot in terms of realizing 351 00:21:11,209 --> 00:21:15,878 the potential that we have to do so much online, but the world was very 352 00:21:15,878 --> 00:21:22,928 much aligned and social media has been with us for a good while now. 353 00:21:22,958 --> 00:21:27,668 And yet we live in a world where the levels of depression are 354 00:21:27,668 --> 00:21:33,828 extremely high in the level of loneliness has never be so high. 355 00:21:34,448 --> 00:21:41,680 So it comes to, along with what it's not really about connecting. 356 00:21:41,710 --> 00:21:46,030 Connection online I think it has its place, it has its function, 357 00:21:46,420 --> 00:21:52,300 but we will never ever substitute the quality the relationships that 358 00:21:52,420 --> 00:21:58,015 are face to face and particularly the need to have relationships 359 00:21:58,045 --> 00:21:59,995 that are quality relationships. 360 00:21:59,995 --> 00:22:02,327 And then in science backs us up on that too. 361 00:22:02,327 --> 00:22:07,684 The research shows that, at the bottom line, what makes people happy it's 362 00:22:07,684 --> 00:22:11,056 nothing that the material world give us. 363 00:22:11,086 --> 00:22:14,466 It is connections, but it's not the number of connections. 364 00:22:14,746 --> 00:22:17,496 It is precisely the quality of connections. 365 00:22:17,513 --> 00:22:22,170 Exactly, going back to Flavio, that's the loss that maybe it was important 366 00:22:22,170 --> 00:22:28,260 to lose, to realize, how we need to invest in humans, in relationship. 367 00:22:28,342 --> 00:22:34,014 We can we can be happy without having meaningful relationships and the 368 00:22:34,014 --> 00:22:35,909 whole social media, the whole thing. 369 00:22:35,989 --> 00:22:42,446 It kind of grants more shallow related because we hide behind the camera. 370 00:22:42,476 --> 00:22:48,347 It's a lot of Showtime a lot of times in these interactions. 371 00:22:48,367 --> 00:22:48,847 Dan Assisi: Totally 372 00:22:49,347 --> 00:22:52,482 Suzana Simões: Showtime everybody putting their best the 373 00:22:52,482 --> 00:22:55,182 Flavio Zanetti: The best answers to all your problems, right? 374 00:22:55,242 --> 00:22:55,672 Yeah. 375 00:22:55,892 --> 00:22:57,012 Suzana Simões: Yeah. 376 00:22:57,102 --> 00:22:58,152 As opposed to, okay. 377 00:22:58,152 --> 00:23:00,298 Let's have a real conversation here. 378 00:23:00,302 --> 00:23:01,682 So who are you? 379 00:23:02,482 --> 00:23:02,822 Dan Assisi: Yeah. 380 00:23:03,032 --> 00:23:03,272 Yeah. 381 00:23:03,542 --> 00:23:06,723 And I love that because I think that goes to quality of life piece. 382 00:23:07,473 --> 00:23:11,013 I think that we are really, re-centering about, what's important to us, whether 383 00:23:11,013 --> 00:23:14,463 is the job, whether is the relationships, whether it's the connections. 384 00:23:14,478 --> 00:23:16,943 But I think I think that's there, but I want to also pick up on 385 00:23:16,943 --> 00:23:19,433 something that you said, Sue, because I think it's really great and I 386 00:23:19,433 --> 00:23:22,913 hope this is one of the legacies in a positive way of the pandemic. 387 00:23:23,423 --> 00:23:28,613 I think that the pandemic has exposed all the mental health issues that we all have. 388 00:23:29,708 --> 00:23:32,738 And I think it has made us more open to the idea that, oh, you know what, 389 00:23:32,768 --> 00:23:34,988 we need to work on that as a society. 390 00:23:35,348 --> 00:23:37,748 It's not just the problems with some people over others. 391 00:23:38,198 --> 00:23:41,228 And I think that one of the things that I hope that we learned from 392 00:23:41,228 --> 00:23:44,398 the pandemic is to take care of ourselves from a mental perspective. 393 00:23:44,945 --> 00:23:49,085 That is not just a, something that happens to some people, it's quite widespread. 394 00:23:49,115 --> 00:23:50,825 We have tons of challenges with it. 395 00:23:50,825 --> 00:23:54,232 Everybody has their own demons, so to speak, their own 396 00:23:54,232 --> 00:23:55,462 challenges to figure it out. 397 00:23:55,762 --> 00:23:59,272 And I'm finding that people are being a little bit more open to 398 00:23:59,272 --> 00:24:02,749 talk about it and to make time for that which is a positive thing. 399 00:24:02,787 --> 00:24:04,407 And hopefully we carry that with us. 400 00:24:06,227 --> 00:24:07,777 Flavio Zanetti: How can spiritism help? 401 00:24:08,227 --> 00:24:11,547 I think it's a pragmatic question we all must ask. 402 00:24:11,567 --> 00:24:15,397 Dan Assisi: Oh yeah, it's a great question and I think that's another lesson, may 403 00:24:15,397 --> 00:24:20,447 I jump it back in there too, which is at the core of the pandemic, at least 404 00:24:20,447 --> 00:24:22,577 the early stages of the pandemic, right? 405 00:24:22,577 --> 00:24:27,887 I think the unspoken elephant in the room, or should I say the virtual 406 00:24:27,887 --> 00:24:33,238 virus in the room was, we were afraid of, we didn't openly talk about this, 407 00:24:33,568 --> 00:24:37,918 but a lot of our actions were directly related with the fear of death. 408 00:24:38,458 --> 00:24:41,678 If it was not our fear of death for us, it was for our loved ones. 409 00:24:41,678 --> 00:24:42,008 Right? 