[00:00:00] Eric Goranson: It's around the house. I'm happy. We didn't have smell of vision for that. When you guys were pulling that carpet up, by the way, that was

[00:00:09] Sarah Listi: disgusting. Okay. So here's what was really gross. Um, when we started doing that, it didn't smell when you walked into the room. Sure. So I. Expected was, I wouldn't say I expected, I was concerned that we would find some stuff just because you and I both know being in the construction industry, like sometimes corners get caught, unfortunately, and we've all been there and seen that.

[00:00:32] Sarah Listi: Yeah. As much

[00:00:33] Eric Goranson: as, and that things ever been cleaned up a hundred percent.

[00:00:36] Sarah Listi: Yeah. And because of like how the family came to own the home, like that carpet had already been replaced. So in my mind, I'm like some, I bet we're gonna find some unfortunate circumstances, but the minute you lifted that carpet, I think Macel said it smelled like raw meat.

[00:00:51] Sarah Listi: And that was a, it smelled ranted. It was the grossest. When it comes to remodeling and renovating your home, there is a lot to [00:01:00] know, but we've got you covered. This is around the house.

[00:01:04] Eric Goranson: Welcome. Show. This is what we talk about. Everything. Home improvement, construction, DIY design, every single week. Thanks for joining us.

[00:01:14] Eric Goranson: I have my good friend in the house here. Tool, girls garage, Sarah listy. There are so many, I can't even put you in a box.

[00:01:25] Sarah Listi: why bother, you know, it's it's okay.

[00:01:28] Eric Goranson: Welcome to around the house. Famous TV show person too. Oh

[00:01:32] Sarah Listi: my heavens to Betsy. Well, thank you. I'm so excited to be here. You had to throw in that, that joke, the famous TV person you had to go there.

[00:01:42] Eric Goranson: Oh yeah. You know me, this is what we do, so right. First fun to be here. Yeah. I love your show by the way. And I don't say that a lot about stuff and it's not just. I've got a friend up there, but it's a real legitimate show that I go, oh wow. This is not [00:02:00] super scripted. You're out there doing the murder

[00:02:03] Sarah Listi: house.

[00:02:04] Sarah Listi: No, in fact there, I mean, there's no scripting behind it, which I was excited about. You know, we hear, I mean, I don't know how you feel about it, but when you go into, uh, a TV scenario, you never really know. What to expect. And this was my first filming experience like that. And so I was concerned that like, that was gonna be pushed a lot, like, Hey, say this or say that obviously there's questions asked, but all the answers are like 100% authentic.

[00:02:31] Sarah Listi: And you know, I mean, Mackel and I had so much fun in sometimes those like interviews where it's just him and I and the producer. Oh my gosh. The stuff that like ended up on the cutting room floor. You can't imagine. It was amazing. Nice.

[00:02:47] Eric Goranson: So we're talking about murder house flip over on original Roku. So

[00:02:51] Sarah Listi: Roku original.

[00:02:53] Sarah Listi: So it's which cool with Roku is it's a free service. Mm-hmm I believe it's in 80 million households now. [00:03:00] Yeah. Um, yeah, so they're in a bunch of different countries, uh, and if you don't have a Roku at home, you. Obviously go onto the Roku website. Um, again, it's one of their few originals and they're expanding, they're doing some big stuff.

[00:03:12] Sarah Listi: So I think there's, you know, gonna be some exciting, fun stuff, uh, coming for them. I wish I had like inside scoop. I don't, but um, just a little tidbits. I hear, it sounds like it's gonna be a really fun couple of years for them.

[00:03:25] Eric Goranson: Nice. That's cool. Yeah. So let's talk about the show minute before we get into like all the other fun tool and project stuff, but yeah.

[00:03:33] Eric Goranson: This thing, you guys started out with a bang on this, that episode, you guys just like started out with the rocket ship Ferrari or something. You did not hold back on the first episode.

[00:03:45] Sarah Listi: You know, what's funny is, uh, when we filmed the show that episode, believe it or not, we filmed last. It just came down to.

[00:03:53] Sarah Listi: You know, uh, scheduling and stuff. And we obviously, you know, you don't know how that stuff's going to get ordered out. And I'm [00:04:00] glad they used that as the first one, because it was a really big project and it was such a. Recent. I mean, it was the Jody Arias house where she murdered her then boyfriend, Travis Alexander, really tragic, gruesome murder and brutal.

[00:04:16] Sarah Listi: Oh my gosh. And very little of the house had been updated or changed. So by the time we came in, even though it's been, I wanna say it's like 10 years. Yeah. . I mean, it was almost eerie looking at crime scene pictures and like being like, oh my God, this is the same tile. Like, I mean some stuff. Yeah, but it was still, it was a little

[00:04:36] Eric Goranson: creepy.

[00:04:37] Eric Goranson: It was the same bathroom sink

[00:04:39] Sarah Listi: was shower, everything. It was. That was pretty gross. Um, but you know, I think it's when this couple bought the house, it didn't occur to them through that process that like, this was that house. It just didn't cross their mind. They just thought they were getting a really great deal.

[00:04:54] Sarah Listi: And by the time they found out they couldn't do anything about it, you know? And so it was a big honor, I [00:05:00] think, to be able to, you know, Be a part of something like that. And to be able to walk into, you know, a family's home and like that family, that young kids and, you know, it was a family house. Um, To be able to walk in and be a part of changing something, you know, really negative and dark and making it something so positive.

[00:05:21] Sarah Listi: Um, I mean, when we left, like there was not a dry ice dry eye in the house, like the, that was such an impactful, crazy moment. It was definitely a high note, um, to rap filming the show on, for sure. That feeling was, uh, I I've told you obviously. In our conversations like you couldn't, if you could bottle that emotion of like showing this family a house and like these, and it wasn't just them, it was all of.

[00:05:47] Sarah Listi: Like, oh my gosh. That would be amazing. You just wanna like, smell it on a bad day or something, you know? Yeah. And by

[00:05:53] Eric Goranson: the way, smell it on a bad day. I, I I'm happy. We didn't have smell of vision for that when you guys were pulling that carpet up, by the way. [00:06:00] That was

[00:06:00] Sarah Listi: disgusting. Okay. So here's what was really gross.

[00:06:03] Sarah Listi: Um, when we started doing that, it didn't smell when you walked into the room. Sure. So. I expected was, I wouldn't say I expected, I was concerned that we would find some stuff just because you and I both know, being in the construction industry, like sometimes corners get cut, unfortunately. And we've all been there and seen that.

[00:06:23] Sarah Listi: Yeah. As much as we do, nothing's ever cleaned

[00:06:25] Eric Goranson: up a hundred percent.

[00:06:26] Sarah Listi: Yeah. And because of like how the family came to own the home, like that carpet had already been replaced. So in my mind, I'm like some, I bet we're gonna find some. Unfortunate circumstances, but the minute you lifted that carpet. I think Macel said it smelled like raw meat and that was a, it smelled ranted.