410 00:24:42,548 --> 00:24:45,158 Guys, we hogged toilet paper. 411 00:24:45,488 --> 00:24:49,871 Remember, everybody's buying toilet paper and the Corona virus is 412 00:24:49,871 --> 00:24:54,667 not a gastrointestinal problem, but you know what I'm saying? 413 00:24:54,739 --> 00:24:57,859 Look at the level, look at what fear does to us. 414 00:24:57,889 --> 00:25:01,525 People rushed to buy toilet paper, where did that come from? 415 00:25:01,675 --> 00:25:05,198 That was just a fear that we had that toilet paper was going to end. 416 00:25:05,198 --> 00:25:07,028 And what if it did, we were not going to die? 417 00:25:07,086 --> 00:25:12,666 But anyways, my point is I think that the core of all this stuff was fear of death. 418 00:25:13,446 --> 00:25:19,056 And I think that remains largely unaddressed as a society as well, but 419 00:25:19,356 --> 00:25:23,436 where I think Spiritism can help us and has helped me personally throughout 420 00:25:23,436 --> 00:25:30,631 my life is to slowly erode or chip away at this fear of death, because 421 00:25:30,631 --> 00:25:38,371 I know now for a fact that I will die and when I do, I will not stop being, 422 00:25:38,821 --> 00:25:40,771 I will not cease to be who I am. 423 00:25:41,461 --> 00:25:45,961 And more importantly, in a way too those that I love should tomorrow 424 00:25:45,961 --> 00:25:50,761 they perish, they die of COVID 19, it will be heartbreaking. 425 00:25:50,761 --> 00:25:54,201 I will be sad, but I know it would not be the end of that. 426 00:25:54,956 --> 00:25:59,876 And I know that ,it's not that I believe, I know because Spiritism 427 00:25:59,876 --> 00:26:04,466 has showed us how mediumship works, how this interaction between worlds 428 00:26:04,496 --> 00:26:09,650 works, in our mediumistic meetings every week, basically in in a majority 429 00:26:09,650 --> 00:26:13,340 of spirits that centers throughout the planet, we see evidence of that. 430 00:26:13,340 --> 00:26:18,500 So if I am part of that meeting, if I am part of that, mediumistic exchange 431 00:26:18,530 --> 00:26:24,865 between worlds and I see the stories of people, I cannot be as anxious and 432 00:26:24,865 --> 00:26:28,545 worried about death as I was before, because now I have proof that our 433 00:26:28,545 --> 00:26:31,965 essence who we are, us, spirits survived. 434 00:26:32,036 --> 00:26:35,936 So I think that right on my way, spiritism has helped me take some of 435 00:26:35,936 --> 00:26:42,746 the fear of death away, which has made me be more present and less anxious 436 00:26:42,776 --> 00:26:44,596 about the whole pandemic thing. 437 00:26:44,899 --> 00:26:46,072 I'm still worried about it. 438 00:26:46,102 --> 00:26:47,382 Still taking my precautions. 439 00:26:47,382 --> 00:26:48,832 It doesn't make us careless. 440 00:26:49,597 --> 00:26:54,067 I wear masks, I got my vaccines in, I try to be helpful, I cleaned my hands, 441 00:26:54,427 --> 00:27:00,089 but I realized that should something happen, I lose a loved one or I pass over. 442 00:27:00,569 --> 00:27:04,119 I know it's not the end of things because I know it continues. 443 00:27:04,139 --> 00:27:08,609 So for me, it has been by far the biggest help the Spiritism has given me. 444 00:27:09,329 --> 00:27:14,189 Through the pandemic, dare I say, through my entire life, it has changed the way I 445 00:27:14,189 --> 00:27:16,139 behave and I act in many different ways. 446 00:27:16,179 --> 00:27:17,789 I'll do, I know there's a long way to go. 447 00:27:17,851 --> 00:27:21,054 And sometimes to an extent that I don't even realize, like sometimes 448 00:27:21,054 --> 00:27:24,618 I have to think about it and say, wow, 20 years ago, 30 years ago, 449 00:27:24,648 --> 00:27:27,708 I would have behaved completely different during this piece here. 450 00:27:28,008 --> 00:27:29,038 But now I'm a little bit mighty. 451 00:27:29,058 --> 00:27:32,104 So I think that's where I would say that's how Spiritism has helped 452 00:27:32,104 --> 00:27:33,544 me in the pandemic specifically. 453 00:27:35,734 --> 00:27:36,175 Suzana Simões: Yeah. 454 00:27:36,175 --> 00:27:43,013 I think that like Dan was saying it just put the whole mental or imbalances 455 00:27:43,111 --> 00:27:46,457 that we all have in the forefront. 456 00:27:46,507 --> 00:27:53,754 So all went up significantly with fear, with loss grieving depression, but also 457 00:27:54,084 --> 00:27:59,312 an incredible sense of powerlessness, being out of control, losing control of 458 00:27:59,312 --> 00:28:02,102 our lives and what we can or cannot do. 459 00:28:02,582 --> 00:28:07,488 So it's really hard to cope with all of these feelings. 460 00:28:07,548 --> 00:28:13,278 And I think we all experienced them to a greater or lesser extent, 461 00:28:13,308 --> 00:28:16,950 but a little bit of all of them was in the mix for all of us. 462 00:28:17,340 --> 00:28:21,652 And I think that was one thing that I had in my mind, as we opened the show, 463 00:28:21,682 --> 00:28:30,329 which was, what has that done to humanity as far as assist to reconnect with what 464 00:28:30,329 --> 00:28:37,781 is essential like spiritually speaking or, facilitating these way back towards 465 00:28:37,781 --> 00:28:43,522 the spirituality, Spiritism and God, whatever it might be for different people. 466 00:28:43,522 --> 00:28:50,722 So specifically I think that I was really called to put into practice. 467 00:28:51,547 --> 00:28:59,980 The faith and the understanding really like flat, think, and try to not make it 468 00:28:59,980 --> 00:29:06,235 such a cognitive experience, but really try to feel that there is a higher purpose 469 00:29:06,235 --> 00:29:12,488 for everything that the reason God in place, you know a universal intelligence, 470 00:29:12,758 --> 00:29:19,873 that there is a higher plan and really so meeting myself to this, which along 471 00:29:19,873 --> 00:29:27,283 with Dan, taking all the precautions, because submission to God's real, that 472 00:29:27,283 --> 00:29:30,253 is not me neglect or carelessness. 473 00:29:30,336 --> 00:29:36,336 We are to do our own part, but to understand that there is something much 474 00:29:36,366 --> 00:29:42,276 bigger, something that we don't see, something that we cannot understand being 475 00:29:42,276 --> 00:29:50,506 on the valley, we don't have the view of the top, but we will call to trust in, 476 00:29:50,556 --> 00:29:56,905 to surrendering, to do our parts on this big equation that is going on right now. 477 00:29:56,905 --> 00:30:03,754 So for me what spirits isn't helps is, I love the gospel chapter 2 item 3. 478 00:30:03,824 --> 00:30:08,504 What spiritism does is invite us always to climb the mountain and try 479 00:30:08,504 --> 00:30:12,854 to appreciate life from the top and not from the bottom, because then we have 480 00:30:12,854 --> 00:30:14,834 a much broader view of the situation. 481 00:30:14,864 --> 00:30:21,867 But even if we do so to the highest that we can go does not give us because we 482 00:30:22,027 --> 00:30:24,577 don't have the wings to fly that high yet. 483 00:30:24,907 --> 00:30:28,747 So our vision is always a partial vision of the reality. 484 00:30:28,747 --> 00:30:35,227 So it gets to a point that there's nothing else you can see, you have to trust, 485 00:30:35,587 --> 00:30:43,057 you have to surrender and you have to really take into consideration that. 486 00:30:43,792 --> 00:30:48,862 The world is not disorganized, it's actually being organized. 487 00:30:48,944 --> 00:30:52,544 We are not lost in abandoning chaos. 488 00:30:52,574 --> 00:30:56,234 On the contrary, these are being rearranged. 489 00:30:56,264 --> 00:31:01,124 There is a higher plan and a higher force that is actually working 490 00:31:01,274 --> 00:31:05,054 to make this whole situation a better situation for all of us. 491 00:31:06,384 --> 00:31:06,714 Flavio Zanetti: Yeah. 492 00:31:06,814 --> 00:31:07,644 A hundred percent. 493 00:31:07,674 --> 00:31:08,484 I agree. 494 00:31:08,664 --> 00:31:10,254 I think you said some great things. 495 00:31:11,159 --> 00:31:16,019 Before we were given some of the ideas or some of the thoughts, some of the 496 00:31:16,289 --> 00:31:18,569 concepts that there is divine justice. 497 00:31:18,599 --> 00:31:21,959 There is a God looking at looking over all of what we're doing right 498 00:31:21,989 --> 00:31:25,199 now, really guiding every step of the way, because we have free will, you 499 00:31:25,199 --> 00:31:30,359 learn through spiritism, but the world is moving towards a more just place. 500 00:31:30,649 --> 00:31:34,585 But then the pandemic came and the practical or the we learned a 501 00:31:34,585 --> 00:31:38,065 theory before, here's time for us to put that into practice. 502 00:31:38,395 --> 00:31:41,394 And that's how we were challenged by thoughts and our emotions 503 00:31:41,484 --> 00:31:44,844 were challenged, you know what trust everything will be fine. 504 00:31:45,354 --> 00:31:45,804 Trust. 505 00:31:45,834 --> 00:31:49,284 Do your part that everything will go moving through its place. 506 00:31:49,584 --> 00:31:54,054 I think having that mindset allowed us, or at least allowed me again to be for you 507 00:31:54,054 --> 00:31:59,934 guys, but allowed me to navigate through that pandemic, still very optimistic about 508 00:31:59,934 --> 00:32:04,164 the future ahead, still looking at the ladder, then the ethernal yes, this was 509 00:32:04,164 --> 00:32:07,344 gonna be a difficult step for everybody. 510 00:32:07,614 --> 00:32:12,084 But if we do our parts, we'll get out of this much stronger and much 511 00:32:12,084 --> 00:32:14,214 more prepared for the future ahead. 512 00:32:14,514 --> 00:32:19,167 That to me was the the massive lesson that I got from this of course, 513 00:32:19,377 --> 00:32:23,457 fear of death is huge and it's still something that bothers a lot of people. 514 00:32:23,469 --> 00:32:28,403 But the end of the day, having an idea that, yes, everything is under control. 515 00:32:29,213 --> 00:32:30,473 You should not worry about it. 516 00:32:30,473 --> 00:32:34,133 That's again, the message of Jesus has left us way back. 517 00:32:34,204 --> 00:32:38,935 it's the same message, but we just walked away from it, like in the last millennium. 