[00:06:44] Sarah Listi: It was the grossest, like , I don't even know it was so bad. Like I literally con vividly remember the smell and it's like, there goes dinner. My appetite's gone for sure. But, um, it Wass, like you

[00:06:56] Eric Goranson: opened up death's door and you were staring into it. It was just, I mean, [00:07:00] it was

[00:07:00] Sarah Listi: so we just didn't the smell is not what I would've expected.

[00:07:03] Sarah Listi: Yeah. Because it's, I mean, Ew. It was, yeah, it was hard to explain. I'm glad that the smell of vision that would've been convenient. Yep. But it was, yeah, just thinking of that was oh, but

[00:07:16] Eric Goranson: see, knowing you, I watched that, I know your reaction. I'm like, That there is no way that's scripted. I can tell that is a hundred percent real, cuz that was just 100% Sarah right there.

[00:07:28] Eric Goranson: I was just laughing going there. It is there its, that was the real

[00:07:32] Sarah Listi: deal. Well, it's funny cuz you had mentioned that and I had a couple other people that have known me over the years, say something similar and I'll be honest, like of all of the positive feedback of all the, any feedback that I think meant the most to me, because it's very hard when you get put in a weird situation and you know, I always felt like I was 100% me, but the fact that everybody else also saw that was, I know it sounds dumb, but like, it really meant a lot for me to hear because you just [00:08:00] don't know how things are gonna get, you know, you just don't know.

[00:08:04] Sarah Listi: Yeah. Hope

[00:08:05] Eric Goranson: and pray that editing does you a favor and doesn't go the other direction and not do you a favor because. That would've been bad. So really you guys did what a four or five days and had to make 20 minutes outta that.

[00:08:18] Sarah Listi: I mean, yeah, it was like that house was five full days of filming and it was 25 minute episodes.

[00:08:27] Sarah Listi: Yeah. So, uh, I mean, which, it sounds weird. I think you and I talked about this, but it was so crazy. Those days were long days. There's lot. And, and there's crews that are working behind us too. And there's so much that you don't even get to see because so much gets cut out. Um, but also like it makes for a really fun storyline, because I think obviously, especially in, in the renovation TV world, as much as I wish, some more we could have seen or some as I could have shown more, um, I feel like it kept a nice pace and it [00:09:00] kept it fun and interesting.

[00:09:01] Sarah Listi: You know, there weren't really any lulls in the show, which I think, yeah, obviously is a credit to, not for them being quicker episodes, you know? And then you had some

[00:09:10] Eric Goranson: challenges too. I mean that the golden state killer house had its own challenge. I looked at that and was like, as a designer, I'm going. Wow.

[00:09:19] Eric Goranson: You've got some challenges here on trying to make that feel safe.

[00:09:23] Sarah Listi: Well, and, and you know, that one was sad because, uh, This woman had the owner. She beautiful, beautiful woman. Her name's Karina, beautiful home. Her and her young kids had bought this house and they found out, um, shortly after she purchased it, she had construction crews working there.

[00:09:42] Sarah Listi: She wasn't living there yet. Yeah. And she got a call that they were, they were news crews out front of the house recording. And so hearing that, and then of course, you know, You know, things start to make sense. People start to give her information. Um, and then she realizes, oh my God, what am I gonna do? [00:10:00] And her bedroom was the room re renovated.

[00:10:02] Sarah Listi: And that was unfortunately where the golden state killer like entered and, you know, committed this just, I mean, Eric, the approached gruesome crime. Yeah. Oh my gosh. I mean the, some of the stuff that you guys that the, uh, detective that was a huge part of that investigation told us. That was so hard to wrap your head around.

[00:10:22] Sarah Listi: Like we gotta see the Creek where he hid and like it was oh,

[00:10:25] Eric Goranson: wow. Okay. So all the stuff that didn't make the show, I mean, they talked about yeah. The, the dishes for a second and that was it.

[00:10:33] Sarah Listi: And, you know, there was so much more to that story cuz like he went and ate a snack in their kitchen. Wow. Like in the midst of this brutal cry, I mean, it was.

[00:10:43] Sarah Listi: I mean of all the houses that we did. I would say that one was the one that I had the hardest time with too. Just like, as an individual being in and then trying to really cause so much a part of like how I viewed it was, what would I do if I were these homeowners? What would I [00:11:00] wanna change? Sure. How, you know what I mean?

[00:11:01] Sarah Listi: Like how would I feel better here? Um, that one was the hard one. Cause you just were like, what's gonna make you feel better.

[00:11:08] Eric Goranson: And you couldn't do anything in the exterior cuz HOA type stuff. Cuz it was more of a condo type community. It looked like,

[00:11:13] Sarah Listi: right? Yeah. He was, I mean really beautiful little community, but yeah, there was, you were stuck with what you could really do.

[00:11:20] Sarah Listi: And so it was, it was a interesting experience, I will say too, that one was, uh, a challenge for Macl and I from a different standpoint. Um, obviously the emotion and, and just limited with HOA, but also she had beautiful taste to start with. Like, it was a beautiful space so you kind of felt like going in and you're like, Okay.

[00:11:43] Sarah Listi: So what do you want me to do? yeah.

[00:11:46] Eric Goranson: It's it's it's like, you got a brand new 20, 22 F two 50 and you're like, yeah. Oh, I'm gonna rep it again.

[00:11:53] Sarah Listi: You're like, what am I to do here? So it was, yeah. And we, we really took a risk with her, [00:12:00] with that space, for sure. Uh, and McAllen, I really talked about it a lot because it was kinda like.

[00:12:05] Sarah Listi: You know, how far do we wanna push her out of her comfort zone? Cuz we knew her personality obviously through previous discussions. And then of course you get to see a lot of that on camera, but yeah. Um, you know, we, we really wanted to make it right for her and, and wanted to do her crowd. And so it was, yeah, it was, that was tough.

[00:12:26] Sarah Listi: And you. You kind of have to roll with it. And we had all these hurdles too, cuz uh, I was concerned going into it cuz of course there's been discussions like behind the scenes with production and the media team and uh, and the art department, et cetera. And they're obviously trying to come up with plans.

[00:12:43] Sarah Listi: So, you know, photos are taken etcetera and I kept looking at it and I was like, I don't think this is gonna work here with the doors. And once we were there, I was like, And I said, you know, until the day of, I was like, Hey, we're gonna try. Cuz I think it would look really good. And I felt like it was the least [00:13:00] intrusive option.

[00:13:01] Sarah Listi: Um, but I think what we ended up doing was kind of like the double French doors where it really didn't look anything like it had started out. Um, yeah, I think that ended up being really the right call, um, for her too. Cause I think she would've been more. I don't know. I don't know that like that would've barn doors would've fit her style, even, especially after meeting her in person versus early meetings.

[00:13:23] Sarah Listi: You know, I could see that I could see

[00:13:24] Eric Goranson: that. And, and it's tough having to build barn doors like that on site, get it to work without it looking like completely cheese ball.

[00:13:32] Sarah Listi: It was. And we, we had already done like this big board and Batten, uh, design through the entire, uh, bedroom. And so I will say what ended up being very cool is we could just continued it.