518 00:32:40,655 --> 00:32:40,865 Dan Assisi: Yeah. 519 00:32:40,893 --> 00:32:44,005 We've veered away a little bit from that, but I like both those 520 00:32:44,005 --> 00:32:47,675 perspectives and I like Susanna reminding us of the larger view. 521 00:32:47,675 --> 00:32:51,137 Because I think that's something that spiritism does well for 522 00:32:51,137 --> 00:32:53,957 us too, is to remind us that there is more than one lifetime. 523 00:32:54,407 --> 00:32:57,318 And I think the pandemic has definitely offered us this 524 00:32:57,378 --> 00:32:58,878 moment of pause and reflect. 525 00:32:59,196 --> 00:32:59,406 Right. 526 00:32:59,406 --> 00:33:01,236 It's kinda like the stop think. 527 00:33:01,626 --> 00:33:04,803 And listen, before you cross the train tracks, the stop 528 00:33:04,833 --> 00:33:06,453 listening and look kind of thing. 529 00:33:06,506 --> 00:33:10,346 And so I think that's all great, but it has also led me to believe that maybe 530 00:33:10,346 --> 00:33:14,822 this moment is not just important for this lifetime, but more after that. 531 00:33:14,848 --> 00:33:18,658 So I really liked that moment of reflection that we were talking about. 532 00:33:19,018 --> 00:33:23,788 And I really like that susanna also talked about faith is not about I'm 533 00:33:23,788 --> 00:33:25,198 going to paraphrase her a little bit. 534 00:33:25,198 --> 00:33:29,488 by saying faith is not about learn helplessness, right? 535 00:33:29,488 --> 00:33:31,568 It's not about saying, oh, I'm just going to trust and I'm not 536 00:33:31,568 --> 00:33:32,758 going to do anything quite yet. 537 00:33:33,673 --> 00:33:36,883 The reason why we are in this place is because we haven't done 538 00:33:36,883 --> 00:33:38,473 enough or we need to do more. 539 00:33:38,473 --> 00:33:41,743 So it's not about sitting and just waiting to see what happens is 540 00:33:41,743 --> 00:33:45,013 rolling up our sleeves and doing what we can, which is something that 541 00:33:45,013 --> 00:33:46,363 we talked about before, earlier. 542 00:33:46,399 --> 00:33:49,594 But this space to reflect, I don't know that we would have 543 00:33:49,594 --> 00:33:51,064 had it in our busy lives. 544 00:33:51,064 --> 00:33:52,584 Have we not had the pandemic. 545 00:33:53,284 --> 00:33:58,678 So while I understand that pandemic has caused a lot of challenge pain 546 00:33:58,678 --> 00:34:02,375 and, worry in general, one good thing from the pandemic, if I want 547 00:34:02,375 --> 00:34:06,156 to look at the good side of it, is that it has made us the space. 548 00:34:06,186 --> 00:34:10,416 It has made us okay to question our lives, and see if that's 549 00:34:10,416 --> 00:34:12,451 what we are really wanting to do. 550 00:34:12,564 --> 00:34:15,714 My work is what I want to do the time that I have with my family 551 00:34:15,714 --> 00:34:16,944 is not really what I want to do. 552 00:34:17,214 --> 00:34:21,354 How do I want to lead my life, and I don't know that we would have had that space 553 00:34:21,354 --> 00:34:25,944 to do it right, because we're so worried about what other people are going to think 554 00:34:25,944 --> 00:34:30,444 sometimes of us or what the perfect life should look like or what the perfect job. 555 00:34:30,684 --> 00:34:34,504 We have accepted these values from the outside world without questioning them. 556 00:34:35,104 --> 00:34:38,092 And I think in many different ways the pandemic has said, what does it matter 557 00:34:38,092 --> 00:34:40,072 for me to have a really nice bank account? 558 00:34:40,102 --> 00:34:44,692 If I don't get to spend time with my family, or if I have people in my 559 00:34:44,692 --> 00:34:49,186 family who are sick so I think that the moment of questioning it's a 560 00:34:49,186 --> 00:34:50,956 really hard one in that moment, right? 561 00:34:50,956 --> 00:34:54,663 When you're going through that crisis are really hard, but crisis are 562 00:34:54,663 --> 00:34:58,518 also moments of decision, is when we decide even the word, the word 563 00:34:58,518 --> 00:35:00,258 crisis comes from moments of decision. 564 00:35:00,738 --> 00:35:03,678 We've got to decide, how is it that we are going to act, what is it going to do? 565 00:35:04,038 --> 00:35:07,308 And so from that perspective, I'm, I am grateful. 566 00:35:07,438 --> 00:35:10,028 I want to even use, want to use that word, right? 567 00:35:10,698 --> 00:35:15,558 Because I also want to give myself permission to say, it's okay to be 568 00:35:15,558 --> 00:35:18,978 happy, even in moments of gloom, right? 569 00:35:19,278 --> 00:35:22,848 We all are going through tough moments, but we also have happy 570 00:35:22,848 --> 00:35:24,018 moments in this past two years. 571 00:35:24,018 --> 00:35:26,497 It's important for us to remember that so it's important to first or 572 00:35:26,497 --> 00:35:30,157 give ourselves permission to say yes, things are tough right now, but 573 00:35:30,247 --> 00:35:32,437 right now in this second I'm okay. 574 00:35:33,404 --> 00:35:36,674 Flavio Zanetti: I do see, I can't imagine people out there that might be 575 00:35:36,674 --> 00:35:38,414 listening to us or watching us live. 576 00:35:39,014 --> 00:35:44,066 Maybe thinking I can't be happy if I'm going through a lot of turmoil 577 00:35:44,066 --> 00:35:46,977 or if my going through all the gloom. 578 00:35:47,238 --> 00:35:49,218 How, How do we, what do we tell these people? 579 00:35:49,218 --> 00:35:50,298 What do we say to them? 580 00:35:50,398 --> 00:35:51,281 Dan Assisi: Yeah, no great point. 581 00:35:51,331 --> 00:35:52,471 Thank you for bringing that up. 582 00:35:52,681 --> 00:35:53,371 Great point. 583 00:35:53,581 --> 00:35:55,936 And I'm not saying that we are, we have to be happy, right? 584 00:35:55,936 --> 00:36:01,036 I'm saying we can give ourselves permission and that second to say 585 00:36:01,096 --> 00:36:03,316 in this moment right now, I'm okay. 586 00:36:03,376 --> 00:36:05,986 In this 10 seconds right now I'm ok. 587 00:36:07,326 --> 00:36:11,885 Suzana Simões: And also not feel guilty for feeling happy because it's okay. 588 00:36:12,215 --> 00:36:12,935 It's all right. 589 00:36:12,965 --> 00:36:17,230 A lot of people often will prevent themselves from feeling happy. 590 00:36:17,230 --> 00:36:22,888 They will mess up their own happiness because of these feelings of guilt. 591 00:36:28,283 --> 00:36:31,799 But I wanna I wanna also bring one more thing, cause I know can you just 592 00:36:31,799 --> 00:36:38,631 go back because you ran over that Dan called me, but I go back to it. 593 00:36:38,931 --> 00:36:41,901 So he was talking about the fear of that. 594 00:36:42,321 --> 00:36:46,640 And I think along with that, here we are spiritist. 595 00:36:46,660 --> 00:36:54,730 So the bottom line is we are immortals and yet we are afraid of dying and we 596 00:36:54,730 --> 00:36:57,810 have a lot of feelings related to dying. 597 00:36:57,830 --> 00:37:04,010 So COVID by taking so many material lives, threwing in our face the 598 00:37:04,010 --> 00:37:09,560 vulnerability of this life, which is something that we don't think so often. 599 00:37:10,250 --> 00:37:14,692 We live honestly even as immortal as if we're going to be here 600 00:37:14,692 --> 00:37:19,352 forever, some of us, some of us, you still have a difficult time. 601 00:37:19,352 --> 00:37:24,032 And I think I have mentioned that I dunno if he's in a lecture or the conversation, 602 00:37:24,032 --> 00:37:26,596 but It's a taboo to talk about dying. 603 00:37:26,626 --> 00:37:27,076 People. 604 00:37:27,076 --> 00:37:28,726 Don't even want to talk about it. 605 00:37:28,996 --> 00:37:32,408 If you say let's talk about what you want for the end-of-life. 606 00:37:32,408 --> 00:37:36,131 So we, I think we did have this conversation before people were like 607 00:37:36,268 --> 00:37:37,858 why do you want to talk about that? 608 00:37:38,248 --> 00:37:38,698 Why not? 609 00:37:39,538 --> 00:37:40,288 Why not? 610 00:37:42,688 --> 00:37:44,878 Dan Assisi: If we can't just avoid it, it doesn't happen. 611 00:37:47,858 --> 00:37:49,318 Suzana Simões: It won't ever happen. 612 00:37:49,324 --> 00:37:55,349 And so we so what coffee did he say, Hey, listen, it can happen at any time. 613 00:37:55,379 --> 00:37:56,279 You know what I mean? 614 00:37:56,489 --> 00:38:02,669 And he takes something that's small and invisible to knock it down and to 615 00:38:02,749 --> 00:38:08,487 end what seems to be such a powerful existence, you know, and guess what? 616 00:38:08,697 --> 00:38:09,927 There's no pattern. 617 00:38:10,197 --> 00:38:14,217 You can be a marathon runner, super healthy, you can be young, you 618 00:38:14,217 --> 00:38:16,917 can be old and frail and survive. 619 00:38:17,067 --> 00:38:19,857 So there's no logic for it. 620 00:38:20,217 --> 00:38:21,777 How do you, what do you do now? 621 00:38:21,818 --> 00:38:25,203 Because if there was logic would say, no, we got it. 622 00:38:25,473 --> 00:38:30,333 We now understand exactly how it happens, what is the population that is being 623 00:38:30,393 --> 00:38:34,353 what we're going to treat that then comes a virus that makes no sense at all. 624 00:38:35,088 --> 00:38:37,128 There was no like, I'm good. 625 00:38:37,218 --> 00:38:40,908 You don't know it can be anyone at anytime anywhere. 626 00:38:41,268 --> 00:38:47,321 So I think that was one of the big things is really like a reminder that 627 00:38:47,321 --> 00:38:50,951 this is a brief state for all of us. 628 00:38:52,147 --> 00:38:54,043 Flavio Zanetti: We just have to cherish as we're here. 629 00:38:54,046 --> 00:38:55,027 Every single moment. 630 00:38:55,267 --> 00:38:58,154 I think one thing that we didn't really say or mention, at least I didn't 631 00:38:58,154 --> 00:39:03,419 really hear that, is the fact that it's really important for us to live 632 00:39:03,479 --> 00:39:04,919 the moment that we're living, right? 633 00:39:04,919 --> 00:39:11,069 The whole idea of mindfulness, or really being thankful for what we have and being 634 00:39:11,069 --> 00:39:12,509 happy at the moment they were happy. 635 00:39:12,539 --> 00:39:15,059 Yes, there's a lot of issues out there, but the difficulty is not 636 00:39:15,059 --> 00:39:18,089 there, but right now I'm actually content to you because I'm healthy. 637 00:39:18,209 --> 00:39:19,289 My family's healthy. 638 00:39:19,439 --> 00:39:20,429 I'm still employed. 