[00:13:44] Sarah Listi: Those doors. And so it really did feel like just part of the room. And when you walked out, like from the outside, it looked like a sliding glass door. Yes. But from the inside it didn't. So it, it ended up being really. An interesting process. It was one [00:14:00] I'm, I'm really glad we gotta be a part of it. Kind of stretch your muscles a little bit, if you will.

[00:14:04] Sarah Listi: yeah. You know, sometimes you gotta have those challenges, right?

[00:14:08] Eric Goranson: You do, you do one other thing. My daughter brought this up cuz we had a bunch of her kids were over last night and their friends were over, you know, they're all in their twenties and we're watching and, and uh, I popped it on and they got sucked in, but here's funny kid.

[00:14:21] Eric Goranson: Oh, I, that it was hilarious. And so I sent you a text last night with a picture them out there watching it, but here was the funny thing they took away from it, which I just laughed. Alfalfa's house what's with the age of old television shows. You know, it's not like you're talking about, you know, if mark Hamel was killed, you wouldn't say it was Luke Skywalker that just got killed.

[00:14:45] Sarah Listi: I don't know. You know, you know what I mean? Yeah. It it's funny because, uh, you know, we had a guy like our expert on that house. He had like written a graphic novel, cuz that murder happened in the fifties. Yeah. It was a long time. Yeah, so or late. [00:15:00] Yeah. Or I think it was mid fifties. This was really long time ago.

[00:15:02] Sarah Listi: So he was telling the story and obviously one of the hard parts is, is, you know, Uh, and I guess we, we shouldn't call it murder either because the person was, yeah, that's true. That's yeah. That's fair. Self defense, good point. Yeah. Yeah. So, so let me re rephrase that

[00:15:16] Eric Goranson: unintentional murder or death

[00:15:18] Sarah Listi: or whatever you wanna call it.

[00:15:18] Sarah Listi: Yeah. The death. Um, but listening to the story too, it sounds like he did the alfalfa series or he played alfalfa, and then he had a really hard time finding work afterward and it really kind of snowballed his life in a lot of really difficult ways. So you really do have a lot of sympathy. You know for him.

[00:15:37] Sarah Listi: And, and I'll say that the, the other five houses that we did, so obviously the golden state killer, that was a serial killer. That was different. Yeah. Um, and the areas went a little weird, but the other ones was really like crimes of passion, you know, mm-hmm, where somebody, something happened, some interaction just got out of control and somebody got hurt.

[00:15:58] Sarah Listi: And it was really sad to hear [00:16:00] that. Like, I mean, I don't know, you just kind of. Just glad that it's I, I don't know. I mean, it was, yeah. It's, it's, it's a trip. It's a trip. Yeah. It really was. It was hard to, to hear it, but yeah, the alfalfa house, it was funny that we referred to it that way cuz, but everybody

[00:16:17] Eric Goranson: does.

[00:16:17] Eric Goranson: And it's not that you guys did it, but I, I, I still don't remember the name of that actor. And it's funny how that era that we put people yeah. In, by the character name and not. By the actor's

[00:16:30] Sarah Listi: name, but I wonder different now, but it's, I wonder if it's because yeah. People move on to play so many roles throughout like a 20 year career, 30 year career.

[00:16:38] Sarah Listi: Yeah, I think back then, like if you played a role, like that was the role. I don't think they produced as many shows, like in terms of volume now there's, you know, cable and every streaming platform, et cetera. Like to be fair. It's I wonder if it's just a. Just a sheer volume changes how that works. Yeah.

[00:16:57] Sarah Listi: That makes, makes sense. I mean, cuz you didn't have a lot of like [00:17:00] Luci balls. It was like a one of a few, right? Like absolutely. Yeah. And she really played herself more than anything

[00:17:06] Eric Goranson: yeah, no she did. And that's and that was the good part of what she did was she just had to go out and be herself

[00:17:11] Sarah Listi: with that stuff.

[00:17:12] Sarah Listi: Yeah. She's a, she was, I love her. That was, she was amazing. Oh yeah. They don't make

[00:17:18] Eric Goranson: that anymore. No, no, not even

[00:17:20] Sarah Listi: close. Not at all. .

[00:17:22] Eric Goranson: So let's talk about what you're doing. I mean enough about the TV show. That's all cool and stuff, but man, you have built a career around building, crafting tools, all of that, and a little of building cool stuff,

[00:17:37] Sarah Listi: a little of everything, you know, it's funny when I.

[00:17:39] Sarah Listi: Came into the power tool industry, um, you know, little background. I was, I always say I was like raised with a hammer in my hand. My dad was like the original DIY or like before DIYing was cool. Like I grew up watching, you know, this old house, like Bob Vila, like that, literally just, I can hear his [00:18:00] voice so distinctly and it's such.

[00:18:02] Sarah Listi: Emotional tie to my childhood. Um, but my dad was one of those that really was super passionate about making everything he touched better somehow. And he was that way with people too. I mean, he was, that was really neat facet of him, something that hasn't changed. Um, but as a child, it was really cool when you see somebody.

[00:18:22] Sarah Listi: Like one of your parents, you know, renovating a bathroom to make it handicap accessible for my grandmother who lived with us or building an addition on the back of my childhood home, those things are really. Mentally, emotionally impactful. They were like these moments that you, you kind of can't forget, but I mean, I saw him do all kinds of stuff from those kinds of additions.

[00:18:43] Sarah Listi: He had his, uh, construction business on the side where he did renovations and, and construction additions, et cetera, for other people too. Um, in addition to his full-time jobs, this man never stopped working. I have no idea how he did it. Um, but then, you know, I also gotta see him like rebuild engines and like he was super [00:19:00] UG.

[00:19:00] Sarah Listi: He still. Yeah. And it's like a lost art. Like you talk about a Jack of all trades. That was my dad. So I saw that growing up. And so I never felt intimidated or scared of building in general. And when I was in my mid twenties, I had had my son and, um, you know, obviously not to get into that too much, but I always credit him a lot with kind of directing me towards more woodworking because mm-hmm.

[00:19:28] Sarah Listi: He was early in his autism diagnosis and he was having a lot of, um, health issues and it was a really difficult time. Um, and it was one of those I would go out in the shop and at that point it was literally my garage and it was like half of the garage and it was like a handful of tools really. Um, and I would just work on different projects and it was.

[00:19:48] Sarah Listi: I always called it therapy. And it's your mental

[00:19:51] Eric Goranson: health minute building something,

[00:19:52] Sarah Listi: right? Yeah. And there's something about that mix of the creativity. And then also having to critically think of like, structure and like, how do I need to [00:20:00] incorporate supports here and what am I looking for this to support?

[00:20:03] Sarah Listi: And then even to height it's, I mean, it's, you know, so it's it's what do you want it to look like? But then it's how it needs to be built. Mm-hmm and then also the sensory experience of like the smell of wood. Uh, you know, fine tuning your tools and learning all those learning curves, especially when you're really trying to hone in on some like detail work.

[00:20:24] Sarah Listi: Um, And just the feel of sanding and I mean, it's just such an amazing all encompassing at use. It's like every aspect of your brain. And honestly, from there, I never looked back. I on the media side, obviously, of what more, most people know of me today. That really didn't start till, uh, you know, five or six years ago.