639 00:39:20,579 --> 00:39:21,655 I have a roof over my head. 640 00:39:21,655 --> 00:39:26,022 I can meet, a nice meal, mean there's small things that are not so small for 641 00:39:26,022 --> 00:39:30,802 a lot of people that made us reflect a lot and living the present moment 642 00:39:31,012 --> 00:39:34,252 was something that I believe was the big calling from that pandemic. 643 00:39:34,642 --> 00:39:37,492 People were leaving for the future, right? 644 00:39:37,569 --> 00:39:42,281 It's not very difficult to see folks working multiple jobs and try to 645 00:39:42,281 --> 00:39:47,531 acumulate a lot of wealth and all of a sudden newness comes and the person 646 00:39:47,531 --> 00:39:49,561 who doesn't really enjoy their wealth. 647 00:39:49,891 --> 00:39:55,268 Happens, more often than not the pandemic gave us a hang on a sec, Do you really 648 00:39:55,268 --> 00:39:59,205 need all that or maybe it's time spend more time with I think that, to me, it 649 00:39:59,205 --> 00:40:01,965 was a big calling that comes back from us. 650 00:40:02,235 --> 00:40:02,535 Again. 651 00:40:02,565 --> 00:40:06,525 I want to bring Jesus again, that we should cherish the treasures 652 00:40:06,765 --> 00:40:11,085 that the moth can eat and the steel that they think you can steal. 653 00:40:11,113 --> 00:40:15,716 So when we look at that most, most important treasures are in 654 00:40:15,716 --> 00:40:18,186 a, what we do with others, our friends, or family, or loved. 655 00:40:19,076 --> 00:40:21,626 And I think that's, to me, it's the biggest call and I believe 656 00:40:22,106 --> 00:40:24,116 we just start wrapping up because the time is running out. 657 00:40:24,116 --> 00:40:27,962 But to me that's a key point that I want to show is we speak about it 658 00:40:27,962 --> 00:40:29,762 before we dropped from today's session. 659 00:40:30,992 --> 00:40:31,406 Dan Assisi: Yeah. 660 00:40:31,406 --> 00:40:32,831 So quick recap. 661 00:40:32,849 --> 00:40:38,849 So we started talking about how nobody wins until everybody wins. 662 00:40:39,299 --> 00:40:44,789 We've talked about also the realization that we are more self-dependent than we 663 00:40:44,789 --> 00:40:46,664 expected, we're not, as self-sufficient. 664 00:40:46,994 --> 00:40:50,986 We've talked about what we really want re-centering, refocusing, 665 00:40:50,986 --> 00:40:54,046 and thinking about what is it that we really want from this life? 666 00:40:54,496 --> 00:40:58,486 We've talked about mental health awareness and we talked about faith 667 00:40:58,486 --> 00:40:59,836 and you're putting it in practice. 668 00:40:59,930 --> 00:41:03,686 So these are all things that are very important and they're monumental, right? 669 00:41:03,686 --> 00:41:04,526 They're important things. 670 00:41:04,532 --> 00:41:08,212 And so from all of this, What do you, what do you guys take away from the pandemic? 671 00:41:08,212 --> 00:41:10,192 What do you take away from the show today and what do you 672 00:41:10,192 --> 00:41:11,252 take away from the pandemic? 673 00:41:11,299 --> 00:41:14,629 As it continues to evolve and change our lives, 674 00:41:14,727 --> 00:41:18,330 Suzana Simões: I'm going to be very present in this moment and I'm going 675 00:41:18,330 --> 00:41:25,813 to say that I take away gratitude for the show that and being able to say to 676 00:41:25,813 --> 00:41:29,595 myself, Yeah, work is important, but I'm going to open a window and meet 677 00:41:29,615 --> 00:41:36,605 these guys and through these wonderful technology that allow us to do that 678 00:41:36,635 --> 00:41:42,583 in three different states in this country and at the same time gratitude 679 00:41:42,603 --> 00:41:48,183 normally, because we can do that, but also for having both of you in my life. 680 00:41:48,213 --> 00:41:53,996 And although we are not talking on a daily basis, I know that these quality 681 00:41:53,996 --> 00:41:59,216 of relations that I have, that if I need anything, and I'm always following you 682 00:41:59,216 --> 00:42:05,396 guys and having these relationships in my life is something that I am grateful for. 683 00:42:05,726 --> 00:42:10,914 So I think that the word is always what a gratitude. 684 00:42:11,017 --> 00:42:16,148 I want to say thank you both for inviting me to be here today and that I 685 00:42:16,148 --> 00:42:19,313 have a challenging schedule sometimes. 686 00:42:19,313 --> 00:42:20,970 And but you don't give up on me. 687 00:42:20,970 --> 00:42:28,950 So I'm so that truly to do, because I few nourished appreciation. 688 00:42:29,029 --> 00:42:29,749 That's great. 689 00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:32,539 I feel nourished by our conversation. 690 00:42:32,869 --> 00:42:38,329 And so here we are, this conversation is a result of the pandemic, our relationships, 691 00:42:38,329 --> 00:42:40,208 these workspace conversation. 692 00:42:40,212 --> 00:42:40,722 That's it. 693 00:42:40,792 --> 00:42:43,002 I want to end on a very personal note. 694 00:42:43,782 --> 00:42:46,392 Flavio Zanetti: So we thank you for putting up with us. 695 00:42:46,692 --> 00:42:47,292 That's what we do 696 00:42:48,662 --> 00:42:49,722 Dan Assisi: putting up with Flavio. 697 00:42:49,722 --> 00:42:52,152 We know that Flavia was the really drag of the show here. 698 00:42:52,152 --> 00:42:53,382 So a difficult one 699 00:42:53,382 --> 00:42:53,922 Flavio Zanetti: as we know. 700 00:42:55,902 --> 00:42:56,082 Yeah. 701 00:42:56,092 --> 00:42:58,296 But right through a hundred percent is phenomenal. 