[00:20:44] Sarah Listi: Mm-hmm I started doing, uh, power tool reviews for a publication, and it was a really amazing experience and slowly but surely got into it more and more, and then ended up sort of spinning outta my own and sort of initially really known as a [00:21:00] writer, if you will, more on the, you know, Writing about power tools, right?

[00:21:03] Sarah Listi: Yeah. And, and reviewing these products. Um, but honestly it really came down to, I was spending more time talking about tools and using them, which was not really the design of myself, you know? Yeah. Cause I wanted my opinion and my, my feedback on a product and on a tool and on an innovation to really be, to really come from.

[00:21:23] Sarah Listi: Experience in it and, and, and use, you know, and, and, and hours behind that tool and hours using it, and really tried and true and tested. And so I kind of switched, you know, shifted gears a little bit. So now it's much more of a hybrid situation. I still do write. But yeah, I mean, it's, it's funny how it all kind of, I just focused more on what I was doing with the tools rather than the tool itself, if that makes sense.

[00:21:44] Eric Goranson: Nice. And you know, manufacturers, I can say this for myself and I'm sure it's the same for you. Sometimes manufacturers put us in an interesting position where they send us tools. Yeah. That suck.

[00:21:56] Sarah Listi: Yeah. We've been there. We've there,

[00:21:58] Eric Goranson: you know, I mean, you get it [00:22:00] and you're like, Wow, you're gonna produce this.

[00:22:03] Eric Goranson: And yeah, you're very honest. I'm very honest. And that puts us in these interesting situations sometimes where we're like, oh, we I'm gonna talk about this. And it's a dud.

[00:22:14] Sarah Listi: And, and honestly, I think it's all in, you know, I we've talked about this too in the past. I think also meeting a tool brain where they're at, you know, like I wouldn't expect a entry level, like DIY based tool to go up.

[00:22:27] Sarah Listi: You know, a fed tool or Nikita or Milwaukee even, you know, like I wouldn't expect that's not a fair comparison. No. Um, so I think obviously from the context of like, when I discuss a tool I'm really going off of the intended user and then I'd always say like, if you're. Say a pro who does this?

[00:22:45] Sarah Listi: Occasionally, maybe this still works or, you know what I mean? Like you try to give context to it. I think that's really valuable. Um, but there's nothing worse than when a brand is really excited about a product and you get it. And you're like, Um, [00:23:00] so yeah, about that. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:23:02] Eric Goranson: It's tough. And we've got, you know, and, and I can say this about most power tool companies out there that are just the name brand people that have been doing construction.

[00:23:12] Eric Goranson: And I'm not saying anything bad about anybody, but they start getting into, okay, I'm gonna make power tools and wow. Now we're a lawn equipment company, or now we're a coffee making company and now we're a. Dude, dial it back, guys, dial it back. Can you just make really good tools that we can use? Yes. And not try to be everything to everybody.

[00:23:30] Sarah Listi: Right. And you know, diversification is great, right? Only if though you're not sacrificing quality to do it. Once you start sending out, or once you start producing products that are kind of lame that you're like, nobody is gonna use this against this brand. Or like, especially if you're going against. A brand that that's all they do.

[00:23:50] Sarah Listi: Like, yeah, don't compare it to, you know, this specialty manufacturer, that's all they're doing is O P or whatever, right? Yeah. Like your lawnmower is not gonna stack [00:24:00] up or your blower is not gonna stack up and chainsaw or whatever. Right. Yes. Stop expecting it to . Um, but it's, you know, it's, it's, it's it's business models, right?

[00:24:10] Sarah Listi: Like, we've talked about this also, like there's brands that produce hundreds of new tools every year. Yeah. And obviously that's. They're right. Um, I'm always hesitant to put a lot of my energy into that because to me, unless you're making, you know, just updated skews basically and changing like one or two small details, and it's the same as the last model, what happens is quality gets sacrificed a lot.

[00:24:34] Sarah Listi: And, and I think, you know, you, and I notice not to name names, but that has happened with a handful of brands that we both know and, and have worked with. And.

[00:24:44] Eric Goranson: I'm pointing to 'em on my wall, but we're not, you can't see on wall. OK. Like I was like,

[00:24:48] Sarah Listi: could people see that Nope. They can't. right. Where I'd rather see those companies, you know, in contrast there's there's those companies that are like launching 10 new tools a year or something, or [00:25:00] 20 or whatever.

[00:25:00] Sarah Listi: Right. Depending on the brand. And they tend to just be so well thought out that like, if they're bringing it to market it's cuz like blood, sweat and tears went into it. Yeah. You know, and versus

[00:25:11] Eric Goranson: us being the test audience and going hope it

[00:25:13] Sarah Listi: works. Yeah. Now I will say too, one thing that's, that's neat to like switch gears kind of, but in the same vein.

[00:25:19] Sarah Listi: Um, you probably get the opportunity like I do where I'll have tools. Pre-production yes. And so that is an interesting position, cuz it's not meant to be talked about publicly. Right. They're literally asking for our feedback on it, which is such a crazy thing to like know, uh, it's very humbling cuz you're like this brand is literally so invested in my opinion that they're going to take my feedback and do something with.

[00:25:45] Eric Goranson: Usually just so people can understand it's tools show up. It's not in the final packaging, it's in the, it's in a box. There's maybe not instructions that come with it, you know? Yes. There's

[00:25:57] Sarah Listi: oftentimes it'll say like number one of [00:26:00] 12 or whatever, however many production units

[00:26:02] Eric Goranson: so it's, it's really rudimentary.

[00:26:05] Eric Goranson: And they're just saying, Hey, um, go play with it hard and let us know what we didn't do.

[00:26:10] Sarah Listi: Yes. And, and, and in those cases, once those tools come out and you can talk about it, you know, my perspective, I always give it a little attitude, knowing it wasn't the final production version. Sure. Would be fair. Okay.

[00:26:21] Sarah Listi: Just, um, but I also always do say that. So I think disclosure is important. Uh, you know, power tool views is such an interesting space, cuz like. Especially once you're at a point where you're getting sponsorships and, and we do get free tools. And oftentimes then also get, you know, compensated on top of that, but like how you and I have always approached it.

[00:26:42] Sarah Listi: And I, I we've talked about this before. Yeah. There's not a single brand that has ever written me a track that I did not buy tools before they ever knew who I existed. Amen. Yeah. Like I, and if I wouldn't spend the money on it, like I'll say that. And if people don't like it, like from a brand perspective, I would never be [00:27:00] disrespectful.

[00:27:00] Sarah Listi: I would also, you know, I always go outta my way to let the brand know, like, this is what I'm gonna criticize. I want you to know so that there's not a surprise, you know, but mm-hmm, that nobody gets control over what I say, you know? And that's so important cuz I think that gets lost in the mix too a little bit.

[00:27:18] Sarah Listi: Oh, I had a,

[00:27:19] Eric Goranson: I had a company and I'm gonna very make this, so nobody knows who I'm talking about, but they'd sent me a, a, a drill and a, you know, power. Impact and drill, set and saw. And in my video I went, I mean, if you're a homeowner, this might work for you, but you're not gonna build a house with it.

[00:27:38] Sarah Listi: Right.

[00:27:38] Sarah Listi: And on, so too, like, to be fair, if you are a homeowner and you're looking to like set up bookcases or you're looking to hang a few pictures or whatever, do you need a $400 drill and impact set? No, like, of course not. So I, and I think that's where that perspective, like what a perfect way to say that because yeah.

[00:27:56] Sarah Listi: It is not a pro level tool, but it's, [00:28:00] if you don't need that, that's pretty awesome too, you know? Yeah.

[00:28:03] Eric Goranson: If it's inexpensive and it's in your ballpark and you're doing it. Yeah. You know, who cares? Great. It it'll get the job done. But you know, the other part of that too is, and I have this argument as well with many people in the woodworking industry and, and builders or modelers out there, you can take a skilled crafts person and give them a horrible tool and they will struggle building that.

[00:28:24] Eric Goranson: Awesome. As.

[00:28:26] Sarah Listi: Yeah, well, it's funny. So I, I have, I see both sides of that. I feel that tools are part of it. Mm-hmm I think the, I think good tools maybe make your process easier, but like nobody can replace skill. Like true. An experience, no tool is gonna come in and be able to like, do what I can do on its own without me behind it.

[00:28:51] Sarah Listi: Do you know what I mean? Like a hundred percent. Yes. So I feel like I, I, I don't know. I couldn't quite tell if that's where you're going with that, but I think that that's a huge part of it is like, I, [00:29:00] I know people who literally are in their garage using tools, they bought at Walmart and do work that is so beyond anything else that, you know, Joe blow is making with.

[00:29:12] Sarah Listi: High end stuff. Like it's just, I think skill and like true effort and time. And. Passion for it. I think that stuff you can't buy that where you can buy better. Not at all,

[00:29:24] Eric Goranson: not at all, you know? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, that's the thing you can, you can go out and spend $10,000 on a shop and if you still don't have that skill and that attention to detail.

[00:29:33] Eric Goranson: Yeah. It's still gonna look at that. Versus you sitting there with, you know, 40 year old power equipment. That's that, that should be on a shelf in a, in a museum versus in your, in your shop.

[00:29:44] Sarah Listi: So well said though but I think it's in, I, I do think it's, you know, it's, it is such a, kind of a weird juxtaposition, cuz I think sometimes, uh, the power tool industry, you know, and it's not really directed at any one brand or one manufacturer or even the [00:30:00] attitude.

[00:30:00] Sarah Listi: Really. I think though part of it is that newer, better, faster, stronger, whatever. And I think we've lost a little bit of sight of like skill. Yes. And being willing to say like, we've, you know, I, I posted yesterday, I'm welding something. I am not a welder. Okay. Can I weld? Yes. Yes. Big difference though. Right?

[00:30:24] Sarah Listi: huge difference. Big difference. I am not a welder, but I can weld it'll pass with some work to clean up. Um, but it's I, and I think saying that sometimes is like necessary. I, I feel. Strongly that I think. And this comes down to that social media aspect really more than anything that it's so easy to kinda like overstate.

[00:30:46] Sarah Listi: Ourselves and like, there's nothing wrong with saying, I'm not an expert in this. I wanna hear from you. Like, I want your feedback. You're the expert. Tell me, teach me, because I think that kind of like arrogance, if you will. And I don't know if that's the right word, but, [00:31:00] um, there

[00:31:00] Eric Goranson: is some little bravado, little arrogance,

[00:31:02] Sarah Listi: you know?

[00:31:03] Sarah Listi: Yeah. Kind of being unwilling to hear other people. I think that, that, that's a very common thing that we see. And what ends up happening is, unfortunately, you're not doing yourself any favors because. I can learn from somebody who's done it 50 years, something I would've never known, but I'm gonna also say that if somebody just got into something and they have a different method that works and it's working for them, there's not one right or wrong.

[00:31:29] Sarah Listi: It's just different. And I think you can also equally learn from somebody who's approaching it for the first time, you know? Oh yeah, absolutely. And I think that, that, yeah, like let's all respect our, you know, where you're at and, and be willing to share. My information and your informa, you know, like share what you know, and also listen to what you see so that, you know, we can be the best we can be, you know, like team effort.

[00:31:55] Eric Goranson: Absolutely. It's, it's no different than when I had of, uh, and I, I know I drive, 'em crazy [00:32:00] sometimes, but when I had the electrician out, uh, to redo the panel in my house a couple years ago, it needed a new one. I didn't have time to do. And I could have done it and I'm just like, ah, I'm just gonna have them do it.

[00:32:10] Eric Goranson: We, you know, got it taken care of, but did I spend a bunch of time watching and chatting with the electrician learning little ticks and tricks? A hundred percent? Yeah. Same with my heating and cooling system when they came in, uh, I knew the guys, so it was even better. So I learned a lot of details on what's.

[00:32:27] Eric Goranson: Right. And what's not so, right, right. And there's a lot of cool little details that I learned that before that project, I didn't really know it cuz I don't do it every.

[00:32:36] Sarah Listi: Well, and that's funny. I had a, a when actually when I was in Portland, um, we replaced the spring set up on both of our garage doors. And I don't know that.

[00:32:46] Sarah Listi: Could I have done this? No question. That's not the issue though. Did I wanna do it? Heck. No, not really. So we paid somebody to come in and this is the same person that we've worked with in the past year, many years ago. And my husband was like, you know, he was really [00:33:00] cool. He knew who you were. And we talked about that a little bit.

[00:33:02] Sarah Listi: Um, and he said, you know, but just curious, he asked why didn't wanna do it yourself. And I, and Matt already knew when, when obviously Matt's my husband. Um, and he said, you know, it's, it comes down to, I I'm gonna value somebody's skill. You know what I mean? That is something that if in an emergency I needed to do a hundred percent, I've repaired more than my fair share of garage doors.

[00:33:25] Sarah Listi: Sure. Did. I want to completely do it, especially when you're dealing with like Springs and tension and it's like, can be dangerous and. It's gonna take me two days probably to do what they could do in a couple hours. Yep. That is, there is value in respecting somebody else's experience. But when I've worked with them in the past, like I asked a million questions.

[00:33:45] Sarah Listi: Sure. And I, I think that that's, you know, it may not be something I'm doing day to day, but why wouldn't you want that information? You know, like curiosity is our greatest gift, right? Like, yeah. We're never gonna be bored.

[00:33:59] Eric Goranson: I had asked, [00:34:00] I, I Chi what was it? Six months ago, I was heading out, go run to the garage garage doors shuts.

[00:34:06] Eric Goranson: And I hear boom as the, one of the Springs let goes, you know? Oh yeah. And, and of course I looked at it and, you know, I know two people that broke their jaw with the doing garage doors and I just went, you know, Um, this is cheaper than my hospital deductible. And can I do it? Absolutely. But

[00:34:27] Sarah Listi: exactly. So it's then it's also like if you do get hurt and it takes you out of, you know, and like, I had a lot going on at the time and like with traveling and stuff and, and so one of the doors was messed up, but they were both like 15 years old.