702 00:42:58,296 --> 00:42:58,566 Right? 703 00:42:58,896 --> 00:43:04,526 One of the, one of the successes for a fulfilled life or life fuel fulfillment, 704 00:43:04,616 --> 00:43:06,881 if I can say that, is gratitude. 705 00:43:06,971 --> 00:43:08,291 It's a life filled with granted. 706 00:43:08,681 --> 00:43:12,491 The more we feel, the more we practice gratitude, the happier, 707 00:43:12,491 --> 00:43:13,991 more fulfilled lives, all it. 708 00:43:14,501 --> 00:43:15,791 And your, 709 00:43:17,031 --> 00:43:20,126 Suzana Simões: So, I guess the pandemic also taught us that, right? 710 00:43:20,366 --> 00:43:25,413 To appreciate things to pay attention to things that, perhaps 711 00:43:25,413 --> 00:43:30,726 would be going notice and With more attention on our daily blessings. 712 00:43:32,346 --> 00:43:32,586 Dan Assisi: Yeah. 713 00:43:32,856 --> 00:43:35,406 100%, 100%. 714 00:43:35,406 --> 00:43:39,379 So now I'll go next and Flavia can come in at the end Flavio if that's okay with you. 715 00:43:39,586 --> 00:43:45,075 100% of what Susanna said, I, and I want to take that specific piece 716 00:43:45,075 --> 00:43:46,575 and make it a general conclusion. 717 00:43:46,642 --> 00:43:49,459 Yes, because yes, quality of relations. 718 00:43:49,459 --> 00:43:50,539 What's really important to you. 719 00:43:51,454 --> 00:43:58,339 Making time to think about myself beyond the physical is I think something that the 720 00:43:58,339 --> 00:44:02,888 pandemic really helped me with because he has prevented me from traveling as much 721 00:44:02,918 --> 00:44:07,658 from doing all the different things that I was doing before, which gave me more time 722 00:44:07,658 --> 00:44:09,488 for reflection in many different ways. 723 00:44:09,818 --> 00:44:13,304 And so this show, talking with your guys and everything else has 724 00:44:13,304 --> 00:44:15,674 made me try to spend more time. 725 00:44:16,829 --> 00:44:19,409 Self and what is it that I really want to do? 726 00:44:19,739 --> 00:44:22,349 I think some of them, you guys know, I even done professional 727 00:44:22,349 --> 00:44:23,829 changes, so I could have more time. 728 00:44:23,829 --> 00:44:27,660 For me to do the things that I want, which is to spend more time thinking about this. 729 00:44:27,660 --> 00:44:32,358 So I'm grateful for this difficult two years will have completely changed my my. 730 00:44:32,431 --> 00:44:34,051 For the better, in many different ways. 731 00:44:34,137 --> 00:44:37,227 And I'm really grateful for that and for these relationships. 732 00:44:37,497 --> 00:44:41,554 And so I'm grateful that that I obviously have you guys, so we can have this 733 00:44:41,554 --> 00:44:46,284 relationship that we can have the space to talk about things that really matter. 734 00:44:46,954 --> 00:44:48,874 And I think that's such an important thing for me. 735 00:44:49,234 --> 00:44:54,064 I need that space to talk about things that lift me and carry 736 00:44:54,064 --> 00:44:57,274 me on a few or me to keep doing whatever it is that I want to do. 737 00:44:57,514 --> 00:45:01,902 And recenter me, help me give me the moment to really think 738 00:45:01,902 --> 00:45:02,892 what is it that I really want? 739 00:45:04,257 --> 00:45:05,637 What is it that's really important to me. 740 00:45:05,637 --> 00:45:09,267 So I'm grateful for the pandemic for that grateful for you guys for that 741 00:45:09,267 --> 00:45:14,262 as well, to be my my thinking buddies here to put me during all this things. 742 00:45:14,262 --> 00:45:14,925 So thank you. 743 00:45:14,925 --> 00:45:18,465 And thank you for all the folks also, who are listening to us who send 744 00:45:18,465 --> 00:45:20,535 us messages, who sent us comments. 745 00:45:20,625 --> 00:45:21,645 It's really humbling. 746 00:45:21,645 --> 00:45:24,195 It's really lovely to see people from different places we just saw. 747 00:45:25,125 --> 00:45:29,625 Elsa Rossi from the UK chiming in, we have folks from all different parts 748 00:45:29,625 --> 00:45:33,400 of the world, sending us messages and being part of our conversations too. 749 00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:34,433 Is really great. 750 00:45:34,673 --> 00:45:36,533 Shout out to people out in Macau. 751 00:45:36,533 --> 00:45:39,233 For instance, we found out that Spiritist Conversations 752 00:45:39,373 --> 00:45:45,038 it's in the, more, most shows in Macau and it's pretty cool stuff 753 00:45:45,068 --> 00:45:46,315 that that we're really foreclosed. 754 00:45:46,315 --> 00:45:46,815 So thank you. 755 00:45:46,815 --> 00:45:47,445 Thank you for that. 756 00:45:47,445 --> 00:45:48,255 I'm grateful for that too. 757 00:45:48,675 --> 00:45:49,245 Flavio. 758 00:45:50,125 --> 00:45:52,635 Flavio Zanetti: It's the same grade in grade two ahead. 759 00:45:52,995 --> 00:45:57,345 I want to thank you both for being our partners do non-prime does think 760 00:45:57,345 --> 00:46:00,705 while we're doing here is really stuck and help a person or two out there. 