[00:34:40] Sarah Listi: The Springs were so like, it was. It was time anyway, and we knew that. And so I had budgeted for it at some point this year to do. And so I was like, just get 'em both done at the same time, like be done, you know? Yeah. Like, and, and that way we're inconvenience seeing somebody less because this person can do this job and, you know, half the time or whatever, than if I called them out two different [00:35:00] occasions and it less work for me cuz now nobody had to be here twice.

[00:35:04] Sarah Listi: Twice. Yep. Yeah. I think it's sometimes too, we, we all forget that like, you know, all of our time is. Money mm-hmm but also like your sanity and, and like, what do you have on your plate? Like, I was like, I don't have it in my schedule to fit that in. Oh, no. You were out hanging out with me. Yeah, exactly. and then I'm leaving Saturday for LA.

[00:35:24] Sarah Listi: So like, it's like, oh my God. You know, and then I'm home for a few weeks and I'm out again. Exactly. You know, it

[00:35:30] Eric Goranson: never really ends. . Yeah. No, and that's, that's a good call because there's a lot of things I can tackle. Yeah. But that was just one of those that I'm like, you know, I'm gonna spend hours just making sure I got the right spring.

[00:35:43] Sarah Listi: Exactly. Well, and so I will say something, there are times I really don't mind. I wanna say toughen it out. Like if something like when I've rebuilt, like small mower engines and stuff like that, those are some of the best learning experiences. Oh yeah. In. [00:36:00] But in my mind too, you have to calculate the risk.

[00:36:02] Sarah Listi: Like what I was doing to it, like worse was it wasn't gonna start. Do you know what I mean? Like, I wasn't gonna lose time in my mind. What I was gaining was experience and knowledge in it. And so you could say that for the garage door thing, but Springs have heard a lot of people. Yeah. So there's a time when you're just like electricity, right?

[00:36:22] Sarah Listi: Mm-hmm just like sometimes calling in the experts and letting them do it. Makes way more sense than like, kind of beating your head against the wall. Oh yeah. You know what

[00:36:31] Eric Goranson: I mean? I mean, I, I, I have built my own race motors. I have yeah. Rebuilt transmissions doing a garage door spring technically is not that hard, but I just looked at it went, yeah, I'm not gonna get hurt doing this, that today.

[00:36:44] Eric Goranson: I just don't have

[00:36:45] Sarah Listi: the time for that. You know what it is too. You're gonna laugh. But like I hate being on ladders for like long periods of time. So that is part of my consideration is like, Standing up there with your arms above your head for like hours. I mean, because again, it's [00:37:00] not something I'm an expert in I'm like, what is that gonna do the rest of the week when I have to get work done?

[00:37:04] Sarah Listi: Even if I could find the time to physically do yeah. What I was gonna, yeah. It just, you have to weigh all that out. And I think that's, that's also. You know, it's the joke of the year of like, or the century, if you will, that, like, I bet if you walk in your house, you've got things that are 90% done. That is me to the end degree.

[00:37:23] Sarah Listi: cause sometimes like deadlines for other people, whether it's a brand or whether it's just a, a individual purchasing a product, um, They have to come first. So like you, you know, yes. My pantry doesn't have outlet covers on it still a year later. Um,

[00:37:41] Eric Goranson: you, you probably talked to Julie enough that she's the same thing.

[00:37:44] Eric Goranson: Yeah. It's like, you're right. The base trim's not done in my living room. Cause I'm gonna film that soon. I gotta film that and that's why it's

[00:37:50] Sarah Listi: not done. I'm gonna get right to it. Yeah. Yeah. Same. So it's on the list. yeah. And I think it's, it's said like we're in any, like I would say. [00:38:00] Trade of any sort, even if you went into like hair and nails, even like, let's just switch it up just to, you know, give some perspective.

[00:38:07] Sarah Listi: I mean, how many people have ever like done your hair or your nails that are like, they just got fresh? You know what I mean? Like, yeah. Like the reality is like when you do it every day, It's easy to like, put your stuff aside, you know?

[00:38:20] Eric Goranson: So yeah, legitimately, you know, I've done what, 29, 30 years in kitchen of bath design and last year, yeah.

[00:38:27] Eric Goranson: Was the first time I actually did my own kitchen to the

[00:38:30] Sarah Listi: studs. That's so crazy. I'm I'm gonna be doing that soon. Um, but I have a load bearing wall and woo. I know, super fun. So we're gonna have to get really creative on that. That's one that you bring in a structural engineer because it's a two story.

[00:38:43] Sarah Listi: How, yeah. Anyway. Yeah, you gotta do all that. Obviously we don't take chance. You

[00:38:47] Eric Goranson: help design though. Let's let's chat. Cuz I still have

[00:38:50] Sarah Listi: my program. Oh's it's gonna be fun. Yeah. It's gonna be super fun cuz like the, I joked about the pantry just now, but um, that used to be a breezeway in my house and we enclosed it.

[00:38:59] Sarah Listi: Like I raised the [00:39:00] slab to be the same level. And enclosed it. So now I have this amazing 120 square foot pantry. So like right. Which I love to cook and bake. So like, it was a big deal and ours is like super tiny. And I was like, this is so weird that this house, this size has that, but that pantry will now end up being part of the kitchen.

[00:39:19] Sarah Listi: So there's gonna be a big, yeah. And our house is laid out funny. It's like the late nineties layout where it. Semi-open semi not they weren't sure what they wanted to do. Lots of rounded corners on

[00:39:31] Eric Goranson: the dry. Yeah. I was gonna say rounded corners, everywhere, archways, all that stuff. Oh yeah. The

[00:39:35] Sarah Listi: arches that aren't, not for me.

[00:39:38] Sarah Listi: Yeah. Yeah. So I it's gonna be a fun one. I just, honestly, you know, there's only so many hours in the day. I keep telling Matt I'm like, God, I gotta get to this kitchen. But it's who knows, but yeah, when I do, you're like the first person. Yeah. Let's chat about that. Yeah. And actually I was, when I was at IWF, which was a international woodworking fair.

[00:39:59] Sarah Listi: [00:40:00] Yeah. I walked through like the cabinetry section and was talking a little bit to rev shelf. You've heard of them.

[00:40:07] Eric Goranson: Oh yeah. Know them. Well, I know all those guys really well,

[00:40:09] Sarah Listi: so. Some of the creativity in these like inner cabinet workings. I was like, you have literally like a knife block. Under the, like, I was like, this gives me so much inspiration.

[00:40:24] Sarah Listi: so like

[00:40:24] Eric Goranson: I have the, yeah, I have the powered trashcan. So when, um, okay. So I, you can bump your knee up against it and it pushes the trashcan out. It's the bloom, uh, you know, their reverse system there. So it's just touch,

[00:40:36] Sarah Listi: you know, we've probably all seen at some point, like, you know how somebody has the mixer in the bottom cabinet and they pull it up.

[00:40:42] Sarah Listi: So I thought that was, as far as this tech has gone wrong again, like I was amazed, I was like, okay. And I didn't really spend a lot of time at the booth either. I just was like, okay. Okay. Okay. I mean, I was. Yeah. Like I was like, I, now I'm [00:41:00] gonna make my kitchen three times as big mm-hmm. Cause I want all of these cabinetry options and I can

[00:41:04] Eric Goranson: tell you, I can help you navigate that.

[00:41:06] Eric Goranson: Cuz some of those things are super cool. Yeah. And some of 'em suck enough that you go, oh, this is awesome. And then two months later it's corner the garage. Cuz you went now I'm not gonna do this. Yeah. I'll help

[00:41:16] Sarah Listi: you navigate that. Yeah, that would be good. Cuz honestly that would be a, that would be such a bummer if.

[00:41:22] Sarah Listi: All that extra labor time work energy went into it. And then it was like, yeah, I'm gonna redo our, uh, master bedroom too. Cool. Uh, the bathroom, sorry, said bedroom. Bathroom. Yeah, master bathroom. Uh, but I wanna do some cool cabinetry in there, but I'm gonna build those from the ground up. You are, of course I am in a kitchen.

[00:41:43] Sarah Listi: I'll be honest. I may not build those cabinetry cabinets from the ground up and that's probably been why I haven't done. For no other reason then to get enough cabinets, like where would I store them once they're assembled

[00:41:55] Eric Goranson: I used to run cabinet shops. It is so much

[00:41:58] Sarah Listi: work. Yeah. Where it's [00:42:00] like a few vanities in smaller cabinets.

[00:42:02] Sarah Listi: No problem. That's fine. But I don't have the space. I'd have to like rent a U-Haul the storm short term. I don't know. I, yeah, it wouldn't, I don't know that it would be logically sensical. Yeah. Whereas if you go through a manufacturer, like you order it in advance and then it gets in and shows up, gets done in a day or two

[00:42:18] Sarah Listi: Yeah. It's kinda, you know, I get that, you know, you gotta weigh it, you gotta weigh it. Sometimes that sometimes things make sense. Even, even if you have the skill, you gotta make sense of it.

[00:42:28] Eric Goranson: oh, I could totally build my own cabinets. Did I do that? No, I just, I, I didn't, I mean, I've done

[00:42:33] Sarah Listi: it. Like I did it in my laundry room.

[00:42:35] Sarah Listi: I did it in my pantry and like there's, I mean, of course, like I did it in the kids' bathrooms, but like, Again scale. Yeah. And if they were open and didn't have doors or weren't painted for six months, like it was okay. Whereas your kitchen, you need that functional pretty quickly.

[00:42:52] Eric Goranson: Absolutely. It's gotta be tough too, cuz it's gonna.

[00:42:55] Eric Goranson: You know, the bathroom gets a different wear than, than, you know, your kitchen [00:43:00] does.

[00:43:00] Sarah Listi: So that's honestly why I really haven't done it is cuz like I just don't know if I can handle the chaos of like, and being somebody who's worked in people's homes like that is that's going through that. Like I don't envy them and I think it's important to always.

[00:43:14] Sarah Listi: You know, put yourself in another person's position, cuz like, sure. That's hard. It's hard to have your house upended like that. Oh. Especially when you have kids and like we have two dogs and like yeah. You know, it's a lot. Um, but yeah, I, I, I dread it. Even being somebody who was gonna be doing the most of it myself.

[00:43:36] Sarah Listi: You

[00:43:36] Eric Goranson: know what I mean? Yeah. No, it's, it's not fun. I gotta ask you. So you and I weren't in the same class, but we got to go play with metal this last

[00:43:43] Sarah Listi: week. The blacksmith thing living. Yeah. Wasn't that fun. It was like the coolest thing. I cannot even imagine how. Overwhelming. It had to be like for the, the owner of that shop.

[00:43:55] Sarah Listi: Cause, oh, there's a lot of people there, right? Yeah. Um, dude, that [00:44:00] was the first for me. I've never done it. It's something I've always wanted to do. Yep. So I could have just, I wish I could have slowed down and just like taken in more of it, but it was the coolest thing ever, like keen, really working

[00:44:12] Eric Goranson: with metal.

[00:44:13] Eric Goranson: So that's my, that's my medium. Okay. I actually took auto body class in high school and college, so I could do my own hot rod stuff. So, oh, that's bad me working with metal English wheel, that kind of stuff. And I had not used a power hammer like that in she's 20 years, but I got on and the kid looks over me.

[00:44:32] Eric Goranson: He goes, You know, the kid with the curly hair and there goes, you've done this before. I'm like, it's been a lot of

[00:44:37] Sarah Listi: years. And that thing was that's intimidating. That thing was serious. So I don't know if you knew, like, I, I obviously had, uh, I mean, not that everybody knew, but I had like a terrible migraine walking into it.

[00:44:49] Sarah Listi: Oh, yes, that's right. I forgot about that. So like power hammer plus migraine. It was hot. I was like, I'm struggling, but I'm gonna enjoy every moment of this. [00:45:00] Like it was, I mean, it was unreal to be a part of that. And, and like I said, they, um, You know, keen really thought that through and like what a lot of us would really enjoy.

[00:45:09] Sarah Listi: So I didn't realize you'd done so much metal work in your history cuz now it makes me feel kinda like now you need to come and build some, uh, furniture with me a little bit. Yeah,

[00:45:18] Eric Goranson: absolutely. Mix up. That'd be great

[00:45:20] Sarah Listi: time. Yeah. Right. And now I wanna learn more metal from you, bud. Oh yeah.

[00:45:24] Eric Goranson: It's fun. I mean it's uh, it's, it's great.

[00:45:26] Eric Goranson: But uh, yeah, that was. To describe what these power hammers are. You might have seen 'em, you know, on TV shows and some of the automotive stuff, but think of a, a two ton big. Rod coming down that is over and over, over and over. Just junk, junk, junk. Yeah. It's junk. It's

[00:45:47] Sarah Listi: funny building. It's funny. Cause they were massive.

[00:45:50] Sarah Listi: Like I don't think, I really thought too hard about how that stuff, you know, came to be. Um, but yeah, I mean they were massive and they were loud and like these [00:46:00] things were like, I mean, I thought like my band saw was pretty big I have a big band saw that one was like, those power hammers were like the footprint, the sheer size was incredible.

[00:46:13] Sarah Listi: And the amount of force they hit with was absolutely shocking. Like. I don't think anything. Yeah. I mean, and then too, like the kil that he was heating everything in first, like I have a kiln for pottery again. Yeah. It's just me trying to always do everything. You're not

[00:46:30] Eric Goranson: grabbing stuff out of it when it's on and on.

[00:46:31] Eric Goranson: No, right. no,

[00:46:34] Sarah Listi: no. I was like, oh my God, this dude's hand. I can't believe I, I have no idea how I, I can only imagine some of the

[00:46:40] Eric Goranson: burns HES out over here, six inches away from the front of that thing. And he's grabbing hot metal outta that. And it's just like, Wow.

[00:46:46] Sarah Listi: But if you're doing it every day, like the thing is, it's funny, cuz it's like a table saw when you're doing it every day.