761 00:46:00,915 --> 00:46:04,255 That's listening to us either live or later on. 762 00:46:04,310 --> 00:46:04,460 Yeah. 763 00:46:04,490 --> 00:46:05,120 Gratitude is huge. 764 00:46:05,178 --> 00:46:06,843 The pandemic thought of swimming lessons. 765 00:46:07,083 --> 00:46:08,763 I think everyone was going to have their own way. 766 00:46:09,543 --> 00:46:13,003 But at the end of the day, it's a call for us to look at ourselves. 767 00:46:13,153 --> 00:46:17,803 Not only this body that we have, but our spiritual beings, the things 768 00:46:17,803 --> 00:46:21,553 that really matter in our lives, the friendships, the family, the time we 769 00:46:21,553 --> 00:46:24,813 spent together, the quality of the relationships, our connectionwith 770 00:46:24,813 --> 00:46:26,863 God however, you practice that. 771 00:46:26,983 --> 00:46:30,043 However, we do that right through a church or through a group 772 00:46:30,043 --> 00:46:31,363 of people or through a book. 773 00:46:31,663 --> 00:46:36,163 Our connection with God is more, it's more strongly than ever these things. 774 00:46:36,943 --> 00:46:40,843 He's really, these things are really the best lessons that 775 00:46:40,843 --> 00:46:42,133 we'll hear from them pandemic. 776 00:46:42,403 --> 00:46:44,113 And it's not gonna stop there. 777 00:46:44,293 --> 00:46:48,463 W as the world continues to evolve, as we continue to grow as spiritual 778 00:46:48,463 --> 00:46:52,153 beings that we are, we'll continue to learn more things to better 779 00:46:52,153 --> 00:46:54,253 prepare ourselves for the future. 780 00:46:54,309 --> 00:46:58,876 Andy, on a very positive note, we all we all have a lot to be thankful, right? 781 00:46:59,176 --> 00:46:59,506 That's what. 782 00:47:01,841 --> 00:47:02,561 Dan Assisi: Wonderful. 783 00:47:02,651 --> 00:47:03,401 Thank you, Flavio. 784 00:47:03,431 --> 00:47:04,031 Thank you, Suzanne. 785 00:47:04,031 --> 00:47:07,151 And this is the part of the show where traditionally, when we have 786 00:47:07,151 --> 00:47:10,601 a guest, we ask them about sharing some of their projects or how 787 00:47:10,601 --> 00:47:11,501 we can get in touch with them. 788 00:47:11,561 --> 00:47:14,291 We don't have a guest today, just the three of us. 789 00:47:14,711 --> 00:47:16,901 So I figured we would improvise and as Susanna. 790 00:47:16,901 --> 00:47:21,521 Susanna, tell us a little bit how people can get in touch with you. 791 00:47:21,521 --> 00:47:24,821 I know that you have a Facebook page, you have a YouTube channel. 792 00:47:25,486 --> 00:47:29,536 Tell us a little bit about how people can connect with you and social media, 793 00:47:29,536 --> 00:47:35,146 if they want to follow what you're doing, but you got to come off from your first. 794 00:47:37,826 --> 00:47:38,319 Suzana Simões: Yeah. 795 00:47:38,391 --> 00:47:41,734 So we have the YouTube channel so there's other some way 70. 796 00:47:41,734 --> 00:47:47,141 So you can find oh, our lectures and participations. 797 00:47:47,141 --> 00:47:51,142 I also share these conversations during the YouTube channel. 798 00:47:51,142 --> 00:47:54,682 So all work can be found at that channel. 799 00:47:54,682 --> 00:47:58,282 And also at least the ground, same thing, Susanna, Simone, one 70. 800 00:47:59,902 --> 00:48:00,232 Dan Assisi: Yeah. 801 00:48:00,292 --> 00:48:03,262 So shout out to Susan and all the work she's doing. 802 00:48:03,442 --> 00:48:05,902 If you want to connect with her, go ahead. 803 00:48:05,902 --> 00:48:07,355 Find her on social media. 804 00:48:07,355 --> 00:48:09,199 She's done something to make our life easier. 805 00:48:09,199 --> 00:48:13,939 She has the same handle, the same username in different places, which I love. 806 00:48:13,954 --> 00:48:16,577 You don't need to be creative people with your social media channels. 807 00:48:16,577 --> 00:48:17,957 Just keep it the same so we can find. 808 00:48:18,677 --> 00:48:23,330 So follow her a morning, sit seven, and for all of you guys out there we 809 00:48:23,330 --> 00:48:25,716 love to have you continue to follow us. 810 00:48:25,745 --> 00:48:29,035 We'll have another show at the end of December. 811 00:48:29,245 --> 00:48:30,505 It's going to be an interesting one. 812 00:48:30,505 --> 00:48:33,295 We're planning I think it fro the 16th of December and it's calling 813 00:48:33,625 --> 00:48:36,265 follow Christ, not the Christians. 814 00:48:36,525 --> 00:48:37,525 Ha look at that. 815 00:48:37,525 --> 00:48:41,095 We're going to let them hair, we can a little bit, we're going to talk 816 00:48:41,097 --> 00:48:42,907 about Christianity in crisis since. 817 00:48:42,907 --> 00:48:46,201 The Christmas is coming up and how's that slightly different sometimes. 818 00:48:46,201 --> 00:48:47,311 And most people imagined. 819 00:48:47,341 --> 00:48:49,861 So we are really grateful to have you here. 820 00:48:49,861 --> 00:48:51,121 Don't forget to listen to us. 821 00:48:51,121 --> 00:48:52,021 Subscribe to us. 822 00:48:52,021 --> 00:48:54,241 We're also very creative with our names, spirit. 823 00:48:54,241 --> 00:48:56,821 This conversation's all social media. 824 00:48:56,851 --> 00:48:58,570 That's what our name is. 825 00:48:58,570 --> 00:49:01,597 Thank you one more time for listening and we hope to see you soon.