[00:46:51] Sarah Listi: Right? Like your experience and like that's where the safety police sometimes I'm like, oh my God experience is really very relevant. Flip [00:47:00] side. We all, all could be safer, no matter how much you're, you know what I mean? Like everybody should always do the best they can to avoid injury. But I was absolutely like, holy crap.

[00:47:13] Sarah Listi: This dude's gonna, I'm gonna lose. We're gonna, somebody's gonna lose a hand. You know what I mean? Like I couldn't believe. Yeah.

[00:47:19] Eric Goranson: Yeah. That was one of the most intimidating tools. The first time you go up to it. Yes. And you're gonna push down on that lever. Yeah, there, there is an intimidation factor that is very high, more so than most tools.

[00:47:32] Sarah Listi: Yes. And, you know, I don't know if you saw this, but like there was like, uh, part of the machine. So obviously it's, it's massive. Yeah. And it was very, obviously there had been like recently greased, which is great. Cuz you could see like grease coming out of the bearings and like, I mean, it was just like.

[00:47:49] Sarah Listi: What in the world am I doing? I mean, it was so neat. like, I could, I wish I had had chance to just like walk around and look at all the other tools. Cause as much as like, that is not something we see all [00:48:00] every day. Yeah. He also had like belt Sanders and like, I mean, where I'm like, this is so RA

[00:48:06] Eric Goranson: like, oh, I, I, I, you could have left me in there for a week and I wouldn't have come out.

[00:48:11] Eric Goranson: You know what I mean? I know. And

[00:48:11] Sarah Listi: you know, for as much was going on in that shop, I will say you could tell that the man who owned it. He'd been doing it forever. He probably has never, he's probably been in that same location for a long time. Yeah.

[00:48:23] Eric Goranson: But it was, did you notice the stamps on some of those machines, the, what, the stamps, where they were made Uhuh?

[00:48:30] Eric Goranson: So there's one of those big, uh, hammers there had the C, C P made in us, Sr. It was a piece of Russian government machine and I'm like, Not sure how that meant it outta the country, but it's pretty cool. No, he,

[00:48:47] Sarah Listi: but he was

[00:48:47] Eric Goranson: Russian wasn't he? Yeah, I think he was, but it was like, huh. He had friends in high places to get that out and you know,

[00:48:54] Sarah Listi: I didn't even realize that, like, that's kind of that's now I wanna feel like we should go back and ask questions.

[00:48:59] Sarah Listi: [00:49:00] Yeah. I'll send

[00:49:00] Eric Goranson: you the picture, took a picture of the tag. I took a picture of the day cause I was like, oh, that's interesting. That's

[00:49:05] Sarah Listi: yeah, no, no kidding. Like that's God, that's like a Relic too. Like that's. Wow. I mean, it was, it was, uh, it was funny though, cuz looking around the shop as, as chaotic as it was.

[00:49:18] Sarah Listi: Like you could tell. It was like really well organized mm-hmm and I like really enjoy walking into a shop that I always kind of get like, roll my eyes a little bit. When you see somebody shop like super meticulous and like you're woodworker, but there's not a speck of dust or like nothing's out on like, cuz that's not come on.

[00:49:33] Sarah Listi: You're not working in there then. Right. That's not real estate.

[00:49:36] Eric Goranson: Look at my chaos behind me. I mean, it's, you know, stuff

[00:49:39] Sarah Listi: thrown up on the wall, you know? Yeah. Like if it's too organized, I'm kind of like. Eh, eh, right. uh, but I, I loved that. Like you could tell it was organized, but used, do you know what I mean?

[00:49:52] Sarah Listi: Yeah. Like there's something about that energy that, that was really like palpable. And I don't know, I get a kick outta that. I love stuff [00:50:00] like that.

[00:50:00] Eric Goranson: Yeah. You could see what the purpose was for everything and that everything had been cared for well used, but

[00:50:07] Sarah Listi: cared for definitely. Oh yeah, definitely. I mean, some of that stuff was like, Had to be 20, 30, 40 years old, like ha easy.

[00:50:14] Sarah Listi: Yeah. Um, but everything had a place and like there was a, a method to the madness, if you will. Like, I mean, it was, it was interesting. It would, it would've been cool to like have spent more time exploring, you know? Yeah. I

[00:50:27] Eric Goranson: gotta go back there and I'm gonna take one of his knife classes. I've gotta do that.

[00:50:30] Eric Goranson: Cuz I'm, I'm curious to see do it. Gotta do it. It'd be a good TV segment, if anything.

[00:50:35] Sarah Listi: Yeah. Well, and I'm sure too, when. It's probably even cooler when, you know, it's only a couple people or if you could ever do like a private one on one, like, cuz I feel like there's you could tell that he had so much information in his head.

[00:50:49] Sarah Listi: You know what I mean?

[00:50:50] Eric Goranson: He was trying to rush 20 people to build P bars with a bent end on it like a crowbar for, it was very three hours. [00:51:00] You know what I mean? It was pretty cool considering.

[00:51:03] Sarah Listi: Yeah, it would, no, I mean, of course. And that was what was neat. It was like, God, this was, I don't think I realized how much went into it cuz when they were like, oh, we're gonna be doing this.

[00:51:11] Sarah Listi: And I'm like, I'm thinking we're gonna make like a key chain. You know what I mean? I mean, I didn't really ask. Right. Like, but I would've never imagined he would've even tried to take that on. That had to be a lot. And it was, I mean the coolest thing, like yeah, you'll have to let me know how the knife close class goes, cuz like I wanna go make my own hammer really bad.

[00:51:30] Sarah Listi: There you go. right. Wouldn't that be dope?

[00:51:33] Eric Goranson: That would be super fun. That would be super fun. Put your logo on the

[00:51:37] Sarah Listi: side of it. Yeah, that was funny. Cause yeah, right. Like that would be so rad. There you go. There you go. Was good time. That was a fun

[00:51:45] Eric Goranson: event. That was a lot of fun. That was a lot of fun. Well, Sarah, we are running out of time, so we gotta make sure that we send people your way here.

[00:51:55] Eric Goranson: Okay. So, uh, how can everybody track you

[00:51:57] Sarah Listi: down? Oh, well, that's easy. [00:52:00] So, uh, I tool girls garage.com is my blog, but then of course you can always find me on any social media platform, Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, et cetera. Um, at tool girls garage or Sarah list.

[00:52:11] Eric Goranson: You got it. And the TV show over on

[00:52:14] Sarah Listi: Roku. Oh yes, of course.

[00:52:15] Sarah Listi: Wow. I'm really bad at this. Aren't I see the TV show. The TV show. I am the host, uh, with my co-host Macel on season two of murder house flip. You can find that on Roku channel and also on the Roku website. Check it out. It

[00:52:32] Eric Goranson: gets the around the house seat live approval. So it is super cool. Oh,

[00:52:36] Sarah Listi: Hey, I'll take that.

[00:52:37] Sarah Listi: That's like a million pats on the back.

[00:52:41] Eric Goranson: awesome. Thanks for

[00:52:42] Sarah Listi: coming on today, Sarah. No, thanks. Anytime you need to fill in. I'm I'm your girl.

[00:52:46] Eric Goranson: Uh, we'll be doing it again. I'm Eric G and you've been listening to. Around the House!